From guy like Luther Vandross to guys like Trey Songz

[IGOTGAME]

How far has the genre fell off. It is truly sad. Are there really no good singers in this generation?

[SilkkTheShocker]

I like both, but give me Keith Sweat over both of those guys.

[IGOTGAME]

I like both, but give me Keith Sweat over both of those guys.
You trollin?

[Clippersfan86]

Even if you just go back to the 90's it's pathetic. Blackstreet, Boys 2 Men, Dru Hill, 112? I know those are R&B groups but take ANY singer from any of these groups and pit them against current R&B singers and the current ones get absolutely murdered. Luther Vandross, Al Green, Smokey Robinson, Marvin Gaye etc would make them look even worse.

[IGOTGAME]

Even if you just go back to the 90's it's pathetic. Blackstreet, Boys 2 Men, Dru Hill, 112? I know those are R&B groups but take ANY singer from any of these groups and pit them against current R&B singers and the current ones get absolutely murdered. Luther Vandross, Al Green, Smokey Robinson, Marvin Gaye etc would make them look even worse.
Yeah. This generation.should ashamed.of.their.singers Just SPA(shit, pure shit)

[SilkkTheShocker]

You trollin?


Not a Keith Sweat fan? The guy is very underrated. I like Luther and even Trey Songz a lot, but Sweat has always been my favorite.

[IGOTGAME]

Not a Keith Sweat fan? The guy is very underrated. I like Luther and even Trey Songz a lot, but Sweat has always been my favorite.
I don't really consider Test Songs a r&b singet.

I like Keith Sweat just think he is a few levels apart from Luther.

[Kensta]

Back then the R&B guys used to sing about real love. These days it's all about money, cars, hoes.

[B-Low]

The problem I've found with R&B is that if you look back, the stars used to be adults. Grown people who had been through things, experienced love, had things to sing about

Now it's all people between 16-21 (at least when they start out) and they got nothing to sing about but sex because they don't know much about real love.

It's kinda like when you have threads on ISH about relationships. Most of the posters here now are 16-20 and all they'll bring up is the sex. You go to the older posters and they talk about the deeper aspects of relationships. It's more of an age thing than a "that era vs. this era" thing.

[IGOTGAME]

The problem I've found with R&B is that if you look back, the stars used to be adults. Grown people who had been through things, experienced love, had things to sing about

Now it's all people between 16-21 (at least when they start out) and they got nothing to sing about but sex because they don't know much about real love.

It's kinda like when you have threads on ISH about relationships. Most of the posters here now are 16-20 and all they'll bring up is the sex. You go to the older posters and they talk about the deeper aspects of relationships. It's more of an age thing than a "that era vs. this era" thing.
That's true. However, thir are no true vocal talents in this generation. Imo that is the biggest difference...no matter what Trey Songz experiences etc...he ain't no Luther or marvin.

[JaggerCommaMick]

That's true. However, thir are no true vocal talents in this generation. Imo that is the biggest difference...no matter what Trey Songz experiences etc...he ain't no Luther or marvin.


Video killed the radio star, mate, and then digital music came and spit on its grave. Records don't sell. Someone who just stands there and sings aint gonna make any money, no matter how good they are.

Companies need young, attractive, and trendy in order to get eyeballs on videos. That's how they make money these days chap. It aint from shippin no bloody units, its from ad revenue on MTV, BET, Youtube. It literally don't even matter what the music sounds like. Just so long as there's a cornball guy wearing whatever's trendy, some hot lookin broads and some special affects. The days of fame requiring talent are over, mate. It's 100% about marketing, branding, and bombarding an idiotic public with nonsense. Consumers are dumb, mate. It aint no different than voters. The base of public is made up of losers. You can blame people at the top like record executives, or mitt romney, but you're just making excuses for the fact that 90% of people have no taste, no talent, no brains, no passion, no nothin, they're just flat out bums that aint never take any action for themselves. People could demand better music, sure, but that would mean turning away from what's popular, and they aint got the guts to do it. People could have higher standards and stronger principles than what politicians tell them they should have, but they never do. They pass the buck, the blame the next guy, they cry foul, they claim discrimination, it's always "the system" or "the media" or "the this, that, the other". When is it ever them? When are we ever gonna blame people for the shit they get themselves into, rather than some ambiguous external force like "the corporations" or "wall street".

Glad I aint livin permanently in the United States of America. Or should I say the Divided Cluster**** of America.

[L.Kizzle]

The problem I've found with R&B is that if you look back, the stars used to be adults. Grown people who had been through things, experienced love, had things to sing about

Now it's all people between 16-21 (at least when they start out) and they got nothing to sing about but sex because they don't know much about real love.

It's kinda like when you have threads on ISH about relationships. Most of the posters here now are 16-20 and all they'll bring up is the sex. You go to the older posters and they talk about the deeper aspects of relationships. It's more of an age thing than a "that era vs. this era" thing.
A lot of R7B singers started young. The Jacksons, Prince, James Brown, Stevie wonder, Gaye, ect. All started in either late teens (or pree teen for Jacksons and Stevie) or early 20s.

[JaggerCommaMick]

A lot of R7B singers started young. The Jacksons, Prince, James Brown, Stevie wonder, Gaye, ect. All started in either late teens (or pree teen for Jacksons and Stevie) or early 20s.


True, mate, but they were discovered because of their talents.

Chaps like Justin Bieber and Chris Brown are 'discovered' as good looking and marketable. Plain and simple.

[senelcoolidge]

Not just music but the quality of almost everything has fallen off. Is it just laziness or the dumbing down of society. I love 70's..especially early 70's late 60's R&B. Performers actually really sang and many even played their own instruments. These people were talented. Also songs/lyrics had substance. It was not about sex. Songs were about love, relationships, social issues..real stuff.
Delfonics
Stylistics
OJay's
Chi-lites
many more..

[andgar923]

The problem I've found with R&B is that if you look back, the stars used to be adults. Grown people who had been through things, experienced love, had things to sing about

Now it's all people between 16-21 (at least when they start out) and they got nothing to sing about but sex because they don't know much about real love.

It's kinda like when you have threads on ISH about relationships. Most of the posters here now are 16-20 and all they'll bring up is the sex. You go to the older posters and they talk about the deeper aspects of relationships. It's more of an age thing than a "that era vs. this era" thing.

I agree but disagree.

Singers back then were around the same age for the most part.

[L.Kizzle]

I agree but disagree.

Singers back then were around the same age for the most part.
You had to be devopled back then. Take the Jackson 5. They'd been performing for years at the Apollo Theater and what not opening for the likes of Superstars like James Brown, Temptations, Etta James years before thry got signed to Motown.

They were seasoned veterans before they even got a deal.

With a guy like Chris Brown or Trey Songz. Those dudes started out asa rappers, they weren;t even singers 6-7 years ago.

[IGOTGAME]

Trey Songz doesn't have vocal talent though. He could be developed from birth and it wouldnt matter.

[christian1923]

John legend
Musiq Soulchild
Lyfe Jennings
Maxwell

They're all good

[christian1923]

Trey Songz doesn't have vocal talent though. He could be developed from birth and it wouldnt matter.
How does he not have talent? You know he has other songs that don't make the radio.

[RaininTwos]

:rolleyes:

Ne-Yo
Miguel
Maxwell
BJ the Chicago Kid

[tmacattack33]

I don't know about you, but i really like Frank Ocean and Miguel.

Those two are on another level than that teeny bopper Trey Songz.

[christian1923]

I don't know about you, but i really like Frank Ocean and Miguel.

Those two are on another level than that teeny bopper Trey Songz.
You know frank ocean is gay right? :no: :no:

[IGOTGAME]

How does he not have talent? You know he has other songs that don't make the radio.
Compared to Luther and Marvin and many many others he isnt anything special or even good. He is an average singer.

[L.Kizzle]

:rolleyes:

Ne-Yo
Miguel
Maxwell
BJ the Chicago Kid
Dudes voice is terrible and weak. He is creative though, but vocally ... pass.

[IGOTGAME]

:rolleyes:

Ne-Yo
Miguel
Maxwell
BJ the Chicago Kid
Lol at pretending Begin can sing. Lil at pretending Maxwell is this generation.

[Quizno]

The Weeknd >> your list

and you probably haven't even really listened to trey songz. you've just heard a couple overplayed songs on the radio and drew your opinion there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVvOYtdq_pw tell me he can't sing

[KDTrey5]

trey songz > ur shiit

[L.Kizzle]

The Weeknd >> your list

and you probably haven't even really listened to trey songz. you've just heard a couple overplayed songs on the radio and drew your opinion there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVvOYtdq_pw tell me he can't sing
He can't, he has no power or depth to his voice. Like a whisper.

Lloyd >>> Trey

[IGOTGAME]

The Weeknd >> your list

and you probably haven't even really listened to trey songz. you've just heard a couple overplayed songs on the radio and drew your opinion there. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVvOYtdq_pw tell me he can't sing

i know the weeknd and ive heard trey songz live. compared to top singers of generations past, trey songz cant sing.

lol @ people having no concept of good vocals. Trey Songz can't sing...compared to the top vocalists of the last generation his vocals would be very bad.

[Quizno]

i know the weeknd and ive heard trey songz live. compared to top singers of generations past, trey songz cant sing.

lol @ people having no concept of good vocals.
lol @ people who can't understand that other people have different musical preferences

[IGOTGAME]

lol @ people who can't understand that other people have different musical preferences

then articulate what makes Trey Songz a talented vocalist. Pls grace me with your knowledge.

I can't help that you have a preference for mediocre singers who are mixed to hell with no range or control. But guess what, he can go falsetto...he is talented!!!!

When you take away all the production and put him live against good singers of the past, guy can't sing. Just like others dudes couldn't sing...last flavor of the month Dream, can't sing....

[Clippersfan86]

Frankie J is amazing but can't break into mainstream too much because he doesn't sing about sex. In other words real music isnt really compatable with this generation. People don't embrace it anymore.

[IGOTGAME]

Frankie J is amazing but can't break into mainstream too much because he doesn't sing about sex. In other words real music isnt really compatable with this generation. People don't embrace it anymore.

Frankie J is not amazing...lets get real. He sings ok but amazing he is not.

lol @ other generations not singing about sex.

I know I'm coming off as bitter but I've realized that their is a good chance that good male vocalists just may not put out music for a bit. Or at least their won't be a lot of it. My music library(of this type) may be almost complete.

[L.Kizzle]

Frankie J is not amazing...lets get real. He sings ok but amazing he is not.

lol @ other generations not singing about sex.

I know I'm coming off as bitter but I've realized that their is a good chance that good male vocalists just may not put out music for a bit. Or at least their won't be a lot of it. My music library(of this type) may be almost complete.
I think he mean just straight up blatant sex.

Lol at I Invented Sex being released in 1967 sung by Otis Redding. They were wizards at songwriting and could hide a song but we knew what they were singing about.

Songs like Little Red Corvette come to mind.

[IGOTGAME]

I think he mean just straight up blatant sex.

Lol at I Invented Sex being released in 1967 sung by Otis Redding. They were wizards at songwriting and could hide a song but we knew what they were singing about.

Songs like Little Red Corvette come to mind.

If you can sing than you can sing. Great singers will have a following if they sing about love. This is tried and true. If ugly as Luther was reincarnated at age 25 and someone gave him a deal and some good lyrics than he would put out great music and it would sell. Just how it works.

[Clippersfan86]

Lizzle is right. I mean straight up, blatant sex being 50 percent of your music. Obviously guys like Gaye sang about sex but they did it in a less trashy way and it didn't dominate their music quite as much. Frankie J IMO is an amazing singer, didn't say he was Marvin Gaye or something. Just extremely underrated and more talented than most vocalists if not all in the R&B mainstream right now.

We have the same basic opinion but the reasoning is different for me. I don't think the problem is people literally don't have a voice the way you're arguing. I think it's more that what producers unfortunately look for now and the general population wants to hear, is crap. Same reason the post game in the NBA has become a lost art. It's not because players literally can't play the post but rather because it's not being sought after by coaches as much or being taught.

[rhythmic]

Is Trey Songz really that bad?
I think he's alright, bad example.

[L.Kizzle]

[QUOTE=rhythmic

[andgar923]

You had to be devopled back then. Take the Jackson 5. They'd been performing for years at the Apollo Theater and what not opening for the likes of Superstars like James Brown, Temptations, Etta James years before thry got signed to Motown.

They were seasoned veterans before they even got a deal.

With a guy like Chris Brown or Trey Songz. Those dudes started out asa rappers, they weren;t even singers 6-7 years ago.

I agree.

[andgar923]

99% of the new school names being dropped don't come close to past artists.

They're a product of Pro Tools and AutoTune, no real singing abilities worth comparing to the past artists. The average singer from the past eras would murder the today's top singers.

[IGOTGAME]

99% of the new school names being dropped don't come close to past artists.

They're a product of Pro Tools and AutoTune, no real singing abilities worth comparing to the past artists. The average singer from the past eras would murder the today's top singers.
Sad part is these kids can't see the difference.

[L.Kizzle]

99% of the new school names being dropped don't come close to past artists.

They're a product of Pro Tools and AutoTune, no real singing abilities worth comparing to the past artists. The average singer from the past eras would murder the today's top singers.
2nd and 3rd tier artist from back then like Dee CLark, Major Lance, Joe Simon, Jermaine Jackson, Peobo Bryson, Kenny Baltimore, ect would would dominate

[rhythmic]

He's a bad example alright. I hope young R&B singers aren't looking up too him.

He would last in the 50s-early 90s.

It's always easy to praise old school artists to boost up your own music cred.
Next time, tell me why you think Songz is a bad artist.

There are far better examples out there (of bad singers) in the R&B genre.

[L.Kizzle]

[QUOTE=rhythmic

[andgar923]

I think he mean just straight up blatant sex.

Lol at I Invented Sex being released in 1967 sung by Otis Redding. They were wizards at songwriting and could hide a song but we knew what they were singing about.

Songs like Little Red Corvette come to mind.

Yeah, the songwriting has taken a huge hit. I don't even wanna dig up some of today's lyrics. But to be fair, shit started going down hill in the 90s when the hip hop/r&b collaborations were in full effect. Standards started to go down hill after that, and now we have this.

I get more soul from some Jewish white dudes from Akron then 99% of r&b singers today.

[RaininTwos]

You'll have to excuse my last post, I was lazy plus out and about. I do want to say a couple things to the OP however...the very title of this thread shows that you aren't even taking the era comparison seriously. I like Trey Songz, I really do, but would I ever but him in the same sentence as Marvin? Only in borderline troll threads like this.

First of I do understand that R&B is isn't exactly as it's peak as of now but seriously, anyone who says that Miguel and a host of other professional singers can't sing when we can easily pull up video evidence of live performances should be shot. No questions asked. That's beyond ignorant to either say some one can't sing when they can, or dismiss their abilities by saying that they can't sing like Marvin.

Marvin can only sing like Marvin. Michael can only sing like Michael. Otis does Otis. Which one is better? I couldn't even begin to tell you because I think they're all great it just depends on preference.



99% of the new school names being dropped don't come close to past artists.

They're a product of Pro Tools and AutoTune, no real singing abilities worth comparing to the past artists. The average singer from the past eras would murder the today's top singers.

This is exactly why you're on my ignore list. Him and Lkizzle say the most retarded things in these threads.

The Weeknd is one of the greatest singers that I've ever heard and there are videos of him singing all over the place...just check it out.

[Dasher]

I liked "I Gotta Make It", the song and album. I was also fond of the track "Store Run". It is a blatant sex track, but it has a nice streak of humor in it.

Trey could have been a "better" artist, but the market rejected his blue collar effort "I Gotta Make It" while accepting his hook work with Gucci Mane, Twista, and Plies. The people made Trey into what he has become.

I would say that his "trashness" is being overstated. He is a solid balladeer, and when he tries, he can write a good song.

I think we sometimes overrate singers of the past. When an artist of our generation makes a mistake it is on tape. When artists of the past had a bad show, which they did, only people in that particular town saw it.

I will also say that people seem to be judging Mr. Songz mostly from his singles. At least that is the feeling I am getting from this thread.

Also Kizzle, Trey has a much better voice than Jermaine Jackson.

[Dasher]

I will also add that artists like The Foreign Exchange, ZO!(Not a vocalist), Raheem DeVaughn and others seem to be absent from people's lists and point to them not really investigating the current crop of R&B talent.

[rhythmic]

Listen to his music, that's why. I don't even consider him an R&B artist. He sings over hip-hop beats. "I Only Came Here For the Biches and the Drinks" is his latest single with TI. Take Trey off and it could easily be a hip hop song.

I think I liked one song by him, one of his early song. "Gotta Go"

Digitilization, internet and P2P networks ruined the music industry. Why can't people comprehend that and stop critisizing the artists?

Record labels have a lot more control over artists these days because the margins have been cut down so much due to piracy. It's very hard to get a record label with complete autonomy as a song-writer. They literally dictate everything the artist does and even hire personal consultants who guide artists on how to make the most money because the industry is severely saturated. I did a research paper on the industry in my strategic management class a year ago so I really have a good insight on how much less money is out there for artists.

It's really unfair to call artists today "sellouts" just because they are trying to maximize profits. Blame piracy not the artists, everyone are out there to make money and the most popular music to make these days are for the club scene which is why so many of you are complaining.

Just to give you an idea, artists lost over 40% in profit margin since 1998. They made literally 50% of the profits from their record label, now they're lucky to make 15%. No venture capitalist will touch them either, so their only real option is to look for a record label and relinquish full control. At the end of the day, the artist is the puppet that wants to make a buck. Again, put yourself in their shoes and you'll understand why the music has been crap.

Trey Songz is a talented artist with good vocals. Yes most of the lyrics are targetted towards the "night life" scene but that really isn't the artist's fault.

[L.Kizzle]

You'll have to excuse my last post, I was lazy plus out and about. I do want to say a couple things to the OP however...the very title of this thread shows that you aren't even taking the era comparison seriously. I like Trey Songz, I really do, but would I ever but him in the same sentence as Marvin? Only in borderline troll threads like this.

First of I do understand that R&B is isn't exactly as it's peak as of now but seriously, anyone who says that Miguel and a host of other professional singers can't sing when we can easily pull up video evidence of live performances should be shot. No questions asked. That's beyond ignorant to either say some one can't sing when they can, or dismiss their abilities by saying that they can't sing like Marvin.

Marvin can only sing like Marvin. Michael can only sing like Michael. Otis does Otis. Which one is better? I couldn't even begin to tell you because I think they're all great it just depends on preference.




This is exactly why you're on my ignore list. Him and Lkizzle say the most retarded things in these threads.

The Weeknd is one of the greatest singers that I've ever heard and there are videos of him singing all over the place...just check it out.
When I say he can't sing, I not talking some American Idol reject from the first episode of auditions. He can rarely hold a note when he sings live. I've seen him perform live on a few Award Shows and it's nothing to write home about. He's another artist who never developed. Never devopled in the club scene working his craft. He came into the game as a songwriter (just like Ne-Yo and The-Dream.) They became R&B artist on after thoughts because the market is so weak. When your competition is T-Pain, Lloyd, Chris Brown (former rapper), Omarion (former boy band member), and J. Holiday (what happened to him) you can come out an make a name for yourself. Shouldn't be that hard.

Miguel is much better as a songwriter. I did say he was creative as a songwriter and like his arrangements.

[L.Kizzle]

I liked "I Gotta Make It", the song and album. I was also fond of the track "Store Run". It is a blatant sex track, but it has a nice streak of humor in it.

Trey could have been a "better" artist, but the market rejected his blue collar effort "I Gotta Make It" while accepting his hook work with Gucci Mane, Twista, and Plies. The people made Trey into what he has become.

I would say that his "trashness" is being overstated. He is a solid balladeer, and when he tries, he can write a good song.

I think we sometimes overrate singers of the past. When an artist of our generation makes a mistake it is on tape. When artists of the past had a bad show, which they did, only people in that particular town saw it.

I will also say that people seem to be judging Mr. Songz mostly from his singles. At least that is the feeling I am getting from this thread.

Also Kizzle, Trey has a much better voice than Jermaine Jackson.
Not sure if serious. Jermiane will song him out the room.

[L.Kizzle]

I will also add that artists like The Foreign Exchange, ZO!(Not a vocalist), Raheem DeVaughn and others seem to be absent from people's lists and point to them not really investigating the current crop of R&B talent.
Raheem is cool, but he seems to being goin the current route. He might have to if he wants to make money, sad. I remember when he first started, now he's doin tracks with rappers.

[RaininTwos]

When I say he can't sing, I not talking some American Idol reject from the first episode of auditions. He can rarely hold a note when he sings live. I've seen him perform live on a few Award Shows and it's nothing to write home about. He's another artist who never developed. Never devopled in the club scene working his craft. He came into the game as a songwriter (just like Ne-Yo and The-Dream.) They became R&B artist on after thoughts because the market is so weak. When your competition is T-Pain, Lloyd, Chris Brown (former rapper), Omarion (former boy band member), and J. Holiday (what happened to him) you can come out an make a name for yourself. Shouldn't be that hard.

Miguel is much better as a songwriter. I did say he was creative as a songwriter and like his arrangements.


Who's main competition is Lloyd,T-pain,Omarion and J.Holiday? Those people are irrelevant, stop being ridiculous.

I think that Miguel and Ne-Yo are amazing songwriters as well.

I just find it funny that if there was a thread about underrated or unknown talented R&B artists, you and others would be flipping over every rock known to man in order to seem knowledgeable about the genre, but when it comes to threads that bash this current generation, you know no one....

How is that so?

[L.Kizzle]

Who's main competition is Lloyd,T-pain,Omarion and J.Holiday? Those people are irrelevant, stop being ridiculous.

I think that Miguel and Ne-Yo are amazing songwriters as well.

I just find it funny that if there was a thread about underrated or unknown talented R&B artists, you and others would be flipping over every rock known to man in order to seem knowledgeable about the genre, but when it comes to threads that bash this current generation, you know no one....

How is that so?
Oh damn, I'm sorry. Don't forget Jeremiah. :lol

I bash it cause it's not good. I grew up on R&B and it's goin downhill.

[andgar923]

This is exactly why you're on my ignore list. Him and Lkizzle say the most retarded things in these threads.

The Weeknd is one of the greatest singers that I've ever heard and there are videos of him singing all over the place...just check it out.
I never heard of Weeknd until now.

Did a quick search, he's not as bad as the other singers mentioned in this thread, but one of the greatest you've ever heard? seriously?

Please show me what I'm missing, cause I certainly didn't hear that. He's not bad, but one of the greatest you ever heard? you must not have listened to too many artists.

[RaininTwos]

Oh damn, I'm sorry. Don't forget Jeremiah. :lol

I bash it cause it's not good. I grew up on R&B and it's goin downhill.

Elle Varner just came out with a good album last month, singing well, even playing the guitar on some tracks....

Not one thread.

[RaininTwos]

I never heard of Weeknd until now.

Did a quick search, he's not as bad as the other singers mentioned in this thread, but one of the greatest you've ever heard? seriously?

Please show me what I'm missing, cause I certainly didn't hear that. He's not bad, but one of the greatest you ever heard? you must not have listened to too many artists.

Listen to him sing Dirty Diana and tell me what you think.

http://youtu.be/FXT1oKrgq0o

[L.Kizzle]

Elle Varner just came out with a good album last month, singing well, even playing the guitar on some tracks....

Not one thread.
Don't really care for the Refill joint. Haven't listen to her album yet.

I have made threads on artist like J*Davey, Esperanza Spalding, ect.

[L.Kizzle]

Listen to him sing Dirty Diana and tell me what you think.

http://youtu.be/FXT1oKrgq0o
It's cool. You can tell it's very processed though. Lot of effects to enhance his voice. I know you will rant on that last part, but if you can't here it than you are tone def lol.

No were near Mike's version.

[RaininTwos]

It's cool. You can tell it's very processed though. Lot of effects to enhance his voice. I know you will rant on that last part, but if you can't here it than you are tone def lol.

No were near Mike's version.

In this thread we pretend that Mike's music wasn't processed.:facepalm

You guys are literally grasping at excuses here...keep it up, I have a bed that's calling me.

[L.Kizzle]

In this thread we pretend that Mike's music wasn't processed.:facepalm
Lol, we've all heard Mike live though. Lol at MJ using a voice processor.

Post the Weekend Live if you really wanna do this to yourself?

MJ vs Weekend.

:biggums:

[RaininTwos]

Lol, we've all heard Mike live though. Lol at MJ using a voice processor.

Post the Weekend Live if you really wanna do this to yourself?

MJ vs Weekend.

:biggums:

I'm not comparing MJ versus the Weeknd....I don't where you got that from.

http://bit.ly/Q6dxzv

[andgar923]

Listen to him sing Dirty Diana and tell me what you think.

http://youtu.be/FXT1oKrgq0o



His 'music' is actually interesting. I like his style and musical direction, sounds a bit more experimental.

And while he makes a noble attempt to sing like MJ, it's clear that he's struggling. There's moments in which I'm almost cringing because I can hear his voice straining hard and then there's one big moment that literally made me cringe

[RaininTwos]

that's your opinion but I find his effort damn impressive, considering MJ was like 20+ years in the game when he made Dirty Diana compared to a kid from Scarborough who hasn't even dropped one album yet.

[L.Kizzle]

I'm not comparing MJ versus the Weeknd....I don't where you got that from.

http://bit.ly/Q6dxzv
Where is the live clip? You posted that MJ cover? :confusedshrug:

[andgar923]

I apologize if I'm wrong. But I believe I may have read somewhere that Weeknd doesn't use digital manipulation. I don't feel like re-reading shit, so my bad if I'm wrong.

Because that cat definitely uses digital aid/manipulation. Anybody not hearing it needs to get the f*ck outta this thread.

Again

[L.Kizzle]

[QUOTE=andgar923]I apologize if I'm wrong. But I believe I may have read somewhere that Weeknd doesn't use digital manipulation. I don't feel like re-reading shit, so my bad if I'm wrong.

Because that cat definitely uses digital aid/manipulation. Anybody not hearing it needs to get the f*ck outta this thread.

Again

[andgar923]

that's your opinion but I find his effort damn impressive, considering MJ was like 20+ years in the game when he made Dirty Diana compared to a kid from Scarborough who hasn't even dropped one album yet.

MJ as a f*ckin young kid>>>> that dude

[RaininTwos]

You guys are dead set on comparing legends to start up singers.... so go at it.

Yet earlier in this very thread, someone was clearly bullshitting saying that singers need time to develop and blah,blah,blah....if they need the time, why aren't you giving it to them?

[L.Kizzle]

[QUOTE=andgar923]MJ as a f*ckin young kid>>>> that dude

[andgar923]

what do these threads achieve for u guys?
kill time? :confusedshrug:

F*ck I gotta go shave. Should've shaved 4 hours ago.:banghead:

[L.Kizzle]

You guys are dead set on comparing legends to start up singers.... so go at it.

Yet earlier in this very thread, someone was clearly bullshitting saying that singers need time to develop and blah,blah,blah....if they need the time, why aren't you giving it to them?
Cause that time was developed before they even make a record and get known. How can you find time to develop yourself if you already have major label contract, getting offers for features, ect? Why devopl, he already made? Not saying he can't, but most artist were developing their craft before they make it big. Goes from everyone from The Beatles, Prince, Aretha Franklin, Pharrell Williams, Raphael Saadiq, Barry White, Rick James, ect. This is not sports, there is no off season. If you take off, it's hard to come back unless you're a big star.



I can't remember what artist it was but it was a major artist and this happened a few years ago. He performed on an pre-award show like an hour before the real show takes place. That was his first live performance ever. No, not of that song, his first live performance in front of people.

[L.Kizzle]

what do these threads achieve for u guys?
Same thing BTE achieves.

[plowking]

Dudes voice is terrible and weak. He is creative though, but vocally ... pass.

Umm what?

Dude probably has some of the best range in his voice as far as high notes go, not just now, but ever as far as RnB goes. I'd be stunned if you could find me 3 male RnB artists in history who have a better higher range and falsetto.

[plowking]

[QUOTE=andgar923]MJ as a f*ckin young kid>>>> that dude

[plowking]

that's your opinion but I find his effort damn impressive, considering MJ was like 20+ years in the game when he made Dirty Diana compared to a kid from Scarborough who hasn't even dropped one album yet.

Don't bother. Its a different time now, people don't care for that type of music as much, hence such music not being released as much, since artists are looking to make money.

Look at all the facts and you'll see as far as range goes, Christina, Charice Pempengco and a few others have bigger vocal ranges compared to former RnB and soul singers of the 60's, 70's and 80's. Old heads just refuse to accept it.

[L.Kizzle]

Umm what?

Dude probably has some of the best range in his voice as far as high notes go, not just now, but ever as far as RnB goes. I'd be stunned if you could find me 3 male RnB artists in history who have a better higher range and falsetto.
Phillip Bailey
Jackie Wilson
Eddie Kendricks
Russell Tompkins of the Stylistics
El and Bobby DeBarge
Prince
Michael Jackson
Barry Gibb
Smokey Robinson
Curtis Mayfield
The cat from Cameo.
ect, ect, ect.

[plowking]

Phillip Bailey
Jackie Wilson
Eddie Kendricks
Russell Tompkins of the Stylistics
El and Bobby DeBarge
Prince
Michael Jackson
Barry Gibb
Smokey Robinson
Curtis Mayfield
The cat from Cameo.
ect, ect, ect.

A lot of those are personal preference because I've listened to enough, actually just about all those artists to know otherwise. Go listen to 'Adorn' by Miguel. You'll know the note when you hear it, and you'll see how smooth the transition between it is.

A lot of those guys have great middle registers, but Miguel is in the same category as MJ, maybe not Prince as far as upper register goes.

[L.Kizzle]

A lot of those are personal preference because I've listened to enough, actually just about all those artists to know otherwise. Go listen to 'Adorn' by Miguel. You'll know the note when you hear it, and you'll see how smooth the transition between it is.

A lot of those guys have great middle registers, but Miguel is in the same category as MJ, maybe not Prince as far as upper register goes.
I've heard Adorn plenty of times, nothin in that song screams Philip Baily in Keep Your Head.

EWF (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rhjiVVU_cs)

:coleman:

[L.Kizzle]

Adorn live, he kills.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxwzVV-w24I


I feel sorry for all these posters trapped in the past, you're truly missing out on a lot of good artists.
Thing about Miguel, I'll actually give him more chances than Trey Songz. I've seen Miguel on a Award show maybe last year and he stunk up the joint. But I like his arrangements.

Wish he sung better live, that clip was nothing special.

[Quizno]

this thread man :oldlol:

[plowking]

I've heard Adorn plenty of times, nothin in that song screams Philip Baily in Keep Your Head.

EWF (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rhjiVVU_cs)

:coleman:

I've always found his high notes to be very 'breathy' and not quite as clean.

There was a similar discussion about female RnB singers when I was posting some 1 and a half years ago, and even with proof that current singers had higher ranges and more powerful voices, old heads like yourself refused to accept it. :oldlol:

Its always the same posters that tell us that basketball back in the 70's and 80's was way better too.

[andgar923]

Umm what?

Dude probably has some of the best range in his voice as far as high notes go, not just now, but ever as far as RnB goes. I'd be stunned if you could find me 3 male RnB artists in history who have a better higher range and falsetto.

This dude can't be serious…. wow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6h0Od2F1wk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TLLcvWeiKw&list=AL94UKMTqg-9BHtqsxRVizdx9nO3NZlVaf&index=1&feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBmEEDztfjE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC4aS-0fNg4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngZh6ZSRoYg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lscp1GCjUQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_sW_WexLsg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rb5F8y5Mhw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=375vwVZ7uAs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVYxKRXDT2I&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xVYxKRXDT2I#t=108s

That's just off the top, there's plenty more lead singers for groups out there, that'll blow that dude outta the park.

[plowking]

Weren't you the guy that just talked about the 'strain' in Weeknd's voice when covering Dirty Diana, and then in half of your videos... it just so happens that none of them are as clean as Miguel.

I never said Miguel had a powerful voice. MJ's voice was quite androgynous and he didn't have the umph either, although a better lower register. Though Miguel's high notes are some of the best ever as far as male RnB goes.

[andgar923]

Weren't you the guy that just talked about the 'strain' in Weeknd's voice when covering Dirty Diana, and then in half of your videos... it just so happens that none of them are as clean as Miguel.

I never said Miguel had a powerful voice. MJ's voice was quite androgynous and he didn't have the umph either, although a better lower register. Though Miguel's high notes are some of the best ever as far as male RnB goes.

You couldn't be more wrong, show me when and where they're 'straining'. Everything is in full control, all smooth.

And is this the dude you're referring too?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFk3TZoMfRY&feature=related

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[plowking]

You couldn't be more wrong, show me when and where they're 'straining'. Everything is in full control, all smooth.

And is this the dude you're referring too?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFk3TZoMfRY&feature=related

:roll: :roll: :roll:

What are you trying to say by posting that song?

LOL, there is no point in arguing. Singers of today have shown they have similar if not better range than singers of before, and yet you refuse to accept it. Just because they make music now that you don't like, doesn't mean they aren't as talented vocally. Because, just like the previous generation, the current generation is appreciating their music, and these artists will be appreciated in the future by the oldies just like you old farts do your generation and previous ones before it.

[andgar923]

What are you trying to say by posting that song?

LOL, there is no point in arguing. Singers of today have shown they have similar if not better range than singers of before, and yet you refuse to accept it. Just because they make music now that you don't like, doesn't mean they aren't as talented vocally. Because, just like the previous generation, the current generation is appreciating their music, and these artists will be appreciated in the future by the oldies just like you old farts do your generation and previous ones before it.

What I'm trying to say is that if you're using him as an example, then you're way off.

If you posted somebody that was good, I'd be more than happy to give him props, but that shit was weak compared to the artists I mentioned.

Who has similar or better vocal range…. show me. Nobody mentioned in this thread comes close to any of the artists that Kizzle and I mentioned. I don't like their music because THEY CAN'T SING BY COMPARISON. I don't like their music because they're new, what type of shit is that? They are inferior artists that just happen to be new.

And to be honest, I don't like much of the music from my era either. Singers from the 80s and 90s aren't great for the most part. Yes there's some, but when compared to the 60s and 70s they don't stack up for the most part. As the decades continue they get worse.

Maybe YOU have the problem and have a bad ear for singers.

[andgar923]

I want some of you to post a modern singer that can come close to this man.

http://www.newrockstarphilosophy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/paul1.jpg

[IGOTGAME]

What are you trying to say by posting that song?

LOL, there is no point in arguing. Singers of today have shown they have similar if not better range than singers of before, and yet you refuse to accept it. Just because they make music now that you don't like, doesn't mean they aren't as talented vocally. Because, just like the previous generation, the current generation is appreciating their music, and these artists will be appreciated in the future by the oldies just like you old farts do your generation and previous ones before it.
Please to point me to the singers with the range and control of luther Vandross, Michael jackson, Whitney Houston, patting labelle, ron isley, otis redding and Marvin gaye. Pls do. You go guys seemed fooled by falscetto...that does not factor into range. You have to be able to hold in that key.

Just listened to Miguel, he stayed in the same key for 1.30 seconds. Kids today really don't understand vocals. Falsetto shouldn't be your only trick.

[RaininTwos]

I want some of you to post a modern singer that can come close to this man.

http://www.newrockstarphilosophy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/paul1.jpg
:biggums:

nostalgia is killing you guys



Please to point me to the singers with the range and control of luther Vandross, Michael jackson, Whitney Houston, patting labelle, ron isley, otis redding and Marvin gaye. Pls do. You go guys seemed fooled by falscetto...that does not factor into range. You have to be able to hold in that key.

Just listened to Miguel, he stayed in the same key for 1.30 seconds. Kids today really don't understand vocals. Falsetto shouldn't be your only trick.

So you have the option of taking 50 years of music and using the top .00001% as your example and if this era doesn't have anyone that matches those legends, this era sucks?

That's not fair imo.

[L.Kizzle]

Plow, post some liver performances? You can tell how good a vocalist really is by their liver work. That video posted of Miguel was meh. And Rain Two's never posted the Weekend Live.

[andgar923]

:biggums:

nostalgia is killing you guys




.
I knew you guys would take the bait.

Now post somebody from today's era that could compete with him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZFGcUU9pY4

You guys wanna talk about vocal range?

All you guys do in this thread is b*tch and complain, but have yet to show us an example of anybody that can compete. Out of the many artists that exist today NONE has been posted that comes close. Meanwhile, we're running down the list of the ones we remember, and there's even faaaaaar more.



There really isn't any comparison.

[PK3434]

I agree but disagree.

Singers back then were around the same age for the most part.

Right...talent is talent though and having substance or real feelings in your music is something that younger/modern artists just don't see as neccessary. This isn't just with r&b, but with other genres as well...look at hip-hop..a few years ago when someone would bash an "artist" like Soulja Boy they would recieve responses like "hes 17, 18 years old..don't be so hard on him. you can't expect him to be nas"......BUT nas wrote f**king ILLMATIC when he was a teenager, which is considered by many to be the best rap album of all time...And I'm not saying that Chris Brown has to be Marvin Gaye or Soulja Boy has to be Nas...they simply aren't as gifted..but because the public that consumes music is so dumb, everyone gets a pass, and the artists get rewarded for dumbing their craft down, obviously hurting the quality of the music

[andgar923]

Right...talent is talent though and having substance or real feelings in your music is something that younger/modern artists just don't see as neccessary. This isn't just with r&b, but with other genres as well...look at hip-hop..a few years ago when someone would bash an "artist" like Soulja Boy they would recieve responses like "hes 17, 18 years old..don't be so hard on him. you can't expect him to be nas"......BUT nas wrote f**king ILLMATIC when he was a teenager, which is considered by many to be the best rap album of all time...And I'm not saying that Chris Brown has to be Marvin Gaye or Soulja Boy has to be Nas...they simply aren't as gifted..but because the public that consumes music is so dumb, everyone gets a pass, and the artists get rewarded for dumbing their craft down, obviously hurting the quality of the music

I agree.

At the end of the day it's the audience's fault, I have said this repeatedly. I saw a documentary in which artists basically stated the same thing. The blame is always focused on the 'labels' but ultimately the audience will get the final say so. The audience dictates the trends, and in their standards have taken a downward spiral.

I'm sure that there's some great singers out there. Great singers will always be born ALWAYS. I'm sure if one goes on YouTube we'll find dozens of great singers, but the majority of the audience won't care.

[andgar923]

The digital era has also killed off music. It's taken away some of it's soul.

Jill Scott once said that she prefers live musicians over a beat maker with an MPC and she explained why. If her bass player shows up to record and he just had an argument with his girlfriend, his playing will reflect on his playing. The same can't be said for somebody using an MPC.

As a digital content creator, making music digitally does remove one from that personal relation one has with music/instrument. I can attempt to play the piano a certain way on my MIDI keyboard, but it still won't have the same feeling as if I played a real keyboard. No matter how great the plugin is, it doesn't replicate sitting behind the ivory keys and feeling the resonance and room reverb. Any connection is lost and the outcome is a less personal emotional one.

How does technology affect singers?

The obvious answer is plugins can alter a singer's voice. They no longer have to be great singers to sound great. There's many examples out there that have demonstrated this. So when you don't have to give a great performance when you're recording it becomes a domino effect. Combine that with digitally produced music, and you have a soulless sub part song when compared to the past eras.

But one thing that isn't so obvious is how today's form of communication has taken us away from being personal. Texting, twitter and Facebook has taken us away from being close and personal. When I text my fianc

[Quizno]

I want some of you to post a modern singer that can come close to this man.

http://www.newrockstarphilosophy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/paul1.jpg
:roll:

what a terrible example. in terms of vocal range and being a talented singer paul can't even compare to guys like the weeknd, miguel or trey songz. he's a better musician for sure (beatles are my favorite band of all time!) but in terms of singing ability you're just being biased here. that's a horrible, horrible example

[andgar923]

:roll:

what a terrible example. in terms of vocal range and being a talented singer paul can't even compare to guys like the weeknd, miguel or trey songz. he's a better musician for sure (beatles are my favorite band of all time!) but in terms of singing ability you're just being biased here. that's a horrible, horrible example
completely wrong.

[IGOTGAME]

:roll:

what a terrible example. in terms of vocal range and being a talented singer paul can't even compare to guys like the weeknd, miguel or trey songz. he's a better musician for sure (beatles are my favorite band of all time!) but in terms of singing ability you're just being biased here. that's a horrible, horrible example
Ok. Find me someone in this generation that even comes close to Luther(just to relate back to op)

[iamgine]

There are talented singers today. Adele's voice is definitely better than many past singers. Adam Lambert actually has really amazing range, comparable to Freddie Mercury, but too bad he decided to sing gay songs.

[IGOTGAME]

There are talented singers today. Adele's voice is definitely better than many past singers. Adam Lambert actually has really amazing range, comparable to Freddie Mercury, but too bad he decided to sing gay songs.
I was mainly talking bout male r&b but even adele doesn't compare to great Whitney and mariah from previous generation.

[andgar923]

There are talented singers today. Adele's voice is definitely better than many past singers. Adam Lambert actually has really amazing range, comparable to Freddie Mercury, but too bad he decided to sing gay songs.

See

[iamgine]

I was mainly talking bout male r&b but even adele doesn't compare to great Whitney and mariah from previous generation.
It's subjective really. I would say Adele compare to Luther. And Adam Lambert's voice is even more amazing than Luther range wise.

[andgar923]

It's subjective really. I would say Adele compare to Luther. And Adam Lambert's voice is even more amazing than Luther range wise.
you're comparing a girl to a dude?

I do think Adam does have more range, but that doesn't necessarily make it 'better'. Technically speaking Christina Aguilera is great, just like Celine Dion, but there's more to singing then just being technically capable.

[iamgine]

you're comparing a girl to a dude?

I do think Adam does have more range, but that doesn't necessarily make it 'better'. Technically speaking Christina Aguilera is great, just like Celine Dion, but there's more to singing then just being technically capable.
It's all subjective anyways. There's really no real 'better'.

I do wanna post 2 of what I think are today's amazing talents that isn't famous:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqjroNlL4pI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsNlcr4frs4

[IGOTGAME]

It's all subjective anyways. There's really no real 'better'.

I do wanna post 2 of what I think are today's amazing talents that isn't famous:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqjroNlL4pI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsNlcr4frs4
Melanie is far from an .amazing talent. Average at best, don't even know if she will have a career. No feeling, tries.to rely on talent but isn't that special. She lacks the extra gear to do what she is trying to.do.

[iamgine]

Melanie is far from an .amazing talent. Average at best, don't even know if she will have a career. No feeling, tries.to rely on talent but isn't that special. She lacks the extra gear to do what she is trying to.do.
Well even untalented people can have career.

[IGOTGAME]

Well even untalented people can have career.
Yea, but she falls in a weird middle ground. She doesn't have a genre.she will need very good people around her.

[iamgine]

Yea, but she falls in a weird middle ground. She doesn't have a genre.she will need very good people around her.
Well even a lot of talented people have no career.

[RaininTwos]

[QUOTE=andgar923]See

[OhNoTimNoSho]

Whats happened with music and art in general is they started mass producing it. Cranking out song after song that follows a formula that sells.

These "artists" dont even listen to music themselves or really practice their craft. They are machines. I'm generalizing, but that is the main problem.

[IGOTGAME]

"there were twenty Adele's back then"

......
Idk about 20 but it wouldn't surprise me if at times there have been 10 singers as good or better than Adelmeani.g they could hop on a stage and be as good or better.

[RaininTwos]

Idk about 20 but it wouldn't surprise me if at times there have been 10 singers as good or better than Adele.
That wouldnt surprise me either, but that's not what that statement means. I think great singers come into their own and are distinguished from the pack.

I don't know why I even post in threads like these anyways, some of you guys are crazy. Apparently Adam lambert is an impressive singer but Miguel isn't because of some illogical reason.

[plowking]

Please to point me to the singers with the range and control of luther Vandross, Michael jackson, Whitney Houston, patting labelle, ron isley, otis redding and Marvin gaye. Pls do. You go guys seemed fooled by falscetto...that does not factor into range. You have to be able to hold in that key.

Just listened to Miguel, he stayed in the same key for 1.30 seconds. Kids today really don't understand vocals. Falsetto shouldn't be your only trick.

I believe both Usher and Michael have the exact same vocal range. Not the same notes, but the same range in 3 octaves and 4 notes or there about.

Whitney is easily outdone by Charice Pempengco. Easily. Go look up her live performances and be amazed. I'm pretty sure Josh Groban called her one of if not the best female voices ever.

[IGOTGAME]

I believe both Usher and Michael have the exact same vocal range. Not the same notes, but the same range in 3 octaves and 4 notes or there about.

Whitney is easily outdone by Charice Pempengco. Easily. Go look up her live performances and be amazed. I'm pretty sure Josh Groban called her one of if not the best female voices ever.
Usher is not a good vocalist.

No one in mainstream music has easily outdone Whitney.

I listen later tonight tho.

Edit..if you not gonna be honest I understand. Whitney shits on that girl in every way possible. Lol that was funny tho.

[plowking]

Usher is not a good vocalist.

No one in mainstream music has easily outdone Whitney.

I listen later tonight tho.

How is Usher not a good vocalist when he has the same range as MJ, yet MJ is? Go listen to some of Usher's newer stuff. Hes got great control, and the fact is hes a very good vocalist who often gets praised on it.

[IGOTGAME]

How is Usher not a good vocalist when he has the same range as MJ, yet MJ is? Go listen to some of Usher's newer stuff. Hes got great control, and the fact is hes a very good vocalist who often gets praised on it.
What makes MJ a good vocalist is his control, unique color of his voice and soul...it was not his range. I have all of Ushers albums and he is limited vocally. He isnt bad but he isn't someone Is point to as a really good vocalist. There are notes he just can't hit at times.

But compared to crap out now. Usher is one of the better singers. But I've heard usher live several times and the guy can't hit his notes, even in a ballad. Seems like he is a studio guy.

[plowking]

What makes MJ a good vocalist is his control, unique color of his voice and soul...it was not his range. I have all of Ushers albums and he is limited vocally. He isnt bad but he isn't someone Is point to as a really good vocalist. There are notes he just can't hit at times.

But compared to crap out now. Usher is one of the better singers. But I've heard usher live several times and the guy can't hit his notes, even in a ballad. Seems like he is a studio guy.

So preference to his sound. And there goes the whole argument.

[IGOTGAME]

So preference to his sound. And there goes the whole argument.

You are the one that picked the special case to make your point. There is a reason I'm in midtown listening to concert and everyone goes craziest at MJ stuff...he was special and unique in a way that hard to put into words. However if you want to get more specific I believe its rare for male vocalists to sing in his register. Usher's register is pretty normal.

[L.Kizzle]

Miguel is not even a Ralph Tresvant!! :lol

[andgar923]

"there were twenty Adele's back then"

......

Ok

[iamgine]

[QUOTE=andgar923]Ok

[andgar923]

So when you say 'back then', do you mean a whole two decades' worth of top artists?

I think Adele would still stand out, just like Aretha or Janis stood out despite being 'back then'.

That's exactly what I meant.

Today she stands out because there isn't too many great singers in the modern pop landscape.

I will say this tho

[iamgine]

[QUOTE=andgar923]That's exactly what I meant.

Today she stands out because there isn't too many great singers in the modern pop landscape.

I will say this tho

[andgar923]

You mistake being big with talent. Being big is more about having mass appeal image and songs for the time and marketing. If Adele doesn't have her songs, she won't be blowing up.

Backstreet Boys were very very big, and somewhat talented. So is Lady Gaga/Justin Bieber. But Adam Lambert is probably 10x more talented singing wise than them while 10x smaller.

No I'm not mistaking it.

What I mean by 'big' is in reference to her singing. She stands out and is hailed because she can sing very well (and rightfully so). But there isn't much competition for her aside from a small handful of artists. When people speak about her, they say "Oh my god she has a great voice!!" some even say she's a GOAT candidate.

What I'm trying to state is, people's perception of her voice would be lowered because she'd be compared to the other 'current' singers of her era. Instead of competing with Rhianna, she'd be on the same charts as Dusty Springfield, Linda Rondstadt, Ann Wilson, Janis etc.etc.

Errr

[iamgine]

No I'm not mistaking it.

What I mean by 'big' is in reference to her singing. She stands out and is hailed because she can sing very well (and rightfully so). But there isn't much competition for her aside from a small handful of artists. When people speak about her, they say "Oh my god she has a great voice!!" some even say she's a GOAT candidate.

What I'm trying to state is, people's perception of her voice would be lowered because she'd be compared to the other 'current' singers of her era. Instead of competing with Rhianna, she'd be on the same charts as Dusty Springfield, Linda Rondstadt, Ann Wilson, Janis etc.etc.

Errr… I'm not even sure if I made sense, I'm tired.
If it's just perception of voice; Beyonce, Alicia, Mariah, Aguilera, and many other current artists can be more than a match for Adele. It's not like Beyonce lose out to Janis or Karen Carpenter in terms of voice.

[andgar923]

If it's just perception of voice; Beyonce, Alicia, Mariah, Aguilera, and many other current artists can be more than a match for Adele. It's not like Beyonce lose out to Janis or Karen Carpenter in terms of voice.

Yes.

[iamgine]

Yes.
oh wait, subjective.