Pre-injury Hill and McGrady vs Wade and Lebron

[Cali Syndicate]

Well, not really a versus comparison but how good could that Orlando duo been? As good as Wade and Lebron?

I'm going to say yes.

Also would that Hill and McGrady with a prime Horace Grant been as good/better than the Heatles trio?

[WolfGang]

Are we talking about the current Wade or a 26-27 year old Wade?

[QuebecBaller]

Are we talking about the current Wade or a 26-27 year old Wade?

Take the Wade you want, it doesn't change anything. Hill & T-Mac > Wade and Bron

[AI3Anthony]

Give me Hill and McGrady every day. Both had GOAT talent potential before injuries. McGrady gets a bad rep for all his injuries but anyone who actually saw him in his prime ORL days knows this. Same for Grant Hill

[arifgokcen]

Wow underrating wade trend continues.Wade averaged 30-5-7,5 on almost %50 shooting and in finals he was the most dominant stretch of games anyone has ever seen.As we know lebron is way better than those two.

[swi7ch]

Hill and TMac would win.

[Sakkreth]

Hmm

LeBron >> Tmac/Wade > Hill.

BUT

Hill is best complimentary player to a superstar.

But I think LeBron is just too good all-around afterall, I give edge to Bron and Wade.

[QuebecBaller]

Wow underrating wade trend continues.Wade averaged 30-5-7,5 on almost %50 shooting and in finals he was the most dominant stretch of games anyone has ever seen.As we know lebron is way better than those two.

Wow forgetting the past trend continues... or maybe you're too young and you never saw pre-injury Hill

[Bigsmoke]

Hill never got out of the first round until 2010 and Tmac never did period

LeBron and Wade both made it to the Finals individually and won a championship together

**** this "what if" bullshit. LeBron and Wade "actually" got the job done so why would anybody in their right minds would prefer a duo that barely existed and are less talented?

morons

[BuGzBuNNy]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=187471
Here's basically the same thread a couple years back. Crazy how as time passes you start to see even the most uncommon threads reoccurring, makes me feel old.

[longtime lurker]

Lebron and Wade.

Lebron>Tmac>Hill>Wade from a pure talent perspective. But give me the guys who have actually made it past the 1st round.

[andgar923]

Wow underrating wade trend continues.Wade averaged 30-5-7,5 on almost %50 shooting and in finals he was the most dominant stretch of games anyone has ever seen.As we know lebron is way better than those two.
Stop looking at the stats.

Both Wade and Bron are more limited than Hill and Tmac. Hell, I'll even go as far as saying any combination of either Hill, Tmac or Penny are better.

The only advantage Bron has is his size, but he's just figuring out how to fully take advantage of that.

[JBull]

Wade and Bron

[SilkkTheShocker]

LOL at anyone that said Tmac/Hill. There is no way that duo wins a title. None. I would take Lebron alone over both Hill/Tmac

[longtime lurker]

LOL at anyone that said Tmac/Hill. There is no way that duo wins a title. None. I would take Lebron alone over both Hill/Tmac

Okay let's no go overboard. There's a reason Lebron had to run to DWade's team and bring along Bosh in the process

[SilkkTheShocker]

Okay let's no go overboard. There's a reason Lebron had to run to DWade's team and bring along Bosh in the process


Do you think a Tmac/Hill tandem wins a championship without a 3rd star? If you do, you're delusional. We are talking about two stars that couldn't past the 1st in their primes. Hell, Tmac has never been past the 1st round. Hill never had a #1 option mentality and McGrady has always been a loser. What has he ever won? Its actually an insult to compare those two to Lebron/Wade. A tandem that has had a ton of 1. individual success and 2. been to back to back Finals, with them winning last season. Some of you are just a bunch of nostalgia obsessed posters.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Wow forgetting the past trend continues... or maybe you're too young and you never saw pre-injury Hill

The same Hill that didn't lead the Pistons anywhere? Wade took the Heat to the 2nd round of the playoffs in his rookie year. Hill's playoff highlight is Detroit was taking the Hawks to the limit. :oldlol:

[longtime lurker]

Do you think a Tmac/Hill tandem wins a championship without a 3rd star? If you do, you're delusional. We are talking about two stars that couldn't past the 1st in their primes. Hell, Tmac has never been past the 1st round. Hill never had a #1 option mentality and McGrady has always been a loser. What has he ever won? Its actually an insult to compare those two to Lebron/Wade. A tandem that has had a ton of 1. individual success and 2. been to back to back Finals, with them winning last season. Some of you are just a bunch of nostalgia obsessed posters.

Hey I agreed that Lebron and Wade>>>Tmac and Hill if you don't believe me then just check the first page. It really depends on the type of team that T-mac and Hill are on, but I agree it's ridiculous to compare two guys that haven't done shit to two guys that have. Try to curb your Lebron love because him alone couldn't get it done and he had to run to Wade. Lebron is not better than T-mac+Hill w/ injuries.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Stop looking at the stats.

Both Wade and Bron are more limited than Hill and Tmac. Hell, I'll even go as far as saying any combination of either Hill, Tmac or Penny are better.

The only advantage Bron has is his size, but he's just figuring out how to fully take advantage of that.


LOL

Another nostalgia-obsessed poster. Let me guess, everyone that played in the 90s is >>> Lebron/Wade, right? :oldlol:

[Bigsmoke]

Stop looking at the stats.

Both Wade and Bron are more limited than Hill and Tmac. Hell, I'll even go as far as saying any combination of either Hill, Tmac or Penny are better.

The only advantage Bron has is his size, but he's just figuring out how to fully take advantage of that.

their limit were good enough to win 3 MVPs, 2 Finals MVPs, 2 scoring titles, and 3 champions combined with one actually playing together.

its stupid to talk about Wade and LeBron's limitations when Hill and Tmac were clearly not as good. period.


LOL

Another nostalgia-obsessed poster. Let me guess, everyone that played in the 90s is >>> Lebron/Wade, right? :oldlol:

pretty much

Tmac wasnt with with garbage his whole career but still couldn't succeed shit but 2 scoring titles including one with a team that had the worst record in the NBA.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Hey I agreed that Lebron and Wade>>>Tmac and Hill if you don't believe me then just check the first page. It really depends on the type of team that T-mac and Hill are on, but I agree it's ridiculous to compare two guys that haven't done shit to two guys that have. Try to curb your Lebron love because him alone couldn't get it done and he had to run to Wade. Lebron is not better than T-mac+Hill w/ injuries.


It has nothing to do with "Lebron love". Wade is being seriously underrated here. Wade in his rookie season had more playoff success than Hill/McGrady. And yes, I would take Lebron over Hill/McGrady. For Lebron's faults, he always carried mediocre supporting casts to the 2nd round or better in Cleveland. The same Lebron that is so good, Wade even turned the team over to him.

[HardwoodLegend]

About half of T-Mac's playoff appearances were on an 8th seeded team. I don't see why people pin it all on him and call him a loser. He played well in the playoffs.

LeBron did some remarkable things carrying his Cleveland squads the way he did, but I doubt he would be able to do much with Andrew DeClerq as his center. 1st round exit most likely as well.

[SilkkTheShocker]

their limit were good enough to win 3 MVPs, 2 Finals MVPs, 2 scoring titles, and 3 champions combined with one actually playing together.

its stupid to talk about Wade and LeBron's limitations when Hill and Tmac were clearly not as good. period.



pretty much

Tmac wasnt with with garbage his whole career but still couldn't succeed shit but 2 scoring titles including one with a team that had the worst record in the NBA.


Exactly man. This s.hit gets so old. Andgar is the same guy that said Rik Smits>>>Dwight Howard. Did I miss something, or did Tmac not choke two series away playing with Yao? Did Hill's Piston team not get past the 1st round? People like to use the "limited" arguement agaisnt Wade/Lebron. But forget the part about how their styles are more effective than most of the league.

[Bigsmoke]

About half of T-Mac's playoff appearances were on an 8th seeded team. I don't see why people pin it all on him and call him a loser. He played well in the playoffs.

LeBron did some remarkable things carrying his Cleveland squads the way he did, but I doubt he would be able to do much with Andrew DeClerq as his center. 1st round exit most likely as well.

Tmac had Yao Ming too.

let me guess.. he wasnt in his prime even tho he was 25

[HardwoodLegend]

Tmac had Yao Ming too.

let me guess.. he wasnt in his prime even tho he was 25

T-Mac & Yao faced stiff 1st round competition too.

LeBron has never had as difficult a 1st round as they had to play. Hell, those Dallas and Utah squads would have made the Finals from the East.

[SilkkTheShocker]

About half of T-Mac's playoff appearances were on an 8th seeded team. I don't see why people pin it all on him and call him a loser. He played well in the playoffs.

LeBron did some remarkable things carrying his Cleveland squads the way he did, but I doubt he would be able to do much with Andrew DeClerq as his center. 1st round exit most likely as well.

Its Tmac's mentality that gets him the hate. There is a reason why you never hear anything about Hill losing in the 1st round as a lead-dog and Tmac gets bashed. People don't like the way he carried himself on the court.

[Bigsmoke]

T-Mac & Yao faced stiff 1st round competition too.

LeBron has never had as difficult a 1st round as they had to play. Hell, those Dallas and Utah squads would have made the Finals from the East.
The Rockets were up 2-0

Tmac is suppose to be this "oh so good talent"

Yao Ming was great that year too.

The Mavs team did improve but it still wasnt all the great and the Suns were able to score on them with ease in the next round

[longtime lurker]

It has nothing to do with "Lebron love". Wade is being seriously underrated here. Wade in his rookie season had more playoff success than Hill/McGrady. And yes, I would take Lebron over Hill/McGrady. For Lebron's faults, he always carried mediocre supporting casts to the 2nd round or better in Cleveland. The same Lebron that is so good, Wade even turned the team over to him.

Wade's not being underrated he's just not as good from a talent stand point as healthy Tmac or Grant Hill. Wade in his rookie season had more playoff success than Grant Hill and T-mac bravo, yet in his peak seasons he had about the same amount of playoff success as them. The point is T-mac and Hill never stayed healthy so we don't know how far they could have gone which is the whole point of this thread. When you face the Wizards year after year you tend to go pretty far :rolleyes:

[HardwoodLegend]

The Rockets were up 2-0

Tmac is suppose to be this "oh so good talent"

Yao Ming was great that year too.

The Mavs team did improve but it still wasnt all the great and the Suns were able to score on them with ease in the next round

They barely won Game 2 on a clutch shot from T-Mac.

The teams were more evenly matched than you think. Yao only played 30 minutes per game in that series too. His fatigue was a factor that held Houston back.

And, against Utah, he was worthless as post defender. Houston didn't have a PG. Utah had a Deron Williams running the pick n roll with Boozer who ate Yao up in the post.

Someone like you who can't analyze the game as a TEAM sport will just blame T-Mac though.

[SilkkTheShocker]

I don't really get this thread. Do people really think a Tmac/Hill tandem would have been more successful than Lebron/Wade?

[Bigsmoke]

They barely won Game 2 on a clutch shot from T-Mac.

The teams were more evenly matched than you think. Yao only played 30 minutes per game in that series too. His fatigue was a factor that held Houston back.

And, against Utah, he was worthless as post defender. Houston didn't have a PG. Utah had a Deron Williams running the pick n roll with Boozer who ate Yao up in the post.

Someone like you who can't analyze the game as a TEAM sport will just blame T-Mac though.

Deron Williams wasnt even that good in 2007 :lol

The Jazz were an average playoffs team and the Rockets was a team that people thought would have won 60 games if Yao healthy so stop with this :cry: tmac didnt have shit

[HardwoodLegend]

Deron Williams wasnt even that good in 2007 :lol

The Jazz were an average playoffs team and the Rockets was a team that people thought would have won 60 games if Yao healthy so stop with this :cry: tmac didnt have shit

An average playoffs team that still would have made the Finals out of the Eastern Conference.

Deron Williams averaged 19 and 9 in that Playoffs. It was pretty much his coming out party.

The Rockets should have won, but I don't view it as some massive chokejob on T-Mac's part that should sum up his whole career as some loser who didn't show up at all in the Playoffs. It makes no sense.

[SilkkTheShocker]

07 Cleveland matched up well with Utah. And I think Detroit beats them also. Utah played the Rockets, got lucky playing Golden state instead of Dallas, and got raped by San Antonio. Not saying Lebron didn't have an easy road to the Finals. But the 07 Jazz caught some breaks to get to the WCF. Suns, Phoenix, and San Antonio are the only 3 teams that I can say would have definitely beat any of the teams in the East.

[Smoke117]

This is just nostalgia. Wade and Lebron at their best are better than any version of Tmac or Grant Hill that we saw play before they snapped up their shit.

[Cali Syndicate]

Deron Williams wasnt even that good in 2007 :lol

The Jazz were an average playoffs team and the Rockets was a team that people thought would have won 60 games if Yao healthy so stop with this :cry: tmac didnt have shit

That 05 rockets was a two man team. Outside of Mcgrady and Yao, they barely even had any other good solid starters. The mavericks on the other hand had Dirk, better role players and better bench. People hyped up the rockets on hype due to talent. They really didn't have much to win it all.

And FYI Pistons Hill and Orlando McGrady had some the worst supporting casts in the league. Wade in his rookie season had the likes of Eddie Jones, Lamar Odom and a cast of young talent in Butler and Haslem. I'll even throw Skip to my Lou in there. Wade in 09 even had a better cast than Pistons Hill and Orlando Mcgrady ever had. Same goes for Lebron.

[Raz]

This is a crazy topic, and uninjured Hill and McGrady by FAR!

Wade is nothing without the referees.

[SilkkTheShocker]

There isn' a GM in the NBA that would choose Hill/McGrady over Lebron/Wade. None.

[Raz]

There isn' a GM in the NBA that would choose Hill/McGrady over Lebron/Wade. None.

Just all of them. That's all. Hill and McGrady are a better mesh, and overall more talented than James and Wade.

What do you take?
Prime Hill: 21.4, 9.0, 7.3 (Basically Pippen part 2, better scorer, not as good on D)
Prime McGrady: 32.1, 6.5, 5.5 (DESTROYER!)

or

Prime Wade: 30.2, 5.0, 7.2 (can't shoot - needs referees to bail him out)
Prime James: 27.1, 7.9, 6.2 (can't shoot or perform in clutch)

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

This is just nostalgia. Wade and Lebron at their best are better than any version of Tmac or Grant Hill that we saw play before they snapped up their shit.

Agree to a certain extent. I don't know about Wade being better than a peak (injury-free) Grant Hill or Mcgrady, but I'd take Lebron over all those guys. No doubt.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Just all of them. That's all. Hill and McGrady are a better mesh, and overall more talented than James and Wade.

What do you take?
Prime Hill: 21.4, 9.0, 7.3 (Basically Pippen part 2, better scorer, not as good on D)
Prime McGrady: 32.1, 6.5, 5.5 (DESTROYER!)

or

Prime Wade: 30.2, 5.0, 7.2 (can't shoot - needs referees to bail him out)
Prime James: 27.1, 7.9, 6.2 (can't shoot or perform in clutch)

I take Lebron/Wade for the fact 1. Had way better individal careers 2. Were able to win a title playing together. People here are forgetting Hill has always had a 2nd banana mentality and McGrady has always had a loster mentality. Just more posters obsessed with the old days. Some people here probably think Penny Hardaway would be the best player in today's NBA :oldlol:

[Heavincent]

Wade is the worst of the bunch but I'd still take Lebron/Wade.

[tmacattack33]

Peak Wade, Hill, and T-mac were all amazing players...it's hard to even separate them.

You can say that Lebron is a notch above all of them though.

Peak Lebron> Peak Wade= Peak T-mac = Peak Grant Hill

[lakerspng]

Wade and Lebron don't play well together. One or the other dominates while the other hangs back. I believe Hill and McGrady would have far superior chemistry on the court together (mainly due to Grant's tremendous fundamentals and game IQ), their ability to work off each other and move without the ball in a half-court set and therefore I give them the edge. And Bron/Wade don't really have an advantage in a fast break either. Prime McGrady and Prime Hill were both unreal in a full court game. They're better players, even though LeBron's the best overall talent.

[tmacattack33]

Wade and Lebron don't play well together. One or the other dominates while the other hangs back. I believe Hill and McGrady would have far superior chemistry on the court together (mainly due to Grant's tremendous fundamentals and game IQ), their ability to work off each other and move without the ball in a half-court set and therefore I give them the edge. And Bron/Wade don't really have an advantage in a fast break either. Prime McGrady and Prime Hill were both unreal in a full court game. They're better players, even though LeBron's the best overall talent.

:biggums:

I was with you till you said that.

[lakerspng]

:biggums:

I was with you till you said that.

All 4 players are completely unstoppable on the break. Amazing finishers. Neither has an advantage because neither can stop the other.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Are we forgetting McGrady always had a losing attiude?

[tmacattack33]

All 4 players are completely unstoppable on the break. Amazing finishers. Neither has an advantage because neither can stop the other.

Yeah all are great finishers, but Wade and Lebron at top speed are faster than both Hill and T-mac, which would allow them to have more fast-breaks in the first place.

[longtime lurker]

Wade is the worst of the bunch but I'd still take Lebron/Wade.

That's pretty much how I feel.

[swi7ch]

you could tell ISH posters are young cos they don't know how good prime grant hill was

:roll:

[Raz]

I take Lebron/Wade for the fact 1. Had way better individal careers 2. Were able to win a title playing together. People here are forgetting Hill has always had a 2nd banana mentality and McGrady has always had a loster mentality. Just more posters obsessed with the old days. Some people here probably think Penny Hardaway would be the best player in today's NBA :oldlol:

He would be. Prime Penny was up there with Jordan. Far better player than LeBron.

[guy]

you could tell ISH posters are young cos they don't know how good prime grant hill was

:roll:

I saw Grant Hill play and he has become very overrated over the years. He was not on prime Lebron or Wade's level. Shit, he wasn't on prime T-Mac's level either. Obviously a great player, could've been an MVP if healthy and in the right situation, but he wasn't as great as those players at there best.

[guy]

He would be. Prime Penny was up there with Jordan. Far better player than LeBron.

No he wasn't either of those two.

[BoutPractice]

Wade and LeBron.

McGrady and Grant Hill simply never were that good.

Peak McGrady was probably more talented than Wade, but not enough to compensate for the "feels good to be in the second round" attitude. Anyone who thinks the road will be easy will find a way to lose, however brilliant he is.

As for peak Grant Hill, he was always inferior to pretty much any version of LeBron (barring rookie years). Just because he got hyped by a SLAM cover doesn't mean he ever had GOAT potential... it's only revisionist history due to injuries.
He was everything people used to criticize LeBron for, except he was less physically dominant.
LeBron owns games the way few people in the NBA's history ever have, and Grant Hill isn't one of them.

[guy]

Wade and LeBron.

McGrady and Grant Hill simply never were that good.

Peak McGrady was probably more talented than Wade, but not enough to compensate for the "feels good to be in the second round" attitude. Anyone who thinks the road will be easy will find a way to lose, however brilliant he is.

As for peak Grant Hill, he was always inferior to pretty much any version of LeBron (barring rookie years). Just because he got hyped by a SLAM cover doesn't mean he ever had GOAT potential... it's only revisionist history due to injuries.
He was everything people used to criticize LeBron for, except he was less physically dominant.
LeBron owns games the way few people in the NBA's history ever have, and Grant Hill isn't one of them.

This. It amazes how people can say things like if Hill or Penny never got injured then they would've been at Jordan's level.

[TheNaturalWR]

LeBron > Wade > T-Mac > Hill

[SilkkTheShocker]

He would be. Prime Penny was up there with Jordan. Far better player than LeBron.


meh. No point in debating if u are just gonna troll.

[HardwoodLegend]

Are we forgetting McGrady always had a losing attiude?

Can you give me some examples that show his "losing attitude"?

A lot has been said about T-Mac's attitude, but I think he's highly misunderstood and unfairly maligned in a lot of ways.

[EnoughSaid]

Wade has struggled with multiple injuries as well... it's not like he's been healthy his whole career. If he doesn't get injured in 2005, Miami wins that title. We don't know what could have happened if he stayed healthy throughout...

[Droid101]

Wade has struggled with multiple injuries as well... it's not like he's been healthy his whole career. If he doesn't get injured in 2005, Miami wins that title. We don't know what could have happened if he stayed healthy throughout...
No, they don't.

[BlueandGold]

Are we forgetting McGrady always had a losing attiude?
He did... never making it out of the first round while being in the playoffs all those years is :facepalm. Remember he was up on the Mavs 3-1 with Yao ming and 2 home games left :facepalm

[Indian guy]

you could tell ISH posters are young cos they don't know how good prime grant hill was

:roll:

More like the other way around. You have to be young to be stupid enough to consider Hill a superior player to LeBron or Wade.

[Raz]

meh. No point in debating if u are just gonna troll.

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[Raz]

More like the other way around. You have to be young to be stupid enough to consider Hill a superior player to LeBron or Wade.

You can't have been around then - Hill was a superstar, he was dominating the league. Super versatile, and the ultimate team player. He was very athletic. He was surrounded with garbage teams once Houston left, and that was unfortunate. Wade doesn't hold a CANDLE to Grant Hill. I can't believe Wade is even in this conversation. The 2006 title will always have a giant * beside it.

[Bigsmoke]

how is Grant HIll better than Wade?

because he rebounds better? :confusedshrug:

[HardwoodLegend]

He did... never making it out of the first round while being in the playoffs all those years is :facepalm. Remember he was up on the Mavs 3-1 with Yao ming and 2 home games left :facepalm

Factcheck fail.

Try again.

[KingBeasley08]

Wade is easily better than Grant Hill. I sometimes think this place overrates the old players.

Lebron and Wade easy

[Bigsmoke]

Okay let's no go overboard. There's a reason Lebron had to run to DWade's team and bring along Bosh in the process
LeBron was the last to join

[KingBeasley08]

LeBron was the last to join
Forget about Miami. Lebron's Cleveland career dwarfs anything Hill and McGrady accomplished

[HardwoodLegend]

Forget about Miami. Lebron's Cleveland career dwarfs anything Hill and McGrady accomplished

McGrady never had an All-Star center in the East.

He had Andrew DeClerq.

[Bigsmoke]

McGrady never had an All-Star center in the East.

He had Andrew DeClerq.

i thought Vince Carter was like 2nd in total points in the 1999-2000 season.

Not only that he was an All Star but a MONSTER!

Tmac was still on that team

[HardwoodLegend]

i thought Vince Carter was like 2nd in total points in the 1999-2000 season.

Not only that he was an All Star but a MONSTER!

Tmac was still on that team

Vince shot 30.0% from the field in that series against the New York Knicks. 30 FLAT. 10% from behind the arc. 10 FLAT.

T-Mac was still only 20 and played under 40 minutes that postseason. In fairness, LeBron hadn't played in the playoffs yet at 20.

[guy]

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[Cali Syndicate]

Just cause Penny had success going up against Jordan doesn't mean he was close to his level or on his way there. Paul Pierce has given Lebron James and Kobe Bryant problems. Is he on their level?

I for one don't think Penny was GOAT caliber but he could definitely hold his own. Very unique player. IMO he was a Mcgrady type talent as a very capable scorer but with more of a playmaker mentality than a scorer.

[imdaman99]

ill take tmac and hill. its not like we are talking about JUST lebron and wade winning the championship. those 2 guys had so much help in the finals it was ridiculous. their role players played like stars, not to mention bosh. so throw out this years championship, lets talk about pre-2012 lebron and wade vs tmac and hill. not such a mismatch now is it? :confusedshrug:

[TheNaturalWR]

ill take tmac and hill. its not like we are talking about JUST lebron and wade winning the championship. those 2 guys had so much help in the finals it was ridiculous. their role players played like stars, not to mention bosh. so throw out this years championship, lets talk about pre-2012 lebron and wade vs tmac and hill. not such a mismatch now is it? :confusedshrug:

So 30/7/7 and 30/7/5 vs Hill and T-Mac?

Give me LeBron and Wade every time.

[longtime lurker]

LeBron was the last to join

Sure he was....:rolleyes:

[swi7ch]

This is why ISH considers Kobe as the GOAT! They weren't born yet to see the NBA in the 90s :roll:

You kids missed a lot of great basketball!

[HardwoodLegend]

So 30/7/7 and 30/7/5 vs Hill and T-Mac?

Give me LeBron and Wade every time.

At least give T-Mac the courtesy of calling him 32/7/6.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

A T-mac thread 6 pages long and no Stateofmind yet? Never would've saw that coming. :oldlol:

Anyways I can see how McGrady and Hill might mesh together better than Wade/Lebron, but Lebron is best player of the four and if Wade played like he did this playoffs where he deferred to him more, I say they are better. It's not a "no argument" scenario, but I think Wade/Lebron have the edge.

[Bigsmoke]

ill take tmac and hill. its not like we are talking about JUST lebron and wade winning the championship. those 2 guys had so much help in the finals it was ridiculous. their role players played like stars, not to mention bosh. so throw out this years championship, lets talk about pre-2012 lebron and wade vs tmac an
U d hill. not such a mismatch now is it? :confusedshrug:


U don't think Mike Miller and Battier made those threes from isolation...

[Segatti]

Hill would be a much better scorer if he played by the 00's rules.

[longtime lurker]

People can't be seriously choosing Mcgrady and Hill over Lebron and Wade.

[IGOTGAME]

Wade is turning into one of the most overrated players of all time.

[Gabuyaux]

People can't be seriously choosing Mcgrady and Hill over Lebron and Wade.
I would. :confusedshrug: