#27 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

Heavincent

09-08-2012, 11:53 PM

How did Cousy get in over Pippen? This list will be a bad joke if Pippen falls out of the top 30. The disrespect Pippen gets :facepalm

The man has 6 rings and was a star for all of those rings. One of the greatest all around players ever. How many weaknesses did prime Pippen have? Yeah, barely any at all.

EnoughSaid

09-08-2012, 11:55 PM

Dwyane Wade. Needs to be here or 28.

Ne 1

09-09-2012, 12:06 AM

Scottie Pippen.

The GOAT perimeter defender, MVP caliber player, and at least a top 5 player (and the best all-around player) and the best SF in his prime. 6 rings, 9 conference finals, and 16 consecutive years in the playoffs. One of the best rebounding small forwards of all time, one of the best play making forwards of all time, a leader on the court and a winner, plus a long, athletic player who gave you over 20+ ppg.

6'8" with a 7'2" wingspan, but he pretty much played point guard offensively, a great finisher, excellent basketball IQ, deadly in transition, good post up player, capable 3 point shooter, he could rebound as well as some power forwards and one of the rare perimeter players who could impact a game defensively like an elite defensive big man.

INDI

09-09-2012, 12:06 AM

Scottie Pippen

fsvr54

09-09-2012, 12:15 AM

Rick Barry. A Pippen led team would never win a chip. People are nuts.

kennethgriffin

09-09-2012, 12:52 AM

pippen

HardwoodLegend

09-09-2012, 12:55 AM

Clyde Drexler.

Someone in another thread said they remember seeing a good argument making a case for Drexler > Malone on an ESPN forum.

DatAsh

09-09-2012, 12:57 AM

All the votes for Pippen so far have been by Kobe fanatics(Heavincent, NE1, INDI, kenithgriffin).

Coincidence?

That being said, my vote is for Scottie Pippen.

Heavincent

09-09-2012, 01:08 AM

All the votes for Pippen so far have been by Kobe fanatics(Heavincent, NE1, INDI, kenithgriffin).

Coincidence?

That being said, my vote is for Scottie Pippen.

What the hell does Pippen have to do with Kobe?

HardwoodLegend

09-09-2012, 01:10 AM

What the hell does Pippen have to do with Kobe?

It diminishes Michael Jordan's share of championship responsibility to bolster Pippen's status.

Heavincent

09-09-2012, 01:11 AM

It diminishes Michael Jordan's share of championship responsibility to bolster Pippen's status.

:oldlol: :facepalm

That wasn't my intention at all. Everyone knows Jordan is the GOAT and bla bla. No need to be so insecure.

DatAsh

09-09-2012, 01:13 AM

What the hell does Pippen have to do with Kobe?

He shouldn't have anything to do with Kobe, but four out of four Pippen votes being from Kobe fanatics suggest that he might have something to do with Kobe.

Hittin_Shots

09-09-2012, 01:15 AM

Pippen

HardwoodLegend

09-09-2012, 01:16 AM

:oldlol: :facepalm

That wasn't my intention at all. Everyone knows Jordan is the GOAT and bla bla. No need to be so insecure.

May not have been your intention, but there is a correlation.

I remember seeing KOBE143 hying up Pippen big time in another thread saying he was the 2nd best player in the league.

LongLiveTheKing

09-09-2012, 01:18 AM

Wade

KOBE143

09-09-2012, 01:20 AM

Pippen, probably one of the most underrated player of all time..

Raz

09-09-2012, 01:32 AM

Barry

pauk

09-09-2012, 01:37 AM

MY VOTE:

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/821/623/rick-barry_display_image.jpg

Rick Barry was a FMVP, a NBA Champion, a 1st All-NBA teamer, a NBA All-Star and a Rookie of the Year that was the undisputed best player in the NBA in 1975... Ever heard discussions about "Which player won the champinship with the least help", the answer is here... Rick Barry... in 1975 he carried a bunch of scrubs/roleplayers while averaging 31-6-6-3-1 that year to a Championship over the most stacked and best team in the NBA at that time.... the Washington Bullets, who had Elvin Hayes (23-12-3), Phil Chenier (22-4-3), Wes Unseld (11-17-4), Kevin Porter (led the league in assists that year) and so on, they had the best record in the NBA, were just toying with everybody, they were the heavy favorites to win..... Rick Barry SWEPT that team in the Finals with amazing clutch play & performance...... as for the other years in the playoffs, he made sure he went out guns blazing with playoff runs like 40-10-3, 35-8-4, 28-6-6, 34-12-4, 31-7-4 and so on....

As a player he was one of the best shooters in NBA history and one of the most prolific scorers in NBA history accumulating over 25000 points @ 25 PPG, he had seasons of like 34.0 PPG and 35.6 PPG and so on... fantastic all-round playing pure shooter a la Larry Bird actually, Rick Barry was one of the first "point-forwards" ever........... except maybe besides passing Rick Barry could do ANYTHING just as well as Larry Bird could and some stuff probably even better (Scoring, Ballhandling and arguably Defense)....

ScalabrineStan

09-09-2012, 01:38 AM

Pippen

longhornfan1234

09-09-2012, 01:43 AM

Wade.

Deuce Bigalow

09-09-2012, 01:48 AM

MY VOTE:

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/821/623/rick-barry_display_image.jpg

Rick Barry was a FMVP, a NBA Champion, a 1st All-NBA teamer, a NBA All-Star and a Rookie of the Year that was the undisputed best player in the NBA in 1975... Ever heard discussions about "Which player won the champinship with the least help", the answer is here... Rick Barry... in 1975 he carried a bunch of scrubs/roleplayers while averaging 31-6-6-3-1 that year to a Championship over the most stacked and best team in the NBA at that time.... the Washington Bullets, who had Elvin Hayes (23-12-3), Phil Chenier (22-4-3), Wes Unseld (11-17-4), Kevin Porter (led the league in assists that year) and so on, they had the best record in the NBA, were just toying with everybody, they were the heavy favorites to win..... Rick Barry SWEPT that team in the Finals with amazing clutch play & performance...

As a player he was one of the best shooters in NBA history and one of the most prolific scorers in NBA history accumulating over 25000 points @ 25 PPG, he had seasons of like 34.0 PPG and 35.6 PPG and so on... fantastic all-round playing pure shooter a la Larry Bird actually, Rick Barry was one of the first "point-forwards" ever........... except maybe besides passing Rick Barry could do ANYTHING just as well as Larry Bird could and some stuff probably even better (Scoring, Ballhandling and arguably Defense)....
Good points. Rick Barry is my vote as well.

1987_Lakers

09-09-2012, 02:15 AM

Rick Barry

Deuce Bigalow

09-09-2012, 02:33 AM

I updated each thread (except #12-15 which I will do later)
Stats, accomplishments, and voting results added.

magnax1

09-09-2012, 02:37 AM

Rick Barry

WillC

09-09-2012, 05:07 AM

Rick Barry.

Led his team to a championship against some tough competition.

One of the most underrated players of all-time. Phenomenal shooter, slasher, passer.

BoutPractice

09-09-2012, 05:29 AM

Wade is getting underrated here...
He used to be considered "almost as good as LeBron", with a "better peak than Kobe"... Not saying I agree with any of this, but it reveals how highly regarded he was.

Rick Barry definitely has a case here, as well as guys like Willis Reed, but my vote goes to DWade.
Again, let's keep in mind DWade has only played 9 years in the league so far. He's likely to end up with one or two more championships in 3-4 years as a clear second option, in addition to the one he earned as the best player on his team. When it's all said and done Wade will be higher than he is now.

LosBulls

09-09-2012, 05:29 AM

Smh Iverson so underrated. Maravich,Stockton,Payton too.

Ancient Legend

09-09-2012, 05:44 AM

Scottie Pippen

skaterbasist

09-09-2012, 05:47 AM

Pippen. One of the greatest all-around players of all time. One hell of a sidekick.

arifgokcen

09-09-2012, 06:11 AM

wade

WillC

09-09-2012, 06:12 AM

Again, let's keep in mind DWade has only played 9 years in the league so far.

Exactly. And that's why he doesn't deserve to be ranked ahead of a true legend like Rick Barry. At least not yet.

Voting for Wade over Barry is criminal. Check out the record books.

Career points:

Rick Barry: 25,279
Dwyane Wade: 14,990

Career rebounds:

Rick Barry: 6,863
Dwyane Wade: 3,020

Career assists:

Rick Barry: 4,952
Dwyane Wade: 3,697

League leader accomplishments:

Rick Barry: Led league in FT% 7 times, PPG 1 time, SPG 1 time
Dwyane Wade: Led league in PPG 1 time

All-Star Games:

Rick Barry: 12 (includes 4 in the ABA - he would have been an NBA All-Star those years too)
Dwyane Wade: 8

All-NBA 1st Team:

Rick Barry: 10 (includes 4 in the ABA - he would have been All-NBA 1st Team those years too)
Dwyane Wade: 2

Championships:

Rick Barry: 1
Dwyane Wade: 2

Deuce Bigalow

09-09-2012, 06:18 AM

Rick Barry: Led league in FT% 7 times
Dwyane Wade: Led league in PPG 1 time

FT% is a category that we "count"?

Barry led the league in scoring in 1966-67 (NBA)

WillC

09-09-2012, 06:21 AM

FT% is a category that we "count"?

Barry led the league in scoring in 1966-67 (NBA)

Thanks, I missed that. Barry also led the league in SPG one year too. I will edit my post. I was looking at per-36mpg accidentally.

And yes, I count FT%.

Horatio33

09-09-2012, 06:36 AM

Scottie Pippen.

oolalaa

09-09-2012, 06:36 AM

How the **** was the 34% playoff shooter voted over Dwyane Wade, Rick Barry AND Scottie Pippen???? I'm gunna check the thread and 'ignore' everyone who voted for him.

Deuce Bigalow

09-09-2012, 06:42 AM

How the **** was the 34% playoff shooter voted over Dwyane Wade, Rick Barry AND Scottie Pippen???? I'm gunna check the thread and 'ignore' everyone who voted for him.
With NO 3-point line :lol

I though he was the "Houdini of the Hardwood" :confusedshrug:

Legends66NBA7

09-09-2012, 06:48 AM

Exactly. And that's why he doesn't deserve to be ranked ahead of a true legend like Rick Barry.

Both are legends, regardless.

I don't know, but "true legend" just reads off as funny to me.

WillC

09-09-2012, 07:01 AM

Both are legends, regardless.

I don't know, but "true legend" just reads off as funny to me.

Ok. Disregard my 'true legend' comment then. Both are/were superstars.

But Rick Barry had the better career; Rick Barry has the better numbers; Dwyane Wade hasn't even finished his career yet. If he wins a few more championships and puts up another 10,000 points, then he deserves to be ranked ahead of Barry.

Not yet though.

Rick Barry's career was greater than Dwyane Wade's, so far.

TheBigVeto

09-09-2012, 08:01 AM

Cooz below Isiah? Nikkapleaze.

Kblaze8855

09-09-2012, 08:49 AM

Exactly. And that's why he doesn't deserve to be ranked ahead of a true legend like Rick Barry. At least not yet.

While I have nothing against rick Barry and pointed out his greatness many votes ago....

Nothing he did after his 9th season is why hes ranked this high. If hes better than Wade is because of what each of them did their first 9 years. Wade isnt getting better and Barry didnt either. Barry won a good number of games but Wade is about to as well. Barry led his title team at 30 Wade did his at what? 23? But both only led one and will never do it as best player again barring an injury to Lebron.

The players they are have already been established. The rest is just career padding. But the core is complete. The people they are/were who get compared to others...those players have come and arguably gone. I dont see Wade playing 05-2010 ball again but its possible....

What isnt possible is him getting better.

Hes pretty much what hes gonna be. Just gonna stack career totals and shit on top of it. But hes not getting any better. Why should more years as a worse player increase his standing?

PJR

09-09-2012, 08:59 AM

Wade.

kurple

09-09-2012, 09:18 AM

pippen

Amare4lyfe

09-09-2012, 09:27 AM

Patrick Ewing

coin24

09-09-2012, 09:32 AM

Pippen...

The list has gone to shit, too many retards voting:lol

WillC

09-09-2012, 09:50 AM

While I have nothing against rick Barry and pointed out his greatness many votes ago....

Nothing he did after his 9th season is why hes ranked this high. If hes better than Wade is because of what each of them did their first 9 years. Wade isnt getting better and Barry didnt either. Barry won a good number of games but Wade is about to as well. Barry led his title team at 30 Wade did his at what? 23? But both only led one and will never do it as best player again barring an injury to Lebron.

The players they are have already been established. The rest is just career padding. But the core is complete. The people they are/were who get compared to others...those players have come and arguably gone. I dont see Wade playing 05-2010 ball again but its possible....

What isnt possible is him getting better.

Hes pretty much what hes gonna be. Just gonna stack career totals and shit on top of it. But hes not getting any better. Why should more years as a worse player increase his standing?

And that makes the argument for Rick Barry even more convincing, since Wade is unlikely to garner many All-NBA 1st Team accolades from now on. As you said, the rest is just padding ;)

Kblaze8855

09-09-2012, 09:57 AM

Wade is who he is. In 20 years when hes ranked...when people ask "Wade vs __" they mean a player who has already either come and gone or has come and isnt quite gone. The padding at the end is irrelevant. I care as much about what Wade does from now on as I do about what Ewing did after 96 or so when asked how good he is.

I dont care about Ricky Barry on the rockets either. It just doesnt matter.

WillC

09-09-2012, 10:45 AM

I care as much about what Wade does from now on as I do about what Ewing did after 96 or so when asked how good he is.

So if Wade won three or four more championships, it wouldn't change your opinion of him?

Kblaze8855

09-09-2012, 10:54 AM

By the time Wade could win them he would be far worse than he was at his best. And what interest should I have in how good someone was outside their time as the player to be remembered?

Wade is who he was 05-2011 or maybe for another year or two. barry is who he was from the late 60s until 1976 or so.

What they do while being led to it by others isnt what I feel is most important.

To me...Kareem could have retired in 1984. Hes still top 5 and arguably #1. I didnt need MJ to come back for 3 more rings to have him where he is either.

Its legacy shit. Mostly for use by generations of unborn fans who wont actually know anything about the players in question. When thats all you have...its all you have. But I know Wade. I know him...college to now.

Nothing hes gonna do from here on out gives me information I need to know how good he is.