#29 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops

[Deuce Bigalow]

Rick Barry was voted the #28 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops.

23.2 PPG | 6.5 RPG | 5.1 APG

NBA Champion
1974-75 NBA Finals MVP
8

[L.Kizzle]

Walt Frazier.

[OmniStrife]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-95uhwRhn410/TaCuaMUT5nI/AAAAAAAAAWc/XjyJMfh9P1c/s1600/John-Stockton.jpg

[chazzy]

Wade

[Young X]

Wade

[Round Mound]

Wade....Then Stockton

[Eric Cartman]

Dominant finals performer to say the least.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-feUaDfJwjZc/Te5lS3CbH_I/AAAAAAAABWo/q44J6y5tChA/s1600/Dwyanewade0607.jpg

[DirtySanchez]

John Stockton

[DirtySanchez]

List ain't al that bad...only player really out of place is LeBron.

[Deuce Bigalow]

D-Wade

[Eric Cartman]

List ain't al that bad...only player really out of place is LeBron.

Bron is easily top 15, sure he gets a boost because he just came off a title and FMVP ... I'd put him slightly ahead of Jerry West, maybe even Oscar. #12 or #13 is the correct spot for him.

Karl Malone is the most overrated of the players currently listed.

[DirtySanchez]

I got him at # 16 or 15 currently but moving up fast.
A ring next year for him would bump him to 11 IMO.

[m y t i n]

D-wade

[pauk]

Edit: Changed My Vote To Willis Reed

[silenc]

Allen Iverson

[iamgine]

How about Patrick Ewing or Bob Mcadoo

[Deuce Bigalow]

oh really? a ring next year would bump him into the top 10 knocking hakeem out of the way without any discussion.

Anyways my vote is Dwyane Wade.
How the hell would he knock off Hakeem when Hakeem has 2 RINGS, and all of them are more impressive.
lmao at no discussion, because you're right, Lebron won't have a discussion for being over Hakeem.

[TheeBeast]

Wade

[Deuce Bigalow]

How about Patrick Ewing or Bob Mcadoo
How did this guy only make 2 All-NBA Teams?

EDIT: Forgot that there was only 1st and 2nd all-nba teams all the way up to 1987-88.

[Rnbizzle]

Wade.

[Legends66NBA7]

How did this guy only make 2 All-NBA Teams?

EDIT: Forgot that there was only 1st and 2nd all-nba teams all the way up to 1987-88.

That and the center position was pretty much loaded with the likes of Kareem, Cowens, Walton, and Moses.

McAdoo also had a short prime, but a peak very much comparable to peak Kareem.

[chips93]

flash

[BlackVVaves]

Wade.

[pauk]

How the hell would he knock off Hakeem when Hakeem has 2 RINGS, and all of them are more impressive.
lmao at no discussion, because you're right, Lebron won't have a discussion for being over Hakeem.

I am not really sure if you are serious? If Lebron gets another ring or has another similar year this is how his career will look like compared to Hakeem at the end of the upcoming season:

.................LEBRON............HAKEEM.......
MVP..............3-4.....................1............
FMVP..............2......................2........ ....
CHAMP............2......................2......... ..
ROTY.............Yes...................No......... .
DPOY..............0......................2........ ...
1st All-NBA......7......................6...........
1st All-Def.......5......................5...........
All-Star...........9.....................12...........
All-Star MVP....2.......................0...........
PPG...............28....................22........ ..
RPG................7.....................11....... ...
APG................7......................2....... ...
SPG................2......................2....... ...
BPG................1......................3....... ...
PER Rating.....27.2.................23.6........

Not to mention Lebron was the best player in the NBA for much longer than Hakeem, who was the best player in the NBA 2 times and won those 2 championships mostly because the actual best player in the NBA was on vacation.... Lebron didnt need that handicap, he chewed of everybodies superman capes to become the best and become this successful...



:confusedshrug:

What criteria could you POSSIBLY go after to devaluate such a more accomplished career?

I know Lebrons success in every facit of the game and so quickly in such a short time comes like a shocker to many of you, but you need to deal with it...

[MasterDurant24]

Wade.

[Raz]

John Stockton

[INDI]

oh really? a ring next year would bump him into the top 10 knocking hakeem out of the way without any discussion.

Anyways my vote is Dwyane Wade.

there would be a lot of discussing about that lol. another ring puts him in the conversation of Oscar/West/Moses Malone who respectively are 11,12,13 (in real life not ish). So another ring would at best get him the 11th slot and at worst the 13th. Currently he is somewhere around 14-16 and has a similar career to Julius Erving (yes i'm including ABA because there was two professional leagues back then).


I agree though that if he gets another MVP and ring, that he would automatically bump Hakeem. Ultimately I believe Bron will end up in the 6-8 slot, but if he just starts racking up rings galore or a bunch of mvp's then he will get that top 5 slot.

[INDI]

its hard to pick out of wade and stockton because Wade has that super duper star quality but stockton has stamped his mark on the league more firmly then wade.

Ima go with Stockton!!!!!


think about it like this, if wade retired today due to knees or something, this guy would not be remembered as much 30 years from now. On the other hand stockton would still be the all-time leader in assists and steals and that will be remembered. Wade should definitely get that 30th spot though.

[PJR]

Wade

[colts19]

Stockton

[b1imtf]

Wade

[Raz]

Stockton

[wally_world]

Steve Nash

[Raz]

Steve Nash

That counts as a vote for Stockton.

BTW, Wade shouldn't even sniff top 50.

[Dragonyeuw]

So far, don't like Garnett at 16( I'd put him closer to 18-21 spot), Dirk should be around 25th, not 22nd. Mikan's tough to rank because of how far back he played, so I guess you'd have to look at accomplishments. I'd put Pippen around 29th or 30th.

At first I didn't like Lebron at 11, and I think he catches alot of flack for the 2011 finals( on some level justified). But you can't deny that he's already got a career's worth of accomplishments in 9 seasons, or his overall dominance.

Anyways, I'm going to go with D-Wade at #29. Though that seems a bit low for some reason.....

[Raz]

Anyways, I'm going to go with D-Wade at #29. Though that seems a bit low for some reason.....

I don't know how you put him over Stockton, Ewing, or Drexler.

[fpliii]

DWade

OT - Who is the favorite for DPOY this season? Is it likely Dwight again (personally I don't have a problem with Chandler winning last season, but my vote was for KG)

[longhornfan1234]

Wade.

[miles berg]

Ewing

[Dragonyeuw]

I don't know how you put him over Stockton, Ewing, or Drexler.

There's many picks I don't know about. Anyways, it's a random list by random people. Who cares? Ask me tomorrow and I'll probably say Stockton should be #29.

And out of interest, why do you think he definitely falls behind Drexler? Most people consider Jordan, Kobe and West the top 3 shooting guards. Do you believe that Clyde is 4th?

[kurple]

Iverson

[pauk]

Hm.... we might have officialy done a terrible sin....

We forgot WILLIS REED completely...


.....................W.REED......D.WADE.......
MVP....................1................0......... ....
FMVP..................2................1.......... ...
CHAMP................2................2........... ..
ROTY.................Yes..............No.......... ..
All-Star...............7.................8............ .
All-NBA...............5.................2............
All-Defensive.......1.................3.............
All-Star MVP........1.................1.............


I will have to change my vote to WILLIS REED... I love you Wade, but... damn..

[Raz]

And out of interest, why do you think he definitely falls behind Drexler? Most people consider Jordan, Kobe and West the top 3 shooting guards. Do you believe that Clyde is 4th?

I believe it goes:
1. Jordan
2. Bryant
3. West
4. Drexler
5. Iverson
6. Miller
7. Wade

OT, imagine an Oscar Robertson/ Allen Iverson backcourt. Has there ever been a better pairing?

[Raz]

Hm.... we might have officialy done a terrible sin....

We forgot WILLIS REED completely...

For example:

.....................W.REED......D.WADE.......
MVP....................1................0......... ....
FMVP..................2................1.......... ...
CHAMP................2................2........... ..
ROTY.................Yes..............No.......... ..
All-Star...............7.................8............ .
All-NBA...............5.................2............
All-Defensive.......1.................3.............
All-Star MVP........1.................1.............



I will have to change my vote to WILLIS REED...


On snap! :roll:

I change my vote from Stockton. I say we need to re-do the vote for this round.

[Dragonyeuw]

I believe it goes:
1. Jordan
2. Bryant
3. West
4. Drexler
5. Iverson
6. Miller
7. Wade



I think Wade is being highly underrated here, and by large on this board. At worst I'd have him 5th, him and Drexler is arguable though I feel Wade had the better peak play. Can't put either Iverson or Miller over him....

[Snoop_Cat]

The next two should be Reed and Frazier.

Walt "Clyde" Frazier is my vote.

[BoutPractice]

Once again, Wade is getting crazy underrated. Now he's considered worse than not only Clyde Drexler and Allen Iverson, but even Reggie freaking Miller in some people's eyes?
Talk about "what have you done for me lately" voting.

Wade.

(And yes, Willis Reed deserves consideration in those spots. Wade should have been voted earlier though, so this needs to be corrected first)

[WillC]

John Stockton

[Raz]

I think Wade is being highly underrated here, and by large on this board. At worst I'd have him 5th, him and Drexler is arguable though I feel Wade had the better peak play. Can't put either Iverson or Miller over him....

Iverson is an MVP. I'd take Nash over Wade as well.

[Nash]

Wade

[pauk]

Once again, Wade is getting crazy underrated. Now he's considered worse than not only Clyde Drexler and Allen Iverson, but even Reggie freaking Miller in some people's eyes?
Talk about "what have you done for me lately" voting.

Wade.

(And yes, Willis Reed deserves consideration in those spots. Wade should have been voted earlier though, so this needs to be corrected first)

Meh, only the occasional rare poster will say that. Speaking of Reggie, i would take him over anybody in NBA history lol.. my favorite player of all time..

[ganja0710]

willis reed

[ganja0710]

Hm.... we might have officialy done a terrible sin....

We forgot WILLIS REED completely...


.....................W.REED......D.WADE.......
MVP....................1................0......... ....
FMVP..................2................1.......... ...
CHAMP................2................2........... ..
ROTY.................Yes..............No.......... ..
All-Star...............7.................8............ .
All-NBA...............5.................2............
All-Defensive.......1.................3.............
All-Star MVP........1.................1.............


I will have to change my vote to WILLIS REED... I love you Wade, but... damn..
you're right for the first time in your life. how does it feel?

[crisoner]

Once again, Wade is getting crazy underrated. Now he's considered worse than not only Clyde Drexler and Allen Iverson, but even Reggie freaking Miller in some people's eyes?
Talk about "what have you done for me lately" voting.

Wade.

(And yes, Willis Reed deserves consideration in those spots. Wade should have been voted earlier though, so this needs to be corrected first)

When all is said and done Wade will be a top 5 SG.

Reggie I think is 3rd right now. He just never had a team to win it all.
He had good teams but not great. I also give Reggie a huge nod for staying in a small market.

[magictricked]

Reggie Miller

[RRR3]

When all is said and done Wade will be a top 5 SG.

Reggie I think is 3rd right now. He just never had a team to win it all.
He had good teams but not great. I also give Reggie a huge nod for staying in a small market.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :facepalm
MJ
Kobe
West
Wade
Iverson
Drexler
George Gervin


There's many more, too.

[Raz]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :facepalm
MJ
Kobe
West
Wade
Iverson
Drexler
George Gervin


There's many more, too.

You can't be serious.

[tmacman]

Willis Reed should be here. Wade possibly at 30.

I vote for Willis Reed.

[Dragonyeuw]

Iverson is an MVP. I'd take Nash over Wade as well.

Nash has as many MVPs as Shaq and Kobe combined. If that's your logic, not much sense arguing with you further.

As an all-around, more efficient player, Wade is easily better than Iverson. Was Iverson the more explosive scorer? Yeah, but at what cost to team cohesion and efficiency? Wade at his peak was good for 27-30 points on 48-50% shooting. And are you going to bring up MVP awards while completely ignoring that Wade has a finals MVP and two rings where he played a prominent role?

[crisoner]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :facepalm
MJ
Kobe
West
Wade
Iverson
Drexler
George Gervin


There's many more, too.

Yup I would take him third still.
Reggie could hit the 3 like no other and create his own shots down the lane.
Plus Reggie in clutch situations trumps Wade, Iverson, Clyde, and Gervin.

One argument you can make is defense but tell me how those guys have or had a better offensive game them Reggie.

[crisoner]

Here are the top 50 NBA players in 1996...
I will bold who ISH has selected so far...


Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

Nate Archibald

Paul Arizin

Charles Barkley

Rick Barry

Elgin Baylor

Dave Bing

Larry Bird

Wilt Chamberlain

Bob Cousy

Dave Cowens

Billy Cunningham

Dave DeBusschere

Clyde Drexler

Julius Erving

Patrick Ewing

Walt Frazier

George Gervin

Hal Greer

John Havlicek

Elvin Hayes

Magic Johnson

Sam Jones

Michael Jordan

Jerry Lucas

Karl Malone

Moses Malone

Pete Maravich

Kevin McHale

George Mikan

Earl Monroe

Hakeem Olajuwon

Shaquille O'Neal

Robert Parish

Bob Pettit

Scottie Pippen

Willis Reed

Oscar Robertson

David Robinson

Bill Russell

Dolph Schayes

Bill Sharman

John Stockton

Isiah Thomas

Nate Thurmond

Wes Unseld

Bill Walton

Jerry West

Lenny Wilkens

James Worthy

I think I got them all so far....

And of Course Kobe, Duncan, LeBron, KG etc. are now on our list...

[bl2k8]

Stockton

[RRR3]

You can't be serious.
Over Reggie Miller? Yes I can.


Yup I would take him third still.
Reggie could hit the 3 like no other and create his own shots down the lane.
Plus Reggie in clutch situations trumps Wade, Iverson, Clyde, and Gervin.

One argument you can make is defense but tell me how those guys have or had a better offensive game them Reggie.


MJ
Kobe
West

Who are you bumping off for Reggie "18 PPG and nothing else worth noting" Miller? :roll: :roll:

[StateOfMind12]

Vote: Dwyane Wade

http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/09/30/110930112115899325.jpg

[pauk]

you're right for the first time in your life. how does it feel?

My crotch tingles slightly.

[crisoner]

Over Reggie Miller? Yes I can.




MJ
Kobe
West

Who are you bumping off for Reggie "18 PPG and nothing else worth noting" Miller? :roll: :roll:

Put Reggie in place of Wade in Miami....They would have two titles right now.

[pauk]

Over Reggie Miller? Yes I can.




MJ
Kobe
West

Who are you bumping off for Reggie "18 PPG and nothing else worth noting" Miller? :roll: :roll:

...and those points include a gamewinner & mostly 4th quarter points...

Not saying Reggie > Wade, i am just speaking of that comment of yours.

Watching Reggies statsheet doesnt do him justice, he lived for the clutch & playoffs (take a look at his Playoff series numbers and clutch stats/gamewinners/points in the 4th quarter), thats what he lived for...

You hear that phrase "Playoffs & Clutch is what he lived for" amongst many all-time greats... no, Reggie was not like that... Reggie LITERALLY lived for it... He was a guy that would just for the lols let you drop 40 points, have your fun, conserve his energy, think that you are gona win, wait until there is some seconds left.. then go up to you and say "Watch me win this game" and then unleash his "18 PPG" in a hurry and then giving you the choke sign, then walk away and give a compliment to your 40 points... He was a real troll...

Everybody hated his guts, not for just trashtalking like ****... but for being able to back it up... Watching Reggie as the opposing fan was sometimes like watching a Horror movie but where the Villain ends up victorious...

There is a reason Reggie is the only guy that ever got under Jordans skin, many times...

[ThatCoolKid]

Sabonis

[ripthekik]

LEBRON JAMES
:applause: :applause: :applause:
He clearly deserves this

resume:
9 seasons all star
9 seasons of choking and failure
runs away to join a superteam in his prime to stack his odds
but still loses in 2011 to a team with only 1 superstar compared to 3
finally wins in 2012 after going through the easiest teams, having 2 of the east's best players injured, and beating a team with the avg age of 24.

KING JAMES :applause: :applause:

[Owl]

You can't be serious.
He can. Given both derived their value primarily from scoring and Gervin was a four time scoring champion and Miller once finished in the top ten points per game scorers (8th in 1989-90) and both did it on impressive percentages (Miller's being superior when accounting for threes, but on significantly lower usage). Gervin probably created more of his own shots too, rather than getting the ball off picks.
Now Gervin was a lousy defender and Reggie at least gave effort on that end but from all the GOAT type lists I've seen I can't recall one which considered Miller superior (just checked my database and my hunch was correct, and 9 of those lists are since the end of Reggie's career and a few more are after the end of his prime).

[MiamiThrice]

I don't know how you put him over Stockton, Ewing, or Drexler.

I'll take the guy that can actually lead a team to a championship.

http://www.nba.com/media/finals2006/dwade_mvp380.jpg

Wade

[Raz]

I'll take the guy that can actually lead a team to a championship.

http://www.nba.com/media/finals2006/dwade_mvp380.jpg

Wade

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Dwyane+Wade+Joe+Crawford+xzwbvdZCHxmm.jpg

[Raz]

He can. Given both derived their value primarily from scoring and Gervin was a four time scoring champion and Miller once finished in the top ten points per game scorers (8th in 1989-90) and both did it on impressive percentages (Miller's being superior when accounting for threes, but on significantly lower usage). Gervin probably created more of his own shots too, rather than getting the ball off picks.
Now Gervin was a lousy defender and Reggie at least gave effort on that end but from all the GOAT type lists I've seen I can't recall one which considered Miller superior (just checked my database and my hunch was correct, and 9 of those lists are since the end of Reggie's career and a few more are after the end of his prime).

Sorry man, Gervin did nothing other than score and was a career loser. Miller was a born winner and had a much larger effect on the NBA. Mill er was a far better defender, and you would struggle to find any basketball mind that would take Gervin over Miller.

[Eric Cartman]

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Dwyane+Wade+Joe+Crawford+xzwbvdZCHxmm.jpg

^ Butthurt celtic fan.

http://www.imediaconnection.com/images/content/image1.jpg

[magictricked]

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Dwyane+Wade+Joe+Crawford+xzwbvdZCHxmm.jpg
Wade: "No no no, I gave you $200 but you did call that travel on me 10 minutes ago, so you give me back $25 unless you want to blow that whistle in crunch time, BTW I've got a new 3 step I've been working on. you're gonna love it"

[ganja0710]

^ Butthurt celtic fan.

http://www.imediaconnection.com/images/content/image1.jpg
you would post a south park meme. terrible poster watching a terrible show. nothing to see here folks. :oldlol:

[JellyBean]

Elvin "The Big E" Hayes

[WillC]

As a point of reference, please feel free to consult my top 100 players of all-time article (which is a compilation of the rankings of various publications):

http://basketballjournalist.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/ranking-top-100-players-in-nba-history.html

The top 5 highest ranked players who have yet to be voted in are as follows:

- John Stockton
- David Robinson
- Walt Frazier
- Dwyane Wade
- Willis Reed

[Legends66NBA7]

As a point of reference, please feel free to consult my top 100 players of all-time article (which is a compilation of the rankings of various publications):

http://basketballjournalist.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/ranking-top-100-players-in-nba-history.html

The top 5 highest ranked players who have yet to be voted in are as follows:

- John Stockton
- David Robinson
- Walt Frazier
- Dwyane Wade
- Willis Reed

Robinson has been voted in.

[WillC]

Robinson has been voted in.

Thanks for the correction.

In that case:

- John Stockton
- Walt Frazier
- Dwyane Wade
- Willis Reed
- Elvin Hayes

Followed by

- Kevin McHale
- Dave Cowens
- Jason Kidd
- Allen Iverson
- George Gervin

etc.

Should make for some interesting debates.

[Legends66NBA7]

Thanks for the correction.

In that case:

- John Stockton
- Walt Frazier
- Dwyane Wade
- Willis Reed
- Elvin Hayes

Followed by

- Kevin McHale
- Dave Cowens
- Jason Kidd
- Allen Iverson
- George Gervin

etc.

Should make for some interesting debates.

For the guards debate, I see it like this:

Gary Payton vs John Stockton vs Walt Fraizer vs Dwyane Wade vs George Gervin vs Allen Iverson vs Clyde Drexler vs .... at least for next couple of rounds

For the forwards debate, I see it like this:

Elvin Hayes vs Kevin McHale vs Dolph Schayes vs Dominique Wilkins vs... at least for the next couple of rounds

For the centers debate, I see it like this:

Patrick Ewing vs Willis Reed vs Dave Cowens vs Bill Walton vs Nate Thurmond vs Walt Bellamy vs Dwight Howard vs Alonzo Mourning... at least for the next couple of rounds


More guards and centers should be taken next.


Sorry man, Gervin did nothing other than score and was a career loser. Miller was a born winner and had a much larger effect on the NBA.

Yeah, maybe that's why Miller has more championships on his resume... oh wait, no. Both have zero.

Both were career "losers", if were going to talk about winning. And I honestly don't know about "effect" on the NBA. Gervin played some of his earlier years in the ABA, but I would still think he would be much more recognized than Miller.


Miller was a far better defender, and you would struggle to find any basketball mind that would take Gervin over Miller.

Give me Gervin quite easily over Miller.

You say his defense is better, which I won't really argue, but that doesn't put him over Gervin.

Career wise:

Gervin

http://gyazo.com/31e595dfa664598ab0f47a37c772a9bc.png

http://gyazo.com/19fb220089ddb2d740f4185d50ee5391.png

Miller

http://gyazo.com/5698b1d9a31de0dae84134f0f3ef9a55.png

http://gyazo.com/51ee441f57fe3e13240ebf91a007e8b5.png


Raz, just looking at numbers, I don't really see what Miller is doing outside of shooting/defense that puts him over Gervin.

Also, you put your stock into accolades and MVP voting... Then it clearly does become Gervin.

Gervin made 9 All-NBA teams, 5x First Team. Miller made 3 All-NBA team, all of them Third Team.

Gervin has been in the the Top 10 for MVP voting 6 times, Top 5 for MVP voting 4 times, Top 3 for MVP voting 3 times, and a Runner up for MVP 2 times (to Bill Walton and Moses Malone).

Miller ? Has gotten MVP votes 2 times in his career... his highest MVP voting has been 13th place.

Miller has less MVP votes than Darrell Armstrong, Terrell Brandon and a list of others, but he's better than George Gervin ?

It's not even really that close to me. I think your really overrating Miller here.

[RRR3]

For the guards debate, I see it like this:

Gary Payton vs John Stockton vs Walt Fraizer vs Dwyane Wade vs George Gervin vs Allen Iverson vs Clyde Drexler vs .... at least for next couple of rounds

For the forwards debate, I see it like this:

Elvin Hayes vs Kevin McHale vs Dolph Schayes vs Dominique Wilkins vs... at least for the next couple of rounds

For the centers debate, I see it like this:

Patrick Ewing vs Willis Reed vs Dave Cowens vs Bill Walton vs Nate Thurmond vs Walt Bellamy vs Dwight Howard vs Alonzo Mourning... at least for the next couple of rounds


More guards and centers should be taken next.



Yeah, maybe that's why Miller has more championships on his resume... oh wait, no. Both have zero.

Both were career "losers", if were going to talk about winning. And I honestly don't know about "effect" on the NBA. Gervin played some of his earlier years in the ABA, but I would still think he would be much more recognized than Miller.



Give me Gervin quite easily over Miller.

You say his defense is better, which I won't really argue, but that doesn't put him over Gervin.

Career wise:

Gervin

http://gyazo.com/31e595dfa664598ab0f47a37c772a9bc.png

http://gyazo.com/19fb220089ddb2d740f4185d50ee5391.png

Miller

http://gyazo.com/5698b1d9a31de0dae84134f0f3ef9a55.png

http://gyazo.com/51ee441f57fe3e13240ebf91a007e8b5.png


Raz, just looking at numbers, I don't really see what Miller is doing outside of shooting/defense that puts him over Gervin.

Also, you put your stock into accolades and MVP voting... Then it clearly does become Gervin.

Gervin made 9 All-NBA teams, 5x First Team. Miller made 3 All-NBA team, all of them Third Team.

Gervin has been in the the Top 10 for MVP voting 6 times, Top 5 for MVP voting 4 times, Top 3 for MVP voting 3 times, and a Runner up for MVP 2 times (to Bill Walton and Moses Malone).

Miller ? Has gotten MVP votes 2 times in his career... his highest MVP voting has been 13th place.

Miller has less MVP votes than Darrell Armstrong, Terrell Brandon and a list of others, but he's better than George Gervin ?

It's not even really that close to me. I think your really overrating Miller here.
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:
Crisoner/Dirtysanchez: "b-b-b-but Miller>Jerry West and Wade, 3rd best SG ever :cry: "
Raz: "B-b-b-b-but Miller was MO' CLUTHZXORZ DOE!"

[Heilige]

Willis Reed

[WillC]

Legends66NBA7, it's good to see someone mentioning Dolph Schayes. He'll certainly be one of my picks in the near future.

[Legends66NBA7]

Legends66NBA7, it's good to see someone mentioning Dolph Schayes. He'll certainly be one of my picks in the near future.

Would have named more forwards, but like I mentioned, I think more of my selections for guards and centers will go first.

[Deuce Bigalow]

#29 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops Voting

18- Dwyane Wade
7- John Stockton
5- Willis Reed
2- Walt Frazier
1- Steve Nash
1- Patrick Ewing
1- Allen Iverson
1- Reggie Miller
1- Elvin Hayes

[fpliii]

Current Results

18- Dwyane Wade
7- John Stockton
5- Willis Reed
2- Walt Fraizer
1- Steve Nash
1- Patrick Ewing
1- Allen Iverson
1- Reggie Miller
1- Elvin Hayes

there's gonna be a lot of competition for that last top 30 spot

[Sarcastic]

You would have been laughed at unmercifully if you said Stockton was better than Ewing, when they were both playing. It's amazing how history rewrites careers.

[fsvr54]

john stockton

[dyna]

Willis Reed

[funnystuff]

Wade

[dyna]

Thanks for the correction.

In that case:

- John Stockton
- Walt Frazier
- Dwyane Wade
- Willis Reed
- Elvin Hayes

Followed by

- Kevin McHale
- Dave Cowens
- Jason Kidd
- Allen Iverson
- George Gervin

etc.

Should make for some interesting debates.


Where is Wes Unseld?

[Legends66NBA7]

Where is Wes Unseld?

He'll come later, I think. Either makes the cut or is just outside the Top 50.

[Bigsmoke]

I believe it goes:
1. Jordan
2. Bryant
3. West
4. Drexler
5. Iverson
6. Miller
7. Wade
OT, imagine an Oscar Robertson/ Allen Iverson backcourt. Has there ever been a better pairing?

as in "Reggie Miller"

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