Prime Iverson> Prime Kobe

[LosBulls]

Yeah I said it..

Put Kobe on the Sixers and Iverson on the Lakers with Shaq and see what happens.

[tmacattack33]

Iverson was great offensively in his prime, but never good defensively...at all...he was almost a defensive liability to the point where teams would just go to whoever he was guarding even if that player wasn't one of their main offensive options.

Kobe was great on both ends.

Kobe takes this by a good amount.

[imnew09]

LOL? We all know that Iverson was a ballhog as well, but has he ever put up 81 points? NOOOO

[LosBulls]

Answer my question.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Answer my question.

You didn't ask one, tw*t.

[kennethgriffin]

why is every positive kobe thread deleted and every anti-kobe thread left up


fu*ck ISH for letting these idiots run the forum

i think ive had my 2,000th post 30 times already because of jealous kobe hater mods

[Ne 1]

Yeah I said it..

Put Kobe on the Sixers and Iverson on the Lakers with Shaq and see what happens.

I'd take 2001 Kobe over 2001 Iverson. In 8 games without Shaq, Kobe had 32/8/4 on 54 TS%, better values than Iverson that season. Kobe was easily the better defender and as much capable of leading a team on offense as Iverson. And we aren't even talking about peak Kobe here, but basically peak Iverson.

[Dragonyeuw]

This won't end well....

[MiamiThrice]

I'd take 2001 Kobe over 2001 Iverson. In 8 games without Shaq, Kobe had 32/8/4 on 54 TS%, better values than Iverson that season. Kobe was easily the better defender and as much capable of leading a team on offense as Iverson. And we aren't even talking about peak Kobe here, but basically peak Iverson.

From 1996-2004 the Lakers were
With Shaq and Kobe:261-101 (.721)
With Shaq, noKobe: 32-10 (.762)
With Kobe, no Shaq: 23-25 (.479)
With none: 2-6 (.250)

Here are the championship years exclusively
99-00
Shaq, but no Kobe: 15-3 (.833)
Kobe, but no Shaq: 1-1 (.500)
Both of them: 51-10 (.836)

2001:
Shaq, but no Kobe: 11-3 (.786)
Kobe,but no Shaq: 5-3 (.625)
Both of them: 40-20 (.667)

2002:
Shaq, but no Kobe: 2-0 (1.000)
Kobe,but no Shaq: 7-8 (.467)
Both of them: 49-16 (.754)
In ’01-02, LA went 7-8 (.467) when Shaq was out but Kobe played, 2-0 (1.000) when Kobe was out but Shaq played, and 49-16 (.754) together.

Overall the Lakers were 0-1 (.000) with both out, 13-12 (.520) with Shaq out, 28-6 (.823) with Kobe out , and 140-46 (.753) together.

Kobe was merely along for the ride. Without Shaq he would've been in the same place he was in 05,06,07 when he was on his own. The same position Iverson was for his entire career. Getting raped in the first round/missing the playoffs. The Lakers were Shaqs team and they performed even better when Kobe was out.

[chains5000]

No f*cking way.

[CavaliersFTW]

why is every positive kobe thread deleted and every anti-kobe thread left up


fu*ck ISH for letting these idiots run the forum

i think ive had my 2,000th post 30 times already because of jealous kobe hater mods
http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i349/AndreasGranato/Kobe-U-Mad.jpg

[blablabla]

Yeah I said it..

Put Kobe on the Sixers and Iverson on the Lakers with Shaq and see what happens.
thats not prime kobe tho

[KobesFinger]

Putting Prime Iverson on the 01 Lakers is different to putting 23 year old Kobe on the 01 Sixers. A comparison is more accurate IMO:

Iverson WAS the Sixers' offense in '01, and as a result he averaged 31.1/3.8/4.6 on 42/32/81 shooting. He also had DPOY Dikembe Mutombo and 6th Man of the Year Aaron Mckie. Something I think was noteworthy is that he was 3rd in assists on the Sixers behind Eric Snow and McKie, and no other Sixer averaged more than 10FGA to Iverson's 25. He took that Sixers team to the Finals.

When Kobe was the Lakers' offense in '06 and '07, he averaged 33.5/5.5/4.9 on 45/34/86 shooting. His most productive teammate was Lamar Odom. In both years the Lakers lost to the Suns (54-28 in '06, 61-21 in '07). If he had had the 6th Man of the Year (Mike Miller in '06, Leandro Barbosa in '07) and the DPOY (Ben Wallace in '06, Marcus Camby in '07) in either year, one can only imagine how far the Lakers could've gone.

I'd take Kobe.

[GOBB]

Iverson was great offensively in his prime, but never good defensively...at all...he was almost a defensive liability to the point where teams would just go to whoever he was guarding even if that player wasn't one of their main offensive options.

Kobe was great on both ends.

Kobe takes this by a good amount.

Iverson was not a defensively liability in his prime. Cut that nonsense out. Making up stuff.

[INDI]

[QUOTE=MiamiThrice]From 1996-2004 the Lakers were
With Shaq and Kobe:261-101 (.721)
With Shaq, noKobe: 32-10 (.762)
With Kobe, no Shaq: 23-25 (.479)
With none: 2-6 (.250)

Here are the championship years exclusively
99-00
Shaq, but no Kobe: 15-3 (.833)
Kobe, but no Shaq: 1-1 (.500)
Both of them: 51-10 (.836)

2001:
Shaq, but no Kobe: 11-3 (.786)
Kobe,but no Shaq: 5-3 (.625)
Both of them: 40-20 (.667)

2002:
Shaq, but no Kobe: 2-0 (1.000)
Kobe,but no Shaq: 7-8 (.467)
Both of them: 49-16 (.754)
In

[baller562]

[QUOTE=MiamiThrice]From 1996-2004 the Lakers were
With Shaq and Kobe:261-101 (.721)
With Shaq, noKobe: 32-10 (.762)
With Kobe, no Shaq: 23-25 (.479)
With none: 2-6 (.250)

Here are the championship years exclusively
99-00
Shaq, but no Kobe: 15-3 (.833)
Kobe, but no Shaq: 1-1 (.500)
Both of them: 51-10 (.836)

2001:
Shaq, but no Kobe: 11-3 (.786)
Kobe,but no Shaq: 5-3 (.625)
Both of them: 40-20 (.667)

2002:
Shaq, but no Kobe: 2-0 (1.000)
Kobe,but no Shaq: 7-8 (.467)
Both of them: 49-16 (.754)
In

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Lol thats because the lakers had decent shooting guard rotation. Kobe out they can do patchwork with brian shaw, kareem rush, devean george etc.. That can suffice for awhile but over a long season they would eventually land as a 6 or 7 seed.

Who was backing up Shaq though???? Mark Madsen, Medvedenko and Samaki Walker. Im no rocket scientist but it sounds like playing behind kobe was some solid role players while playing behind Shaq was the worst centers in the league

Not to mention the team was built around Shaq. If the main cog is gone then of course the engine will suffer.

Wait, I just read dude's post. Did he say the Lakers performed better when Kobe was out? :roll: They won 3 freaking titles WITH Kobe in!

[chains5000]

Iverson was not a defensively liability in his prime. Cut that nonsense out. Making up stuff.
Maybe not, but Snow was there to cover SGs too. You don't need that with Kobe.

[crisoner]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/421602_237186253070771_568986224_n.jpg

[Poetry]

It's very likely Iverson could have won playing beside Shaq (although you can say that about any number of top players).

You can see that when an older Iverson was paired with Melo, no longer making him the primary focus of opposing defenses, he put up great numbers on solid percentages.

One could only imagine how much better a younger AI would have been playing alongside Shaq.

That said, you have to give the edge to Kobe.

Like a lot of the 90's players, AI's historic ranking will suffer because he was denied a ring.

[GOBB]

Prime AI easily wins a ring with Shaq. Also the duo would have lasted longer than Kobe/Shaq because AI respected him a ton. Whereas Kobe was out for self to prove he was Batman not Robin.

Lots of elite players could have won with Shaq at that position. Tmac, Vince, Ray Allen.

[Kobe 4 The Win]

why is every positive kobe thread deleted and every anti-kobe thread left up


fu*ck ISH for letting these idiots run the forum

i think ive had my 2,000th post 30 times already because of jealous kobe hater mods

It does seem that the Kobe bashing threads are left alone while the pro-Kobe stuff magically disappears.

[D.J.]

Iverson was not a defensively liability in his prime. Cut that nonsense out. Making up stuff.


He may not have been a liability, but he gambled A LOT.

[GOBB]

He may not have been a liability, but he gambled A LOT.

And he was one of the best to do it too. With Shaq behind you? You can afford your perimeter defenders to play more aggressively than they normally would.

[Dictator]

This ish is getting old. Every day we either have a thread about Lebron sucking or Kobe sucking. Everyone stfu.

[eliteballer]

2008. Kobe vs AI. Equal talent to play with. AI gets swept by Kobe in the first round:lol

[kurple]

i agree

[kurple]

2008. Kobe vs AI. Equal talent to play with. AI gets swept by Kobe in the first round:lol
:roll:

[Smoke117]

I can't stand all the idiot Kobe stans on here, but Iverson is the most overrated player in the existence of the league and even I find this ridiculous.

[kurple]

how can anyone call iverson overrated? :S

[Optimus Prime]

The only response this thread deserves:

:kobe:

[GOBB]

I can't stand all the idiot Kobe stans on here, but Iverson is the most overrated player in the existence of the league and even I find this ridiculous.

:roll: Hater

[GOBB]

Smoke remember when I totally took a dump in your water bed?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=274487

Refresh your senses errr memory. Clown.

[Rubio2Gasol]

That Philly team would be a nice fit for Prime Kobe . Wouldn't beat the 01 Lakers obviously but might contend .

That's the type of team I think Kobe wanted for a long time.

I don't think so , but there's not much in it scoring wise

[Mach_3]

Iverson was great offensively in his prime, but never good defensively...at all...he was almost a defensive liability to the point where teams would just go to whoever he was guarding even if that player wasn't one of their main offensive options.

Kobe was great on both ends.

Kobe takes this by a good amount.

:facepalm

[Jacks3]

Career 50+ point games for Iverson--10

Kobe in 2007 alone---10

:lol

[longtime lurker]

Iverson is pretty close, but this is another joke thread to hate on Kobe.

[Bandito]

I think if you take height into consideration what Iverson did all those years with the 76ers downplay everything Kobe did. Iverson was phenomenal, but I don't really take one over the other, I think Iverson is pretty underrated though, he is at least at the same tier as Kobe.

[KOBE143]

:facepalm

[Shih508]

Career 50+ point games for Iverson--10

Kobe in 2007 alone---10

:lol

get career 50+ point game in playoff, you will be shocked how much more AI has done in much fewer game lol

prolly like AI 3 out 70+ game

and Kobe either 0 or 1 out of 200 playoff games he has played.

Kobe always only scored alot against weak opponents. On the other hand, AI performed when it really matters, he's just unlucky never had a team stacked like Kobe always has

[TheeBeast]

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2009-06/47553551.jpg


Could it be true?

[Ne 1]

get career 50+ point game in playoff, you will be shocked how much more AI has done in much fewer game lol

prolly like AI 3 out 70+ game

and Kobe either 0 or 1 out of 200 playoff games he has played.

Kobe always only scored alot against weak opponents. On the other hand, AI performed when it really matters, he's just unlucky never had a team stacked like Kobe always has
I wouldn't be shocked considering AI played in the leastern conference which was at an all-time low in the early 00s.

[Jacks3]

get career 50+ point game in playoff, you will be shocked how much more AI has done in much fewer game lol


I doubt it's as shocking as Kobe having as much 50+ pt games in one season as Iverson had for his entire 14 year career. :oldlol:

Iverson did it when it mattered? Is that why Kobe is the far better post-season performer?

:oldlol:

[shaq2000]

get career 50+ point game in playoff, you will be shocked how much more AI has done in much fewer game lol

50 pt games (http://bkref.com/tiny/bwW5i): AI (3), Kobe (1)

All four games were on great efficiency too, surprisingly. 57.1% for Kobe, and 53.8%/65.6%/65.6% for Iverson.

But Jordan's eight wins.

[Jacks3]

50+ pt games:

Kobe--25
Iverson--10



40+ pt games:

Kobe--114
Iverson--79

LMAO

Not even close. :oldlol:

[Ne 1]

I doubt it's as shocking as Kobe having as much 50+ pt games in one season as Iverson had for his entire 14 year career. :oldlol:

Iverson did it when it mattered? Is that why Kobe is the far better post-season performer?

:oldlol:


Yep. Don't get me wrong, Iverson was a unique talent, one of the best scorers we have seen, and perhaps pound-for-pound one of the greatest players to ever play in the NBA, but he's pretty much living off that 2001 season. I mean outside of that one year he has never been past the 2nd round of the playoffs in his entire career and led his team to 50+ wins once in his whole career (which was that year). Not to mention the East was a vastly inferior conference compared to the West back then.

And although he had a lot of heart and usually gave it his all on the court let's not forget he was often criticized for being selfish, lazy and not being able to get along with his coaches etc.

[SevereUpInHere]

Yeah I said it..

Put Kobe on the Sixers and Iverson on the Lakers with Shaq and see what happens.


Iverson is my favourite player of all time, but Kobe is just better, sorry.

[Coffee Black]

I tell you what, Iverson is severely underrated on these boards. Still not better than Kobe when both were playing at their best, but the guy was incredible at scoring.

I honestly think Iverson has a really good case at being the second best shooting guard since Jordan retired. Yes I said it, even better than Wade.

[LosBulls]

Damn! I'm still green :roll:

[silenc]

Iverson is one of my favorite players, and I agree, he is maybe better offensivly, but Kobe has a total package. Kobe is better, way better.

But if you compare 2001 vs 2001 Ai vs Kobe, then i will take AI.

[Droid101]

Putting Prime Iverson on the 01 Lakers is different to putting 23 year old Kobe on the 01 Sixers. A comparison is more accurate IMO:

Iverson WAS the Sixers' offense in '01, and as a result he averaged 31.1/3.8/4.6 on 42/32/81 shooting. He also had DPOY Dikembe Mutombo and 6th Man of the Year Aaron Mckie. Something I think was noteworthy is that he was 3rd in assists on the Sixers behind Eric Snow and McKie, and no other Sixer averaged more than 10FGA to Iverson's 25. He took that Sixers team to the Finals.

When Kobe was the Lakers' offense in '06 and '07, he averaged 33.5/5.5/4.9 on 45/34/86 shooting. His most productive teammate was Lamar Odom. In both years the Lakers lost to the Suns (54-28 in '06, 61-21 in '07). If he had had the 6th Man of the Year (Mike Miller in '06, Leandro Barbosa in '07) and the DPOY (Ben Wallace in '06, Marcus Camby in '07) in either year, one can only imagine how far the Lakers could've gone.

I'd take Kobe.:applause:

[Whoah10115]

And he was one of the best to do it too. With Shaq behind you? You can afford your perimeter defenders to play more aggressively than they normally would.



I'm gonna disagree with you here. Shaq is not a good enough defender for that. And I don't know that Iverson would have worked well with Shaq. Iverson knew how to play one way, and I don't know that he would have done well playing with a center like Shaq. Shaq is a very good passer, but his offensive game is what it is and I don't see the two of them working well enough to incorporate the rest of the team and go forward.

[ralph_i_el]

Iverson was great offensively in his prime, but never good defensively...at all...he was almost a defensive liability to the point where teams would just go to whoever he was guarding even if that player wasn't one of their main offensive options.

Kobe was great on both ends.

Kobe takes this by a good amount.

seems like an exaggeration. He won a DPOY in college and led the league in steals a few times

[markymark]

Iverson is one of my favorite players, and I agree, he is maybe better offensivly, but Kobe has a total package. Kobe is better, way better.

But if you compare 2001 vs 2001 Ai vs Kobe, then i will take AI.

not just 2001 ;)

[SourPatchKids]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9aadyhdac1rxgaoqo1_250.gif

[D.J.]

seems like an exaggeration. He won a DPOY in college and led the league in steals a few times


He gambled A LOT. He played the passing lanes well, but there were many times he went for a steal and missed. When you're 5'11" 160, you're not locking anyone down.

[Bigsmoke]

i really do not like Kobe but Kobe prime was clearly more impressive.

[tmacattack33]

seems like an exaggeration. He won a DPOY in college and led the league in steals a few times

In college he didn't give up so much size to his opponents.

And they played more zone in college, where Iverson's off the ball and passing lane defense came into play more.

[markymark]

He gambled A LOT. He played the passing lanes well, but there were many times he went for a steal and missed. When you're 5'11" 160, you're not locking anyone down.

Why the need to downplay his D? He was a quick defender, he got his steals not just from the passing lanes - a lot came from those lightning-quick swipes while checking his man.

Ok, let's assume he absolutely sucked at defense, as in he would just stand there with his back facing the defender. Wouldn't his unstoppable, and I mean unstoppable (Stern actually had to fckin change the handchecking rule because absolutely no one could stop him without fouling out or giving up 40) offense be way more than enough to compensate for that? He was a once-in-a-generation beast that lived and breathed basketball.

[CavaliersFTW]

Why the need to downplay his D? He was a quick defender, he got his steals not just from the passing lanes - a lot came from those lightning-quick swipes while checking his man.

Ok, let's assume he absolutely sucked at defense, as in he would just stand there with his back facing the defender. Wouldn't his unstoppable, and I mean unstoppable (Stern actually had to fckin change the handchecking rule because absolutely no one could stop him without fouling out or giving up 40) offense be way more than enough to compensate for that? He was a once-in-a-generation beast that lived and breathed basketball.
:facepalm
Removing hand-check D was to allow players like him more freedom. It wasn't to help the defense - it actually was to cripple the defense

[SpecialQue]

These threads are consistently hilarious.

You can make the case that a number of non-championship players were better than anyone in the top 10, but that's never going to matter because history has declared that certain players have led their teams to championships while others have failed and faded into obscurity. No matter how great Iverson was, over the years more and more players will lead their teams to championships and push him further down the rankings, with him eventually languishing forever in the "almost ran" category with people like Vince Carter.

Meanwhile, the inferior Kobe has solidified himself as one of the greatest players of all time. Will he get bumped out of the top 10 at some point? Probably, but the fact of the matter is, everyone except a handful of people like you will consider him a vastly superior player to Iverson. Authors, journalists, and the public at large will build on this, while eventually only basketball junkies will even remember that Iverson existed.

[LosBulls]

These threads are consistently hilarious.

You can make the case that a number of non-championship players were better than anyone in the top 10, but that's never going to matter because history has declared that certain players have led their teams to championships while others have failed and faded into obscurity. No matter how great Iverson was, over the years more and more players will lead their teams to championships and push him further down the rankings, with him eventually languishing forever in the "almost ran" category with people like Vince Carter.

Meanwhile, the inferior Kobe has solidified himself as one of the greatest players of all time. Will he get bumped out of the top 10 at some point? Probably, but the fact of the matter is, everyone except a handful of people like you will consider him a vastly superior player to Iverson. Authors, journalists, and the public at large will build on this, while eventually only basketball junkies will even remember that Iverson existed.
I said PRIME Kobe and PRIME Iverson you ****ing r3tard. Learn to read.

[guy]

Pains to me say it cause Iverson is one of my favorite players ever while Kobe is the exact opposite, but prime Kobe is better then AI ever was and its not even close.

[LBJFTW]

A 6'1 165# player shitted on an entire league as he won MVP, had the highest ppg, and droped 48 points in a game during the 2001 Finals with a team of Eric Snow, Kukoc, Aaron McKie, Mutombo, Jumaine Jones, and Tyrone Hill.

Wow

I'm not even an A.I. fan, but that was one of the most impressive regular seasons and playoff runs in the history of the league.

Better than prime Kobe height for height and # for #? You bet your ass he was.

[Jacks3]

lol^. height for height? :oldlol:

Prime Iverson isn't even remotely close to prime Bryant.

Seriously. Kobe blows him away in almost ever facet of the game.

Hell, he even blows him away in Iverson's strongest area (scoring).

[SpecialQue]

I said PRIME Kobe and PRIME Iverson you ****ing r3tard. Learn to read.

Someone's pissed that Kobe's leading another potential title contender while Iverson's begging teens in the park to play a pick up game with him.

[EricForman]

Yeah I said it..

Put Kobe on the Sixers and Iverson on the Lakers with Shaq and see what happens.

i'm a big iverson fan and the 01 run is my all time fave basketball memory, but naw, kobe at his peak was a better player than iverson at his peak.

[D.J.]

Why the need to downplay his D? He was a quick defender, he got his steals not just from the passing lanes - a lot came from those lightning-quick swipes while checking his man.


How did I downgrade his D? I gave an accurate description. He played the passing lane well while not able to lock anyone down.



Ok, let's assume he absolutely sucked at defense, as in he would just stand there with his back facing the defender. Wouldn't his unstoppable, and I mean unstoppable (Stern actually had to fckin change the handchecking rule because absolutely no one could stop him without fouling out or giving up 40) offense be way more than enough to compensate for that? He was a once-in-a-generation beast that lived and breathed basketball.


Unstoppable offense??? He shot sub 40% multiple times.

[NumberSix]

Lakers win LESS chips than they did with Kobe. Sixers still don't win any.

[MrWarrior]

Lol thats because the lakers had decent shooting guard rotation. Kobe out they can do patchwork with brian shaw, kareem rush, devean george etc.. That can suffice for awhile but over a long season they would eventually land as a 6 or 7 seed.

Who was backing up Shaq though???? Mark Madsen, Medvedenko and Samaki Walker. Im no rocket scientist but it sounds like playing behind kobe was some solid role players while playing behind Shaq was the worst centers in the league

Further proving Kobe was along for the ride?...

[crisoner]

OK...so these threads existed on these boards back in the early 2000's..saying the same thing etc.

We jump ten years later and some jack off (the OP) still thinks it is a fair debate?

This thread...the subject is dead and has been dead for YEARS.

I would like to say I do like Iverson and I wished his career could of lasted longer but he was a one dimensional player. As soon as his speed was gone...he was gone.

Great player yes but he doesn't come close to be the assassin...the scorer...the defender...the champion that Kobe Bean Bryant was and still is.

/Thread

[LBJFTW]

2001 Top 5 scoring leaders:

1. Allen Iverson 31.4 ppg (MVP)
2. Shaquille O'Neal 27.2 ppg
3. Paul Pierce 26.1 ppg
4. Tracy McGrady 25.6 ppg
5. Tim Duncan 25.5 ppg
6. Kobe Bryant 25.2 ppg

AI shit on the entire league and it took TWO top 10 players of all time (two top 6 scoring leaders of 2001 no less) on the same squad to take down a 165# 6'1 player with mediocre teamates.

Way to go 2001 Lakers. You got 48 points dropped on you by a 165 # player in a FINALS game. :facepalm

When did Kobe ever make it to the finals, win MVP in the same year, and lose because he went up against 2 players that were top 6 in ppg that year?

Had it only been Shaq on that team or Kobe on that team, the 2001 Lakers would have lost. Can't say the inverse would be true for Kobe because he's never demonstrated that he can get to the finals on his own without another guy averaging at least 17.4 ppg during regular season, unlike 6'1, 165# AI did. (While winning MVP the same year much less.)

Put AI on a team in his prime years with a guy that averages at least 17.0 ppg per season and he would have won some chips.

[artex]

c'mon now

[SHAQisGOAT]

Iverson did amazing things but I can't agree with that.

[DirtySanchez]

2001 Top 5 scoring leaders:

1. Allen Iverson 31.4 ppg (MVP)
2. Shaquille O'Neal 27.2 ppg
3. Paul Pierce 26.1 ppg
4. Tracy McGrady 25.6 ppg
5. Tim Duncan 25.5 ppg
6. Kobe Bryant 25.2 ppg

AI shit on the entire league and it took TWO top 10 players of all time (two top 6 scoring leaders of 2001 no less) on the same squad to take down a 165# 6'1 player with mediocre teamates.

Way to go 2001 Lakers. You got 48 points dropped on you by a 165 # player in a FINALS game. :facepalm



When did Kobe ever make it to the finals, win MVP in the same year, and lose because he went up against 2 players that were top 6 in ppg that year?

Had it only been Shaq on that team or Kobe on that team, the 2001 Lakers would have lost. Can't say the inverse would be true for Kobe because he's never demonstrated that he can get to the finals on his own without another guy averaging at least 17.4 ppg during regular season, unlike 6'1, 165# AI did. (While winning MVP the same year much less.)

Put AI on a team in his prime years with a guy that averages at least 17.0 ppg per season and he would have won some chips.

You are an idiot....the East was the JV league back then. Any decent team could make the Finals. The Lakers had a long lay off winning every single game before the Finals. They dropped one to the Sixers because of rust then they won 4 straight.

Iverson dominated the JV East if he was out West he probably wouldn't of made the playoffs.

And Kobe only went to the Finals in 08 winning his reg season MVP and lost to the Big Three at their peak. You know the same team he beat two years later in the Finals for his back to back titles.

Now sit down kid and get your f@cling shine box!!!!

[kNicKz]

2001 Top 5 scoring leaders:

1. Allen Iverson 31.4 ppg (MVP)
2. Shaquille O'Neal 27.2 ppg
3. Paul Pierce 26.1 ppg
4. Tracy McGrady 25.6 ppg
5. Tim Duncan 25.5 ppg
6. Kobe Bryant 25.2 ppg

AI shit on the entire league and it took TWO top 10 players of all time (two top 6 scoring leaders of 2001 no less) on the same squad to take down a 165# 6'1 player with mediocre teamates.

Way to go 2001 Lakers. You got 48 points dropped on you by a 165 # player in a FINALS game. :facepalm

When did Kobe ever make it to the finals, win MVP in the same year, and lose because he went up against 2 players that were top 6 in ppg that year?

Had it only been Shaq on that team or Kobe on that team, the 2001 Lakers would have lost. Can't say the inverse would be true for Kobe because he's never demonstrated that he can get to the finals on his own without another guy averaging at least 17.4 ppg during regular season, unlike 6'1, 165# AI did. (While winning MVP the same year much less.)

Put AI on a team in his prime years with a guy that averages at least 17.0 ppg per season and he would have won some chips.

Great post, Iverson is an all time great

[TheBigVeto]

Duh of course, that goes without saying. Even though both are ball hogs, Iverson is a much better player.

Unfortunately for Iverson, Stern hates him and loves Kobe.

[NumberSix]

Iverson is just flat out too small. It's that simple. If he was 6'5, blah blah blah.

All things considered, Kobe > AI.

[Money 23]

I like Iverson more. He's authentic, not forced, and had incredible heart for a 5'11 SG. His feats given context are more amazing.

But Kobe is easily the better player. By quite a sizable margin, too.

[markymark]

Someone's pissed that Kobe's leading another potential title contender while Iverson's begging teens in the park to play a pick up game with him.

So you're gonna act like Kobe wasn't magically gifted with a supporting cast of Nash, Dwight, Gasol, and Artest with a bench featuring the likes of Jamison, etc...? While Iverson was somehow banished to basketball purgatory (Detroit and Memphis) during his "last" year.

Kobe has had and is having the privilege of being on stacked Laker teams. Late 90s he had NVE, Eddie Jones, Shaq, etc. Early 2k it was Shaq, Horry, Fish (the young one), Fox, plus a solid bench. Now, it's practically a fckin dream team.

Kobe's ****in amazing, no doubt about that. But to say he and AI ain't in the same league is BS. They just had totally different situations since the beginning of their careers.

[markymark]

:facepalm
Removing hand-check D was to allow players like him more freedom. It wasn't to help the defense - it actually was to cripple the defense

My bad - meant zone.

[LBJFTW]

You are an idiot....the East was the JV league back then. Any decent team could make the Finals. The Lakers had a long lay off winning every single game before the Finals. They dropped one to the Sixers because of rust then they won 4 straight.

Iverson dominated the JV East if he was out West he probably wouldn't of made the playoffs.

And Kobe only went to the Finals in 08 winning his reg season MVP and lost to the Big Three at their peak. You know the same team he beat two years later in the Finals for his back to back titles.

Now sit down kid and get your f@cling shine box!!!!

We know you're all excited about seeing Goodfella's on AMC for the first time last night, but which members of "the big three" are on the top 10 of all time list? How many times has Kobe made it to the finals without a top 18ppg teammate? How many teams in the East in 2001 had two players that had higher than 18ppg?

[LBJFTW]

Iverson is just flat out too small. It's that simple. If he was 6'5, blah blah blah.

All things considered, Kobe > AI.

In other words if you were an NBA player in 2001 and lost the MVP and scoring title to small little AI, you should have hung up the shoes right then and there.

[NumberSix]

In other words if you were an NBA player in 2001 and lost the MVP and scoring title to small little AI, you should have hung up the shoes right then and there.
C'mon son. I love AI as much as the next dude, but let's be honest here. Iverson winning the MVP was a joke.

[tpols]

We know you're all excited about seeing Goodfella's on AMC for the first time last night, but which members of "the big three" are on the top 10 of all time list? How many times has Kobe made it to the finals without a top 18ppg teammate? How many teams in the East in 2001 had two players that had higher than 18ppg?
First off ai did that in a very very weak east. Jason Kidd led two teams to the finals that had no 18ppg scorers besides himself.. Vincent Carter took a crappy Toronto team almost as far.. Detroit had no dominant scorers... The east in general was less talented but most of all....

They relied on a lot of great team defenses and one offensive catalyst as their team makeups.. Indiana nj Detroit philly.. All one superstar great D teams. Your whole second scorer argument is completely disingenuous when context is applied.

Iverson would've never sniffed any success in the west in the early 2000s. I do believe he's underrated by fg percentage bashes and his heart talent competition it iv not ss is a ll time great but he just ain't as impact full as some of the best all time.

[jjayfive]

prime kobe >>> Prime iverson... i think most GMs would agree... iverson was a great scorer and perhaps the best little man to ever play the game..

[MiseryCityTexas]

Iverson was great offensively in his prime, but never good defensively...at all...he was almost a defensive liability to the point where teams would just go to whoever he was guarding even if that player wasn't one of their main offensive options.

Kobe was great on both ends.

Kobe takes this by a good amount.


Iverson took risks on defense by playing the passing lanes.

[Bigsmoke]

2001 Top 5 scoring leaders:

1. Allen Iverson 31.4 ppg (MVP)
2. Shaquille O'Neal 27.2 ppg
3. Paul Pierce 26.1 ppg
4. Tracy McGrady 25.6 ppg
5. Tim Duncan 25.5 ppg
6. Kobe Bryant 25.2 ppg

.

those are the 2002 leader and Iverson shot under 40% that year.

[MiseryCityTexas]

I remember the Sixers almost was about to trade Iverson to the Pistons while he was still in his 20s. Prime Iverson on the Pistons would have been epic. Detroit probably would have declared the Bad Boys are back if prime Iverson was traded to the Pistons... He was already passed his prime, selfish, and old when the Pistons finally did get him.

[D.J.]

I remember the Sixers almost was about to trade Iverson to the Pistons while he was still in his 20s. Prime Iverson on the Pistons would have been epic. Detroit probably would have declared the Bad Boys are back if prime Iverson was traded to the Pistons... He was already passed his prime, selfish, and old when the Pistons finally did get him.


I think that was right before they signed Chauncey. Could have been some lineup. Iverson/Hamilton/Prince/Robinson/Wallace with Okur coming off the bench.

[SpecialQue]

So you're gonna act like Kobe wasn't magically gifted with a supporting cast of Nash, Dwight, Gasol, and Artest with a bench featuring the likes of Jamison, etc...? While Iverson was somehow banished to basketball purgatory (Detroit and Memphis) during his "last" year.

Kobe has had and is having the privilege of being on stacked Laker teams. Late 90s he had NVE, Eddie Jones, Shaq, etc. Early 2k it was Shaq, Horry, Fish (the young one), Fox, plus a solid bench. Now, it's practically a fckin dream team.

Kobe's ****in amazing, no doubt about that. But to say he and AI ain't in the same league is BS. They just had totally different situations since the beginning of their careers.

What do you mean "gifted"? You mean the GM and owner of the team he's on actually doing their jobs?

[Jacks3]

They're not in the same league.

Kobe is significantly more efficient.
Kobe is the better scorer and it's not particularly close.
Kobe is the FAR better defender.
Kobe is the much better rebounder.
Kobe is the better passer/play-maker.
Kobe has a far better peak
Kobe has much better +/- numbers.
Kobe has far better longevity.
Far better team success.

I could go on but why bother. Its not even close. :lol

[markymark]

What do you mean "gifted"? You mean the GM and owner of the team he's on actually doing their jobs?

Anybody who knows basketball knows that the Memphis trade was specially gift-wrapped to LA (Kwame for Gasol is simply WTF).

And now with the superteam mentality with one big dog from the east and one from the west, well, you gotta admit Kobe's been pretty fckin lucky with his teams.

[KobesFinger]

Anybody who knows basketball knows that the Memphis trade was specially gift-wrapped to LA (Kwame for Gasol is simply WTF).

And now with the superteam mentality with one big dog from the east and one from the west, well, you gotta admit Kobe's been pretty fckin lucky with his teams.

It was Kwame (expirer), Marc Gasol, picks and pieces such as Javaris Crittenton to Memphis for Pau. Not saying it was an even deal at the time but with the cap space they gained they signed Z-Bo, and Marc became an All-Star.

Kobe wasn't lucky with this Laker team either. Trading the second best C (who LA drafted) for the best isn't a heist. Neither is trading 4 draft picks for an unrestricted FA. That's just Mitch doing a good job. The Lakers are paying $100m in salary this year, its not as if Nash said "I'll play for the minimum".

[markymark]

It was Kwame (expirer), Marc Gasol, picks and pieces such as Javaris Crittenton to Memphis for Pau. Not saying it was an even deal at the time but with the cap space they gained they signed Z-Bo, and Marc became an All-Star.

Kobe wasn't lucky with this Laker team either. Trading the second best C (who LA drafted) for the best isn't a heist. Neither is trading 4 draft picks for an unrestricted FA. That's just Mitch doing a good job. The Lakers are paying $100m in salary this year, its not as if Nash said "I'll play for the minimum".

Yup, management sure did their homework, no doubt. Just wanted to point out that their career supporting casts have been a huge contrast (except for that Smush era). AI had a one-legged Webber, old DC, old Glenn Rob, old Kukoc, old Mutombo, plus other average/decent players throughout his prime. Probably would have won at least one ring with someone like KG on his team.

[KobesFinger]

Yup, management sure did their homework, no doubt. Just wanted to point out that their career supporting casts have been a huge contrast (except for that Smush era). AI had a one-legged Webber, old DC, old Glenn Rob, old Kukoc, old Mutombo, plus other average/decent players throughout his prime. Probably would have won at least one ring with someone like KG on his team.

I don't see where you're going with this, you don't win championships with scrub teams. That's down to the Sixers' FO. And Iverson has been called cancerous many times, who said he would fit well with another star? Look what happened in Denver with Carmelo. The only star he could've gelled with is Tim Duncan, and Kobe would fit better than Iverson would.

[LBJFTW]

Yawn.....I'll just leave this here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OppxKDj44E

Iverson only took that team to the finals because the East was weak?
OK, but what part is not understood about the fact that despite how "weak" it was, the entire conference still got shitted on by a 165# 6'1 player?!

If someone wants to discredit that, then they also have to discredit the Laker team victory over the 76'ers in and of itself. :confusedshrug: After all, it only took two top 10 players of all time on a stacked roster to beat a little 165# 6'1 point guard on a team of scrubs. :oldlol:

[Big#50]

Lol thats because the lakers had decent shooting guard rotation. Kobe out they can do patchwork with brian shaw, kareem rush, devean george etc.. That can suffice for awhile but over a long season they would eventually land as a 6 or 7 seed.

Who was backing up Shaq though???? Mark Madsen, Medvedenko and Samaki Walker. Im no rocket scientist but it sounds like playing behind kobe was some solid role players while playing behind Shaq was the worst centers in the league
Shaq could make any sg look good. Stans won't ever get it.

[Big#50]

Yawn.....I'll just leave this here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OppxKDj44E

Iverson only took that team to the finals because the East was weak?
OK, but what part is not understood about the fact that despite how "weak" it was, the entire conference still got shitted on by a 165# 6'1 player?!

If someone wants to discredit that, then they also have to discredit the Laker team victory over the 76'ers in and of itself. :confusedshrug: After all, it only took two top 10 players of all time on a stacked roster to beat a little 165# 6'1 point guard on a team of scrubs. :oldlol:
Schooling the Stans.

[Big#50]

What do you mean "gifted"? You mean the GM and owner of the team he's on actually doing their jobs?
It's called Los Angeles.

[LakersReign]

Shaq could make any sg look good. Stans won't ever get it.

....which explains why he only won 3 titles with Kobe and 1 with Wade....then....right?:roll:

[Calabis]

They're not in the same league.

Kobe is significantly more efficient.
Kobe is the better scorer and it's not particularly close.
Kobe is the FAR better defender.
Kobe is the much better rebounder.
Kobe is the better passer/play-maker.
Kobe has a far better peak
Kobe has much better +/- numbers.
Kobe has far better longevity.
Far better team success.

I could go on but why bother. Its not even close. :lol

So now being more efficient holds weight :confusedshrug:

And how is he that much of a better scorer..didn't Iverson get 4 scoring titles??

Funny how you mf'ers use this argument, but when its in reference to another player, none of this holds weight

with that said Kobe is the better player, he has more impact on the floor and is the better overall player, this shouldn't be an argument

[Calabis]

Yawn.....I'll just leave this here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OppxKDj44E

Iverson only took that team to the finals because the East was weak?
OK, but what part is not understood about the fact that despite how "weak" it was, the entire conference still got shitted on by a 165# 6'1 player?!

If someone wants to discredit that, then they also have to discredit the Laker team victory over the 76'ers in and of itself. :confusedshrug: After all, it only took two top 10 players of all time on a stacked roster to beat a little 165# 6'1 point guard on a team of scrubs. :oldlol:\

:applause:

Yeah its funny how they call the east weak, yet want to act like their GOD has played against nothing but juggernauts in the Finals

[LBJFTW]

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:applause:

Yeah its funny how they call the east weak, yet want to act like their GOD has played against nothing but juggernauts in the Finals

Sadly, their GOD will never be the Jordan that they wish him to be which is the true GOD of the NBA. There's just no way you can contend with 6 finals appearances and 6 wins to go along with 6 finals MVPs. It's perfection. With that said, Kobe is still a top 10 player of all time despite his lack of perfection and is still ahead of Bron who has one hell of ladder to climb.

Kobe never had the chance to show that he could do what Iverson did which is destroy an entire conference and playoff series. Even if Kobe did, it would not have been nearly as impressive because at the end of the day, the guy was only 165 lbs and it took one of the greatest NBA teams ever assembled to take him down. The truth hurts, but it doesn't make it any less so.

I mean damn, even in the celebration in the Lakers locker room AI jerseys were still being sported:

5:18 in this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsOjdAgwwTs&feature=player_detailpage

[Jacks3]

So now being more efficient holds weight :confusedshrug:
Of course it does. :confusedshrug:


And how is he that much of a better scorer..didn't Iverson get 4 scoring titles??
On terrible efficiency.

Kobe's peak scoring season destroys Iverson's.

So does his 2nd best.

And his 3rd best.

He has 114 40+ pt games to Iverson's 79.

He has 25 50+ pt games to Iverson's 10.

Hell, he had as much 50+ pt games in one season (10) in 07 as Iverson did for his whole career. All on much better efficiency. With a far greater skill-set.


Funny how you mf'ers use this argument, but when its in reference to another player, none of this holds weight
Typical Jordan stan. Bringing him up in a thread that has nothing to do with him.



with that said Kobe is the better player,
And it's not even close.

[Asukal]

Just to spite these Kobe dickriders....

Iverson is better than Kobe and its not even close..... :rolleyes:


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[LBJFTW]

Bah, these kobe fans are just made because AI and Jordan are the only 2 players to ever lead the league in scoring and steals in the same season. Jordan did it 3 times, AI did it twice.

[Big#50]

....which explains why he only won 3 titles with Kobe and 1 with Wade....then....right?:roll:
It's sad to see someone so enamoured with a guy they won't ever know. I was responding to the post that said Rush/Shaw any other guard played well for LA. I was not mentioning your God.

[LakersReign]

It's sad to see someone so enamoured with a guy they won't ever know. I was responding to the post that said Rush/Shaw any other guard played well for LA. I was not mentioning your God.

N-O-N-E of that hot garbage you(big#50) just wasted time to post, has anything to do with your BOGUS claim that Shaq supposedly makes ANY SG look good. And that's simply cuz you(big#50) OBVIOUSLY made it up.(yawn):sleeping

[bizil]

Guys like Isiah, Tiny, Paul, and AI are as good "pound for pound" as any players EVER in the L. But when it comes to those guards like MJ or Kobe, its hard to pick small guards over them. MJ and Kobe could play or defend PG, SG, and SF. Don't get me wrong, I would take AI over several All-Star or HOF 6'4 and up guards. But with all due respect peak value wise, the buck stops with guys like MJ and Kobe. But over a career, guys like AI or Isiah can accumulate resumes that can them the edge GOAT wise over most bigger guards, even if those bigger guards may have been better peak wise.

[Calabis]

Of course it does. :confusedshrug:


On terrible efficiency.


Kobe's peak scoring season destroys Iverson's.

Yet Iverson has more 30 point seasons and scoring titles:oldlol:


So does his 2nd best.

And his 3rd best.

He has 114 40+ pt games to Iverson's 79.

He has 25 50+ pt games to Iverson's 10.

Hell, he had as much 50+ pt games in one season (10) in 07 as Iverson did for his whole career. All on much better efficiency. With a far greater skill-set.

How does this look in the playoffs...who has more 40 point games...I personally don't know, but I know Iverson registered a couple 50 point playoff games and I believe has more 40 point games than Kobe, who has played far more playoff games than Iverson...so this legendary scoring seems to escape Kobe in the playoffs


Typical Jordan stan. Bringing him up in a thread that has nothing to do with him.

LMAO, why because when Jordan fans hit you with the same bullshit you posted ^^^^, it holds no weight against Kobe, but now effiency matters...what happened to the 1 more shot excuse?


And it's not even close.

Pretty sure I said this shouldn't even be a argument, Kobe is the better player


:facepalm

[Jacks3]

Too bad Iverson having more scoring titles doesn't make up for Kobe's far superior peak, efficiency, skill, and much greater rate of 40 and 50+ point games. He has thirty-five more career 40+ pt games and 15! more career 50+ point games. This is while playing on teams that have won 5 titles and been to 7 Finals while A.I has spent his whole career chucking to his heart's content...the only time Kobe had that type of freedom was 2006 and 2007...and that two-year stretch destroys anything Iverson ever manged (34 PPG/57% TS/45 40+ point games/18 50+ point games/5 60+ point games).

And his playoff scoring blows Iverson away, too.

He has 14 40+ point games in the playoffs. That's 3rd all-time.
85 30+ point games. 2nd all-time.

Now look at his best runs:
29.4 PPG/55.5% TS (+3.5% relative to league average) on a Championship team.
32.2 PPG/53% TS (+1.1%).
29 PPG/59% TS (+5%)
33 PPG/56% TS (+3%)
30.1 PPG/58% TS (+4%). NBA Finals.
30.2 PPG/56.2% TS (+2.5%) Championship.
29.2 PPG/57% TS (+3%). Championship.

Each of those runs destroy anything Iverson has ever done once you consider efficiency.

Jordan has nothing to do with this.

:facepalm

[Jacks3]

Bah, these kobe fans are just made because AI and Jordan are the only 2 players to ever lead the league in scoring and steals in the same season. Jordan did it 3 times, AI did it twice.
:oldlol:

[Heavincent]

Iverson was awesome, very under-appreciated player imo, but this isn't close at all. Kobe was better at just about everything.

[markymark]

Bah, these kobe fans are just made because AI and Jordan are the only 2 players to ever lead the league in scoring and steals in the same season. Jordan did it 3 times, AI did it twice.

Yet everyone says he was a horrible defender :oldlol:

[Magic 32]

From 1996-2004 the Lakers were
With Shaq and Kobe:261-101 (.721)
With Shaq, noKobe: 32-10 (.762)
With Kobe, no Shaq: 23-25 (.479)
With none: 2-6 (.250)

Here are the championship years exclusively
99-00
Shaq, but no Kobe: 15-3 (.833)
Kobe, but no Shaq: 1-1 (.500)
Both of them: 51-10 (.836)

2001:
Shaq, but no Kobe: 11-3 (.786)
Kobe,but no Shaq: 5-3 (.625)
Both of them: 40-20 (.667)

2002:
Shaq, but no Kobe: 2-0 (1.000)
Kobe,but no Shaq: 7-8 (.467)
Both of them: 49-16 (.754)
In ’01-02, LA went 7-8 (.467) when Shaq was out but Kobe played, 2-0 (1.000) when Kobe was out but Shaq played, and 49-16 (.754) together.

Overall the Lakers were 0-1 (.000) with both out, 13-12 (.520) with Shaq out, 28-6 (.823) with Kobe out , and 140-46 (.753) together.

Kobe was merely along for the ride. Without Shaq he would've been in the same place he was in 05,06,07 when he was on his own. The same position Iverson was for his entire career. Getting raped in the first round/missing the playoffs. The Lakers were Shaqs team and they performed even better when Kobe was out.

Kobe was primarily out at the end of regular seasons (the usual wear and tear after a long RS), when the Lakers role players were sharp and ready for the playoffs.

What made Kobe’s record without Shaq so pedestrian was almost entirely the product of the opening games of the 2002-03 season, when the Lakers role players were at their absolute worst (both in terms of talent, injuries and motivation). Kobe was tremendous in this stretch but couldn’t prevent the awful start (13-20).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiiDZl72esU

[longtime lurker]

Iverson was awesome, very under-appreciated player imo, but this isn't close at all. Kobe was better at just about everything.

This is all that really needs to be said.

[tmacattack33]

[QUOTE=Magic 32]Kobe was primarily out at the end of regular seasons (the usual wear and tear after a long RS), when the Lakers role players were sharp and ready for the playoffs.

What made Kobe

[Magic 32]

So you're saying that by the end of the season, the Lakers were so good they didn't even need Kobe?

So I guess he wasn't really such a big factor in their playoff success?









...I suppose you want to retract your statement now? :oldlol:

No, they were good enough to win regular season games on a fairly consistent basis. Without Kobe, they would struggle in the playoffs.

Noob.

[LakersReign]

For all his scoring titles, "swagger," braids, tats, hype, etc, the fact of the matter is, Iverson still got shut down by a then unknown Tyrone Lue, in the '01 Finals. That was Iverson's FIRST AND ONLY FINALS FOR HIS ENTIRE CAREER. Trying to compare him to Kobe, is just plain out laughable:roll:

[RRR3]

For all his scoring titles, "swagger," braids, tats, hype, etc, the fact of the matter is, Iverson still got shut down by a then unknown Tyrone Lue, in the '01 Finals. That was Iverson's FIRST AND ONLY FINALS FOR HIS ENTIRE CAREER. Trying to compare him to Kobe, is just plain out laughable:roll:
Two things:
1. Iverson dropped 48 in game 1 LOL @ "shut down". He then scored 23, 35, 35, and 37 in the following 4 games. "Shut down" :rolleyes:
2. How come "Lawd Gawdbe" was too petrified to guard AI? Why did Tyron "Da Scrub" Lue have to do the dirty work? "Gawdbe" turned into a quiverin' mass of jello at the mere thought of trying to stop AI:roll: :roll: :roll:

[LakersReign]

AND.....my(LR) b***h(rrr3) comes running....RIGHT ON CUE!!!!:lol

[RRR3]

AND.....my(LR) b***h(rrr3) comes running....RIGHT ON CUE!!!!:lol
^no response to my FACTS, eh?

[LakersReign]

^no response to my FACTS, eh?

You do realize that Lue was put on AI AFTER Game 1....right? But you wouldn't know anything about that anyway, since you(rrr3) were way too busy watching "Lizzy Mcguire" on Disney, to be worried about the NBA til Lebron showed up in '03:facepalm

Pure dumba**(rrr3)

[RRR3]

You do realize that Lue was put on AI AFTER Game 1....right? But you wouldn't know anything about that anyway, since you(rrr3) were way too busy watching "Lizzy Mcguire" on Disney, to be worried about the NBA til Lebron showed up in '03. Pure dumba**(rrr3):facepalm
Iverson scored 23, 35, 35, 37 on "Mr. Lock Down Lue" :confusedshrug: I'm not impressed. Although compared to the way AI lit up Kobe like a burning christmas tree, I guess Lue did a great job:lol
I started watching the NBA because of T-Mac not LBJ FYI

[RRR3]

Keep trying to save face now after INSISTING on totally embarrassing yourself(rrr3) AS USUAL, and succeeding in doing so....AS USUAL:roll:
Outside of the 23 point game (where he shot like complete shit) Iverson still "got his" against Lue.:confusedshrug: I know comparing Lue's defense to Kobe's "defense" makes it seem like Lue is God himself, but remember when Kobe was on AI, he got torched so bad AI was arrested for arson:oldlol:

[LakersReign]

Outside of the 23 point game (where he shot like complete shit) Iverson still "got his" against Lue.:confusedshrug: I know comparing Lue's defense to Kobe's "defense" makes it seem like Lue is God himself, but remember when Kobe was on AI, he got torched so bad AI was arrested for arson:oldlol:


Two things:
1. Iverson dropped 48 in game 1 LOL @ "shut down". He then scored 23, 35, 35, and 37 in the following 4 games. "Shut down" :rolleyes:

Keeping in mind, anybody who actually watched the game, already knew Lue didn't guard him in Game 1. Talking out his(rr3) a**....AGAIN...AS USUAL.:roll:

Dumba**(rrr3):hammerhead:

[RRR3]

Keeping in mind, anybody who actually watched the game, already knew Lue didn't guard him in Game 1. Dumba**(rrr3):roll:
I know Lue didn't guard him in game 1, it's obvious because Iverson had one of the all-time great finals games. Lue probably would have at least kept Iverson under 40 points, unlike Kobe who got diced up like a Christmas day ham. :roll:


Iverson beat Kobe so bad Reigny still is suffering from shock :lol

[LakersReign]

I know Lue didn't guard him in game 1, it's obvious because Iverson had one of the all-time great finals games. Lue probably would have at least kept Iverson under 40 points, unlike Kobe who got diced up like a Christmas day ham.


Two things:
1. Iverson dropped 48 in game 1 LOL @ "shut down". He then scored 23, 35, 35, and 37 in the following 4 games. "Shut down" :rolleyes:

Riiiiiiight:rolleyes:

So you(rrr3) just posted that cuz you(rrr3) had nothing better to do AS USUAL....then....huh?:applause:

Pure dumba**(rrr3):facepalm

[RRR3]

Riiiiiiight:rolleyes:

So you(rrr3) just posted that cuz you(rrr3) had nothing better to do AS USUAL....then....huh?:facepalm

Pure dumba**(rrr3)
I was wrong about game 1, I can admit that. I'm actually glad I was though, now I get to laugh at your "god" for getting bent over the barrel and ****ed in the ass by AI.:lol

Looks like AI did ok against Lue in games 3-5 tho:confusedshrug:

[Heavincent]

Fantastic thread. Good work guys.

[RRR3]

Fantastic thread. Good work guys.
I'm just having fun messing with reigny btw don't take me seriously ;)

[Heavincent]

I wasn't. This thread is legitimately hilarious with LakersReign going on his typical incoherent rants. He doesn't even talk about basketball.

[LakersReign]

I'm just having fun messing with reigny btw don't take me seriously ;)

So....why are you(rrr3) ALWAYS the one, running away, cryin' like a little b***h(rrr3), and also ALWAYS the one who N-E-E-DS backup....then....huh? Makes sense if you don't think about it:roll:

Oh and by the way, thanks for admitting to trolling, something "good posters with a green bar" SHOULDN'T be doing. OOPS!!!!:facepalm

Pure dumba**(rrr3):hammerhead:

[RRR3]

I wasn't. This thread is legitimately hilarious with LakersReign going on his typical incoherent rants. He doesn't even talk about basketball.
Remember that time you imitated him? :roll: :roll: :roll:
Do you still have that gif of the guy sampling the soup?:oldlol:

[LakersReign]

Yeah...that's right...PRETEND to be some supposed bada**, then run away like a little b***h(rrr3) DESPERATELY looking for backup....like you(rrr3) ALWAYS do, cuz you're(rrr3) "having so much fun":roll:

Pure punk a** b***h(rrr3):applause:

[Heavincent]

Remember that time you imitated him? :roll: :roll: :roll:
Do you still have that gif of the guy sampling the soup?:oldlol:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-4QLO-qy_Ql8/Tzs19X-o_pI/AAAAAAAAbQ4/eDbCYeDHcwM/s1600/FGspoonfulofcinnamon.gif

[LakersReign]

Oh...so I'm supposedly Black now? But, according to rrr3, I'm supposedly a WHITE free-lance journalist by the name of "rob fleming?":wtf:

Pure dumba**(rrr3):hammerhead:

[LosBulls]

....which is exactly why he's(rrr3) ALWAYS the one running away, cryin' like a b***h(rr3), and ALWAYS the one who N-E-E-DS backup. Cuz he's(rrr3) supposedly having so much fun. Makes sense if you don't think about it:roll:
You do realize out of everybody in this thread, the only one mad is you. It seems like your a bit worried about Iverson.

Oh how I would love to go back in time and tell Iverson before the 01 finals started

"Listen here, If you don't win this series you will be benched for the rest of your career and out of the league in 8 years.

That kid riding the bench on the Lakers named Kobe Bryant will go on to shadow your entire legacy completely and the entire next generation of kids will forget about you and everything you did. Everything you did for the game of basketball, the impact you made on young kids, the mvp you earned, will be forgotten and never brung up again.

Guys you are dominating now will go on to be Hall Of Famers while you struggle to get a spot on a D-League Roster.

So either go out there and pour your heart out like you do every single game or might as well retire while your on top."

http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv197/sufrone/allen-1.jpg

[RRR3]

Oh...so I'm supposedly Black now? But, according to rrr3, I'm supposedly a WHITE free-lance journalist by the name of "rob fleming?":wtf:

Pure dumba**(rrr3):hammerhead:
Bitch please, that was left4dead who said you were that guy. STFU I don't care if you're skin is green, you're still the biggest moron of all time.

[RRR3]

You do realize out of everybody in this thread, the only one mad is you. It seems like your a bit worried about Iverson.

Oh how I would love to go back in time and tell Iverson before the 01 finals started

"Listen here, If you don't win this series you will be benched for the rest of your career and out of the league in 8 years.

That kid riding the bench on the Lakers named Kobe Bryant will go on to shadow your entire legacy completely and the entire next generation of kids will forget about you and everything you did. Everything you did for the game of basketball, the impact you made on young kids, the mvp you earned, will be forgotten and never brung up again.

Guys you are dominating now will go on to be Hall Of Famers while you struggle to get a spot on a D-League Roster.

So either go out there and pour your heart out like you do every single game or might as well retire while your on top."

http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv197/sufrone/allen-1.jpg
I think AI played like someone told him that regardless

[LakersReign]

Bitch please, that was left4dead who said you were that guy. STFU I don't care if you're skin is green, you're still the biggest moron of all time.


Yep. Rob Flemminghttp://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?postcount=247&p=7766147

Keep backpeddling:roll:

Funny how I'm supposedly the biggest moron of all time(rrr3) yet you(rr3) still feel COMPELLED to ALWAYS be in here, responding to me. So....that would make you(rrr3)..........?:confusedshrug:

Pure dumba**(rrr3):hammerhead:

[LosBulls]

I think AI played like someone told him that regardless
Sadly he did.. but maybe he would think in his head "Shit..I give it my all regardless and now somebody is telling me to give even more.."

Not only would he be pouring his heart out but he would have a reason to do it.

[Ne 1]

1. Iverson dropped 48 in game 1 LOL @ "shut down". He then scored 23, 35, 35, and 37 in the following 4 games. "Shut down" :rolleyes:


AI shot 18/41 and that was his best shooting game in those Finals (followed it up by shooting 10/29, 12/30, 12/30, 14/32 or 39.6%). Haven't revisited these Finals since I watched them so I don't know how much Kobe defended AI throughout the series, but he hardly went off.



quiverin' mass of jello at the mere thought of trying to stop AI

Really? There's only one game from '00-'03 where AI shot above 45% against the Lakers, and 0 above 50%, most were sub 40%. He shot 37.8% against them in that span, which is even below AI's standards. I would need to watch the games to see how much Kobe guarded AI in each of them, but that tells me enough to say that Kobe was "quivering at trying to stop AI", in fact quite the opposite.

Game of Kobe locking down prime Iverson:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyLg15UIRLY

Iverson held scoreless in the second half, shot 0/11.

[RRR3]

AI shot 18/41 and that was his best shooting game in those Finals (followed it up by shooting 10/29, 12/30, 12/30, 14/32 or 39.6%). Haven't revisited these Finals since I watched them so I don't know how much Kobe defended AI throughout the series, but he hardly went off.



Really? There's only one game from '00-'03 where AI shot above 45% against the Lakers, and 0 above 50%, most were sub 40%. He shot 37.8% against them in that span, which is even below AI's standards. I would need to watch the games to see how much Kobe guarded AI in each of them, but that tells me enough to say that Kobe was "quivering at trying to stop AI", in fact quite the opposite.
I believe very little of what I typed, I was just trolling Lakersreign.

[LakersReign]

AI shot 18/41 and that was his best shooting game in those Finals (followed it up by shooting 10/29, 12/30, 12/30, 14/32 or 39.6%). Haven't revisited these Finals since I watched them so I don't know how much Kobe defended AI throughout the series, but he hardly went off.

AI "went off" in the first game and that was it. He was severely hampered when Lue was put on him. Philly had no other reliable volume scorers, so they lost the next 4 games straight. Anybody who actually watched the '01 Finals already knows this. rrr3 was just talking abut his a**, based solely on his Kobe hate

[Ne 1]

I believe very little of what I typed, I was just trolling Lakersreign.

Oh alright, gotcha. I wouldn't even bother responding to him though considering most of the stuff he posts isn't even coherent.

[RRR3]

Oh alright, gotcha. I wouldn't even bother responding to him though considering most of the stuff he posts isn't even coherent.
I probably shouldn't encourage him, but he cracks me up so much:lol

[LakersReign]

I probably shouldn't encourage him, but he cracks me up so much:lol

...so you're(rrr3) ALWAYS running away, cryin' like a little b***h(rrr3) cuz you're(rrr3) on your period...then....huh?:roll:

Pure dumba**(rr3)

[RRR3]

...so you're(rrr3) ALWAYS running away, cryin' like a little b***h(rrr3) cuz you're(rrr3) on your period...then....huh?:roll:

Pure dumba**(rr3)
:biggums:

[LakersReign]

Yeah....that's right. Got b***hslapped....AS USUAL and all he(rrr3) can do is post a smiley....cuz he's having so much fun, responding to the supposed "biggest moron of all time"(rrr3):rolleyes:


Bitch please, that was left4dead who said you were that guy. STFU I don't care if you're skin is green, you're still the biggest moron of all time.

Pure dumba**(rrr3):hammerhead:

[markymark]

I probably shouldn't encourage him, but he cracks me up so much:lol

I like how he puts your name in parenthesis :)

[therammingman]

hey op, you know how i know ur gay?

[LosBulls]

hey op, you know how i know ur gay?
Well i'm not gay, so theres no way of knowing i'm gay and if what you are trying to get at is that you are gay and want to go out with me because you agree with my basketball opinions then i will have to decline that offer since once again, I am not gay. I am flattered though.

[jongib369]

Well i'm not gay, so theres no way of knowing i'm gay and if what you are trying to get at is that you are gay and want to go out with me because you agree with my basketball opinions then i will have to decline that offer since once again, I am not gay. I am flattered though.
http://gifsoup.com/view3/4126844/bad-notes-o.gif

[LosBulls]

http://gifsoup.com/view3/4126844/bad-notes-o.gif
:roll:

[bdreason]

I love AI, but he wasn't quite on the same level as prime Kobe.




Do I think AI could have won rings with Shaq? Probably.

[jongib369]

:roll:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrOHVigMnlQ

40 seconds :lol

"Bad Notes"

[Smoke117]

I love AI, but he wasn't quite on the same level as prime Kobe.




Do I think AI could have won rings with Shaq? Probably.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :biggums:

[Duncan21formvp]

Yeah I said it..

Put Kobe on the Sixers and Iverson on the Lakers with Shaq and see what happens.
No. I like Iverson but he wasn't better than Kobe. Now if you are saying Iverson 2000-2003 vs Kobe 2000-2003 than that is an interesting comparison.

[LA Lakers]

Man, what a tough question. Prime AI was an absolute beast. Id put Prime AI against ANY player in their prime. But Id also put prime Kobe Bean against ANY player in their prime...

[LA Lakers]

Im taking Kobe. Look what he did during our 01 Playoff run. Not even prime Kobe yet either. Thats how good Kobe Bean is. Iverson aint abusing the Twin Towers the way Kobes did.

[mehyaM24]

Yeah...that's right...PRETEND to be some supposed bada**, then run away like a little b***h(rrr3) DESPERATELY looking for backup....like you(rrr3) ALWAYS do, cuz you're(rrr3) "having so much fun":roll:

Pure punk a** b***h(rrr3):applause:

:oldlol:

sandusky spazzing out again. i made you delete all your posts in that other thread (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=277425&page=5). you like that?