#31 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops

[Deuce Bigalow]

Willis Reed was voted the #30 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops.

18.7 PPG | 12.9 RPG | 1.8 APG

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[MasterDurant24]

Walt Frazier.

[BlackVVaves]

Hmm. Think I may go with John Stockton.

[redhonda76]

Ewing

[Kblaze8855]

Are people aware that if you said Stockton>Ewing in the 80s/90s you might well have been left bleeding in the moonlight by even fans who hated the Knicks?

Certain people get a lot better in retrospect. Im just waiting to see someone start voting Reggie Miller over people the pacers would have traded him, Smits, and Mark Jackson for.

[pauk]

Patrick Ewing.

[IGotACoolStory]

Reed over Hayes for real?

Stockton

[Kblaze8855]

Really...thinking about it?

Would Ewing not likely be considered better than Stockton from like 1981 to 1999?

There are really people that isnt a factor to?

Anyway...off the top of my head these are the only MVPs left:


Cowens
Mcadoo
rose
nash
Iverson
Walton
Unseld

the only players who led title teams and arent picked yet....


Cowens
Whoever you credit for the 04 Pistons
Dennis Johnson/Gus Johnson
Unseld/Hayes
Schayes
Arizin
Bob Davies
Walton


Only players on both lists...

Unseld, Walton, and Cowens. And Cowens won 2 rings and played a full mostly healthy career.

Hes just that...other guy from the 70s.

Then again...Dolph was all NBA like 13 years in a row.

He and cowens did a lot more than I feel anyone cares about which isnt exactly...anyones fault. some guys just dont stand out for this reason or that one.

I just felt the need to write their names.

[Raz]

Ewing

Me, too.

[MisterAmazing]

ewing as well

[colts19]

E. Hayes

[Young X]

Ewing

[Amare4lyfe]

Patrick Ewing

[Deuce Bigalow]

John Stockton

2 Finals appearances
all time assists leader
all time steals leader
9x assists leader
10x allstar
11x all nba (3 first)
5x all defensive (all second)

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Javale McGee

[Deuce Bigalow]

Javale McGee
U mad about something?

[StateOfMind12]

Vote - Walt Frazier, he should be way higher than #31 though.

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

U mad about something?

No.

[Freedom Kid7]

Stockton v Clyde v Fraizer v Kidd. Battle of 'dem guards. I'll go with Stockton

[ganja0710]

john stockton

[dyna]

Elvin Hayes

[ScalabrineStan]

Ewing>Stockton

I vote for Patrick

[hangintheair]

Pistol Pete Maravich

[DirtySanchez]

John Stockton

[WillC]

John Stockton

[Eric Cartman]

John Stockton

[Dragonyeuw]

Ewing

[Smoke117]

John Stockton. Willis Reed should have never been voted before Patrick Ewing.

[Trentknicks]

Ewing

[Clutch]

Ewing

[Deuce Bigalow]

John Stockton
Who's in your avy? Don't recognize who that is.

[INDI]

stockton

[fpliii]

Ewing

[OmniStrife]

Stockton

[Kblaze8855]

In the best season of Stocktons career...1990...straight prime Stockton...27 years old...55 win Jazz team. Ewing was still better. 28/12 or so all nba first team over Hakeem and Drob dropping 50/20 and 40/12 games back to back and putting up 32 and 12 for two months.

Patrick Ewing was considered better than stockton for literally 16 or so years in a row with the only possible exceptions being injured seasons.

But now hes behind John...because of....career totals?

I cant wait till 30 years from now to see the Bs rankings people do on this era that fly in the face of the opinions of the people watching now.

[wally_world]

Steve Nash

[DatAsh]

In the best season of Stocktons career...1990...straight prime Stockton...27 years old...55 win Jazz team. Ewing was still better. 28/12 or so all nba first team over Hakeem and Drob dropping 50/20 and 40/12 games back to back and putting up 32 and 12 for two months.

Patrick Ewing was considered better than stockton for literally 16 or so years in a row with the only possible exceptions being injured seasons.

But now hes behind John...because of....career totals?

I cant wait till 30 years from now to see the Bs rankings people do on this era that fly in the face of the opinions of the people watching now.

The only argument I can see for Stockton over Ewing is if we accept the notion that neither player is talented enough to win as a first option, and therefore we must look to assess their value as a second option.

I can entertain the idea that Stockton is a more valuable second option, but I won't accept the fact that Ewing doesn't cut it as a first option to begin with.

Saying that John Stockton was a better player than Patrick Ewing today is akin to saying that Tony Allen was a better player than Dwight Howard twenty years from now.

What version of Stockton was a better player than 10-11 Howard? What year exactly did John Stockton have a bigger impact than 10-11 Howard? I can name several years for Patrick Ewing in which he had a bigger impact than 10-11 Howard. Can the same be said for Stockton?

[BoutPractice]

Ewing doesn't cut it as a first option?
His defense is legendary, and he also averaged 28.5 points per game one season (21 ppg on 50% throughout his career) so clearly he had offense as well... on top of that, the team he led was one game saving block away (certainly one game away whatever your interpretation of the events) from a championship.

That said, I'm voting Cowens this time. 70s players don't get enough recognition.

[WillC]

Who's in your avy? Don't recognize who that is.

I'll give you a clue.

The player in my avatar is the same person that Wilt Chamberlain is talking to in the wheelchair below at a charity event to raise money for his hospital bills. He had the talent to be one of the all-time greats...

http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m561/Will23C1982/Memorabilia/MauriceStokes.jpg

[silenc]

Clyde Frazier

[silenc]

I'll give you a clue.

The player in my avatar is the same person that Wilt Chamberlain is talking to in the wheelchair below at a charity event to raise money for his hospital bills. He had the talent to be one of the all-time greats...

http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m561/Will23C1982/Memorabilia/MauriceStokes.jpg
One of the saddest stories in NBA.

[JuicyJay78]

Ewing

[Deuce Bigalow]

#31 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops Voting

16- Patrick Ewing
14- John Stockton
3- Elvin Hayes
2- Walt Frazier
1- Pete Maravich
1- Steve Nash
1- Dave Cowens
1- Bill Walton

[Deuce Bigalow]

I'll give you a clue.

The player in my avatar is the same person that Wilt Chamberlain is talking to in the wheelchair below at a charity event to raise money for his hospital bills. He had the talent to be one of the all-time greats...

http://i1132.photobucket.com/albums/m561/Will23C1982/Memorabilia/MauriceStokes.jpg
The url of the image gave it away. Sad story.

[tmacattack33]

Ewing.

[WillC]

The url of the image gave it away. Sad story.

It was incredibly sad and yet, simultaneously, the most uplifting story of kindness and human spirit.

[crisoner]

John Stockton

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/3/9/1/9/9/4/webimg/299611778_o.jpg

[miles berg]

Patrick Ewing

[Deuce Bigalow]

John Stockton and Patrick Ewing are separated by only 1 vote, so I'll give this one a little more time.

[PJR]

Ewing.

[Deuce Bigalow]

John Stockton and Patrick Ewing are tied with 12 votes. 4 PM Pacific is when I'll start #32.

[Kblaze8855]

Just for the hell of it...some quotes posted here a while back:


Ewing's play has been an even more important component of New York's success. "He might be the best in the game right now," Los Angeles's Mychal Thompson told the New York Daily News after Ewing scored 29 points in a 115-104 loss on Dec. 3. "He and Magic [Johnson] are shoulder to shoulder."

''If he doesn't win it, he'll be right there,'' said Magic Johnson, who has won the award twice. ''And if he continues putting up the numbers he's putting up, it's going to be hard for any of us to beat him out.

Quote:
Magic Johnson
''He has taken his game to another level,'' Johnson continued, ''a level I've never seen him play at before. He's dominating offensively and defensively, but he's also making the right plays at the right time. He's leading his team, as opposed to before, when it seemed he'd just as soon let somebody else lead. That's the real mark of an m.v.p.''


Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Jordan
"People are starting to see what a force he can be," Bulls superstar Michael Jordan said. "With the numbers he's putting up and the way he's carrying that team, there's no question he's a top MVP candidate. I don't see anyone better than him right now."


Quote:
Manute Bol
"I've never seen him do better," Bol said. Asked who is the league's best center , he replied: "I would say before Akeem but now Ewing, sure the way he played tonight. His game is different than years His game is different than years ago. He's shooting the outside jump shot and the jump hook."



Not the same tier in their day.....


That said....I cant vote for Ewing just so he wins when I dont think he belongs here. He should beat stockton. But that isnt the issue is it?

I hate that so many vote for the two guys closest when there are so many reasonable picks. It becomes ___ vs ___ and not...who they think it out and select. Which id rather not do.

[rhythmic]

If Patrick Ewing, Karl Malone and Jeff Hornacek were on the same team in the 90's, Jordan would not have all six rings.

Ewing is clearly better then Stockton.
But my vote is for Bill Walton.

[Heilige]

Patrick Ewing

[DaHeezy]

Stockton

This is an accolade driven board. Anybody who puts up that picture of Jordan and his awards should clearly vote for Stockton

[Deuce Bigalow]

OK, now it's tied again. I was just about to start the next thread.
I'll let it go on for a couple of hours longer.

[Kblaze8855]

Stockton

This is an accolade driven board. Anybody who puts up that picture of Jordan and his awards should clearly vote for Stockton

Anyone who cares which player was best for over 15 years shouldnt.

[Gabuyaux]

Stockton

[BlueCrayon]

Ewing.

[crisoner]

John Stockton part 2. :rockon:

[nycelt84]

Elvin Hayes

[Deuce Bigalow]

Stockton and Ewing tied with 14 votes.

[1987_Lakers]

Ewing

[Deuce Bigalow]

John Stockton

2 Finals appearances
all time assists leader
all time steals leader
9x assists leader
10x allstar
11x all nba (3 first)
5x all defensive (all second)
I change my vote to Patrick Ewing.
Stockton had a great long career, but it doesn't seem he was on Ewing's level as a player.

[tmacman]

John stockton

[Stern]

Ewing