Top 10 NBA Player Peaks of All-Time According to ISH

[fpliii]

#1 Michael Jordan 90-93

#2 Shaquille O'Neal 99-02

#3 Wilt Chamberlain 65-68

#4 Hakeem Olajuwon 93-96

#5 Kobe Bryant 06-09

#6 LeBron James 09-12

#7 Larry Bird 84-87

#8 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 77-80

T9 Magic Johnson 87-90

T9 Bill Russell 62-65

T9 Bill Walton 77-78

Thanks for voting everybody! :applause: :applause: :applause:

Feel free to use this thread for postmortem discussion. I have some issue with the order, but this isn't an awful top 10 (11), sequence aside.

[fpliii]

#5-T9 Voting (used final number of votes to finish ranking, since it seems the project was about to head south):

28 - Kobe Bryant 06-09 (LamarOdom, bl2k8, lakerspng, crisoner, rhythmic †hesis, MisterAmazing, Eric Cartman, imdaman99, BuffaloBill, Vertical-24, KOBE143, swag2011, Asiantastic, The Choken One, Ne 1, Kobr, BlueandGold, therammingman, triangleoffense, ripthekik, Punpun, pegasus, MJ23forever, DirtySanchez, BlackJoker23, scm5, SwayDizzle, TheMarkMadsen)
23 - LeBron James 09-12 (LosBulls, pauk, Nash, TheCorporation, Rnbizzle, Poochymama, ScalabrineStan, KingBeasley08, #number6ix#, Hoiids, EnoughSaid, joeyjoejoe, AlonzoGOAT, BrickingStar, LEFT4DEAD, Pacers4ever, po3try, Quickening, arifgokcen, Mr Clutch Melo, lilgodfather1, tommy3, SilkkTheShocker)
10 - Larry Bird 84-87 (AK47DR91, MiamiThrice, dyna, IGotACoolStory, TheBigVeto, ThunderStruk022, scandisk_, KG215, tmacattack33, chains5000)
9 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 77-80 (OldSchoolBBall, chazzy, Hands of Iron, It's A VC3!!!, SuperPippen, REACTION, Doranku, silenc, BlackVVaves)
3 - Bill Russell 62-65 (DatAsh, Duncan21formvp, Thorn)
3 - Magic Johnson 87-90 (Sarcastic, Deuce Bigalow, Freedom Kid7)
3 - Bill Walton 77-78 (fsvr54, G.O.A.T, fpliii)
2 - Arvydas Sabonis ??-?? (ThatCoolKid, Sakkreth)
1 - Elgin Baylor 59-60 (L.Kizzle)
1 - Dirk Nowitzki ??-?? (imgine)
1 - Kevin Garnett ??-?? (M.Bustly15A5RU8) (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=276482)

#4 Voting:

24 - Hakeem Olajuwon 93-96 (millwad, Deuce Bigalow, kennethgriffin, KOBE143, ScalabrineStan, scandisk_, KG215, Hands of Iron, EnoughSaid, joeyjoejoe, imdaman99, Yung D-Will, Andi, BlackJoker23, Young X, IGotACoolStory, MisterAmazing, lilgodfather1, redhonda76, Dominator, Hittin_Shots, silenc, StateOfMind12, tmacattack33)
5 - LeBron James 09-12 (LosBulls, pauk, Nash, TheCorporation, Rnbizzle)
5 - Kobe Bryant 06-09 (LamarOdom, bl2k8, lakerspng, crisoner, rhythmic †hesis)
3 - Larry Bird 84-87 (AK47DR91, MiamiThrice, dyna)
2 - Magic Johnson 87-90 (Sarcastic, Deuce Bigalow)
1 - Bill Russell 62-65 (DatAsh)
1 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 77-80 (OldSchoolBBall)
1 - Elgin Baylor 59-60 (L.Kizzle) (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=276435)

#3 Voting:

22 - Wilt Chamberlain 65-68 (IGotACoolStory, Mr Know It All, Psileas, julizaver, dyna, MisterAmazing, fpliii, IGotACoolStory, magnax1, RoundMoundOfReb, kurple, Hittin_Shots, Stern, Vertical-24, PoochyMama, lilgodfather1, Shade8780, silenc, chains5000, Kiddlovesnets, Freedom Kid7, upside24)
15 - Hakeem Olajuwon 93-96 (millwad, Deuce Bigalow, kennethgriffin, KOBE143, ScalabrineStan, scandisk_, KG215, Hands of Iron, EnoughSaid, joeyjoejoe, imdaman99, Yung D-Will, Andi, BlackJoker23, Young X)
3 - LeBron James 09-12 (LosBulls, pauk, Nash)
2 - Kobe Bryant 06-09 (LamarOdom, bl2k8)
1 - Bill Russell 62-65 (DatAsh)
1 - Larry Bird 84-87 (AK47DR91)
1 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 77-80 (OldSchoolBBall) (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=276397)

#2 Voting:

29 - Shaquille O'Neal 99-02 (lilgodfather1, fpliii, Yao Ming's Foot, lakerspng, imdaman99, upside24, Carbine, RoundMoundOfReb, MiamiThrice, lilblingy, daily, shaq2000, pauk, Hands of Iron, CarlosBoozer, TerranOP, Vertical-24, joeyjoejoe, MisterAmazing, Deuce Bigalow, KOBE143, Hands of Iron, KG215, ScalabrineStan, BlackVVaves, Holy Random, tmacattack33, LosBulls, scandisk_)
5 - Wilt Chamberlain 65-68 (IGotACoolStory, Mr Know It All, Psileas, julizaver, dyna)
1 - Hakeem Olajuwon 93-96 (millwad)
1 - Kobe Bryant 06-09 (LamarOdom)
1 - Bill Russell 62-65 (DatAsh) (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=276387)

#1 Voting:

22 - Michael Jordan 90-93 (Deuce Bigalow, Optimus Prime, KG215, Young X, DatAsh, swi7ch, kuniva_dAMiGhTy, TheMan, Poochymama, tmacattack33, KOBE143, Freedom Kid7, magnax1, Timmy D for MVP, scandisk_, Boston C's, alenleomessi, v1ncelis, Heilige, Owl, KOBE143, AK47DR91)
19 - Shaquille O'Neal 99-02 (lilgodfather1, fpliii, Yao Ming's Foot, lakerspng, imdaman99, upside24, Carbine, RoundMoundOfReb, MiamiThrice, lilblingy, daily, shaq2000, pauk, Hands of Iron, CarlosBoozer, TerranOP, Vertical-24, joeyjoejoe, MisterAmazing)
5 - Wilt Chamberlain 65-68 (IGotACoolStory, Mr Know It All, Psileas, julizaver, dyna)
1 - Hakeem Olajuwon 93-96 (millwad)
1 - Kobe Bryant 06-09 (LamarOdom) (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=276328)

[KG215]

Hey man, sorry I kind of helped lead this getting derailed during the #5 thread. I should've held my tongue and let it go, but it got to a point of beyond ridiculousness.

[fpliii]

Hey man, sorry I kind of helped lead this getting derailed during the #5 thread. I should've held my tongue nd let it go, ut it got to a point of beyond ridiculousness.

eh, it's all good :cheers:

order aside, this isn't a bad 10 (11), though I think Robinson, Duncan, Dr. J (including ABA) all have arguments

[Hands of Iron]

Lots of Mamba boys.

[fpliii]

Lots of Mamba boys.

sweet avatar

[Hands of Iron]

sweet avatar


Yeah, though really limited in size on this particular forum. Especially compared to say, here:
http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?p=13654250#post13654250

That's a nice avatar.

[RRR3]

Mamba boys relentless:roll: :roll: :roll: :facepalm

[G.O.A.T]

Be intersted to see how one year peaks would work out...

My personal top ten under that criteria

1) Wilt '67
2) Shaq '00
3) Jordan '91
4) Walton '77
5) Bird '86
7) Russell '65
8) Magic '87
9) Hakeem '95
10) Doctor J '76


Honorable Mention: Kobe '06, Duncan '03, Kareem '77, Oscar '64, Moses '83

[RRR3]

Be intersted to see how one year peaks would work out...

My personal top ten under that criteria

1) Wilt '67
2) Shaq '00
3) Jordan '91
4) Walton '77
5) Bird '86
7) Russell '65
8) Magic '87
9) Hakeem '95
10) Doctor J '76


Honorable Mention: Kobe '06, Duncan '03, Kareem '77, Oscar '64, Moses '83
No LeBron
http://literalminded.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/futurama_fry_looking_squint.jpg?w=300&h=225

[fpliii]

Be intersted to see how one year peaks would work out...

My personal top ten under that criteria

1) Wilt '67
2) Shaq '00
3) Jordan '91
4) Walton '77
5) Bird '86
7) Russell '65
8) Magic '87
9) Hakeem '95
10) Doctor J '76


Honorable Mention: Kobe '06, Duncan '03, Kareem '77, Oscar '64, Moses '83

perhaps we should rename these threads to 'Top 10 NBA Player Peaks of All-Time According to ISH' then, and start a new poll series for single-year peaks (since the language of 'primes' and 'peaks' is ambiguous, we could go in that direction)?

[Heavincent]

Not a bad list.

[Deuce Bigalow]

No LeBron
http://literalminded.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/futurama_fry_looking_squint.jpg?w=300&h=225
NBA didnt start in 2003-04, kid.

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

I'm dying.

:roll:

[Deuce Bigalow]

perhaps we should rename these threads to 'Top 10 NBA Player Peaks of All-Time According to ISH' then, and start a new poll series for single-year peaks (since the language of 'primes' and 'peaks' is ambiguous, we could go in that direction)?
The mamba boys and the lebron kids will do the same thing in that thread too I'm guessing.

[StateOfMind12]

My personal top 10 since the list voted was pretty poor (not surprising)

1. 91 Jordan
2. 67 Wilt
3. 00 Shaq
4. 94 Hakeem
5. 65 Russell
6. 12 Lebron
7. 86 Bird
8. 87 Magic
9. 77 Kareem
10. 77 Walton
------------------
11. 03 Duncan
12. 08 Kobe
13. 09 Wade
14. 04 Garnett
15. 76 Erving

[Hands of Iron]

My personal top 10 since the list voted was pretty poor (not surprising)

1. 91 Jordan
2. 67 Wilt
3. 00 Shaq
4. 94 Hakeem
5. 65 Russell
6. 12 Lebron
7. 86 Bird
8. 87 Magic
9. 77 Kareem
10. 77 Walton
------------------
11. 03 Duncan
12. 08 Kobe
13. 09 Wade
14. 04 Garnett
15. 76 Erving

Could get down with that for the most part. Though I have 2000 Shaq #1, personally.

[KOBE143]

I cant believe Kobe got voted only at 5, should have been at 2 or at worst top 3.. LeBrick at 6 :facepalm he does not even belong in the top 15.. Fckng LeBrick Stans ruined, derailed and rigged another good thread..

[RRR3]

NBA didnt start in 2003-04, kid.
It's a list of peaks genius, and I'm older than you:oldlol:

[fpliii]

The mamba boys and the lebron kids will do the same thing in that thread too I'm guessing.

well, the picks weren't so bad here, but the order was a little off...assuming we see the same names we should in some order, I don't have a huge problem


My personal top 10 since the list voted was pretty poor (not surprising)

1. 91 Jordan
2. 67 Wilt (up one)
3. 00 Shaq (down one)
4. 94 Hakeem
5. 65 Russell (up three)
6. 12 Lebron
7. 86 Bird
8. 87 Magic (up one)
9. 77 Kareem (down one)
10. 77 Walton (down one)
------------------
11. 03 Duncan (not mentioned)
12. 08 Kobe (down seven)
13. 09 Wade (not mentioned)
14. 04 Garnett (not mentioned)
15. 76 Erving (not mentioned)

they're not that far off, only two guys off by more than one spot


I cant believe Kobe got voted only at 5, should have been at 2 or at worst top 3.. LeBrick at 6 :facepalm he does not even belong in the top 15.. Fckng LeBrick Stans ruined, derailed and rigged another good thread..

hmmmmm...

[KG215]

I cant believe Kobe got voted only at 5, should have been at 2 or at worst top 3.. LeBrick at 6 :facepalm he does not even belong in the top 15.. Fckng LeBrick Stans ruined, derailed and rigged another good thread..

Alright who's alt is this?

[tmacattack33]

Be intersted to see how one year peaks would work out...

My personal top ten under that criteria

1) Wilt '67
2) Shaq '00
3) Jordan '91
4) Walton '77
5) Bird '86
7) Russell '65
8) Magic '87
9) Hakeem '95
10) Doctor J '76


Honorable Mention: Kobe '06, Duncan '03, Kareem '77, Oscar '64, Moses '83

That's basically the same thing.

Someone's peak is one moment in time.

The only reason we were discussing 2 or 3 years for a player is because we wanted to increase our sample size of games.



Anyway, the only player this really even changes things with is Dirk and his ridiculous playoffs last year.

[Freedom Kid7]

Well, it was a valiant effort. We kept the LeBron v Kobe argument away for a while then once #5 started, well :lol

I say next time we do a season peak top 10 or something. Something more specific. If I were to do a top 10 peak, it'd be:
1) Jordan '91
2) Shaq '00/Wilt '67
4) Hakeem '94
5) Here's where it gets tough and my list isn't as definitive. Magic '87
6) Bird '86
7) Duncan '03
8) Russell '65
9) Walton '77
10) LeBron '12

[Hands of Iron]

Is there anybody that does not have Shaquille O'Neal in their Top 3? For single season, back-to-back and three-year "peaks" alike?

[IGotACoolStory]

Is there anybody that does not have Shaquille O'Neal in their Top 3? For single season, back-to-back and three-year "peaks" alike?

(imo) I think Shaq, Wilt, and Jordan separate from 4+. Most should have Shaq in their top 3.

[SuperPippen]

This is a godawful list.

[dyna]

Kobe over Bird, Magic, Kareem??

:biggums:

[MiamiThrice]

1. Shaq '00
2. Wilt '67
3. Bird '86
4. Jordan '91
5. LeBron '12
6. Hakeem '94
7. Kareem '71
8. Duncan '03
9. Robinson '95
10. Wade '09

Speaking strictly peakplay.

[Round Mound]

Kobe over Barkley in Peek Play...Is Really Funny to Hear.

Hakeem and Barkley where Muvch Better than > Shot Jacking Kobe Bryant

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe over Barkley in Peek Play...Is Really Funny to Hear.

Hakeem and Barkley where Muvch Better than > Shot Jacking Kobe Bryant
Why does "shot-jacking" Kobe Bryant have 3 Playoff runs to the NBA Finals where he shot more efficiently than Barkley in his lone Playoff run to the NBA Finals?

Barkley '93 Playoffs: .488 eFG%, .552 TS%

Kobe '08 Playoffs: .514 eFG%, .577 TS%
Kobe '09 Playoffs: .492 eFG%, .564 TS% (won Championship)
Kobe '10 Playoffs: .506 eFG%, .567 TS% (won Championship)

[MiamiThrice]

Why does "shot-jacking" Kobe Bryant have 3 Playoff runs to the NBA Finals where he shot more efficiently than Barkley in his lone Playoff run to the NBA Finals?

Barkley '93 Playoffs: .488 eFG%, .552 TS%

Kobe '08 Playoffs: .514 eFG%, .577 TS%
Kobe '09 Playoffs: .492 eFG%, .564 TS% (won Championship)
Kobe '10 Playoffs: .506 eFG%, .567 TS% (won Championship)

That's not Peak Barkley. Peak Barkley was on Philly. Typical Kobe Bryant teenage fanboy that thinks 93 was the only year Barkley was relevant. Wrong, it was the only year he had a great team around him thus giving him his longest playoff run. He was much better on Philly before he stopped shooting so many threes.

Peak Barkley > Peak Kobe.

[Hands of Iron]

Kobe over Barkley in Peek Play...Is Really Funny to Hear.

Hakeem and Barkley where Muvch Better than > Shot Jacking Kobe Bryant

There's a very major difference between Hakeem and Barkley, however.

[Round Mound]

There's a very major difference between Hakeem and Barkley, however.

Not Much Between 1987-1993. When Chuck Was at His Peek

[ripthekik]

Not Much Between 1987-1993. When Chuck Was at His Peek
:roll: :roll: :roll:
no one hardly mentions chuck in these top 10 lists and this guy is mad :lol

[Hands of Iron]

Not Much Between 1987-1993. When Chuck Was at His Peek

Olajuwon is arguably the greatest defensive anchor since the merger. :(

[Round Mound]

Olajuwon is arguably the greatest defensive anchor since the merger. :(

And Barkley is The Best Offensive Forward in NBA History! Considering Offensive Rating and Usage Ratio...2nd to Magic All Time! (And Magic was a PG who had Everyone at his Side to Create For to Score...While Barkley Had Nobodies But Him to Score While He Was Doubled 5-8-12 FT Away From the Rim)

Hakeem is my Favorite Center BTW.

[Smoke117]

This list sucks. Moses Malone,David Robinson and Charles Barkley had way better peaks than Kobe Bryant. And how the hell is Kobe ahead of kareem and Bird? This list is ****ing stupid as hell. Why even bother with these ridiculous list with all the stans on here.

[greymatter]

Mamba boys relentless:roll: :roll: :roll: :facepalm

Indeed. No version of Kobe has ever been better than any of Lebron's past 4 seasons or Bird's 84-87, yet there he is ahead of both.

[greymatter]

This list sucks. Moses Malone,David Robinson and Charles Barkley had way better peaks than Kobe Bryant. And how the hell is Kobe ahead of kareem and Bird?

For the same stupid reason a rookie Yao Ming was voted to start over Shaq in an ASG.


This list is ****ing stupid as hell. Why even bother with these ridiculous list with all the stans on here.

It's just something to piddle around with while we wait until a new season starts. A better list would have required a detailed explanation to accompany each vote and go through a vetting process by which voters can decide whether the explanation is well-grounded (even if you don't agree with it) before accepting it as a vote (a vote on whether to accept a vote!). It wouldn't weed out all the idiotic votes, but definitely most of them.

[fpliii]

This list sucks. Moses Malone,David Robinson and Charles Barkley had way better peaks than Kobe Bryant. And how the hell is Kobe ahead of kareem and Bird? This list is ****ing stupid as hell. Why even bother with these ridiculous list with all the stans on here.


For the same stupid reason a rookie Yao Ming was voted to start over Shaq in an ASG.



It's just something to piddle around with while we wait until a new season starts. A better list would have required a detailed explanation to accompany each vote and go through a vetting process by which voters can decide whether the explanation is well-grounded (even if you don't agree with it) before accepting it as a vote (a vote on whether to accept a vote!). It wouldn't weed out all the idiotic votes, but definitely most of them.

well, I've listed all of the posters, in the second post with the results and linked the corresponding threads, so every poster can make his/her own decisions as to which votes to count (I don't feel I should act as judge + jury)

needless to say I'm disappointed that the last thread turned into another Kobe-LeBron war and forced me to cut the polling short of the 10 full threads I had initially wanted, but it was just a minor project so it's not a huge deal

[Money 23]

How is Kobe's 2008 - 2010 ranked the 5th greatest peak of all-time?

That three year stretch is only as good as past his prime MJ's 1996 - 1998 run from a statistical perspective.

Yet MJ won 3 rings as opposed to 2 rings. This list is terrible.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Best ones to me are Shaq, Bird, Jordan, Kareem and Hakeem.

[CAstill]

This list sucks. Moses Malone,David Robinson and Charles Barkley had way better peaks than Kobe Bryant. And how the hell is Kobe ahead of kareem and Bird? This list is ****ing stupid as hell. Why even bother with these ridiculous list with all the stans on here.

:roll:

Because you're a horrible poster and your opinion is invalid as it is
pointless. This forum is made for fans why would they not
determine the list as they are the one visiting the site? :confusedshrug:

Anyways no one can have a logical conversation on Kobe
so leave him where he is at.

[Smoke117]

:roll:

Because you're a horrible poster and your opinion is invalid as it is
pointless. This forum is made for fans why would they not
determine the list as they are the one visiting the site? :confusedshrug:

Anyways no one can have a logical conversation on Kobe
so leave him where he is at.

If it was up your dumb ass Shawn Kemp would have the #1 peak.

[CAstill]

If it was up your dumb ass Shawn Kemp would have the #1 peak.


Maybe for PF but not all time that would be Jordan.
Kemp wasn't this horrible player you seem to think he was.
That 96 season plus playoff run we're amazing from him.
Hate all you want. :coleman:

[KOBE143]

The list seems right except for the #6.. That #6 really ruined this thread.. Sad its stop at 10.. Wish OP can still continue this.. I like him as a TS.. He seems unbiased..

[fpliii]

The list seems right except for the #6.. That #6 really ruined this thread.. Sad its stop at 10.. Wish OP can still continue this.. I like him as a TS.. He seems unbiased..

lol well I just wanted a rough idea, the main issue here was the definition of 'peak' (vs prime)

for the next project we're gonna do single-year peaks...I'm gonna start those threads early next week

[Psileas]

#1 Michael Jordan 90-93

#2 Shaquille O'Neal 99-02

#3 Wilt Chamberlain 65-68

#4 Hakeem Olajuwon 93-96

#5 Kobe Bryant 06-09

#6 LeBron James 09-12

#7 Larry Bird 84-87

#8 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 77-80

T9 Magic Johnson 87-90

T9 Bill Russell 62-65

T9 Bill Walton 77-78

Thanks for voting everybody! :applause: :applause: :applause:

Feel free to use this thread for postmortem discussion. I have some issue with the order, but this isn't an awful top 10 (11), sequence aside.

So much for Wilt not being #1 according to most posters due to "not winning enough", but somehow, Russell, with 4 titles, all as his team's best player, 3 MVP's, 2 rebounding titles (also, probably a few seasons as a blocks leader) and while being the inarguably best defender in the league and the arguably best passing big man in the league, loses to just about any other GOAT candidate, even the ones who have less god-like stats than Wilt and more comparable to Russell's, while still winnng less...
Kobe at #5 above Russell, Kareem, Magic, Bird or LeBron is laughable as well, and I'm a Kobe fan. So, let's put it straight: If 2006-09 Kobe is greater than 1987-90 Magic or 1984-87 Bird, what exactly is supposed to be Magic's/Bird's argument overall, career-wise, above Kobe?
Bill Walton's impact in these 2 seasons was impressive, but it seems unfair to me that we're comparing 4 year peaks for any other player to a 2 year peak for him. The margins of peak duration among the competitors should be either 0 or 1 year and I'd pick 1980-83 Moses or 2002-05 Duncan over 1975-78 Walton.

[Yung D-Will]

You should make a best coaches of all time thread, I'd be intrested in seeing where guys like Pop and Riley land. Also with coaches you wouldn't have to deal with the Kobe/Lebron homerism.

[Jacks3]

Kobe from 06-08 put up 32/6/5/2/58% TS/26 PER with 54 different 40+ point games and 20 different 50+ point games. 3X All-NBA 1st Team. NBA MVP.

What's so laughable about him being there? :confusedshrug: