In their prime, Shawn Kemp or Amare Stoudemire?

[D.J.]

Kemp(rough estimate)- 18/11/2/1.5/2 on 53-54%, All-NBA 2nd team/7-8 in MVP/2nd in defensive rating/top 5 in defensive win shares


Amare(rough estimate)- 22/9/2/1/2 on 54-55%, mostly All-NBA 2nd team with 1 All-NBA 1st team/6th in MVP and generally top 10/top 10 in offensive rating/led league in offensive win shares and 2nd one other time


Who would you rather have?

[TheBigVeto]

Kemp.
Amare is the softest PF of all time.

[k-vil]

Kemp.
Amare is the softest PF of all time.
In before this thread turns into Gasoft in the Softest.

[G-train]

Kemp for mine.

[Dasher]

Kemp would have been nice in today's NBA if he could avoid getting T'd up for taunting. The spacing that we see today would give him a lot of run to face up and mash on cats. I'd probably take Kemp over A'mare. This is a close call, and nostalgia might be clouding my judgement.

[wakencdukest]

Kemp, he played bigger. His dunks were angrier.

[swi7ch]

Amare has done nothing even with the 2x MVP in Nash as his PG. Kemp reached the Finals 2x I believe and would have won if he didn't play in the same decade as Jordan.

[FireDavidKahn]

Kemp. Inb4 Amar'e is under rated

[TheeBeast]

Kemp

[bizil]

I think Amare is a better number one option. But I might just have to lean to prime Kemp. Kemp was devastating and to this day might be the most freakish athletic PF of all time. He's a better rebounder, passer, and defender than Amare. Kemp also had a midrange jumper damn near on par with Amare as well as a better handle. I think Amare's eye and knee injuries slowed his freakish athletic shit to a degree. And Kemp's game seemed to stall out in his late 20's and early 30'swhen he should have been at his peak. So Kemp became another what if case, instead the HOFer he should have been.

Believe it or not, I think Amare still has some upside in his game. He still has a shot at the HOF if he can finish out the last 8-10 years of his career strong. In terms of being able to finish like a beast in the paint and combining it with a very nice midrange shot, it seemed Amare, Mcdyess, and Kemp all had that going for them. Hopefully Amare can finish his career strong!

[fsvr54]

Amare has done nothing even with the 2x MVP in Nash as his PG. Kemp reached the Finals 2x I believe and would have won if he didn't play in the same decade as Jordan.

:biggums:

[L.Kizzle]

:biggums:
One NBA Finals 1996.

One pie eating contest Finals circa 2002

[WockaVodka]

Amare, Kemp is overrated.

[PJR]

Amare pre microfracture in the 04-05 season was nasty. I'll take that version of Amare over any version of Kemp.

[G-train]

Amare, Kemp is overrated.

Not at Seattle.

Posters look at ppg, but it was a different league back then.
Kemp would be a 22/10 guy these days.
If anything his athleticism and skills are underrated, he was really a brilliant player in his prime.

[G-train]

Amare pre microfracture in the 04-05 season was nasty. I'll take that version of Amare over any version of Kemp.

Kemp in that situation, with his superior athleticism (yep) and skill, would have been murder.

[Cali Syndicate]

Amare pre microfracture in the 04-05 season was nasty. I'll take that version of Amare over any version of Kemp.

I agree. Amare was nasty before his knee injury. Almost unstoppable around the rim. However his 04-05 season production had a lot to do with Nash coming to the team. Pick n'rolls all day. Amare didn't even have a jumper back then either.

I remember he had a 50 point game that season where he went 20-27, iirc something like 15 of the made fg's were dunks. And then the following game he dropped 34 on 15-19 against Garnett, but again Nash was setting Amare up with open lanes for easy buckets all game.

I'd stll take Kemp though. Stronger on the glass and much better defender. Wasn't too shabby in the paint and above the rim himself.

[SevereUpInHere]

I really didn't get to watch a lot of Kemp, but could anyone see him putting up 37/10 over a series on prime Duncan (yes I know they lost)?

[Cali Syndicate]

I really didn't get to watch a lot of Kemp, but could anyone see him putting up 37/10 over a series on prime Duncan (yes I know they lost)?

Amare and Duncan were going at it that series. Definitely a fun series. But no, I don't see Kemp doing that.

[tmacman]

Amare. Lmao @ people saying Kemp.

[D.J.]

I really didn't get to watch a lot of Kemp, but could anyone see him putting up 37/10 over a series on prime Duncan (yes I know they lost)?


Against Malone in '96, he put up 20/9+ on 69% shooting. That includes game 1 where he put up 21/11 on 10/11 shooting. He also averaged 22/14 against Houston that same year. Kemp wasn't the type to score big points like Amare, but he was a much better defender.

[eliteballer]

I really didn't get to watch a lot of Kemp, but could anyone see him putting up 37/10 over a series on prime Duncan (yes I know they lost)?

If Nash was feeding him the ball, possibly.

[dunksby]

Kemp, a much better defender and rebounder, more dominant.

[G-train]

I really didn't get to watch a lot of Kemp, but could anyone see him putting up 37/10 over a series on prime Duncan (yes I know they lost)?

On that team, in that offence - given he had more skill and is more athletic ability - yes I can.

Taking away a terrible game 3 by Seattle overall, he dropped 25/11 against who many deem the best defender ever, against arguably one of the best defensive teams ever, and arguably one of the best teams ever, in the 96 finals.

I can't see Amare doing that.

[SevereUpInHere]

Against Malone in '96, he put up 20/9+ on 69% shooting. That includes game 1 where he put up 21/11 on 10/11 shooting. He also averaged 22/14 against Houston that same year. Kemp wasn't the type to score big points like Amare, but he was a much better defender.

20/9 isn't in the same realm as 37/10 and Malone isn't the same defender as Duncan is either. Those are great shooting numbers tho. Anyone got the shooting %s of the 05 series, I was having trouble finding them.

[G-train]

20/9 isn't in the same realm as 37/10 and Malone isn't the same defender as Duncan is either. Those are great shooting numbers tho. Anyone got the shooting %s of the 05 series, I was having trouble finding them.

56%

[Mr. Jabbar]

Kemp.
Amare is the softest PF of all time.

this.

thread answered in post #1 :applause:

[G-train]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cTLLsasU8-Q/T9aBRnrnPDI/AAAAAAAABso/RSidWjIHHQk/s1600/kemp+dunks+on+rodman+1.jpg

[28renyoy]

Amare is definitely the better #1 option/scorer, but a team lead by him is going nowhere. Kemp definitely could not be the absolute #1 on a title team, but you can win a title with him as the #2. I'm not sure if the same could be said of Amare.

Kemp was a very good defender and rebounder, 2 things Amare is terrible at. Hell Kemp might have been a top 3 defensive PF at that point in time, and he would probably be the best in today's game assuming KG is considered a C right now.

[brandonislegend]

Amare. Lmao @ people saying Kemp.
Good post, great argument, would read again.

[WockaVodka]

Amare is definitely the better #1 option/scorer, but a team lead by him is going nowhere. Kemp definitely could not be the absolute #1 on a title team, but you can win a title with him as the #2. I'm not sure if the same could be said of Amare.

Kemp was a very good defender and rebounder, 2 things Amare is terrible at. Hell Kemp might have been a top 3 defensive PF at that point in time, and he would probably be the best in today's game assuming KG is considered a C right now.
Kemp was a dumb defender, he was always in foul trouble for a reason.

Kemp was a better rebounder and that was probably it.

[Yung D-Will]

I'm suprised no one mentioned defense.

[Trentknicks]

Enough with this Nash making Amare BS, what has Nash done of value without STAT? Amare was having a MVP level season playing with Felton 'a fat useless' scrub according to ISH. Discrepancy?

[Mr Exlax]

Being that I seen both of them play and I understand basketball, I'll go with Kemp.

[RaininTwos]

Kemp in that situation, with his superior athleticism (yep) and skill, would have been murder.
In a comparison with prime Amare, you are going choose someone because of their superior athleticism?

[greymatter]

Kemp's Seattle teams had a lot more balance on offense with McKey, Payton, and Schrempf. He could have easily been a 25+ppg type scorer if he were in the right situation like Amare was. He was also a very good defender at the PF position. Disregarding mental issues (weight/drugs/etc), Kemp was easily better.

[JohnnySic]

Kemp was better at everything except scoring, and even that wasn't a big gap.

[Smoke117]

Who cares.

[redhonda76]

Kemp. He does everything better except scoring and it's not by much. Amare is the worst defender I have ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSoDkzhcZKk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AZqqYW9DQs

[mark]

Amare has done nothing even with the 2x MVP in Nash as his PG. Kemp reached the Finals 2x I believe and would have won if he didn't play in the same decade as Jordan.


looks like everyone jumps on Amare the fire extinguisher fighter, sad Knick. He used to be phenomenal in his days in Phoenix before the knee injuries, with back to back 40 point plus games. He was a beast. No comparison overall to Kemp, but in the short time he was a phenom.

[jongib369]

Clean Kemp

[OldSchoolBBall]

Kemp could NEVER do what Amare did to Duncan in the '05 playoffs. Never.

[bdreason]

Prime Amare has more offensive weapons, and would be better suited as the 1st option on a team. That said, Kemp was a better defender, better rebounder, and simply a more tenacious player, so I would choose him.




On a solid defensive squad with no offensive threats? I may have to take Amare.

[ZMonkey11]

Enough with this Nash making Amare BS, what has Nash done of value without STAT? Amare was having a MVP level season playing with Felton 'a fat useless' scrub according to ISH. Discrepancy?

Put a scrub ass team on his bad back and almost snuck them into the playoffs. Had small mummers that he should be in the MVP voting. Still shooting over 50%, ~90% FT, and 10+ dimes. Oh did you look at the roster he was working with?

GTFO scrub. You don't follow basketball.

[redhonda76]

Kemp could NEVER do what Amare did to Duncan in the '05 playoffs. Never.

In 05', Duncan was out for a month at end of the season due to a very bad ankle sprained and still dumped 27.4pts/13.8reb on Amare. Duncan couldn't move laterally and Amare still couldn't stop him. Know the facts first.