#34 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops

[Deuce Bigalow]

Walt Frazier was voted the #33 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops.

18.9 PPG | 5.9 RPG | 6.1 APG

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[StateOfMind12]

Vote - The other Clyde, Clyde Drexler.

[TheBigVeto]

Steve Nash

[pauk]

1 x NBA MVP
2 x NBA Champion
NBA Rookie of the Year
7 x NBA All-Star
3 x All-NBA (3 x 2nd)
3 x All-Defensive (1 x 1st, 2 x 2nd)
1 x NBA All-Star MVP
NBA All-Rookie 1st team
NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team
Hall of Fame 91'
Averaged 18/14/4/1/1 for his career


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[JMT]

Elvin Hayes

[CeltsGarlic]

Paul Pierce.

[MasterDurant24]

A lot of people who could go here. I'll go with Walton.

[nycelt84]

Dolph Schayes

[joeyjoejoe]

The glide

[alenleomessi]

drexler already

[L.Kizzle]

Dolph Schayes was dominantin his era. Was an All-Star / All-NBA with Mikan than Johnston than Russell & Chamberlain.

[colts19]

Elvin Hayes

[Heilige]

Dolph Schayes

[DaHeezy]

Bob McAdoo
The guy has had as many accolades as Hakeem and was a multiple scoring champ

[StateOfMind12]

Paul Pierce.
I'll vote for him as soon as Drexler and Nash gets in. Pierce is without a doubt a top 50 player of all-time and I do have him in the 30-40 range in my own personal top 50.

[JellyBean]

George Gervin
http://images.wikia.com/nba/images/2/23/George_Gervin.jpg

[Dragonyeuw]

I'll go Clyde Drexler here.

[L.Kizzle]

I'll vote for him as soon as Drexler and Nash gets in. Pierce is without a doubt a top 50 player of all-time and I do have him in the 30-40 range in my own personal top 50.
Lol

[StateOfMind12]

George Gervin
http://images.wikia.com/nba/images/2/23/George_Gervin.jpg
Too one-dimensional for my liking to be ahead of the likes of Nash, Pierce, Drexler, Payton, etc.. He's in my top 40 though.

[crisoner]

Nate Thurmond

http://nbahoopsonline.com/Articles/top160/photos/nate-thurmond22.jpg

[funnystuff]

Charlie Sheen

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[chips93]

thurmond

[Raz]

Dave Cowens

[Raz]

Charlie Sheen

http://stk.dimemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Charlie-Sheen.jpg

You suck at being funny.

[Legends66NBA7]

Cowens, Hayes, Schayes, or Iverson should take this. (Not a vote)

I don't get the Drexler votes, he should be outside the Top 35, more Top 45 range.

[Raz]

Cowens, Hayes, Schayes, or Iverson should take this. (Not a vote)

I don't get the Drexler votes, he should be outside the Top 35, more Top 45 range.

Cowens deserves this vote.

[WillC]

Dolph Schayes

[pauk]

Just thoroughly checked/compared around 10 players and realised Dave Cowens looks best....

I change my vote to Dave Cowens!!

[G.O.A.T]

Cowens, Reed and Schayes were MVP candidates and best players on Championship teams.

Hard to see them going much lower than this.

Drexler, Hayes those guys are a notch below in terms of their level of stardom, reverence and respect.

My vote is for Walton though. The one guy left who proved he could be the best player in the league and lead a team to the title.

[pauk]

Cowens, Reed and Schayes were MVP candidates and best players on Championship teams.

Hard to see them going much lower than this.

Drexler, Hayes those guys are a notch below in terms of their level of stardom, reverence and respect.

My vote is for Walton though. The one guy left who proved he could be the best player in the league and lead a team to the title.

Reed is already voted in, you maybe mean Wes Unseld? If not, what do you think about him? I feel like he is getting very underrated here, is it maybe because he didnt have such a long career or wasnt such a great scorer i dont know...

[WillC]

Reed is already voted in, you maybe mean Wes Unseld? If not, what do you think about him? I feel like he is getting very underrated here, is it maybe because he didnt have such a long career or wasnt such a great scorer i dont know...

Unseld was great. However, we're only on number 34. His time will come.

I agree with GOAT: the next few picks should be Schayes, Cowens and Walton. I'd then be looking at Unseld and Gervin.

Drexler comes after those guys, as does Elvin Hayes.

People really need to read up on players like Hayes and McAdoo before getting too excited by their stats; McAdoo was a lazy defender and both he and Hayes settled far too much for the jump shot. Both were black holes on offense.

Many insiders complained about Hayes' attitude. Personally, I think he was hilarious and always spoke his mind.

[hangintheair]

Pistol Pete Maravich

[TheWINdyCity]

Clyde "THE GLIDE" Drexler

[Raz]

Clyde "THE GLIDE" Drexler

Dummy.

[MasterDurant24]

Unseld was great. However, we're only on number 34. His time will come.

I agree with GOAT: the next few picks should be Schayes, Cowens and Walton. I'd then be looking at Unseld and Gervin.

Drexler comes after those guys, as does Elvin Hayes.

People really need to read up on players like Hayes and McAdoo before getting too excited by their stats; McAdoo was a lazy defender and both he and Hayes settled far too much for the jump shot. Both were black holes on offense.

Many insiders complained about Hayes' attitude. Personally, I think he was hilarious and always spoke his mind.

Forreal, I've never seen people put McAdoo this high. Imma change my vote on Drexler though, I forgot about Walton. Don't know much about Schayes and while Cowens seemed to be a real gritty, tough player, from what I've seen he wasn't nearly as good as Walton.

Where do you have McHale?

[funnystuff]

You suck at being funny.
RUDE.

[crisoner]

Oh shoot Bill Walton has not been mention yet really. I know he was injured a lot but that title run in Portland.

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[Deuce Bigalow]

I'll count kurple's vote for Allen Iverson since he voted him in that last thread when it was already over.

Lots of variety on this one, 12 players have received a vote. I don't understand Bill Walton getting this much votes this high? So many injuries and missed games, along with only a few elite seasons.

[kurple]

Allen Iverson

MVP
ROY
All Rookie 1st
11 All Star Games (should have been more)
2x All Star MVP
3x NBA 1st
3x NBA 2nd
4x Scoring Champ
#7 in career regular season PPG
#2 in career playoffs PPG

that's more impressive than some guys mentioned

[crisoner]

I'll count kurple's vote for Allen Iverson since he voted him in that last thread when it was already over.

Lots of variety on this one, 12 players have received a vote. I don't understand Bill Walton getting this much votes this high? So many injuries and missed games, along with only a few elite seasons.

I voted for Nate Thurmond...just threw out Walton because I think he should be on the list soon.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Elvin Hayes, easily imo

Should have been named Finals MVP in '78
He averaged 22/12/1 on 58% with 2 bpg
Unseld who won the FMVP averaged 9/12/4 on 52% with 0 bpg
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1978_finals.html

Hayes led the entire Playoffs in points that year.
Hayes led his team in points, rebounds, and blocks in the '78 playoffs when they won the Championship, so he was clearly the best player on the team.

8th all-time on the NBA scoring list with 27,313 points
4th alltime on the NBA rebounding list with 16,279 rebounds
20th all-time in blocks with 1,771

NBA champion (1978)
**Robbed of Finals MVP (1978)
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[Deuce Bigalow]

I voted for Nate Thurmond...just threw out Walton because I think he should be on the list soon.
He put up very impressive numbers in short amount of time

'77 - 19-13-4 and 3.2 blocks/gm in only 35 minutes/gm
'78 - 19-13-5 and 2.5 blocks/gm game in only 33 minute/gm (won MVP)

Was his injuries the reason for the low minutes?

[Kblaze8855]

Unseld who won the FMVP averaged 9/12/4 on 52% with 0 bpg


Ive watched some of those games. Ive watched some of their games together from before that as well(75 for one).

Unseld was the best player in the games I saw. Dude was doing everything...but scoring. I can see why the players voted him MVP in 69. He was a lot better than his numbers. Not that they were poor.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Ive watched some of those games. Ive watched some of their games together from before that as well(75 for one).

Unseld was the best player in the games I saw. Dude was doing everything...but scoring. I can see why the players voted him MVP in 69. He was a lot better than his numbers. Not that they were poor.
So Hayes who led the team in pts, reb, and blks for the Playoffs the year they won, wasn't the best player?
Was Unseld some God-like defender being the reason why he was the best on the team?
Obviously 'm just looking at stats though so I wouldn't know for sure, but when the gap is that big, it seems weird that Unseld was considered better by some.

[fpliii]

voting Drexler, might go Thurmond next

I really don't know what to say about Hayes/Unseld, since I haven't watched a lot of tape of either...I guess I should check out the 78/79 Finals (unfortunately my knowledge only extends back to the 1980 playoffs, the earliest for which we have complete games on youtube, last I checked)

[fsvr54]

elvin hayes

[MiamiThrice]

Pau Gasol
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-2x NBA Champion (2009, 2010)
-Led 2010 Lakers to the championship as the best player
-4 x NBA Allstar
-18.7 PPG, 9.2 RPG 3.2 APG career numbers
-3 All NBA teams
-Two silver medals as the best player
-One of the most skilled bigmen of all-time

[Deuce Bigalow]

Pau Gasol
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.179239!/img/httpImage/image.jpg

-2x NBA Champion (2009, 2010)
-Led 2010 Lakers to the championship as the best player
-4 x NBA Allstar
-18.7 PPG, 9.2 RPG 3.2 APG career numbers
-3 All NBA teams
-Two silver medals as the best player
-One of the most skilled bigmen of all-time
:roll: :oldlol:
good one

[WockaVodka]

Pau Gasol
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.179239!/img/httpImage/image.jpg

-2x NBA Champion (2009, 2010)
-Led 2010 Lakers to the championship as the best player
-4 x NBA Allstar
-18.7 PPG, 9.2 RPG 3.2 APG career numbers
-3 All NBA teams
-Two silver medals as the best player
-One of the most skilled bigmen of all-time
I've always thought Pau Gasol was one of the most underrated players in the game. I think Gasol definitely has a case for this 34th spot. He was a heck of a player and he was huge in those championship Lakers teams as one could argue that he was actually the best player or the real finals MVP in the 2010 one.

[MiamiThrice]

:roll: :oldlol:
good one

Huh?

[funnystuff]

Huh?
Don't ya know? Kobe stans absolutely hate giving Kobes teammates any credit. :lol

[Deuce Bigalow]

I've always thought Pau Gasol was one of the most underrated players in the game. I think Gasol definitely has a case for this 34th spot. He was a heck of a player and he was huge in those championship Lakers teams as one could argue that he was actually the best player or the real finals MVP in the 2010 one.
:roll: :roll: :oldlol:

[MiamiThrice]

Don't ya know? Kobe stans absolutely hate giving Kobes teammates any credit. :lol

Yeah honestly the real Laker fans are cool guys, but the thing is most of them are teenagers that only like the Lakers because of Kobe who underplay every teammate hes ever had whlie overrating his own individual accomplishments.. When he retires they'll most likely become LeBron fans. :oldlol:


:roll: :roll: :oldlol:

Insecure Kobe fan?

Not only was Gasol the best player in the Finals that year, but he was the best throughout the entire playoff run.

Gasol led all NBA players in win shares for the 2010 playoffs with 4.25. He was deemed the most valuable on any team throughout the entire playoffs. Its a pretty incredible accomplishment. During that playoff run LA won the inside battle against all of their opposition because of Gasols ability to generate easy points, protect the rim, and rebound the ball.

[IGOTGAME]

Pau Gasol
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.179239!/img/httpImage/image.jpg

-2x NBA Champion (2009, 2010)
-Led 2010 Lakers to the championship as the best player
-4 x NBA Allstar
-18.7 PPG, 9.2 RPG 3.2 APG career numbers
-3 All NBA teams
-Two silver medals as the best player
-One of the most skilled bigmen of all-time


this made me laugh. thank you for that.

[MiamiThrice]

You can always tell whose a real Laker fan and who is just a Kobe balllicker. The Kobe ball lickers will never give anyone else on the Lakers credit, but will gladly give them all of the blame when the team loses. These are the same guys that live hundreds of miles across the country yet root for the Lakers.

The real Laker fans would appreciate one of this generations best players in Gasol getting praised.

[IGOTGAME]

You can always tell whose a real Laker fan and who is just a Kobe balllicker. The Kobe ball lickers will never give anyone else on the Lakers credit, but will gladly give them all of the blame when the team loses. These are the same guys that live hundreds of miles across the country yet root for the Lakers.

The real Laker fans would appreciate one of this generations best players in Gasol getting praised.

Pau has made 4 All Star Teams and 3 All NBA teams. How does that get him in over people with multiple MVPs, guys who have lead their teams to the finals multiple times, guys who have been 1st team all MVP multiple times, guys who have won Finals MVPs...Im not even mentioning the guys who are simply much better at basketball than him.

This has nothing to do with being a real Laker fan. this has to do with not being a moron.

[MiamiThrice]

Pau has made 4 All Star Teams and 3 All NBA teams. How does that get him in over people with multiple MVPs, guys who have lead their teams to the finals multiple times, guys who have been 1st team all MVP multiple times, guys who have won Finals MVPs...Im not even mentioning the guys who are simply much better at basketball than him.

This has nothing to do with being a real Laker fan. this has to do with not being a moron.

Who else that is left has led their team to a title like Gasol has? And please none of those 50's players that can't even dribble with their left hand. Leading a team to a title in the NBA is the ultimate accomplishment and for doing this Gasol deserves a place in the top 40 players of all-time for sure.

Bill Walton is actually very similar to Gasol. He has higher rebounding numbers because of his era, but I can't put him over Gasol since he only had two relevant reasons while Gasol has been a staple of consistency for nearly a decade now.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Who else that is left has led their team to a title like Gasol has? And please none of those 50's players that can't even dribble with their left hand. Leading a team to a title in the NBA is the ultimate accomplishment and for doing this Gasol deserves a place in the top 40 players of all-time for sure.

Bill Walton is actually very similar to Gasol. He has higher rebounding numbers because of his era, but I can't put him over Gasol since he only had two relevant reasons while Gasol has been a staple of consistency for nearly a decade now.
Gasol has never led a team to a playoff series win, let alone a Title.

[RRR3]

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:facepalm

[IGOTGAME]

Who else that is left has led their team to a title like Gasol has? And please none of those 50's players that can't even dribble with their left hand. Leading a team to a title in the NBA is the ultimate accomplishment and for doing this Gasol deserves a place in the top 40 players of all-time for sure.

Bill Walton is actually very similar to Gasol. He has higher rebounding numbers because of his era, but I can't put him over Gasol since he only had two relevant reasons while Gasol has been a staple of consistency for nearly a decade now.

ok. you are trolling. know you couldnt be that stupid.:cheers:

[RRR3]

ok. you are trolling. know you couldnt be that stupid.:cheers:
You never know on ISH

[tmacman]

I've always thought Pau Gasol was one of the most underrated players in the game. I think Gasol definitely has a case for this 34th spot. He was a heck of a player and he was huge in those championship Lakers teams as one could argue that he was actually the best player or the real finals MVP in the 2010 one.
another RG account :roll:

[tmacman]

I vote for Clyde Drexler.

[WockaVodka]

Gasol has never led a team to a playoff series win, let alone a Title.
Gasol may not have led the Lakers to the title, but he should have been the finals MVP.

[nycelt84]

I'll count kurple's vote for Allen Iverson since he voted him in that last thread when it was already over.

Lots of variety on this one, 12 players have received a vote. I don't understand Bill Walton getting this much votes this high? So many injuries and missed games, along with only a few elite seasons.

Same for me. Having 2 dominant seasons and being injured or average is not even for me to rank a player in a top 40 or 50 even if that player's 2 great seasons rank among the greatest of all time and Walton's 2 dominant seasons do not.

[MiamiThrice]

Gasol has never led a team to a playoff series win, let alone a Title.

I think your referrring to your boy Kobe whose never won a playoff series without Shaq or Gasol :roll: .

The Lakers won the 2010 title with defense and rebounding. The dominant rebounder in the 2010 Finals was Gasol who got key rebound after key rebound in the 4 Lakers wins of that series. Gasol got 19.8%, 15.8%, 16.6%, and 22.0% of total available rebounds in the 4 win Lakers. LA greatly outrebounded Boston in the 4 victories and the biggest reason was Gasols rebounding.

EVERY SINGLE GAME of that series went to the team that won the rebounding battle. This was a series won by defense and rebounding and Gasol bothered Bostons best player KG all series as well, while also playing great help defense on the drivers. All Kobe did was play 10 feet off Rondo because he couldn't stay on him and didn't want to get blown by.

Only an uneducated basketball fan would think Kobe was the better player in this series when he shot 40% for the entire series and 25% in the pivotal Game 7 where Gasol got 18 rebounds. BUT HURR HURR 28 PPG!!! :oldlol:

Gasol had 13 turnovers the entire series and did a phenomal job in the post against one of the premier post defenders in the league. LAs offense was much more fluid working through Gasol in that series.

It's really no surprise that LA went from a .500 first round and out team to a mini-dynasty with the simple addition of Pau Gasol.

[MiamiThrice]

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[IGOTGAME]

I think your referrring to your boy Kobe whose never won a playoff series without Shaq or Gasol :roll: .

The Lakers won the 2010 title with defense and rebounding. The dominant rebounder in the 2010 Finals was Gasol who got key rebound after key rebound in the 4 Lakers wins of that series. Gasol got 19.8%, 15.8%, 16.6%, and 22.0% of total available rebounds in the 4 win Lakers. LA greatly outrebounded Boston in the 4 victories and the biggest reason was Gasols rebounding.

EVERY SINGLE GAME of that series went to the team that won the rebounding battle. This was a series won by defense and rebounding and Gasol bothered Bostons best player KG all series as well, while also playing great help defense on the drivers. All Kobe did was play 10 feet off Rondo because he couldn't stay on him and didn't want to get blown by.

Only an uneducated basketball fan would think Kobe was the better player in this series when he shot 40% for the entire series and 25% in the pivotal Game 7 where Gasol got 18 rebounds. BUT HURR HURR 28 PPG!!! :oldlol:

Gasol had 13 turnovers the entire series and did a phenomal job in the post against one of the premier post defenders in the league. LAs offense was much more fluid working through Gasol in that series.

It's really no surprise that LA went from a .500 first round and out team to a mini-dynasty with the simple addition of Pau Gasol.

Friday night trolling? How old are you?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Gasol may not have led the Lakers to the title, but he should have been the finals MVP.
Gasol was great in the Finals, but you should go back and check the road games at Boston.

[MiamiThrice]

Looks like no Kobe fans can counter any of my arguments.

That's what I ****ing thought.

[WockaVodka]

Gasol was great in the Finals, but you should go back and check the road games at Boston.
Gasol was better overall in the finals than Kobe was. It shouldn't matter whether it's a road game or a home game. The better player in the finals should win the finals MVP.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I think your referrring to your boy Kobe whose never won a playoff series without Shaq or Gasol :roll: .

The Lakers won the 2010 title with defense and rebounding. The dominant rebounder in the 2010 Finals was Gasol who got key rebound after key rebound in the 4 Lakers wins of that series. Gasol got 19.8%, 15.8%, 16.6%, and 22.0% of total available rebounds in the 4 win Lakers. LA greatly outrebounded Boston in the 4 victories and the biggest reason was Gasols rebounding.

EVERY SINGLE GAME of that series went to the team that won the rebounding battle. This was a series won by defense and rebounding and Gasol bothered Bostons best player KG all series as well, while also playing great help defense on the drivers. All Kobe did was play 10 feet off Rondo because he couldn't stay on him and didn't want to get blown by.

Only an uneducated basketball fan would think Kobe was the better player in this series when he shot 40% for the entire series and 25% in the pivotal Game 7 where Gasol got 18 rebounds. BUT HURR HURR 28 PPG!!! :oldlol:

Gasol had 13 turnovers the entire series and did a phenomal job in the post against one of the premier post defenders in the league. LAs offense was much more fluid working through Gasol in that series.

It's really no surprise that LA went from a .500 first round and out team to a mini-dynasty with the simple addition of Pau Gasol.
Kobe was arguably the best player in the world in 2008, 2009, and 2010.
Meanwhile Pau Gasol never received a single MVP vote in his career.

Pau was a great player and did his job well, but your hatred for Kobe has made you retarded.

[G.O.A.T]

one could argue that he was actually the best player or the real finals MVP in the 2010 one.

Not unless one was an idiot or trying to be anti-Kobe.

#34 for Gasol is wholly absurd. At least 40-50 spots to high to even consider him yet.


Gasol was better overall in the finals than Kobe was. It shouldn't matter whether it's a road game or a home game. The better player in the finals should win the finals MVP.

Kobe averaged 10 ppg more than him and was only a few boards behind from the guard spot. Plus he took all the big shots and offense ran through him primarily all series. Gasol was not, in any way, better that series.

[IGOTGAME]

Gasol was better overall in the finals than Kobe was. It shouldn't matter whether it's a road game or a home game. The better player in the finals should win the finals MVP.
What does this have to with this ranking?

Should we start putting Jokes Dumars and James Worthy over Malone and Barkley.

[RRR3]

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[WockaVodka]

What does this have to with this ranking?

Should we start putting Jokes Dumars and James Worthy over Malone and Barkley.
What? What does that have to do with anything? Malone and Barkley have already been enshrined.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Gasol was better overall in the finals than Kobe was. It shouldn't matter whether it's a road game or a home game. The better player in the finals should win the finals MVP.
A 3.6 rpg edge isn't going to beat out a 10.0 ppg difference.

[Deuce Bigalow]

How did you even find those pictures? :wtf:

[WockaVodka]

A 3.6 rpg edge isn't going to beat out a 10.0 ppg difference.
Not everything is a stat, Gasol was the one shutting down KG and altering shots in the paint for the Lakers defense. Plus, Kobe's rebounding numbers are inflated from that game 7, I'm sure heading into game 6, Gasol had a much bigger edge in rebounding.

[MiamiThrice]

What does this have to with this ranking?

Should we start putting Jokes Dumars and James Worthy over Malone and Barkley.

Nope, I never said Gasol was better than Malone or Barkley, but the fact that he led a team to a title deserves praise and the top 40 is an appropiate position for him. Certainly over guys like Dumars/Worthy.

Give me some legit guys you think are better than Gasol. The truth is at 35 there isn't really anyone else who has the abilitiy to lead a team to a title like Gasol did. Bill Walton in his prime was nice, but thats only two years.


Yes I went to prom with a better looking girl than you'll ever date, what's your point?:confusedshrug:

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[WockaVodka]

Yes I went to prom with a better looking girl than you'll ever date, what's your point?:confusedshrug:
Kinda odd that you are bragging about her looks when you covered her face. :oldlol:

[MiamiThrice]

A 3.6 rpg edge isn't going to beat out a 10.0 ppg difference.

Did you even watch the games? It isn't about the numbers.(though if you do want to go that route 40% for Kobe for the SERIES and 25% in Game 7 don't exactly help his case.)

Gasol is in there boxing guys out, getting the REAL rebounds with 5 guys in there competing in the lane. That was a tough hard grit series. It wasn't flashy, and there was a lot of rough play inside. More often than not Gasol dominated that aspect of the game which is why LA won.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Not everything is a stat, Gasol was the one shutting down KG and altering shots in the paint for the Lakers defense. Plus, Kobe's rebounding numbers are inflated from that game 7, I'm sure heading into game 6, Gasol had a much bigger edge in rebounding.
And Gasol's 18 rebounds in Game 7 doesn't inflate his rebounding his stats too? So only if Kobe does it it doesn't count? :facepalm

Heading into game 6 Kobe was averaging about ~30-6-6

[RRR3]

Nope, I never said Gasol was better than Malone or Barkley, but the fact that he led a team to a title deserves praise and the top 40 is an appropiate position for him. Certainly over guys like Dumars/Worthy.

Give me some legit guys you think are better than Gasol. The truth is at 35 there isn't really anyone else who has the abilitiy to lead a team to a title like Gasol did. Bill Walton in his prime was nice, but thats only two years.



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Easy to talk shit hiding behind a username, clown.:oldlol: Don't see you posting your pic, but you probably look something like this
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It really doesn't matter what you think I look like anyways, I'm not concerned about what guys think of my looks :oldlol:


Kinda odd that you are bragging about her looks when you covered her face. :oldlol:
I don't want to put her out there, otherwise I would.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Did you even watch the games? It isn't about the numbers.(though if you do want to go that route 40% for Kobe for the SERIES and 25% in Game 7 don't exactly help his case.)

Gasol is in there boxing guys out, getting the REAL rebounds with 5 guys in there competing in the lane. That was a tough hard grit series. It wasn't flashy, and there was a lot of rough play inside. More often than not Gasol dominated that aspect of the game which is why LA won.
So there's fake rebounds and real rebounds?
:roll:

[MiamiThrice]

Easy to talk shit hiding behind a username, clown.:oldlol: Don't see you posting your pic, but you probably look something like this
http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/visual/whatshot/miami-heat-fan.jpg


It really doesn't matter what you think I look like anyways, I'm not concerned about what guys think of my looks :oldlol:


I don't want to put her out there, otherwise I would.

No offense bro but you are one of the ugliest mother****er I have ever seen. If I didn't know any better I'd assume your mom was a titty waitress at hooters, got pregnant, was fired for her slump in appearance, then couldn't afford an abortion so she had the local kids try and whack her bulging fetus like a pinata. Only you survived and that's how you ended up with such a disfigured face. Either that or you got baptized with scolding hot coffee. I bet if a blind kid felt your face he'd be asking why there's a pizza on this camels ass. shits disgusting bro get it sorted or at least wear a bucket over your head or something. peace

[WockaVodka]

And Gasol's 18 rebounds in Game 7 doesn't inflate his rebounding his stats too? So only if Kobe does it it doesn't count? :facepalm

Heading into game 6 Kobe was averaging about ~30-6-6
Gasol was averaging about 11 rpg heading into game 7 so the difference is even larger. The game 7 definitely helped Kobe more than it helped Pau.

Anyways, I thought Gasol was better because I thought like every time he played well they won. He was the catalyst and the ultimate difference maker. He was also the best player in Game 7 which was the elimination/do-die game.

Too bad everyone already had their minds made up that Kobe was going to win the Finals MVP.

[WockaVodka]

No offense bro but you are one of the ugliest mother****er I have ever seen. If I didn't know any better I'd assume your mom was a titty waitress at hooters, got pregnant, was fired for her slump in appearance, then couldn't afford an abortion so she had the local kids try and whack her bulging fetus like a pinata. Only you survived and that's how you ended up with such a disfigured face. Either that or you got baptized with scolding hot coffee. I bet if a blind kid felt your face he'd be asking why there's a pizza on this camels ass. shits disgusting bro get it sorted or at least wear a bucket over your head or something. peace
:roll: :roll: :roll: ow

[Snoop_Cat]

Dave Cowens

[Pushxx]

Cowens.

[RRR3]

No offense bro but you are one of the ugliest mother****er I have ever seen. If I didn't know any better I'd assume your mom was a titty waitress at hooters, got pregnant, was fired for her slump in appearance, then couldn't afford an abortion so she had the local kids try and whack her bulging fetus like a pinata. Only you survived and that's how you ended up with such a disfigured face. Either that or you got baptized with scolding hot coffee. I bet if a blind kid felt your face he'd be asking why there's a pizza on this camels ass. shits disgusting bro get it sorted or at least wear a bucket over your head or something. peace
This might have been funny if you had actually come up with it yourself.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=No%20offence%20bro...



Pathetic. MiamiSpice(Girl) can't even come up with his own insults and is still too petrified to post his own ugly ass picture.:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Round Mound]

Kevin McHale

[DatAsh]

No offense bro but you are one of the ugliest mother****er I have ever seen. If I didn't know any better I'd assume your mom was a titty waitress at hooters, got pregnant, was fired for her slump in appearance, then couldn't afford an abortion so she had the local kids try and whack her bulging fetus like a pinata. Only you survived and that's how you ended up with such a disfigured face. Either that or you got baptized with scolding hot coffee. I bet if a blind kid felt your face he'd be asking why there's a pizza on this camels ass. shits disgusting bro get it sorted or at least wear a bucket over your head or something. peace

Why should the way someone looks matter at all on a message board like this? Hopefully when you grow up you'll realize how childish all of this sounds.

[Legends66NBA7]

I think Gasol definitely has a case for this 34th spot.

No, he doesn't.

Forget 34th, Gasol would be lucky to get voted in the Top 50.

[MiamiThrice]

No, he doesn't.

Forget 34th, Gasol would be lucky to get voted in the Top 50.

What other player left has been able to lead a team to a title as Gasol has done in 2010? I find it hard to believe you can give me 16 guys that have accomplished a feat such as that. Gasol is definitely top 40 material.


This might have been funny if you had actually come up with it yourself.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=No%20offence%20bro...



Pathetic. MiamiSpice(Girl) can't even come up with his own insults and is still too petrified to post his own ugly ass picture.:roll: :roll: :roll:

This is me bro























































http://oi47.tinypic.com/35ho56c.jpg

What do you think?

[tmacman]

This might have been funny if you had actually come up with it yourself.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=No%20offence%20bro...



Pathetic. MiamiSpice(Girl) can't even come up with his own insults and is still too petrified to post his own ugly ass picture.:roll: :roll: :roll:
:oldlol: nice catch.

what a tool.

[Legends66NBA7]

Easy to talk shit hiding behind a username, clown.

ISH in a nutshell.

[MiamiThrice]

ISH in a nutshell.

Still waiting for that list of 16 players remaining that led their team to a title.

Inb4 no list is provided.

[coin24]

The worm:bowdown:

[WockaVodka]

My vote goes to Bill Walton

[dyna]

Elvin Hayes

[G.O.A.T]

Elvin Hayes

Why Hayes over Walton, or Unseld for that matter?

[RRR3]

ISH in a nutshell.
Internet gangstas (or "e-thugs" heh heh http://www.millerfilm.com/spacelinks/wink_emoticon.bmp) are the worst.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Current Results

6- Clyde Drexler
5- Elvin Hayes
4- Dave Cowens
4- Dolph Schayes
3- Bill Walton
2- Nate Thurmond
1- Steve Nash
1- Paul Pierce
1- Bob McAdoo
1- George Gervin
1- Pete Maravich
1- Allen Iverson
1- Kevin McHale
1- Dennis Rodman

[Legends66NBA7]

Drexler is actually in the lead ? If he wins this, he's too high IMO.

But this could go to 3 or 4 other players... as it should.

[WockaVodka]

Current Results

6- Clyde Drexler
5- Elvin Hayes
4- Dave Cowens
4- Dolph Schayes
3- Bill Walton
2- Nate Thurmond
1- Steve Nash
1- Paul Pierce
1- Bob McAdoo
1- George Gervin
1- Pete Maravich
1- Allen Iverson
1- Kevin McHale
1- Dennis Rodman
How come you count Dennis Rodman's vote but not Gasol's? Gasol was better than Rodman, yet you consider Gasol a troll vote but not Rodman? Double standard FTL.

[coin24]

How come you count Dennis Rodman's vote but not Gasol's? Gasol was better than Rodman, yet you consider Gasol a troll vote but not Rodman? Double standard FTL.


Gasol over Rodman??? On what planet???

Rodman is one of the best rebounder and defenders vs a fu*king sook who goes MIA in the playoffs??? AND im a Lakers fan:lol

[therammingman]

payton??

[Deuce Bigalow]

How come you count Dennis Rodman's vote but not Gasol's? Gasol was better than Rodman, yet you consider Gasol a troll vote but not Rodman? Double standard FTL.
Slam Top 500 '11 issue has Rodman 48, Pau 97. :confusedshrug:

[Legends66NBA7]

Were not doing Slam's list, were doing the ISH 2012 list.

All votes should be counted for, even if they are a little off (Rodman's a tough pick too. I do and I don't see him in the Top 50... it all comes down to everyone's opinion, really. Subjective lists).

[WillC]

Current Results

6- Clyde Drexler
5- Elvin Hayes
4- Dave Cowens
4- Dolph Schayes
3- Bill Walton
2- Nate Thurmond
1- Steve Nash
1- Paul Pierce
1- Bob McAdoo
1- George Gervin
1- Pete Maravich
1- Allen Iverson
1- Kevin McHale
1- Dennis Rodman

These rankings were going well but are about to take a turn for the worst.

Drexler over Walton, Cowens, Schayes, etc? Are you kidding?

Meanwhile, all the people who are voting for Hayes are showing themselves up: all you see are the stats. You've clearly never seen him play nor do you understand how inferior he was compared to players like Walton, Cowens and Unseld.

McHale is perhaps a good comparison: McHale was a superior offensive player and infinitely better defender than Hayes.

Yet people are voting for Hayes because all they see are stats.

Too many teenagers on this message board, as seen by the pathetic personal attacks.

[Legends66NBA7]

Meanwhile, all the people who are voting for Hayes are showing themselves up: all you see are the stats. You've clearly never seen him play nor do you understand how inferior he was compared to players like Walton, Cowens and Unseld.

I wouldn't say he was inferior to them, he was highly recognized during his era as the best PF in the 70's. That has to mean he's up at their tier. Don't most consider Hayes > Unseld, when they were both on the Bullets ?

Walton is tricky, because he didn't play long. At his best, he was better than Hayes, but Hayes durability was that of legend. It's in his favor all-time over someone like Walton, even though Walton does have the MVP and Finals MVP at his favor (Hasn't Hayes been robbed of MVP and Finals MVP trophies ?)


McHale is perhaps a good comparison: McHale was a superior offensive player and infinitely better defender than Hayes.

At their best, sure. McHale was better than Karl Malone at both, at his best as well, but off course, nobody is going to rank McHale over him.


Too many teenagers on this message board, as seen by the pathetic personal attacks.

Yeah, I agree. That should have no place on a message board.


I'm in agreement with you with Drexler too. He shouldn't be over some of the names you brought up. I actually see a Drexler vs Iverson debate coming up... that's if Drexler doesn't win this round.

[wally_world]

Steve Nash

[WillC]

I'll leave it to Bob Ryan (perhaps the journalist whose opinion I value and respect the most) to sum up Elvin Hayes:

"The numbers are dramatic, but he is one of the most boring players and worst human beings that ever lived. I'm pleased to know that in 1978 Washington won that game with him on the bench"

He's referring, of course, to the 1978 NBA Finals when Hayes fouled out with 8 minutes remaining in Game 7. With Hayes on the bench, Unseld rallied his team to an improbable comeback victory to win the championship.

In 1996, when asked to rank their top 10 forwards of all-time, Bob Ryan, Matt Guokas, Tommy Heinsohn and others left Hayes out of their top 10 lists.

Having said that, the difference between Hayes and Karl Malone isn't all that big. However, if anything, that tells me that modern fans overrate Malone (ranking him over Baylor and Pettit in this list, for God's sake!).

[Legends66NBA7]

In 1996, when asked to rank their top 10 forwards of all-time, Bob Ryan, Matt Guokas, Tommy Heinsohn and others left Hayes out of their top 10 lists.

That is interesting. Are they links to their Top 10 forwards in 1996 ?


Having said that, the difference between Hayes and Karl Malone isn't all that big. However, if anything, that tells me that modern fans overrate Malone (ranking him over Baylor and Pettit in this list, for God's sake!).

I do agree here.

The big difference is that one got to play with the greatest pure PG of all-time (starting from 87-88 till 02-03 !) and the other didn't. I could definitely see impressive scoring numbers from Hayes if he had Malone for that many years he played in the league, since Hayes had incredible durability just like Malone did.

[WockaVodka]

Gasol over Rodman??? On what planet???

Rodman is one of the best rebounder and defenders vs a fu*king sook who goes MIA in the playoffs??? AND im a Lakers fan:lol
Gasol is one of the best offensive scorers/post-scorers ever.

Do you really think the Lakers win a title in 2010 with Rodman instead of Gasol? Gasol was the biggest reason why they won a title in both 2009 and 2010.

I guess I'm not surprised since the OP wants Gasol to be ranked as low as possible so Kobe gets more of the credit.

Obvious agenda is obvious.

[WillC]

Gasol is one of the best offensive scorers/post-scorers ever.

An 'offensive scorer'? As opposed to what? A 'defensive scorer'? :wtf:

[Coffee Black]

These rankings were going well but are about to take a turn for the worst.

Drexler over Walton, Cowens, Schayes, etc? Are you kidding?

Meanwhile, all the people who are voting for Hayes are showing themselves up: all you see are the stats. You've clearly never seen him play nor do you understand how inferior he was compared to players like Walton, Cowens and Unseld.

McHale is perhaps a good comparison: McHale was a superior offensive player and infinitely better defender than Hayes.

Yet people are voting for Hayes because all they see are stats.

Too many teenagers on this message board, as seen by the pathetic personal attacks.

I agree with you on Hayes. Admittedly I don't know that much about him as I was not around to watch the NBA at that time, but general notion I picked up about when reading about the 70s is that he was a great individual player but definitely not a good team mate. He was not the type of person you would have leading your team.

And on the same not, I would definitely not be surprised if McAdoo gets overrated over guys like McHale, Unseld, Cunningham, and more. It's going to be the same ISH voters that look at his stats, and say some stuff about peak or prime (not that any of that makes sense or matters). They are going to overlook the fact, after those first few years, teams w realized what type of player he was and did not want to take him as their leader. He was not considered a "winner". He got shopped around and ended up as role player on the Lakers in the 80s. I mean there is a reason he got left out of the NBA top 50 and took so long to get into the Hall of Fame.

[Snoop_Cat]

Clyde Drexler is way too high..... there's a handful of people that should go before him.

[WockaVodka]

Slam Top 500 '11 issue has Rodman 48, Pau 97. :confusedshrug:
What does that have to do with anything? This is an ISH vote, not a Slam vote. What would be the point of this if you are just trying to replicate the slam?

Gasol's vote should count, he was better than Rodman. Gasol was 62nd in the RealGM Top 100 while Rodman was 64th.

[WillC]

I agree with you on Hayes. Admittedly I don't know that much about him as I was not around to watch the NBA at that time, but general notion I picked up about when reading about the 70s is that he was a great individual player but definitely not a good team mate. He was not the type of person you would have leading your team.

And on the same not, I would definitely not be surprised if McAdoo gets overrated over guys like McHale, Unseld, Cunningham, and more. It's going to be the same ISH voters that look at his stats, and say some stuff about peak or prime (not that any of that makes sense or matters). They are going to overlook the fact, after those first few years, teams w realized what type of player he was and did not want to take him as their leader. He was not considered a "winner". He got shopped around and ended up as role player on the Lakers in the 80s. I mean there is a reason he got left out of the NBA top 50 and took so long to get into the Hall of Fame.

I thoroughly agree, especially with the part in bold.

[IGOTGAME]

What does that have to do with anything? This is an ISH vote, not a Slam vote. What would be the point of this if you are just trying to replicate the slam?

Gasol's vote should count, he was better than Rodman. Gasol was 62nd in the RealGM Top 100 while Rodman was 64th.
I don't care if the vote counts. However, how many years would you call Gasoline a top 5 player in the l. Guy only made 4 all star teams. There is just no logical way to put him over a guy like Steve Nash or Dwight Howard.

[Bigsmoke]

Clyde Drexler

[MiamiThrice]

If the OP is just going to count which votes fit his own personal agenda then we all mind as well just abandon these rankings all together because its turned into a joke.


I don't care if the vote counts. However, how many years would you call Gasoline a top 5 player in the l. Guy only made 4 all star teams. There is just no logical way to put him over a guy like Steve Nash or Dwight Howard.

He was the best bigman in the league along with Dwight and Dirk during the Lakers final runs.

He also led a team to a title, something Nash or Dwight failed to do and something that should be valued quite highly when factoring in the all-time greats.

[1987_Lakers]

lol @ Drexler getting votes.

This is between Dave Cowens and Steve Nash. I vote for Nash.

[StateOfMind12]

Actually yeah, I change my vote to Steve Nash. I actually do have Nash ranked above Drexler in my all-time list. I forgot that this site doesn't love Nash as much as others do. :oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

Also people need to do some more research on Elvin Hayes and not just look at his stats. He shouldn't be getting votes either. Hayes was a horrible teammate, inefficient scorer, & a choker.

[IGOTGAME]

If the OP is just going to count which votes fit his own personal agenda then we all mind as well just abandon these rankings all together because its turned into a joke.



He was the best bigman in the league along with Dwight and Dirk during the Lakers final runs.

He also led a team to a title, something Nash or Dwight failed to do and something that should be valued quite highly when factoring in the all-time greats.
OK. You won't answer the question. This isn't a single season award. Not even going to argue of ur take on that season.

[MiamiThrice]

OK. You won't answer the question. This isn't a single season award. Not even going to argue of ur take on that season.

You mean like how no Kobe balllicker has counter argued any of my facts/statistics that I laid out throughout this thread?

[Bigsmoke]

Also people need to do some more research on Elvin Hayes and not just look at his stats. He shouldn't be getting votes either. Hayes was a horrible teammate, inefficient scorer, & a choker.

who do u want us to vote for then?

[IGOTGAME]

You mean like how no Kobe balllicker has counter argued any of my facts/statistics that I laid out throughout this thread?
Not worth the time bro. I sincerely hope you are trolling and not this stupid.

[ScalabrineStan]

Walton

[Deuce Bigalow]

Current Results

6- Clyde Drexler
5- Elvin Hayes
5- Steve Nash
4- Dave Cowens
4- Dolph Schayes
3- Bill Walton
2- Nate Thurmond
1- Paul Pierce
1- Bob McAdoo
1- George Gervin
1- Pete Maravich
1- Allen Iverson
1- Kevin McHale
1- Dennis Rodman
1- Gary Payton

[MasterDurant24]

Why does Hayes have more votes than Cowens? And suprised nobody mentioned Sam Jones with all the other players being voted for.

[WockaVodka]

Current Results

6- Clyde Drexler
5- Elvin Hayes
4- Dave Cowens
4- Dolph Schayes
4- Steve Nash
3- Bill Walton
2- Nate Thurmond
1- Paul Pierce
1- Bob McAdoo
1- George Gervin
1- Pete Maravich
1- Allen Iverson
1- Kevin McHale
1- Dennis Rodman
1- Gary Payton
Again, why is Gasol's votes being ignored but Rodman's counting? Gasol was better than Rodman, yet Rodman's votes count and Gasol's doesn't? You either count them both or take them both out.

[Bodhi]

Steve Nash

[L.Kizzle]

Again, why is Gasol's votes being ignored but Rodman's counting? Gasol was better than Rodman, yet Rodman's votes count and Gasol's doesn't? You either count them both or take them both out.
Gasol has no business even being considered this high. Rodman is a once in a lifetime player, not many guys like him in the history of the game. Yhough this spot is way too high for him also.

There are many Pau Gasol type players from championship teams. From your Baily Howells and Rasheed Wallace's to non title players like Tom Chambers and Shawn Kemps.

Not to mention the big dos like McHale, Worthy who haven't even been voted in yet.

[WockaVodka]

Gasol has no business even being considered this high. Rodman is a once in a lifetime player, not many guys like him in the history of the game. Yhough this spot is way too high for him also.

There are many Pau Gasol type players from championship teams. From your Baily Howells and Rasheed Wallace's to non title players like Tom Chambers and Shawn Kemps.

Not to mention the big dos like McHale, Worthy who haven't even been voted in yet.
I'm just looking for consistency here, if Rodman's votes count then so should Gasol. Take away both or count both.

[MiamiThrice]

Gasol has no business even being considered this high. Rodman is a once in a lifetime player, not many guys like him in the history of the game. Yhough this spot is way too high for him also.

There are many Pau Gasol type players from championship teams. From your Baily Howells and Rasheed Wallace's to non title players like Tom Chambers and Shawn Kemps.

Not to mention the big dos like McHale, Worthy who haven't even been voted in yet.

Gasol is being omitted because the OP is a Kobe balllicker that is a self-admitted 17 year old, yet puts 32 as his age on his profile to try and make himself seem more credible. In other words he doesn't know anything about the game of basketball and has probably never even played it.

Gasol is an all-time great on par with many others. Perenniell all-star player that is an international ambassador to the game. Led a team to a title while making All-NBA teams. Gasol is a guy that will certainly be remembered for years to come.

"Baily Howell" and "Rasheed Wallace" were never guys that were best players on championship teams. Gasols 2010 playoff run goes way underrated and most people give Kobe sole credit because the media brainwashes them to do so. Listen to someone that actually understands the game and they'll tell you Gasol dominated the 2010 NBA Finals.


I'm just looking for consistency here, if Rodman's votes count then so should Gasol. Take away both or count both.

Good lucks WockaVodka, this 17 year olds agenda is just too obvious.

Lakers don't get any better replacing Gasol with Rodman on the 2010 Lakers, yet put Gasol on the 90s Bulls and they become infinity times better.

[Deuce Bigalow]

How come this dominant Pau Gasol has never received a single MVP vote in his career?

[WockaVodka]

How come this dominant Pau Gasol has never received a single MVP vote in his career?
Why does it matter? What does MVP voting have to do with who is the greatest players ever? I doubt Rodman ever got a vote and if he did that doesn't make him better, it means he got an MVP vote.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Why does it matter? What does MVP voting have to do with who is the greatest players ever? I doubt Rodman ever got a vote and if he did that doesn't make him better, it means he got an MVP vote.
Rodman did, he's also led the league in rebounding 7 times, and was close to winning multiple DPOYs.

[WockaVodka]

Rodman did, he's also led the league in rebounding 7 times, and was close to winning multiple DPOYs.
And?

He never won any DPOYs. And he was never as huge on a championship team as Gasol was in 2009 and 2010.

Count both or don't count them at all.

[MiamiThrice]

How come this dominant Pau Gasol has never received a single MVP vote in his career?

Steve Nash has twice as many MVPs as Koe does.

You really want to argue about MVP voting? Guess Steve Nash > Kobe to you if THATS your criteria. :oldlol:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Steve Nash has twice as many MVPs as Koe does.

You really want to argue about MVP voting? Guess Steve Nash > Kobe to you if THATS your criteria. :oldlol:
Kobe's been top 5 in MVP voting 10 times, only Jordan, Kareem, and Wilt have as much.

Pau has never got a single vote, not talking about winning it, talking about at least getting a vote.

[Heavincent]

Pau Gasol? Seriously? :roll: :roll:

He's barely in the top 100. Putting him any higher than 80 is completely laughable.

[Heavincent]

Gasol is an all-time great on par with many others. Perenniell all-star player that is an international ambassador to the game. Led a team to a title...

What?

[Deuce Bigalow]

Gasol is being omitted because the OP is a Kobe balllicker that is a self-admitted 17 year old, yet puts 32 as his age on his profile to try and make himself seem more credible. In other words he doesn't know anything about the game of basketball and has probably never even played it.

Gasol is an all-time great on par with many others. Perenniell all-star player that is an international ambassador to the game. Led a team to a title while making All-NBA teams. Gasol is a guy that will certainly be remembered for years to come.

"Baily Howell" and "Rasheed Wallace" were never guys that were best players on championship teams. Gasols 2010 playoff run goes way underrated and most people give Kobe sole credit because the media brainwashes them to do so. Listen to someone that actually understands the game and they'll tell you Gasol dominated the 2010 NBA Finals.



Good lucks WockaVodka, this 17 year olds agenda is just too obvious.

Lakers don't get any better replacing Gasol with Rodman on the 2010 Lakers, yet put Gasol on the 90s Bulls and they become infinity times better.
You think Pau Gasol was the best player on the 2010 Lakers. Enough said :oldlol: :facepalm

[WockaVodka]

You think Pau Gasol was the best player on the 2010 Lakers. Enough said :oldlol: :facepalm
The point still stands that if you replace Rodman with Gasol, the Lakers don't do shit in 2009 or 2010. So if you count Rodman, count Gasol. It's not like he voted Ron Artest or something.

[Deuce Bigalow]

The point still stands that if you replace Rodman with Gasol, the Lakers don't do shit in 2009 or 2010. So if you count Rodman, count Gasol. It's not like he voted Ron Artest or something.
Why did Pippen get over the likes of Barry, and a bunch of other great 1st options? Pippen could not lead a team to a championship, yet Barry did. But voters voted in Pippen before Barry.

[1987_Lakers]

Why does Hayes have more votes than Cowens?

:applause:

[WockaVodka]

Why did Pippen get over the likes of Barry, and a bunch of other great 1st options? Pippen could not lead a team to a championship, yet Barry did. But voters voted in Pippen before Barry.
Probably because nobody knows who Rick Barry is because nobody cares about the NBA before the 80s.

Like I said, it doesn't matter, count both votes or count neither, Gasoll was clearly better than Rodman, but Gasol's vote don't count? Must be a secret agenda.

[L.Kizzle]

Gasol is being omitted because the OP is a Kobe balllicker that is a self-admitted 17 year old, yet puts 32 as his age on his profile to try and make himself seem more credible. In other words he doesn't know anything about the game of basketball and has probably never even played it.

Gasol is an all-time great on par with many others. Perenniell all-star player that is an international ambassador to the game. Led a team to a title while making All-NBA teams. Gasol is a guy that will certainly be remembered for years to come.

"Baily Howell" and "Rasheed Wallace" were never guys that were best players on championship teams. Gasols 2010 playoff run goes way underrated and most people give Kobe sole credit because the media brainwashes them to do so. Listen to someone that actually understands the game and they'll tell you Gasol dominated the 2010 NBA Finals.



Good lucks WockaVodka, this 17 year olds agenda is just too obvious.

Lakers don't get any better replacing Gasol with Rodman on the 2010 Lakers, yet put Gasol on the 90s Bulls and they become infinity times better.
Paul Gasol couldn't lead his Memphis Grizzlies to one playoff win, not "one" but he led the Lakers to the 2010 NBA Championship?

:biggums: