#35 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops

[Deuce Bigalow]

Clyde Drexler was voted the #34 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops.

21.3 PPG | 6.4 RPG | 5.9 APG

NBA Champion
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[StateOfMind12]

Vote - Steve Nash. He is the 4th GOAT PG behind Frazier, Oscar, and Magic. He was better than Isiah, Stockton, etc. to me.

[WillC]

Drexler? Oh dear. Five to ten places too early, at the expense of more deserving players.

Lots of worthy players to choose from, but I'm going with Dolph Schayes here.

[upside24]

Nash.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Drexler? Oh dear. Five to ten places too early, at the expense of more deserving players.

Lots of worthy players to choose from, but I'm going with Dolph Schayes here.
Schayes, a 38% career shooter, is a a more "worthy" player, right?

Elvin Hayes is my vote
[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Elvin Hayes

Should have been named Finals MVP in '78
He averaged 22/12/1 on 58% with 2 bpg
Unseld who won the FMVP averaged 9/12/4 on 52% with 0 bpg
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1978_finals.html

Hayes led the entire Playoffs in points that year.
Hayes led his team in points, rebounds, and blocks in the '78 playoffs when they won the Championship, so he was clearly the best player on the team.

8th all-time on the NBA scoring list with 27,313 points
4th alltime on the NBA rebounding list with 16,279 rebounds
20th all-time in blocks with 1,771

NBA champion (1978)
**Robbed of Finals MVP (1978)
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[WillC]

If Steve Nash (my favourite player of the last 10-years, but still) gets voted in ahead of Dolph Schayes, Bill Walton, Dave Cowens and George Gervin, then this list is officially ****ed.

[kurple]

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MVP
ROY
All Rookie 1st
11 All Star Games (should have been more)
2x All Star MVP
3x NBA 1st
3x NBA 2nd
4x Scoring Champ
#7 in career regular season PPG
#2 in career playoffs PPG

[ScalabrineStan]

Walton

[WillC]

Schayes, a 38% career shooter, is a a more "worthy" player, right?

Elvin Hayes is my vote

You need to get past the basic statistics. I already pointed out in the last thread why Hayes is a bad choice, but you obviously can't get past the stats. Why else would you vote for him over genuinely better players from his own era like Cowens and Walton?

As for Schayes, he played in 12 consecutive All-Star Games, is a 6 x All-NBA 1st Team and 6 x All-NBA 2nd Team member, and won a championship.

Since you love statistics so much, put this one in your pipe and smoke it: Dolph Schayes has the highest Win Shares of the 1950s.

Meanwhile, Schayes' True Shooting Percentage was higher than George Mikan, Bob Cousy and others.

[L.Kizzle]

Schayes, a 38% career shooter, is a a more "worthy" player, right?

Elvin Hayes is my vote

I've heard from posters here that he wasn't a good teammate, but I think he has the best career out of everybody else. He did good on the court it seems.
It was the 50s, that was the norm.

Arizin, career 41, Ed Macauley career 43, career 44. The already voted in Cousy career 37 and Mikan career 40.

[Eric Cartman]

Allen Iverson for f*cks sake. So underrated it's crazy.

[kurple]

Allen Iverson for f*cks sake. So underrated it's crazy.
this. cant believe i have been the only one mentioning him

[L.Kizzle]

this. cant believe i have been the only one mentioning him
It's not his time yet? A few spots away.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Schayes and Hayes all have basically the same awards (rings, all-star teams, all-nba teams). Hayes is top 7 in career points and rebounds, Schayes isn't.
Schayes isn't more "worthy" than Hayes is all I'm saying. And I don't care if people say he was a bad teammate, they still won a championship with him leading the team in points, rebounds, and blocks - yeah what a horrible teammate.

[MiamiThrice]

Pau Gasol
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.179239!/img/httpImage/image.jpg

-2x NBA Champion (2009, 2010)
-Led 2010 Lakers to the championship as the best player
-4 x NBA Allstar
-18.7 PPG, 9.2 RPG 3.2 APG career numbers
-3 All NBA teams
-Two silver medals as the best player
-One of the most skilled bigmen of all-time

[blablabla]

dave cowens

[L.Kizzle]

Schayes and Hayes all have basically the same awards (rings, all-star teams, all-nba teams). Hayes is top 7 in career points and rebounds, Schayes isn't.
Schayes isn't more "worthy" than Hayes is all I'm saying. And I don't care if people say he was a bad teammate, they still won a championship with him leading the team in points, rebounds, and blocks - yeah what a horrible teammate.
Schayes led his team to a title. He was the team, do you know any other Syracuse Nationals? WTF is a Syracuse anyway! Melo.

Who is Paul Seymour?

:biggums:

[coin24]

Iverson:cheers:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Schayes led his team to a title. He was the team, do you know any other Syracuse Nationals? WTF is a Syracuse anyway! Melo.

Who is Paul Seymour?

:biggums:
So did Hayes, plus he did it in a league that actually had black players, unlike the 50s where a team could only have 1 or 2 as a limit.

[WockaVodka]

Steve Nash.

[L.Kizzle]

So did Hayes, plus he did it in a league that actually had black players, unlike the 50s where a team could only have 1 or 2 as a limit.
Earl Lloyd the first black player in the league was on Schayes team when they won the title.

[joeyjoejoe]

Gervin

[Deuce Bigalow]

Pau Gasol
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.179239!/img/httpImage/image.jpg

-2x NBA Champion (2009, 2010)
-Led 2010 Lakers to the championship as the best player
-4 x NBA Allstar
-18.7 PPG, 9.2 RPG 3.2 APG career numbers
-3 All NBA teams
-Two silver medals as the best player
-One of the most skilled bigmen of all-time
http://img.discountpostersale.com/posters/PFSAAMK22401/1/Kobe-Bryant-with-2010-MVP--Championship-Trophies-in-Studio-29.jpg

[MiamiThrice]

http://img.discountpostersale.com/posters/PFSAAMK22401/1/Kobe-Bryant-with-2010-MVP--Championship-Trophies-in-Studio-29.jpg

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The best player on the title winner always leads the team in win shares for the playoffs.

Next

[Deuce Bigalow]

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The best player on the title winner always leads the team in win shares for the playoffs.

Next
1994-95 Houston Rockets

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[MiamiThrice]

1994-95 Houston Rockets

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When Kobe averages 33 PPG, 10 RPG, 5 APG, and 53% shooting from the field like Hakeem did during those playoffs, an exception can be made for him too.

Unfortunately he averaged 40% shooting in the Finals and 25% shooting in the pivotal Game 7 in which Gasol bailed him out.

Good try.

[Deuce Bigalow]

2000-01 Lakers

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[MiamiThrice]

2000-01 Lakers

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The same year that Kobe got shut down by Eric Snow and outplayed by Iverson in the finals and had to get bailed out by Shaq dominating the 2001 DPOY?

http://oi50.tinypic.com/118qaa1.jpg

Btw Shaqs win shares in the Finals are superior :oldlol: Just as Gasol and Hakeems were in their respective FINALS series.

[Deuce Bigalow]

When Kobe averages 33 PPG, 10 RPG, 5 APG, and 53% shooting from the field like Hakeem did during those playoffs, an exception can be made for him too.

Unfortunately he averaged 40% shooting in the Finals and 25% shooting in the pivotal Game 7 in which Gasol bailed him out.

Good try.
29.2 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 5.5 apg, on 46% FG, 57% TS, 51% eFG%

33.7 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 8.3 apg, 52% FG, 68% TS in the Western Conference Finals - Probably the best WCF performance since his '01 series vs San Antonio

The game Gasol bailed Kobe out was when he shot 37%? Oh damn, he bailed him out so good.

[upside24]

When Kobe averages 33 PPG, 10 RPG, 5 APG, and 53% shooting from the field like Hakeem did during those playoffs, an exception can be made for him too.

Unfortunately he averaged 40% shooting in the Finals and 25% shooting in the pivotal Game 7 in which Gasol bailed him out.

Good try.


The best player on the title winner always leads the team in win shares for the playoffs.
So "always" means most of the time now?

[MiamiThrice]

29.2 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 5.5 apg, on 46% FG, 57% TS, 51% eFG%

33.7 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 8.3 apg, 52% FG, 68% TS in the Western Conference Finals - Probably the best WCF performance since his '01 series vs San Antonio

The game Gasol bailed Kobe out was when he shot 37%? Oh damn, he bailed him out so good.

40% shooting in the Finals.

25% shooting in Game 7

Even I could score 28 PPG in an NBA game if I had as many shots as Kobe is allowed to get. :oldlol:

And 37% > 25%. 12% is quite a big difference in terms of shooting percentages. And at the end of Game 7 Gasol was coming down with every rebound. He had 18 of them in the game in case you had to go to bed early for school that night.

[kurple]

The same year that Kobe got shut down by Eric Snow and outplayed by Iverson in the finals and had to get bailed out by Shaq dominating the 2001 DPOY?

http://oi50.tinypic.com/118qaa1.jpg

Btw Shaqs win shares in the Finals are superior :oldlol: Just as Gasol and Hakeems were in their respective FINALS series.
are you 12? who the **** uses "LMAO"?

and no one cares about your anti Kobe agenda. i dont, and many consider me a kobe hater

Pau isnt top50

[Deuce Bigalow]

2010 WCF

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"Then MiamiSpice said that You were better than me in 2010"

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[MiamiThrice]

are you 12? who the **** uses "LMAO"?

and no one cares about your anti Kobe agenda. i dont, and many consider me a kobe hater

Pau isnt top50

Lets see who you voted for in this thread....

LOL Allen Iverson. Yeah that 6 foot 160 guy that shoots even worse percentages than Kobe. You think that overrated ghetto piece of trash is better than International superstar Pau gasol who is one of the few players in NBA History to lead a team to a nba championship(2010)?

My ****ing dick is bigger than Iverson. That guy is too small to do anything at a half decent efficiency and its evident by the 0 championships he was able to win in his career.

[Deuce Bigalow]

The same year that Kobe got shut down by Eric Snow and outplayed by Iverson in the finals and had to get bailed out by Shaq dominating the 2001 DPOY?

http://oi50.tinypic.com/118qaa1.jpg

Btw Shaqs win shares in the Finals are superior :oldlol: Just as Gasol and Hakeems were in their respective FINALS series.
Post me the 2 series before the Finals

[kurple]

Lets see who you voted for in this thread....

LOL Allen Iverson. Yeah that 6 foot 160 guy that shoots even worse percentages than Kobe. You think that overrated ghetto piece of trash is better than International superstar Pau gasol who is one of the few players in NBA History to lead a team to a nba championship(2010)?

My ****ing dick is bigger than Iverson. That guy is too small to do anything at a half decent efficiency and its evident by the 0 championships he was able to win in his career.
swim back to mexico

[MiamiThrice]

2010 WCF

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Western Conference Finals stats?

You think I'm supposed to give a ****? Talk to me when Kobe does well in the Finals against a half decent team. Thats where the big boys play. Its where the actual ****ing championship is won. It's no surprise the only time Kobe did well in the Finals (2002 and 2009) was when he went up against a joke of a team with a terrible defense.

2000 Pacers, 2001 Sixers, 2004 Pistons, Both Celtics teams. Kobe with awful finals series against all of them. Kobe is one of the worst Finals performers among all-time greats.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Lets see who you voted for in this thread....

LOL Allen Iverson. Yeah that 6 foot 160 guy that shoots even worse percentages than Kobe. You think that overrated ghetto piece of trash is better than International superstar Pau gasol who is one of the few players in NBA History to lead a team to a nba championship(2010)?

My ****ing dick is bigger than Iverson. That guy is too small to do anything at a half decent efficiency and its evident by the 0 championships he was able to win in his career.
Iverson - Won MVP award, 4 scoring Titles, led team to the Finals, made multiple All-NBA First teams, ect
Pau - Never received a SINGLE MVP VOTE, Never made an All-NBA First team, never led a team to A SINGLE PLAYOFF WIN.

[kurple]

pau hasnt led any team to anything.. Iverson LED his team to the finals at least

[Deuce Bigalow]

Western Conference Finals stats?

You think I'm supposed to give a ****? Talk to me when Kobe does well in the Finals against a half decent team. Thats where the big boys play. Its where the actual ****ing championship is won. It's no surprise the only time Kobe did well in the Finals (2002 and 2009) was when he went up against a joke of a team with a terrible defense.

2000 Pacers, 2001 Sixers, 2004 Pistons, Both Celtics teams. Kobe with awful finals series against all of them. Kobe is one of the worst Finals performers among all-time greats.
The 2001 San Antonio Spurs had the #1 Defense in the entire league.
Kobe averaged 33-7-7 on 51% vs them

2009 Orlando Magic had the #1 Defense in the entire league, that's a joke/terrible defense?

Someone ban this guy

[kurple]

lets just ignore this 12 year old mexican pile of acne before the entire thread is ruined

[MiamiThrice]

swim back to mexico

Yeah no argument kid, thats what I ****ing thought.

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[MiamiThrice]

Iverson - Won MVP award, 4 scoring Titles, led team to the Finals, made multiple All-NBA First teams, ect
Pau - Never received a SINGLE MVP VOTE, Never made an All-NBA First team, never led a team to A SINGLE PLAYOFF WIN.

Pau Gasol : Led 2010 Lakers to NBA Championship

Allen Iverson: Led team to no championships and multiple lottery appearences.

[kurple]

did you just make that? get a life bro

there is nothing to argue. everyone knows iverson is better than pau

[Heavincent]

Pau Gasol
-Led 2010 Lakers to the championship as the best player


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[MiamiThrice]

The 2001 San Antonio Spurs had the #1 Defense in the entire league.
Kobe averaged 33-7-7 on 51% vs them

2009 Orlando Magic had the #1 Defense in the entire league, that's a joke/terrible defense?

Someone ban this guy

2009 Magic were a joke, their almost as bad as the Nets. Rashard Lewis starting at power forward? Other than Dwight/Courtney Lee there wasn't one legit defender on that team. One of the worst Finals teams ever.

Celtics, Pistons, Heat, 2001 Sixers. Those are some real defenses. Should the Lakers meet the Heat in the Finals this year(they won't btw I hope you like OKC ****) their only chance of winning will be Dwight Howard going off because Kobe will be ready for his usual 40% shooting against legit defenses.

[Deuce Bigalow]

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troll along

[MiamiThrice]

troll along

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[Deuce Bigalow]

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You're definitely posting facts yo

[chazzy]

"Can't counter facts"

Let's see.. you said

"the team leader in WS is ALWAYS the best player on a championship run."

Shown facts that proved otherwise - "but but but.."

"09 Magic was a terrible defensive team"

Shown fact that they were actually the #1 defensive team in the league

"But but.. they're terrible because I said so!"

[Jacks3]

Kobe in the last 4 games of 2001 Finals.

All Laker wins.

27.0 PPG/9.0 RPG/6.0 APG/1.5 SPG/1.0 BPG/54% TS

Shut down?

lol wut.

[tmacman]

Inb4 insecure Heat bandwagoner votes Pau Gasol just to derail Kobe from a ring. Oh wait... :oldlol:

Anyways, I vote for Bill Walton.

[Legends66NBA7]

Wow, Drexler actually won that ? Oh well.

He's probably 5-8 spots lower for me. I thought Drexler vs Iverson vs Gervin would have been a nice debate, for the next SG spot.

[nycelt84]

Dolph Schayes

[MiamiThrice]

"Can't counter facts"

Let's see.. you said

"the team leader in WS is ALWAYS the best player on a championship run."

Shown facts that proved otherwise - "but but but.."

"09 Magic was a terrible defensive team"

Shown fact that they were actually the #1 defensive team in the league

"But but.. they're terrible because I said so!"

Location: LA

If you actually think the Magic were on par defensively with the 04 Pistons, or Celtics teams you need to become educated on the game and learn how defensive gameplans are produced.

Shaq, Hakeem, Gasol all had higher Win Shares in the Finals bro. The Finals is the most important series.

Next


Kobe in the last 4 games of 2001 Finals.

All Laker wins.

27.0 PPG/9.0 RPG/6.0 APG/1.5 SPG/1.0 BPG/54% TS

Shut down?

lol wut.

No need to pick and choose which games you want to make the stats sway in your favor. Kobes 15 point 7-22 shooting on 31% shooting will be included in his final statline. Whether you like that or not doesn't ****ing matter.

24 PPG and 41% FG shooting were his scoring numbers. That is terrible.

[pauk]

Dave Cowens.

[kurple]

this is the first time i have put someone on my ignore lis

[MisterAmazing]

http://www.alleniversonlive.com/wp-content/gallery/biography/979801.jpg

MVP
ROY
All Rookie 1st
11 All Star Games (should have been more)
2x All Star MVP
3x NBA 1st
3x NBA 2nd
4x Scoring Champ
#7 in career regular season PPG
#2 in career playoffs PPG

this

[colts19]

Since only one person besides me is voting for E. Hayes I am giving up on getting him in and am going with the
Greatest Player Left on the Board.

Short peak due to injuries, but maybe the greatest team player ever at his position.

Bill Walton

[Bigsmoke]

steve nash

[RRR3]

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You know omnistrife and I made that

[DirtySanchez]

Steve Nash

[TheeBeast]

Nash

[kennethgriffin]

clyde over elvin hayes?!?

:facepalm

[fpliii]

clyde over elvin hayes?!?

:facepalm

why is this so objectionable?

no worse than Karl Malone being voted as high as he was

[markymark]

Drexler got in before AI?

[Lil-Wild]

Allen Iverson : (

[kurple]

Drexler got in before AI?
is this an AI vote?

[Raz]

Terrible pick #34

Dave Cowens

[L.Kizzle]

Scottie Pippen and Dwyane Wade got voted in 6-7 spots ago, yet Drexler is too high.

:biggums:

[BoutPractice]

Dave Cowens.

[markymark]

is this an AI vote?

Yepyep.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Current Results

6- Allen Iverson
6- Steve Nash
4- Dave Cowens
2- Dolph Schayes
2- Elvin Hayes
2- Bill Walton

[Heilige]

Dolph Schayes

[Rnbizzle]

Either Nash or Iverson..

I'll take Nash.

[1987_Lakers]

Steve Nash

[JMT]

Drexler? Oh dear. Five to ten places too early, at the expense of more deserving players.

Lots of worthy players to choose from, but I'm going with Dolph Schayes here.

This. Schayes.

[dyna]

Elvin Hayes

[ganja0710]

so why would iverson get in before Nash again....

:rolleyes:

[SonOfMattGeiger]

I vote for my father's former teammate, Allen Iverson.

[TheBigVeto]

I vote for my father's former teammate, Allen Iverson.

And I vote for your dad, Matt Geiger.

[Legends66NBA7]

Bump, since Deuce didn't make a new thread yet. This thread is still going.

Current Results

8- Steve Nash
7- Allen Iverson
4- Dave Cowens
4- Dolph Schayes
3- Elvin Hayes
2- Bill Walton


so why would iverson get in before Nash again....

This is a vote for Nash ? If so, that would make 9 votes for Nash

[MiamiThrice]

Bump, since Deuce didn't make a new thread yet. This thread is still going.

Current Results

8- Steve Nash
7- Allen Iverson
4- Dave Cowens
4- Dolph Schayes
3- Elvin Hayes
2- Bill Walton



This is a vote for Nash ? If so, that would make 9 votes for Nash

You forgot my vote for Pau Gasol.

[Round Mound]

Kevin McHale. Go Watch the 1986 Finals and See Kevin McHale vs Ralph Sampson

[ManlyStanley69]

Lets see who you voted for in this thread....

LOL Allen Iverson. Yeah that 6 foot 160 guy that shoots even worse percentages than Kobe. You think that overrated ghetto piece of trash is better than International superstar Pau gasol who is one of the few players in NBA History to lead a team to a nba championship(2010)?

My ****ing dick is bigger than Iverson. That guy is too small to do anything at a half decent efficiency and its evident by the 0 championships he was able to win in his career.

Prove it. :D

[Deuce Bigalow]

Current Results

8- Steve Nash
7- Allen Iverson
4- Dave Cowens
4- Dolph Schayes
3- Elvin Hayes
2- Bill Walton
1- Kevin McHale

[crisoner]

Steve Nash!!!

[TheBigVeto]

Kevin McHale. Go Watch the 1986 Finals and See Kevin McHale vs Ralph Sampson

McHale is great but he's not greater than Nash.