Great Rebounding Bigs Who Couldn't Defend & Vice Versa?

[fpliii]

Topic. We've seen guys in both molds in league history:

(A) bigs who can't defend but can rebound
(B) bigs who can't rebound but can defend

and there are a handful of each type today.

Any guys today/historically who stand out to you?
How do these types of players come about?
Which of these would you rather have on your team?
Can you build a franchise around either type of player?
Which is more flawed?

[LosBulls]

Boozer is the definition of A.

[Mr Exlax]

Boozer is the definition of A.

Boozer can rebound? I didn't know that lol.

[Rnbizzle]

Boozer can rebound? I didn't know that lol.
For a PF Boozer is a great rebounder. Kevin Love is probable the best example though.

[SteveNashMVPcro]

D.Lee

[lilgodfather1]

Malone is a good example of A, although he wasn't the worst defender on the planet, pretty close, but not the worst. KLove is the best current example of A, and building around him hasn't really worked too well for the Wolves.

[iamgine]

More importantly how's their offense.

[Kblaze8855]

Rasheed Wallace was always a head scratcher. Amazing defender, great athlete, played hard, was intense, and then...got 6 rebounds 70% of the time.

[get these NETS]

Charles Oakley was a good to great rebounder....he played physical style of defense but he was never a great defender

[fpliii]

More importantly how's their offense.

however good you want it to be

but players of type (A) max out with top offense, below average defense, top rebounding, and those of type (B) with top offense, top defense, below average rebounding (for their size/position/role/etc.)

[StateOfMind12]

A - Carlos Boozer, Kevin Love, Blake Griffin, Moses Malone

B - Rasheed Wallace, Alonzo Mourning

[Mr Exlax]

A - Carlos Boozer, Kevin Love, Blake Griffin, Moses Malone

B - Rasheed Wallace, Alonzo Mourning

Looks good to me

[StateOfMind12]

Damn, how could I forget about Charles Barkley? :banghead: He is the flat out definition of someone who could rebound but couldn't defend.

I also want to add Kendrick Perkins to someone who could defend but couldn't rebound list.

[gasolina]

Charles Oakley was a good to great rebounder....he played physical style of defense but he was never a great defender
Hold on, wasn't physical defense important especially during the post up era? Same with Malone, he was a very good positional defender.

[Mr. I'm So Rad]

Andrew Bynum for A. Gets lots of boards because of his length and size. Decent shot blocker but his effort on defense is really lackluster. He never boxes out either nor does he hedge on pick and rolls.

[RRR3]

What is SOM talking about?

Alonzo Mourning career 9.9 rebounds per 36 minutes, twice finished top 10 in NBA in rebounds per game.

Kendrick Perkins career 9.7 rebounds per 36 minutes




"They can't rebound" :rolleyes:

[IGotACoolStory]

I always thought Steven Hunter was a good defensive player. Not so much a rebounder.


Clifford Robinson was a heck of a defender back in his prime. Never a good rebounder.


Manute Bol?

[pauk]

A - Carlos Boozer, Kevin Love, Blake Griffin, Moses Malone

B - Rasheed Wallace, Alonzo Mourning

Moses Malone was in 1st all-defensive team in 1983. :)

[JohnnySic]

Charles Barkley and Antoine Walker were type A.

[StateOfMind12]

Moses Malone was in 1st all-defensive team in 1983. :)
It's nice to know that the All-defensive teams have been a joke for that long.

[fpliii]

some good discussion so far

[iamgine]

So basically it's defense vs rebounding.

I'd say defense since there are cheap rebound specialist like Reggie Evans around. At least he's cheaper and more common than defensive anchors like Tyson/Camby/Ben Wallace.

[Bigsmoke]

David Lee
Chuck Hayes :confusedshrug:

[imdaman99]

barkley was a great rebounder... and we all know the reason paxson was that open was because of barkley's pathetic attempt at defense.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Alonzo Mourning couldn't rebound :lol :lol I love ISH :oldlol:

[Raz]

Malone is a good example of A, although he wasn't the worst defender on the planet, pretty close, but not the worst.

3 all-defensive first teams. 1 all-defensive 2nd team.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/dws_career.html
5th all time in defensive win-shares

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/def_rtg_career.html
58th all-time in defensive rating for a career

I hope like hell you aren't talking about Karl Malone.

[Raz]

Charles Oakley was a good to great rebounder....he played physical style of defense but he was never a great defender

This baffles me as well. Oakley was a tough as nails defender. He shouldn't be mentioned in a thread that is out to demonise the Boozer's, Lee's and Love's of the world.

[gasolina]

Prime Antoine Walker gets most of his rebounds from the shit he throws around the rim. For some reason he gets the 2nd and 3rd rebound and finally makes a layup.

[kurple]

Reggie Evans and rookie Kenneth Faried for A

Kenyon Martin for B

[RRR3]

Reggie Evans and rookie Kenneth Faried for A

Kenyon Martin for B
True. K-Mart rebounded pretty well in 2004, but he's been pretty poor otherwise.

[selrahc]

zach randolph rebonds well but get no defense

[Raz]

Reggie Evans and rookie Kenneth Faried for A

Kenyon Martin for B

I think you're criminally underrated all of those guys.

The answer to this thread should have been:

A: David Lee and Charles Barkley

B: Rasheed Wallace and Robert Horry

[alwaysunny]

Dennis Rodman. GOAT rebounder but can't play a lick of defense. Career average of 0.7 steals and 0.6 blocks, and never had a year where he got more than 1.0 on either categories, are you ****ing kidding me?? :facepalm

LOL just kidding!

[fpliii]

Dennis Rodman. GOAT rebounder but can't play a lick of defense. Career average of 0.7 steals and 0.6 blocks, and never had a year where he got more than 1.0 on either categories, are you ****ing kidding me?? :facepalm

LOL just kidding!

hmmm

:lol got me

[Mach_3]

What is SOM talking about?

Alonzo Mourning career 9.9 rebounds per 36 minutes, twice finished top 10 in NBA in rebounds per game.

Kendrick Perkins career 9.7 rebounds per 36 minutes




"They can't rebound" :rolleyes:

If you think KP is a good rebounder for a big then you have obviously not watched enough of him

[RRR3]

If you think KP is a good rebounder for a big then you have obviously not watched enough of him
He was pretty bad last year but in the past his rebounding percentages were solid

[StateOfMind12]

If you think KP is a good rebounder for a big then you have obviously not watched enough of him
Of course he didn't, he is just some uneducated kid looking at a bunch of numbers on basketball-reference and that's it.

[ILLsmak]

If you think KP is a good rebounder for a big then you have obviously not watched enough of him

He's a good rebounder in terms of doing his job and sealing his man and establishing position on the glass.

Rasheed Wallace comes to mind, though, that's the best one I've seen so far. His problem was, unlike Perk, he didn't want to get in there and bang. He'd defensively bang but he wouldn't bang on the glass.

-Smak

[Suckafree]

Would ya'll consider Joel Anthony a good defender?

Because his rebounding is probably on par with his jump shooting

[Rnbizzle]

Would ya'll consider Joel Anthony a good defender?

Because his rebounding is probably on par with his jump shooting
Pretty good one.

[RRR3]

:mad: :cry: :mad:
^butthurt he got embarassed after saying Alonzo freakin' Mourning was a bad rebounder :roll: :roll: :roll:

[CavaliersFTW]

Would ya'll consider Joel Anthony a good defender?

Because his rebounding is probably on par with his jump shooting
Sure, if standing in the paint with lead on your shoes = "good defender" :lol

[LamarOdom]

Of course he didn't, he is just some uneducated kid looking at a bunch of numbers on basketball-reference and that's it.

Thank you & repped!

[LJJ]

Plenty of guys in the "Good rebounder, bad defender" category, but no strong cases for the "Good defender, bad rebounder" category.

You got Sheed, but he wasn't even that bad at it, just choosy and unmotivated.

[Bigsmoke]

Dennis Rodman. GOAT rebounder but can't play a lick of defense. Career average of 0.7 steals and 0.6 blocks, and never had a year where he got more than 1.0 on either categories, are you ****ing kidding me?? :facepalm

LOL just kidding!

he's was an overrated defender but saying he didn't play defense is just ignorant

[Sarcastic]

Tyson Chandler is a great defender, but his rebounding could be better for his size.

[jongib369]

Rasheed Wallace was always a head scratcher. Amazing defender, great athlete, played hard, was intense, and then...got 6 rebounds 70% of the time.
http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/george-michael-bluth-catching.gif

[StateOfMind12]

3 all-defensive first teams. 1 all-defensive 2nd team.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/dws_career.html
5th all time in defensive win-shares

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/def_rtg_career.html
58th all-time in defensive rating for a career

I hope like hell you aren't talking about Karl Malone.
I'm pretty sure he is referring to Moses Malone.

I think Moses Malone COULD play defense but he didn't.

A large part of it would be because of how he went for every offensive rebound which made it more difficult for him to get back on defense.

He was a good post-defender though but most stats show that the teams that he has been on have been a very poor defensive team.

The only time he was on a good defensive team was with the 76ers but the 76ers were stacked and were by far the best perimeter defensive team with Dr. J and Bobby Jones.

[D.J.]

(A) bigs who can't defend but can rebound


David Lee, Kevin Love, Carlos Boozer, Jayson Williams



(B) bigs who can't rebound but can defend


Kenyon Martin, Jason Collins, Kendrick Perkins, Rasheed Wallace

[SHAQisGOAT]

I'm pretty sure he is referring to Moses Malone.

I think Moses Malone COULD play defense but he didn't.

A large part of it would be because of how he went for every offensive rebound which made it more difficult for him to get back on defense.

He was a good post-defender though but most stats show that the teams that he has been on have been a very poor defensive team.

The only time he was on a good defensive team was with the 76ers but the 76ers were stacked and were by far the best perimeter defensive team with Dr. J and Bobby Jones.

True, Moses could play some D when he wanted too, especially with his agressiveness, he really improved that 76ers team, what they needed to get the chip.

The Rockets were not bad defensive though, at all. And don't forget about Moe Cheeks, also a great defensive player. I won't say by far also, Bucks had great perimeter D, Lakers also really good.

[MichaelCheazley]

How has no one mentioned Jermaine O'neal for good defender, terrible rebounder?

[FreezingTsmoove]

How has no one mentioned Jermaine O'neal for good defender, terrible rebounder?

He was an excellent rebounder in his pacer days though. Everywhere else :no:

[SHAQisGOAT]

(A) Lee, K-Love, Boozer...


(B) Perkins, Ratliff, 'Sheed...

[DatAsh]

Would ya'll consider Joel Anthony a good defender?

Because his rebounding is probably on par with his jump shooting

I would say that Joel is probably a good example of B

[alwaysunny]

How has no one mentioned Jermaine O'neal for good defender, terrible rebounder?

hmm you're right his rebounding rate is much lower than I thought. I always overrate him because I only focus on his playoff stats in 2003 where his RPG was like 17.5, and that was only an average of 6 games. :lol

[Whoah10115]

Charles Oakley was a good to great rebounder....he played physical style of defense but he was never a great defender



Uhhhhhh, no.




EDIT: Someone said Jermaine O'Neal wasn't a good rebounder? When he was healthy? Uhhh, no.

[IamSofaKing]

How about a big that couldn't defend and rebound?

Andrea Bargnani

[Fudge]

A) cant defend but can rebound - David Lee, Carlos Boozer

B) can't rebound but can defend - Kendrick Perkins, LaMarcus Aldridge (surprised he hasn't averaged 9 rpg yet)

C) can't rebound nor defend - Amare Stoudemire, Andrea Bargnani, Brook Lopez

[Freedom Kid7]

How about a big that couldn't defend and rebound?

Andrea Bargnani
:lol

The Big who can't defend yet can rebound - It's amazing that in Chicago he can get around 10 rebounds or so a game and play no defense

The Big who can defend yet can't rebound - Rasheed ultimately. I wanna say Nick Collison but he averaged 10 + rpg earlier in his career. Tyson for being such a good defender you'd imagine he'd rebound more

The Big who has no useful big skills - Andrea Bargnani. Can't score, defend or rebound effeciently.

[MichaelCheazley]

Uhhhhhh, no.




EDIT: Someone said Jermaine O'Neal wasn't a good rebounder? When he was healthy? Uhhh, no.
Hmmm...

[RRR3]

Tyson Chandler is a great defender, but his rebounding could be better for his size.
:biggums: Chandler is a terrific rebounder, he's finished 2nd and 3rd in the NBA in RPG in consecutive seasons. He's been top 10 in RPG for 6 seasons, including last year.



To Cheazley, O'Neal in his Pacer days was good for 10-11 boards a night.

[bluechox2]

zbo is a

[poido123]

Boozer the rebounding "phonebox"

[SevereUpInHere]

Surprised not to see Kris Humphries mentioned so far, after David Lee he was the 1st one I thought of.

Maybe Ibaka for B, blocks a lot of shots but not a lot of boards.

[MichaelCheazley]

:biggums: Chandler is a terrific rebounder, he's finished 2nd and 3rd in the NBA in RPG in consecutive seasons. He's been top 10 in RPG for 6 seasons, including last year.



To Cheazley, O'Neal in his Pacer days was good for 10-11 boards a night.
I know he was. But Im more criticizing his fundamentals and hustle when it comes to rebounding. Sometimes you're just not as good as numbers indicate. And injuries sure play a part but camby is made of glass and is still a great rebounder.

[CarlosBoozer]

Sup guys :pimp:

[sundizz]

Hold on, wasn't physical defense important especially during the post up era? Same with Malone, he was a very good positional defender.

Lol Charles Oak was considered one of the best, if not best, post defender in about 93. Horace Grant when asked about his defense ability said...he's (himself) is pretty good, but no one is as good as Oakley.

[Collie]

Patrick Ewing was a pretty mediocre rebounder for much of his early career.