Looper is getting amazing reviews

[Myth]

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/looper/

So far, 100% with an avg rating of 8.6/10 from 26 critics.

Just a few critic quotes:


The smartest movie of the year and the best action movie of the year.


Rian Johnson's 'Looper' is one of the year's best films... a huge jump forward for a filmmaker whose first two films both exhibited a strong, clear voice.


Stitched together with dynamism and precision


[Rian Johnson's] grandly conceived, impressively mounted third feature shows a giddy, geeky interest in science-fiction, then forces it into the back seat and lets the multidimensional characters drive.


There's a bit of Twelve Monkeys, more than a dash of Terminator 2.

This may end up being my favorite movie of the year.

[SourPatchKids]

It will probably be one of the few movies that get higher critic reviews than user reviews. I'll probably watch it with a male friend cause girls will probably just gush every 5 seconds about how hot JGL is.

[Myth]

It will probably be one of the few movies that get higher critic reviews than user reviews. I'll probably watch it with a male friend cause girls will probably just gush every 5 seconds about how hot JGL is.

I don't know, it sounds like pure entertainment. Out of the 26 critics so far, it has twice drawn 2 comparisons to the Terminator franchise, which is beloved by fans. One critic called it the best sci-fi film since 2006's Children of Men.

[BankShot]

I don't know, it sounds like pure entertainment.


One critic called it the best sci-fi film since 2006's Children of Men.

Two great quotes. :applause: :applause:

[magictricked]

The previews look promising. Good to see it's getting the reviews to back it up. Nothing worse than previews that get you all pumped up then the movie's crap

[1987_Lakers]

It looks promising and I like JGL, unfortunately the release date is the day after 2k13 so will not watch it at opening day.

I think the movie comes out a week before 2k13 is out.

[DeuceWallaces]

You had me at Bruce Willis.

[BankShot]

But Children of Men was wack as hell.

Really?? I, as well as the general critical consensus, thought 'Children of Men' was one of the best sci-fi/post-apocalyptic/distopia movies of the last ten years

[sunsfan1357]

I've been waiting for this to see for a while since I first saw the trailer at some other movie I went to. Glad to see its getting some good reviews.

[SourPatchKids]

http://www.forumsextreme.com/images2/sFun_hourglass.gif
Counting down until next Friday.

[GatorKid117]

Yeah, that's what everyone says. I hated it though.

I disliked it too. I was so pumped to see it. I thought it would be amazing.

I don't quite remember why I disliked but I want to say I found it rather boring which is odd. Guess it never drew me in.

[InspiredLebowski]

I'll check it out. JGL and Willis (when he wants to be) are both really good. It's an interesting concept. But the trailers look just crappy.

Lincoln's trailer disappointed the hell outta me to, more Spielberg schmaltz, but it's DDL playing Lincoln.

[Riddler]

Will try to see this Friday Night...

bump.

[ZeN]

Children of Men was outstanding...the camera work particularly.

[Myth]

Will try to see this Friday Night...

bump.

I'm seeing it Saturday. Going to a party on Friday.

[DeuceWallaces]

Gonna try and catch it this weekend sometime.

[JtotheIzzo]

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/looper/

So far, 100% with an avg rating of 8.6/10 from 26 critics.

Just a few critic quotes:











This may end up being my favorite movie of the year.

The idea that the mob controls time travel always cracks me up. What a stupidly unbelievable premise, the movie is already ruined because of that for me.
Like a bunch of meathead guidos would be on the cutting edge of science. The f*ck out with that nonsense.

[Myth]

The idea that the mob controls time travel always cracks me up. What a stupidly unbelievable premise, the movie is already ruined because of that for me.
Like a bunch of meathead guidos would be on the cutting edge of science. The f*ck out with that nonsense.

Well sure, the mob in it's present state would not be the ones controlling it. But we don't know what types of ruins the future could be in 30+ years. Also, it says it controls time travel, not invented it. If time travel were made illegal by the government, then the mob would likely be the ones that gain control of it, just like they were in control of the alcohol during the prohibition. But if you are going to let that ruin the movie for you, then don't watch it while the rest of us have a great time at the movies :D

[El Kabong]

Saw it today. The best sci-fi movie I've seen in the past few years (up there with Moon and Time Crimes). Very action packed first half which slows down in the second, but it's still very entertaining. Look out for the performance by the little kid Pierce Gagnon, it's impressive.

Judging from the trailer I thought it'd be a very straight laced sci-fi action/chase type film (Like a sci-fi Fugitive), but there's a whole other story in there which is a very moral grey area where you can find yourself jumping back and forth over which character you'd identify and agree with them and their actions.

[ZeN]

Saw it today. The best sci-fi movie I've seen in the past few years (up there with Moon and Time Crimes). Very action packed first half which slows down in the second, but it's still very entertaining. Look out for the performance by the little kid Pierce Gagnon, it's impressive.

Judging from the trailer I thought it'd be a very straight laced sci-fi action/chase type film (Like a sci-fi Fugitive), but there's a whole other story in there which is a very moral grey area where you can find yourself jumping back and forth over which character you'd identify and agree with them and their actions.
QFT

It was brilliantly executed.

[Balla_Status]

Saw it today. Great movie.

[tmacattack33]

I didn't even know what it was before now, but from the little description it looks it could be great.

[Balla_Status]

To be honest, these time travel movies really **** with your head.


SPOILER ALERT:































So, the reason why the dude became the rainmaker was because of the whole shenanigans that almost happened at the end.

But the rainmaker still existed when present Joe killed future Joe.

So basically, since present Joe didn't kill future Joe (which is dumb because otherwise future Joe wouldn't have existed the way he did) he saw that there would just be a continuous loop of present joe not killing future joe and sid catching the train and becoming the rainmaker.

[ZeN]

I actually thought that this was one of the time travel movies that didn't fukk with your head. It was pretty clear and straightforward.

[D-Rose]

Just got back from seeing it. Wow. My jaw was dropped at the ending. Certainly the best action thriller of the year and arguably my film of the year so far. Loved it, the time travel was very well done. Story had a lot more depth than the trailer revealed.

[Meticode]

Hmmm, I might have to use my free movie pass to see this.

[DonDadda59]

Saw it a little while ago, damn good movie, will give review in rate thread.


I actually thought that this was one of the time travel movies that didn't fukk with your head. It was pretty clear and straightforward.

Yeah, Bruce Willis made it clear during his little speech in the dinner that the movie basically wasn't going to get into the specifics and mind f*ck of the time travel concept. I think it was something like 'We would be hear all day talking about how time travel works...'.

Probably a cop out so they wouldn't have to explain away some plot holes, but I let it slide since they laid it out on the table- the movie isn't going to delve into the theory surrounding time travel, only the actual execution. I can vibe with that.

[El Kabong]

There's probably always going to be plot holes with time travelling movies, that's just the way it is when you decide to use it in a story. Nothing to be done about it, no matter how hard you try to fill in and explain every little detail.

[Myth]

F*cking loved this movie. It is either #1 or #2 movie of the year for me. I'll give it some time to sink in before settling on such an answer.

[Myth]

Btw, I thought the movie felt like some combination of Terminator 2, 12 Monkeys, and Carrie, but with it's own style.

Terminator 2 because of the dynamics of having a man from the future trying to kill a kid, a protector figure, the kid himself, and a mother trying to work with the protector to keep the kid alive.

12 Monkeys because of how the ending of each movie ties into how all the problems of the future started (plus having Bruce Willis).

Carrie because.... well that is obvious.

[embersyc]

It was a decent flick, but I think the setup ends up being way better than the execution. The first hour is really good, but then it starts to go downhill and the ending was far too predictable.

[matt1016]

I liked this movie a lot, but I am a sucker for time travel stories.

here's my cartoon review:

http://imageshack.us/a/img253/5118/looperfinal1.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/253/looperfinal1.jpg/)

[Mr Know It All]

Here's my mini spoilerish review:

The Good:

- JGL was solid as hell as always, he and Bruce played well off of each other and his makeup was great

- Action was tense and well done, decent amount of gore as well which I was happy with (the movie was 14A rather than 18A in Canada, so I was somewhat skeptical, but it pleased me)

- One particular scene was original and really impressive (SPOILER: Joe's friend's future self is attempting to escape, and he begins to lose limbs and other portions of his body as he is trying to run back to the location, tense and horrifying scene so well done)

The Bad:

- I wish the characters had been a little more complex, and that shallowness made the movie somewhat predictable (as someone already mentioned, the last half of the movie really suffered)

- The ending seemed thrown together to me, it was cliche and actually did not make any real sense over the context of the rest of the film (I'll explain this in the next paragraph). It seemed like they had a wonderful concept, but they didn't really know how to end it, so they just "went" with what they thought up here

Problem with the Ending for those who have seen it (DO NOT READ IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN IT):

- Old Joe (Bruce Willis) has gone back in time to kill the Rainmaker, who has taken over in his time and is calling for the mass execution of all Loopers. When he finally gets to Cid (the future rainmaker) he is insistent on killing him, and Young Joe (JGL) reasons that the Rainmaker would become who he is because he witnessed Old Joe (Willis) kill his mother and he would be filled with vengeance. So, Young Joe kills himself and "closes his loop" while also preventing a horrible future (at least what is his reasoning, and I assume that of the filmmaker)

However, the problem is Old Joe did not know of Cid, so there is no way Young Joe could have that reasoning. The Rainmaker is who is was because of other factors, he never encountered Joe in the other reality, so he became who he was anyway (he clearly was unstable with his mother anyway). So in the end, either Young Joe's sacrifice was moot and pointless (even reckless, considering the Rainmaker will become a large problem anyway), or it was an oversight by the filmmaker and at best a lazy ending.

Just my two cents, wondering what others think about this.

[D-Rose]

Piper Perabo was hot, but wow those tits are tiny.

As for the ending: SPOILERS DON'T REAF FURTHER IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN: Its not just that Cid's life is spared so he isn't bad in the future. Its that in the last scene he finally makes a connection with Sara (as his TK fury is being unleashed). He finally accepts her emotionally as his mother and that is powerful enough to change his future. Time travel is so complicated, but the ending was rather simple. A lot of people also thinking Cid is Joe because of the hair things at the end, not true IMO just a symbolic image. and also the mob boss (Abe) from the future was the same person as the other guy...who keeps failing but catches Bruce towards the end.

[Myth]

However, the problem is Old Joe did not know of Cid, so there is no way Young Joe could have that reasoning. The Rainmaker is who is was because of other factors, he never encountered Joe in the other reality, so he became who he was anyway (he clearly was unstable with his mother anyway). So in the end, either Young Joe's sacrifice was moot and pointless (even reckless, considering the Rainmaker will become a large problem anyway), or it was an oversight by the filmmaker and at best a lazy ending.



An alternative view to that scene at the end is that the Rainmaker never trusted Sarah and viewed her as his mom until that moment. If neither Joe ever came into their lives, the boy would have continued to hate Sarah and view her as a liar. But by the 2 Joe's coming into their lives, that put them in a situation where Sarah earned Rainmaker's trust in her as his mom. Additionally, young Joe provided her with insight on a potential future that she would not have known in the other timelines, which could also change the future.

[Myth]

As for the ending: SPOILERS DON'T REAF FURTHER IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN: Its not just that Cid's life is spared so he isn't bad in the future. Its that in the last scene he finally makes a connection with Sara (as his TK fury is being unleashed). He finally accepts her emotionally as his mother and that is powerful enough to change his future.

Damn, you beat me by seconds. :cheers:

[raiderfan19]

Spoiler
CID definitely isn't joe. I though about the possibility but no for a variety of reasons. Joe isn't tk and the time travel timing doesn't work. Next you can get past joe not remembering the kid because of his memory being a cloud and not remembering things until young joe does them. Also it can be that two people being willing to give their lives for him is what made him good rather than only the fact that the killing of his mom is what made him bad.

[D-Rose]

Damn, you beat me by seconds. :cheers:
Was a great film :cheers:

Anyone think there's any chance of additional movie in this universe? Guessing only prequels could include JGL...well what if they did a sequel in which a Joe goes back at a different time before this film and changes the events that happened here? Or an evil person does that to ensure rainmaker is in power. Mindblowing possibilities lol

[Myth]

Was a great film :cheers:

Anyone think there's any chance of additional movie in this universe? Guessing only prequels could include JGL...well what if they did a sequel in which a Joe goes back at a different time before this film and changes the events that happened here? Or an evil person does that to ensure rainmaker is in power. Mindblowing possibilities lol

I don't see it working out. They may try a direct to DVD take on it with different actors, but I don't see a good enough story left to get the actors to sign on. Reminds me of Butterfly Effect's sequels where there was no real logical reason to include Kutcher in a sequel, so they just did a similar thing with another actor on a straight to DVD movie.

[D-Rose]

SPOILERS:


There is one thing I need some explanation on. When Bruce first comes back and attacks JGL and runs away, JGL wakes up and goes back to the city. He falls off the apartment and the screen goes black. Then it cuts back to JGL waiting for his target and it's Bruce and he kills him. Then it goes on to show the next 30 years and then Bruce comes back to 2044 and it shows his perspective from back from the top of this paragraph till when JGL falls off the apartment.

So what was the part where he gets shot by JGL all about? A dream? Or is it showing that since he killed him and closed the loop, there's 30 years left to live and when he is forced to come back to 2044, he changes the past by not getting killed?

[ZeN]

Was a great film :cheers:

Anyone think there's any chance of additional movie in this universe? Guessing only prequels could include JGL...well what if they did a sequel in which a Joe goes back at a different time before this film and changes the events that happened here? Or an evil person does that to ensure rainmaker is in power. Mindblowing possibilities lol
I would like a spin-off type film where we see what happens to CID and what new life he led.. It would have a great set up in Looper and a foundation for its premise but wont be tied down to any specifics, so it can basically turn into any type of film imagined.

Maybe he does the same things.. (infiltrate the mob, take over.. to destroy the time machines.. instead of the Loopers themselves..that way Joe never becomes one gets to live a different version of his life and gets to meet the china female ) then have it occur where he meets a chick that is being threatened by the MOB and he takes them down with intellect ingenuity and his TK..


There is a bunch of different possible scenarios that could be explored, but that's the one id prefer.

[ZeN]

SPOILERS:


There is one thing I need some explanation on. When Bruce first comes back and attacks JGL and runs away, JGL wakes up and goes back to the city. He falls off the apartment and the screen goes black. Then it cuts back to JGL waiting for his target and it's Bruce and he kills him. Then it goes on to show the next 30 years and then Bruce comes back to 2044 and it shows his perspective from back from the top of this paragraph till when JGL falls off the apartment.

So what was the part where he gets shot by JGL all about? A dream? Or is it showing that since he killed him and closed the loop, there's 30 years left to live and when he is forced to come back to 2044, he changes the past by not getting killed?
Two different timelines.

One occured first.. and it was a catalyst for the second timeline to occur.

[D-Rose]

Two different timelines.

One occured first.. and it was a catalyst for the second timeline to occur.
Ah I see that makes sense, kinda pulled a Donnie Darko on me there lol

[Myth]

Here is your prequel D-Rose: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkJu5VX972M

[ZeN]

Here is your prequel D-Rose: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkJu5VX972M
:lol

[Mr Know It All]

Piper Perabo was hot, but wow those tits are tiny.

As for the ending: SPOILERS DON'T REAF FURTHER IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN: Its not just that Cid's life is spared so he isn't bad in the future. Its that in the last scene he finally makes a connection with Sara (as his TK fury is being unleashed). He finally accepts her emotionally as his mother and that is powerful enough to change his future. Time travel is so complicated, but the ending was rather simple. A lot of people also thinking Cid is Joe because of the hair things at the end, not true IMO just a symbolic image. and also the mob boss (Abe) from the future was the same person as the other guy...who keeps failing but catches Bruce towards the end.

Meh I can accept that ending but its still iffy and a bit too 'simple' of an ending for a movie that wanted to be smart. Cid accepting his her as his mom in one traumatic incident is to convenient and ignores many variables, he could feel different the very next day, just my opinion.

[raiderfan19]

Meh I can accept that ending but its still iffy and a bit too 'simple' of an ending for a movie that wanted to be smart. Cid accepting his her as his mom in one traumatic incident is to convenient and ignores many variables, he could feel different the very next day, just my opinion.
We don't know that he still grows up to be the rainmaker, but we don't know that he doesn't either. That's one of the cool things, joes sacrifice didnt make him good, it just gave him the opportunity to be good.

[bagelred]

Just saw it. Seemed to be leading up to something great, but ended up just good.

SPOILER ALERT........actually why is anyone reading this thread if haven't seen movie.........hey, it's your own fault.....

I also thought the ending was weak and that they had another major twist or clever resolution coming. We didn't get that.

So JGL decides to kill himself to save some kid he barely knows who may or may not grow up to be some evil reckoning machine? Huh? Why? I don't know.....fell into typical movie logic......so the kid has a "breakthrough" JUST at that moment. Convenient. And how does JGL even know killing himself will work?

Good concept........crafted really well.......but that last 1/3 of the movie wasn't thought out that well.......

[raiderfan19]

Btw while everyone knows joe killed himself for the kid, the other thing is by killing himself he saved the girl that became his future wife. She never meets him and is therefore never killed by the mob

[Myth]

Btw while everyone knows joe killed himself for the kid, the other thing is by killing himself he saved the girl that became his future wife. She never meets him and is therefore never killed by the mob

Also, he saves the kid's mom. One aspect I liked about this movie is that he never meets the asian wife who saves him, but instead he finds his own soul mate (at least the way I view it) in the mother, and she is his own savior.

[raiderfan19]

Also, he saves the kid's mom. One aspect I liked about this movie is that he never meets the asian wife who saves him, but instead he finds his own soul mate (at least the way I view it) in the mother, and she is his own savior.
Yeah, I agree that's why Bruce had to slap himself and remind him of the Chinese woman when joe met the mom. What I was saying though was that I think joe was intentionally saving the woman he hadn't met. He knew he was saving the mom and the girl and maybe the kid based on his circle comment.

[D-Rose]

Here is your prequel D-Rose: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkJu5VX972M
Wow :roll: :applause:

[millwad]

Anyone got a stream?

[YGS]

Btw while everyone knows joe killed himself for the kid, the other thing is by killing himself he saved the girl that became his future wife. She never meets him and is therefore never killed by the mob
This.

Along with the fact that young Joes situation parallels old Joes. He got taken up by that woman in the farm, she took care of him and helped him get over his drug withdrawal and they connected in a way that may have been deep. We just didnt see the full extent of the relationship.

[Balla_Status]

This.

Along with the fact that young Joes situation parallels old Joes. He got taken up by that woman in the farm, she took care of him and helped him get over his drug withdrawal and they connected in a way that may have been deep. We just didnt see the full extent of the relationship.

Yeah, we didn't. IYKWIM.

Anybody else laugh when the mom was about to *********e but wanted the real thing and called up Joe?

[YGS]

Yeah, we didn't. IYKWIM.

Anybody else laugh when the mom was about to *********e but wanted the real thing and called up Joe?


that was one of the most authentic parts of the movie

[Bosnian Sajo]

The end of the movie left the theater I was watching in silent. No one said a word and then the credits just started rolling. Really good movie.

[Randy]

Why didn't Joe just shoot off his hand? And, more glaringly, if Old Joe realizes things at the same moment of Young Joe, wouldn't he have realized the impact of killing Sara and not done so?

Loved the film, good to see original content actually being made.

[ZeN]

Why didn't Joe just shoot off his hand? And, more glaringly, if Old Joe realizes things at the same moment of Young Joe, wouldn't he have realized the impact of killing Sara and not done so?

Loved the film, good to see original content actually being made.
Old Joe doesn't absorb things till after they have happened, not necessarily in real time. Throughout the film we saw relative delays. Also, he was blinded by bias.. Driven by a future that he was sure young naive Joe could never understand. Emotion and impulsiveness drove much of the momentary motivations.. Each Joe having gotten caught up in his own idea of what was just.

[Myth]

Why didn't Joe just shoot off his hand?

Good thinking. Blow off the hand that old Joe was using for his gun, then run up and shoot old Joe.

[ZeN]

Good thinking. Blow off the hand that old Joe was using for his gun, then run up and shoot old Joe.
No offense but I would assume that someone that basically lived a life building up survival nefarious instincts would have the ability to shoot the gun with his other hand. Im sure he's sustained injuries before where he would have to learn how to become ambidextrous. Although I do confess that after stumbling the first moment and having to recollect and aim with one hand is a tall order to ask of him. Just saying it wouldn't be an impossibility. Also, like the memories.. The body injury could have a delay (unlike death) and the moment would pass before the hand injury would take effect. With death it seems different since it negates an entire timeline having occurred...more of an instantaneous effect.

[Cali Syndicate]

Yeah, we didn't. IYKWIM.

Anybody else laugh when the mom was about to *********e but wanted the real thing and called up Joe?

Horny Toad.

[Myth]

No offense but I would assume that someone that basically lived a life building up survival nefarious instincts would have the ability to shoot the gun with his other hand. Im sure he's sustained injuries before where he would have to learn how to become ambidextrous. Although I do confess that after stumbling the first moment and having to recollect and aim with one hand is a tall order to ask of him. Just saying it wouldn't be an impossibility. Also, like the memories.. The body injury could have a delay (unlike death) and the moment would pass before the hand injury would take effect. With death it seems different since it negates an entire timeline having occurred...more of an instantaneous effect.

I imagined that body injuries show up at the same delay that the whole body disappears. And it isn't that Bruce Willis wouldn't have ability to shoot with his other hand, it is that when JGL blows off his hand, Bruce's hand disappears and the gun is dropped, giving JGL time to take out Bruce (only if he can get past the pain to get to Bruce before he picks up the gun, which is a pretty tall order). Ultimately though, JGL had to make a split second decision, and that doesn't really give you the time to consider the pros and cons of killing himself versus shooting off his hand.

[ZeN]

I just realized that as well.. Shooting off the hand would essentially place both in an equal predicament. Young Joe would have to take extra time shooting it off (because its an awkward task I imagine) plus then how would he instantly be able to shoot old Joe with the injury? He too would have to collect himself and find a way to cope with his new found disability..lol.. Wouldn't just be able to run forward and expire his old self.lol

[Take Your Lumps]

Why didn't Joe just shoot off his hand?

Yeah, but if he did that then all old Joe would have to do is pick up the gun with his other hand. At this point, Young Joe would have to kill himself to stop him anyway because he can't shoot off his other hand when it's the only one he has to handle a gun :D

[raiderfan19]

Btw if you really think about it, how do we know rainmaker was really a bad guy in the original timeline? Yeah he was bad for joe but remember joe was a hit man. Apparently the loopers were the main way people killed people in the future, so if you really think about it the fact that he was closing all the loops doesn't remotely prove that he was a bad guy

[Thorpesaurous]

I put my review in the Rate the last movie thread,

I really dig time travel logic, and I felt like this did a nice job with it. One of my favorite parts was when they first meet at the diner and Old Joe yells at him about getting into Time Travel logic, it was a nice way to sort of wink at the audience and say just run with me here for a little while. It gave me a chuckle.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

Just saw it. Seemed to be leading up to something great, but ended up just good.

SPOILER ALERT........actually why is anyone reading this thread if haven't seen movie.........hey, it's your own fault.....

I also thought the ending was weak and that they had another major twist or clever resolution coming. We didn't get that.

So JGL decides to kill himself to save some kid he barely knows who may or may not grow up to be some evil reckoning machine? Huh? Why? I don't know.....fell into typical movie logic......so the kid has a "breakthrough" JUST at that moment. Convenient. And how does JGL even know killing himself will work?

Good concept........crafted really well.......but that last 1/3 of the movie wasn't thought out that well.......
Um what? They made it pretty obvious hes the rainmaker. JGL has an epiphany and sees exactly how he turns into the rainmaker... Did you miss that whole part?

[Balla_Status]

Um what? They made it pretty obvious hes the rainmaker. JGL has an epiphany and sees exactly how he turns into the rainmaker... Did you miss that whole part?

Yeah but that was in the 2nd timeline. How did he turn into rainmaker after getting the loop closed? (the first timeline)

[ZeN]

Yeah but that was in the 2nd timeline. How did he turn into rainmaker after getting the loop closed? (the first timeline)
Im guessing that the rainmaker will always essentially be the rainmaker.. (Buddhist Belief) but the difference would be the details.. His intentions, motivations and personal designations.

[raiderfan19]

The simplest reason to be sure joe isn't the rainmaker is because joe screwed the rainmakers mom, I don't think they went the incest route. The train scene didn't mean he was the kid, it meant he didn't wanna put the kid through what he went through

[ZeN]

The simplest reason to be sure joe isn't the rainmaker is because joe screwed the rainmakers mom, I don't think they went the incest route. The train scene didn't mean he was the kid, it meant he didn't wanna put the kid through what he went through

The train scene was Cid having to move on because he just saw his mom get shot.. It was part of the whole situation where Cid runs away in a train and starts his jaded journey into becoming the rainmaker. It was a scene that was part of young Joes epiphany. His realization of what would transpire once the MILF was shot down in cold blood.

I know you're not saying they are the same person. Just saying that I dont think its even remotely possible to imagine Joe being Cid. There are dozens of details that would make it impossible.

[ZeN]

Something that hasn't been brought up in this thread yet, how about that first looper that ran. The way the used the doctor to hack him apart, that was awesome!



Would have been cool to have a scene (maybe in the DVD deleted scenes) where we see the doctor torturing and severing body parts in the young guy and then seeing the old one progressively get the wounds.. If done right, it could be a crazy spectacle. I say in the DVD cause such a scene would have been excessive in the film..lol

[Thorpesaurous]

I found this pretty followable by time travel standards too. They set up a fairly straightforward set of rules, and it was a pretty straightforward story really for what it was.

And I'm with Zen, I don't see any reasonable way you can make a case for Sid being Joe.

[Myth]

My gf walked away a little confused, she wasn't sure how JGL knew cid would grow up to be the rainmaker.

Dump her. :D


Zen - It looked like it was a surgeon or something, so I think the young version of the friend was unconscious while they removed limbs. They didn't need to torture him, just strike the fear of God in the old version of him to get him to come to them.

[iamgine]

Question: Near the end, after the field TK scene, why didn't old Joe automatically went back to his time?

[Myth]

Question: Near the end, after the field TK scene, why didn't old Joe automatically went back to his time?

I'm confused as to why you think he would go back to his time. The way this movie was set up was that the existence each individual version of himself is effected by the past version of himself, so if the past version of himself dies, then the future version would no longer exist.

[iamgine]

I'm confused as to why you think he would go back to his time. The way this movie was set up was that the existence each individual version of himself is effected by the past version of himself, so if the past version of himself dies, then the future version would no longer exist.
I mean at the point of time between "After the TK ends" and "Before Young Joe kill himself". There's a period of time where Old Joe was falling down and then getting up and then pointing a gun at the mother. But since at that point Cid wouldn't be Rainmaker (unless Old Joe kills his mother), shouldn't he automatically go back to his time (Then Young Joe wouldn't need to kill himself)?

[ZeN]

Dump her. :D


Zen - It looked like it was a surgeon or something, so I think the young version of the friend was unconscious while they removed limbs. They didn't need to torture him, just strike the fear of God in the old version of him to get him to come to them.

Anti Heros' chick is too good looking to dump for such a trivial reason..lol

Yeah your right, I was a bit too lose in calling it torture..lol.. but im sure it would have been cool to see the progressive maiming and severing of body parts... But id argue.. that all the things being done would be a sort of torture for that older version. Maybe its just me but i think id be tormented by wounds manifesting themselves on my body and my anatomy decomposing before my very eyes..lol

[Myth]

I mean at the point of time between "After the TK ends" and "Before Young Joe kill himself". There's a period of time where Old Joe was falling down and then getting up and then pointing a gun at the mother. But since at that point Cid wouldn't be Rainmaker (unless Old Joe kills his mother), shouldn't he automatically go back to his time (Then Young Joe wouldn't need to kill himself)?

Why wouldn't Cid be Rainmaker anymore at that point? The thing that stopped him from becoming Rainmaker (assumed) was stopping old Joe from killing the mother, and nothing stopped him yet until young Joe killed himself. Using the TK didn't stop old Joe from killing the mother.

[Myth]

Anti Heros' chick is too good looking to dump for such a trivial reason..lol


I would hope that nobody breaks up with somebody simply because some stranger online says they should :lol

[iamgine]

Why wouldn't Cid be Rainmaker anymore at that point? The thing that stopped him from becoming Rainmaker (assumed) was stopping old Joe from killing the mother, and nothing stopped him yet until young Joe killed himself. Using the TK didn't stop old Joe from killing the mother.
Umm Cid wouldn't be rainmaker because he made connection with Sara.

[Myth]

Umm Cid wouldn't be rainmaker because he made connection with Sara.

But if Sara was killed by old Joe after that moment, then he would have even more rage in him, meaning he very easily could still turn into Rainmaker.

[iamgine]

But if Sara was killed by old Joe after that moment, then he would have even more rage in him, meaning he very easily could still turn into Rainmaker.
Thats the thing, Old Joe should disappear as soon as the field TK thing ended and gone back to his time since if he didn't kill Sara then Cid won't become Rainmaker.

[ZeN]

Thats the thing, Old Joe should disappear as soon as the field TK thing ended and gone back to his time since if he didn't kill Sara then Cid won't become Rainmaker.
Cid has the abilities. Has the relationship with Loopers. Knows the things young Joe expressed.

Just because he wont be an evil man that reigns terror, doesnt mean that he wont be a rainmaker seeking his version of justice.


Hes still going to become an adult that has more power than anyone in their day has ever encountered.

[iamgine]

Cid has the abilities. Has the relationship with Loopers. Knows the things young Joe expressed.

Just because he wont be an evil man that reigns terror, doesnt mean that he wont be a rainmaker seeking his version of justice.


Hes still going to become an adult that has more power than anyone in their day has ever encountered.
Yeah he could become some other kind of rainmaker...and that has nothing to do with Old Joe

[Myth]

Thats the thing, Old Joe should disappear as soon as the field TK thing ended and gone back to his time since if he didn't kill Sara then Cid won't become Rainmaker.

That... doesn't make any sense. Why did that stop him from killing her? It only delayed it. In fact, that moment didn't stop him from killing anybody. Old Joe injured Cid (Sara wasn't even in the line of fire yet), then Cid had his TK moment which Sara had him stop when they connected emotionally. Not sure how any of that stops Joe from shooting again. It is only after that moment when Sara stepped in front of the gun that would have set up the situation that created Cid as an angry mobster.

I'm honestly completely lost as to how you think that moment stopped Joe. Nobody stopped Joe until young Joe did.

[ZeN]

I'm honestly completely lost as to how you think that moment stopped Joe.


THIS.

[iamgine]

That... doesn't make any sense. Why did that stop him from killing her? It only delayed it. In fact, that moment didn't stop him from killing anybody. Old Joe injured Cid (Sara wasn't even in the line of fire yet), then Cid had his TK moment which Sara had him stop when they connected emotionally. Not sure how any of that stops Joe from shooting again. It is only after that moment when Sara stepped in front of the gun that would have set up the situation that created Cid as an angry mobster.

I'm honestly completely lost as to how you think that moment stopped Joe. Nobody stopped Joe until young Joe did.
Well, assuming Cid connecting with Sara was the thing that prevented him from becoming Rainmaker, then why wouldn't Joe be transported back to the future at that moment? The future was already changed by that moment.

[ZeN]

Well, assuming Cid connecting with Sara was the thing that prevented him from becoming Rainmaker, then why wouldn't Joe be transported back to the future at that moment? The future was already changed by that moment.
You are suffering from tunnel vision. The big picture awaits you.

[iamgine]

You are suffering from tunnel vision. The big picture awaits you.
You are suffering from the big picture. Tunnel vision awaits you.

[Myth]

Well, assuming Cid connecting with Sara was the thing that prevented him from becoming Rainmaker, then why wouldn't Joe be transported back to the future at that moment? The future was already changed by that moment.

His mother being alive and taking care of him was the bigger thing that kept him from becoming Rainmaker.

[iamgine]

His mother being alive and taking care of him was the bigger thing that kept him from becoming Rainmaker.
And that would've happened. Why was he given time to kill Sara and not just transported back to the future?

[Myth]

And that would've happened. Why was he given time to kill Sara and not just transported back to the future?

Why does Cid loving his mom stop Joe from killing her? Why does his love for her send him to the future? :confusedshrug: His lack of love for her wasn't what made him the Rainmaker. It was the killing of his mom whom he loved that made him the Rainmaker.

[InspiredLebowski]

This is apparently HUGE in China, opened bigger there than in the US. Has Chinese producers apparently.

[iamgine]

Why does Cid loving his mom stop Joe from killing her? Why does his love for her send him to the future? :confusedshrug: His lack of love for her wasn't what made him the Rainmaker. It was the killing of his mom whom he loved that made him the Rainmaker.
Because the future change when that happens.

[Myth]

Because the future change when that happens.

The future was constantly changing throughout the movie. The death of Joe was the only thing that became definite.

[iamgine]

The future was constantly changing throughout the movie. The death of Joe was the only thing that became definite.
If there's no rainmaker then Joe would've disappeared to the future.

[Myth]

If there's no rainmaker then Joe would've disappeared to the future.

But the only time there is no rainmaker was once Joe "closed the loop." If he doesn't close the loop, then the cycle is going to repeat itself again. Even then, it is still possible that Cid can become the Rainmaker.

Also, it was just a theory of Joe's that he would go back to the future (teehee). Nothing else in the movie indicated that he would definitely go back to the future.

[Jax]

Joe dying or staying in the past(same as dying) closes the loop right?
I love the movie and especially when the kid had that psycho look. They should make a Looper 2.

[FatComputerNerd]

:biggums:

It looked real wack from the trailer.

I love action movies and sci fi though.

But Children of Men was wack as hell.

I hope this is a joke. Children of Men was an incredible movie!


BTW, I thought Looper was very good.

[Myth]

They should make a Looper 2.

At best, they could come away with a decent straight to DVD sequel. A true Looper 2 with the same characters would be a bad idea since the movie wrapped up nicely for the character of Joe.

[AK47DR91]

Just saw this last night a drive-in theater, and was puzzled why they made it so obvious that Bruce Willis' character was Joe from the future. Girl I was with saw it coming too. Or are we wrong?

Personally, I thought the kid/Rainmaker character and angle was a little too much. If they would have just stuck with the Loop/Looper gangs then it would have been even better.

I thought it was a good flick nonetheless.

[SourPatchKids]

Who else thinks Cloud Atlas might top this?

[BrooklynZoo]

i guess im the only one who thought this movie was ****in weird? especially the whole thing with the little kid and bruce walking around tryna kill children. seemed almost comedic to me..

[Myth]

Just saw this last night a drive-in theater, and was puzzled why they made it so obvious that Bruce Willis' character was Joe from the future. Girl I was with saw it coming too. Or are we wrong?


Congrats on seeing something coming that was even attempted to be hidden. It wasn't supposed to be a twist. :oldlol:

[Myth]

Who else thinks Cloud Atlas might top this?

Not me. The only movie I think that could top this movie for me that comes out this year is Django Unchained.

[Lebron23]

http://digestmovies.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/looper-young-and-old-joe-diner.jpg

[CarlosBoozer]

Just watched Looper! Fantastic film :banana: Just curious, Why did Old Joe find it too strange to stare into Young Joe's eyes? Was it just a normal reaction to seeing your younger self or was it some foreshadowing that he would change the loop? Also if anyone is confused about how looper works, this blog explains everything http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/looperexplained

[red1]

this movie was surprisingly good

[Myth]

Just watched Looper! Fantastic film :banana: Just curious, Why did Old Joe find it too strange to stare into Young Joe's eyes? Was it just a normal reaction to seeing your younger self or was it some foreshadowing that he would change the loop? Also if anyone is confused about how looper works, this blog explains everything http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/looperexplained

I think it was just because it is strange to see your younger self. I know it would be weird to talk to teenage me.

[YGS]

Yeah, we didn't. IYKWIM.

Anybody else laugh when the mom was about to *********e but wanted the real thing and called up Joe?
Everyone was hoping for a bit more than what we got. :oldlol:

[IamRAMBO24]

I don't know, it sounds like pure entertainment. Out of the 26 critics so far, it has twice drawn 2 comparisons to the Terminator franchise, which is beloved by fans. One critic called it the best sci-fi film since 2006's Children of Men.

That's not saying a lot.