Would Kendall Gill be a All-Star in today's league?

[L.Kizzle]

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[RaininTwos]

You do realize that this the best era ever for point guard play right?

[L.Kizzle]

You do realize that this the best era ever for point guard play right?
It's not and he's not a point guard.

[andgar923]

It's not and he's not a point guard.
this

Just proves almost all of these dudes never actually watched any basketball pre 2k era.

[RaininTwos]

It's not and he's not a point guard.

He isn't going to make it past Wade/Rose/D-Will/Johnson/etc...in the east and he just isn't going to ever cut it in the West.

This is just a silly question.


this

Just proves almost all of these dudes never actually watched any basketball pre 2k era.

Or it proves that I understand that All-Star rosters are Guard-Guard/Forward-Foward/Center.

You two are so slow sometimes.

[WockaVodka]

The only people who are going to say yes are the people who overrate everything from the past. The people that probably say stuff like Rik Smits was better than Dwight Howard or Penny Hardaway was better than Lebron James.

[G-train]

The only people who are going to say yes are the people who overrate everything from the past. The people that probably say stuff like Rik Smits was better than Dwight Howard or Penny Hardaway was better than Lebron James.

Not really, he had a few seasons in East where he was better than Joe Johnson and Luol Deng last season.
So yes its possible he would be.

[L.Kizzle]

He isn't going to make it past Wade/Rose/D-Will/Johnson/etc...in the east and he just isn't going to ever cut it in the West.

This is just a silly question.



Or it proves that I understand that All-Star rosters are Guard-Guard/Forward-Foward/Center.

You two are so slow sometimes.
You don't think he's better than Joe Johnson?

[andgar923]

He isn't going to make it past Wade/Rose/D-Will/Johnson/etc...in the east and he just isn't going to ever cut it in the West.

This is just a silly question.



Or it proves that I understand that All-Star rosters are Guard-Guard/Forward-Foward/Center.

You two are so slow sometimes.

STFU you said POINT Guard, there's no way around it.

[d.bball.guy]

I remembered when I was younger my uncle told me Kendal Gill dunked from the 3 point line :lol :facepalm

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Not an allstar but still VERY solid.

Guys like Kenny Anderson, Van Exel, and Terrell Brandon would be killing it under these rules.

[L.Kizzle]

I remembered when I was younger my uncle told me Kendal Gill dunked from the 3 point line :lol :facepalm
Well, he's not wrong I remember that game.
:bowdown:

[DaHeezy]

He'd be no greater than Tony Allen, so no

[RaininTwos]

STFU you said POINT Guard, there's no way around it.
:facepalm

How slow are you?

I said that this is the golden era of PG's...I never said "Kendall Gill was a point guard". My point in saying that this is a era laden with point guards was to illustrate the stiff competition for the guard spots on the All-Star team. Anyone who takes the time to read and knows what they are talking about would have understood where I was coming from.

You really need to chill.

[andgar923]

Not really, he had a few seasons in East where he was better than Joe Johnson and Luol Deng last season.
So yes its possible he would be.

LOL he was the first person to come to mind. They make it seem as tho he was just a simple scrub and today's players are all amazingly talented.

Gill would've had a legitimate shot at being an all star. Good defender, great athlete, good enough scorer, don't see why he wouldn't have a shot at being an all star.

[RaininTwos]

Kendall is a guard, Luol Deng isnt...



You don't think he's better than Joe Johnson?
Even if he is, is he better than Rondo?

[G-train]

He'd be no greater than Tony Allen, so no

TA could average 20ppg?

[DaHeezy]

LOL he was the first person to come to mind. They make it seem as tho he was just a simple scrub and today's players are all amazingly talented.

Gill would've had a legitimate shot at being an all star. Good defender, great athlete, good enough scorer, don't see why he wouldn't have a shot at being an all star.


I don't think so. He wasn't as good in his prime as Hersey Hawkins who's made 1 all-star. Would Hersey be an all-star today? Not likely

[L.Kizzle]

LOL he was the first person to come to mind. They make it seem as tho he was just a simple scrub and today's players are all amazingly talented.

Gill would've had a legitimate shot at being an all star. Good defender, great athlete, good enough scorer, don't see why he wouldn't have a shot at being an all star.
That's what I'm saying. In his era, he was no different than Sean Elliot and Dan Majerle, and they made multiple All-Star appearances.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

:facepalm

How slow are you?

I said that this is the golden era of PG's...I never said "Kendall Gill was a point guard". My point in saying that this is a era laden with point guards was to illustrate the stiff competition for the guard spots on the All-Star team. Anyone who takes the time to read and knows what they are talking about would have understood where I was coming from.

You really need to chill.

Dude, no one is a mind reader. ANYONE reading your post would interpret it that way.

[G-train]

Kendall is a guard, Luol Deng isnt...

Kendall was as much of a 3 as he was a 2.

[RaininTwos]

Dude, no one is a mind reader. ANYONE reading your post would interpret it that way.
All Star selections aren't based that way so that wouldn't even make sense if you interpreted it that way.

I swear people just want to talk shit on here sometimes. Yes, you have use a mind and be a reader to comprehend my post. My bad.

[andgar923]

:facepalm

How slow are you?

I said that this is the golden era of PG's...I never said "Kendall Gill was a point guard". My point in saying that this is a era laden with point guards was to illustrate the stiff competition for the guard spots on the All-Star team. Anyone who takes the time to read and knows what they are talking about would have understood where I was coming from.

You really need to chill.

LOLLLLLL :roll: :roll: :roll:

[G-train]

I don't think so. He wasn't as good in his prime as Hersey Hawkins who's made 1 all-star. Would Hersey be an all-star today? Not likely

Hawkins 22/4/4 and 2 stls in allstar year, Kendall's rookie year.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

LOLLLLLL :roll: :roll: :roll:

Seriously



All Star selections aren't based that way so that wouldn't even make sense if you interpreted it that way.

I swear people just want to talk shit on here sometimes. Yes, you have use a mind and be a reader to comprehend my post. My bad.

Who's talking shit? :oldlol: I'm just saying, the way you worded your post made it seem like you thought Kendal was a PG.

[RaininTwos]

Kendall was as much of a 3 as he was a 2.
So you want to move him to forward spot?

Go right ahead, anything to make him an all star i guess.

[DaHeezy]

TA could average 20ppg?

TA could in the right situation. But scoring aside they have the same impact. Gill did not lead any team as a scoring leading to anything substantial. Had TA been healthy on the pre-trio Celts he very well could have had the same averages

[RaininTwos]

Seriously




Who's talking shit? :oldlol: I'm just saying, the way you worded your post made it seem like you thought Kendal was a PG.

LOL:oldlol: :lol :roll:

[andgar923]

Dude, no one is a mind reader. ANYONE reading your post would interpret it that way.

He's trying hard to spin this, but he can't.

And one would allow it to be a simple typo, but you can't mistype POINT guard for SHOOTING guard. And it wasn't even close as to which position he played, he was clearly a 2-3 player, nowhere near resembling a point.

[G-train]

All Star selections aren't based that way so that wouldn't even make sense if you interpreted it that way.

I swear people just want to talk shit on here sometimes. Yes, you have use a mind and be a reader to comprehend my post. My bad.

If you mistook Kendall for Eddie, no one would have cared.
:confusedshrug:

[DaHeezy]

Hawkins 22/4/4 and 2 stls in allstar year, Kendall's rookie year.

Kendall's 20 PPG year was the year after. Hawkins was still better

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

He's trying hard to spin this, but he can't.

And one would allow it to be a simple typo, but you can't mistype POINT guard for SHOOTING guard. And it wasn't even close as to which position he played, he was clearly a 2-3 player, nowhere near resembling a point.


Yep. Even if that weren't the case, dude is acting like everyone is supposed to know what he meant lol.

[L.Kizzle]

TA could in the right situation. But scoring aside they have the same impact. Gill did not lead any team as a scoring leading to anything substantial. Had TA been healthy on the pre-trio Celts he very well could have had the same averages
No cause he can't shoot. Kendall could.

KG was better than Tony at everything save defense and he wasn't no slouch in that department either.

[G-train]

So you want to move him to forward spot?

Go right ahead, anything to make him an all star i guess.

I'm not moving him, he played as a swing man between the 2 or 3.

[G-train]

TA could in the right situation. But scoring aside they have the same impact. Gill did not lead any team as a scoring leading to anything substantial. Had TA been healthy on the pre-trio Celts he very well could have had the same averages

Total bullshit sorry, TA doesnt touch Gill as an offensive player.

[RaininTwos]

Yep. Even if that weren't the case, dude is acting like everyone is supposed to know what he meant lol.
I already explained myself further in the next post so really, what are we blabbering on about again?

*silence*

[andgar923]

Look

[G-train]

Kendall's 20 PPG year was the year after. Hawkins was still better

Pretty similar
Then Kendall dropped 22 a game in 97.
Point is they could both be allstars in the East last season, which is what the thread is about.
If you dont think they are close to Deng or JJ last season, I dont think you watched them as I did.

[RaininTwos]

Here we go with the age shit again..:facepalm

[DaHeezy]

No cause he can't shoot. Kendall could.

KG was better than Tony at everything save defense and he wasn't no slouch in that department either.

They have the same shooting percentage, Kendall shoots more. Sorry, he wasn't a great shooter at all. Take out 1 good year he'sa barely a .300 shooter.

kendall was a slasher, same as Allen as a scorer

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I already explained myself further in the next post so really, what are we blabbering on about again?

*silence*

Right. Just not sure how that makes people "slow".

[L.Kizzle]

They have the same shooting percentage, Kendall shoots more. Sorry, he wasn't a great shooter at all. Take out 1 good year he'sa barely a .300 shooter.

kendall was a slasher, same as Allen as a scorer
Just because you have a bad shooting % doesn't mean you can't shoot. Take Gilbert Arenas ... Tony can't shoot.

[RaininTwos]

Right. Just not sure how that makes people "slow".
It's andgar and kizzle. Thousands of examples can be found

[DaHeezy]

Pretty similar
Then Kendall dropped 22 a game in 97.
Point is they could both be allstars in the East last season, which is what the thread is about.
If you dont think they are close to Deng or JJ last season, I dont think you watched them as I did.

I live in Vancouver, we had every Seattle game on cable. So please don't come with that "you haven't seen him" argument.

Here's a btter comparison. Tyreke Evans. Is he any better? Prolly a closer and more reasonable comparison to both player and situation. So still no.

[bizil]

I think Kendall could be an All Star in the L today. The SG spot is going through at transition stage as of now. The top two are still Kobe and D Wade. But legends like Vince, Ray, and Manu have slowed down or taken lesser roles. U got Joe Johnson who never really lived up to that superstar label or contract. In the early 2000s, we were used to having 8 of the top 10 SG's as SUPERSTARS! And even after that u had guys like Rip, Finley, Houston, Sprewell, and Stackhouse around as well. Now days, the SG spot would KILL for that kind of depth.

Gill given the lack of depth at SG could be an All Star today. Even in his era, the SG spot had WAY better depth than today. Of course MJ was BY FAR the best. But u still had Drexler, Dumars, Reggie, Mitch, Reggie Lewis, Spree, Houston, and Steve Smith. So he fell under the radar a lot. But in terms of all around ability, he was better than a lot of the SG's from his era. Other than MJ, Drexler, Spree, or Dumars.

[Legends66NBA7]

Under today's rules on the perimeter, he would probably see any increase in his number and probably would make an all-star team.

However, I don't think he would be a consistent all-star and would have to battle it out with other up and coming guards and established all-star guards too.

[L.Kizzle]

Under today's rules on the perimeter, he would probably see any increase in his number and probably would make an all-star team.

However, I don't think he would be a consistent all-star and would have to battle it out with other up and coming guards and established all-star guards too.
Caron Butler was a two time All-Star fairly recently. If Butler can be one, so can he.

[RaininTwos]

Caron Butler was a two time All-Star fairly recently. If Butler can be one, so can he.
oh sweet jesus

[L.Kizzle]

oh sweet jesus
Come on man, you tellin me "Tough Juice" is that much better than Gill? The nigha who chew on straws all game. :biggums:

[RaininTwos]

Come on man, you tellin me "Tough Juice" is that much better than Gill? The nigha who chew on straws all game. :biggums:
when did my senior year in hs become recent?? that shit was a half a decade ago, B.

That is not recently. The first Iphone came out right before that season, B. Please tell me how that is recently?

[Legends66NBA7]

Caron Butler was a two time All-Star fairly recently. If Butler can be one, so can he.

Were talking about all-star guards, right ? Butler is a forward.

When I mean consistent, like a guy who can rack up a lot of all-star game selections in a row. Probably 4-5 in a row seems right. Yeah, Butler got 2 in a row and that's it. That doesn't seem like enough to me (opinion).

I don't know if Gill can rack up 4-5 consecutive all-star game selections.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

LOLLLLLL :roll: :roll: :roll:

How do you think Kenny Anderson and your boy NVE would do today? All-stars? Borderline?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgFHEjJySf0

Off topic, but how the fukk did Charlotte not make the playoffs that year? LJ/Rice/Anderson/Gill :biggums:

[andgar923]

Come on man, you tellin me "Tough Juice" is that much better than Gill? The nigha who chew on straws all game. :biggums:

:roll:

I like him tho.

Problem with him is injuries. He has a better shot than Gill, and is tougher on the block as well. But all around it's still a close call since Gill could do a lot of things well. But people are forgetting how tough of a defender he was, even late in his career he was known as a defensive stopper.

Like some mentioned, in today's era he'd be slashing even more, his athleticism would be exploited more. Not that he'd be a lock in for the SG in the all star game, but he'd be in contention year in and year out.

[G-train]

I live in Vancouver, we had every Seattle game on cable. So please don't come with that "you haven't seen him" argument.

Here's a btter comparison. Tyreke Evans. Is he any better? Prolly a closer and more reasonable comparison to both player and situation. So still no.

He was a high end role player at Seattle, I'm obviously talking about his hornet/nets days.
I'm pretty convinced you arent remembering him correctly.

[G-train]

Were talking about all-star guards, right ? Butler is a forward.

When I mean consistent, like a guy who can rack up a lot of all-star game selections in a row. Probably 4-5 in a row seems right. Yeah, Butler got 2 in a row and that's it. That doesn't seem like enough to me (opinion).

I don't know if Gill can rack up 4-5 consecutive all-star game selections.

Gill was a small forward and shooting guard.

[L.Kizzle]

when did my senior year in hs become recent?? that shit was a half a decade ago, B.

That is not recently. The first Iphone came out right before that season, B. Please tell me how that is recently?
2008 is not recent to you? Not like I compared him to Glenn Robinson's 2 All-Star appearances, lol.

[Legends66NBA7]

Gill was a small forward and shooting guard.

Hmm, then his chances increase, but so does the opposition to get him in the all-star team.

[L.Kizzle]

Gill, Nick Anderson, Jim Jackson, Blue Edwards rank them?

[TheBigVeto]

Yes

[Cali Syndicate]

Could he be an all-star? Possibly, but not likely IMO.

[Cali Syndicate]

Were talking about all-star guards, right ? Butler is a forward.

When I mean consistent, like a guy who can rack up a lot of all-star game selections in a row. Probably 4-5 in a row seems right. Yeah, Butler got 2 in a row and that's it. That doesn't seem like enough to me (opinion).

I don't know if Gill can rack up 4-5 consecutive all-star game selections.

As in perennial? Not a chance.

[Legends66NBA7]

As in perennial? Not a chance.

Yeah, that's the word I wanted to use.

I don't see him as a perennial all-star.

[senelcoolidge]

Kendall Gill was a good player, underrated in his day because the competition was just that good. But in today's league I could see him being one of the best guards, if you take him in his early to prime years. Very athletic guard, could score the ball. Perennial no, but an All Star yes. He would stand out more in today's game.

[East_Stone_Ya]

if we are talking about 96-97 season Gill then answer would be yes

[Raz]

I said that this is the golden era of PG's...I never said "Kendall Gill was a point guard". My point in saying that this is a era laden with point guards was to illustrate the stiff competition for the guard spots on the All-Star team. Anyone who takes the time to read and knows what they are talking about would have understood where I was coming from.


This is ISH. You cannot have implied meaning here, people are always looking to get one up on another poster. GOBB actually said it best in an older thread the other day. He said something like, "Posters at ISH nowadays are looking to bring each other down, instead of being able to have a simple laugh together." You really can't leave anything out in a post, unless you want someone to take it the wrong way. I do it constantly, and then have to explain myself because people are too thick to fill in the gaps.

Anyway, Kendall Gill may be an all-star once or twice, but he would have to be in the crappier conference for guards when he did. I don't think a guy like Gill would be elite under our current rules. Harold Miner would have been an interesting guy to bring up instead, I really believe he could be an all-star under the current rules.

[MiseryCityTexas]

this

Just proves almost all of these dudes never actually watched any basketball pre 2k era.

what do you expect? he has 2 chainz in his avy.

[Overdrive]

Well depends. Gill always switched between G/F depending on his team, teammates, coach and defensive asignments. For SG I don't see that much of a chance, let's say, in the last 5 years, because Kobe+PG and Wade+PG have been the starters for a long time. I don't see him pushing the PG talent of the NBA out of the AS game.

Maybe he can take one bench stop from JJ or Ginobili, but I also doubt that.

As for SF I really believe he could. The SF spot has huge toptalent as in James, Anthony and Durant, but behind that it's crowded with talent of Gill's tier. A PF might take his spot though.

[Raz]

Also, whenever Gill was on a stacked team (Hornets, Sonics) his scoring took a nose-dive, and he wasn't good enough on defense to warrant a spot solely on his defense ability.

His best seasons offensively came on crappy teams.

[Dragonyeuw]

Nope....solid player but nothing spectacular....

Well, maybe a couple of selections but definitely not a perennial selection....

[Rake2204]

Gill, Nick Anderson, Jim Jackson, Blue Edwards rank them?My first instinct was to go Nick Anderson, Kendall Gill, Jim Jackson, Blue Edwards, but that's all subject to change depending on a deeper look. There's a lot of variables there. For instance, Jim Jackson had that monster season and he actually was able to play at a moderate level for much longer than any of those other players, so maybe that gives him a boost. And Blue Edwards is my favorite player from that list, but I think I feel comfortable with him being last.

I think Kendall Gill could have been an All-Star in today's game just as he could have in his day. I don't think a lot would have changed. If a couple other things changed (maybe a player going down to injury, maybe his own team performing better) maybe he'd have found a spot. Though, I think folks may be right, Gill seemed to go biggest when he was nearly the lone ranger. When he played on better teams, the numbers dropped. I'd like to think it's because he wanted to fit in any way possible, but I do recall him having issues in Seattle.

I guess I think he'd be a borderline All-Star in his best seasons both then and now. As others have said, I do not think he'd be a perennial guy.

[ILLsmak]

You don't think he's better than Joe Johnson?

Dude is right, though...

Too many guards are better than him. This is the era for guard play.

-Smak

[RaininTwos]

2008 is not recent to you? Not like I compared him to Glenn Robinson's 2 All-Star appearances, lol.
The landscape of the league has changed since 2008. The amount of player movement between conferences has made today a different time.


This is ISH. You cannot have implied meaning here, people are always looking to get one up on another poster. GOBB actually said it best in an older thread the other day. He said something like, "Posters at ISH nowadays are looking to bring each other down, instead of being able to have a simple laugh together." You really can't leave anything out in a post, unless you want someone to take it the wrong way. I do it constantly, and then have to explain myself because people are too thick to fill in the gaps.

That's correct. I have to start posting like Legends and leave NOTHING to interpretation because people are looking for anything to take a shot at me with these days. So sad.



Dude is right, though...

Too many guards are better than him. This is the era for guard play.

-Smak
Exactly.

People want to use his 96-97 season when he wasn't getting his team wins in order to say that he would be an all-star today. You have to be truly elite in this era to make the all-star team as a guard, especially when you are on a losing team like those Nets.
26-56 isn't really cutting man.

[jstern]

:facepalm

How slow are you?

I said that this is the golden era of PG's...I never said "Kendall Gill was a point guard". My point in saying that this is a era laden with point guards was to illustrate the stiff competition for the guard spots on the All-Star team. Anyone who takes the time to read and knows what they are talking about would have understood where I was coming from.

You really need to chill.

There's no defending it. I don't see the shooting guard position getting affected by point guards. Are Kobe's or Wade numbers less than they should be because of the point guards? Would he not make a team because of the point guards? Play less minutes? Are the point guards going to prevent him from scoring more points?

The questions is basically how much better would his numbers be with the newer rules, and if that's enough to make him an All Star.

[chazzy]

There's no defending it. I don't see the shooting guard position getting affected by point guards. Are Kobe's or Wade numbers less than they should be because of the point guards? Would he not make a team because of the point guards? Play less minutes? Are the point guards going to prevent him from scoring more points?

The questions is basically how much better would his numbers be with the newer rules, and if that's enough to make him an All Star.
:facepalm He means the amount of good PGs makes it more difficult to grab a guard spot on the all star team since it's a G-G format. Not that PGs would make him play worse..

[LBJFTW]

:facepalm

How slow are you?

I said that this is the golden era of PG's...I never said "Kendall Gill was a point guard". My point in saying that this is a era laden with point guards was to illustrate the stiff competition for the guard spots on the All-Star team. Anyone who takes the time to read and knows what they are talking about would have understood where I was coming from.

You really need to chill.

Man if you back peddle any harder the damn wheels are going to fall off. :oldlol: Just admit that you thought Kendall Gill was a point guard and move on.

[ashlar]

Very small outside chance. It always bugged me that he looked like a dolphin.

[Raz]

Man if you back peddle any harder the damn wheels are going to fall off. :oldlol: Just admit that you thought Kendall Gill was a point guard and move on.

He probably has you on ignore bro. Stop trying to turn the forum into a petty argument. You are clearly wrong. He explained himself nicely, move on.

[imdaman99]

he reminds me of eddie jones kinda. maybe a few years apart. i think both would be good players, good 3rd options on contending teams. as for all stars... hmmmm maybe if their coach was the one coaching it. (unless i am forgetting eddie jones making the all star team :lol )

[D.J.]

He put up 20/5/4/2 in his second season. Also put up 22/6/4/2 in '97. He was borderline even then.

[Big#50]

LOL he was the first person to come to mind. They make it seem as tho he was just a simple scrub and today's players are all amazingly talented.

Gill would've had a legitimate shot at being an all star. Good defender, great athlete, good enough scorer, don't see why he wouldn't have a shot at being an all star.
He was a good player. But the league is full of Kendall Gills now. Athletic freaks are a dime a dozen now.

[L.Kizzle]

He was a good player. But the league is full of Kendall Gills now. Athletic freaks are a dime a dozen now.
How many of them are putting up close to 2/5/5 though?

Desmond Mason or Jason Richardson never have.