Most difficult class you've taken?

[Juges8932]

What are some of the more difficult classes you've taken and why? The material, the teacher, the load that semester, or something else? Any good stories associated with them?

Class:
Why it was hard:
Your grade:
How many times you had to take it:

[DeuceWallaces]

I took a year of graduate plant physiology while doing my masters and it was off the chain. Part of it was because I'm an ecologist, not a molecular biologist, but it was still a bitch for everyone including me so I didn't feel as bad.

I was reading like 25 hours a week to keep up for the first two months and then it chilled out a bit with the last module.

[TheSilentKiller]

Advanced Calculus. Partially due to courseload, but the class was a complete bitch. Harder than Calc I-III combined.\

Only took it once and somehow pulled off a B

[IGOTGAME]

I though Property Law was a hard course because of the archaic principles my professor required we master.

[longhornfan1234]

Bio chem, freshmen in college.

[glidedrxlr22]

College Chemistry
C-
Nomenclature sucks...I got a little over a "B" average in college, but I had no skills for chemistry.

[StateOfMind12]

My classes in the past have been easy. Right now, I would have to say Microeconomics is the hardest class I'm taking right now. I think I have an A in the class at the moment but I suspect it will drop when he posts the results of the first test. The class is just too boring and dull. I have no clue how anyone majors in Economics, that is just brutal.

I suspect most people that don't do well in a class or think a class is hard because of the teacher though. The teacher/professor usually makes the biggest difference.

[REACTION]

Right now, it's Calc 2 because of the physics. Seriously, who puts physics in a calc 2 course?

[shlver]

In terms of amount of material, metabolic regulation, in terms of difficulty, real analysis.
A- in both.

[chazzy]

Thermodynamics

[TheSilentKiller]

Right now, it's Calc 2 because of the physics. Seriously, who puts physics in a calc 2 course?
:lol I loved Calc 2 but it didn't have any physics.

[rufuspaul]

In undergrad I took a course called Stat 11C, the C meaning calculus. So it was statistical analysis using calculus. It was ridiculously hard made even harder by the fact that it was taught by a visiting professor from Italy whose thick accent and modest working knowledge of English didn't help matters. I somehow eked out a B-.

[Juges8932]

Advanced Calculus. Partially due to courseload, but the class was a complete bitch. Harder than Calc I-III combined.\

Only took it once and somehow pulled off a B

Were/are you a math major? Was the book you used any good?



I though Property Law was a hard course because of the archaic principles my professor required we master.

Have you already graduated law school? Where did/do you go? Are you happy you decided to go? If you have graduated, have you been successful in finding the job you wanted?



Thermodynamics

I'm an EE, but I am taking that this semester for one of my electives. What major are/were you?



My classes in the past have been easy. Right now, I would have to say Microeconomics is the hardest class I'm taking right now. I think I have an A in the class at the moment but I suspect it will drop when he posts the results of the first test. The class is just too boring and dull. I have no clue how anyone majors in Economics, that is just brutal.

I suspect most people that don't do well in a class or think a class is hard because of the teacher though. The teacher/professor usually makes the biggest difference.

I also took microeconomics, for fun. It was ok, but the teacher didn't do enough math for my liking (which is something an article I read was pointing out- how business teachers, more and more, are having to reduce the amount of math they put on tests and stuff because students were failing.

I agree, the teacher can very much make or break a class. Some material can be very fascinating and interesting, but if the teacher is a dick/not good then it can really ruin a rather enjoyable subject, which is a shame.

For me, what makes a huge difference is the book. I like a good book and being able to read and learn from it. I like there to be good examples and good problems at the end to practice with.

[Jailblazers7]

Prob Intermediate Microeconomics. It was my first experience creating models which took a while for me to get a handle on. Ended with an A-

[Juges8932]

In undergrad I took a course called Stat 11C, the C meaning calculus. So it was statistical analysis using calculus. It was ridiculously hard made even harder by the fact that it was taught by a visiting professor from Italy whose thick accent and modest working knowledge of English didn't help matters. I somehow eked out a B-.

Nice. I've taken two stats classes: one from the psychology department and one for engineering. The psychology one was easy and what people think of when people say they are taking stats. The engineering one was not bad, but it was the calculus-based one like you said and much more difficult of the two. I know that feel (in regards to the professor)- mine had recently moved from China, but the class was structured so that it was easy enough to succeed regardless of the teacher (3 tests and homeworks- standard class).

Teacher really makes a huge difference. Even in their approaches to the class and how they teach and what they teach can be pretty different from teacher to teacher. Just the order in which they cover things, grading structure, etc.

Since you are a dentist, I presume your undergrad was something like biomedical sciences or something, Rufus?

[Juges8932]

Prob Intermediate Microeconomics. It was my first experience creating models which took a while for me to get a handle on. Ended with an A-

This is another thing that makes a big difference- the type of software used. What software program did you use for that class?

For instance, in several of my classes we have circuit-simulation software and they all mostly use different programs. I had one class, electromechanical systems, where we used one called PSCAD. Everybody hated that software and had the hardest time trying to figure out how to use it, lol. A lot of time was wasted trying to figure out how to use it. You can spend hours trying to figure out why your simulation isn't working right and it was something very simple/stupid that takes 2 seconds to fix. If I never see that software program again I will be a happy man, lol.

[Jailblazers7]

We just used Maple to do derivations faster for our optimization problems but thats about it. We used a program called GAUSS in Forecasting that sucked tho.

[Rysio]

esl level 3. shit was though man.

[rufuspaul]

Since you are a dentist, I presume your undergrad was something like biomedical sciences or something, Rufus?

I started out as a chemistry major since I had to take a buttload of it as a prerequisite for dental school but I really didn't know what I'd do with that degree if I didn't get into dental school since I didn't enjoy it at all. So I decided that it really didn't matter what undergrad degree I got as long as I completed all the other prerequisites (chemistry, biology, physics). I was spending a lot of time in Germany during those years (long story) so I started taking courses in the German department and I liked it enough to keep on taking more. Lo and behold I ended up majoring in German with a minor in chemistry. :wtf:

Thank God I got into dental school because I don't know what I would've used that degree for either. :oldlol:

[ballup]

Right now, it's Calc 2 because of the physics. Seriously, who puts physics in a calc 2 course?
I think it's to understand derivatives and integrals. The derivative of a position function is a velocity function and the derivative of a velocity function is an acceleration function.

My hardest class would be fluid dynamics. Teacher was a hard ass and I had to work long hours to get the homework right. Got a B-.

[TheSilentKiller]

Were/are you a math major? Was the book you used any good?
I am currently a math major. The book was decent, kind of hard to read but it was pretty detailed.

[fpliii]

Class: Advanced Bayesian Statistics
Why it was hard: insanely difficult proofs and derivations, using a lot of applied measure theory and functional analysis; no exams, but each HW took multiple all-nighters (3+) to complete
Your grade: A-
How many times you had to take it: once

[CeltsGarlic]

Well, nothing really hard so far (1st year), at least for me its not. The hardest for my group is mathematical analysis, but its fairly easy and I dont know where those fools are trippin.

[daballa13]

I'm only in my 2nd year of undergrad but in first year for Life Sciences at UofToronto you have to take Intro. To Organic Chemistry. I thought it would be ok because the othet first year Intro. To Physical Chemistry course I took was supposedly just as hard if not harder and I got a 76 in it so I was prepared to get a similar mark. Lo and behold I got a 52.

[EnoughSaid]

Well I'm currently a sophomore in High School, and Accelerated Chemistry this year so far has been challenging, to go along with Accelerated World History last year. 10-20 pages of reading a night along with detailed Cornell notes. :(

[fpliii]

Advanced Calculus. Partially due to courseload, but the class was a complete bitch. Harder than Calc I-III combined.\

Only took it once and somehow pulled off a B


In terms of amount of material, metabolic regulation, in terms of difficulty, real analysis.
A- in both.


Well, nothing really hard so far (1st year), at least for me its not. The hardest for my group is mathematical analysis, but its fairly easy and I dont know where those fools are trippin.

nice to see a nontrivial number of mathematically-inclined posters :cheers:

analysis is great...if any of you guys are still in school, I'd highly recommend some differential geometry (manifolds, generalized stokes theorem, hilbert frobenius is good too but it's more of a topology topic)

btw am I the only one here who wasn't really into algebra/group theory? everyone else in my department loved the coursework and wrote their thesis on its constituent topics, but I didn't take any classes in it after my required two terms


I'm only in my 2nd year of undergrad but in first year for Life Sciences at UofToronto you have to take Intro. To Organic Chemistry. I thought it would be ok because the othet first year Intro. To Physical Chemistry course I took was supposedly just as hard if not harder and I got a 76 in it so I was prepared to get a similar mark. Lo and behold I got a 52.

pchem was interesting, but I only took one term so I didn't get to any of the quantum stuff

[StateOfMind12]

For me, what makes a huge difference is the book. I like a good book and being able to read and learn from it. I like there to be good examples and good problems at the end to practice with.
I personally prefer the teachers that base their tests/quizzes on the lecture rather than on the book. It's so much easier for me to focus in class than it is for me to focus at home and reading a book. Reading a book on economics is brutal too since it's that boring.

Another reason why I think this class is difficult at the moment is because it's a night class and he always ends the class like an hour early because he like the students want to get the hell out as fast as possible.

I'm not one of those people that complain about ending class early and not getting my money's worth but I am one of those people that complain about teachers not explaining or going into detail enough. I wouldn't mind staying longer if I get to understand the material to do better on the tests/quizzes.

I wonder if he teaches it any differently in his day time classes than he does at his night time classes. I just know that my friend in my summer class recommended this professor and his rating was very high on rate my professor. I don't agree with it so far but maybe things will change.

[IGOTGAME]

I personally prefer the teachers that base their tests/quizzes on the lecture rather than on the book. It's so much easier for me to focus in class than it is for me to focus at home and reading a book. Reading a book on economics is brutal too since it's that boring.

Another reason why I think this class is difficult at the moment is because it's a night class and he always ends the class like an hour early because he like the students want to get the hell out as fast as possible.

I'm not one of those people that complain about ending class early and not getting my money's worth but I am one of those people that complain about teachers not explaining or going into detail enough. I wouldn't mind staying longer if I get to understand the material to do better on the tests/quizzes.

I wonder if he teaches it any differently in his day time classes than he does at his night time classes. I just know that my friend in my summer class recommended this professor and his rating was very high on rate my professor. I don't agree with it so far but maybe things will change.
What do you plan on doing wit econ? It's tough out there for economy doods now.

[TylerOO]

Anything science related. What a waste of ****ing time. Unless your majoring in science you will never need to knowvshit about a cell or something

[blablabla]

Medical Physics, because the teacher was in his last year before retirement and therefore didn't care, we had learn everything by ourselves
Got a C in the end

[IGOTGAME]

Anything science related. What a waste of ****ing time. Unless your majoring in science you will never need to knowvshit about a cell or something
You are mistaken. STEM has the most jobs.

[StateOfMind12]

What do you plan on doing wit econ? It's tough out there for economy doods now.
I'm not an Econ major, I'm a business major, not sure if I'll be heading into Finance, Accounting, or Information System though.

Economics is required for any type of business major though which is why I'm taking the class.

I just an 84% on my test last night, lolwut, which surprised the hell out of me because I thought I did a hell lot worse than that. My professor lets us do re-takes though which is neat. I might take advantage of that, it can't hurt.

[Nash]

Funniest thing about this thread is all the people mentioning all these classes but notice how they all got A- anyway. Man, just be honest, if you got A- in a class then obviously the class was not difficult.

Anyway, I barely passed Chemistry a few years back when I was in high school. Probably the only class I have no idea what the **** was going on.

[StateOfMind12]

Funniest thing about this thread is all the people mentioning all these classes but notice how they all got A- anyway. Man, just be honest, if you got A- in a class then obviously the class was not difficult.

That's not even close to being true.

An A- while struggling and working very hard for it is not the same as an A- while bullshitting, doing nothing, and never preparing for a class.

That is like the difference between a Philosophy class and a Chemistry class.

[Nash]

That's not even close to being true.

An A- while struggling and working very hard for it is not the same as an A- while bullshitting, doing nothing, and never preparing for a class.

That is like the difference between a Philosophy class and a Chemistry class.
If A- is the grade you got at the worst and most difficult class you've ever had then surely you go to an IVY league school?

[StateOfMind12]

If A- is the grade you got at the worst and most difficult class you've ever had then surely you go to an IVY league school?
You still don't seem to understand that the grade does not matter.

It's the struggle and the time taken and needed in order to succeed/pass that makes it difficult.

[NotYetGreat]

The course description said "Fundamental Concepts of Mathematics" but I'm pretty mind****ed by it right now. I'm kinda new to THIS kind of proving and it's pretty much killing me, plus the prof isn't the best teacher around (she's nice, but...). I'd rather submerge myself in all the calc I'm also taking up.

[TheSilentKiller]

nice to see a nontrivial number of mathematically-inclined posters :cheers:

analysis is great...if any of you guys are still in school, I'd highly recommend some differential geometry (manifolds, generalized stokes theorem, hilbert frobenius is good too but it's more of a topology topic)

btw am I the only one here who wasn't really into algebra/group theory? everyone else in my department loved the coursework and wrote their thesis on its constituent topics, but I didn't take any classes in it after my required two terms



pchem was interesting, but I only took one term so I didn't get to any of the quantum stuff
I am not too into algebra theory either. I am more of a stat oriented math-major (actuarial science minor).

[Qwyjibo]

Applied Econometrics in my 3rd year of university.

A very dry course that consisted of memorizing proofs of theorems and using them in obscure ways. The "applied" part of the course didn't seem very useful to me. There were points where I would just get lost in equations. I think I made it out of the course somewhere around a crappy 65-68%.

[Rockets(T-mac)]

In terms of work load, both the materials courses I've taken haven had a lot of topics, and labs, and the exams were long and exhausting. I'm in mech eng btw.

Difficult in terms of concepts, was probably my one and only linear algebra course back in first year, I had no clue what was happening in that class till like a week for the final exam. :lol Hardest part was that it was hard to have real life examples for a lot of those concepts.

And the teacher definitely makes a huge difference. In my first year physics course, the lady ****ing taught off powerpoint the whole course and didn't explain things well at all.... how the **** do you do you teach physics on powerpoint?? Ended up with a 79 in the course. The next semester, I had physics 2 and the teacher was amazing, full solutions, shown and explaining the thought process and everything. No powerpoint all board work, having demonstrations to show how waves behave, etc. Ended up getting a 95 in the course.... shows how much the teacher makes a difference.

[SevereUpInHere]

I've got a degree in Industrial Design and I really struggled in Graphic Design. I could physically do the work easy enough, ie the skills in Photoshop/Illustrator etc, I just struggled getting things looking good. Ours were graded Fail, Pass, Credit, Distinction and High Distinction. I was all Passes and Credits in Graphic Design and mostly D or HD in the other classes.

[Juges8932]

Funniest thing about this thread is all the people mentioning all these classes but notice how they all got A- anyway. Man, just be honest, if you got A- in a class then obviously the class was not difficult.

Anyway, I barely passed Chemistry a few years back when I was in high school. Probably the only class I have no idea what the **** was going on.

Faulty logic. Hard class---/-> Bad grade, which is what you're implying. I've actually done the best in some of my most difficult classes. Why? Because it made me work that much harder. I spent more time in the subject and I ended up understanding it because of the time I put in. Where as with an easier subject I might not feel the weight of the class and just put it on the back burner.

A class can be difficult for any number of reasons, and depending on that reason it can affect your grade:

1) Hard teacher- maybe he grades harshly, maybe his tests are a lot harder than what he's given for practice, maybe it's a weed-out class and therefore he makes it more difficult for that reason.

2) Tough material- I think this is the easiest to overcome because if you have a good teacher, good book, and you are willing to put in the time then you can learn the material and succeed. It just may not come to you as easily as other subjects.

Point is that just because a class is difficult doesn't mean that you have to do poorly. If you don't step up your game and figure out a solution, then yeah, you will probably do poorly.

[fpliii]

If A- is the grade you got at the worst and most difficult class you've ever had then surely you go to an IVY league school?

Since I'm one of the people you're calling out, I hope you read my post. Just because I got an A- doesn't mean the class wasn't hard as hell. When a course requires more time than the rest of your schedule combined, chances are it's going to be difficult. In my case in particular, there was a steep dropoff in grading. If you complete the work every week you'll do extremely well (since you'll have to understand the material on a high level); if not you'll surely crash and burn.

(BTW Stanford's not an Ivy, so your suggestion was incorrect, at least for me :cheers: )

[DeuceWallaces]

Agreed that's dumb logic. My hardest classes I always do best in, because I show up to every lecture, keep up with the reading, and spend who knows how many hours extra making sure I know what the **** is going on.

The class currently kicking my ass is Multivariate Statistics. And it's the same story, feel lost at time, but I'm spending 15-20 hours a week on it and will likely end up getting an A while I'm just an Ecologist and everyone else in there are getting their MS and PhD's in statistics.

[Balla_Status]

Hard to narrow it down to one but...

Class: Principals of Electrical Engineering (Circuits, optics and magnetics for non-electrical engineers)
Grade: C...barely scraped by man

There were two teachers...one bad ass, one shit. The badass guy wouldn't fit in my schedule and there was no way I was taking this shit my final semester. I had the shit one.

I knew it was going to suck. Second semester freshman physics was like this class's little brother and I could barely pass that.

Loads and loads of HW, busy work...good thing I had a big ass binder that gave out pretty good notes (how i like to put it) that helped me pass the class. Brutal, brutal class. I barely knew any of that garbage and tried so hard to understand it.

Oh, and the prof was a lady from poland with an extremely high voice. **** that class.

[Juges8932]

Since I'm one of the people you're calling out, I hope you read my post. Just because I got an A- doesn't mean the class wasn't hard as hell. When a course requires more time than the rest of your schedule combined, chances are it's going to be difficult. In my case in particular, there was a steep dropoff in grading. If you complete the work every week you'll do extremely well (since you'll have to understand the material on a high level); if not you'll surely crash and burn.

(BTW Stanford's not an Ivy, so your suggestion was incorrect, at least for me :cheers: )

Shit, when it comes to the math/physics/engineering, Stanford is second to only MIT, lol. Been looking at them for grad school. Would really like to be able to go there.

So you're a math major then, correct?

[LamarOdom]

If A- is the grade you got at the worst and most difficult class you've ever had then surely you go to an IVY league school?

lol, stupid idiot.

[ace23]

Since I'm one of the people you're calling out, I hope you read my post. Just because I got an A- doesn't mean the class wasn't hard as hell. When a course requires more time than the rest of your schedule combined, chances are it's going to be difficult. In my case in particular, there was a steep dropoff in grading. If you complete the work every week you'll do extremely well (since you'll have to understand the material on a high level); if not you'll surely crash and burn.

(BTW Stanford's not an Ivy, so your suggestion was incorrect, at least for me :cheers: )
My brother goes to Stanford. Just look out for the ugliest n!gga on campus.

[Balla_Status]

Don't mean to suck Stanfords nuts anymore but its campus is the most beautiful campus in the nation.

[rufuspaul]

Don't mean to suck Stanfords nuts anymore but there campus is the most beautiful campus in the nation.

Uh....no

[Balla_Status]

Uh....no

Chapel Hill looks nice but it's not Stanford.

For the record, I know Texas A&M has a garbage campus. Just wanted to get that outta the way.

You ever been to Palo Alto?

[rufuspaul]

Chapel Hill looks nice but it's not Stanford.

For the record, I know Texas A&M has a garbage campus. Just wanted to get that outta the way.

You ever been to Palo Alto?


Many times. My old roommate from Chapel Hill did his post doc there. Ever been to East Palo Alto?

[Balla_Status]

Many times. My old roommate from Chapel Hill did his post doc there. Ever been to East Palo Alto?

Nah. Only been there once...ate In n' Out with fellow ISHers. :lol

Was badass.

[fpliii]

Shit, when it comes to the math/physics/engineering, Stanford is second to only MIT, lol. Been looking at them for grad school. Would really like to be able to go there.

So you're a math major then, correct?

was a math major, graduated in 09 (went back for graduate work in stats that I finished up in June)

MIT was my first choice in HS (applied to there and Caltech EA), but the deferral soured me on attending (even though I made it in during regular decision round)


My brother goes to Stanford. Just look out for the ugliest n!gga on campus.

lol nice


Don't mean to suck Stanfords nuts anymore but its campus is the most beautiful campus in the nation.

agreed...I'm from NY, and the visit sold me on attending over some great East Coast Schools

greatest place on Earth IMO


Many times. My old roommate from Chapel Hill did his post doc there. Ever been to East Palo Alto?

eh, EPA is pretty bad (I think the per capita violent crime is waaaaaay up there), but I avoided venturing there except for hitting up the Ikea

[rufuspaul]

Nah. Only been there once...ate In n' Out with fellow ISHers. :lol

Was badass.

It is a nice campus, what with the Rodin sculptures and all. The town is kinda weird though. It's a mixture of silicon valley millionaires and mexican gangs.

[DeuceWallaces]

Shit, when it comes to the math/physics/engineering, Stanford is second to only MIT, lol. Been looking at them for grad school. Would really like to be able to go there.

So you're a math major then, correct?

If you're worried about college for grad school you're thinking of the wrong things. It's about who you're working with, what type of research you'll be doing, and if that's the field you want to move into.

[SmackOrH.A.K]

I am a Biology major and the hardest course I probably took was Biology I lol. Idk why but they made that class so hard. I barely got a B in that class. I took Biology 2 the following semester and it was a breeze. And now I am taking Genetics and it is pretty easy.

BUT I am taking Organic Chemistry right now and it's about to become a bitch in a couple of days.

[lilblingy]

Advance calculus...Teacher's accent made it even worse ughhhh. Managed to get out with an A- though thanks to the awesome tutors on youtube and other sites.

[BuGzBuNNy]

What are some of the more difficult classes you've taken and why? The material, the teacher, the load that semester, or something else? Any good stories associated with them?

Class: Calculus 2
Why it was hard: Nothing intuitive about it
Your grade: Dropped the course after failing first two exams
How many times you had to take it: 0.5 times
It was a summer course so maybe I would've had more success if I took it over a full semester. Teacher did his job.

[Lebowsky]

In Chemical Engineering it was Heat Transfer, mostly because I had done very well in Transfer Phaenomena, which was a prerequisite, and I thought I'd do equally well in this without much effort. Boy, was I wrong. I somehow pulled a 60%, which was the minimum required. Then Analytical Chemistry was very tough too, because the professor was a well-reknowned authority in the field and he was extremely exigent and thorough. I got an 85% on this one, but I still feel I could've scored higher.

In Economics it was Advanced Macroeconomics, due to the high level maths required (differential equations and econometrics altogether), and especially Dynamic Forecasting, which I kinda hated back then despite having loved all my Econometrics courses prior to it. Nowadays it's what I do for a living, funny how things turn out sometimes.

[RoseCity07]

Last year I took math 112 which was basically pre calculus I think. I just remember taking hours to get the homework done and I fell behind 3 assignments early because I misread the syllabus. I remember one assignment took 8 hours because I started watching The Sopranos while doing problems.

The problems were about radians and drawing the frequency looking graphs. It all made sense but it was just too much homework and I felt overwhelmed trying to play catch up. That class scares me now.

[code green]

Wouldn't quite say it's the most difficult class I've ever taken (AP French and Calc were pretty high up there too), but I can't think of a class I've had to prepare for quite like the Cisco 1 class I'm taking now. We meet twice a week for 4 hours each, and I probably do 8 hours of studying each week for it at home. Not terribly difficult information to learn, but there's a lot of it. Averaging an 89.1 right now, gotta bump that up.

[ripthekik]

International Tax Law.
Worse than civil procedures

[red1]

International Tax Law.
Worse than civil procedures
stfu phong

[Juges8932]

If you're worried about college for grad school you're thinking of the wrong things. It's about who you're working with, what type of research you'll be doing, and if that's the field you want to move into.

Well, for grad school, I wanted to do an all-courses MS. Research for MS or PhD doesn't really interest me (at least I don't think it does). But I love taking classes, so I would love to do that for MS.

[DeuceWallaces]

I guess, but in that case just sign up as an undergrad. You'll save tons of money. Anyway, do an MS, it's a good experience if you like school. The classes are ten times better and they pay you to go to school.

[Jailblazers7]

My most difficult undergrad course will no doubt be my Senior Thesis this semester but I don't really consider that a class.

[Juges8932]

I guess, but in that case just sign up as an undergrad. You'll save tons of money. Anyway, do an MS, it's a good experience if you like school. The classes are ten times better and they pay you to go to school.

You can do an MS yet sign up as an undergrad? I knew you could take grad classes as an undergrad, but if you have an undergrad degree, I thought you would have to apply as an MS student?

[DeuceWallaces]

My point was more, I don't know the value placed on a non thesis MS so if you just like classes enroll as an undergrad and continue to take them. Or better yet, apply to an MS program, do a real graduate project, get paid for it, and get better jobs when you're done.

[REACTION]

My point was more, I don't know the value placed on a non thesis MS so if you just like classes enroll as an undergrad and continue to take them. Or better yet, apply to an MS program, do a real graduate project, get paid for it, and get better jobs when you're done.

How do you find someone to pay for it? An employer? I've only worked for small businesses in the past and none have shown any willingness to pay for a graduate program.

[Gifted Mind]

Stochastic Calculus. And this is coming from someone who even considered advanced multi-variable calculus relatively simple.

[DeuceWallaces]

Stochastic Calculus. And this is coming from someone who even considered advanced multi-variable calculus relatively simple.

Was this in real life, or the made up academic fantasy life you like to lead on a basketball website?

[ihoopallday]

Decided to go into the medical field. Took a lot of prerequisites at a community college. One of them was anatomy and physiology. So much memorization, I couldn't handle it. Ended up with a D. Got focused and retook the class. Got a B-. Hardest class I've taken so far. It did make me realize just how much detail you have to pay attention to. Now, I have better organization when it comes to studying. The B- did hurt my GPA, but it's looking better now.

[blablabla]

Decided to go into the medical field. Took a lot of prerequisites at a community college. One of them was anatomy and physiology. So much memorization, I couldn't handle it. Ended up with a D. Got focused and retook the class. Got a B-. Hardest class I've taken so far. It did make me realize just how much detail you have to pay attention to. Now, I have better organization when it comes to studying. The B- did hurt my GPA, but it's looking better now.
i had that too last year, those latin expressions were a bitch

[Juges8932]

My point was more, I don't know the value placed on a non thesis MS so if you just like classes enroll as an undergrad and continue to take them. Or better yet, apply to an MS program, do a real graduate project, get paid for it, and get better jobs when you're done.

Ahh, ok. Yeah, the MS thing is more for me personally than a professional advancement. In engineering, most companies don't care about more than a BS. If you want to do research or go into academia, then an MS is definitely a requirement, obviously lol. Just depends on the major as to how much going post-BS is to your career advancements.

What do you want to do?

[ihoopallday]

i had that too last year, those latin expressions were a bitch

:lol yeah I could barely pronounce the muscle names when I first took that class. The words just seemed so odd.

[Myth]

Behavioral Neuroscience. Took it my 2nd year of grad school and it was just shit loads of rote memorization.

[DeuceWallaces]

Ahh, ok. Yeah, the MS thing is more for me personally than a professional advancement. In engineering, most companies don't care about more than a BS. If you want to do research or go into academia, then an MS is definitely a requirement, obviously lol. Just depends on the major as to how much going post-BS is to your career advancements.

What do you want to do?

I want to finish my PhD :rockon:

Didn't realize you were one of the bullshit grad professions like law, MBA, or engineering. :cheers:

[RaininTwos]

Decided to go into the medical field. Took a lot of prerequisites at a community college. One of them was anatomy and physiology. So much memorization, I couldn't handle it. Ended up with a D. Got focused and retook the class. Got a B-. Hardest class I've taken so far. It did make me realize just how much detail you have to pay attention to. Now, I have better organization when it comes to studying. The B- did hurt my GPA, but it's looking better now.

A&P is no joke.

[cookiemonster]

I want to finish my PhD :rockon:

Didn't realize you were one of the bullshit grad professions like law, MBA, or engineering. :cheers:

How much longer do you have?

[christian1923]

History of Film

[Juges8932]

I want to finish my PhD :rockon:

Didn't realize you were one of the bullshit grad professions like law, MBA, or engineering. :cheers:

Lol, agreed for MBA, but why the hostility towards law and engineering? I fail to see how engineering is bullshit, lol. Engineering is everywhere and progresses the world forward. It's certainly not bullshit. If it was easy, it wouldn't have the very low rate of graduation that it does. The large majority of people who start out as engineering majors switch before they even get to junior-level classes.

[DeuceWallaces]

I'm talking for a grad program. Personally, I think there's a big difference between doing Law and Engineering vs taking on an average 5 year PhD in the natural sciences regarding how much experience is required, carrying out a large experiment at a possibly remote field site, and teaching.

Law school is a joke.

[LBJMVP]

macro economics or survey to calculus.

keep in mind, i just started my second year of college.

[Juges8932]

I'm talking for a grad program. Personally, I think there's a big difference between doing Law and Engineering vs taking on an average 5 year PhD in the natural sciences regarding how much experience is required, carrying out a large experiment at a possibly remote field site, and teaching.

Law school is a joke.

Well, there are 3 different types of grad degrees you can get- thesis, classes, and a mixture of both. So engineering grads can do those 5-year research projects as well. I was just saying that for me, I am more interested in taking more classes. I would like research as part of my job when I have to research for the current project. I just don't think that I would like doing research for 5 years on the same topic. You get very specialized and that has it's interests, but for me, I like learning about a lot of different areas.

As for law, I definitely think your point is valid for non-tier 1 schools. And honestly, 98% of the people who aren't going to tier 1 schools are basically throwing their money away with how saturated the market is with law degrees right now. But the top schools aren't a joke. I'm assuming you were referring to the non-elite schools, lol.

But regardless, I don't think MBA should be placed with any subject when it comes to bullshit/easiness in post-BS schooling, haha.

[DeuceWallaces]

MBA and law are a joke compared to a natural science doctoral program.

[Juges8932]

MBA and law are a joke compared to a natural science doctoral program.

I am saying an MBA is a joke compared to other post-BS degrees- not sure if I came across differently, lol.

[DeuceWallaces]

I am saying an MBA is a joke compared to other post-BS degrees- not sure if I came across differently, lol.

Who knows. I'm drunk and not trying to be inflammatory. I just think it's much more difficult to come out with a PhD in a natural science with your research (not just a lame ass lit review), teaching, coursework, and time.

[Gifted Mind]

Was this in real life, or the made up academic fantasy life you like to lead on a basketball website?
You have to be the most insecure and ignorant poster on this website

[DeuceWallaces]

You have to be the most insecure and ignorant poster on this website

Really? I think if I was insecure and ignorant I might make up a series of lies to portray a life of academia, and when I was finally caught in my lie I'd continue to post on the basketball website because I'm such a **** up I can't let go of the faux life I created for my self on the internet.

[Gifted Mind]

Really? I think if I was insecure and ignorant I might make up a series of lies to portray a life of academia, and when I was finally caught in my lie I'd continue to post on the basketball website because I'm such a **** up I can't let go of the faux life I created for my self on the internet.
I'm going to excuse your nonsense as just being drunk as you mentioned in your post above. Take care.

[DeuceWallaces]

Lol, you can try to play it cool all you want, but you've been exposed as a major fraud and academic wannabe. That's the simple truth.

[Gifted Mind]

Lol, you can try to play it cool all you want, but you've been exposed as a major fraud and academic wannabe. That's the simple truth.
Are you still troubled that I helped other posters with their advanced math problems on ISH? Or are you still upset that I had Stanford University as my location under my poster name? I've stated several times that Stanford is the university I desired to go to but do not yet go there. One of the philosophies I believe in order to be at a certain place you have to visualize yourself already there. If seeing Stanford under my username upset you, I apologize.

Regardless, I don't go around ISH criticizing or disparaging fellow posters like you do. I am content with my intellectual capabilities and accomplishments. I hypothesize there are some disappointments in your life academically, that now you have this need to go around and belittle any poster whenever you receive an opportunity.


Anyways, I don't have the time to argue with bitter posters. I still will wish you the best of luck in whatever your endeavors maybe.

[DeuceWallaces]

Are you still troubled that I helped other posters with their advanced math problems on ISH? Or are you still upset that I had Stanford University as my location under my poster name? I've stated several times that Stanford is the university I desired to go to but do not yet go there. One of the philosophies I believe in order to be at a certain place you have to visualize yourself already there. If seeing Stanford under my username upset you, I apologize.

Regardless, I don't go around ISH criticizing or disparaging fellow posters like you do. I am content with my intellectual capabilities and accomplishments. I hypothesize there are some disappointments in your life academically, that now you have this need to go around and belittle any poster whenever you receive an opportunity.


Anyways, I don't have the time to argue with bitter posters. I still will wish you the best of luck in whatever your endeavors maybe.

Ha, that's the whole point; you're not content with your intellectual capabilities and accomplishments, because you had to fabricate them on a basketball message board.

There's a big difference between some kid in his mom's basement doing math problems on a basketball website and being an actual, professional academic.

So as someone in the latter, talking to someone in the former, yeah, I think you're a joke and I will point it out regularly when you stroll into some academic thread that you obviously wish you were a part of in reality, but are only relegated to it in your fantasy world constructed on an off topic forum of a basketball website.

[Nick Young]

Ha, that's the whole point; you're not content with your intellectual capabilities and accomplishments, because you had to fabricate them on a basketball message board.

There's a big difference between some kid in his mom's basement doing math problems on a basketball website and being an actual, professional academic.

So as someone in the latter, talking to someone in the former, yeah, I think you're a joke and I will point it out regularly when you stroll into some academic thread that you obviously wish you were a part of in reality, but are only relegated to it in your fantasy world constructed on an off topic forum of a basketball website.
University Central Michigan Forest Troll class for the win!

[DeuceWallaces]

University Central Michigan Forest Troll class for the win!

Lol who went to Central Michigan? Not only that but aren't you in the ultimate bullshit program; comic art (graphic media)?

[Rooster]

Decided to go into the medical field. Took a lot of prerequisites at a community college. One of them was anatomy and physiology. So much memorization, I couldn't handle it. Ended up with a D. Got focused and retook the class. Got a B-. Hardest class I've taken so far. It did make me realize just how much detail you have to pay attention to. Now, I have better organization when it comes to studying. The B- did hurt my GPA, but it's looking better now.

Yes the anatomy and physiology was the hardest class I took in college also. I used to cram and passed all my classes but the very first test, I failed with a D. The way my professor prepare his exam, it was crazy. He had options number 1 to 5 then put A like 1 & 3 only or B 2 and 5 only. The E is usually either all of the above or none of the above. So basically you have to have to know it to get the right answer, I did refocus and got all B the rest of his test and passed the class. I remember when everyone was reading on the same day of the test and here he comes and he said folks reading now will not help you. Either you know it or you don't. Can't cram in my class. Right then I knew if I can pass his class, I will pass any class afterward.

[ripthekik]

MBA and law are a joke compared to a natural science doctoral program.
Law is no joke I'll tell you that.
natural science programs? :yaohappy:

[entropy35]

Electrical engineering is sometimes tougher than medicine and law.

[Juges8932]

Electrical engineering is sometimes tougher than medicine and law.

It's a lot more difficult in terms of challenging your intellectual abilities. Medicine is all about memorization. Law is also a lot of that, but there are opportunities to exercise thought and critical thinking. EE is doing that all the time. At the end of the day, if you put enough time in, anybody can pass med or law (I said pass, not be great). It just requires a lot of work ethic; whereas with EE you have to have the work ethic plus high intellect because you have to be able to understand the math and the conclusions that it draws from the math in a physical sense. I respect med highly, but I don't think it is the end-all, be-all like it is sometimes portrayed. For me, it is more the tenacious grind of med that makes it impressive as opposed to the actual material. As for law, if you get into one of the tier 1 schools, especially T-14, then you have a great chance at being successful while it also being extremely difficult. No slouch is going to be accepted to Yale law, lol. But the market is so saturated with law degrees right now that it really isn't worth going to unless you are in the top of your class, have an in to the industry, or think you can transfer after the first year to a better school. So many kids getting out of law school with 140k in debt and working shitty jobs because they can't get the 6-fig jobs like they need to get out of debt.

[REACTION]

Ha, that's the whole point; you're not content with your intellectual capabilities and accomplishments, because you had to fabricate them on a basketball message board.

There's a big difference between some kid in his mom's basement doing math problems on a basketball website and being an actual, professional academic.

So as someone in the latter, talking to someone in the former, yeah, I think you're a joke and I will point it out regularly when you stroll into some academic thread that you obviously wish you were a part of in reality, but are only relegated to it in your fantasy world constructed on an off topic forum of a basketball website.

Listen, we're scholars. We enjoy scholarly pursuits.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-33R9KcxAqUA/TnLbaoGaa1I/AAAAAAAAAds/k-1OqWU8SYE/s1600/buster%2Bbluth.jpg

[pauk]

Programming C++ & Pascal.

I love computers, but programming makes me want to burn all computers up.

[DeuceWallaces]

Law is no joke I'll tell you that.
natural science programs? :yaohappy:

You're out of touch.

[blablabla]

Electrical engineering is sometimes tougher than medicine and law.
what year are you in

[ripthekik]

You're out of touch.
Go through some law courses before you make any judgement on it and talk completely out of your ass. Law school is a joke? I'd like to see you go through it.

The amount of material to go through is endless.. you can never 100% finish reading all your materials, despite reading 8-10 hours in a day. Memorization? There is no memorization involved, all the exams are open book. Lawyers aren't paid the big bucks because they know the law.. they're paid because they know how to use it.

[IGOTGAME]

Law is no joke I'll tell you that.
natural science programs? :yaohappy:

it isn't hard to get a jd. However, it is extremely hard to be top 5% of your class. Unlike doctoral programs, 1L is curved against people objectively just as smart as you.


Go through some law courses before you make any judgement on it and talk completely out of your ass. Law school is a joke? I'd like to see you go through it.

The amount of material to go through is endless.. you can never 100% finish reading all your materials, despite reading 8-10 hours in a day. Memorization? There is no memorization involved, all the exams are open book. Lawyers aren't paid the big bucks because they know the law.. they're paid because they know how to use it

you sound like you are in 1L. Law school is nothing but jerking around until the last 3.5 weeks of class after 1L and then pulling an anywhere from B+ to an A. The only thing hard about law school is 1L and write on competition. Other than that it is a waste of time.

Oh, and most lawyers arent paid the big bucks. Even the ones that start at 160k are not making that much compared to the hours that they put in. On the other hand, most lawyers are not rich. You will figure this out.

[ripthekik]

it isn't hard to get a jd. However, it is extremely hard to be top 5% of your class. Unlike doctoral programs, 1L is curved against people objectively just as smart as you.
True. It probably isn't that hard to pass, but there is always a big drop-out rate after the first few months. But being the top 10% is tough, you have to be very dedicated, determined, and prepared to sacrifice every single day of the semester to even have a chance.



you sound like you are in 1L. Law school is nothing but jerking around until the last 3.5 weeks of class after 1L and then pulling an anywhere from B+ to an A. The only thing hard about law school is 1L and write on competition. Other than that it is a waste of time.

Oh, and most lawyers arent paid the big bucks. Even the ones that start at 160k are not making that much compared to the hours that they put in. On the other hand, most lawyers are not rich. You will figure this out.
For the first part, I don't think that's true. When you have 5 exams in 1-2 weeks, studying for 3.5 weeks really isn't enough. I guess it might depend on your school though.. my school is really competitive, and if I study that way (leave most things to the last month), I'm only going to pull B, B+'s.

As for the pay it depends on where you're at. But yes, currently the seats in international firms are very limited, and probably only the top 10% of the class take it. At the moment I'm not even worried about the pay to be honest.. I'm more worried about being able to find any offer at all :oldlol:

You been through the program?

[fpliii]

Are you still troubled that I helped other posters with their advanced math problems on ISH? Or are you still upset that I had Stanford University as my location under my poster name? I've stated several times that Stanford is the university I desired to go to but do not yet go there. One of the philosophies I believe in order to be at a certain place you have to visualize yourself already there. If seeing Stanford under my username upset you, I apologize.

Regardless, I don't go around ISH criticizing or disparaging fellow posters like you do. I am content with my intellectual capabilities and accomplishments. I hypothesize there are some disappointments in your life academically, that now you have this need to go around and belittle any poster whenever you receive an opportunity.


Anyways, I don't have the time to argue with bitter posters. I still will wish you the best of luck in whatever your endeavors maybe.

haven't really interacted with you before, but if you're interested in Stanford, feel free to PM or e-mail me (my username at stanford dot edu, though I finished up in June so it'll probably switch over to an alum e-mail at some point) with any questions you might have (no guarantee I can help you, but I might be able to be of some assistance)

[Joshumitsu]

Biopsychology. Studying how behavior works on a neural level. Pretty much behavioral neuroscience.

I got a "C". But considering that I skipped half my classes, didn't buy the textbook, and drew pictures in class, I'd say I did a pretty okay job. That said, it was interesting when, you know, I was paying attention.