Official ISH league MVP vote for the last 22 years

[kennethgriffin]

pick your last 22 mvps from 1990 until 2012

will keep track of the votes and name the official "real" mvp's according to ISH

IMO the MVP means best player + player of the year + on a contending team

Nash, rose were never even top 5 players in the league. made no sense for them to win the award. some guys proved who was boss in the finals after losing out in a close second vote ala hakeem, kobe, jordan... and some guys just diserve more

2012 - Durant
2011 - Lebron
2010 - Lebron
2009 - Kobe
2008 - Kobe
2007 - Kobe
2006 - Kobe
2005 - Shaq
2004 - duncan
2003 - duncan
2002 - duncan
2001 - Shaq
2000 - Shaq
1999 - Shaq
1998 - Jordan
1997 - Jordan
1996 - Jordan
1995 - Hakeem
1994 - Hakeem
1993 - Jordan
1992 - Jordan
1991 - Jordan


jordan should have atleast 7-8 mvps

shaq,kobe,hakeem having 1 each is ridiculous

[arifgokcen]

Another ridiculous thread by a ridiculous poster

[plowking]

Lebron all 22 years.

[coin24]

Lebron all 22 years.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[kennethgriffin]

Another ridiculous thread by a ridiculous poster

how the hell is a thread about finding a majority opinion on the mvps over the last 2 decades a ridiculous thread?

alright... lets make it about the kind of tight clothing chris paul is wearing on a fashion magazine instead

oh sorry. that legitimate thread is already being discussed


f*ckin fa**ot

[TheBigVeto]

2012 - Durant
2011 - Dirk
2010 - Lebron
2009 - Dirk
2008 - Dirk
2007 - Dirk
2006 - Nash
2005 - Nash
2004 - duncan
2003 - duncan
2002 - duncan
2001 - Shaq
2000 - Shaq
1999 - Shaq
1998 - Jordan
1997 - Jordan
1996 - Jordan
1995 - Hakeem
1994 - Hakeem
1993 - Jordan
1992 - Jordan
1991 - Jordan

[MiamiThrice]

2012 - LeBron James
2011 - Dirk Nowitzki
2010 - Lebron James
2009 - LeBron James
2008 - Chris Paul
2007 - Dirk Nowitzki
2006 - Dirk Nowitzki
2005 - Shaquille O'Neal
2004 - Kevin Garnett
2003 - Tim Duncan
2002 - Shaquille O'Neal
2001 - Shaquille O'Neal
2000 - Shaquille O'Neal
1999 - Shaquille O'Neal
1998 - Karl Malone
1997 - Michael Jordan
1996 - Michael Jordan
1995 - Hakeem Olajuwon
1994 - Hakeem Olajuwon
1993 - Michael Jordan
1992 - Michael Jordan
1991 - Michael Jordan

Jordan: 5
Shaq: 5
LeBron: 3
Dirk: 3
Hakeem: 2
Duncan: 1
Malone: 1
Garnett: 1
Paul: 1

[kennethgriffin]

2012 - LeBron James
2011 - LeBron James
2010 - Lebron James
2009 - LeBron James
2008 - Chris Paul
2007 - Dirk Nowitzki
2006 - Kobe Bryant
2005 - Shaquille O'Neal
2004 - Kevin Garnett
2003 - Tim Duncan
2002 - Shaquille O'Neal
2001 - Shaquille O'Neal
2000 - Shaquille O'Neal
1999 - Shaquille O'Neal
1998 - Karl Malone
1997 - Michael Jordan
1996 - Michael Jordan
1995 - Hakeem Olajuwon
1994 - Hakeem Olajuwon
1993 - Michael Jordan
1992 - Michael Jordan
1991 - Michael Jordan

Jordan: 5
Shaq: 5
LeBron: 4
Hakeem: 2
Duncan: 1
Dirk: 1
Malone: 1
Kobe: 1
Garnett: 1
Paul: 1


or just put wade in 2006 and call in a night... f*ck it i'm out

close my thread

[KOBE143]

2012 - Durant
2011 - DRose
2010 - Kobe
2009 - Kobe
2008 - Kobe
2007 - Kobe
2006 - Kobe
2005 - Nash
2004 - KG
2003 - Duncan
2002 - Kobe
2001 - Shaq
2000 - Shaq
1999 - Shaq
1998 - Jordan
1997 - Jordan
1996 - Jordan
1995 - Hakeem
1994 - Hakeem
1993 - Jordan
1992 - Jordan
1991 - Jordan

Total
Kobe - 6
Jordan - 6
Shaq - 3
Hakeem - 2
Durant, DRose, KG, Duncan - 1

[KG215]

Griff, your agenda was obvious as soon as you named Durant your 2012 MVP. LeBron met all the criteria, had better numbers, and beat Durant head-to-head in the Finals while outplaying him.

[LEFT4DEAD]

2012 - James
2011 - James
2010 - James
2009 - Wade
2008 - James
2007 - James
2006 - James
2005 - Duncan
2004 - KG
2003 - Duncan
2002 - Duncan
2001 - Shaq
2000 - Shaq
1999 - Shaq
1998 - Jordan
1997 - Jordan
1996 - Jordan
1995 - Hakeem
1994 - Hakeem
1993 - Jordan
1992 - Jordan
1991 - Jordan

[chazzy]

2012 - James
2011 - James
2010 - Wade
2009 - James
2008 - James
2007 - James
2006 - James
2005 - Duncan
2004 - KG
2003 - Duncan
2002 - Duncan
2001 - Shaq
2000 - Shaq
1999 - Shaq
1998 - Jordan
1997 - Jordan
1996 - Jordan
1995 - Hakeem
1994 - Hakeem
1993 - Jordan
1992 - Jordan
1991 - Jordan
Why Wade over Lebron in 2010 but not 2009? Doesn't make sense

[KOBE143]

Why Wade over Lebron in 2010 but not 2009? Doesn't make sense
Dude has no common sense.. Just let it be.. :lol

[LEFT4DEAD]

Why Wade over Lebron in 2010 but not 2009? Doesn't make sense
Wrong year. My bad. :rolleyes:

[LEFT4DEAD]

Dude has no common sense.. Just let it be.. :lol
First take a look at your avatar pic and than talk about common sense.
:confusedshrug:

[Kews1]

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk129/slayercat27/KittenThread.jpg

[guy]

pick your last 22 mvps from 1990 until 2012

will keep track of the votes and name the official "real" mvp's according to ISH

IMO the MVP means best player + player of the year + on a contending team

Nash, rose were never even top 5 players in the league. made no sense for them to win the award. some guys proved who was boss in the finals after losing out in a close second vote ala hakeem, kobe, jordan... and some guys just diserve more

2012 - Durant
2011 - Lebron
2010 - Lebron
2009 - Kobe
2008 - Kobe
2007 - Kobe
2006 - Kobe
2005 - Shaq
2004 - duncan
2003 - duncan
2002 - duncan
2001 - Shaq
2000 - Shaq
1999 - Shaq
1998 - Jordan
1997 - Jordan
1996 - Jordan
1995 - Hakeem
1994 - Hakeem
1993 - Jordan
1992 - Jordan
1991 - Jordan


jordan should have atleast 7-8 mvps

shaq,kobe,hakeem having 1 each is ridiculous

Are you taking the playoffs into account?

[Mr Know It All]

We're talking about regular season MVP here:

2012: Lebron James
2011: Lebron James (Close second Dwight)
2010: Lebron James
2009: Lebron James
2008: Chris Paul
2007: Dirk Nowitzki
2006: Dirk Nowitzki
2005: Dirk, Shaq, Duncan, KG (Honestly no definitive MVP this year)
2004: Kevin Garnett
2003: Tim Duncan
2002: Tim Duncan (Shaq close second)
2001: Shaquille O'Neal
2000: Shaquille O'Neal
1999: Karl Malone
1998: Michael Jordan
1997: Michael Jordan
1996: Michael Jordan
1995: Hakeem Olajowan
1994: Hakeem Olajowan
1993: Michael Jordan
1992: Michael Jordan
1991: Michael Jordan
1990: Michael Jordan

[Whoah10115]

I assume we're talking about regular season MVP. I'm going to try.


2012: Lebron James (Duh)
2011: Dwight Howard
2010: Lebron James
2009: Dwyane Wade
2008: Chris Paul
2007: Steve Nash
2006: Kobe Bryant
2005: Steve Nash
2004: Kevin Garnett
2003: Kobe Bryant
2002: Jason Kidd
2001: Shaquille O'Neal
2000: Shaquille O'Neal
1999: Tim Duncan
1998: Karl Malone
1997: Michael Jordan
1996: Michael Jordan
1995: David Robinson (kind of an eh year)
1994: Hakeem Olajuwon/Scottie Pippen (tie)
1993: Charles Barkley/Michael Jordan (hard to argue with Michael)
1992: Michael Jordan
1991: Michael Jordan
1990: Magic Johnson/Michael Jordan (again)

[Heilige]

1990: Michael Jordan

1991: Michael Jordan

1992: Michael Jordan

1993: Michael Jordan

1994: Hakeem Olajuwon

1995: Hakeem Olajuwon

1996: Michael Jordan

1997: Michael Jordan

1998: Michael Jordan

1999: Karl Malone

2000: Shaquille O'Neal

2001: Shaquille O'Neal

2002: Shaquille O'Neal

2003: Tim Duncan

2004: Kevin Garnett

2005: Shaquille O'Neal

2006: Kobe Bryant

2007: Kobe Bryant

2008: Kobe Bryant

2009: LeBron James

2010: LeBron James

2011: LeBron James

2012: LeBron James


From 1990 until 2012:

Michael Jordan: 7 MVPs

Hakeem Olajuwon: 2 MVPs

Karl Malone: 1 MVP

Shaquille O'Neal: 4 MVPs

Tim Duncan: 1 MVP

Kevin Garnett: 1 MVP

Kobe Bryant: 3 MVPs

LeBron James: 4 MVPs

[kennethgriffin]

2012 - James
2011 - James
2010 - James
2009 - Wade
2008 - James
2007 - James
2006 - James
2005 - Duncan
2004 - KG
2003 - Duncan
2002 - Duncan
2001 - Shaq
2000 - Shaq
1999 - Shaq
1998 - Jordan
1997 - Jordan
1996 - Jordan
1995 - Hakeem
1994 - Hakeem
1993 - Jordan
1992 - Jordan
1991 - Jordan

its people like this that make me give up on ISH for a week

i don't know why i even came back

this place sucks


us kobe fans can say "lebrons the best, hes a top 11-15 all time, hes a legit mvp atleast 2-3 times probably.. "

but lebron fans are still hurt over something and routinely try and find a way to totally discount everything kobe ever did. its ridiculous how butthurt some people are on here


its like someone saying



1993 mvp - shaq
1994 mvp - shaq
1995 mvp - shaq
1996 mvp - shaq
1997 mvp - shaq
1998 mvp - shaq


jordan = bum





if someone did this they would be banned for trolling



lebron fans don't even believe the words that come out of their own mouth. theyre trolls and are driving people away from ish

[Umad101]

I'm a Kobe fan but how does he deserve MVP in 09 over lebron? Dude had a better record and better stats

[BlackVVaves]

1990: Michael Jordan

1991: Michael Jordan

1992: Michael Jordan

1993: Michael Jordan

1994: Hakeem Olajuwon

1995: Hakeem Olajuwon

1996: Michael Jordan

1997: Michael Jordan

1998: Michael Jordan

1999: Karl Malone

2000: Shaquille O'Neal

2001: Shaquille O'Neal

2002: Shaquille O'Neal

2003: Tim Duncan

2004: Kevin Garnett

2005: Shaquille O'Neal

2006: Kobe Bryant

2007: Kobe Bryant

2008: Kobe Bryant

2009: LeBron James

2010: LeBron James

2011: LeBron James

2012: LeBron James


From 1990 until 2012:

Michael Jordan: 7 MVPs

Hakeem Olajuwon: 2 MVPs

Karl Malone: 1 MVP

Shaquille O'Neal: 4 MVPs

Tim Duncan: 1 MVP

Kevin Garnett: 1 MVP

Kobe Bryant: 3 MVPs

LeBron James: 4 MVPs

This is literally the only sensible list in this thread up to this point. 2009 is a toss up between Lebron and Wade, and 2011 should go to Dwight.

Still, no qualms with this list at all. Exhibits the rationale of a true basketball fan that's free of subjectivity or agenda. The rest of you are either trolling or complete idiots missing major brain cells (did someone say Lebron was MVP in 2006? What are you, coked out?).

EDIT: I also wouldn't have a problem with Nash being awarded MVP in 2005, only because of his unworldly impact on not only that Suns team, but their franchise and the NBA as a whole. He wasn't the best individual player in the league that year (an actually motivated and in shape Shaq was) but his impact was so profound I can't say I am completely against the notion of him being a MVP. He was simply brilliant.

[RRR3]

This is literally the only sensible list in this thread up to this point. 2009 is a toss up between Lebron and Wade, and 2011 should go to Dwight.

Still, no qualms with this list at all. Exhibits the rationale of a true basketball fan that's free of subjectivity or agenda. The rest of you are either trolling or complete idiots missing major brain cells (did someone say Lebron was MVP in 2006? What are you, coked out?).
Iirc lebron finished 2nd in MVP voting in 2006 fwiw

[brownmamba00]

taking playoffs into account?

if so:
1990: Jordan
1991: Jordan
1992: Jordan
1993: Jordan
1994: Hakeem
1995: Hakeem
1996: Jordan
1997: Jordan
1998: Jordan
1999: Malone
2000: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2002: Shaq
2003: Duncan
2004: Garnett
2005: Duncan
2006: Kobe
2007: Duncan/Kobe
2008: Kobe
2009: LeBron
2010: Kobe
2011: Dirk
2012: LeBron

[Whoah10115]

EDIT: I also wouldn't have a problem with Nash being awarded MVP in 2005, only because of his unworldly impact on not only that Suns team, but their franchise and the NBA as a whole. He wasn't the best individual player in the league that year (an actually motivated and in shape Shaq was) but his impact was so profound I can't say I am completely against the notion of him being a MVP. He was simply brilliant.



While you do make a very good point here, the idea that Shaq was the best individual player is stupid. Shaq just had impact. Tim Duncan was easily a better player than Shaq that year, in every way. Playing in the better conference, with better big men, he did everything better. So that's just ridiculous.


And to say everyone else's list is terrible...that's pretty stupid. Giving it to Shaq in 2002 is ridiculous and the only reason to do it is to focus on when he was dominant and to focus on the general consensus that he was the best player in the league, and not on the entire package for that season.

[iamgine]

Regular season MVP

90 Michael Jordan
91 Michael Jordan
92 Michael Jordan
93 Hakeem Olajuwon
94 David Robinson
95 David Robinson
96 David Robinson
97 Karl Malone
98 Karl Malone
99 Shaquille O'Neal
00 Shaquille O'Neal
01 Shaquille O'Neal
02 Tim Duncan
03 Tim Duncan
04 Kevin Garnett
05 Dirk Nowitzki
06 Dirk Nowitzki
07 Dirk Nowitzki
08 Chris Paul
09 Lebron James
10 Lebron James
11 Dwight Howard
12 Lebron James

[tmacattack33]

MVP looks at value a player has to his team, and as such relies upon many contextual events (what happened when that player was hurt, who were this guys teammates, did somebody on his team get hurt and so did the player's role on his team get even larger, etc).

And it's pretty hard to remember those things for every top team for the past 20 years. I might be able to do 10, but not 20. And i'd only be confident about years in which i specifically remember the MVP race and what each player's argument was.

So this is much harder to do then a pure "best player" list of the past 20 years. Best player only has to do with that one specific player and doesn't involve the contextual events I listed above.

[Kblaze8855]

Iirc lebron finished 2nd in MVP voting in 2006 fwiw


06:

Steve Nash (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/steve_nash/index.html), Phoenix 57 32 20 8 6 924
LeBron James (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/lebron_james/index.html), Cleveland 16 41 33 23 7 688
Dirk Nowitzki (http://www.nba.com/playerfile/dirk_nowitzki/index.html), Dallas 14 22 25 36 17 544

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

taking playoffs into account?

if so:
1990: Jordan
1991: Jordan
1992: Jordan
1993: Jordan
1994: Hakeem
1995: Hakeem
1996: Jordan
1997: Jordan
1998: Shaq
1999: Malone (not sure about this one)
2000: Shaq
2001: Shaq
2002: Shaq
2003: Duncan
2004: Garnett
2005: Duncan
2006: Kobe
2007: Duncan/Kobe
2008: Kobe
2009: LeBron
2010: Lebron
2011: Dirk
2012: LeBron

Good list. Fixed a couple though.

[BlackVVaves]

Iirc lebron finished 2nd in MVP voting in 2006 fwiw

RRR3, do you think Lebron was the best player in the league in 2006?

[StateOfMind12]

2012 - Lebron James
2011 - Derrick Rose
2010 - Lebron James
2009 - Lebron James
2008 - Kobe Bryant
2007 - Dirk Nowitzki
2006 - Kobe Bryant
2005 - Steve Nash
2004 - Kevin Garnett
2003 - Tim Duncan
2002 - Tim Duncan
2001 - Shaquille O'Neal
2000 - Shaquille O'Neal
1999 - Karl Malone
1998 - Michael Jordan
1997 - Michael Jordan
1996 - Michael Jordan
1995 - David Robinson
1994 - Hakeem Olajuwon
1993 - Michael Jordan
1992 - Michael Jordan
1991 - Michael Jordan

Jordan - 6
Lebron - 3
Duncan - 2
Shaq - 2
Kobe - 2
Hakeem - 1
Robinson - 1
Dirk - 1
Malone - 1
Rose - 1
Garnett - 1
Nash - 1

[Mr Know It All]

Regular season MVP

90 Michael Jordan
91 Michael Jordan
92 Michael Jordan
93 Hakeem Olajuwon
94 David Robinson
95 David Robinson
96 David Robinson
97 Karl Malone
98 Karl Malone
99 Shaquille O'Neal
00 Shaquille O'Neal
01 Shaquille O'Neal
02 Tim Duncan
03 Tim Duncan
04 Kevin Garnett
05 Dirk Nowitzki
06 Dirk Nowitzki
07 Dirk Nowitzki
08 Chris Paul
09 Lebron James
10 Lebron James
11 Dwight Howard
12 Lebron James

Very interesting list.:applause:

[RRR3]

RRR3, do you think Lebron was the best player in the league in 2006?
No

[kennethgriffin]

calling all kobe fans. just return the favor and leave jordan and lebron off your lists.. this place is just a bunch of trolls

[BlackVVaves]

While you do make a very good point here, the idea that Shaq was the best individual player is stupid. Shaq just had impact. Tim Duncan was easily a better player than Shaq that year, in every way. Playing in the better conference, with better big men, he did everything better. So that's just ridiculous.


And to say everyone else's list is terrible...that's pretty stupid. Giving it to Shaq in 2002 is ridiculous and the only reason to do it is to focus on when he was dominant and to focus on the general consensus that he was the best player in the league, and not on the entire package for that season.

On your first point: No, Duncan wasn't the best individual player in 2005. If memory serves me right, Shaq was nearly equal in rebounds per game, scored more points per game, and shot 60% from the field while Duncan only shot 49%. Of course, per usual, Duncan was the better defender and probably racked up more blocks that year as it was, in my opinion, one of his best defensive years. However, coupled with the impact Shaq made on the Heat, I'm not sure how Duncan can be assessed as the better player....unless you are accounting for post-season play? In which case, this thread seems to have been guided along the lines of regular season play, as all MVP criteria is predicated.

To your second point: No, it's not dumb labeling some of these lists and posters as stupid. If someone can sit and say Dirk was the MVP in 2008, or Kobe was the MVP in 2010, then they have earned that stripe easily.

[tmacattack33]

Since 2000, I'd leave them as they were, except for...

2001 Iverson...should be Shaq's

2005 Nash...should be Shaq's (and the voting for this was very close, Nash barely won over O'neal )

2011 Rose...should be Dwight's

[MiamiThrice]

calling all kobe fans. just return the favor and leave jordan and lebron off your lists.. this place is just a bunch of trolls



Why? Because your mad Kobe has very few years you could argue he was the MVP?

According to your critera in the OP, the player must have been on a contender. So we automatically cancel out 2006 and 2007 for Kobe. That leaves 2008 as the only year you can actually argue Kobe, which ironically enough is the year he won it. 2009 LeBron became unquestionably the best player in the league while leading his team to contender status and it's like that for afew years.

[pauk]

2011-12 Lebron James
2010-11 Derrick Rose
2009-10 LeBron James
2008-09 LeBron James
2007-08 Kobe Bryant
2006-07 Dirk Nowitzki
2005-06 Steve Nash
2004-05 Steve Nash
2003-04 Kevin Garnett
2002-03 Tim Duncan
2001-02 Tim Duncan
2000-01 Allen Iverson
1999-00 Shaquille O'Neal
1998-99 Karl Malone
1997-98 Michael Jordan
1996-97 Karl Malone
1995-96 Michael Jordan
1994-95 David Robinson
1993-94 Hakeem Olajuwon
1992-93 Charles Barkley
1991-92 Michael Jordan
1990-91 Michael Jordan

See what i did there?

[Whoah10115]

On your first point: No, Duncan wasn't the best individual player in 2005. If memory serves me right, Shaq was nearly equal in rebounds per game, scored more points per game, and shot 60% from the field while Duncan only shot 49%. Of course, per usual, Duncan was the better defender and probably racked up more blocks that year as it was, in my opinion, one of his best defensive years. However, coupled with the impact Shaq made on the Heat, I'm not sure how Duncan can be assessed as the better player....unless you are accounting for post-season play? In which case, this thread seems to have been guided along the lines of regular season play, as all MVP criteria is predicated.

To your second point: No, it's not dumb labeling some of these lists and posters as stupid. If someone can sit and say Dirk was the MVP in 2008, or Kobe was the MVP in 2010, then they have earned that stripe easily.



But you didn't say some lists were stupid. You said that the guy you quoted was the only list that wasn't stupid. And that's far-fetched.



Duncan actually did score less, so I was wrong on that. Regardless, I didn't say he was the best individual player. Garnett was better than both of them, but his team was horrible and managed to miss the playoffs by a game. So while I'd put KG on the 1st team, I'm not gonna argue him for MVP or anything. I thought Iverson had, easily, his best season. His team was a low seed in the East, but they still got to the playoffs due to what he did. I'd take him above Shaq. I'd also take Wade above Shaq, but I've said that enough times.

[kennethgriffin]

Why? Because your mad Kobe has very few years you could argue he was the MVP?

According to your critera in the OP, the player must have been on a contender. So we automatically cancel out 2006 and 2007 for Kobe. That leaves 2008 as the only year you can actually argue Kobe, which ironically enough is the year he won it. 2009 LeBron became unquestionably the best player in the league while leading his team to contender status and it's like that for afew years.


2003 ( best stats on a contender )
2006 ( most valuable player to his team, best stats, best player )
2007 ( most valuable player to his team, best stats, best player )
2008 ( won mvp. no argument )
2009 ( 1 less win, nearly equal stats in a much tougher western confrence, won title and mvp with 33/8/5 finals )

= verry few years he could be argued?





ISH is full of god damn f*ckin idiotic jealous haters and people like them are flooding these espn networks writing insanely biased reports and being rewarded for them with an mvp ballot at the end of the year



its no surprise the 6 or 7th best player in history with 1 less ring than michael jordan has less mvps than a career loser like steve freaking nash





let me just say this... Derrick rose has as many MVPs as kobe. if he retired tomorow he wouldnt be a hall of famer

this is what compares to legends such as kobe,shaq,hakeem in terms of mvp's


is it any wonder the US always votes for the wrong president? because most of the country is re*tarded


great basketball minds should vote for MVP


i.e. COACHES



the award has less prestige than a dunk contest title these days.. pathetic

[pauk]

RRR3, do you think Lebron was the best player in the league in 2006?

Depends on what you think the best player in the league is?

A: The most talented player, who was the most dominant against any other player matchups, who dropped the best numbers / was the most productive and had the best impact & success based on what he had to work with around him...

B: The player who was not the most dominant, who was not the most productive, who didnt have the best impact.... but who ended up winning a championship and maybe FMVP due to having a fantastic team...


I consider Player A more logical and with that being said in 2006-07 it was Kobe followed by Lebron, then it was Lebron and Kobe in 2007, it was Kobe and Lebron, Lebron and Kobe 24-7 back then i remember very well, those were the discussions & debates all the time.

But then Lebron ditched Kobe in 2008-09 and after that officially gradually completely vanquished him out of any such conversation.

[tmacattack33]

calling all kobe fans. just return the favor and leave jordan and lebron off your lists.. this place is just a bunch of trolls



To leave Kobe off the list would mean changing one year. An unbiased person could certainly do this.

To leave Lebron off the list would mean changing three years. If somebody did this, it would certainly raise questions about his subjectivity in regards to Lebron.

Big difference.

[MiamiThrice]

2003 ( best stats on a contender )
2006 ( most valuable player to his team, best stats, best player )
2007 ( most valuable player to his team, best stats, best player )
2008 ( won mvp. no argument )
2009 ( 1 less win, nearly equal stats in a much tougher western confrence, won title and mvp with 33/8/5 finals )

= verry few years he could be argued?



2003: Kobe wasn't even the best player on his team, let alone the league. :roll: Even if you did want to make a case for Kobe over Shaq, good luck winning an argument vs Duncan who won League MVP, Finals MVP, and won a ring all without any all-star teammate. Didn't he have a quadruple duple in a Finals game too? Yeah good luck

2006 and 2007: Im not going to give MVP on a guy who barely has his team at .500. You yourself stated, and I quote
"IMO the MVP means best player + player of the year + on a contending team"

Looks like your making exceptions for your favorite player. The agenda is clear.

2008: Only year it's arguable

2009: LeBron James has 28/8/7 on 49% shooting while Kobe has 26/5/5 on 46% shooting. LeBron James led his team to 66-16 record in which Mo Williams was the best teammate on his team while Kobes team had less wins. Kobe had 3 teammates better(Pau,Bynum,Odom) than LeBrons best teammate(Mo Williams) yet he still put up less wins and had inferior stats as well. There's a reason LeBron James got 109 first place votes and Kobe only got 2 first place votes and it isn't because of hype like it was with Nash and Rose who both won MVPs by taking the league by surprise. LeBron was just by far the most dominant and it isn't close. LeBron was also 2nd in DPOY voting.

[tmacattack33]

(continued from my above post)...

Also, Kobe's 2008 win was contested. Only one of Lebron's was closely contested (2012). Lebron's 2009 and 2010 wins were not very close.


Kobe 2008 (1100 Kobe to 900 CP3)
Lebron 2009 (1200 Lebron to 700 Kobe)
Lebron 2010 (1200 Lebron to 600 Durant)
Lebron 2012 (1100 Lebron to 900 Durant)


The 2009 and 2010 races were two of the most uncontested MVP races in the past twenty years. So, if someone to change both of them and leave Lebron off his list entirely, it's almost certain he is being very biased.

[LakersReign]

Lebron all 22 years.

This....from a supposed "real" Heat fan? Seems like you forgot about your boy Wade, real quick when this thread came up? OOPS!!!!
http://i750.photobucket.com/albums/xx150/cousin_e/OHDAMNLOL.gif

[RRR3]

This....from a supposed "real" Heat fan? Seems like you forgot about your boy Wade, real quick when this thread came up? OOPS!!!!
http://i750.photobucket.com/albums/xx150/cousin_e/OHDAMNLOL.gif
Someone can't detect sarcasm

[LakersReign]

Just gotta love it how the ret**d above me ALWAYS....HAS TO....MUST....AUTOMATICALLY respond to ANYTHING I(LR) post. Even when I'm not speaking to him(rrr3). Then turns right around and try to say he's not my(LR) b***h(rrr3):lol

[Doranku]

2012 - Kobe
2011 - Rose
2010 - Kobe
2009 - Kobe
2008 - Kobe
2007 - Kobe
2006 - Kobe
2005 - Kobe
2004 - Kobe
2003 - Kobe
2002 - Kobe
2001 - Kobe
2000 - Kobe
1999 - Kobe
1998 - Kobe
1997 - Kobe
1996 - Pippen
1995 - Pippen
1994 - Pippen
1993 - Pippen
1992 - Pippen
1991 - Pippen

[Dave3]

2009 ( 1 less win, nearly equal stats in a much tougher western confrence, won title and mvp with 33/8/5 finals )


Just thought I'd make a small point. Not that the whole post can easily be argued against, but this was especially noteworthy.

So LeBron had both

a) better stats (28/8/7/1.7/1.1 on 49%/34/78 is not nearly equal to 27/5/5/1.5/0.5 on 37/35/86, especially considering that outside of the stats, the former was clearly better than the latter as a player). More points on better efficiency, 3 more rebounds and 2 more assists is a distinct difference.

and b), LeBron had the better record. But of course you point out, he played in the much easier conference right? His overall record was 66-12 (80%) but his record against the much superior western conference was 26-4 (87%) so he actually won at a much better rate against the Western conference than the weak East conference. Seems pretty weird....

And actually, Kobe also had a better winning percentage (86%) against the Western conference than against the pathetically weak Eastern conference (68%). I guess playing in the East really benefited LeBron's record like you're saying....or you're just biased to the point of blindness. I'm leaning towards the latter for some reason.

[TheMarkMadsen]

2012 - Kobe
2011 - Rose
2010 - Kobe
2009 - Kobe
2008 - Kobe
2007 - Kobe
2006 - Kobe
2005 - Kobe
2004 - Kobe
2003 - Kobe
2002 - Kobe
2001 - Kobe
2000 - Kobe
1999 - Kobe
1998 - Kobe
1997 - Kobe
1996 - Pippen
1995 - Pippen
1994 - Pippen
1993 - Pippen
1992 - Pippen
1991 - Pippen


Eh good list however i slightly disagree with the bolded.

in 96 Kobe put up 31 12 6 4 & 3 on his way to his teams first ever championship.

92 was clearly Kobe's year, anybody saying otherwise is :facepalm

[LEFT4DEAD]

2012 - Kobe
2011 - Rose
2010 - Kobe
2009 - Kobe
2008 - Kobe
2007 - Kobe
2006 - Kobe
2005 - Kobe
2004 - Kobe
2003 - Kobe
2002 - Kobe
2001 - Kobe
2000 - Kobe
1999 - Kobe
1998 - Kobe
1997 - Kobe
1996 - Pippen
1995 - Pippen
1994 - Pippen
1993 - Pippen
1992 - Pippen
1991 - Pippen
:biggums:


:mad: :mad: :mad:
:roll: :roll:

[guy]

RS
90 - Jordan
91 - Jordan
92 - Jordan
93 - Jordan
94 - Hakeem
95 - Robinson
96 - Jordan
97 - Jordan
98 - Jordan
99 - Shaq
00 - Shaq
01 - Shaq
02 - Duncan
03 - Duncan
04 - KG
05 - KG
06 - Kobe
07 - Kobe
08 - Kobe
09 - Lebron
10 - Lebron
11 - Lebron
12 - Lebron

If we're including Playoffs, I'd make the following changes:

95 - Hakeem
99 - Duncan
02 - Shaq
05 - Duncan
10 - Kobe
11 - Dirk

[Shade8780]

1991: Michael Jordan
1992: Michael Jordan
1993: Michael Jordan
1994: Hakeem Olajuwon
1995: Hakeem Olajuwon
1996: Michael Jordan
1997: Michael Jordan
1998: Michael Jordan
1999: Tim Duncan
2000: Shaquille O'Neal
2001: Shaquille O'Neal
2002: Shaquille O'Neal
2003: Tim Duncan
2004: Kevin Garnett
2005: Tim Duncan
2006: Kobe Bryant
2007: Tim Duncan
2008: Kobe Bryant
2009: LeBron James
2010: LeBron James
2011: LeBron James
2012: LeBron James

[Odinn]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=233477


1990- Magic
1991- Jordan
1992- Jordan
1993- Barkley (Hakeem)
1994- Hakeem (Robinson)
1995- Robinson
1996- Jordan
1997- K. Malone (Jordan)
1998- K. Malone (Jordan)
1999- Duncan (Zo or Malone)
2000- Shaq
2001- Shaq
2002- Duncan
2003- Duncan
2004- Garnett
2005- Shaq (Nash)
2006- Kobe (Nash or Dirk)
2007- Dirk
2008- CP3 (Kobe)
2009- Lebron
2010- Lebron
2011- Dwight (Lebron)

I wouldn't argue too much against names in the parenthesis.

If we include the playoffs I'd make the following changes;
1995- Hakeem
1997- Jordan
1998- Jordan
1999- Duncan
2002- Shaq
2005- Duncan
2007- Duncan
2008- Kobe
2011- Dirk

[RRR3]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=233477



If we include the playoffs I'd make the following changes;
1995- Hakeem
1997- Jordan
1998- Jordan
1999- Duncan
2002- Shaq
2005- Duncan
2007- Duncan
2008- Kobe
2011- LeBron
:biggums:

[Money 23]

IMO you have to include post season play. Without it, things don't have as much context and meaning. I have always thought MVP should be voted for after the entire season plays out. It gives a better indication of who the true alpha dog of the league was ... and it isn't just the best player that got to the Finals or best player on the team that won. It's performance in both regular and post season.

Ex: Kobe has a great 2009, both regular and post season. He had nice stats, and his team won the championship w/ him as unquestionable leader. But he's overthrown by such a historic playoffs from LeBron James on an individual level. Because if Mo Williams even showed up in that series, I'm pretty sure they would've faced the Lakers in the Finals. And we finally would've got our (peak) LeBron v.s. (just past prime) Kobe as the headline of the Finals. Very much akin to Magic's Lakers of 1991 v.s. MJ's Bulls, where one legend rose from the ashes of another.

And w/ playoff performances this is how it breaks down for me ...

90 - MJ
91 - MJ
92 - MJ
93 - MJ
94 - Hakeem
95 - Hakeem
96 - MJ
97 - MJ
98 - MJ

I didn't watch the 1999 season.

00 - Shaq
01 - Shaq
02 - Shaq
03 - Duncan
04 - Garnett
05 - Duncan
06 - Wade
07 - Duncan
08 - Kobe
09 - LeBron
2010 - Kobe
2011 - Dirk
2012 - LeBron

Totals

MJ: 7x MVPs
Shaq: 3x MVPs
Duncan: 3x MVPs
Hakeem: 2x MVPs
Kobe: 2x MVPs
LeBron: 2x MVPs
Wade: MVP
Dirk: MVP
Garnett: MVP

Including the post season makes things much more accurate, IMO

[Odinn]

:biggums:
Yeah. Fixed. It was shocking for me too. What was i thinking while writing that post?..:oldlol:

[Mr. Incredible]

OP=Fail

[kennethgriffin]

OP=Fail


My list was accurate...


Its these lebron fans that ruined the thread with their biased idiocy

[Freedom Kid7]

1991 - Jordan. It was his best year. His team had a 61 win season
1992 - Still Jordan. Team had 67 wins, still had a great statistical season, etc
1993 - Barkley still probably deserves this. Team had best record, his best year, the Suns improved, etc. (If we go by playoffs as well, then Jordan for obvious reasons)
1994 - Hakeem. Peak year, Rockets had a good record, etc.
1995 - Robinson in the regular season for mind boggling stats and having a 63 win season or so. If we include the playoffs, then Hakeem for obvious reasons
1996 - Jordan. 72 wins. That is all.
1997 - Jordan. This was tough, but Jordan's team had 5 more wins than Utah did, and it wasn't Malone's peak yet.
1998 - Malone. Better statistical year then Jordan, had the same record as well. Obviously if we include the post season it's Jordan due to the shot and almost backdoor sweeping the Jazz
1999 - Duncan. That Spurs team was good and he revitalized it into contenders again
2000 - Shaq. I need not to state reasons
2001 - Shaq. See the reasons above. AI's MVP was more of "D'aww I like your effort and record so here's a trophy even though you aren't the best"
2002 - Kidd. He flipped a 30 win Net team to NBA Finalist with a team of scrubs.
2003 - Duncan. Best year, Best record, etc.
2004 - Kevin Garnett. Mind blowing statistically, explosive as hell, defensive beast, etc.
2005 - Duncan. Nash was good and all but Duncan dismantled Amar'e and they walked through the Suns
2006 - On one hand, Kobe played his best and put up 35/5/5 on legitimate effeciency and had one stretch or so of 41+ points or something crazy. On one hand Dirk's incredible journey of the playoffs that was cut short due to refs was impressive. I think if we go by Regular Season it's Kobe and if it's an all around inclusion than it's Dirk.
2007 - Dirk had to have won the MVP in '07. He won a hell of a lot games. But he also got knocked out in the first round. So for the playoffs it's either Duncan or LeBron. Seeing as how Duncan's team won, it's him. (so RS=Dirk, PS = Duncan with LeBron being a close second)
2008 - Kobe's most all around year of defense and offense, and with a good record and making it to the finals, I say it's well deserved
2009 - For me here it's between Wade/Bron for the RS with Bron edging it out due to superior record and numbers and Kobe/Bron for the PS with Kobe edging it out. I feel overall it has to go to LeBron. Athletically peaked and played so damn well.
2010 - Oh God I don't know. I might have to go with Kobe here. Before you go "wahwah Gasol was the best", then I shake my head at you. Gasol was a great second option and played incredibly well and was key, but without Kobe Lakers are just the Grizzlies. LeBron's regular season was good and all, but his Post Season was so damn lack luster.
2011 - Dirk with post season included. Rose for regular season (fanboyism here and they had a great 60+ win season)
2012 - LeBron played so damn well it blew my mind.

So yeah

[KOBE143]

2012 - Kobe
2011 - Rose
2010 - Kobe
2009 - Kobe
2008 - Kobe
2007 - Kobe
2006 - Kobe
2005 - Kobe
2004 - Kobe
2003 - Kobe
2002 - Kobe
2001 - Kobe
2000 - Kobe
1999 - Kobe
1998 - Kobe
1997 - Kobe
1996 - Pippen
1995 - Pippen
1994 - Pippen
1993 - Pippen
1992 - Pippen
1991 - Pippen
This seems about right.. :lol

[LBJMVP]

all give you my MVPS since i started watching b-ball


2012 - lebron
2011 - lebron
2010 -lebron
2009-lebron
2008-wade
2007- dirk
2006- kobe
2005 - kobe
2004- garnett
2003-duncan
2002-shaq
2001-shaq
2000- shaq

[RRR3]

all give you my MVPS since i started watching b-ball


2012 - lebron
2011 - lebron
2010 -lebron
2009-lebron
2008-wade
2007- dirk
2006- kobe
2005 - kobe
2004- garnett
2003-duncan
2002-shaq
2001-shaq
2000- shaq
05 was one of Kobe's worst seasons. Wade played 51 games in 08 and the Heat won 15 games. :coleman: :biggums:

[Freedom Kid7]

05 was one of Kobe's worst seasons. Wade played 51 games in 08 and the Heat won 15 games. :coleman: :biggums:
I feel the same way. 05 Kobe had a good statistical season though, but the Lakers were a joke

[EnoughSaid]

Wade should have won one in 09. Dude was on a HORRRRIBLE team but put up an amazing season. :bowdown:

[StateOfMind12]

Wade should have won one in 09. Dude was on a HORRRRIBLE team but put up an amazing season. :bowdown:
The MVP was quite clearly Lebron's.

The 09 Heat w/o Wade and the 09 Cavs w/o Lebron weren't that much different.

It certainly wasn't the difference between a 66 win team and a 43 win team.

[nycelt84]

1991 Jordan
1992 Jordan
1993 Barkley
1994 Olajuwon
1995 Robinson
1996 Jordan
1997 Jordan
1998 Jordan
1999 Duncan
2000 O' Neal
2001 O'Neal
2002 Duncan
2003 Duncan
2004 Garnett
2005 O'Neal
2006 Bryant
2007 Nowitzki
2008 Bryant
2009 James
2010 James
2011 Rose
2012 James

[magnax1]

91-Jordan
92-Jordan
93-Jordan (Jordan vs Barkley in both 90 and 93 is tough. Especially 93. The 93 Bulls didn't play to their full potential, though Jordan carried a larger load then 92)
94-Robinson
95-Hakeem
96-Jordan
97-Jordan
98-Malone
99-Malone
00-Shaq
01-AI
02-Duncan
03-KG (probably the closest MVP race ever in my mind. I think KG was a bit more impactful. Better defender, rebounder and passer, while Duncan was the better scorer. Basically no difference between the two no matter what though)
04-KG
05-Duncan (Nash would be pretty close though. I don't know why Shaq gets so much more attention then Duncan this year when he just clearly wasn't as good as him anymore though)
06-Kobe
07-Nash
08-Kobe
09-Lebron
10-Lebron
11-Dwight
12-Lebron

[RaininTwos]

2012: Lebron James
2011: Derrick Rose
2010: Lebron James
2009: Dwayne Wade
2008: Chris Paul
2007: Dirk
2006: Kobe
2005: Nash
2004: KG
2003: Duncan
2002: Kidd
2001: Iverson
2000: Shaq

[Djahjaga]

pick your last 22 mvps from 1990 until 2012

will keep track of the votes and name the official "real" mvp's according to ISH

IMO the MVP means best player + player of the year + on a contending team

Nash, rose were never even top 5 players in the league. made no sense for them to win the award. some guys proved who was boss in the finals after losing out in a close second vote ala hakeem, kobe, jordan... and some guys just diserve more

2012 - Durant
2011 - Lebron
2010 - Lebron
2009 - Kobe
2008 - Kobe
2007 - Kobe
2006 - Kobe
2005 - Shaq
2004 - duncan
2003 - duncan
2002 - duncan
2001 - Shaq
2000 - Shaq
1999 - Shaq
1998 - Jordan
1997 - Jordan
1996 - Jordan
1995 - Hakeem
1994 - Hakeem
1993 - Jordan
1992 - Jordan
1991 - Jordan


jordan should have atleast 7-8 mvps

shaq,kobe,hakeem having 1 each is ridiculous



Those were contending teams?

[Dave3]

Those were contending teams?
The fact that it took over 60 replies to actually point that out just proves that people on ISH don't take him seriously enough to read the full post.

But yeah, the OP was never about anything of substance. Just an excuse to talk more about you know who.

[StateOfMind12]

2002: Kidd
http://www.pigskinbuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/jaguars-fan-gif.gif

Kidd in no way shape or form deserved the MVP over Duncan in 2002, none. 2002 Duncan probably had a better regular season than he did in 2003. His 2002 season gets discredited for his post-season performance which wasn't even that bad and it was mainly because he had no help.

[SwayDizzle]

how the hell is a thread about finding a majority opinion on the mvps over the last 2 decades a ridiculous thread?

alright... lets make it about the kind of tight clothing chris paul is wearing on a fashion magazine instead

oh sorry. that legitimate thread is already being discussed


f*ckin fa**ot
SCHOOOOOLED hahaha
good thread btw :cheers:

[SwayDizzle]

2012 - Kobe
2011 - Rose
2010 - Kobe
2009 - Kobe
2008 - Kobe
2007 - Kobe
2006 - Kobe
2005 - Kobe
2004 - Kobe
2003 - Kobe
2002 - Kobe
2001 - Kobe
2000 - Kobe
1999 - Kobe
1998 - Kobe
1997 - Kobe
1996 - Pippen
1995 - Pippen
1994 - Pippen
1993 - Pippen
1992 - Pippen
1991 - Pippen
Good list :lol

[kennethgriffin]

official 2012 ISH MVP = Lebron James ( 14 votes )

2nd place - Kevin Durant ( 2 votes )

3rd place - Kobe Bryant ( 1 vote )


2012 - James
2012 - Durant
2012 - LeBron James
2012 - Durant
12 Lebron James
2012: LeBron
2012: LeBron James
2012: Lebron James (Duh)
2012: Lebron James
2011-12 Lebron James
2012 - LeBron
2012: LeBron James
12 - Lebron
2012 - Kobe
2012 - LeBron played so damn well it blew my mind.
2012 - lebron
2012 James

[kennethgriffin]

Official ISH 2011 MVP - Co-MVP's Lebron James ( 6 votes ) and Derrick Rose ( 6 votes )

2nd - Dirk Nowitzki ( 5 votes )
3rd - Dwight Howard ( 3 votes )


2011 - James
2011 - DRose
2011 - Dirk Nowitzki
2011 - Dirk
11 Dwight Howard
2011: Dirk
2011: LeBron James
2011: Dwight Howard
2011: Lebron James (Close second Dwight)
2010-11 Derrick Rose
2011 - Derrick Rose
2011 - Dirk
2011: LeBron James
11 - Lebron
2011 - Rose
2011 - Dirk with post season included. Rose for regular season (fanboyism here and they had a great 60+ win season)
2011 - lebron
2011 Rose
11-Dwight
2011: Derrick Rose

[kennethgriffin]

Official ISH 2010 MVP - Lebron James ( 15 votes )

2nd - Kobe Bryant ( 5 votes )



2010 - James
2010 - Kobe
2010 - Lebron James
2010 - Lebron
10 Lebron James
2010: Kobe
2010: LeBron James
2010: Lebron James
2010: Lebron James
2009-10 LeBron James
2010 - Lebron James
2010 - Kobe
2010: LeBron James
10 - Lebron
2010 - Kobe
2010 - Oh God I don't know. I might have to go with Kobe here.
2010 -lebron
2010 James
10-Lebron
2010: Lebron James

[kennethgriffin]

Official 2009 ISH MVP - Lebron James ( 13 votes )

2nd - Dwyane Wade ( 3 votes )
3rd - Kobe Bryant ( 2 votes )
4th - Dirk Nowitzki ( 1 vote )



2009 - Wade
2009 - Kobe
2009 - LeBron James
2009 - Dirk
09 Lebron James
2009: LeBron
2009: LeBron James
2009: Dwyane Wade
2009: Lebron James
2008-09 LeBron James
2009 - Lebron James
09 - LeBron
2009: LeBron James
2009 - Kobe
2009 - I feel overall it has to go to LeBron.
2009-lebron
2009 James
09-Lebron
2009: Dwayne Wade

[kennethgriffin]

Official 2008 ISH MVP - Kobe Bryant ( 13 votes )

2nd - Chris Paul ( 5 votes )
3rd - Lebron James, Dirk Nowtizki ( 1 vote each )


2008 - James
2008 - Kobe
2008 - Chris Paul
2008 - Dirk
2008 - Kobe
08 Chris Paul
2008: Kobe
2008: Kobe Bryant
2008: Chris Paul
2008: Chris Paul
2007-08 Kobe Bryant
2008 - Kobe Bryant
08 - Kobe
2008: Kobe Bryant
08 - Kobe
2008 - Kobe
2008 - Kobe's most all around year
2008 Bryant
08-Kobe
2008: Chris Paul

[kennethgriffin]

Official 2007 ISH MVP - Dirk Nowitzki ( 7 votes )

2nd - Kobe Bryant ( 5 votes )
3rd - Tim Duncan and steve nash ( 2 votes each )


2007 - Kobe
07 Dirk Nowitzki
2007: Kobe
2007: Kobe Bryant
2007: Steve Nash
2007: Dirk Nowitzki
2006-07 Dirk Nowitzki
2007 - Dirk Nowitzki
07 - Duncan
2007: Tim Duncan
07 - Kobe
2007 - Kobe
2007 - Dirk had to have won the MVP in '07.
2007 Nowitzki
07-Nash
2007: Dirk

[kennethgriffin]

Official 2006 ISH MVP - Kobe Bryant ( 12 votes )

2nd - Dirk Nowitzki ( 4 votes )
3rd - Steve Nash ( 2 votes )
4th - Lebron James ( 1 vote )


2006 - James
2006 - Kobe
2006 - Dirk Nowitzki
2006 - Nash
2006 - Kobe
06 Dirk Nowitzki
2006: Kobe
2006: Kobe Bryant
2006: Dirk Nowitzki
2005-06 Steve Nash
2006 - Kobe Bryant
06 - Wade
2006: Kobe Bryant
06 - Kobe
2006 - Kobe
2006 - it's Dirk.
2006- kobe
2006 Bryant
06-Kobe
2006: Kobe

[kennethgriffin]

Official 2005 ISH MVP - Steve Nash ( 6 votes )


2nd - Tim Duncan ( 5 votes )
3rd - Shaquille O'neal ( 3 votes )
4th - Kobe Bryant ( 2 votes )
5th - Dirk Nowitzki ( 1 vote )


2005 - Duncan
2005 - Nash
2005 - Shaquille O'Neal
2005 - Nash
05 Dirk Nowitzki
2005: Duncan
2005: Shaquille O'Neal
2005: Steve Nash
2004-05 Steve Nash
2005 - Steve Nash
05 - Duncan
2005: Tim Duncan
05 - KG
2005 - Kobe
2005 - kobe
2005 O'Neal
05-Duncan
2005: Nash

[kennethgriffin]

Official 2004 ISH MVP - Kevin Garnett ( 17 votes )

2nd - Tim Duncan ( 2 votes )
3rd - Kobe Bryant ( 1 vote )



2004 - KG
2004 - KG
2004 - Kevin Garnett
2004 - duncan
2004 - duncan
04 Kevin Garnett
2004: Garnett
2004: Kevin Garnett
2004: Kevin Garnett
2004: Kevin Garnett
2003-04 Kevin Garnett
2004 - Kevin Garnett
04 - Garnett
2004: Kevin Garnett
2004 - Kobe
2004 - Kevin Garnett.
2004- garnett
2004 Garnett
04-KG
2004: KG

[kennethgriffin]

Official 2003 ISH MVP - Tim Duncan ( 16 votes )

2nd - Kobe Bryant and Kevin Garnett ( 1 vote each )




2003 - Duncan
2003 - Duncan
2003 - Tim Duncan
2003 - duncan
2003 - duncan
03 Tim Duncan
2003: Duncan
2003: Tim Duncan
2003: Kobe Bryant
2003: Tim Duncan
2002-03 Tim Duncan
2003 - Tim Duncan
03 - Duncan
2003: Tim Duncan
2003 - Kobe
2003-duncan
2003 Duncan
03-KG
2003: Duncan