Who's the second best player in Euroleague history?

[Heavincent]

So we all know Anthony Parker is the undisputed Euroleague GOAT. But who's the second best?

Deron Williams: Averaged 38/12/5 on 55% shooting and won the Euroleague championship last year before returning to the NBA

50 year old Dominque Wilkins: Averaged 32/8/8 on 56% shooting and was a 5X Euroleague champion

It's either of those guys imo, but you still have guys like Andrei Kirilenko, Nenad Kristic, Brian Scalabrine, and Adam Morrison, who are also in the discussion. What do you guys think?



Source: Euroleague.net

[RRR3]

Joey Dorsey may surpass Anthony Parker, as crazy as it may sound. "Euroleague Shaq", or "Joe Diesel" as some call him, is averaging 38 PPG and 24 RPG so far and shooting an insane 74% from the floor, and he's blocking 9 shots a game:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

Dat domination

[jongib369]

This brings tears to my eyes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIFPRay9EZM

:cry:

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Heavincent]

Joey Dorsey may surpass Anthony Parker, as crazy as it may sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd9OW4sAlIE

[swi7ch]

No way 50-year old 'nique averaged 32PPG in the Euroleague... just no freaking way! :roll:

That's just way too embarrassing for that league if a 50-year old can do that!

[Heavincent]

No way 50-year old 'nique averaged 32PPG in the Euroleague... just no freaking way! :roll:

That's just way too embarrassing for that league if a 50-year old can do that!

I'm serious. Check Euroleague.net.

[TaLvsCuaL]

At least that Euroleague troll is funny, but I can save your shitty thread with this gif.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9o286IaIf1qbogk6o1_500.gif

[Heavincent]

At least that Euroleague troll is funny, but I can save your shitty thread with this gif.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9o286IaIf1qbogk6o1_500.gif

http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq52/kabbage420/tumblr_m72ylhjZWx1qab7tso1_500.jpg

[CavaliersFTW]

No way 50-year old 'nique averaged 32PPG in the Euroleague... just no freaking way! :roll:

That's just way too embarrassing for that league if a 50-year old can do that!
That's more dominant than what peak Lebron James does in the NBA, one of the greatest athletes in history :oldlol:

[RRR3]

That's more dominant than what peak Lebron James, one of the greatest athletes in history, can in the NBA :oldlol:
Imagine what LeBron would do in euroleague:eek:




























:bowdown:

[Euroleague]

No way 50-year old 'nique averaged 32PPG in the Euroleague... just no freaking way! :roll:

That's just way too embarrassing for that league if a 50-year old can do that!

He averaged 20.1 PPG

the proof:

http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8jInH7Qj1EsyH5rjn2.teamID_1369.compID_,Uz0 2qBnJiADOq5VntEf53.season_1996.roundID_2567.player ID_19042.html

BTW, he averaged 18.2 a game in the NBA the NEXT YEAR

the proof:

http://www.nba.com/historical/playerfile/index.html?player=dominique_wilkins

[stallionaire]

lmao when a 50 year old dominates in your league, you need to shut it down.

In my mind, the Euroleague is a good development league for the NBA. We take all their best players. Dirk, Parker, Gasol brothers/Rubio, list goes on and on.

I love that the NBA is the aggregate of all the talent in the world. It's the way it should be.

NBA>NCAA>D-League>Euroleague>WNBA

[RRR3]

He averaged 20.1 PPG

the proof:

http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8jInH7Qj1EsyH5rjn2.teamID_1369.compID_,Uz0 2qBnJiADOq5VntEf53.season_1996.roundID_2567.player ID_19042.html

BTW, he averaged 18.2 a game in the NBA the NEXT YEAR

the proof:

http://www.nba.com/historical/playerfile/index.html?player=dominique_wilkins
He actually averaged 200.1 PPG in the euroleague, the euros were so butthurt they changed the stats to make it look less embarassing.


The proof: nba.com/articles/international/euroleague_admits_to_"mismanagement"_of_wilkins'_stats.html

[RRR3]

lmao when a 50 year old dominates in your league, you need to shut it down.

In my mind, the Euroleague is a good development league for the NBA. We take all their best players. Dirk, Parker, Gasol brothers/Rubio, list goes on and on.

I love that the NBA is the aggregate of all the talent in the world. It's the way it should be.

NBA>NCAA>D-League>Euroleague>WNBA
WNBA>Euroleague.

[Heavincent]

NBA>NCAA>D-League>Euroleague>WNBA

This is pretty accurate actually.

[CavaliersFTW]

WNBA>Euroleague.
I can't even imagine how dominant Brittney Griner would be in the E-League where most teams can't even dunk

http://feminema.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/brittney-griner_02.jpg

[stallionaire]

I can't even imagine how dominant Brittney Griner would be in the E-League where most teams can't even dunk

True. Britney Griner would be able to start on any Euroleague team. Forgot about her.

[RRR3]

I can't even imagine how dominant Brittney Griner would be in the E-League where most teams can't even dunk

http://feminema.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/brittney-griner_02.jpg
They offered her a contract but she just laughed:lol

[imdaman99]

They offered her a contract but she just laughed:lol
i know u all are joking, but if the euroleagues offered me a contract i would jump on it.
it has to be more than the 50k she'll prob make in the wnba :lol

[CavaliersFTW]

My vote goes to Scalabrine. Dude was basically like Bill Russell except with unlimited range over there

http://relevant.at/system/galleries/upload/2/5/0/320680/news_5342.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAsct-raysk&feature=related

[NumberSix]

D-will.

Seriously. Brian Cardinal could take a shit in the middle of a euroleague (whatever that is) court and that play alone would making him one of the all time greats.

[niko]

So we all know Anthony Parker is the undisputed Euroleague GOAT. But who's the second best?

Deron Williams: Averaged 38/12/5 on 55% shooting and won the Euroleague championship last year before returning to the NBA

50 year old Dominque Wilkins: Averaged 32/8/8 on 56% shooting and was a 5X Euroleague champion

It's either of those guys imo, but you still have guys like Andrei Kirilenko, Nenad Kristic, Brian Scalabrine, and Adam Morrison, who are also in the discussion. What do you guys think?



Source: Euroleague.net
I heard you were the MVP in 2006? True?

[niko]

True. Britney Griner would be able to start on any Euroleague team. Forgot about her.
Britney Spears could start on most Euroleague teams.

[coin24]

http://lovewomensbasketball.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/art-353-campage-liz-dunk2-300x0.jpg

Some euroleague team should sign her, would the GOAT dunker over there:oldlol:

[Collie]

Underrated choice is 47 year old Bob McAdoo, who won 6 straight Euroleague MVPs in the late 80's. Pity few people remember him there.

[CavaliersFTW]

Underrated choice is 47 year old Bob McAdoo, who won 6 straight Euroleague MVPs in the late 80's. Pity few people remember him there.
holy sh*t, tell me more :bowdown:

[Nick Young]

Probably Trajan Langdon, Bo McCalleb, or Brian Scalabrine.

Don't forget Jordan Farmar who many in Europe are calling "The Jewish Anthony Parker", and how he is winning Euroleague MVP of the week all the time.

[Nick Young]

My vote goes to Scalabrine. Dude was basically like Bill Russell except with unlimited range over there

http://relevant.at/system/galleries/upload/2/5/0/320680/news_5342.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAsct-raysk&feature=related
70% FG, 66%3FG, efficiency wise he is the GOAT

[Segatti]

Nenad Krstic is for the euroleague what Kareem was for the NBA.

[gabepizza]

He averaged 20.1 PPG

the proof:

http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8jInH7Qj1EsyH5rjn2.teamID_1369.compID_,Uz0 2qBnJiADOq5VntEf53.season_1996.roundID_2567.player ID_19042.html

BTW, he averaged 18.2 a game in the NBA the NEXT YEAR

the proof:

http://www.nba.com/historical/playerfile/index.html?player=dominique_wilkins

Remember though that Euroleague games are 8 minutes shorter so 20.1 ppg in Euroleague mean a lot more than 18.2 in the NBA.

For example in Euroleague last year the scoring leader Bo McCalebb had 17 ppg while the leading scorer of the NBA, Kevin Durant, had 28 ppg.

So as you see 20 ppg in Euroleage will make you the scoring leader while 18 ppg in the NBA wouldn't even put you in the top 30.

[maybeshewill13]

Better question, it's Euroleague.. who cares?

[SyRyanYang]

Remember though that Euroleague games are 8 minutes shorter so 20.1 ppg in Euroleague mean a lot more than 18.2 in the NBA.

For example in Euroleague last year the scoring leader Bo McCalebb had 17 ppg while the leading scorer of the NBA, Kevin Durant, had 28 ppg.

So as you see 20 ppg in Euroleage will make you the scoring leader while 18 ppg in the NBA wouldn't even put you in the top 30.
At least he didn't make up stats unlike some losers here.

[arifgokcen]

So we all know Anthony Parker is the undisputed Euroleague GOAT. But who's the second best?

Deron Williams: Averaged 38/12/5 on 55% shooting and won the Euroleague championship last year before returning to the NBA

50 year old Dominque Wilkins: Averaged 32/8/8 on 56% shooting and was a 5X Euroleague champion

It's either of those guys imo, but you still have guys like Andrei Kirilenko, Nenad Kristic, Brian Scalabrine, and Adam Morrison, who are also in the discussion. What do you guys think?



Source: Euroleague.net

Wow i know you are a troll but man oh man come on.

First of all drazen petrovic is Euroleague GOAT.

Second technically deron williams cant win euroleague championship because the team he played for didnt qualify.Instead they participated in 3rd ranked euro champion(i dont know the exact name because teams .Moreover he struggled mightily until 50+ point outburst.He was averaging less than double digits when he first came over.

Whats funny is deron didnt even wait for that 3rd ranked euro championship to finish he came back you idiot and another thing besiktas(the team he played for finished 6th his league)

50year old wilkins was watcing home games of atlanta in 2010.Wilkins only played one full season in euroleague during that span he averaged only 20ppg.This is at 36 not 50

Another thing is wilkins averaged 29.1ppg at the age of 34 so its not like he was declining that much



How can you be so ignorant


I understand you dont like euroleague but come on

[gabepizza]

Wow i know you are a troll but man oh man come on.

First of all drazen petrovic is Euroleague GOAT.

Second technically deron williams cant win euroleague championship because the team he played for didnt qualify.Instead they participated in 3rd ranked euro champion(i dont know the exact name because teams .Moreover he struggled mightily until 50+ point outburst.He was averaging less than double digits when he first came over.

Whats funny is deron didnt even wait for that 3rd ranked euro championship to finish he came back you idiot and another thing besiktas(the team he played for finished 6th his league)

50year old wilkins was watcing home games of atlanta in 2010.Wilkins only played one full season in euroleague during that span he averaged only 20ppg.This is at 36 not 50

Another thing is wilkins averaged 29.1ppg at the age of 34 so its not like he was declining that much



How can you be so ignorant


I understand you dont like euroleague but come on

D-Will was in EuroChallenge, here are his stats: http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8jInH7Qj1EsyH5rjn2.teamID_3136.compID_BYg5 Rb55Jw-G5I3MZ6JB01.season_2013.roundID_8593.playerID_4457 3.html

As you see he didn't struggle mightily before the 50 point game since it was his last Eurochallenge game and before that scored 31 and 20.

He also played in the Turkish League which had three Euroleague teams in it only one which D-Will faced when he scored 21 in a victory. Here are his stats from the Turkish league: http://www.tblstat.net/pd.asp?p=2195

So you see from the stats in the 12 games he played in Europe, only in one did he not reach double digits. Yet you claimed in your post ".Moreover he struggled mightily until 50+ point outburst.He was averaging less than double digits when he first came over."

Maybe it is you who are being ignorant.

[Grinder]

Whats funny is deron didnt even wait for that 3rd ranked euro championship to finish he came back you idiot and another thing besiktas(the team he played for finished 6th his league)
on

Don't make shit up, Besiktas won the Turkish league, Turkish Cup, and EuroChallenge last year and are playing in Euroleague this year. They had a phenomenal season.

[Nick Young]

Wow i know you are a troll but man oh man come on.

First of all drazen petrovic is Euroleague GOAT.

Second technically deron williams cant win euroleague championship because the team he played for didnt qualify.Instead they participated in 3rd ranked euro champion(i dont know the exact name because teams .Moreover he struggled mightily until 50+ point outburst.He was averaging less than double digits when he first came over.

Whats funny is deron didnt even wait for that 3rd ranked euro championship to finish he came back you idiot and another thing besiktas(the team he played for finished 6th his league)

50year old wilkins was watcing home games of atlanta in 2010.Wilkins only played one full season in euroleague during that span he averaged only 20ppg.This is at 36 not 50

Another thing is wilkins averaged 29.1ppg at the age of 34 so its not like he was declining that much



How can you be so ignorant


I understand you dont like euroleague but come on
Anthony Parker has more titles, petrovic played in a weak era where Grandpa McAdoo was carrying his team on his back to titles, GTFO

[jbryan1984]

Well, he is 52 now. So this was two years ago?

[Optimus Prime]

The criteria for Euroleague GOAT status is indeed high. Basically if you can dunk you are instantly in the GOAT conversation. Obviously not many Euroleague players can measure up to these lofty standards.

:kobe:

[Figlo]

predictable thread...nothing to see here

[Fiba basketball]

Don't make shit up, Besiktas won the Turkish league, Turkish Cup, and EuroChallenge last year and are playing in Euroleague this year. They had a phenomenal season.
I think they weren't first in regular season but they played very good in playoffs so they won the league , or they were 1st in regular season too ? Besiktas doesn't look good this season , I think they will be last in their group in Euroleague .

[Euroleague]

Remember though that Euroleague games are 8 minutes shorter so 20.1 ppg in Euroleague mean a lot more than 18.2 in the NBA.

For example in Euroleague last year the scoring leader Bo McCalebb had 17 ppg while the leading scorer of the NBA, Kevin Durant, had 28 ppg.

So as you see 20 ppg in Euroleage will make you the scoring leader while 18 ppg in the NBA wouldn't even put you in the top 30.


Remember that Wilkins played more minutes per game in Euroleague than he did in the NBA.




Dominique Wilkins

1996-97 NBA season: 30.9 minutes per game - 18.2 points per game

http://www.nba.com/historical/playerfile/index.html?player=dominique_wilkins


1995-96 Euroleague season: 33.2 minutes per game - 20.1 points per game

http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8jInH7Qj1EsyH5rjn2.teamID_1369.compID_,Uz0 2qBnJiADOq5VntEf53.season_1996.roundID_2567.player ID_19042.html


You are the single biggest idiot to ever post in this forum, because unlike these other clowns who are just trolling and joking and know they are lying and making stuff up.....you actually believe the delusional fantasy lies that you are posting - which is a bit scary.


Euroleague scoring leaders 1995-96 season:

http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8jInH7Qj1EsyH5rjn2.pageID_nDLeLSHSJi6vhXQG NBzUg2.compID_,Uz02qBnJiADOq5VntEf53.season_1996.r oundID_2567.html

1. Arlauckas, J. 26.4
2. Dawson, A. 24.8
3. Komazec, A. 24.0
4. Williams, H. 22.0
5. White, T. 22.0
6. Rigaudeau, A. 21.6
7. Karnisovas, A. 20.7
8. Wilkins, J. 20.1
9. Rivers, D. 19.6
10. Shackleford, C. 19.5
11. Woolridge, O. 19.4
12. McDaniel, X. 18.4
13. Savic, Z. 18.3
14. Santos, C. 18.2
15. Godfread, D. 17.8
16. Ansley, M. 17.4
17. Karasev, V. 17.3
18. Ene, O. 16.7
19. Rebraca, Z. 16.2
20. Ekonomou, N. 16.1

He was 8th in the league in scoring, he didn't lead it as you false implied.

[Euroleague]

D-Will was in EuroChallenge, here are his stats: http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8jInH7Qj1EsyH5rjn2.teamID_3136.compID_BYg5 Rb55Jw-G5I3MZ6JB01.season_2013.roundID_8593.playerID_4457 3.html

As you see he didn't struggle mightily before the 50 point game since it was his last Eurochallenge game and before that scored 31 and 20.

He also played in the Turkish League which had three Euroleague teams in it only one which D-Will faced when he scored 21 in a victory. Here are his stats from the Turkish league: http://www.tblstat.net/pd.asp?p=2195

So you see from the stats in the 12 games he played in Europe, only in one did he not reach double digits. Yet you claimed in your post ".Moreover he struggled mightily until 50+ point outburst.He was averaging less than double digits when he first came over."

Maybe it is you who are being ignorant.


The Eurochallenge consists of teams from semi pro and even some amateur leagues. It also consists of teams from pro leagues (only SECOND division teams), sprinkled in with a few pro level teams from the most crap pro leagues in Europe like France.

The Eurochallenge level is so low, that you could take the 3rd, 2nd, 1st worst teams from the Spanish League, Italian League, Greek League and any one of them from any season could probably make the semifinals of EuroChallenge.

EuroChallenge is one of the worst leagues in all of Europe. If I were you I would just totally never even mention that Williams even played in that league where even some AMATEUR teams participate, where all the players work full time jobs beside playing for their club team.

Wow, amazing he scored 50 at the level of something like a 12-15 best league in Europe. How much crack do you smoke in a day?

Turkish league is a decent European league, maybe 5-10 best range in Europe. But EuroChallenge? Are you kidding me?

Is this guy serious?

[Euroleague]

Don't make shit up, Besiktas won the Turkish league, Turkish Cup, and EuroChallenge last year and are playing in Euroleague this year. They had a phenomenal season.

All of it WITHOUT Deron Williams, as they got exponentially better after they replaced him with Carlos Arroyo.

With Deron Williams they lost and were eliminated from Eurocup qualification by a mid level team from the Belgian League with a total budget of 1/4 of the Besiktas budget.

Without Deron Williams, they won Turkish Cup, Turkish League, and EuroChallenge, with Arroyo playing point guard.

Since you are so interested in keeping the discussion to the truth.

[Euroleague]

I think they weren't first in regular season but they played very good in playoffs so they won the league , or they were 1st in regular season too ? Besiktas doesn't look good this season , I think they will be last in their group in Euroleague .

Every title he mentioned was won with Carlos Arroyo playing point and Deron Williams being on the Nets.

[gabepizza]

Remember that Wilkins played more minutes per game in Euroleague than he did in the NBA.




Dominique Wilkins

1996-97 NBA season: 30.9 minutes per game - 18.2 points per game

http://www.nba.com/historical/playerfile/index.html?player=dominique_wilkins


1995-96 Euroleague season: 33.2 minutes per game - 20.1 points per game

http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8jInH7Qj1EsyH5rjn2.teamID_1369.compID_,Uz0 2qBnJiADOq5VntEf53.season_1996.roundID_2567.player ID_19042.html


You are the single biggest idiot to ever post in this forum, because unlike these other clowns who are just trolling and joking and know they are lying and making stuff up.....you actually believe the delusional fantasy lies that you are posting - which is a bit scary.


Euroleague scoring leaders 1995-96 season:

http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8jInH7Qj1EsyH5rjn2.pageID_nDLeLSHSJi6vhXQG NBzUg2.compID_,Uz02qBnJiADOq5VntEf53.season_1996.r oundID_2567.html

1. Arlauckas, J. 26.4
2. Dawson, A. 24.8
3. Komazec, A. 24.0
4. Williams, H. 22.0
5. White, T. 22.0
6. Rigaudeau, A. 21.6
7. Karnisovas, A. 20.7
8. Wilkins, J. 20.1
9. Rivers, D. 19.6
10. Shackleford, C. 19.5
11. Woolridge, O. 19.4
12. McDaniel, X. 18.4
13. Savic, Z. 18.3
14. Santos, C. 18.2
15. Godfread, D. 17.8
16. Ansley, M. 17.4
17. Karasev, V. 17.3
18. Ene, O. 16.7
19. Rebraca, Z. 16.2
20. Ekonomou, N. 16.1

He was 8th in the league in scoring, he didn't lead it as you false implied.


I didn't imply he has leading the league is scoring. I didn't look up the scoring in Euroleague in 1995-1996. I was saying that last year someone with 20 points would be leading the league in scoring. And are we even having this conversation, When Wilkins came to Euroleague he was the Final Four MVP not to mention the Greek Cup MVP. In the NBA he never won a championship and he comes over in Euroleague for one year and wins the Final Four MVP.

[gabepizza]

The Eurochallenge consists of teams from semi pro and even some amateur leagues. It also consists of teams from pro leagues (only SECOND division teams), sprinkled in with a few pro level teams from the most crap pro leagues in Europe like France.

The Eurochallenge level is so low, that you could take the 3rd, 2nd, 1st worst teams from the Spanish League, Italian League, Greek League and any one of them from any season could probably make the semifinals of EuroChallenge.

EuroChallenge is one of the worst leagues in all of Europe. If I were you I would just totally never even mention that Williams even played in that league where even some AMATEUR teams participate, where all the players work full time jobs beside playing for their club team.

Wow, amazing he scored 50 at the level of something like a 12-15 best league in Europe. How much crack do you smoke in a day?

Turkish league is a decent European league, maybe 5-10 best range in Europe. But EuroChallenge? Are you kidding me?

Is this guy serious?

I am serious. I was showing that this guy lying when he said the Deron Williams was struggling and averaging single digits before he had the 50 point game which was a lie. And the Turkish league is a decent league that retired William's Jersey after playing like 10 games for the team. That's how dominate he was. He got his freaking jersey retired playing on like 10 games.

[gabepizza]

All of it WITHOUT Deron Williams, as they got exponentially better after they replaced him with Carlos Arroyo.

With Deron Williams they lost and were eliminated from Eurocup qualification by a mid level team from the Belgian League with a total budget of 1/4 of the Besiktas budget.

Without Deron Williams, they won Turkish Cup, Turkish League, and EuroChallenge, with Arroyo playing point guard.

Since you are so interested in keeping the discussion to the truth.

I don't know how they could of played that much better without him. The game you mentioned was when he 1st got there and wasn't in shape. Once the real season started he only lost one game. So they got exponentially better without him?! The retired his jersey! Retired his jersey!! You know how much appreciation and respect it shows for a team to retire a jersey! And he played for half a season if that. So it is obvious that the Turkish fans and team and media were grateful to have a superstars services for a few games that they RETIRED HIS FREAKING JERSEY!

So who cares what a delusional loser like you thinks. And by the way...
NIGERIA!!!

[Fiba basketball]

I don't know how they could of played that much better without him. The game you mentioned was when he 1st got there and wasn't in shape. Once the real season started he only lost one game. So they got exponentially better without him?! The retired his jersey! Retired his jersey!! You know how much appreciation and respect it shows for a team to retire a jersey! And he played for half a season if that. So it is obvious that the Turkish fans and team and media were grateful to have a superstars services for a few games that they RETIRED HIS FREAKING JERSEY!

So who cares what a delusional loser like you thinks. And by the way...
NIGERIA!!!
Actually fans didn't agree with retiering his jersey , that was idea of club menagment and belive me that everyone was making fun of them because of that .

[Euroleague]

I didn't imply he has leading the league is scoring. I didn't look up the scoring in Euroleague in 1995-1996. I was saying that last year someone with 20 points would be leading the league in scoring. And are we even having this conversation, When Wilkins came to Euroleague he was the Final Four MVP not to mention the Greek Cup MVP. In the NBA he never won a championship and he comes over in Euroleague for one year and wins the Final Four MVP.

Yeah and the same year he was in Greece, his team lost the Greek title, as they got beat by Olympiacos, and guess what else? He wasn't the Greek league MVP. A guy named Giorgos Sigalas was the Greek league MVP.

So what the hell is your point?

That Wilkins was not on the best team in the Greek League that year?

That Wilkins was not the best player in the Greek League that year?


And Wilkins didn't play one year of Euroleague. He played two years of Euroleague. Another distortion by you. Also, you make it sound like he just arrived to a crap team and led them to a title.

1. Panathinaikos was one of the 2-3 best teams in Europe BEFORE he got there.

2. Panathinaikos has Vrankovic, Oikonomou, Giannakis, Alvertis...some of the best players in Europe at the time, on the team besides Wilkins.

3. The title they won over Barca is the most controversial and infamous and disputed one in Euroleague history, and the only one in history where the Euroleague later admitted the refs made a mistake and that the winning team should not have actually won the game.



Carry on with your false and fake revisionist history................

[Euroleague]

I am serious. I was showing that this guy lying when he said the Deron Williams was struggling and averaging single digits before he had the 50 point game which was a lie. And the Turkish league is a decent league that retired William's Jersey after playing like 10 games for the team. That's how dominate he was. He got his freaking jersey retired playing on like 10 games.


Yet ANOTHER LIE from you. The Turkish League did NOT retire his jersey.

[Euroleague]

Actually fans didn't agree with retiering his jersey , that was idea of club menagment and belive me that everyone was making fun of them because of that .

Have you finally started to realize how delusional this gabepizza guy is? He actually believes this completely absurd bullshit he's claiming here.

Never mind that the whole of European basketball fans was laughing, making fun of, and criticizing them when they retired that jersey.

He doesn't even grasp that is was a publicity stunt, and even many people claim Williams paid them $200,000 cash to do it and that his agency setup the whole thing.

But yeah, this completely delusional moron actually think it's because he "dominated the whole league like no other player in history in just 10 games".

And that "all the fans in Europe were mesmerized by him and his greatness".

I hope you are starting to see now how nuts this gabepizza guy is. Unlike the other clowns here that are just trolling - this guy actually BELIEVES this stuff.

[arifgokcen]

D-Will was in EuroChallenge, here are his stats: http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8jInH7Qj1EsyH5rjn2.teamID_3136.compID_BYg5 Rb55Jw-G5I3MZ6JB01.season_2013.roundID_8593.playerID_4457 3.html

As you see he didn't struggle mightily before the 50 point game since it was his last Eurochallenge game and before that scored 31 and 20.

He also played in the Turkish League which had three Euroleague teams in it only one which D-Will faced when he scored 21 in a victory. Here are his stats from the Turkish league: http://www.tblstat.net/pd.asp?p=2195

So you see from the stats in the 12 games he played in Europe, only in one did he not reach double digits. Yet you claimed in your post ".Moreover he struggled mightily until 50+ point outburst.He was averaging less than double digits when he first came over."

Maybe it is you who are being ignorant.

Dude you really claim you know better than me.

First of all let me say this why i know so much about Besiktas and Deron williams career during his time in turkey.Because i live in turkey and i am big besiktas fan here.

You think against such inferior opponents Dexia Leiden or G

[TheBigVeto]

If Michael Jordan had played in Euroleague, it would be him.

[atljonesbro]

You guys think i could be top 10 all time in euroleague? I played for the JV team in highschool. That should be enough to get me an instant starting role to get me started off.

[Rooster]

[QUOTE=arifgokcen]Dude you really claim you know better than me.

First of all let me say this why i know so much about Besiktas and Deron williams career during his time in turkey.Because i live in turkey and i am big besiktas fan here.

You think against such inferior opponents Dexia Leiden or G

[arifgokcen]

Stop lying. Turkish was about to issue him a Turkish passport with a Turkish name.

Last never : Ever
First name : Greatest.

You know this how exactly please enlighten me.

Please any source would suffice.Actually if you can find a link in Turkish that somehow makes you think what you said is true.I would translate it for you.

So stop the bullsh.i.t.

Moreover,you werent even part of this discussion

The owner of this thread and gabepizza were the intended targets in my post.

Finally dont come out with these weak arguments.You just embarrass yourself.

Man oh man i really dont understand what kind of logic some of these poster have.Even my nephew 3-4 years old would be better suited to give some kind of logical answer than some of the posters here.

[gabepizza]

Have you finally started to realize how delusional this gabepizza guy is? He actually believes this completely absurd bullshit he's claiming here.

Never mind that the whole of European basketball fans was laughing, making fun of, and criticizing them when they retired that jersey.

He doesn't even grasp that is was a publicity stunt, and even many people claim Williams paid them $200,000 cash to do it and that his agency setup the whole thing.

But yeah, this completely delusional moron actually think it's because he "dominated the whole league like no other player in history in just 10 games".

And that "all the fans in Europe were mesmerized by him and his greatness".

I hope you are starting to see now how nuts this gabepizza guy is. Unlike the other clowns here that are just trolling - this guy actually BELIEVES this stuff.

Again whatever with the bullshit you come up with. Unless you give links it is just bullshit. Some facts:

1. Besiktas retired D-Will's Jersey after half a season.
2. Wilkins was the Euroleague Final Four MVP

You can argue back and forth all you want. Those two things are facts and can never be disputed and will be facts forever.

[gabepizza]

Actually fans didn't agree with retiering his jersey , that was idea of club menagment and belive me that everyone was making fun of them because of that .

Okay yes. Obviously it is always the club's management to retire a player's jersey. You can make unsubstancial claims that everyone was making fun of it although I have heard from many Turkish Fans they loved him.

But the only thing that matters is that after playing like 8 games for Besiktas D-Will's number will never be worn by another Besiktas player and his jersey will be forever hung in the rafters. Quite an honor for eight games.

[Euroleague]

Okay yes. Obviously it is always the club's management to retire a player's jersey. You can make unsubstancial claims that everyone was making fun of it although I have heard from many Turkish Fans they loved him.

But the only thing that matters is that after playing like 8 games for Besiktas D-Will's number will never be worn by another Besiktas player and his jersey will be forever hung in the rafters. Quite an honor for eight games.

Deron Williams paid $200,000 to the team for them to retire the jersey. If you don't want to come off as an ignorant jackass, stop making up things like "what an honor" for something he PAID FOR.

[Euroleague]

Again whatever with the bullshit you come up with. Unless you give links it is just bullshit. Some facts:

1. Besiktas retired D-Will's Jersey after half a season.
2. Wilkins was the Euroleague Final Four MVP

You can argue back and forth all you want. Those two things are facts and can never be disputed and will be facts forever.

So if winning the league title and MVP makes you the best player (your obvious argument here) then as I said, Wilkins wasn't the best player in Greece.

Since his team didn't win the Greek title and he didn't win the Greek MVP award.

[Euroleague]

If Michael Jordan had played in Euroleague, it would be him.

After who?

Drazen?

Galis?

Dalipagic?

?

[AlonzoGOAT]

After who?

Drazen?

Galis?

Dalipagic?

?
Anthony Parker

[MetsPackers]

As ISH's resident #1 Euroleague fan, I can confirm some people's assumptions that Deron Williams is the second best to ever play in the Euroleague. Ignoring his GOAT euroleague statline, you can still see his impact on games and how he dominated the game like only one other has in EL history! (Anthony Parker)

Thats why we Euroleague fans truly appreciate the fact that we get to see such fantastic American talent that we may have never seen otherwise! As a European myself, all I have to say is THANK YOU AMERICA! :bowdown:

:bowdown: GOAT country

1. Anthony Parker
2. Deron Williams
3. Jordan Farmar
4. Nenad Kristic
5. Hilton Armstrong

[gabepizza]

Deron Williams paid $200,000 to the team for them to retire the jersey. If you don't want to come off as an ignorant jackass, stop making up things like "what an honor" for something he PAID FOR.


Bullshit! Show a link that says that Williams paid $200,000 or else it's just bullshit. Talking about making things up. No player has ever paid to have his jersey retired. That is the biggest crock of shit I have ever heard.

You just can't stand that an NBA played half a season in Europe and got his jersey retired. Well it happened and unless you can show any evidence that Williams paid for it, which is the most absurd claim I have ever heard, than you are all bullshit.

[gabepizza]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DnEXB132Nk&feature=player_embedded

[BlueandGold]

He averaged 20.1 PPG

the proof:

http://www.fibaeurope.com/cid_KNce8jInH7Qj1EsyH5rjn2.teamID_1369.compID_,Uz0 2qBnJiADOq5VntEf53.season_1996.roundID_2567.player ID_19042.html

BTW, he averaged 18.2 a game in the NBA the NEXT YEAR

the proof:

http://www.nba.com/historical/playerfile/index.html?player=dominique_wilkins

How is this proof? It says Dominique played 77 games in 95 and then 66 in 96. How did he play 77 games in the NBA and also in the Euroleague that year?

Also he wasn't anywhere near 50 :facepalm.. he was barely 40.

BTW Euroleague.. did you ever post a link/proof about your claim that Prohokov (sp?) bribed a bunch of refs in some russian league?

[Euroleague]

Bullshit! Show a link that says that Williams paid $200,000 or else it's just bullshit. Talking about making things up. No player has ever paid to have his jersey retired. That is the biggest crock of shit I have ever heard.

You just can't stand that an NBA played half a season in Europe and got his jersey retired. Well it happened and unless you can show any evidence that Williams paid for it, which is the most absurd claim I have ever heard, than you are all bullshit.

When they announced his jersey being retired they asked him about the $200,000 he waived and gave back to the team for retiring his jersey and he said it was worth it.

You are just trolling, because you are making up your OWN version of historical events.

[Euroleague]

How is this proof? It says Dominique played 77 games in 95 and then 66 in 96. How did he play 77 games in the NBA and also in the Euroleague that year?

Also he wasn't anywhere near 50 :facepalm.. he was barely 40.

BTW Euroleague.. did you ever post a link/proof about your claim that Prohokov (sp?) bribed a bunch of refs in some russian league?

Wow, idiot post of the year award material.............

[gabepizza]

When they announced his jersey being retired they asked him about the $200,000 he waived and gave back to the team for retiring his jersey and he said it was worth it.

You are just trolling, because you are making up your OWN version of historical events.


Again bullshit. Show a link or it is just bullshit.

I could just as well claim that Deron Williams grew wings and flew back across the Atlantic and if you call me on my bullshit, I'll respond with "You are just trolling, because you are making up your OWN version of historical events."

You see you claimed some bullshit. I called you on your bullshit and you didn't respond with any proof, just more bullshit. I posted the video of D-Will getting his jersey retired after a month and half. Show me a link or a video or anything that implies that D-Will waived the $200,000 for retiring his jersey and I'll believe you.

If not what you say is just bullshit. You might as well claim that after the ceremony he turned into a frog and hopped away. That's as believable as your claim that he paid to have his jersey retired.

It's fun making stuff up isn't it? Do you know that Spanoulis paid Euroleague $200,000 to fix the Euroleague final and name him Final Four MVP. I don't have any link or proof to back-up this absurd claim but if you claim it is not true than you are just trolling, because you are making up your OWN version of historical events.

[gabepizza]

Man this Euroleague guy is really delusional. Do you think he really believe his fantasies or is he just trolling? He minds me of the Romney campaign saying We're not going let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers.

Well this poster Euroleague is not going to let facts get in the way of his delusions. He is just going to make up absurd fantasies in his mind and never back it up with any links. I see why he has become a running gag of this forum.

The sad thing is the Euroleague is not such a bad league and should get more respect from American posters. The thing is that Euroleague's posts are so absurd and over the top that the topic of Euroleague has become a joke. Honest Europeans and people who want to discuss the league are not able to because of one delusional troll who has made the league a joke on this forum.

It's funny, poor poster Euroleague wants Euroleague to have more respect with NBA fans but with his delusional rants and obvious lies he actually is hurting the image of Euroleague by making more of a joke and ruining the chance of sane Euroleague fans to have a discussion.

[Euroleague]

Again bullshit. Show a link or it is just bullshit.

I could just as well claim that Deron Williams grew wings and flew back across the Atlantic and if you call me on my bullshit, I'll respond with "You are just trolling, because you are making up your OWN version of historical events."

You see you claimed some bullshit. I called you on your bullshit and you didn't respond with any proof, just more bullshit. I posted the video of D-Will getting his jersey retired after a month and half. Show me a link or a video or anything that implies that D-Will waived the $200,000 for retiring his jersey and I'll believe you.

If not what you say is just bullshit. You might as well claim that after the ceremony he turned into a frog and hopped away. That's as believable as your claim that he paid to have his jersey retired.

It's fun making stuff up isn't it? Do you know that Spanoulis paid Euroleague $200,000 to fix the Euroleague final and name him Final Four MVP. I don't have any link or proof to back-up this absurd claim but if you claim it is not true than you are just trolling, because you are making up your OWN version of historical events.

You are the one posting delusional bullshit and lies. Like how you keep lying that Williams got his number retired due to how he played in 12 games or whatever. LIE.

I am simply stating the truth and facts, that he paid the team $200,000 to retire it.

Just because it pisses you off does not make it untrue. You ran your mouth off about something you didn't know about, and you owned yourself on it. Just deal with it and STFU.

[Euroleague]

Man this Euroleague guy is really delusional. Do you think he really believe his fantasies or is he just trolling? He minds me of the Romney campaign saying We're not going let our campaign be dictated by fact-checkers.

Well this poster Euroleague is not going to let facts get in the way of his delusions. He is just going to make up absurd fantasies in his mind and never back it up with any links. I see why he has become a running gag of this forum.

The sad thing is the Euroleague is not such a bad league and should get more respect from American posters. The thing is that Euroleague's posts are so absurd and over the top that the topic of Euroleague has become a joke. Honest Europeans and people who want to discuss the league are not able to because of one delusional troll who has made the league a joke on this forum.

It's funny, poor poster Euroleague wants Euroleague to have more respect with NBA fans but with his delusional rants and obvious lies he actually is hurting the image of Euroleague by making more of a joke and ruining the chance of sane Euroleague fans to have a discussion.

It's funny that you would actually think that black Afro supremacists would ever in a million years give the Euroleague any credibility.

[gabepizza]

You are the one posting delusional bullshit and lies. Like how you keep lying that Williams got his number retired due to how he played in 12 games or whatever. LIE.

I am simply stating the truth and facts, that he paid the team $200,000 to retire it.

Just because it pisses you off does not make it untrue. You ran your mouth off about something you didn't know about, and you owned yourself on it. Just deal with it and STFU.


I am lying about him getting his numbered retired? Here are two links, one from ESPN saying his jersey was retired and the other from yahoo sports saying how he got his jersey retired after 15 games and showing a video of it and commenting: "Nevertheless, it seems as if the club honored and appreciated Williams' service quite a bit. He must have had quite an effect on everyone during his short time in the country."

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7295220/besiktas-retires-deron-williams-jersey

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/besiktas-retired-deron-wiliamss-jersey-after-15-games?urn=nba,wp11089

Now I backed up what I said with links to prove what I said was facts. Now let's see if you can back up your "truth and facts" that he paid $200,000 to have his jersey retired. I'm still waiting.

[Money 23]

After who?

Drazen?

Galis?

Dalipagic?

?
LOL ... you serious?

:oldlol:

[Rooster]

As ISH's resident #1 Euroleague fan, I can confirm some people's assumptions that Deron Williams is the second best to ever play in the Euroleague. Ignoring his GOAT euroleague statline, you can still see his impact on games and how he dominated the game like only one other has in EL history! (Anthony Parker)

Thats why we Euroleague fans truly appreciate the fact that we get to see such fantastic American talent that we may have never seen otherwise! As a European myself, all I have to say is THANK YOU AMERICA! :bowdown:

:bowdown: GOAT country

1. Anthony Parker
2. Deron Williams
3. Jordan Farmar
4. Nenad Kristic
5. Hilton Armstrong


Funny things is there are more Americans named to all Euroleague team than any country .:roll:

Also more AMERICANS named to 35 greatest Euroleague players.:oldlol:

And most of them are scrubs, NBA rejects and trash and zombies.:roll: :roll:

Sh1tty league indeed.:coleman: