Arnold Schwarzenegger praising Wilt's strength on bs report

[tommyhtc]

I'm not sure whether this has been posted yet,
but I came across this today,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzIu7o5NH1k&feature=player_embedded#!

Arnold was praising wilt's strength, do you guys know what type of tricep extension he is talking about? because 120 pounds don't seem too heavy if we can do it with both hands...

[plowking]

I'm not sure whether this has been posted yet,
but I came across this today,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzIu7o5NH1k&feature=player_embedded#!

Arnold was praising wilt's strength, do you guys know what type of tricep extension he is talking about? because 120 pounds don't seem too heavy if we can do it with both hands...

Arnold was a body builder, not a power lifter. He used 120lbs with maximum stretch and contraction at each phase of the lift to get maximum pump and muscle growth. Bodybuilders in general don't lift their heaviest on isolation exercises.

[tommyhtc]

Arnold was a body builder, not a power lifter. He used 120lbs with maximum stretch and contraction at each phase of the lift to get maximum pump and muscle growth. Bodybuilders in general don't lift their heaviest on isolation exercises.
is arnold talking about this type of extension?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tm_swOGaJo

[inclinerator]

i think its this one
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_231/1201722166y8f8sp.jpg

because ive seen plenty of vids of bodybuilders doing way more on the machine

[tommyhtc]

i think its this one
http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_231/1201722166y8f8sp.jpg
now that's much harder to do... but it seems that he is showing a gesture of pushing downwards, so it may be the one that I posted...

[Swaggin916]

Dude that's not double pulley cable those were the single pulley... I used to do 60 pounds or so for like 12-15 reps (70 I would always struggle with form even though I could do almost the same amount of reps but for is more important on isolation) and I was a big dude I could bench press about 325 pounds... so to be doing 150 pounds is unreal.

[tommyhtc]

Dude that's not double pulley cable those were the single pulley... I used to do 60 pounds or so for like 12-15 reps (70 I would always struggle with form even though I could do almost the same amount of reps but for is more important on isolation) and I was a big dude I could bench press about 325 pounds... so to be doing 150 pounds is unreal.
yeah I'll go to the gym tomorrow and look for a single pulley one..just to make sure..

[dunksby]

Dude that's not double pulley cable those were the single pulley... I used to do 60 pounds or so for like 12-15 reps (70 I would always struggle with form even though I could do almost the same amount of reps but for is more important on isolation) and I was a big dude I could bench press about 325 pounds... so to be doing 150 pounds is unreal.
I think he is talking about this exercise, I have not seen the single pulley one tbh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvvMqxGdJY0

[Kblaze8855]

Arnold....this guy:

http://www.topin24.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-Pictures-2.jpg


Marvels at wilts strength.

19 year olds on the internet think such people are what...lying?

[BuffaloBill]

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/uploads/JoeHollon/2011-04-29_041038_WiltAndreArnold.jpg


Arnold is a big dude, but Andre and Wilt make him look like a fly.

[crisoner]

http://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/uploads/JoeHollon/2011-04-29_041038_WiltAndreArnold.jpg


Arnold is a big dude, but Andre and Wilt make him look like a fly.

No he isn't....Arnold is only 5'10.

I'm 6'2 and was shocked how short he was when I met him in person.

[crisoner]

I checked in on Google and there are mixed reports about his height. Some say 6'2. But I call bullsh*t because I was looking down at him.

[tommyhtc]

I checked in on Google and there are mixed reports about his height. Some say 6'2. But I call bullsh*t because I was looking down at him.
angle? footwear?

from past experiences on examining heights of different celebrities, I can say arnold is at least 6'1

check out this site and take a look at the arguments and evidence presented

http://www.celebheights.com/s/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-177.html


edit: and even if he is not 6'2 or 6'1, that doesn't make him a smaller person..he is still a massive body builder that has arms triple the size of average joes.

[eliteballer]

That photo makes the size difference seem greater than it is.

http://theselvedgeyard.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/0_3399c_221fc219_xl.jpg

[tommyhtc]

That photo makes the size difference seem greater than it is.

http://theselvedgeyard.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/0_3399c_221fc219_xl.jpg
not trying to defend wilt's height here, but in your picture, not only is wilt standing barefooted, but arnold is also standing on the upper part of the slope. so I think your photo is less accurate than the photo posted before.

[eliteballer]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/ziMh7yRXtoa9kjgvCUSJwL0yo1_500.jpg

http://i2.listal.com/image/2993106/500full.jpg

[DatAsh]

Arnold....this guy:

http://www.topin24.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Arnold-Schwarzenegger-Pictures-2.jpg


Marvels at wilts strength.

19 year olds on the internet think such people are what...lying?

The more I've come to learn about Wilt, the more truth I've come to see in him supposedly being the strongest player to ever play.

[SyRyanYang]

Arnold was a body builder, not a power lifter. He used 120lbs with maximum stretch and contraction at each phase of the lift to get maximum pump and muscle growth. Bodybuilders in general don't lift their heaviest on isolation exercises.
Fact: Top bodybuilders are much more stronger than any basketball player.

[bagelred]

Arnold SchwarzeAfricanAmerican

[DatAsh]

Fact: Top bodybuilders are much more stronger than any basketball player.

Pretty much

[plowking]

Fact: Top bodybuilders are much more stronger than any basketball player.

And? What exactly are you replying to in my post?

[jstern]

Arnold was a body builder, not a power lifter. He used 120lbs with maximum stretch and contraction at each phase of the lift to get maximum pump and muscle growth. Bodybuilders in general don't lift their heaviest on isolation exercises.

I imagine it would be harder though for people with longer arms though. Either way, must have been elite strong.

[lilgodfather1]

Depending on the exercise that's not much at all, or it is an elite level of weight. If it is tricep extensions with a triangular bar then I would say the average male can likely do at least what Wilt could... If it is a french curl then it is a pretty elite level of strength. If it is a single handed extension that it is god damned elite depending on the pulley system (the more pulleys = less weight actually being pushed/pulled)

On to the rope extensions well that exercise like the extensions with the triangular bars it is an easy exercise that most men could do at that weight.

The only other tricep exercises that I can think of with weight would be dips with plates tied on to you, or bench dips with weights on your lap. Maybe Arnold meant close grip bench press which is a tricep exercise.

[lilgodfather1]

Arnold was a body builder, not a power lifter. He used 120lbs with maximum stretch and contraction at each phase of the lift to get maximum pump and muscle growth. Bodybuilders in general don't lift their heaviest on isolation exercises.
Do you know how to build muscle? I have a feeling you are doing it in an ineffective way if you think that is how body builders build their muscles.

[plowking]

I imagine it would be harder though for people with longer arms though. Either way, must have been elite strong.

Depends what exercises. For most bicep exercises it helps to have longer arms due to leverage. Same with something like deadlifts. You don't have to lift the weight as far off the ground if your arms are longer. Just depends.

Most of the ego lifts, like bench, it is a disadvantage to have longer limbs.

[plowking]

Do you know how to build muscle? I have a feeling you are doing it in an ineffective way if you think that is how body builders build their muscles.

:oldlol:

Yes, I do. I've watched enough videos and talked to enough of some of Australia's best bodybuilders to know.

I used to train for power my first 2 years in the gym, and I was at most about 240lbs at 6'3. The last 2.5 years I'm down to 210lbs and really focusing on just looking as lean and big as possible instead of for sport and power. I look bigger now at 210lbs than I did at 240lbs.

I've seen some of Australia's and videos of America's best bodybuilders curling 22lbs to 30lbs dumbbells. They don't go heavy on isolation exercises. Its all about stretch and contraction with the weight, not so much the weight itself. They aren't powerlifters. They aren't competing for strength.

[Colbertnation64]

Damn.... Wilt was a stronger mother****er.

[jongib369]

Wish he would of asked him about his bench!!! but this is a good peak into how strong Dip actually was....It HAS to be the 1 pully tricep extention or something equally as difficult...If Arnold had just said wilt did that weight WITHOUT making the comparison to what the bigger guys in the gym did it would of made this unclear...but he did do a decent amount more than the bigger guys were doing so :applause:

glad to see there very well could be some truth to his bench claims.


I'd post the link but have no idea where I found it...but it was a link to a old newspaper article with RED AURBACH claiming that Wilts Max bench his rookie year was around 365-385 (I don't remember the exact number)...and to be honest it might not of been his max but rather what he was able to rep...anyways if it was the former, I see no reason being so close to 400, and weighing around 250 his rookie year...that he wouldn't of been able to get it to at least 430+ by the time he was 320 LBS in his PRIME....Cavsftw knows the exacts on that...he's the measurement guru


Dwight howard (youngISH) benching making the weight look like a damn matchstick (He adds weight overtime in the video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lek3aSbUsUM

[plowking]

Wish he would of asked him about his bench!!! but this is a good peak into how strong Dip actually was....It HAS to be the 1 pully tricep extention or something equally as difficult...If Arnold had just said wilt did that weight WITHOUT making the comparison to what the bigger guys in the gym did it would of made this unclear...but he did do a decent amount more than the bigger guys were doing so :applause:

glad to see there very well could be some truth to his bench claims.


I'd post the link but have no idea where I found it...but it was a link to a old newspaper article with RED AURBACH claiming that Wilts Max bench his rookie year was around 365-385 (I don't remember the exact number)...and to be honest it might not of been his max but rather what he was able to rep...anyways if it was the former, I see no reason being so close to 400, and weighing around 250 his rookie year...that he wouldn't of been able to get it to at least 430+ by the time he was 320 LBS in his PRIME....Cavsftw knows the exacts on that...he's the measurement guru


Dwight howard (youngISH) benching making the weight look like a damn matchstick (He adds weight overtime in the video)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lek3aSbUsUM

First off, you do realize those aren't 45lbs plates in Dwight's video?

Secondly, a big LOL at Wilt benching anywhere above 300lbs for reps during his rookie year.

Thirdly, Arnold was in a gym full of bodybuilders. Far different from what Wilt was trying to achieve with his lifting.

[jongib369]

First off, you do realize those aren't 45lbs plates in Dwight's video?

Secondly, a big LOL at Wilt benching anywhere above 300lbs for reps during his rookie year.

Thirdly, Arnold was in a gym full of bodybuilders. Far different from what Wilt was trying to achieve with his lifting.
1. Are you 100% sure? before I fractured my sternum I used 45's that looked a lot like those...Same exact size (But I do know the size your talking about)

2. I guess Red Aurbach and a host of others are just lying about how strong he is? LOL Shaq can bench 450 when he was younger and not a giant mass of fat and muscile... but Chamberlain when he was 320 couldn't come close to even 300+ after years of training and gradual increases?

http://img1.etsystatic.com/il_570xN.256357125.jpg


3. How do you know it was a gym full of bodybuilders? (Unless I missed he said that) Just because Arnold was there doesnt mean there wasnt power lifters there also...Ronnie Coleman goes to the YMCA I go to a lot when he is in the area...I've seen powerlifters there...Or am I pulling shit out of my ass?

W/e you say Mr. Omnipotent ISH poster :bowdown:

[jongib369]

First off, you do realize those aren't 45lbs plates in Dwight's video?

Secondly, a big LOL at Wilt benching anywhere above 300lbs for reps during his rookie year.

Thirdly, Arnold was in a gym full of bodybuilders. Far different from what Wilt was trying to achieve with his lifting.
Misread what you said about his bench...why would the newspaper article/Red Aurbach be quoted as saying such? honest question

[plowking]

Misread what you said about his bench...why would the newspaper article/Red Aurbach be quoted as saying such? honest question

Have you heard of over exaggeration?
Was it Larry Brown talking about how Wilt came to play Magic and a few of the other current Laker guys at the time? He went on to say that Wilt blocked every shot that game. Do you actually believe Wilt blocked every shot? Every single one?

I've heard stories about people hyping up Terry Crews, that even Terry Crews believed his own hype. Then Jamie Foxx called him out on it and told him to prove he could bench a certain amount (I think it was 380lbs, or something around there). Turns out he couldn't. Despite all this talk of his strength, etc.

People love the truth, though people also love a great story, and when you are there to witness something, you like to make something seem greater than it is.

I remember someone posting Wilt's supposed clean and jerk numbers and they're just simply unbelievable. In the sense that there is no way that they could be true. Since you look at the world record from a few years back and Wilt was borderline on it or something.

I have no doubt Wilt was insanely strong. If you told me he had a huge deadlift, I'd believe it. I have trouble believing his bench and his clean and jerk numbers.

[jongib369]

Have you heard of over exaggeration?
Was it Larry Brown talking about how Wilt came to play Magic and a few of the other current Laker guys at the time? He went on to say that Wilt blocked every shot that game. Do you actually believe Wilt blocked every shot? Every single one?

I've heard stories about people hyping up Terry Crews, that even Terry Crews believed his own hype. Then Jamie Foxx called him out on it and told him to prove he could bench a certain amount (I think it was 380lbs, or something around there). Turns out he couldn't. Despite all this talk of his strength, etc.

People love the truth, though people also love a great story, and when you are there to witness something, you like to make something seem greater than it is.

I remember someone posting Wilt's supposed clean and jerk numbers and they're just simply unbelievable. In the sense that there is no way that they could be true. Since you look at the world record from a few years back and Wilt was borderline on it or something.

I have no doubt Wilt was insanely strong. If you told me he had a huge deadlift, I'd believe it. I have trouble believing his bench and his clean and jerk numbers.
Yes I do know haha...And the fact your critical of those numbers is great...The world would suck if people just heard something and went along with it :lol

For the Larry Brown story, if I'm not mistaken he probably meant in the post? It'd be redic to think wilt was running around blocking people from all spots. (idk if thats what you had in mind or your doubting he blocked everything that went into the post) When Brown said the story (I should maybe have a relook) But from what I remember the guy to his right (who was At and played in that game) Showed no signs of Larry talking out of his ass. (I'm pretty adept at reading body language when I focus on it, Ill get back to you on it lol)

I'm pretty sure I remember those numbers that you're talking about, i didn't believe them either...Was the guy trolling or was he being serious? (was it jlauber?)

Idk I can very well be wrong but I do personally believe with Shaq having a similar wingspan (7'7 to wilts 7'8 unless I'm mistaken) makes it within reason that Wilt got his bench pretty freakin high over time as he bulked up/gained weight

[plowking]

Yes I do know haha...And the fact your critical of those numbers is great...The world would suck if people just heard something and went along with it :lol

For the Larry Brown story, if I'm not mistaken he probably meant in the post? It'd be redic to think wilt was running around blocking people from all spots. (idk if thats what you had in mind or your doubting he blocked everything that went into the post) When Brown said the story (I should maybe have a relook) But from what I remember the guy to his right (who was At and played in that game) Showed no signs of Larry talking out of his ass. (I'm pretty adept at reading body language when I focus on it, Ill get back to you on it lol)

I'm pretty sure I remember those numbers that you're talking about, i didn't believe them either...Was the guy trolling or was he being serious? (was it jlauber?)

Idk I can very well be wrong but I do personally believe with Shaq having a similar wingspan (7'7 to wilts 7'8 unless I'm mistaken) makes it within reason that Wilt got his bench pretty freakin high over time as he bulked up/gained weight

The difference was Shaq had 60lbs on Wilt as a rookie.
I'm not doubting he put up some serious numbers once he got older and looked huge, though even then, some of the numbers I'm dubious about considering the athletes I've seen in some strong men competitions and the amount of weight they put up.

I can't remember his name exactly though there was a powerlifter/strongman who was 6'9 or 6'10 and he really did struggle on the press movements, due to his length. He was reported to have a 475lbs max I believe. Its just extremely hard to push the weight that far. You're doing far more work as a tall guy with long limbs on press movements. And this is a guy who dedicated his whole life to this, unlike Wilt. Which is why I find a large amount of his press movement numbers somewhat unbelievable.

[jongib369]

The difference was Shaq had 60lbs on Wilt as a rookie.
I'm not doubting he put up some serious numbers once he got older and looked huge, though even then, some of the numbers I'm dubious about considering the athletes I've seen in some strong men competitions and the amount of weight they put up.

I can't remember his name exactly though there was a powerlifter/strongman who was 6'9 or 6'10 and he really did struggle on the press movements, due to his length. He was reported to have a 475lbs max I believe. Its just extremely hard to push the weight that far. You're doing far more work as a tall guy with long limbs on press movements. And this is a guy who dedicated his whole life to this, unlike Wilt. Which is why I find a large amount of his press movement numbers somewhat unbelievable.
Valid criticisms, it is hard to believe, but I do think at some point in his life Wilt got it up to 400+ if Shaq could...But 500 like some say? Nope. Wilt said 500 but as you can see here he can...fib to say the least (but Im no measurement expert, my GF would agree..so maybe he is as high as he says he is.)

http://oi48.tinypic.com/2vv29nq.jpg

[Psileas]

Have you heard of over exaggeration?
Was it Larry Brown talking about how Wilt came to play Magic and a few of the other current Laker guys at the time? He went on to say that Wilt blocked every shot that game. Do you actually believe Wilt blocked every shot? Every single one?

The quote was supposed to be that Wilt blocked every shot by Magic.


I remember someone posting Wilt's supposed clean and jerk numbers and they're just simply unbelievable. In the sense that there is no way that they could be true. Since you look at the world record from a few years back and Wilt was borderline on it or something.

When you say "from a few years back", do you mean compared to Wilt's era? The figure I remember having read for Wilt in a newspaper was 375 lbs, which is not that close to the world record, which is 586 lbs. I don't know when that article was taken, but, just for a comparison, in the beginning of 1970, the world record was still 488 lbs.

[coin24]

:lol At all the people in this thread throwing around 400 pounds like its some light lift.. The only guys ive seen lift that and heavier in the gym are legit bodybuilders... (ie no stranger to gear) Not some lanky basketball player..

Anyone that lifts will tell you its a lot harder for taller, longer armed guys to press/bench. 500 pounds?? GTFOH:roll: :roll:

[Calabis]

You guys do know some people are just naturally strong, I knew a guy who was thin, lanky, but cut, was about 6'3 205lbs....he could throw up 315, shit was a trip

[Pointguard]

Arnold was a body builder, not a power lifter. He used 120lbs with maximum stretch and contraction at each phase of the lift to get maximum pump and muscle growth. Bodybuilders in general don't lift their heaviest on isolation exercises.

He wasn't talking about himself. He specifically said the "biggest and strongest guys." More than likely he's talking of the steriod bunch, some of which were doing it for bulk and not look.. Back then gyms weren't all over the place like now and the elite gyms, more than likely where Arnold and Wilt were going, had the biggest guys around and the most serious weight lifters.

[jongib369]

:lol At all the people in this thread throwing around 400 pounds like its some light lift.. The only guys ive seen lift that and heavier in the gym are legit bodybuilders... (ie no stranger to gear) Not some lanky basketball player..

Anyone that lifts will tell you its a lot harder for taller, longer armed guys to press/bench. 500 pounds?? GTFOH:roll: :roll:
Shaqs bench is 450, before he was a mound of fat/muscle (If I'm not mistaken)...His wingspan 7'7, Wilts 7'8...You're telling me Wilt couldn't approach that even when he was 320 while in his prime?

:lol :roll:

[Pointguard]

Wilt is one of the those guys you call Ox strong. Just capable of crazy strength without it making sense. Dwight Howard is Ox strong because he has a 33inch waist and he can lift some massive weights. Wilt was weird in a lot of ways when you look at it. Why did he have so much more energy than other people when its harder for oxygen to get to his long extremities? He was always freakishly strong, and was naturally very coordinated, and very fast. He had crazy endurance and athletically was exceptional.

Wilt could do a flagpole which is just crazy when you think about it. You have to be naturally strong to pull that off. When you are seven feet its just bizarre.

[jongib369]

Wilt is one of the those guys you call Ox strong. Just capable of crazy strength without it making sense. Dwight Howard is Ox strong because he has a 33inch waist and he can lift some massive weights. Wilt was weird in a lot of ways when you look at it. Why did he have so much more energy than other people when its harder for oxygen to get to his long extremities? He was always freakishly strong, and was naturally very coordinated, and very fast. He had crazy endurance and athletically was exceptional.

Wilt could do a flagpole which is just crazy when you think about it. You have to be naturally strong to pull that off. When you are seven feet its just bizarre.
can you show were you read that? I know a lot about dip but I've NEVER heard he could do a flagpole and to be honest doubt it


You trollin? lol

[jongib369]

Wilt is one of the those guys you call Ox strong. Just capable of crazy strength without it making sense. Dwight Howard is Ox strong because he has a 33inch waist and he can lift some massive weights. Wilt was weird in a lot of ways when you look at it. Why did he have so much more energy than other people when its harder for oxygen to get to his long extremities? He was always freakishly strong, and was naturally very coordinated, and very fast. He had crazy endurance and athletically was exceptional.

Wilt could do a flagpole which is just crazy when you think about it. You have to be naturally strong to pull that off. When you are seven feet its just bizarre.

source http://www.nba.com/warriors/history/Ostler_chamberlain.html

(look for bold)

Since Wilt Chamberlain was a marvel of structure and architecture, it was logical that he would live in one. His nickname was the Big Dipper, and because in Los Angeles you must name your mansion (Pickfair, the Playboy Mansion, etc.), Chamberlain named his home Ursa Major, the astronomic term for the Big Dipper constellation.

Wilt built his fortress in 1975, and it was a sensation at the time, really the first superstar-jock castle, and probably still the most distinctive. It was an All-Star's All-Star house, named for the stars. It sits perched on the spine of a mountain, looking down on L.A. and the Pacific Ocean, a glass-and-stone cathedral. All the design elements are triangles. There is a pool in the living room -- a conversation pit -- and a retractable roof over Wilt's bed so the Big Dipper could watch the Big Dipper.

When visiting Wilt, you would pull up to the big ironwork gate, buzz the buzzer, and from the intercom would come the master's voice, like rumbles and grumbles from deep inside a bear cave.

In the driveway would be his Bentley, or whatever other exotic machines he was driving at the time, and an old, beat-up station wagon that looked like it might have been owned by June Cleaver. Wilt said the wagon was for transporting his huge dogs, but I know it had sentimental value because it was the Big Dipper's All-Star car.

Wilt's NBA rookie season was '59-60 and the All-Star Game was on his home court in Philadelphia. He was the MVP, with 23 points and 25 rebounds. Back then, the MVP was given his choice of either a hot sports car or a station wagon.

Wilt took the wagon and kept it the rest of his life. The All-Star Game meant a lot to Chamberlain. He played in 13 of 'em and played 'em hard. He had 16 or more rebounds seven times. In his third season, when he averaged 50.4 points, he scored 42 at the All-Star Game, still a record.

Wilt spent his life trying to prove things to people, and I suspect that the All-Star Game, especially back in the days when there was so little TV coverage and no highlight shows, was the Big Dipper's favorite stage, his chance to show all the players and fans that the wild stories about the feats of Wilt were true, and that even five of the NBA's greatest players could not stop the Big Dipper.

Wilt was the ultimate All-Star. The idea at this game is to put on a show, to celebrate the sport's exuberance and explore its outer limits, to amaze and astound, to entertain, and that was Wilt.

The All-Star Game is about dropping jaws, and Chamberlain was the first stupefying player, the first NBA player who could do the impossible. Chamberlain, more than any single player, is the reason this All-Star Game is being played in a massive, ultra-luxurious arena, and not in a drafty armory with bent rims, pullout bleachers and cold showers.

When Wilt came into the league, not only was there no All-Star slam-dunk competition, there was no slam-dunk. The Big Dipper was the first player to use the dunk (his was called the Dipper Dunk) as a true weapon and a statement, i.e.: "This hoop is mine."

Early in Chamberlain's NBA career he wrote a magazine article titled, "My Life in the Bush League." And the NBA was rough around the edges. Picture the Continental Basketball Association without its glitz, frills and high salaries. NBA teams flew on commercial jets, economy class.

Wilt was the Moses who led the NBA out of that primitive era. Every time an NBA player settles into his custom seat on his team's luxury jet and orders the macadamia-espresso ice cream, he should pause and give silent thanks to St. Dipper.

Along with being a pioneer and a legend, Wilt was also a hell of a guy. In my 20-plus years of covering big-time sports, Chamberlain is the most interesting person I've met. He was a sportswriter's barometer. If you could experience Wilt's bombast and over-the-top joie de vivre, and not walk away smiling, it was time to turn in the press badge and explore the lucrative field of bartending.

You didn't interview Chamberlain; he interviewed you. "L-let me ask you this, my m-man," he would boom in his authoritative stutter, "how often do you think Bill R-Russell guarded Wilt straight up?"

When Shaquille O'Neal broke into the NBA and was being compared with the young Chamberlain, I phoned Wilt to get his take.

"Everyone wants me to compare Shaq with Wilt," Wilt said in a bored voice, "and that would not be fair to either of us, so I am not going to do that."

Chamberlain spent five minutes explaining why it would be unfair for him to make that comparison, then he spent 30 minutes making that comparison. Wilt gave the edge to Wilt.

He was the consummate braggart, but in a charming way. Here are some of his boats: He once held the world speed record on water skis; he was a gourmet cook; he could drive coast to coast faster than anybody; at 50 he was good enough to play in the NBA and on the Olympic volleyball team; before the game where he scored 100 points, he set a record on a pinball machine in the Hershey (Pa.) gymnasium; he could start from inside the top of the key, leap from behind the free-throw line and dunk; and in his prime, he was the fastest player on his NBA team.

I have no reason to doubt any of the claims.

Wilt could not stand to do anything by the book. Tall guys were supposed to shoot a clunky hook shot, so Wilt invented the elegant finger-roll, the delicate fallaway bank and the thunder dunk.

Athletes often squandered their money, so Wilt became a successful nightclub owner, invested wisely in property, negotiated his own record-breaking contracts and became one of the first independently wealthy athletes. He did his own thinking. He wrote two autobiographies without a ghostwriter.

Once we were discussing his early days in the NBA, when it was said owners had an unwritten quota on black players. Surely, I thought, Wilt would express outrage.

"You have to understand," he said, "that the owners then were small businessmen operating on a shoestring. They were afraid if there were too many black players, the fans wouldn't come out and the league would die, which would hurt all of us. It wasn't racism, it was economics."

Chamberlain could afford any car, but didn't like to buy off the rack. A few years before he died he told me he was designing his own limited edition, high-performance car.

"The Wiltmobile!" I said.

He frowned, his great sense of dignity slightly injured.

"It will be called the Chamberlain," he said.

Wilt kept unusual hours, often couldn't get to sleep until sun-up. When Bill Sharman was coaching the Lakers he instituted the morning shootaround, now an accepted part of NBA life. Chamberlain balked. "I'm coming to the arena once on any given day," he said. "Have Bill tell me which one he wants me to attend -- the shootaround or the game."

Wilt hated it when people said he was a dominant player because he was tall, but that was a prevailing opinion when he broke into the NBA. I bought into that thinking briefly. In Wilt's second NBA season, the Syracuse Nationals had a 7-3 rookie named Harvey (Swede) Halbrook.

Another Wilt? Swede lasted two seasons, averaged 5.5 points, and helped many of us realize that Chamberlain's size was one of the least remarkable things about him.

Chamberlain's hobby was performing superhuman feats. He was one of the first great basketball leapers, and told me that as a teenager he would jump up and place dimes on the top of a backboard, 13 feet above the ground, then pluck them off, one-by-one.

I saw a photo of Wilt with his arms extended, wingspan-like, with a 16-pound bowling ball in each hand, and he wasn't using the finger holes. He once asked a well-conditioned sportswriter, "Can you do a flagpole?" Wilt demonstrated. He grabbed a street-sign pole and raised himself to horizontal, extended from the pole like a flag in the wind.

Chamberlain and Bill Russell made peace with one another in Wilt's last few years, but Wilt spent decades simmering in anger because many considered him Russell's basketball inferior, citing Russell's 11 NBA rings, to Wilt's two.

Wilt was a victim of the mighty Celtic propaganda machine, and he did make a strong case for himself, but after a while it sounded like whining. One day I asked him, "You've got a ton of money, you live like a king, you've got all the fame and women any man could handle, you've got all the basketball records, you and a lot of people know how good you were. So why do you spend so much time worrying about this Bill Russell thing?"

"There is no videotape from those days, and very little film," Wilt said, "so people today don't know how good I was. They don't realize that nobody ever guarded me one-on-one, and that I never needed help guarding anyone. They hear a TV announcer say, 'He blocked that one just like the great Bill Russell,' but do they know that Wilt Chamberlain probably blocked twice as many shots as the great Bill Russell? All I want is my due."



Oh snap

[jongib369]

continued if anyone gives a damn...

It also ate at Wilt that some considered him the poster dude for selfishness. The criticism was along the lines of: Sure, he averaged 50 points for a season, but did his team win the championship that season? Sure, he led the league in assists one season, but his team needed his scoring. When he blocked a shot, he swatted it out of bounds, while Russell would tap the ball to a teammate. The fallaway was a dumb shot for a seven-footer.


And when he wrote in his 1990 autobiography that he had been a very close friend of 20,000 women, Wilt was roundly criticized as the world's most wanton womanizer.

Yet I submit that Wilt Chamberlain was one of the great role models, on the court and off.

When he averaged 50.4 points in '61-62, did one teammate complain that Wilt was hogging the ball? In fact, he was second in the league in field goal percentage that season, and his 76ers lost to the Celtics by two points in Game 7 of the Eastern Division Finals.

Off the court, Chamberlain had all that money, fame and visibility, and yet there was never a hint of scandal involving drugs, alcohol or any sort of bad behavior. He got high on life. Fifty years in the fast lane and all he got were a few speeding tickets....

Chamberlain liked women, but he did not chase married women, and from his long career of Don Juan-ing, there is not a shred of evidence that Wilt was anything but a consummate and responsible gentleman.

In his late '50s, he mused that he might consider marriage, and asked me what I thought of the concept.

"I like it," I said, "but I don't think it's for you."

Wilt settling down would have been like the Titanic settling down. He was proud of being a babe magnet. At about age 55, he told me he was taking up mountain biking because it was a great way to stay in shape and meet girls.

One thing Wilt didn't brag about, unless you asked him, was his quiet, life-long support of women's athletics. His three sisters had had no opportunity to play high school sports, and he vowed to someday fight that injustice.

For decades Chamberlain organized, sponsored, supported high-level teams for girls and women in basketball, track, volleyball and softball, and he was a major supporter of women's marathoning.

So you might say that Wilt really was God's gift to women.

And to the rest of us.

We miss you, Big Dipper. This All-Star Game's for you.

[jongib369]

"Chamberlain once challenged a very fit sportswriter friend of mine to "flagpole" himself. Wilt had the driver stop the team bus. My friend couldn't do a flagpole. Wilt, 7-1 and about 270, grabbed onto the metal sign pole and slowly extended his body to parallel with the ground, then held the pose."

[Mach_3]

I've seen some of Australia's and videos of America's best bodybuilders curling 22lbs to 30lbs dumbbells. They don't go heavy on isolation exercises. Its all about stretch and contraction with the weight, not so much the weight itself. They aren't powerlifters. They aren't competing for strength.

This, bodybuilders are concerned with how much they lift but how they lift the weight.

And by the motion Arnold does it seems as if he's talking about rope pulley tricep extentions. In which case 170 isn't THAT much for someone like Wilt who weighed more then 300 lbs. Especially if he was talking about post basketball Wilt

[Mach_3]

Wilt is one of the those guys you call Ox strong. Just capable of crazy strength without it making sense. Dwight Howard is Ox strong because he has a 33inch waist and he can lift some massive weights. Wilt was weird in a lot of ways when you look at it. Why did he have so much more energy than other people when its harder for oxygen to get to his long extremities? He was always freakishly strong, and was naturally very coordinated, and very fast. He had crazy endurance and athletically was exceptional.

Wilt could do a flagpole which is just crazy when you think about it. You have to be naturally strong to pull that off. When you are seven feet its just bizarre.


Not to bring Wilt down but i've seen guys who don't weight lift at all be able to flagpole for several seconds at a time. It's not exactly the craziest thing in the world to do. And what do you mean Dwight is strong because his waist is small?

[Pointguard]

Not to bring Wilt down but i've seen guys who don't weight lift at all be able to flagpole for several seconds at a time. It's not exactly the craziest thing in the world to do. And what do you mean Dwight is strong because his waist is small?

Are you serious, you don't know what I'm talking about - if you did you would know that height would have a lot to do with it, and you didn't mention it. Its a whole different equation when your feet are 8 to 9 feet away from the pole. And Wilt's center of body is in his legs not part of the torso like the many guys trying it on youtube. The majority of guys than can lift crazy weights can't flagpole because it requires a lot of inner strength as well as core strength. I was on my high schoold gynastics team and I did capeoeira, and I talked to the Barbarans (please Youtube Brooklyn Barbarians) who were in my local park, and in every one of those fields there were very few people that could flag pole, at least the right way. I youtube it and very few people actually do it.

The Dwight comment is tied into people putting size into the equation. Dwight is by nature a small guy but his weight lifting is probably tops among centers today. I think Marc Gasol by nature is a bigger guy. I doubt that he could ever lift weights like DH, tho.

[jongib369]

Are you serious, you don't know what I'm talking about - if you did you would know that height would have a lot to do with it, and you didn't mention it. Its a whole different equation when your feet are 8 to 9 feet away from the pole. And Wilt's center of body is in his legs not part of the torso like the many guys trying it on youtube. The majority of guys than can lift crazy weights can't flagpole because it requires a lot of inner strength as well as core strength. I was on my high schoold gynastics team and I did capeoeira, and I talked to the Barbarans (please Youtube Brooklyn Barbarians) who were in my local park, and in every one of those fields there were very few people that could flag pole, at least the right way. I youtube it and very few people actually do it.

The Dwight comment is tied into people putting size into the equation. Dwight is by nature a small guy but his weight lifting is probably tops among centers today. I think Marc Gasol by nature is a bigger guy. I doubt that he could ever lift weights like DH, tho.
Wilts standing reach is 9'6 1/2 barefoot....thats a LOT of length to hold up lol

[lilgodfather1]

This, bodybuilders are concerned with how much they lift but how they lift the weight.

And by the motion Arnold does it seems as if he's talking about rope pulley tricep extentions. In which case 170 isn't THAT much for someone like Wilt who weighed more then 300 lbs. Especially if he was talking about post basketball Wilt
That's not true at all. Body builders lift to get the maximum pump in the body part. In order to get the max pump you have to lift heavy weight, generally at least 80% (of max) for 5+ reps. 80% allows you full extension, and recruits all the muscle fibres to your muscle while you're lifting.

Doing 30 reps with twenty pounds isn't going to make your muscles grow as much as doing 8 reps with 40 pounds will.

It is true that body builders don't care about their max weights as much as power lifters do, but in order to efficiently build lean muscle you have to lift heavy weights. There's a reason you don't see the biggest guys in the gym lifting 10 pound dumb bells.

Edit: As a side note plowking you know anything about 5/3/1? I've been thinking about trying it out, but I don't know anyone that has done it, or knows anything about it.

[coin24]

Shaqs bench is 450, before he was a mound of fat/muscle (If I'm not mistaken)...His wingspan 7'7, Wilts 7'8...You're telling me Wilt couldn't approach that even when he was 320 while in his prime?

:lol :roll:

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about... Its great that you love Wilt and all, but stick to your computer games not gym discussions champ:cheers:

[jongib369]

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about... Its great that you love Wilt and all, but stick to your computer games not gym discussions champ:cheers:

BAHAHAH Thanks Mr. Omnipotent :bowdown:

Please tell me how Shaq with the same wingspan before he was a blob reaching 350 LBS+ could bench 450, but Wilt not even 400 while weighing 320 with gradual increases? LOL. I can almost guarantee that I know not only more about working out than you, but basketball in general (But I could be mistaken)

*ROUGHLY*

I can name the stats for every specific year of Jordan, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Shaq, Kobe, LeBron, Duncan, Barkley, Ewing, kareem, West, baylor ETC off the top of my head

I can name EVERY teams record for the past 10 years

I can name NUMEROUS players heights and weights (yet again roughly)

I PLAYED basketball (I sucked at everything besides 3's and rebounding lol), I used to lift...ETC I can go on...and ON

I know quite a bit about basketball so to say "You clearly have no idea what you are talking about" is somewhat silly when you don't seem to be logically inconsistent in denying that Shaq could also...Unless I'm mistaken and he could only do it when he was a blob...OR you dont think he could I apologize

http://oi45.tinypic.com/i41thl.jpg

You just got aspergerd

(I'm just playing around I don't take any of this sh*t serious :lol )

[Darius]

Flagpole? impossible.

[coin24]

BAHAHAH Thanks Mr. Omnipotent :bowdown:

Please tell me how Shaq with the same wingspan before he was a blob reaching 350 LBS+ could bench 450, but Wilt not even 400 while weighing 320 with gradual increases? LOL. I can almost guarantee that I know not only more about working out than you, but basketball in general (But I could be mistaken)

*ROUGHLY*

I can name the stats for every specific year of Jordan, Magic, Bird, Wilt, Shaq, Kobe, LeBron, Duncan, Barkley, Ewing, kareem, West, baylor ETC off the top of my head

I can name EVERY teams record for the past 10 years

I can name NUMEROUS players heights and weights (yet again roughly)

I PLAYED basketball (I sucked at everything besides 3's and rebounding lol), I used to lift...ETC I can go on...and ON

I know quite a bit about basketball so to say "You clearly have no idea what you are talking about" is somewhat silly when you don't seem to be logically inconsistent in denying that Shaq could also...Unless I'm mistaken and he could only do it when he was a blob...OR you dont think he could I apologize

http://oi45.tinypic.com/i41thl.jpg

You just got aspergerd

(I'm just playing around I don't take any of this sh*t serious :lol )


:lol :applause:

Firstly though, i wasnt talking about your basketball knowledge, obviously you're on a forum dedicated about it in the offseason so you're a fan...
My only real problem is people shooting off lift figures when they dont understand the weights in comparison to what theyre talking about..

My first post was saying people YOU see in the gym, not the Wilts or Shaqs or other 0.001% of the worlds people that are super athletes.. They will not be benching 400 pounds unless they are life dedicated bodybuilders on strict diets and usually steroids:oldlol:
Im sure Wilt and Shaq could push out a few reps on low 400s being there size, strength etc as theyre basically freaks of nature, but 500 and upwards like people claim Wilt did? Not likely...

Its also funny when you see retards like Pauk talk about BF%s:lol

[jbot]

now i would have actually believed that arnold flipped a cougar off of his back.

[NattyPButter]

probably talking about skull crushers since they most likely didn't call it by that name at that time. 120lbs would be heavy.

[plowking]

That's not true at all. Body builders lift to get the maximum pump in the body part. In order to get the max pump you have to lift heavy weight, generally at least 80% (of max) for 5+ reps. 80% allows you full extension, and recruits all the muscle fibres to your muscle while you're lifting.

Doing 30 reps with twenty pounds isn't going to make your muscles grow as much as doing 8 reps with 40 pounds will.

It is true that body builders don't care about their max weights as much as power lifters do, but in order to efficiently build lean muscle you have to lift heavy weights. There's a reason you don't see the biggest guys in the gym lifting 10 pound dumb bells.

Edit: As a side note plowking you know anything about 5/3/1? I've been thinking about trying it out, but I don't know anyone that has done it, or knows anything about it.

Completely agree on the heavy weight for something like 5 reps. But that is more for their compound movements. Isolation exercises is completely different. On the bench and squats they will stack up the weights.

5/3/1? Yeah. Are you using it simply to gain strength? I found it does work well for it, more so than 5x5, but I found that my cardio dropped a significant amount, or maybe my mindset when going back to lifting regularly afterward. What I mean is my 1 rep max went up on my lifts, but when I went to do 10 reps of a weight I could previously do, I found it a little harder, and in some cases failed due to just being fatigued. I stick to 5x5 or a 6x4 routine now. Works best for me personally.
So yeah, if you want to keep a certain level of fitness keep doing 5x5 (if you are already) or start on a 5x5 program. Otherwise if you want to boost that 1RM, try the 5/3/1. It helped me the most, and it was good for the ego.

[Mach_3]

Are you serious, you don't know what I'm talking about - if you did you would know that height would have a lot to do with it, and you didn't mention it. Its a whole different equation when your feet are 8 to 9 feet away from the pole. And Wilt's center of body is in his legs not part of the torso like the many guys trying it on youtube. The majority of guys than can lift crazy weights can't flagpole because it requires a lot of inner strength as well as core strength. I was on my high schoold gynastics team and I did capeoeira, and I talked to the Barbarans (please Youtube Brooklyn Barbarians) who were in my local park, and in every one of those fields there were very few people that could flag pole, at least the right way. I youtube it and very few people actually do it.

The Dwight comment is tied into people putting size into the equation. Dwight is by nature a small guy but his weight lifting is probably tops among centers today. I think Marc Gasol by nature is a bigger guy. I doubt that he could ever lift weights like DH, tho.

Personally i think your completely overblowing how hard flagpoling is, imo the two biggest factors for it are core strength and your weight (well bf% more) but i understand your point

And Marc Gasol might be stronger then Dwight, who knows. You can't just look at a guys body and say he's stronger then so and so. I've seen powerlifters who look like chewed bubble gum who can outlift guys that are built like prime Arnold. (And they were around the same weight to)


That's not true at all. Body builders lift to get the maximum pump in the body part. In order to get the max pump you have to lift heavy weight, generally at least 80% (of max) for 5+ reps. 80% allows you full extension, and recruits all the muscle fibres to your muscle while you're lifting.

Doing 30 reps with twenty pounds isn't going to make your muscles grow as much as doing 8 reps with 40 pounds will.

It is true that body builders don't care about their max weights as much as power lifters do, but in order to efficiently build lean muscle you have to lift heavy weights. There's a reason you don't see the biggest guys in the gym lifting 10 pound dumb bells.

Edit: As a side note plowking you know anything about 5/3/1? I've been thinking about trying it out, but I don't know anyone that has done it, or knows anything about it.


i see enough of that on the bodybuilding.com message boards as it is and you completely took my post out of context, why the hell would anyone do 30 reps with 20 lbs is beyond me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8wZNGL4iA4

listen and learn

[hon]

http://static3.imagecollect.com/preview/560/682a691353b6703

[Euroleague]

Sofoklis Schortsanitis benches 450+ and they claim it is the official record for any basketball player in the world.

So this definitely disputes the Wilt tales.

[La Frescobaldi]

don't know about weight lifting records and so forth but i can say Wilt Chamberlain was strong all right.

Saw the guy pick up Bob Love one night. Just reached out and grabbed him by the arm and lifted him straight up like nothin. Other guys too. Jerry Sloan, #4 the Original Bull played with old Norm Van Lier and those Bulls were the original Bad Boys. Just played mean. They had Chet the Jet Walker and Cliff Ray who is i think coaching on the Celtics now. Well this was Wilt in LA and the Bulls were over at the Forum and it wasn't during the 33 in a row but it was around that time and the Bulls did what they always did. Starting a ruckus. Wilt Chamberlain just picked up Norm van Lier, grabbed him by both arms and picked him up like a leaf. That was the end of that fight right there.

I saw him do other similar things but this was after he had retired. He was out at Huntington Beach which is just outside LA and this girl was getting harassed by some big burly dude you know, bully at the beach. Chamberlain picked this guy up and he had to weigh a good 240 if not more and he just held this guy up to his own face, shook his head like, fatherly you know? and bodily threw him into the ocean like 15 or 20 feet in the air.

I believe Wilt Chamberlain was a giant. Not just big, like Darko Milicic or something. I mean a literal giant. He had incredible strength that I've only ever seen from those dudes like Olympics guys. Not saying Wilt could lift a thousand pounds over his head or whatever. I don't know the numbers of it, or care. But I will not say he couldn't do it because he was just unreal strong.

Jim Brown said Wilt beat him in a foot race, and they say he ran a 4.7 40 for the Chiefs in street shoes or whatever the story is. Well I don't know, but I can say this. Many a time in Philly Wilt got the rebound and threw outlet pass, and then proceeded to beat every man down the court for the layup. I saw him chase down Jerry West and catch him when Jerry was in a frenzy and that's all you need to say about that.

Well it's an evening for old tales I guess. But we all thought Artis Gilmore was going to be strong as Wilt, that was the question mark at that day and time. But in the All-Star games it was ABA vs. NBA back then and when they once lined up beside each other in the paint there wasn't any more question. The A-Train was a big ol bruiser but he could not move Chamberlain. Not at all.

[CavaliersFTW]

don't know about weight lifting records and so forth but i can say Wilt Chamberlain was strong all right.

Saw the guy pick up Bob Love one night. Just reached out and grabbed him by the arm and lifted him straight up like nothin. Other guys too. Jerry Sloan, #4 the Original Bull played with old Norm Van Lier and those Bulls were the original Bad Boys. Just played mean. They had Chet the Jet Walker and Cliff Ray who is i think coaching on the Celtics now. Well this was Wilt in LA and the Bulls were over at the Forum and it wasn't during the 33 in a row but it was around that time and the Bulls did what they always did. Starting a ruckus. Wilt Chamberlain just picked up Norm van Lier, grabbed him by both arms and picked him up like a leaf. That was the end of that fight right there.

I saw him do other similar things but this was after he had retired. He was out at Huntington Beach which is just outside LA and this girl was getting harassed by some big burly dude you know, bully at the beach. Chamberlain picked this guy up and he had to weigh a good 240 if not more and he just held this guy up to his own face, shook his head like, fatherly you know? and bodily threw him into the ocean like 15 or 20 feet in the air.

I believe Wilt Chamberlain was a giant. Not just big, like Darko Milicic or something. I mean a literal giant. He had incredible strength that I've only ever seen from those dudes like Olympics guys. Not saying Wilt could lift a thousand pounds over his head or whatever. I don't know the numbers of it, or care. But I will not say he couldn't do it because he was just unreal strong.

Jim Brown said Wilt beat him in a foot race, and they say he ran a 4.7 40 for the Chiefs in street shoes or whatever the story is. Well I don't know, but I can say this. Many a time in Philly Wilt got the rebound and threw outlet pass, and then proceeded to beat every man down the court for the layup. I saw him chase down Jerry West and catch him when Jerry was in a frenzy and that's all you need to say about that.

Well it's an evening for old tales I guess. But we all thought Artis Gilmore was going to be strong as Wilt, that was the question mark at that day and time. But in the All-Star games it was ABA vs. NBA back then and when they once lined up beside each other in the paint there wasn't any more question. The A-Train was a big ol bruiser but he could not move Chamberlain. Not at all.
A 4.6 40 with dress slacks and no shoes at all:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-tDn7lBlbaC8/T1BIb5WnVRI/AAAAAAAADIM/n46efDf56To/s800/Wilt%2520Chamberlain%2520football.jpg

[CavaliersFTW]

Sofoklis Schortsanitis benches 450+ and they claim it is the official record for any basketball player in the world.

So this definitely disputes the Wilt tales.
Even Wilt's biggest proponents who claim Wilt could smash a mountain in two pieces give links and cite sources. Please do the same or better yet, go play in traffic

[ILLsmak]

I saw him do other similar things but this was after he had retired. He was out at Huntington Beach which is just outside LA and this girl was getting harassed by some big burly dude you know, bully at the beach. Chamberlain picked this guy up and he had to weigh a good 240 if not more and he just held this guy up to his own face, shook his head like, fatherly you know? and bodily threw him into the ocean like 15 or 20 feet in the air.



Your story was admirable until that point.

-Smak

[La Frescobaldi]

Your story was admirable until that point.

-Smak
Yeah that is written bad ain't it. I don't mean up, like over a basket in elevation!!

I mean he hurled that guy - like you would fling a bag of potatoes into a truck, or throw a child into a swimming pool

[spacebump]

Sofoklis Schortsanitis benches 450+ and they claim it is the official record for any basketball player in the world.

So this definitely disputes the Wilt tales.

Proof Euroleague is tainted by roids users.

[Euroleague]

Even Wilt's biggest proponents who claim Wilt could smash a mountain in two pieces give links and cite sources. Please do the same or better yet, go play in traffic

**** off.

[Euroleague]

Proof Euroleague is tainted by roids users.

Funny, since you are one of the people that claims the Euroleague simply "copies the NBA"...........

[KOBE143]

Who's stronger? Wilt or Mcgee? :confusedshrug:

[Rysio]

That's not true at all. Body builders lift to get the maximum pump in the body part. In order to get the max pump you have to lift heavy weight, generally at least 80% (of max) for 5+ reps. 80% allows you full extension, and recruits all the muscle fibres to your muscle while you're lifting.

Doing 30 reps with twenty pounds isn't going to make your muscles grow as much as doing 8 reps with 40 pounds will.

It is true that body builders don't care about their max weights as much as power lifters do, but in order to efficiently build lean muscle you have to lift heavy weights. There's a reason you don't see the biggest guys in the gym lifting 10 pound dumb bells.

Edit: As a side note plowking you know anything about 5/3/1? I've been thinking about trying it out, but I don't know anyone that has done it, or knows anything about it.
says who? its more time consuming but doesnt mean you'll make less gains as long as you eat enough.

[Gory Lobotomist]

Arnold was a body builder, not a power lifter. He used 120lbs with maximum stretch and contraction at each phase of the lift to get maximum pump and muscle growth. Bodybuilders in general don't lift their heaviest on isolation exercises.
Wrong Era of bodybuilder... Arnold started with a power background and had supersetting ability that most elite lifters to this day can not follow. Arnold used to bench 405lbs for reps 3 times a week...