Current - Dirk Nowitzki or Kobe Bryant

[WockaVodka]

According to the ESPN rank, Kobe was ranked as the 6th best player while Dirk was ranked as the 11th best player. I personally disagree with both rankings. Kobe was ranked too high and Dirk was ranked too low.

Who do you guys think at their current stage of their career is the better player?

[MiamiThrice]

Dirk, he gets better looks at the rim, because of the fact that his size allows him to post up. He has a signature shot more reliable than anything Kobe has. Kobe is forced to catch the ball 20 feet from the hoop and at this stage he isn't quick enough to do anything, but attempt bad shots with his mediocre length.

Kobe doesn't positively impact the game at all unless he is making his circus shots. He shoots too inefficiently to warrant the 20+ shots per game he demands.

Dirk carried his team to a title as well sweeping Kobe in the playoffs who had a stacked team of Odom, Bynum, Gasol. Swept

And most importantly of all, Dirk knows when to pick his spots. He is better at realizing when to defer to teammates and when to take advantage of a matchup. Kobe still thinks he is an elite player, and the worst thing you can have is a washed up dude that still thinks hes elite.

[Legends66NBA7]

Kobe Bryant.

I think he'll be better this year with Nash running the point, taking less pressure of ball-handling duties and letting Bryant focus on what he does best: shoot and score. If he's focused, his defense can still be adequate and can still provide good help defense when call upon.

Dirk, if focused and healthy, will probably return to better form this year, but I don't think he doesn't have enough offensive pieces to work with. I don't think he's slipped that far down, but I thought Kobe was better than Dirk last year in both regular season and playoffs and shouldn't be any different this year.

[kennethgriffin]

lol@ perenial 1st team all nba player who gave up the scoring title last day of the season not being top 5...

looks like we're gonna get another 50-60 point game and a funny post game quote from the mamba

[stallionaire]

Gimme Dirk.

I need a guy who's silky smooth and not a chucker.

[kenny817]

I'll take Dirk

But Kobe is certainly no slouch

[KG215]

lol@ perenial 1st team all nba player who gave up the scoring title last day of the season not being top 5...

looks like we're gonna get another 50-60 point game and a funny post game quote from the mamba

You have no shame. Gave up the scoring title? You act like he just needed 20-25 points or something.

That was so gracious of Kobe, though, to just give Durant the scoring title. What a nice guy.

[kennethgriffin]

do any of you morons even watch basketball?

the fans and experts both ranked dirk #10 and #11 in the nba right now...


compared to #6 and #3 for kobe


so either way you look at it kobes better. its not even close and hasnt been since around 2007


jesus wtf is this a dallas pep rally or something?

[KG215]

do any of you morons even watch basketball?

the fans and experts both ranked dirk #10 and #11 in the nba right now...


compared to #6 and #3 for kobe


so either way you look at it kobes better. its not even close and hasnt been since around 2007


jesus wtf is this a dallas pep rally or something?

I'm guessing you're one of those fans who ranked him #3? And you see why you can't take fan votes on any website (even ESPN) seriously, right?

[RRR3]

Kobe

[kennethgriffin]

I'm guessing you're one of those fans who ranked him #3? And you see why you can't take fan votes on any website (even ESPN) seriously, right?


basically tied for league leading regular season and playoff scoring champion

1st team all nba

2nd team all defense

leader of a team with a top 3 seed

28/5/5



hes atleast a top 3 player in the league... howard had a bad year. quit on his team. cant lead for sh*t... derrick rose didnt even play... how are these guys ranked above kobe?

espn ranked him 6th.... well hes gonna win #6 and make a witty quote after the finals when hes holding that finals mvp in his hands



"well i guess they got confused with the # of rings i got rather than my actual rank in this league. cause this means i'm #1 b*tches.... i retire"

[miles berg]

Dirk is the better player and has been for awhile. He just hasn't had Shaq, Gasol, Bynum, & now Dwight.

But he did have Chandler one season, swept Kobe, beat Durant, and then won the championship going thru LeBron & Wade.

Imagine if he had legit centers his whole career...

[TexasBloodMoney]

The lakers would do just fine without Kobe. Swap him out with an average shooting guard and that team can still dominate.

Steve Nash
Courtney Lee (just an example)
Ron Artest
Pau Gasol
Dwight Howard

They might actually do better without Kobe shooting 20 contested shots a game.

[kennethgriffin]

The lakers would do just fine without Kobe. Swap him out with an average shooting guard and that team can still dominate.

Steve Nash
Courtney Lee (just an example)
Ron Artest
Pau Gasol
Dwight Howard

They might actually do better without Kobe shooting 20 contested shots a game.


this guy prayed to god begging for kobe to lose in the 2009 and 2010 finals. then shat and pissed himself to sleep when god laughed in his face...

[mehyaM24]

dirk is a midround playoff fodder. a one dimensional scorer who's only claim to fame is a SINGLE championship....with the MOST stacked team in the league. dirk's 2006 and 2007 choke jobs are more than enough to make this easy for me.

kobe is better.

[KG215]

basically tied for league leading regular season and playoff scoring champion

1st team all nba

2nd team all defense

leader of a team with a top 3 seed

28/5/5



hes atleast a top 3 player in the league... howard had a bad year. quit on his team. cant lead for sh*t... derrick rose didnt even play... how are these guys ranked above kobe?

espn ranked him 6th.... well hes gonna win #6 and make a witty quote after the finals when hes holding that finals mvp in his hands



"well i guess they got confused with the # of rings i got rather than my actual rank in this league. cause this means i'm #1 b*tches.... i retire"

At least a top 3 player? It sounds like you want to make a case for him at #2, which is stupid. Of course that's pretty much the same thing you started doing several months ago. At first it was "Hakeem isn't even close to Kobe all-time because half of Kobe's resume is better than Hakeem's resume." Then you moved on to "Kobe>>>>>>>>Shaq and it's not even close" with "Shaq couldn't win until he got Kobe" as your main argument and started to argue it was stupid for anyone to not consider Kobe to be ranked top 6 all-time. A week or two later that became top 5 and, as recently as today, you are now trying to argue why Kobe is better than Jordan. That's why no one should take anything you say about Kobe seriously. If they do, they're just as stupid and ignorant as you are.

Howard was hurt and what does "not being able to lead worth a shit" have to do anything? A healthy Howard is still better than Kobe at this point in their careers.

So is Chris Paul. A hobbled CP3 took a hobbled Blake Griffin and the Clippers just as far in the playoffs as the Lakers. He finished higher in the MVP voting, was 1st team All-NBA, and 1st team All-Defense, was third in assists, and lead the league in steals.

Not that any of that actually matters, because Chris Paul is just a flatout better basketball player than Kobe right now, but I'm just using the same criteria you like to use to argue why someone is better than someone else.

[kennethgriffin]

Dirk is the better player and has been for awhile. He just hasn't had Shaq, Gasol, Bynum, & now Dwight.

But he did have Chandler one season, swept Kobe, beat Durant, and then won the championship going thru LeBron & Wade.

Imagine if he had legit centers his whole career...


its like some kind of a 2011 flashback or something. i guess no one watched 2012


dirk sucked

the mavs sucked

holy fu*ck this is nostalgic to say the least.

[kennethgriffin]

At least a top 3 player? It sounds like you want to make a case for him at #2, which is stupid. Howard was hurt and what does "not being able to lead worth a shit" have to do anything? A healthy Howard is still better than Kobe at this point in their career's.

So is Chris Paul. A hobbled CP3 took a hobbled Blake Griffin and the Clippers just as far in the playoffs as the Lakers. He finished higher in the MVP voting, was 1st team All-NBA, and 1st team All-Defense, was third in assists, and lead the league in steals.

Not that any of that actually matters, because Chris Paul is just a flatout better basketball player than Kobe right now, but I'm just using the same criteria you like to use to argue why someone is better than someone else.


i don't believe chris paul or dwight are better than kobe... its pretty close between them all and only 1 of them has proved they can lead a team to a championship

all have advantages in different areas. i just think kobe unlike paul or howard can create a shot at any time for himself and not just his team mates ( like paul ) and as for howard ( niether his team mates or himself )


i guess kobe just has to go out and win another title as finals mvp. thats the only way anyone ever realises how good he is


chris paul might get more assists.. but kobes been the main play maker for 5 world championship teams... remember that.

[mehyaM24]

Dirk, he gets better looks at the rim, because of the fact that his size allows him to post up. He has a signature shot more reliable than anything Kobe has. Kobe is forced to catch the ball 20 feet from the hoop and at this stage he isn't quick enough to do anything, but attempt bad shots with his mediocre length.

Kobe doesn't positively impact the game at all unless he is making his circus shots. He shoots too inefficiently to warrant the 20+ shots per game he demands.

Dirk carried his team to a title as well sweeping Kobe in the playoffs who had a stacked team of Odom, Bynum, Gasol. Swept

And most importantly of all, Dirk knows when to pick his spots. He is better at realizing when to defer to teammates and when to take advantage of a matchup. Kobe still thinks he is an elite player, and the worst thing you can have is a washed up dude that still thinks hes elite.

TL;DR:
dirk is a good scorer and he's average to below average in everything else. how does this make him a top 10 player, let alone 5th 6th or 7th best in the league like some people try to argue him as? :oldlol:

[G-Funk]

do any of you morons even watch basketball?

the fans and experts both ranked dirk #10 and #11 in the nba right now...


compared to #6 and #3 for kobe


so either way you look at it kobes better. its not even close and hasnt been since around 2007


jesus wtf is this a dallas pep rally or something?


It's a Hate Kobe Rally, notice how all the Kobe haters have green bars and the Kobe fans who don't suck up to them have red.

[Freedom Kid7]

I feel ISH is a tipping hourglass sometimes.

When it's in the mood, the Lakers fans dominate the area and say stuff and no one else wants to post.
Now that LeBron's won, whenever someone tries to bring up that Kobe still played well, people gun down that idea immediatly.

I mean, they're both great players and have good strengths and weaknesses but the fanbase of both is torn for some strange reason :confusedshrug:

[kennethgriffin]

I feel ISH is a tipping hourglass sometimes.

When it's in the mood, the Lakers fans dominate the area and say stuff and no one else wants to post.
Now that LeBron's won, whenever someone tries to bring up that Kobe still played well, people gun down that idea immediatly.

I mean, they're both great players and have good strengths and weaknesses but the fanbase of both is torn for some strange reason :confusedshrug:


i think its a what have you done for me lately fan base that makes up 90% of nba fans


whoevers on top will get all the fans... when kobes winning his fans dominate the message boards... lebron won so now his fans dominate ISH


if the lakers win the next couple of rings you'l see some changes.


i myself can take on 50 letards at a time by myself. i don't care.

[Freedom Kid7]

i think its a what have you done for me lately fan base that makes up 90% of nba fans


whoevers on top will get all the fans... when kobes winning his fans dominate the message boards... lebron won so now his fans dominate ISH


if the lakers win the next couple of rings you'l see some changes.


i myself can take on 50 letards at a time by myself. i don't care.
I think I understand your point. Why can't LeBron fans accept Kobe is a great player and shooter and all and why can't Kobe fans accept LeBron is a great player and passer and all. I mean, they're both pretty special.

[kenny817]

i think its a what have you done for me lately fan base that makes up 90% of nba fans


whoevers on top will get all the fans... when kobes winning his fans dominate the message boards... lebron won so now his fans dominate ISH


if the lakers win the next couple of rings you'l see some changes.


i myself can take on 50 letards at a time by myself. i don't care.

That's how all sports are bruh

[kennethgriffin]

I think I understand your point. Why can't LeBron fans accept Kobe is a great player and shooter and all and why can't Kobe fans accept LeBron is a great player and passer and all. I mean, they're both pretty special.


i've been quoted a ton of times saying lebrons the best and has been for a few years. kobes not prime anymore. but hes still a top 5 player and at best arguably right there with howard or paul..

i even put lebron top 11-15 all time.


but lebron fans for the most part still say the most insane things like "kobes barely top 10 all time or current. they say he NEVER was the best player at any one point in time over the last decade.


lebron fans give zero credit. i think it has allot to do with their age. when their older maybe theyel give a bit of credit to someone other than their idol


i may look like a hater cause i think lebron had an asterisk title.. but he did. that doesnt take away from him being the best. i just dont think 1999 or 2012 are the same because of the lockouts

[TheBigVeto]

According to the ESPN rank, Kobe was ranked as the 6th best player while Dirk was ranked as the 11th best player. I personally disagree with both rankings. Kobe was ranked too high and Dirk was ranked too low.

Who do you guys think at their current stage of their career is the better player?


Dirk.

Kobe needs a team of great players to be successful.

Dirk can carry an 'ok' team and be successful.

[Fudge]

Tracy McGrady

[KOBE143]

Kobe at worst is a top 3 player

Dirk at worst is a top 15 player

You choose?

[KG215]

i don't believe chris paul or dwight are better than kobe... its pretty close between them all and only 1 of them has proved they can lead a team to a championship
And what does that have to do with the here and now? We're not comparing legacies or career accomplishments. We're talking about the better basketball heading into the 2012-2013 season. I don't think there's any question a healthy Dwight Howard is better and, based on last year, I'd take Chris Paul over Kobe. And of course LeBron and Durant...that's the top 4. I'd have Kobe at #5 right now, though. A healthy Rose has a case for top 5 as does a healthy Wade, but base don last season, Kobe is top 5.


all have advantages in different areas. i just think kobe unlike paul or howard can create a shot at any time for himself and not just his team mates ( like paul ) and as for howard ( niether his team mates or himself )
That's one aspect of basketball. Kobe can't facilitate and play "floor general" like Chris Paul, and he doesn't come anywhere close to even sniffing the defensive impact Dwight Howard has on the game. But that's what you do. It's like you saying a reason you think Kobe is better than Shaq is because he's more "skilled" and can shoot, dribble, and pass. better. You pick and choose whatever areas and criteria that fit your Kobe agenda.


i guess kobe just has to go out and win another title as finals mvp. thats the only way anyone ever realises how good he is
No, plenty of people realize how good he is. The season he had last year was very impressive given the mileage he has on his legs. He just doesn't have the same impact on a game or playoff series as he did 2-4 years ago. If he was 2008-2009 Kobe he probably takes that team to the WCF or at least pushes the Thunder to a hard fought 7 game series. Bynum finally stayed healthy all season and emerged as a legit go-to center. That team wasn't as good as the 2008-2010 Lakers because they didn't have someone of Odom's caliber coming off the bench, but Bynum was much better than he was those years. He just didn't have the same kind of all-around impact he was having in the playoffs 2-4 years ago.



chris paul might get more assists.. but kobes been the main play maker for 5 world championship teams... remember that.
He was the main playmaker because his starting PG was Derek Fisher. Even i Fisher had played his entire career on another team without a ball-dominant SG like Kobe, he wouldn't have been your prototypical facilitating/playmaking PG. He is and always has been a shooting/scoring PG.

[oh the horror]

Dirk carried his team to a title as well sweeping Kobe in the playoffs who had a stacked team of Odom, Bynum, Gasol. Swept






Swept.....after winning back to back titles.


Dirk, after losing some key players, including Tyson Chandler....Exit first round, back to mediocrity.




Try again.

[noosaman]

Dirk is better

[TheBigVeto]

Kobe at worst is a top 3 player

Dirk at worst is a top 15 player

You choose?

http://oi53.tinypic.com/34rtwyh.jpg

[BlackVVaves]

I know the question is regarding them in present form, but since some people in this thread are discussing the differences between the two along their careers:

Peak Averages (2005-2006 season to 2007-2008 season)


Dirk

Points: 25 PPG
Rebounds: 9 RPG
Assists: 3 APG
FG%: 49%
TS%: 58%


Kobe

Points: 32 PPG
Rebounds: 6 RPG
Assists: 5 APG
Steals: 2 SPG
FG%: 46%
TS%: 57%

[LikeABosh]

Those rankings are a joke. Kevin Love and Rose ahead of Wade. :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Duncan21formvp]

Dirk Nowitzki by a decent margin. He just beat Kobe in the playoffs without HCA and swept him despite Kobe having more allstars on his team and while Dirk was the only allstar on his team.

[Human Error]

Definitely Dirk who can get much better shots off with superior efficiency. Kobe has no argument over Dirk except for having much better teammates.

[Legends66NBA7]

Dirk Nowitzki by a decent margin. He just beat Kobe in the playoffs without HCA and swept him despite Kobe having more allstars on his team and while Dirk was the only allstar on his team.

So by "just", you mean 2011 ? Did 2012 just get skipped all of a sudden ?

Because Kobe was better than Dirk in 2012, regular season and playoffs.

[TheMarkMadsen]

So by "just", you mean 2011 ? Did 2012 just get skipped all of a sudden ?

Because Kobe was better than Dirk in 2012, regular season and playoffs.

Doesn't fit into the anti kobe agenda.

So yes, 2012 does not count

[Rubio2Gasol]

I have to take Dirk.

Now overall at the moment, Kobe is probably a better player but at the same time Dirk is one of the easiest players to build around. Around Dirk you need a range of prototypical NBA players that the league churns out while around Kobe you need a couple rare assets.

[MiamiThrice]

So by "just", you mean 2011 ? Did 2012 just get skipped all of a sudden ?

Because Kobe was better than Dirk in 2012, regular season and playoffs.

How is Kobe any better in 2012 than 2011? What aspects of his game are superior? Inb4 question gets ignored.

Answer: None

2011 is recent and Dirk has proven to be more capable of leading his team to a title as evidenced the most recent meetings when he swept Kobe in the playoffs with an inferior supporting cast.

[Vertical-24]

Kobe all the way.

Kobe is still a top 5 player in the league in my eyes and the only fault I had seen with him last season was a 43%fg which can be attributed to a poor offensive gameplan, extreme minutes and of course bad shot-selection (which plagued Kobe his whole career). Had Kobe not have to carry such a heavy load this season at his AGE (plus years in the L), he would've had a much better season imo.

Dirk over Kobe? That's an atrocity of an idea. And I like Dirk.

Dirk is a fringe top 10 player who is more so in the 11-15 range anyway compared to a Top 7 (at the minimum) player in Kobe Bryant.

Even, Kobe vs. Wade (although done so many times in the past) would've been a better comparison.

AND PEOPLE ARE SERIOUSLY BRINGING UP 2011 PLAYOFFS? OP said current (assuming he means '12 season going into the '13 season). Kobe was easily better in 2012.

[9erempiree]

The lakers would do just fine without Kobe. Swap him out with an average shooting guard and that team can still dominate.

Steve Nash
Courtney Lee (just an example)
Ron Artest
Pau Gasol
Dwight Howard

They might actually do better without Kobe shooting 20 contested shots a game.

another dumb logic. Insert blah blah player for kobe and they will do fine. Which is not true considering that all these guys are joining a 5 time champion and a two time in Pau.

This would be an argument if Kobe joined these rejects.

[ImmortalD24]

lol@ perenial 1st team all nba player who gave up the scoring title last day of the season not being top 5...

looks like we're gonna get another 50-60 point game and a funny post game quote from the mamba
You know you're not helping the cause (the most generous gawdbe cause wink wink) with all of this incessant whining.

Hell, as a Kobe guy myself, I feel like voting for Dirk just to piss you off. Take a chill pill brah..


and to answer this thread.. Kobe.

[ImmortalD24]

Those rankings are a joke. Kevin Love and Rose ahead of Wade. :oldlol: :oldlol:
Honestly.. I like Rose as much as the next guy, but him being top 5 just kills their rankings considerably. I don't see a case for him at all.

[LakersReign]

The lakers would do just fine without Kobe. Swap him out with an average shooting guard and that team can still dominate.

Steve Nash
Courtney Lee (just an example)
Ron Artest
Pau Gasol
Dwight Howard

They might actually do better without Kobe shooting 20 contested shots a game.

Yet another BOGUS Kobe hating lie:rolleyes:

Just gotta love it how they LOVE to post such BLATANT lies, and feel no obligation to back them up. Which is exactly why it's not a coincidence, that when asked who Kobe so supposedly replaceable with.....they all immediately disappear:roll:

[JBull]

Dirk.

[Dictator]

How is Dirk currently better?

reg
Kobe 29 5 5 43%
dirk 22 7 2 45%

playoff
kobe 30 5 4 43% 0.2 blks 2,8 tos
dirk 26 7 2 44% 0 blks 2.5tos

[JBull]

How is Dirk currently better?

reg
Kobe 29 5 5 43%
dirk 22 7 2 45%

playoff
kobe 30 5 4 43% 0.2 blks 2,8 tos
dirk 26 7 2 44% 0 blks 2.5tos
stats? ccmon yall watch games

[Dictator]

stats? ccmon yall watch games

I did. We all did. ISH logic... Everyone thinks Dirk's been playing with a team full of kwame brown's or somethin.

[Jacks3]

kobe pretty easily. he was better during the RS and PS.

actually had a pretty great season. 28/5+/5/1.2 during the RS and 30/5/5 during the PS. 4th in MVP voting. 1st-Team All-NBA. lead team to #3 seed. only "problem" was the league-average efficiency, but that had more to do with the terrible offensive system, poor spacing, and the horrible fit that was bynum/gasol. remember that he had a very good 56% TS when both or one of bynum/pau were off the court. due to much better spacing and more opportunities to post-up.

and you can also see this in his efficiency in the games bynum missed:
54% TS
51% TS
63% TS
65% TS
64% TS
73% TS

not surprising.

[longtime lurker]

Like seriously is this board just retarded? Like this question isn't even close right now.

[LakersReign]

Like seriously is this board just retarded? Like this question isn't even close right now.

Well.....99% of it is, but you already knew that. Anything to hate on Kobe, whether it makes sense or not is totally irrelevant. Can't wait til some ret**ded bandwagon Lebron fan aka Lebronyte, eventually posts a Patrick Ewing is better than Kobe thread.:rolleyes:

[creepingdeath]

its like some kind of a 2011 flashback or something. i guess no one watched 2012


dirk sucked

the mavs sucked

holy fu*ck this is nostalgic to say the least.
http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/BoomPowSurprise13/Schwarzenegged1_zpsa50a43bc.gif

[avonbarksdale]

clearly kobe lol

[avonbarksdale]

why do people hate kobe so much i dont understand he is clearly better than dirk

[WockaVodka]

Inb4 question gets ignored.
:oldlol: Yeah I asked this guy what he does for a living since he is on here all day and he ignored me too. He probably read both of our posts but is pretending to have a life by taking a while to respond or not responding.

[LakersReign]

:oldlol: Yeah I asked this guy what he does for a living since he is on here all day and he ignored me too. He probably read both of our posts but is pretending to have a life by taking a while to respond or not responding.

He can't and most likely won't answer cuz his hypocrisy just slapped him right in the face. Both he and his ret**ded boyfriend rrr3, have been on my d**k for the last 9 months about my RL. Now, somebody asks him, and he hauls a**, like he has something to hide. You weren't supposed to be smart enough to ask that question. You're supposed to be like all the other ret**ds on here, who just takes anything and everything he says as the gospel....without question. He's been so busy(NOT talking about basketball) OBSESSING over me, and my life. Now he gets asked a simple, honest question, and he's running away like a little b***h. Doubt you'll ever get answer, cuz they're always "ghost" the minute they make themselves look stupid.

[RRR3]

He can't and most likely won't answer cuz his hypocrisy just slapped him right in the face. Both he and his ret**ded boyfriend rrr3, have been on my d**k for the last 9 months about my RL. Now, somebody asks him, and he hauls a**, like he has something to hide. You weren't supposed to be smart enough to ask that question. You're supposed to be like all the other ret**ds on here, who just takes anything and everything he says as the gospel....without question. He's been so busy(NOT talking about basketball) OBSESSING over me, and my life. Now he gets asked a simple, honest question, and he's running away like a little b***h. Doubt you'll ever get answer, cuz they're always "ghost" the minute they make themselves look stupid.
I am just going to point out that wockavodka is RG and I know for a fact you don't want to agree with him. Just keep that in mind.:cheers:

[red1]

I know the question is regarding them in present form, but since some people in this thread are discussing the differences between the two along their careers:

Peak Averages (2005-2006 season to 2007-2008 season)


Dirk

Points: 25 PPG
Rebounds: 9 RPG
Assists: 3 APG
FG%: 49%
TS%: 58%


Kobe

Points: 32 PPG
Rebounds: 6 RPG
Assists: 5 APG
Steals: 2 SPG
FG%: 46%
TS%: 57%
beast statline

[LakersReign]

I am just going to point out that wockavodka is RG and I know for a fact you don't want to agree with him. Just keep that in mind.:cheers:

Please:rolleyes:

I couldn't care less, cuz I unlike, you don't NEED people on here to agree with me. Whomever it is, they asked legends a question, and he bolted. Which is hypocritical as hell, since both he and you have been obsessed with my personal life, for some strange reason. But now, his personal life is somehow off-limits? Karma is a b***h, and eventually, all hypocrites get exposed.

[KOBE143]

How is Dirk currently better?

reg
Kobe 29 5 5 43%
dirk 22 7 2 45%

playoff
kobe 30 5 4 43% 0.2 blks 2,8 tos
dirk 26 7 2 44% 0 blks 2.5tos
duh.. Dirk had a better fg%, he's better.. :lol

[Tinseltime17]

Dirk, but it's not an insult to Kobe. Dirk is just a heck of a player.

[keepinitreal]

it depends on what your team needs are, but if you're just asking who is the better player today, i am going with kobe bryant (by a slight margin)

[raptorfan_dr07]

I'd take Dirk easily. Dirk's the better teammate/leader and he gets higher percentage shots despite being a jump shooter. He also knows that he's not in his prime anymore and doesn't continually jack up stupid shots and freeze his teammates out of the game. He's also very receptive to coaching.

Overall career or prime? Now that's a different story. But currently? Dirk no question.

[coin24]

Wow.. Obviously some of you didn't watch the mavs play last season:oldlol: dirk sucked ass.. He's had 1 decent run his whole career..

Kobe was the 2nd leading scorer in the league and had a top season. How the fu*k is it even close in some blind haters eyes.. Kobe is still top 5 in the league last season, dirk would be lucky to be top 15..
And before retards start with Kobe wasn't top 5 and start naming rose/wade/dwight blah blah, they were injured and had horrible seasons so stfu:oldlol:

[All Net]

If you are basing it off last year? Kobe and I don't think it is close. Dirk was well below par last season.

[RRR3]

Wow.. Obviously some of you didn't watch the mavs play last season:oldlol: dirk sucked ass.. He's had 1 decent run his whole career..

Kobe was the 2nd leading scorer in the league and had a top season. How the fu*k is it even close in some blind haters eyes.. Kobe is still top 5 in the league last season, dirk would be lucky to be top 15..
And before retards start with Kobe wasn't top 5 and start naming rose/wade/dwight blah blah, they were injured and had horrible seasons so stfu:oldlol:
Agreed with your post until you said Dwight wasn't better :facepalm

[coin24]

Agreed with your post until you said Dwight wasn't better :facepalm

Dwight started the season great, then he got injured. Im basing the top players over the whole season... Plus the whole Dwightmare BS was annoying, although, still cant believe hes playing for the Lakers:rockon: :banana: :banana:

[OmniStrife]

this guy prayed to god begging for kobe to lose in the 2009 and 2010 finals. then shat and pissed himself to sleep when god laughed in his face...
:roll:
God you're such a retard...

At least put up Kobe as,your avatar... it's pathetic.

[Cone]

Wow.. Obviously some of you didn't watch the mavs play last season:oldlol: dirk sucked ass.. He's had 1 decent run his whole career..

Kobe was the 2nd leading scorer in the league and had a top season. How the fu*k is it even close in some blind haters eyes.. Kobe is still top 5 in the league last season, dirk would be lucky to be top 15..
And before retards start with Kobe wasn't top 5 and start naming rose/wade/dwight blah blah, they were injured and had horrible seasons so stfu:oldlol:
Biggest retard on this forum.

First you say dirk is a career loser. Now this?? Are you still SO mad that Dirk swept LA?

You obviously never watched the mavs. Lol at you acting like you do. He was out of shape and dealt with injuries all season long but still managed to have a solid second half of the season. He didn't 'suck ass'. Easily top 10.

One decent run? He's had plenty great runs including arguably the greatest run of all time. A run that was much better than anything Kobe has ever had.

[coin24]

Biggest retard on this forum.

First you say dirk is a career loser. Now this?? Are you still SO mad that Dirk swept LA?

You obviously never watched the mavs. Lol at you acting like you do. He was out of shape and dealt with injuries all season long but still managed to have a solid second half of the season. He didn't 'suck ass'. Easily top 10.

One decent run? He's had plenty great runs including arguably the greatest run of all time. A run that was much better than anything Kobe has ever had.

:wtf: :wtf:

This has nothing to do with the Mavs sweeping the Lakers 2 years ago.:confusedshrug:
Dirk fans are so sensitive... For starters I said he was top 15, then you go on to say he was injured and out of shape, but hes top 10???:confusedshrug:

Its pretty common knowledge Dirk was labelled a gigantic choker up until his 1 great run. Yes it was a GREAT run, i said that previously also. BUT, it was only 1 year, he hasnt exactly done much else. Actually, I even went to a Mavs game last season so STFU retard...

[LBJ 23]

Actually, I even went to a Mavs game last season so STFU retard...

What this has to do with anything? You think your argument is more valid cuz you've seen Mavs(Dirk) play live?


To answer OP, I would take Kobe right now.

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What this has to do with anything? You think your argument is more valid cuz you've seen Mavs(Dirk) play live?


To answer OP, I would take Kobe right now.


It shows that im not just some Dirk/Mavs hater that never watched them play:confusedshrug: Like what cone was implying...

[LBJ 23]

It shows that im not just some Dirk/Mavs hater that never watched them play:confusedshrug: Like what cone was implying...


My bad, didn't read his post...

[Balla_Status]

Let me know when Kobe wins a playoff game against Dirk.

[Cone]

:wtf: :wtf:

This has nothing to do with the Mavs sweeping the Lakers 2 years ago.:confusedshrug:
Dirk fans are so sensitive... For starters I said he was top 15, then you go on to say he was injured and out of shape, but hes top 10???:confusedshrug:

Its pretty common knowledge Dirk was labelled a gigantic choker up until his 1 great run. Yes it was a GREAT run, i said that previously also. BUT, it was only 1 year, he hasnt exactly done
much else. Actually, I even went to a Mavs game last season so STFU retard...
Top 10 because he played great for the second half and lead a
really bad squad to the playoffs and gave some tough games to the WCF champs.

Dirk is rarely a choker. He had 1 choke in 07 but who doesnt have a bad series? 06 was bad but dirk played great and had a great run to the finals. Dirk has been very clutch for years...

Dirk has had plenty great playoff performances. Not just '11

He hasn't done much else?!?! :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf:Not everyone has stacked squads and can win 5 rings.

Still can't believe you once said dirk was a career loser. How the fk can you win a championship and be a career loser. Not even including all the great things dirk has done in his career.

[bizil]

I would still roll with Kobe. Still a supreme alpha dog scorer AND all around player in one. Dirk even at his peak was ONLY a supreme alpha dog scorer. Which isn't a bad thing because he was the supreme alpha dog PF of his era in my opinion. But both guys still are top ten guys in the L. Kobe I would take as high as 2 or 3 while Dirk is still a top ten guy. People get caught up in age and that's why I think Kobe and Dirk took a hit. But they are in their mid 30's, an age range where many IMMORTALS still dominated or were cream of the crop (ages 33-36):

MJ
Kareem
West
Wilt
Hondo
Barry
Bird
Mailman
Stockton
Hakeem
Sir Charles
Nique


I can go on and on. Mid 30's can still be peak level or backend prime play! Kobe and Dirk are prime candidates for this. MJ at 35 WAS STILL the best player in the L. So u can't go off age all the time. Especially when we have seen guys like Mailman, Stockton, MJ, and Kareem still as some of the premier players at their positions in the late 30's years of age to 40 range. Hell Magic at 36 was still damn awesome as well!