is it fair to say Kobe Bryant was also the best Point Guard over the last decade?

[kennethgriffin]

lets be honest. kobe was a scoring point guard much like derrick rose or a russell westbrook over the last decade

he was the main play maker for the lakers since nick van exel left

Derrick Fisher was a kick out three point shooter and rarely created for others ( thats an old school shooting guard )

Kobe brought the ball up the floor. started the offense and drew double teams to open up team mates or to swing the ball by getting the initial double team

the way the lakers offense worked in the phil jackson era was not good for collecting a ton of assists... the most guys ever get are 6 or 7 ( like pippen in his prime )

pippen back in the day was considered a point forward for his dutys as play maker

well what does that make kobe?


this means kobe bryant was the POINT GUARD for 5 world championships, 7 nba finals and was a league mvp

he set up shaq for 8 years

he set up gasol for 5 years

if they counted hockey assists kobe would have 15 per game due to the triangle often causing him to be the 3rd last man to touch the ball. it wasnt always a simplistic pick and roll. kobe never held the ball and stat padded with a 1 pass system like steve nash

but kobes gotten just as many wide open shots for others because of his play making ability.

it was his job... as the best PG in the nba.


:bowdown:

[livinglegend]

yes and he was also the best center

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

No, and you're an awful troll.

[kennethgriffin]

No, and you're an awful troll.
7th all time on the active career assists leaders


by the time kobes retired he should have around 6200 assists... good enough for 25th all time

i don't see how what kobe did is any different than what a russell westbrook is classified as for the thunder

and if the thunder won 5 rings over the next decade and westbrook lead the thunder in assists and scoring. he would be named the best pg of the decade


kobe is a pg/sg... he did it for 5 world titles...

[guy]

Better then Jordan, best point guard of the last decade, and 6th best player in the NBA currently :bowdown:

[kennethgriffin]

Better then Jordan, best point guard of the last decade, and 6th best player in the NBA currently :bowdown:


espn hates kobe... hes actually the 3rd best player according to majority opinion

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not bad for his 17th season

[BlackWhiteGreen]

espn hates kobe... hes actually the 3rd best player according to majority opinion

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa280/cashforcards/t543t543.png

not bad for his 17th season

its hilarious that Westbrook got more than double the 1st place votes that Paul did.

But no, Kobe is not a PG, in the same way LeBron isnt.

[cavsfanatic]

espn hates kobe... hes actually the 3rd best player according to majority opinion

not bad for his 17th season

Majority opinion don't mean shit. Lebron is easily the best player in the league but he doesn't have every #1 vote does he? it's call dick riders and Lakers fans. Kd is easily the 2nd best player. Kobe bout number 3 imo unless Wade healthy. No player should have a #1 vote except Lebron.

Durant ate Kobe breakfast in the semi-finals and Lebron ate Durant dinner during the finals.

[iamgine]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=56973

[guy]

espn hates kobe... hes actually the 3rd best player according to majority opinion

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa280/cashforcards/t543t543.png

not bad for his 17th season

The fans also almost voted Allen Iverson into the all-star game two years ago when he could barely get on an NBA team. Clearly the fans know more then ESPN, NBA GMs, and pretty much every analyst that actually gets paid for their knowledge and opinions.

[b1imtf]

The fans also almost voted Allen Iverson into the all-star game two years ago when he could barely get on an NBA team. Clearly the fans know more then ESPN, NBA GMs, and pretty much every analyst that actually gets paid for their knowledge and opinions.
Some of those aren't exactly bright, so... :lol

[KG215]

You did it Griff. You topped your "Why Kobe is better than Jordan" thread with an even stupider thread. You're on an insanely hot incredibly stupid thread streak right now, the likes of which may never be rivaled.

[kobeef24]

Another great Kobe thread from you. I love your unbiased and factually driven ideas.

[el gringos]

Another guy who doesn't understand positions are defensive- did Kobe cover pg's? Westbrook and rose do. True offensive basketball the players should be versatile enough to play all the roles- its defensively that the positions are seperated

[KG215]

Another guy who doesn't understand positions are defensive- did Kobe cover pg's? Westbrook and rose do. True offensive basketball the players should be versatile enough to play all the roles- its defensively that the positions are seperated

The OP doesn't understand a lot of basketball related stuff.

[Boston C's]

You did it Griff. You topped your "Why Kobe is better than Jordan" thread with an even stupider thread. You're on an insanely hot incredibly stupid thread streak right now, the likes of which may never be rivaled.


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[RRR3]

Update: leaders in TER (troll efficiency rating)

1. Kennethgriffin-31.9
2. Euroleague-28.6
3. 9erempiree-28.4
4. Miamithrice-27.7
5. Lakersreign-27.2
6. Alphawolf24-26.9
7. Pauk-26.5
8. Noosaman-25.1
9. Stallionaire-23.8
10. Yao ming's foot-23.4

[Boston C's]

Update: leaders in TER (troll efficiency rating)

1. Kennethgriffin-31.9
2. Euroleague-28.6
3. 9erempiree-28.4
4. Miamithrice-27.7
5. Lakersreign-27.2
6. Alphawolf24-26.9
7. Pauk-26.5
8. Noosaman-25.1
9. Stallionaire-23.8
10. Yao ming's foot-23.4


you dissapoint me bro...kobe143 is at least in the top 5...i have him in my top 3 :lol

[RRR3]

you dissapoint me bro...kobe143 is at least in the top 5...i have him in my top 3 :lol
He doesn't qualify yet not enough time. His TER is 28.7 btw

[kNIOKAS]

Update: leaders in TER (troll efficiency rating)

1. Kennethgriffin-31.9
2. Euroleague-28.6
3. 9erempiree-28.4
4. Miamithrice-27.7
5. Lakersreign-27.2
6. Alphawolf24-26.9
7. Pauk-26.5
8. Noosaman-25.1
9. Stallionaire-23.8
10. Yao ming's foot-23.4
good post, future rep.

[KG215]

Update: leaders in TER (troll efficiency rating)

1. Kennethgriffin-31.9
2. Euroleague-28.6
3. 9erempiree-28.4
4. Miamithrice-27.7
5. Lakersreign-27.2
6. Alphawolf24-26.9
7. Pauk-26.5
8. Noosaman-25.1
9. Stallionaire-23.8
10. Yao ming's foot-23.4

That's pretty accurate. We're just one Jordan scoring related thread away from YMF shooting up into the to 5-7.

And based on his last 50-75 posts it's hard to believe pauk isn't higher than top 5.

[Boston C's]

He doesn't qualify yet not enough time. His TER is 28.7 btw

lmao good to know...yea i suppose your right...he doesn't troll consistently enough like these other guys but when he does its somethin to remember

[Odinn]

You did it Griff. You topped your "Why Kobe is better than Jordan" thread with an even stupider thread. You're on an insanely hot incredibly stupid thread streak right now, the likes of which may never be rivaled.
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :roll:

[KG215]

yes and he was also the best center
Yeah, don't put it past Griff. This thread may be coming in the next few days.

[RRR3]

The biggest d**ksucking troll(rrr3) on ISH, trying to call other people trolls(rrr3)?

Oh...the hilarious ironic stupidity(rrr3):roll:
3 red bars

[Ruutu]

Kobe was better center than Shaq...proof ? I dont need proof its all in my head!

[kNIOKAS]

The biggest d**ksucking troll(rrr3) on ISH, trying to call other people trolls(rrr3)? You(rrr3) the same "good poster" who HAS TO defend the biggest trolls of ISH, like pauk, godzuki, lebron23 etc, just so that they can buy into your pathetic lies(cuzthey're) way too stupid to know any better)....is going to try and sit there, calling other people trolls(rrr3)?

Oh...the hilarious ironic stupidity(rrr3):roll:
jesus if you even try to make a comeback, why would you put it in this crazy incoherent sentences? this is absurd

future neg

[Overdrive]

Damn they should've gotten Ray Allen instead of Nash.

[jlip]

He's also been simultaneously the best shortstop, running back, and goalie ever. Come to think of it, he may actually have the most touchdowns in World Series history.

[Kblaze8855]

Stop this.....

[KyrieTheFuture]

Going on ISH should be considered research on patients suffering from psychosis

[Levity]

Stop this.....

you know he wont. which is too bad, because all these kobe threads are making me want to like kobe less.

[imdaman99]

its hilarious that Westbrook got more than double the 1st place votes that Paul did.

But no, Kobe is not a PG, in the same way LeBron isnt.
i don't know what kinda calculator you used to figure that out, but my math goes a little differently :lol

81 x 2 = 162
162 >>>> 112


and griffin... you are to kobe what pauk is to lebron :facepalm

[SwayDizzle]

you know he wont. which is too bad, because all these kobe threads are making me want to like kobe less.
why should they? think for yourself

[KyrieTheFuture]

Yeah....I know...right? With morons like the idiot in that quote, on here PRETENDING to be a doctor, diagnosing people, with IMAGINARY illnesses, INSTEAD of talking about the NBA. A better case study with be his boyfriends, running around offering g*y sex on an NBA forum as well. Since they're delusional enough to think it's supposedly a great place to pick on guys. Also...INSTEAD of talking about the NBA:applause:

Sheer mind boggling stupidity(the ret**d above me):roll:
I seem to have hit a nerve.

[Levity]

why should they? think for yourself

ok boss.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Yeah...my funny bone...cuz that's some really stupid sh*t you(kyrie) just posted. "Log on to an NBA forum, and come let me(kyrie) diagnose you. But I'm(kyrie) NOT a real doctor....I(kyrie) just PRETEND to be one on ISH":roll:
I didn't even mention you in my post and you got offended. The signs are all there buddy and researching doctors don't diagnose patients. They research already diagnosed patients.

[red1]

OP is kobe himself

[mehyaM24]

If you can't see the humor in an OBVIOUS mentally disturbed individual(kyrie), coming online, PRETENDING to be a doctor...."diagnosing" people...with IMAGINARY illnesses. All while, trying to call other people, crazy....you(mehyma) have some issues of your own you(mehyma) need to deal with:hammerhead:

hate to break it to you...

but "normal people" don't laugh at the mentally disturbed for talking to themselves.

[kennethgriffin]

the most successful playmaker over the last decade is kobe bryant

he takes the responsibility of pg and sg on offense... and allot of the time will take turns defending the other teams big pg's...

kobes a PG/SG


why is this so hard to understand?


what did fisher do that was considered being a PG other than being shorter... he was a black hole on offense. shot every time kobe passed him the ball... when did fisher ever run a pick and roll or draw a double team lol

fisher was the SHOOTING GUARD

[KG215]

the most successful playmaker over the last decade is kobe bryant

he takes the responsibility of pg and sg on offense... and allot of the time will take turns defending the other teams big pg's...

kobes a PG/SG


why is this so hard to understand?


what did fisher do that was considered being a PG other than being shorter... he was a black hole on offense. shot every time kobe passed him the ball... when did fisher ever run a pick and roll or draw a double team lol

fisher was the SHOOTING GUARD

You can't honestly believe this nonsensical bullshit. Just because Fisher was a shitty point-guard (in the true sense of what makes a PG: passing, playmaking, facilitating, etc.) doesn't mean Kobe was the best PG in the NBA the entire last decade.

Just stop it. You're embarrassing yourself.

[mehyaM24]

Normal people don't have an INORDINATE of amout of free time on their hands to CONSTANTLY troll the internet with sock puppet accounts, like you(mehyam) OBVIOUSLY do. Shut the **** up:roll:

so then why are you still posting here, or at me for that matter? Lol it's because you're guilty. Good boy

[kennethgriffin]

You can't honestly believe this nonsensical bullshit.


so kobe wasnt the main play maker for 5 world championships?

2000 - leader in assists/apg
2001 - leader in assists/apg
2002 - leader in assists/apg
2009 - leader in assists/apg
2010 - leader in assists/apg

you're saying fisher wasnt a black hole on offense that just sat in the corner for wide open threes?

kobe wasnt the guy running pick and rolls and drawing doubles/ bringing the ball up and handling it like a pg?


ok kg215... prove me wrong

[KG215]

so kobe wasnt the main play maker for 5 world championships?



That doesn't make him the best PG of the last decade dumbass. He led the team in assists because he was a ball-dominant guard playing alongside a non-traditional shoot-first guard/PG - whatever you want to classify Fisher as. Winning five championships in that role does not make him the best PG of the decade.

God, your stupidity knows no end.

[kennethgriffin]

That doesn't make him the best PG of the last decade you dumbass. He led the team in assists because he was a ball-dominant guard playing alongside a non-traditional shoot-first guard/PG - whatever you want to classify Fisher as. Winning five championships in that role does not make him the best PG of the decade.

God, your stupidity knows no end.


like i said... if a scoring playmaker like westbrook can be labled a scoring PG and if the thunder won 5 titles with him leading them in assists and scoring... he would be named the best pg of the decade...


kobe is a PG/SG.... its like duncan being the best PF/C .... at one time you could say he was both the best center and power forward..


well when kobe wins hes the best at playmaking/scoring while taking over most of a PG's responsibilities... and if hes the most successful at it then hes the best at it

kobes always been more of a scoring PG than a traditional SG

[AlonzoGOAT]

Pauk threads are 10x better then this.

[KG215]

like i said... if a scoring playmaker like westbrook can be labled a scoring PG and if the thunder won 5 titles with him leading them in assists and scoring... he would be named the best pg of the decade...


kobe is a PG/SG.... its like duncan being the best PF/C .... at one time you could say he was both the best center and power forward..


well when kobe wins hes the best at playmaking/scoring while taking over most of a PG's responsibilities... and if hes the most successful at it then hes the best at it

kobes always been more of a scoring PG than a traditional SG

You're pathetic. Seriously, you're the worst poster on ISH. Your threads and subsequent posts make pauk threads look brilliant in comparison.

You're the first person I've ever heard try to classify Kobe as a scoring PG.

[mehyaM24]

Of course. Got b***hslapped so hard...all he(mehyam) could think of to say now is ...duh huh duh huh duh huh....u mad?, like the pure ret**d(mehyam) he so obviously is. But remember now, I'm supposedly "feeling guilty.":roll:

Sheer stupidity(mehyam):hammerhead:

so why else are you responding? you already admitted you laugh at mental patients. you are clearly guilty. :oldlol:

[kennethgriffin]

Pauk threads are 10x better then this.


i'm not trolling. i'm actually trying to convince people that kobe was a great play maker... nobody seems to take it seriously..

kobe ran point on offense... i know cause the stats and possessions show it ... and i watched the games for 17 years

[Legends66NBA7]

Why hasn't this thread been locked or deleted yet ?

[kennethgriffin]

Why hasn't this thread been locked or deleted yet ?

because you touch yourself


often

[pauk]

See what i mean Kblaze? :)

[AlphaWolf24]

Stop this.....
Y U get so butthurt on every Kobe thread Griff makes?

seriously....go delete all the "Ish's GOAT" threads we have to sift through every week...

[9erempiree]

Everyone knows Kobe is a fantastic passer and could be considered a scoring PG but as we all know, the haters will always say anything to discredit or not give credit to.

[mehyaM24]

Yep...your(mehyam) boyfriends(rrr3, pauk, 32dayz/miamithrice)...and you(mehyam) IMMEDIATELY started cryin' like a little b***h. Butthurt much?:lol

normal people don't laugh at the mentally disturbed...they DONT give themselves 'soul reaver' titles either. creepy...

[mehyaM24]

Guess we can't all be "firends" like you(mehyam) LYING to them and telling them it's perfectly normal behavior to come on an NBA forum and PRETEND to be a doctor....right? With firneds like you a person wouldn't need enemies:rolleyes:

Dumba**(mehyam):hammerhead:

that's right lakersreign. it certainly isnt normal to laugh at the mentally ill.

having creepy pedo avatars doesnt help your case bro. :wtf:

[KG215]

And here come the other Kobe stans to their leader's rescue.

[mehyaM24]

You(mehyam) tried that one already:sleeping

so then why are you still posting here sandusky?

[kennethgriffin]

its shocking how easly some peoples pantys get bunched up inbetween their butthole every time kobes name is mentioned on ISH

theyre making me look like some ultimate troll when all i did was say something positive about kobes play making ability.

you're all giving me way too much credit and making me out to be some kind of legend

but its not me... its you

you're mostly all babies. you're trolling yourselves

[mehyaM24]

AND....there go the depsration "grasping at straws" cuz he's(mehyam) out of gas people (yawn):sleeping

i have you freaking out all over the place. you keep talking about how lame i am, but i keep making you post furiously. lol

[KG215]

its shocking how easly some peoples pantys get bunched up inbetween their butthole every time kobes name is mentioned on ISH
Our "pantys get bunched" when you mention Kobe because of threads like his where you claim Kobe is the best point-guard of the last decade. If you want to have an objective non-slanted discussion about Kobe, I think I and many others would oblige.


theyre making me look like some ultimate troll when all i did was say something positive about kobes play making ability.
Read the title of your thread again. That's why people are making you out as some "ultimate troll." To suggest Kobe is the best PG of the last decade really is the breaking point with you. You've started who knows how many incredibly ignorant threads the last few weeks, but this one takes the cake.

You sensationalize everything involving Kobe. you start threads titled "Why Kobe is better than Jordan" or "Is it fair to say Kobe was also the best PG of the last decade" and get upset when people call you a troll.


you're all giving me way too much credit and making me out to be some kind of legend

but its not me... its you

you're mostly all babies. you're trolling yourselves
Grow-up and get over yourself. Your obsession with one player is creepy. The immaturity you display when people call you on your ignorance also reflects poorly on the one player you're trying to prop up. Any objective and sensible NBA fan will not deny Kobe's greatness. Your constant thread-starting trying to convince us he was even better is what pushes people to call you a troll (which you are, that's obvious) and, in general, just make a mockery out of your threads.

[Kblaze8855]

See what i mean Kblaze? :)

No. all the same basic thing.


Y U get so butthurt on every Kobe thread Griff makes?

Read the contents of this topic. Every topic this guy makes is pretty much this.

And I dont even know who the guy with all the emoticons and bold font and so on is....but pretty much every topic ive ever seen him in is horrible and turns into this. And it seems he pops up in Kobe topics.

Its just...awful.

These topics are painful to read.


seriously....go delete all the "Ish's GOAT" threads we have to sift through every week...

Far far far more reasonable discussion there than this bullshit:



So....you(kyrie) ADMIT to being on here....talking to....nobody in particular. Then PRETENDING to be a doctor....diagnosing people, with IMAGINARY illnesses. All on an NBA forum, instead of talking about the NBA? Then tries to call all that "normal behavior?":roll:

Absolute sheer stupidity(kyrie):facepalm


Really...what the hell? what is it about Kobe and Lebron topics that spark these things?

Every topic like this gets deleted...because they end up exactly what this is. People e-yelling and acting a fool because of online "beef" with the other side.

[MetsPackers]

wow, just a collection of the worst posters on ISH right here

mods should keep this thread open so they don't spill into the other threads

[9erempiree]

its shocking how easly some peoples pantys get bunched up inbetween their butthole every time kobes name is mentioned on ISH

theyre making me look like some ultimate troll when all i did was say something positive about kobes play making ability.

you're all giving me way too much credit and making me out to be some kind of legend

but its not me... its you

you're mostly all babies. you're trolling yourselves

This is very true.

What we are doing as fans of one of the greatest players in basketball history is to recognize his accomplishments and reflect and all time great career.

These people on here are failing to realize this because they are just kids and caught up in the moment currently without reflecting on what they are witnessing.

ISH does make me feel like a god because they make it seem like we are some great trolls but we are only stating the obvious.

[ballup]

So these guys named Jason, Steve, Deron, and Chris are all just parts of our imaginations right?

[TheBigVeto]

lets be honest. kobe was a scoring point guard much like derrick rose or a russell westbrook over the last decade

he was the main play maker for the lakers since nick van exel left

Derrick Fisher was a kick out three point shooter and rarely created for others ( thats an old school shooting guard )

Kobe brought the ball up the floor. started the offense and drew double teams to open up team mates or to swing the ball by getting the initial double team

the way the lakers offense worked in the phil jackson era was not good for collecting a ton of assists... the most guys ever get are 6 or 7 ( like pippen in his prime )

pippen back in the day was considered a point forward for his dutys as play maker

well what does that make kobe?


this means kobe bryant was the POINT GUARD for 5 world championships, 7 nba finals and was a league mvp

he set up shaq for 8 years

he set up gasol for 5 years

if they counted hockey assists kobe would have 15 per game due to the triangle often causing him to be the 3rd last man to touch the ball. it wasnt always a simplistic pick and roll. kobe never held the ball and stat padded with a 1 pass system like steve nash

but kobes gotten just as many wide open shots for others because of his play making ability.

it was his job... as the best PG in the nba.


:bowdown:


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[kNIOKAS]

lets be honest. kobe was a scoring point guard much like derrick rose or a russell westbrook over the last decade

he was the main play maker for the lakers since nick van exel left

Derrick Fisher was a kick out three point shooter and rarely created for others ( thats an old school shooting guard )

Kobe brought the ball up the floor. started the offense and drew double teams to open up team mates or to swing the ball by getting the initial double team

the way the lakers offense worked in the phil jackson era was not good for collecting a ton of assists... the most guys ever get are 6 or 7 ( like pippen in his prime )

pippen back in the day was considered a point forward for his dutys as play maker

well what does that make kobe?


this means kobe bryant was the POINT GUARD for 5 world championships, 7 nba finals and was a league mvp

he set up shaq for 8 years

he set up gasol for 5 years

if they counted hockey assists kobe would have 15 per game due to the triangle often causing him to be the 3rd last man to touch the ball. it wasnt always a simplistic pick and roll. kobe never held the ball and stat padded with a 1 pass system like steve nash

but kobes gotten just as many wide open shots for others because of his play making ability.

it was his job... as the best PG in the nba.


:bowdown:
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[LakersReign]

Really...what the hell? what is it about Kobe and Lebron topics that spark these things?

Every topic like this gets deleted...because they end up exactly what this is. People e-yelling and acting a fool because of online "beef" with the other side.

I'm not even going to bother to try and debate this, cuz I already see it's a lost cause. All I'm going to say is this, and take it anyway you want. You'd have better moral footing to stand on, if you can find at least 20 threads, posted by me, on the NBA forum, NOT talking about basketball. And I challenge you as a mod to go find them. So...you delete my posts cuz of "online beefs" but you don't feel the need to delete the other posts, that had nothing to do with the thread....right? Trying to put water in a bucket, with a big visible hole in it. Then getting mad when it doesn't fill, while at the same time making no effort to fix the hole, makes absolutely no sense. SMH:rolleyes:


AND....the idiotic post below, just confirms what I just said. See, that's always going to be the major problem with double standards. Regardless of what you do, people will STILL eventually see your hypocrisy:applause:

[KyrieTheFuture]

I understand why this thread was made. You mad Kobe can't be the best SG ever so now you gotta reclassify him and call him the GOAT PG. Can't wait for that thread to pop up in a few days.

[pauk]

No. all the same basic thing.


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[livingby3's]

Problem here is the choice of the word best.
so Kobe's a better PG than say Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Chris Paul? he ran the Lakers' offense you can argue him as a PG all u want but in no way people will buy that shit he's the best Point Guard over the last decade.