Bwin Ratings Of Every Euroleague 2012-13 Player On A Scale Of 100

[Euroleague]

Bwin has released their annual list of ratings for all Euroleague players (on a 100 point scale).

The list will be updated next week, to also include Cantu players, as they were the last team to qualify to Euroleague.

Since this forum of 99% NBA only fans is always making stupid threads like, "Hilton Armstrong is the Wilt Chamberlain of Euroleague" - maybe some of you clown fools that claim to be knowledgeable about Euroleague basketball (but actually don't know the first thing about it) should educate yourselves a bit by looking through the list.

You should note, the numbers of NBA players and NBA draft picks that rank low on the list. You should also note the numerous NBA rotation players that rank low on this list, even with one of them down at #140.

And for those clowns here who say that the NBA D-League is better than the Euroleague, please note that NBA D-League MVP, Curtis Stinson, sits at #145 on this list.


The current list is:


Bwin Euroleague 2012-13 player ratings:


(players rated from 50-100):


1. Vassilis Spanoulis - 100
2. Nenad Krstic - 94
3. Bo McCalebb - 92
4. Dimitris Diamantidis - 90
5. Erazem Lorbek - 88
6. Milos Teodosic - 85
7. Juan Carlos Navarro - 81
8. Rudy Fernandez - 80
9. Nikola Mirotic - 80
10. Sonny Weems - 77
11. Mike Batiste - 75
12. Viktor Khryapa - 75
13. Fernando San Emeterrio - 73
14. Jordan Farmar - 73
15. Dusko Savanovic - 73
16. Marcelinho Huertas - 72
17. David Andersen - 72
18. Maciej Lampe - 72
19. Sofoklis Schortsanitis - 71
20. Malik Hairston - 71
21. Ioannis Bourousis - 70
22. Andres Nocioni - 70
23. Keith Langford - 70
24. Ksistof Lavrinovic - 69
25. Zoran Planinic - 68
26. Paul Davis - 68
27. Pete Mickeal - 67
28. Georgios Printezis - 65
29. Marko Popovic - 65
30. Jaycee Carroll - 65
31. Sasha Vujacic - 65
32. Romain Sato - 65
33. Ronnie Seibutis - 64
34. Blake Schilb - 64
35. Sergio Llull - 63
36. Lior Eliyahu - 63
37. Kostas Papanikolaou - 62
38. Bojan Bogdanovic - 62
39. Bostjan Nachbar - 62
40. Antonis Fotsis - 61
41. Devin Smith - 61
42. Nik Caner-Medley - 61
43. Roko Ukic - 60
44. Rimantas Kaukenas - 60
45. Felipe Reyes - 60
46. Vitaly Fridzon - 58
47. Jonas Maciulis - 58
48. David Moss - 58
49. Aaron Jackson - 58
50. Richard Hendrix - 58
51. Marcus Slaughter - 58
52. Kyle Hines - 57
53. Omar Cook - 57
54. Yogev Oyahon - 57
55. Stanko Barac - 57
56. Darjus Lavrinovic - 57
57. Andy Panko - 56
58. Luka Zoric - 56
59. David Logan - 56
60. Sarunas Jasikevicius - 55
61. Nathan Jawai - 55
62. Curtis Jerrells - 55
63. KC Rivers - 55
64. Tremmell Darden - 55
65. Giorgi Shermadini - 54
66. Fran Vazquez - 54
67. Mantas Kalnietis - 54
68. Dontaye Draper - 54
69. DaShaun Wood - 54
70. Sylven Landesberg - 54
71. Acie Law - 53
72. Mario Kasun - 53
73. Luksa Andric - 53
74. Bracey Wright - 53
75. Oliver Lafayette - 53
76. Sharrod Ford - 53
77. Joey Dorsey - 52
78. Kresimir Loncar - 52
79. Andrey Vorontsevich - 52
80. Krunoslav Simon - 52
81. Drew Nicholas - 52
82. Carlos Cabezas - 52
83. Bobby Brown - 52
84. Julian Khazzouh - 52
85. James Gist - 52
86. Jamon Lucas - 51
87. Emir Preldzic - 51
88. Marko Tomas - 51
89. Paulius Jankunas - 51
90. Semih Erden - 51
91. Hilton Armstrong - 51
92. James Augustine - 51
93. Ante Tomic - 50
94. Vladimir Micov - 50
95. Earl Calloway - 50
96. Damir Markota - 50
97. Shelden Williams - 50
98. Deon Thompson - 50
99. Mindaugas Katelynas - 50
100. Ricky Hickman - 50
101. Zach Morley - 50
102. Dragan Milosavljevic - 50
103. Drew Gordon - 50


(players rated from 35-49):


104. Kerem Tunceri - 49
105. Tibor Pleiss - 49
106. Maik Zirbes - 49
107. Petteri Koponen - 48
108. Vladimir Dasic - 48
109. Joe Ingles - 48
110. Vule Avdalovic - 48
111. Zoran Erceg - 48
112. Patrick Christopher - 48
113. Sergio Rodriguez - 47
114. Viktor Sanikidze - 47
115. Guy Pnini - 47
116. Marcelus Kemp - 47
117. Txemi Urtasun - 47
118. Marcus Denmon - 47
119. Dejan Ivanov - 47
120. Marques Green - 47
121. Nathan Peavy - 47
122. Sergey Monya - 46
123. Anton Gavel - 46
124. Leon Radosevic - 46
125. Zoran Dragic - 46
126. Marcus Williams - 46
127. Mickael Gelabale - 46
128. Carlos Suarez - 46
129. Milko Bjelica - 46
130. Esteban Batista - 46
131. Taylor Rochestie - 46
132. Predrag Suput - 46
133. Drew Viney - 46
134. Nihad Djedovic - 45
135. Stratos Perperoglou - 45
136. Pero Antic - 45
137. Kostas Sloukas - 45
138. Brad Oleson - 45
139. Aron Baynes - 45
140. Casey Jacobsen - 45
141. Kosta Perovic - 45
142. AJ Ogilvy - 45
143. Steed Tchicamboud - 45
144. Ilian Evtimov - 45
145. Curtis Stinson - 45
146. Oguz Savas - 44
147. Sergi Vidal - 44
148. Derwin Kitchen - 44
149. Goran Suton - 44
150. Omer Onan - 43
151. Gasper Vidmar - 43
152. Victor Sada - 43
153. Marty Pocius - 43
154. Aleksandar Rasic - 43
155. Fabien Causeur - 43
156. Mirza Begic - 43
157. Predrag Samardziski - 43
158. Teddy Gipson - 43
159. Dominic Waters - 43
160. Jerel Blassingame - 43
161. Robertas Javtokas - 42
162. Kerem Gonlum - 42
163. Nemanja Nedovic - 42
164. Davis Bertans - 42
165. Matt Janning - 42
166. Kaya Peker - 42
167. Frank Robinson - 42
168. Torey Thomas - 42
169. Sasu Salin - 42
170. Dylan Page - 42
171. Dimitrios Mavroeidis - 41
172. Benjamin Eze - 41
173. Matt Nielsen - 41
174. Baris Ermis - 41
175. Lukasz Koszarek - 41
176. Sasha Kaun - 40
177. Dino Muric - 40
178. Dejan Musli - 40
179. Sinan Guler - 39
180. Marko Car - 39
181. Heiko Schaffartzik - 38
182. Gianluca Basile - 38
183. Daniel Hackett - 38
184. Nemanja Bjelica - 38
185. Adam Hrycaniuk - 38
186. Cehver Ozer - 38
187. Vladimir Lucic - 38
188. Mike Bramos - 37
189. Alessandro Gentile - 37
190. Arturas Jomantas - 37
191. Yassin Idbihi - 37
192. Shawn James - 37
193. Marko Cakarevic - 37
194. Mindaugas Kuzminskas - 37
195. Janis Blums - 36
196. Teemu Rannikko - 36
197. Djordje Gagic - 36
198. Marino Bazdaric - 36
199. Vangelis Mantzaris - 35
200. CJ Wallace - 35
201. Leo Westermann - 35
202. Alexey Zhukanenko - 35
203. Steponas Babrauskas - 35
204. Piotr Szczkota - 35
205. Danilo Andjusic - 35


(players rated 34 and below):


206. Nicolo Melli - 34
207. Xavi Rabaseda - 34
208. Nemanja Besovic - 34
209. Marco Carraretto - 33
210. Tomas Ress - 33
211. Dogus Balbay - 33
212. J Bam - 32
213. Piotr Pamula - 32
214. Philipp Neumann - 32
215. Martynas Gecevicius - 31
216. Kristjan Kangur - 31
217. Albert Miralles - 31
218. Kostas Tsartsaris - 30
219. Rok Stipcevic - 30
220. Charis Giannopoulos - 30
221. Aleksey Zozulin - 30
222. Thomas Heurtel - 30
223. Bogdan Bogdanovic - 30
224. Miro Bilan - 30
225. Tutku Acik - 29
226. Vilmantas Dilys - 29
227. Ilkan Karaman - 28
228. Jacopo Giachetti - 28
229. Tadas Klimavicius - 28
230. Luka Babic - 28
231. Branislav Djekic - 28
232. Adas Juskevicius - 28
233. Deividas Dulkys - 27
234. Alex Abrines - 27
235. Augusto Lima - 27
236. Muratcan Guler - 27
237. Robert Witka - 26
238. Jeff Foote - 26
239. Simas Buterlevicius - 26
240. Can Akin - 25
241. Dmitry Sokolov - 25
242. Dimitry Khvostov - 25
243. Emir Sulejmanovic - 25
244. Dovydas Redikas - 24
245. Nicolas Lang - 24
246. John Goldsberry - 22
247. Gaios Skordilis - 22
248. Anton Ponkrashov - 21
249. Evgeniy Voronov - 21
250. Ermal Kuqo - 20
251. Egor Vyaltsev - 20
252. Jan Mocnik - 20
253. Jordan Abodou - 20
254. Mateusz Ponitka - 20
255. Sven Schultze - 19
256. Jaka Blazic - 19
257. Ulysse Adjagba - 18
258. Joffrey Lauvergne - 17
259. Dimitrios Katsivelis - 16
260. Drazen Bubnic - 16
261. Klemen Prepelic - 15
262. Karsten Tadda - 15
263. Mario Delas - 15
264. Berkay Candan - 15
265. Vassilis Xanthopoulos - 14
266. Vytenis Lipkevicius - 14
267. Vincent Gaillard - 14
268. Joey Ney - 13
269. Marko Todorovic - 12
270. Benjamin-Pavel Dudu - 12
271. Tomasz Snieg - 12
272. David Chiotti - 11
273. Daniel Schmidt - 11
274. Anton Pushkov 10
275. Moran Roth - 10
276. Luca Lechthaler - 10
277. Alen Omic - 10
278. Erbil Eroglu - 9
279. Birkan Batur -8

[Kblaze8855]

So what is happening over there that allows Nenad Krstic to be #2? Is he used very differently? Just on a great team he gets undue credit for? what is it?

[TheMarkMadsen]

NBA scrubs Sonny weems & Kristic are top 10 euro players :oldlol:

Keith Langford top 25 euro league player haha

[Euroleague]

So what is happening over there that allows Nenad Krstic to be #2? Is he used very differently? Just on a great team he gets undue credit for? what is it?

Why did he average 16/7 in the NBA regular season and 18/8 in the NBA playoffs when he played with Jason Kidd?

Why did he average 15/6 in the Euroleague when he played with Milos Teodosic?

Why did he not average those numbers in either league when he played with other points guards?

[IGOTGAME]

Either this ranking is ass or the Euroleague is worst than I thought it was. Spanoulis shouldn't be the best player in any elite league.

[Euroleague]

NBA scrubs Sonny weems & Kristic are top 10 euro players :oldlol:

Keith Langford top 25 euro league player haha

I love how you just ignore all the NBA rotation players that are ranked way down on the list. Nice selective reading to support your trolling.

Also, Goran Dragic, Ricky Rubio, Ty Lawson, Brandon Jennings - all of them were Euroleague scrubs and are considered among the best point guards in the NBA.

So what exactly is your point?

[Euroleague]

Either this ranking is ass or the Euroleague is worst than I thought it was. Spanoulis shouldn't be the best player in any elite league.

He was the best player against Team USA and beat them, and he totally owned Chris Paul head to head, outscoring him by 22 to 3 in the game.

Box Score for proof --->

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/06_wcm/scheResu/p/eventid/3507/gamename/A/groupname/75/langlc/en/roundid/5152/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html

So if what you say is true, then Chris Paul should not even be playing in any elite league, let alone be considered one of the best players in one.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Such a joke oh my god.

[Segatti]

He was the best player against Team USA and beat them, and he totally owned Chris Paul head to head, outscoring him by 22 to 3 in the game.

Box Score for proof --->

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/06_wcm/scheResu/p/eventid/3507/gamename/A/groupname/75/langlc/en/roundid/5152/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html

So if what you say is true, then Chris Paul should not even be playing in any elite league, let alone be considered one of the best players in one.

Yeah, ignore the fact that Chris paul was playing with the best scorers in the world on his team. And one game sample? :lol

[red1]

Such a joke oh my god.
:roll: I have never seen somebody ether themselves like this before

[IGOTGAME]

He was the best player against Team USA and beat them, and he totally owned Chris Paul head to head, outscoring him by 22 to 3 in the game.

Box Score for proof --->

http://www.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/06_wcm/scheResu/p/eventid/3507/gamename/A/groupname/75/langlc/en/roundid/5152/fe_scheStat_boxScor.html

So if what you say is true, then Chris Paul should not even be playing in any elite league, let alone be considered one of the best players in one.



1. CP3 was basically rookie. This game took place 3 or 4 months after his rookie season. No one was calling CP3 an elite player at that point.

2. No one on that team had any chemistry. You can't really take much from a pg taking advantage of poor pick and roll defense of young players who never played together.

3. We have seen what he has done when put into an NBA environment. Remainder, he could not win a starting spot.

We all know that the top NBA players would start for any team in Euroleague. LOL at Lebron deciding to play in this league and losing out on a starting spot.

Spau came over here and put up 2.7 ppg, .9 assists, .7 rpg...all this on 31 percent from the field and 17 percent from the 3 point line.

[Euroleague]

1. CP3 was basically rookie. This game took place 3 or 4 months after his rookie season. No one was calling CP3 an elite player at that point.

2. No one on that team had any chemistry. You can't really take much from a pg taking advantage of poor pick and roll defense of young players who never played together.

3. We have seen what he has done when put into an NBA environment. Remainder, he could not win a starting spot.

We all know that the top NBA players would start for any team in Euroleague. LOL at Lebron deciding to play in this league and losing out on a starting spot.

Spau came over here and put up 2.7 ppg, .9 assists, .7 rpg...all this on 31 percent from the field and 17 percent from the 3 point line.

How funny you are, so now it's the "top NBA players could start in Euroleague". Before this thread was posted, listing all the NBA rotation players that are listed way down on this list...........

it was, "Brian Scalabrine would be prime Wilt Chamberlain in Euroleague".

Now it is revised to, "the top NBA players could start in Euroleague".


The only thing more pathetic than the trolling of you clowns, is that you somehow actually think you are winning these arguments and not being made to look like complete idiots. You are so delusional that you actually think you come across with insight.

:roll:

[gabepizza]

Why did he average 16/7 in the NBA regular season and 18/8 in the NBA playoffs when he played with Jason Kidd?

Why did he average 15/6 in the Euroleague when he played with Milos Teodosic?

Why did he not average those numbers in either league when he played with other points guards?

Again don't let Euroleague stats fool you. Remember in Euroleague the game is 8 minutes shorter. So Krstic's 15/6 in Euroleague made him the best center in the league while his 16/7 in the NBA didn't even get him voted to an all-star game.

If Kirilenko was still in Euroleague he would be number 1.

Also poster Euroleague likes to show boxscores from 6 years ago. Well he is one from this summer.

http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/gid/A/grid/13/rid/9051/sid/6229/game.html

(just click on boxscore under the picture) You will see that team Greece, with the #1 Euroleague player, Spanoulis, along with the "best center" Bourousis were eliminated by Nigeria in a playoffs. Yes ladies and gentlemen, that same Nigerian team that lost to the US by 83 points in the Olympics. People watching that game asked, how did this Nigerian team even get in the Olympics? Well by beating the best Euroleague player with 3 other players from the Euroleague champion plus the best center in Euroleague.

So yes, looking at box scores we can all judge the level of Euroleague.

[gabepizza]

It's also funny Euroleague is actually using this list. Because on this list it shows that Krstic is the best center at #2 while Bourousis is at #21. So therefore Krstic is a lot better than Bourousis. Maybe Krstic could have gotten a few more defensive rebounds against Nigeria eh?

[BuffaloBill]

Trash reported.



This trash belongs in the trashcan, aka the International basketball forum.

[gabepizza]

Jordan Farmar #14 lol

Euroleague is even weaker than I thought that Farmer could be 14!!

[Euroleague]

Again don't let Euroleague stats fool you. Remember in Euroleague the game is 8 minutes shorter. So Krstic's 15/6 in Euroleague made him the best center in the league while his 16/7 in the NBA didn't even get him voted to an all-star game.

If Kirilenko was still in Euroleague he would be number 1.

Also poster Euroleague likes to show boxscores from 6 years ago. Well he is one from this summer.

http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/gid/A/grid/13/rid/9051/sid/6229/game.html

(just click on boxscore under the picture) You will see that team Greece, with the #1 Euroleague player, Spanoulis, along with the "best center" Bourousis were eliminated by Nigeria in a playoffs. Yes ladies and gentlemen, that same Nigerian team that lost to the US by 83 points in the Olympics. People watching that game asked, how did this Nigerian team even get in the Olympics? Well by beating the best Euroleague player with 3 other players from the Euroleague champion plus the best center in Euroleague.

So yes, looking at box scores we can all judge the level of Euroleague.

Wow, you are a sick individual.

Just the other day you claimed that Mantzaris and Papanikoloau were among the top 4-5 players in Euroleague............

Now it's Spanoulis and "blah, blah, blah".

You change your stories and flip flop and change your positions more than Willard Mittens Romney does.

:facepalm :facepalm

[TheMarkMadsen]

I love how you just ignore all the NBA rotation players that are ranked way down on the list. Nice selective reading to support your trolling.

Also, Goran Dragic, Ricky Rubio, Ty Lawson, Brandon Jennings - all of them were Euroleague scrubs and are considered among the best point guards in the NBA.

So what exactly is your point?


I'm not about to discuss basketball with somebody who thinks a leauge dominated by nba scrubs is the best basketball league in the world.

You're points are null & void, Ty Lawson played college ball at unc & then was drafted into the L, you must be referencing a pretty small sample size for him.

Jennings was an 18 year old kid who moved to another country & played like 5 minutes a game.

Ricky Rubio started for spains national team at like what 16 years old? No 16 year old could ever start for the USA team.

Rubio is one of the most hyped Euro players to come out in a while, he made his mark by balling up as a 14 year old against the "prestigous" euroleague


Nobody in the top 10 of that list could even be a productive 6th man in the NBA.

[Euroleague]

Trash reported.



This trash belongs in the trashcan, aka the International basketball forum.

26 NBA rotation players in Euroleague.......numerous other former NBA players in Euroleague, numerous other NBA draft picks in Euroleague.......

and you deduct that somehow, discussing how they stand in Euroleague isn't an NBA related topic, and can only be considered an, "international topic".

Right, nice logic and reasoning skills.

:rolleyes:

[IGOTGAME]

How funny you are, so now it's the "top NBA players could start in Euroleague". Before this thread was posted, listing all the NBA rotation players that are listed way down on this list...........

it was, "Brian Scalabrine would be prime Wilt Chamberlain in Euroleague".

Now it is revised to, "the top NBA players could start in Euroleague".


The only thing more pathetic than the trolling of you clowns, is that you somehow actually think you are winning these arguments and not being made to look like complete idiots. You are so delusional that you actually think you come across with insight.

:roll:


I don't think you understand the concept of multiple posters. For example, I have never said anything like what is above. I know guys who have played in Euroleague and it is a good league. However, it is not the NBA.

[nathanjizzle]

do you have some kind of mental disorder or issue? i dont think anyone gives a **** what information you give about the euroleague.

[gabepizza]

Wow you are a sick individual.

Justy the other day you claimed that Mantzaris and Papanikoloau were among the top 4-5 players in Euroleague............

Now it's Spanoulis and "blah blah blah".

You change your stories and flip flop and change your positions more than Willard Mittens Romney does.

:facepalm :facepalm


Lie lie lie. Show me where I said that or again it is just your delusional lies again. I said Matzaris and Papanikoloau were on the Euroleague champion that's it. I also said Papanikoloau scored the most points in the Euroleague final and Mantzaris was a starter but I never called them the top 4-5 players, that is just a blatant lie.

[CavaliersFTW]

Wrong Forum... this isn't NBA related at all.

[kurple]

Is this an NBA forum or Basketball forum?

close this thread

[CavaliersFTW]

Woody Harrelson, Wesley Snipes, and Don Cheadle would be perennial all-stars in the Euroleague

[Euroleague]

I'm not about to discuss basketball with somebody who thinks a leauge dominated by nba scrubs is the best basketball league in the world.

You're points are null & void, Ty Lawson played college ball at unc & then was drafted into the L, you must be referencing a pretty small sample size for him.

Jennings was an 18 year old kid who moved to another country & played like 5 minutes a game.

Ricky Rubio started for spains national team at like what 16 years old? No 16 year old could ever start for the USA team.

Rubio is one of the most hyped Euro players to come out in a while, he made his mark by balling up as a 14 year old against the "prestigous" euroleague


Nobody in the top 10 of that list could even be a productive 6th man in the NBA.

1. Ty Lawson played in the Euroleague last year and was a SCRUB.

2. Brandon Jennings was 19 when he played in Europe and he averaged 20 minutes a game. News flash, even many stars in Euroleague only average 20 minutes a game.

3. Ricky Rubio never played with Spain's national team at age 16, let alone did he, "start for them".

4. Ricky Rubio never played in the Euroleague at age 14.

From the top 10 of "that list" -

1. Vassilis Spanoulis - 100
2. Nenad Krstic - 94 (was a starter in the NBA)
3. Bo McCalebb - 92
4. Dimitris Diamantidis - 90
5. Erazem Lorbek - 88
6. Milos Teodosic - 85
7. Juan Carlos Navarro - 81 (was a 6th man in the NBA)
8. Rudy Fernandez - 80 (was a 6th man in the NBA)
9. Nikola Mirotic - 80
10. Sonny Weems - 77 (was a starter in the NBA)


In conclusion, you are a god damn idiot, and you appear to know even less about the NBA, than you do about the Euroleague.

:facepalm :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :facepalm

[Euroleague]

Lie lie lie. Show me where I said that or again it is just your delusional lies again. I said Matzaris and Papanikoloau were on the Euroleague champion that's it. I also said Papanikoloau scored the most points in the Euroleague final and Mantzaris was a starter but I never called them the top 4-5 players, that is just a blatant lie.

You said in several posts here, that Mantzaris and Papanikolaou were among the top 4-5 best players in Europe.

[Euroleague]

Wrong Forum... this isn't NBA related at all.


Yes it is.


Is this an NBA forum or Basketball forum?

close this thread

It's an NBA forum, which is why I am talking about the numerous NBA players and NBA draft picks that play in Euroleague.

Therefore, it IS an NBA related thread and belongs here.

[Heavincent]

Reported for spamming the NBA forum with off topic garbage.

[nathanjizzle]

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http://turkey2010.fiba.com/images/web/News/Photos/2010/09/12/_483x332/USA-champions.jpg

http://sports.popcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/usa-basketball-olympics.jpg

[Euroleague]

Reported for spamming the NBA forum with off topic garbage.

Reported for falsely filing reports, falsely claiming on topic articles are off topic, and for being a douche bag.

[Heavincent]

Reported for falsely filing reports, false claiming on topic articles are off topic, and for being a douche bag.

Reported for being trailer trash scum from Arkansas.

[Euroleague]

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[Nero Tulip]

So what is happening over there that allows Nenad Krstic to be #2? Is he used very differently? Just on a great team he gets undue credit for? what is it?

People forgot how good he was in New Jersey when they made the playoffs. He's a mental case, but he's definitely a good player.

[TheMarkMadsen]

1. Ty Lawson played in the Euroleague last year and was a SCRUB.

2. Brandon Jennings was 19 when he played in Europe and he averaged 18 minutes a game. News flash, even many stars in Euroleague only average 20 minutes a game.

3. Ricky Rubio never played with Spain's national team at age 16, let alone did he, "start for them".

4. Ricky Rubio never played in the Euroleague at age 14.

From the top 10 of "that list" -

1. Vassilis Spanoulis - 100
2. Nenad Krstic - 94 (was a starter in the NBA)
3. Bo McCalebb - 92
4. Dimitris Diamantidis - 90
5. Erazem Lorbek - 88
6. Milos Teodosic - 85
7. Juan Carlos Navarro - 81 (was a 6th man in the NBA)
8. Rudy Fernandez - 80 (was a 6th man in the NBA)
9. Nikola Mirotic - 80
10. Sonny Weems - 77 (was a starter in the NBA)


In conclusion, you are a god damn idiot, and you appear to know even less about the NBA, than you do about the Euroleague.

:facepalm :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :facepalm


Euroleague once again you show your ignorance.

Rubio played his first Euroleague game at the age of 16 & played on the Spanish national team at 17.

Ty Lawson played 7 games in the Euroleauge, terrible sample size.

Brandon Jennings played 16 games in the Euroleauge & averaged 8 pts & 1 steal a game on 45% shooting. Again, terrible sample size.

Rudy played 22 mpg last year hardly a sixth man, and has started 10 games in his entire NBA career, but he's one of the best euroleauge players.

Sonny Weems has started a total of 47 out of 140 NBA games in his career, the only games he started were because of injury & playing on a god awful Toronto team. Hardly what you would consider an "NBA starter"

Nenad was a decent center in the NBA, and a DECENT center from the NBA is the 2nd best player in the Euroleague.



Once again Euroleague the only thing you bring to a conversation is a large biase & nothing else.

If the Euroleague was the best baskeball in the wolrd how come we see all these great foreign players coming over to play in the NBA, and yet we never see great NBA players going to the euroleauge?

They always say it's because they want to prove themselves on the biggest stage in the world & against the best competition in the world, which everybody knows is the NBA.

[Euroleague]

Euroleague once again you show your ignorance.

Rubio played his first Euroleague game at the age of 16 & played on the Spanish national team at 17.

Ty Lawson played 7 games in the Euroleauge, terrible sample size.

Brandon Jennings played 16 games in the Euroleauge & averaged 8 pts & 1 steal a game on 45% shooting. Again, terrible sample size.

Rudy played 22 mpg last year hardly a sixth man, and has started 10 games in his entire NBA career, but he's one of the best euroleauge players.

Sonny Weems has started a total of 47 out of 140 NBA games in his career, the only games he started were because of injury & playing on a god awful Toronto team. Hardly what you would consider an "NBA starter"

Nenad was a decent center in the NBA, and a DECENT center from the NBA is the 2nd best player in the Euroleague.



Once again Euroleague the only thing you bring to a conversation is a large biase & nothing else.

If the Euroleague was the best baskeball in the wolrd how come we see all these great foreign players coming over to play in the NBA, and yet we never see great NBA players going to the euroleauge?

They always say it's because they want to prove themselves on the biggest stage in the world & against the best competition in the world, which everybody knows is the NBA.

So after I proved every single thing you said to be wrong and a lie, you admit that it was, confirm what I said, and just PRETEND you know what you are talking about and PRETEND that you didn't just confirm everything I said, proving your original post was completely fabricated.........

:lol :roll: :roll: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :facepalm :facepalm

And you STILL lied about Jennings' stats. His Euroleague stats were 20 minutes per game (not 5 as you claimed) and he shot 38% from the field (not 45% as you just again lied).

[TheMarkMadsen]

So after I proved every single thing you said to be wrong and a lie, you admit that it was, confirm what I said, and just PRETEND you know what you are talking about and PRETEND that you didn't just confirm everything I said, proving your original post was completely fabricated.........

:lol :roll: :roll: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :facepalm :facepalm

And you STILL lied about Jennings's stats. His Euroleague stats were 20 minutes per game (not 5 as you claimed) and he shot 38% from the field (not 45% as you just again lied).

LOOK AT THIS IDIOT. He ignores everything about Sonny Weems who he just called an NBA "starter" and he hasnt even started 82 games in his entire career. Ignores how a DECENT NBA center is the 2nd best player in the ENTIRE euroleague.

In my original post i said Ty Lawson time in the Euroleague was probrably a very small sample size, WHICH IT WAS. 7 games.


In my original post i said brandon jennings in the euroleauge was a small sample size, WHICH IT WAS. 16 games.

And are you going to ignore the fact the Rubio played his first Euroleague game at the age of 16? :roll: How many 16 year olds have played in the NBA? 0 because the competition is to good.

Are you ignoring that he played for the Spanish National team at the age of 17?

Are you going to ignore my question as to why great NBA player never leave the NBA to play in the euroleauge, or why they never skip out on the NBA to play in the euroleague, while great foreign players CHOOSE to skip out on the euroleauge because they want to test themselves against the best of the world?

Of course you'll ignore it, because i'm right & it doesnt fit you slanted agenda.

[RRR3]

Damn, markmadsen shittin' all over euroleague

:bowdown:

[hangintheair]

1. Ty Lawson played in the Euroleague last year and was a SCRUB.

2. Brandon Jennings was 19 when he played in Europe and he averaged 20 minutes a game. News flash, even many stars in Euroleague only average 20 minutes a game.

3. Ricky Rubio never played with Spain's national team at age 16, let alone did he, "start for them".

4. Ricky Rubio never played in the Euroleague at age 14.

From the top 10 of "that list" -

1. Vassiline Spanoulis - 100 (was a scrub in the NBA)
2. Nenad Krstic - 94 (was a starter in the NBA)
3. Bo McCalebb - 92
4. Dimitris Diamantidis - 90
5. Erazem Lorbek - 88
6. Milos Teodosic - 85
7. Juan Carlos Navarro - 81 (was a 6th man in the NBA)
8. Rudy Fernandez - 80 (was a 6th man in the NBA)
9. Nikola Mirotic - 80
10. Sonny Weems - 77 (was a starter in the NBA)


In conclusion, you are a god damn idiot, and you appear to know even less about the NBA, than you do about the Euroleague.

:facepalm :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :facepalm

Fixed

[FireMcFailPlease]

lmao @ this loser from arkansas

[dd24]

That was a funny list of NBA scrubs. It actually made me laugh seeing it. Thanks for posting that :lol :oldlol:

[tmacattack33]

I stopped reading when I saw Nenad Kristic at number 2, and Sonny Weems at number 10.

:oldlol:

[Mr Know It All]

Euroleague, do you have an opinion on Jonas Valanciunas? The kind of player you think he will become in the NBA? Etc.

[coin24]

STFU Arkansas inbred f@ggot:lol :lol

[Heavincent]

LOL at Kristic being the second best player in the Euroleague. Must be even more of a scrub league than I thought. I watched Kristic when he was on the Nets. He was a serviceable big man at BEST. Yet the guy is a ****ing Euroleague superstar? :lol

[wagexslave]

lol @ Rudy Fernandez #8 best player in the league. What a sh1t talentless league.

[Pacers4ever]

How does a player get rated 100 and be unable to lead greece to beat nigeria let alone it shouldn't have been close? Jesus what a horrible list OF SCRUBS.

[taucesays]

That's a lot of numbers that I don't give a crap about. I'd rather read the phone book.

[Noof]

Lmao Krstic at number 2 really helps your case bro. And Sonny Weems and Farmar are scrubs.

[SourPatchKids]

McCalebb is the oddest surname on the list.

[Rooster]

This is like a drumroll of scrubs put together. :oldlol:

I can find better players from Los Angeles area

Especially when you have Mike Batiste at 11:oldlol:

And Farmar at 14.:oldlol:

Euroleague is like a cruel joke.

[BankShot]

Nenad Kristic

http://www.cskabasket.com/images/photos/1341896880.jpg

NBA Career Averages - 10/5/1/1

NBA Peak - 16/7/2/1 (6 years ago)

Rated 2nd best player in Euroleague

:roll:

[BankShot]

How does a player get rated 100 and be unable to lead greece to beat nigeria let alone it shouldn't have been close? Jesus what a horrible list OF SCRUBS.

Nigera National Team >>>> Euroleague 100/100

[BankShot]

20. Malik Hairston - 71

Jokes aside, this is actually pretty cool that Malik has carved out a solid career in Europe. I watched just about every damn game he played at the University of Oregon, and I always thought that with the right motivation and situation (and put down the peace pipe) he could be a serviceable wing.

Good for him.

[CeltsGarlic]

Well, this list is sure debatable and sucks. Ronnie Seibutis (renaldas is his real name) is NOT better than Kaukenas. Weems rated too high, he havent proved himself enough. Mike Batiste Viktor Khryapa also too high, would take guy like Bourousis over them. KC Rivers waaay too low. Just skimed though it, and Its not that accurate. You could switch McCalebb with Spanoulis and vice versa.

[Nash]

Notice how during the Olympics, none of these players were relevant and it was all about the NBA players. The best players during the tournament was the Americans, Gasol brothers, Ginobili, Parker, Patty Mills, Scola etc etc. Not ONE player from that shitty lEuroleague list made any mark in the Olympics.

Euroleague, I'm an European myself and this league is a joke compared to the NBA.

[enghuei]

Funny I don't see any link, again

[Euroleague]

LOOK AT THIS IDIOT. He ignores everything about Sonny Weems who he just called an NBA "starter" and he hasnt even started 82 games in his entire career. Ignores how a DECENT NBA center is the 2nd best player in the ENTIRE euroleague.

In my original post i said Ty Lawson time in the Euroleague was probrably a very small sample size, WHICH IT WAS. 7 games.


In my original post i said brandon jennings in the euroleauge was a small sample size, WHICH IT WAS. 16 games.

And are you going to ignore the fact the Rubio played his first Euroleague game at the age of 16? :roll: How many 16 year olds have played in the NBA? 0 because the competition is to good.

Are you ignoring that he played for the Spanish National team at the age of 17?

Are you going to ignore my question as to why great NBA player never leave the NBA to play in the euroleauge, or why they never skip out on the NBA to play in the euroleague, while great foreign players CHOOSE to skip out on the euroleauge because they want to test themselves against the best of the world?

Of course you'll ignore it, because i'm right & it doesnt fit you slanted agenda.


Sonny Weems was a STARTER in Toronto. That is a fact. If you have to start 82 games to be considered an NBA "starter" then 90% of the NBA are not starters.

There have been no 16 year old players in the NBA because LEAGUE RULES prevent it. IDIOT.

You go on and on about "small sample size" referring to how Lawson and Jennings were SCRUBS, trying to somehow disprove what is true (that they were scrubs) in Euroleague.

But then you state as a FACT that Krstic is definitely an elite player in Euroleague based off of 22 games in Euroleague.

So in your warped mind that contains no thinking, reasoning, nor logic, you deduct that a 16 game sample size for Brandon Jennings is totally invalid, but a 22 game sample size for Nenad Krstic is totally legit..........

So let me get this straight, according to you, no one can say Brandon Jennings was a scrub in Euroleague (even though he was) because he played 16 games in Euroleague, BUT it's a fact that everyone HAS to say Krstic was elite in Euroleague, even though he only played 22 games.

So according to you - "sample size" ONLY applies to when it fits your trolling, lying, and manipulative "arguments". Right, thanks for playing.

You are a hypocrite.

[iamgine]

it was, "Brian Scalabrine would be prime Wilt Chamberlain in Euroleague".

It still is. Nenad Krstic as best center?

[Euroleague]

How does a player get rated 100 and be unable to lead greece to beat nigeria let alone it shouldn't have been close? Jesus what a horrible list OF SCRUBS.

Because it's hard to play 5 on 8 for an entire game. That game was rigged by the refs, as is very common knowledge.

[Euroleague]

Well, this list is sure debatable and sucks. Ronnie Seibutis (renaldas is his real name) is NOT better than Kaukenas. Weems rated too high, he havent proved himself enough. Mike Batiste Viktor Khryapa also too high, would take guy like Bourousis over them. KC Rivers waaay too low. Just skimed though it, and Its not that accurate. You could switch McCalebb with Spanoulis and vice versa.

Keep in mind that this list is like an ESPN Hollinger list. It's stat based. As for Seibutis, he actually does goes by the name Ronnie. Actually, for example, Kaukenas goes by the name Rimas.

So yes, the list is based on stats, just like a Hollinger list is. Obviously, if it was not stats based, then Sonny Weems would never in a million years touch the top 10.

[Euroleague]

It still is. Nenad Krstic as best center?

He averaged 16 and 7 in the NBA regular season, and 18 and 8 in the NBA playoffs.

[Euroleague]

Notice how during the Olympics, none of these players were relevant and it was all about the NBA players. The best players during the tournament was the Americans, Gasol brothers, Ginobili, Parker, Patty Mills, Scola etc etc. Not ONE player from that shitty lEuroleague list made any mark in the Olympics.

Euroleague, I'm an European myself and this league is a joke compared to the NBA.

Right......................

Shved
Khryapa
Fridzon

Fridzon was the best player on Russia, Shved was the 2nd to 4th best player on Russia, and Khryapa was the 5th best player on Russia. Russia won the bronze medal.

Several players from Spain and Lithuania gave Team USA fits, when Team USA barely beat Spain 107-100, and Lithuania 99-94.

Numerous players on this list that played in those games and gave Team USA all they could handle.

There is absolutely no way in hell that you watched a single game of the Olympics.

[Euroleague]

This is like a drumroll of scrubs put together. :oldlol:

I can find better players from Los Angeles area

Especially when you have Mike Batiste at 11:oldlol:

And Farmar at 14.:oldlol:

Euroleague is like a cruel joke.

Average total salary compensation in Euroleague is = $1 million US gross.

Awfully odd how these "ballers around the LA area" choose not to go make a million a year, even though they are "better than any players on that list".

I guess these "LA ballers" are all super rich guys, that don't even need pocket change like a million bucks a year.......................

:facepalm

[dd24]

He averaged 16 and 7 in the NBA and 18 and 8 in the NBA playoffs.

That was a long time ago before the injuries. He can't even play in the NBA anymore. He used to be good. It was a long time ago. It's sad to see injuries do that to a player but he'll never even be a role player in the NBA anymore.

On a side note, these NBA vs. Euroleague debates are insane. Nobody in their right mind thinks there's more talent in Europe than there is in the NBA. I play against a ton of guys who played professionally overseas. They never even had a chance to play professionally here. It's a whole different level in the NBA. It's foolish to say otherwise. Hence most of that list is scrub players.

[Overdrive]

Because it's hard to play 5 on 8 for an entire game. That game was rigged by the refs, as is very common knowledge.

For those several guys that live in your mind maybe.

Do they air Euroleague in Arkansas?
How come a guy that is perfect, 100/100, produce 3ppg in the NBA?
Krstic imo is no scrub, though. He's no elite center and maybe's ranked to high, but his no skillless stiff. His body is just no athletic enough to bang with the NBA bigs.
Never digged Teodosic. I know he's seen as one of the best pgs of the EL, but he always chokes when it comes to international play. I think his mind is pretty weak.



On a side note, these NBA vs. Euroleague debates are insane. Nobody in their right mind thinks there's more talent in Europe than there is in the NBA. I play against a ton of guys who played professionally overseas. They never even had a chance to play professionally here. It's a whole different level in the NBA. It's foolish to say otherwise. Hence most of that list is scrub players.

I my country there's a semi pro league. Means most teams consist of amateurs, who work during daytime, but they have some pro roster slots, which are mostly used for us scrubs. Those teams don't even have a legit chance to play international leagues like the Euroleague. Being a pro in europe doesn't mean they played in the EL.

[Euroleague]

That was a long time ago before the injuries. He can't even play in the NBA anymore. He used to be good. It was a long time ago. It's sad to see injuries do that to a player but he'll never even be a role player in the NBA anymore.

On a side note, these NBA vs. Euroleague debates are insane. Nobody in their right mind thinks there's more talent in Europe than there is in the NBA. I play against a ton of guys who played professionally overseas. They never even had a chance to play professionally here. It's a whole different level in the NBA. It's foolish to say otherwise. Hence most of that list is scrub players.

FALSE.

He is better now than he was when he averaged those numbers in the NBA.

Right.....you play against guys that played in Slovene league and 2nd division of Belgium.

You have NEVER played against a Euroleague player.

You clearly don't even know what the Euroleague even is.

BTW,

NBA champion Washington Bullets 97 - Maccabi Tel Aviv 98

NBA champion Los Angeles Lakers 88 - Barcelona Basquet 92

No comparison at all, even though the Euroleague has beaten then NBA champions TWICE.

I am sure that the "guys you have played against from overseas" could beat NBA champion teams two times.............

:lol :oldlol: :roll:

[Overdrive]

FALSE.

He is better now than he was when he averaged those numbers in the NBA.

Right.....you play against guys that played in Slovene league and 2nd division of Belgium.

You have NEVER played against a Euroleague player.

No, he is definately not better now, since he lost alot of his little athleticism he had, but his skill and experience help him alot.

[dd24]

Right......................


Several players from Spain and Lithuania gave Team USA fits, when Team USA barely beat Spain 107-100, and Lithuania 99-94.

Numerous players on this list that played in those games and gave Team USA all they could handle.

There is absolutely no way in hell that you watched a single game of the Olympics.

Using the Olympics as a gauge to measure talent isn't really a good way to compare. The thing with the Olympics is everyone is playing with international rules. Those rules help out inferior athletes. Everybody always seems to forget that. So team USA is playing by rules that hinders their athleticism. Not only that but the US has never sent all of their top players. The vast majority of USA's elite big men never play international ball. Some refuse to because the rules are ridiculous. Others couldn't because of injury. Nonetheless, there's no Dwight Howard, Andrew Bynum, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, etc, etc. Spain has been the only team that even has a chance to compete with the US. The rules help them out and they obviously have some talented players that actually make an impact even in the NBA. It's funny to me how great all this overseas talent is supposed to be but it takes US coaches to teach them how to play the game....

[dd24]

FALSE.

He is better now than he was when he averaged those numbers in the NBA.

Right.....you play against guys that played in Slovene league and 2nd division of Belgium.

You have NEVER played against a Euroleague player.

You clearly don't even know what the Euroleague even is.

BTW,

NBA champion Washington Bullets 97 - Maccabi Tel Aviv 98

NBA champion Los Angeles Lakers 88 - Barcelona Basquet 92

No comparison at all, even though the Euroleague has beaten then NBA champions TWICE.

I am sure that the "guys you have played against from overseas" could beat NBA champion teams two times.............

:lol :oldlol: :roll:

Lol, you're on crack if you think Krstic is a better player now. You just completely killed any type of momentum you had going for yourself. The guy clearly can't play basketball the same anymore.

I don't take any of those exhibition games seriously at all. Typically it's one of the first games for the NBA team that's playing and they're not in game shape. Not to mention the whole rules thing they aren't used to. Those rules that make the game easier for inferior athletes..... just stand outside and shoot.... blah blah blah. If I had to watch basketball or play basketball by those rules I wouldn't even like the game.

[Euroleague]

How come a guy that is perfect, 100/100, produce 3ppg in the NBA?

How come Ricky Rubio averaged 7 and 4 in Euroleague, but 10 and 8 in the NBA?

How come Brandon Jennings averaged 8 and 2 in Euroleague, but scored 50 in an NBA game?

How come Ty Lawson averaged 7 and 2 in the Euroleague, but 16 and 7 in the NBA?

???

[Euroleague]

No, he is definately not better now, since he lost alot of his little athleticism he had, but his skill and experience help him alot.

Yes, he is better. All of his athleticism has returned.

[Euroleague]

Using the Olympics as a gauge to measure talent isn't really a good way to compare. The thing with the Olympics is everyone is playing with international rules. Those rules help out inferior athletes. Everybody always seems to forget that. So team USA is playing by rules that hinders their athleticism. Not only that but the US has never sent all of their top players. The vast majority of USA's elite big men never play international ball. Some refuse to because the rules are ridiculous. Others couldn't because of injury. Nonetheless, there's no Dwight Howard, Andrew Bynum, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, etc, etc. Spain has been the only team that even has a chance to compete with the US. The rules help them out and they obviously have some talented players that actually make an impact even in the NBA. It's funny to me how great all this overseas talent is supposed to be but it takes US coaches to teach them how to play the game....

The Olympics were played with all NBA rules, except for the 40 minute long games, the shorter 3 point line, and the no defensive 3 seconds rule.

They even use NBA travel and carry rules now in the Olympics. Hell, they even use NBA interpretation of fouls rules now in the Olympics.

Stop living in the past.

Also, the only international teams that usually often ever send all of their best players, or almost all of them, are Spain and Argentina.

In fact, most European teams often send less of their best players than Team USA does. So why are you even bringing that up? It's not pertinent, as most European teams have numerous top players that don't play.

You bring up Spain...........Navarro scored 21 points against Team USA in the Olympics final, playing with a SEVERE FOOT INJURY.

Pretty sure he does not "play in the NBA". Actually, he appears on this "Euroleague list of scrubs".

US coaches huh?

Is that why numerous NBA coaches are always attending Dusan Ivkovic's and Zeljko Obradovic's teaching classes on coaching in Europe?

Is that why Mike Brown was using Ettore Messina to help him coach the Lakers?

Is that why Greg Popovich always gets most of his plays and offensive sets from Ivkovic and Obradovic?

Is that why Joe Dumars and Kiki Vandeweigh literally worship the ground that Ivkovic and Obradovic walk on?

[dd24]

How come Ricky Rubio averaged 7 and 4 in Euroleague, but 10 and 8 in the NBA?

How come Brandon Jennings averaged 8 and 2 in Euroleague, but scored 50 in an NBA game?

How come Ty Lawson averaged 7 and 2 in the Euroleague, but 16 and 7 in the NBA?

???

Horrible examples. First of all you know with the game in the Euroleague stats are going to be less. Secondly, you're taking players who were rookies and hadn't even learned the game of basketball yet. They weren't even close to being in their prime. Heck, Rubio couldn't even get any kind of playing time just because the coaches were trying to hide him from the NBA and didn't want to develop him at all. If you put any of those guys in the Euroleague today they would dominate (if the coach wasn't a jerk and actually put them in the game).

[RRR3]

He averaged 16 and 7 in the NBA regular season, and 18 and 8 in the NBA playoffs.
Look, son, no one is saying that Nenad Krstic wasn't a half-decent center in the NBA at one point, but stop misrepresenting his stats like this. He played 26 games the year he averaged 16 and 7 and his 18 and 8 playoff "run" came in 4 games in which he averaged 39 MPG. The point is, even when he was putting up decent numbers in the NBA, he was never considering anywhere close to an elite center, let alone the 2nd best player in the NBA.

[dd24]

Yes, he is better. All of his athleticism has returned.

I feel like you must be on something. Maybe you need help. Or possibly you're a 12 year old that just doesn't understand the game completely yet. Regardless of the whole NBA vs. Euroleague stuff, it's just not possible to say Krstic is a better player now than he was in his prime. We don't say Kobe is better now than he was 5 years ago.... Krstic used to be good. He got hurt. It happens. He can't play as well as he used to. This is just common sense. Why would OKC not want him if he was that awesome of a C?

[Euroleague]

Lol, you're on crack if you think Krstic is a better player now. You just completely killed any type of momentum you had going for yourself. The guy clearly can't play basketball the same anymore.

I don't take any of those exhibition games seriously at all. Typically it's one of the first games for the NBA team that's playing and they're not in game shape. Not to mention the whole rules thing they aren't used to. Those rules that make the game easier for inferior athletes..... just stand outside and shoot.... blah blah blah. If I had to watch basketball or play basketball by those rules I wouldn't even like the game.

Right..........so your own mind's delusions are "FACTS"........

:rolleyes: :facepalm

[dd24]

Right..........so your own mind's delusions are "FACTS"........

:rolleyes: :facepalm

I'm not even trying to be rude right now. I actually feel really bad for you. I feel like you really need to get help. See a psyciatrist or something like that. There's something really off in what you say in general.

[Euroleague]

Horrible examples. First of all you know with the game in the Euroleague stats are going to be less. Secondly, you're taking players who were rookies and hadn't even learned the game of basketball yet. They weren't even close to being in their prime. Heck, Rubio couldn't even get any kind of playing time just because the coaches were trying to hide him from the NBA and didn't want to develop him at all. If you put any of those guys in the Euroleague today they would dominate (if the coach wasn't a jerk and actually put them in the game).

Ricky Rubio played 23 minutes a game in Euroleague.

Superstars in Euroleague usually average around 25. And you come here and claim that he "could not get any playing time because the coaches were trying to hide him from the NBA".

Ty Lawson averaged 7 and 2 in the Euroleague during the 2011-12 season. He averaged 16 and 7 in the NBA, during the same 2011-12 season.

Welcome to my ignore list. You are simply here to troll and spread disinformation.

You are clearly an extremely dishonest person, and a very shady individual.

[gabepizza]

Yes, he is better. All of his athleticism has returned.

Krsitics stats in the NBA recently

2010 OKC 8.4/5
2010 OKC playoffs (when they really play) 5.8/7.2
2011 OKC 7.6/4.4
2011 Bos 9.1/5.3
2011 Bos playoffs 1.7/1.7

Then he goes into Euroleague after averaging less than 2 points and rebounds in the playoffs and is voted all Euroleague first team...what a joke

Here are his stats in Boston his last year in the NBA vs his stats in Euroleague
NBA: 9.1 ppg 5.3 rpg in 23mpg
Euroleague: 14.2 ppg 5.5 rpg 24.5 mpg
So in playing 1.5 more minutes per game he averaged 5 more points and was the best center in the league. And mind you this is not him padding stats on a bad team. He was on the team that was runner up and would have been champions if not for a last second jump shot.

[Euroleague]

Look, son, no one is saying that Nenad Krstic wasn't a half-decent center in the NBA at one point, but stop misrepresenting his stats like this. He played 26 games the year he averaged 16 and 7 and his 18 and 8 playoff "run" came in 4 games in which he averaged 39 MPG. The point is, even when he was putting up decent numbers in the NBA, he was never considering anywhere close to an elite center, let alone the 2nd best player in the NBA.

Look son.........

Nenad Krstic's best ever NBA season = 16 and 7 in the regular season and 18 and 8 in the playoffs.

Nenad Krstic's best ever Euroleague season = 15 and 6

Deal with it.

[CavaliersFTW]

The thing I'm most disgusted with about when I watch Euroleague games is the complete lack of fundamentals. Players failing to push through screens, stagnet off-ball movement, absolutely no defense on the perimeter... I mean really simple stuff. I just can't call that basketball - more like scripted exhibition ball.

[Euroleague]

I feel like you must be on something. Maybe you need help. Or possibly you're a 12 year old that just doesn't understand the game completely yet. Regardless of the whole NBA vs. Euroleague stuff, it's just not possible to say Krstic is a better player now than he was in his prime. We don't say Kobe is better now than he was 5 years ago.... Krstic used to be good. He got hurt. It happens. He can't play as well as he used to. This is just common sense. Why would OKC not want him if he was that awesome of a C?

You have an exceptionally low basketball IQ. Either that, or you started following the NBA when LeBron made his decision.

Nenad Krstic is playing with a guy named Teodosic in Euroleague. If you had even the slightest iota of basic basketball knowledge, you could grasp this.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Sonny Weems was a STARTER in Toronto. That is a fact. If you have to start 82 games to be considered an NBA "starter" then 90% of the NBA are not starters.

There have been no 16 year old players in the NBA because LEAGUE RULES prevent it. IDIOT.

You go on and on about "small sample size" referring to how Lawson and Jennings were SCRUBS, trying to somehow disprove what is true (that they were scrubs) in Euroleague.

But then you state as a FACT that Krstic is definitely an elite player in Euroleague based off of 22 games in Euroleague.

So in your warped mind that contains no thinking, reasoning, nor logic, you deduct that a 16 game sample size for Brandon Jennings is totally invalid, but a 22 game sample size for Nenad Krstic is totally legit..........

So let me get this straight, according to you, no one can say Brandon Jennings was a scrub in Euroleague (even though he was) because he played 16 games in Euroleague, BUT it's a fact that everyone HAS to say Krstic was elite in Euroleague, even though he only played 22 games.

So according to you - "sample size" ONLY applies to when it fits your trolling, lying, and manipulative "arguments". Right, thanks for playing.

You are a hypocrite.


Oh was I the one who said that it was a FACT that Kristic is an elite euroleague player?

Or was it the LIST YOU POSTED that had him as the second best player in the euroleague :roll: ?


Go ahead ill wait, oh and by the way are you going to keep ignoring my question on why great NBA players never skip the NBA & go to the euroleague, or why they never leave the NBA for the euroleague?

Yet, many great foreign players have skipped euroleague for the NBA because they say they want to prove themselves against the worlds greatest competition?

[dd24]

You have an exceptionally low basketball IQ. Either that, or you started following the NBA when LeBron made his decision.

Nenad Krstic is playing with a guy named Teodosic in Euroleague. If you had even the slightest iota of basic basketball knowledge you could grasp this.

I don't care if Nenad is playing with Kobe, Lebron, Carmello, Dwight, or any other player on the planet. The fact of the matter is his best days are behind him. Seriously, get help.

[Heavincent]

The thing I'm most disgusted with about when I watch Euroleague games is the complete lack of fundamentals. Players failing to push through screens, stagnet off-ball movement, absolutely no defense on the perimeter... I mean really simple stuff. I just can't call that basketball - more like scripted exhibition ball.

I often hear people talking about how fundamentally sound Euroleague players are...which is BS. I think people say that just because so many of the players over there lack athleticism so they assume they are really skilled. If they were that skilled, they would be in the NBA.

[Euroleague]

Krsitics stats in the NBA recently

2010 OKC 8.4/5
2010 OKC playoffs (when they really play) 5.8/7.2
2011 OKC 7.6/4.4
2011 Bos 9.1/5.3
2011 Bos playoffs 1.7/1.7

Then he goes into Euroleague after averaging less than 2 points and rebounds in the playoffs and is voted all Euroleague first team...what a joke

Here are his stats in Boston his last year in the NBA vs his stats in Euroleague
NBA: 9.1 ppg 5.3 rpg in 23mpg
Euroleague: 14.2 ppg 5.5 rpg 24.5 mpg
So in playing 1.5 more minutes per game he averaged 5 more points and was the best center in the league. And mind you this is not him padding stats on a bad team. He was on the team that was runner up and would have been champions if not for a last second jump shot.

If he played in pick and roll with Teodosic in the NBA, and was actually often utilized that way, he would average 20 a game in the NBA EASILY.

If you ever actually have valid point, please feel free to make it.

As for jokes...............Brandon Jennings averaging 8 and 2 in Euroleague, then dropping 50 in an NBA game the next season,

Ty Lawson averaging 7 and 2 in Euroleague, then 16 and 7 in the NBA, in the same season,

Ricky Rubio going from Euroleague scrub, to the most hyped NBA player the next season...........

plus, numerous other such examples. Pretty sure those are all HUGE JOKES to most European basketball fans.

[Heavincent]

If he played in pick and roll with Teodosic in the NBA, and was actually often utilized that way, he would average 20 a game in the NBA EASILY.

If you ever actually have valid point, please feel free to make it.

:roll:

You know Kristic played with prime Jason Kidd, right?

[dd24]

I often hear people talking about how fundamentally sound Euroleague players are...which is BS. I think people say that just because so many of the players over there lack athleticism so they assume they are really skilled. If they were that skilled, they would be in the NBA.

This is very true. Many of these guys who get drafted from Europe take years to develop because they lack all the fundamentals of basketball. It's why I would typically take a very good college player over a hyped European player in the draft. We've seen a trend of this happening over the years too.

[Euroleague]

Oh was I the one who said that it was a FACT that Kristic is an elite euroleague player?

Or was it the LIST YOU POSTED that had him as the second best player in the euroleague :roll: ?


Go ahead ill wait, oh and by the way are you going to keep ignoring my question on why great NBA players never skip the NBA & go to the euroleague, or why they never leave the NBA for the euroleague?

Yet, many great foreign players have skipped euroleague for the NBA because they say they want to prove themselves against the worlds greatest competition?

It was YOU that claimed Jennings can't be counted for his awful play in Euroleague for a 16 game sample size. It was YOU that also made no mention of Krstic only playing 22 games in Euroleague, but made jokes and derogatory comments about him being #2 on this list.

Face it, you got owned, because you lack the ability to reason logically and think critically outside of your own personal world paradigm.

[gabepizza]

Because it's hard to play 5 on 8 for an entire game. That game was rigged by the refs, as is very common knowledge.

Yes the game was rigged. That why Greece took 8 more foul shots then Nigeria. But I agree. Nigeria is way to athletic for slow Euro scrubs like Spanoulis, Bourousis. It was fun to watch. Sort of like a bunch of middle aged white guys from the YMCA going into the inner city and challenging some street ballers. Nigeria would miss a jump shot and then one of the Aminu brother would dunk in the offensive rebound before Bourousis even knew what was going on. I mean Bourousis would suck even in the D-league. Slower than Muresan.

Maybe in the next international tournament Spanoulis and company can play Tunisia instead of Nigeria to give Greece a chance to win. And I don't think the refs giving Greece only 8 more shots then their opponents will do. I mean the refs tried to help Greece against Nigeria by giving them 8 more shots and they still got spanked. So against Tunisia give Spanoulis and his slow unathletic Euro team mates at least 12 more foul shots and they might have a chance against Tunisia.

[dd24]

:roll:

You know Kristic played with prime Jason Kidd, right?

And even more recently, Rajon Rondo :cheers:

[CavaliersFTW]

I often hear people talking about how fundamentally sound Euroleague players are...which is BS. I think people say that just because so many of the players over there lack athleticism so they assume they are really skilled. If they were that skilled, they would be in the NBA.
It's racial stereotyping. They see white players in Euroleague and (strictly due to their skin color) the Euroleague fans are reminded of the white NBA players that got / get by in the NBA with elite fundamentals. It's just not the same though, I have never seen such awful perimeter defense as what Euroleague showcases. There is footage of Brian Scalabrine just CAMPING out in 3 point land dumping 3 pointer after 3 pointer on Euroleague's best players and they are all just standing there watching him :facepalm

[Euroleague]

I don't care if Nenad is playing with Kobe, Lebron, Carmello, Dwight, or any other player on the planet. The fact of the matter is his best days are behind him. Seriously, get help.

The fact of the matter is, that Nenad Krstic is currently in his prime, all of his pre-injury athleticism has returned, and he is BETTER now, than he was when he averaged 16 and 7 in the NBA.

[Heavincent]

And even more recently, Rajon Rondo :cheers:

And Russell Westbrook.

lol at Euroleague implying that Kristic wasn't put in the right situation in the NBA. The guy played with 3 elite PG's for ****'s sake.

[Euroleague]

I often hear people talking about how fundamentally sound Euroleague players are...which is BS. I think people say that just because so many of the players over there lack athleticism so they assume they are really skilled. If they were that skilled, they would be in the NBA.

If the NBA was as good as people say it is, then Team USA would not beat Spain by 7 points and Lithuania by 5 points.

The Bullets and Lakers, as NBA champions, would not lose to Euroleague teams.

Etc.

Obviously, the NBA is the most overrated sports league in world history.

[dd24]

It was YOU that claimed Jennings can't be counted for his awful play in Euroleague for a 16 game sample size. It was YOU that also made no mention of Krstic only playing 22 games in Euroleague, but made jokes and derogatory comments about him being #2 on this list.

Face it, you got owned, because you lack the ability to reason logically and think critically outside of your own personal world paradigm.

No, you're just completely wrong. The more you post, I feel like there's just something off about you as a person. Seriously, how old are you?

[gabepizza]

The fact of the matter is, that Nenad Krstic is currently in his prime, all of his pre-injury athleticism has returned, and he is BETTER now, than he was when he averaged 16 and 7 in the NBA.


That's why he averaged less than 2 points and two rebounds in the playoffs the last time we saw him in the NBA.

NIGERIA!!!

[dd24]

If the NBA was as good as people say it is, then Team USA would not beat Spain by 7 points and Lithuania by 5 points.

The Bullets and Lakers, as NBA champions, would not lose to Euroleague teams.

Etc.

Obviously, the NBA is the most overrated sports league in world history.

Already went over this......... different rules that help players that aren't as talented. Team USA never brings all of it's best players. It's that simple.

[Heavincent]

If the NBA was as good as people say it is, then Team USA would not beat Spain by 7 points and Lithuania by 5 points.

The Bullets and Lakers, as NBA champions, would not lose to Euroleague teams.

Etc.

Obviously, the NBA is the most overrated sports league in world history.

And if Greece wasn't complete trash as basketball, they wouldn't have lost to Nigeria, a team that U.S.A beat by 83.

And lol at you talking about preseason games like they aren't completely meaningless.

[Euroleague]

:roll:

You know Kristic played with prime Jason Kidd, right?

You know Krstic played with prime Teodosic right?

Are you REALLY this stupid?

I already explained this at the beginning of this thread.

Back to ignore list.

[dd24]

You know Krstic played with prime Teodosic right?

Are you REALLY this stupid?

I already explained this at the beginning of this thread.

Back to ignore list.

It could be any prime PG in Europe. Point is, who cares??? It's irrelevant. The guy isn't that good anymore.

[Euroleague]

This is very true. Many of these guys who get drafted from Europe take years to develop because they lack all the fundamentals of basketball. It's why I would typically take a very good college player over a hyped European player in the draft. We've seen a trend of this happening over the years too.

Yeah, the fact the NBA almost always drafts guys from Europe in the first round that are in the range of being the 200th-500th best players in Europe just might have something to do with that......

Or that they often draft guys in the second round from Europe, that don't even play professionally, or even play in HIGH SCHOOL TEAMS.......

And I mean, wow, there's never been an NCAA player drafted by the NBA that "lacked fundamentals".........

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

:rolleyes

Put down the crack pipe.

[Heavincent]

You know Krstic played with prime Teodosic right?

Are you REALLY this stupid?

I already explained this at the beginning of this thread.

Back to ignore list.

So? The 80 year old, drunken Jason Kidd we see today is still better than Teodosic.

[Euroleague]

Yes the game was rigged.

Yes, it was.

[Euroleague]

It's racial stereotyping. They see white players in Euroleague and (strictly due to their skin color) the Euroleague fans are reminded of the white NBA players that got / get by in the NBA with elite fundamentals. It's just not the same though, I have never seen such awful perimeter defense as what Euroleague showcases. There is footage of Brian Scalabrine just CAMPING out in 3 point land dumping 3 pointer after 3 pointer on Euroleague's best players and they are all just standing there watching him :facepalm

Funny, considering that Brian Scalabrine has never in his entire life played in a Euroleague game.

[Euroleague]

And Russell Westbrook.

lol at Euroleague implying that Kristic wasn't put in the right situation in the NBA. The guy played with 3 elite PG's for ****'s sake.


:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

:lol :oldlol: :roll:

[eliteballer]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=6

Use it:coleman:

[Euroleague]

Already went over this......... different rules that help players that aren't as talented. Team USA never brings all of it's best players. It's that simple.

Already went over this. The rules are now basically the same as NBA rules. Even the no hand check rule has been added.

Also, almost all other teams don't send all of their best players either.

Already went over this. Learn to read.

[Euroleague]

And if Greece wasn't complete trash as basketball, they wouldn't have lost to Nigeria, a team that U.S.A beat by 83.

And lol at you talking about preseason games like they aren't completely meaningless.

Yeah, I guess that explains how USA lost to Greece 101- 95...........

[eliteballer]

2. Nenad Krstic - 94


10. Sonny Weems - 77


12. Viktor Khryapa - 75


14. Jordan Farmar - 73


18. Maciej Lampe - 72


25. Zoran Planinic - 68


31. Sasha Vujacic - 65

:roll:

[Euroleague]

It could be any prime PG in Europe. Point is, who cares??? It's irrelevant. The guy isn't that good anymore.

He is BETTER than he was when he played in the NBA.

[dd24]

Yeah, the fact the NBA almost always drafts guys from Europe in the first round that are in the range of being the 200th-500th best players in Europe just might have something to do with that......

Or that they often draft guys in the second round from Europe, that don't even play professionally, or even play in HIGH SCHOOL TEAMS.......

And I mean, wow, there's never been an NCAA player drafted by the NBA that "lacked fundamentals".........

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

:rolleyes

Put down the crack pipe.

Haha, 200-500. You're list of 100 is scrubs. That's what started the whole debate in the first place. I keep asking (and you probably would lie anyway) but seriously, how old are you. It seems like you're probably a young kid (maybe 8-12) who loves basketball but just doesn't know the game very well yet. Which is fine. It would help us understand why you don't know anything about the game yet.

[eliteballer]

2. Nenad Krstic - 94


10. Sonny Weems - 77


12. Viktor Khryapa - 75


14. Jordan Farmar - 73


18. Maciej Lampe - 72


25. Zoran Planinic - 68


31. Sasha Vujacic - 65

:roll::oldlol:

[dd24]

Already went over this. The rules are now basically the same as NBA rules. Even the no hand check rule has been added.

Also, almost all other teams don't send all of their best players either.

Already went over this. Learn to read.

I can read fine. Your rules do help people who aren't as good at the game.

[Bodhi]

If Vassilis Spanoulis is 100, what would Lebron and Kobe be?

[Euroleague]

Haha, 200-500. You're list of 100 is scrubs. That's what started the whole debate in the first place. I keep asking (and you probably would lie anyway) but seriously, how old are you. It seems like you're probably a young kid (maybe 8-12) who loves basketball but just doesn't know the game very well yet. Which is fine. It would help us understand why you don't know anything about the game yet.

Why is the NBA so obssessed with drafting and signing Euroleague scrubs every year?

Why is the NBA actually drafting guys every year, that CAN"T make a Euroleague roster?

[CavaliersFTW]

http://answers.bettor.com/images/Articles/thumbs/extralarge/Euroleague-is-the-new-flavour-of-basketball-for-the-action-starved-fans-105217.jpg

:lol

[dd24]

http://answers.bettor.com/images/Articles/thumbs/extralarge/Euroleague-is-the-new-flavour-of-basketball-for-the-action-starved-fans-105217.jpg

:lol

That one seriously made me lol. :lol :lol :lol :cheers:

[red1]

If Vassilis Spanoulis is 100, what would Lebron and Kobe be?
scouter would break

[dd24]

Why is the NBA so obssessed with drafting and signing Euroleague scrubs every year?

Why is the NBA actually drafting guys every year, that CAN"T make a Euroleague roster?

How old are you???

[Euroleague]

I can read fine. Your rules do help people who aren't as good at the game.

Yes, they do.

Under the old FIBA rules............

USA lost in 2002, 2004, and 2006.........

Under the new FIBA rules (which copy and mimic NBA play)

USA has not lost.

I agree with you 100%. The rules are totally designed to help people that are not as good at the game - specifically Team USA.

[Euroleague]

If Vassilis Spanoulis is 100, what would Lebron and Kobe be?

The scale is only to 100. So obviously, the highest they could be is also 100.

[dd24]

Yes, they do.

Under the old FIBA rules............

USA lost in 2002, 2004, and 2006.........

Under the new FIBA rules (which copy and mimic NBA play)

USA has not lost.

I agree with you 100%. The rule are totally designed to help people that are not as good at the game - specifically Team USA.

They helped teams from other countries win against a team of players from the US that wasn't that good. You help me make my point 8 year old. Honestly, seek professional help. If anything good can come from this, it's that you seek out the help that you need.

[CavaliersFTW]

The scale is only to 100. So obviously, the highest they could be is also 100.
So V-span is the pinnacle of how good a basketball player can possibly get?

If Lebron James / Kobe Bryant / Michael Jordan / Wilt Chamberlain / Larry Bird / Magic Johnson etc were on that list, they would be no better than V-span?


















































http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/stephen-a-smith-laugh.gif

[Euroleague]

http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/13/23/30/2962954/7/628x471.jpg

http://www.deseretnews.com/images/article/midres/804192/804192.jpg

http://lub-cdn.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/superphoto/10873975.jpg

http://i.usatoday.net/sports/gallery/2010/12/30/nba-magic-knickspg-vertical.jpg

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/incoming/article4177676.ece/BINARY/w620/rebound

http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000KcumOYst6sI/s/860/860/I0Z7354.jpg

http://www.bookieblitz.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/lakers-gasol-and-timberwolves-love-fight-for-rebound-during-their-nba-basketball-game-los-angeles-300x238.jpg

http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2011/02/22/ap110220075987_custom-7367d04fa40a468945471a075aea91bcdf5b027c-s51.jpg

http://d.yimg.com/i/ng/sp/ap_photo/20110320/all/l5098867.jpg

[Overdrive]

So V-span is the pinnacle of how good a basketball player can possibly get?

If Lebron James / Kobe Bryant / Michael Jordan / Wilt Chamberlain / Larry Bird / Magic Johnson etc were on that list, they would be no better than V-span?


Obviously the best player gets 100 and the rest is ranked relative to the best player, meaning if Jordan was on that list V-Span would be at 3-5 instead of 100.

[gabepizza]

USA

Won gold at the 2008 Olympics, 2010 World Championship, and 2012 Olympics where they beat Nigeria by 83 points.

Greece and Spanoulis

5th place at the 2008 Olympics, 11 place at the 2010 World Championship and did not even make the Olympics in 2012 because they lost to Nigeria.

Andrei Kirilenko who was a solid role player in the NBA goes to Euroleague and becomes the League MVP and Defensive Player of the Year!!

If he was still in Euroleague he would be ranked 100.

Yes everybody Kirilenko last year was voted not only the best defensive player in Euroleague but the most valuable player as well. In fact he was one jump shot away from being the Final Four MVP as well.

So this is the level of Euroleague. Kirilenko is their best player. Now he is back in the NBA where he will continue to be a role player.

[dd24]

See Euroleague. That whole post is why I think you need help. Go back and read what you've posted. Say it out loud and you'll see how off it is. You're young yet. You can go to your parents (hopefully). This is what you need to do. Have your parents get you some help.

[Euroleague]

They helped teams from other countries win against a team of players from the US that wasn't that good. You help me make my point 8 year old. Honestly, seek professional help. If anything good can come from this, it's that you seek out the help that you need.

The old FIBA rules - Team USA lost 3 tournaments in a row

The new FIBA rules, which copy the NBA - Team USA won 3 in a row.

Yes, the FIBA rules help players that are not as good at basketball to win, by making everyone else play under different rules.

The rules help Team USA win (because they are not good enough to win if they have to play under the old rules).

So yes, the rules are designed to help Team USA win, since they are not good enough to win under the original rules.

[Euroleague]

So V-span is the pinnacle of how good a basketball player can possibly get?

If Lebron James / Kobe Bryant / Michael Jordan / Wilt Chamberlain / Larry Bird / Magic Johnson etc were on that list, they would be no better than V-span?

Spanoulis is currently the third best player in the world - and that is at the worst he could be. The only two players in the world that you could argue are as good or better are LeBron and Durant.

He's clearly better than every other player on the planet.

[red1]

Obviously the best player gets 100 and the rest is ranked relative to the best player, meaning if Jordan was on that list V-Span would be at 3-5 instead of 100.
:lol

MJ 100
KAJ100
Magic 98


Tyson Chandler 50


V-span 4.6

[dd24]

The old FIBA rules - Team USA lost 3 tournaments in a row

The new FIBA rules, which copy the NBA - Team USA won 3 in a row.

Yes, the FIBA rules help players that are not as good at basketball to win, by making everyone else play under different rules.

The rules help Team USA win (because they are not good enough to win if they have to play under the old rules).

So yes, the rules are designed to help Team USA win, since they are not good enough to win under the original rules.

I'm being very serious. There's something that you need help with. Posting on a message board isn't going to fix it. Please, go to your parents and find someone that you can talk to that can help you straighten these things out.

[dd24]

Spanoulis is currently the third best player in the world - and that is at the worst he could be. The only two players in the world that you could argue are as good or better are LeBron and Durant.

He's clearly better than every other player on the planet.

Please go seek help.

[wally_world]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m78j2t4Dbz1qdlh1io1_400.gif

:wtf: :facepalm :biggums:

[Euroleague]

USA

Won gold at the 2008 Olympics, 2010 World Championship, and 2012 Olympics where they beat Nigeria by 83 points.

Greece and Spanoulis

5th place at the 2008 Olympics, 11 place at the 2010 World Championship and did not even make the Olympics in 2012 because they lost to Nigeria.

Andrei Kirilenko who was a solid role player in the NBA goes to Euroleague and becomes the League MVP and Defensive Player of the Year!!

If he was still in Euroleague he would be ranked 100.

Yes everybody Kirilenko last year was voted not only the best defensive player in Euroleague but the most valuable player as well. In fact he was one jump shot away from being the Final Four MVP as well.

So this is the level of Euroleague. Kirilenko is their best player. Now he is back in the NBA where he will continue to be a role player.

USA under the original FIBA rules..............

6th place in 2002

3rd place in 2004

3rd place in 2006

USA then forced FIBA to change the rules to mimic NBA rules, because they could no longer win any tournaments under the original FIBA rules.

[Heavincent]

Spanoulis is currently the third best player in the world - and that is at the worst he could be. The only two players in the world that you could argue are as good or better are LeBron and Durant.

He's clearly better than every other player on the planet.

My God...

[dd24]

USA under the original FIBA rules..............

6th place in 2002

3rd place in 2004

3rd place in 2006

USA then forced FIBA to change the rules to mimic NBA rules, because they could no longer win any tournaments under the original FIBA rules.

See what you're writing??? I really think you need to see someone. Get yourself some help.

[Overdrive]

USA under the original FIBA rules..............

6th place in 2002

3rd place in 2004

3rd place in 2006

USA then forced FIBA to change the rules to mimic NBA rules, because they could no longer win any tournaments under the original FIBA rules.

The difference is not the rules, the difference is that Team USA is about the only team that changes it's roster completely every 2-4 years. All thoser teams that beat them have been together for years. How many times did the US lose, when they brought in their top talent(with the old rules btw)?

Those were joke teams. No way they lose in these years with the likes of Shaq, KG, Kobe, et al on their roster.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

USA under the original FIBA rules..............

6th place in 2002

3rd place in 2004

3rd place in 2006

USA then forced FIBA to change the rules to mimic NBA rules, because they could no longer win any tournaments under the original FIBA rules.

Nigeria beat Greece; USA beat Nigeria by 70 points.

[CavaliersFTW]

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/273/f/6/v_span_white_people_by_dantheman9758-d5gdopy.gif

3rd best basketball player on the planet

[KG215]

Spanoulis is currently the third best player in the world - and that is at the worst he could be. The only two players in the world that you could argue are as good or better are LeBron and Durant.

He's clearly better than every other player on the planet.

Dude, come on. Really? Without a doubt? Clearly he's better than every other player on the planet not named Durant or LeBron? So he's clearly better than Dwight Howard? Chris Paul? Kobe Bryant? Dwyane Wade?

[gabepizza]

USA under the original FIBA rules..............

6th place in 2002

3rd place in 2004

3rd place in 2006

USA then forced FIBA to change the rules to mimic NBA rules, because they could no longer win any tournaments under the original FIBA rules.

The US loses 3 tournaments. 3 out of the 10 tournaments they used NBA players for. 7-3 in global tournaments. No team in any sport can even come close to the dominance the US has in basketball. Hell part of me wants the US to lose again just to make in interesting.

How many times has Greece won? Zero. It must be so hard to be a Greek fan, they came close in 2006 but still lost. Then they got worse and worse until the embarrassment this summer of getting raped by Nigeria.

But being a US fan is so great, especially kicking the asses of all those slow Euro teams. Now we get to watch the best league where the best players won gold yet again and poor you has to go back to Euroleague when now the whole world knows that your team got eliminated by the same team that lost to the US by 83 points. Man what a difference.

I'm sorry. I mean at least in 2006 Euroleague seemed on the up and up to compete with the US but after the debacle this summer Euroleague is in the class of the D-league or CBA.

NIGERIA thank you so much for embarasing those Euroleague scrubs. It is an honor to get to play against NBA super stars and they did not want to get their hands dirty by having to play a shit team like Greece. Hell I bet some players would ask Kobe for an autograph after they got their ass beat, like Tunisia did and everybody knows Tunisia is a lot better than those unathletic scrubs from Greece.

[BoutPractice]

People forget that:
- Krstic used to average 16 and 7 in the NBA, and was a key piece on a playoff team for a few years.
- He's not much more "dominant" in the Euroleague. He only averages 14 a game there, and if you watch the games, it's not like he's suddenly turned into an unstoppable beast. He's still Nenad Krstic. A good post player that will contribute offensively for your team. Nothing more, nothing less.

The Euroleague game is based on team play, not individual brilliance.
Individual accolades reward players that are on the best teams, and the best teams in the Euroleague are generally deep and full of good to very good players rather than top heavy.

[LongLiveTheKing]

Spanoulis is currently the third best player in the world - and that is at the worst he could be. The only two players in the world that you could argue are as good or better are LeBron and Durant.

He's clearly better than every other player on the planet.
How can you actually believe that?

[dd24]

How can you actually believe that?

That poster is dilusional. I actually think it might be a kid that just doesn't understand the game of basketball yet.

[gabepizza]

People forget that:
- Krstic used to average 16 and 7 in the NBA, and was a key piece on a playoff team for a few years.
- He's not much more "dominant" in the Euroleague. He only averages 14 a game there, and if you watch the games, it's not like he's suddenly turned into an unstoppable beast. He's still Nenad Krstic. A good post player that will contribute offensively for your team. Nothing more, nothing less.

The Euroleague game is based on team play, not individual brilliance.
Individual accolades reward players that are on the best teams, and the best teams in the Euroleague are generally deep and full of good to very good players rather than top heavy.

Use to average 16 and 7 in the NBA? That was his best 1/3 season in the NBA when he only played 26 days because he tore his ACL. His next five years in the NBA after the injury he had never averaged more than 9.7 ppg and 5.5 rpg. His NBA average is 10 and 5.5.

And he is dominant in the Euroleague. He was voted all-Eurleague 1st team center, meaning he was voted the best center in the league and his team was the runners up in the final. Even this post by Euroleague shows that stat wise he was the 2nd best player in Euroleague.

And I'm not sure if you're intentionally misleading or unaware when you say he "only averages 14 a game there". In a 40 minute Euroleague game 14 ppg made Krstic the 2nd leader scorer in the league. He was the 2nd leader scorer, the third in rebounds and was on the 2nd best team. If that is not dominate in Euroleague than only 1 or 2 players in the whole league were dominant. Maybe you don't like the world but no one can argue that Krstic was not one of the top 5 players in the league. Pretty good for someone who averaged 8.1 and 4.7 his last year in the NBA.

[Nash]

Spanoulis is currently the third best player in the world - and that is at the worst he could be. The only two players in the world that you could argue are as good or better are LeBron and Durant.

He's clearly better than every other player on the planet.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

I'm in tears, honestly, no lie. Not laughed so much in a long time. Thank you.

[Euroleague]

The difference is not the rules, the difference is that Team USA is about the only team that changes it's roster completely every 2-4 years. All thoser teams that beat them have been together for years. How many times did the US lose, when they brought in their top talent(with the old rules btw)?

Those were joke teams. No way they lose in these years with the likes of Shaq, KG, Kobe, et al on their roster.

Team USA's core players were playing with Team USA since 2004 to 2006 - easily one of the longest tenured cores of any national team.

Also, numerous European teams change half their team or more every tournament.

You are just totally making up untrue nonsense.

[Euroleague]

Dude, come on. Really? Without a doubt? Clearly he's better than every other player on the planet not named Durant or LeBron? So he's clearly better than Dwight Howard? Chris Paul? Kobe Bryant? Dwyane Wade?

At the current time..yes, he is.

[Heavincent]

At the current time..yes, he is.

He's not even top 100 currently. I'm not kidding. Hell, he might not even be top 200.

[Euroleague]

And he is dominant in the Euroleague.

You sir, are a ****ing moron of the highest order.

[Euroleague]

He's not even top 100 currently. I'm not kidding. Hell, he might not even be top 200.

1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. Spanoulis


Top 3 best basket ballers in the world today. PERIOD.

[Heavincent]

1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. Spanoulis


Top 3 best basket ballers in the world today. PERIOD.

Maybe in your little fantasy land. But on planet Earth? He's not even top 100. Just a fact.

You do have an incredibly warped sense of reality though. 2+2=Spanoulis in your world.

[iamgine]

He averaged 16 and 7 in the NBA regular season, and 18 and 8 in the NBA playoffs.
Oh you mean before Nenad Krstic becomes prime Wilt Chamberlain in Euroleague?

[fpliii]

1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. Spanoulis


Top 3 best basket ballers in the world today. PERIOD.

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/basketball/european-basketball/euro-league?ev_oc_grp_ids=35855

Milan's 25/1 to win it all right now...what are the odds they make it out of the group stage?

[KG215]

At the current time..yes, he is.

What are you basing that on?

[gabepizza]

Team USA's core players were playing with Team USA since 2004 to 2006 - easily one of the longest tenured cores of any national team.

Also, numerous European teams change half their team or more every tournament.

You are just totally making up untrue nonsense.

The only USA players in this past Olympics from the 2004 team were James and Anthony.
While Spain had Pau Gasol, Fernandez, Navarro, Reyes and Calderon.
Argentina had Ginobli, Nocioni, Scola and Delfino.
In fact all those Spanish and Argentinian players played in 2002, except Delfino and Fernandez, while not one player from the USA's 2012 Olympic squad did.

Again caught you in a blatant lie.

[Kobr]

1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. Spanoulis


Top 3 best basket ballers in the world today. PERIOD.

Nobody but you believes that.

[KG215]

The only USA players in this past Olympics from the 2004 team were James and Anthony.
While Spain had Pau Gasol, Fernandez, Navarro, Reyes and Calderon.
Argentina had Ginobli, Nocioni, Scola and Delfino.
In fact all those Spanish and Argentinian players played in 2002, except Delfino and Fernandez, while not one player from the USA's 2012 Olympic squad did.

Again caught you in a blatant lie.

Not to mention LeBron and Melo had just finished up their rookie seasons in the NBA. They weren't even close to being as good as they were in 2008 and 2012.

[gabepizza]

1. LeBron
2. Durant
3. Spanoulis


Top 3 best basket ballers in the world today. PERIOD.

201. Diogu
202. Dagunduro
203. Spanoulis

A real look at the top 203 best basket ballers in the world today.

http://london2012.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/12/olym/p/gid/A/grid/13/rid/9051/sid/6229/game.html

Man look at this box score again. Spanoulis hit only 6 of his 12 free throws. Maybe if Spanoulis hit more than 50% of his free throws he wouldn't be the embarrassment of his country and Euroleague in being the leader the 1st team in FIBA history to loss a playoff game to an African team (which by the way lost to the US by 83)

[KingBeasley08]

wow kristic is one of the best players in euroleague! and i thought the nba was having problem with big men lmao

[KingBeasley08]

http://answers.bettor.com/images/Articles/thumbs/extralarge/Euroleague-is-the-new-flavour-of-basketball-for-the-action-starved-fans-105217.jpg

:lol
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[coin24]

Shitnoulis 3rd best in the world?
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


The same scrub who got blocked by NIGERIA and cost his team an olympic spot???:lol We are not worthy:bowdown:

[coin24]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cPnCmLAqMTU/TUSFu_tD-sI/AAAAAAAAAB8/fFsMuaSXr_0/s1600/gay-robin.jpg

[KG215]

I've gotta think Euroleague thinks being the best player in Euroleague means you're in the discussion for best player in the world.

At least he admits LeBron and Durant are better.

[Kobr]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/LeBronJamesMiamiHeat2010.jpg/170px-LeBronJamesMiamiHeat2010.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Kevin_Durant_dunk.jpg/150px-Kevin_Durant_dunk.jpg http://i.imgur.com/mDdDT.jpg

It's cool that a 40 year old PE teacher looking guy with a unibrow can make it into the top 3.

[Psileas]

Maybe in your little fantasy land. But on planet Earth? He's not even top 100. Just a fact.

You do have an incredibly warped sense of reality though. 2+2=Spanoulis in your world.

No, remember, Spanoulis is #3, not #4.

[Overdrive]

Team USA's core players were playing with Team USA since 2004 to 2006 - easily one of the longest tenured cores of any national team.

Also, numerous European teams change half their team or more every tournament.

You are just totally making up untrue nonsense.

Just because some players overlap doesn't mean it's the same core. Those players still in the team US were riding the pine back in '04 only playing in garbage time. In '06 they started to be the core, but they were pretty young and inexperienced. Still not the best players to play a international tournament.

[Euroleague]

Just because some players overlap doesn't mean it's the same core. Those players still in the team US were riding the pine back in '04 only playing in garbage time. In '06 they started to be the core, but they were pretty young and inexperienced. Still not the best players to play a international tournament.

Then the core comes from 2006. STILL one of the longest tenured cores of any national team BY FAR.

[CavaliersFTW]

Then the core comes from 2006. STILL one of the longest tenured cores of any national team BY FAR.
Wrong.

[KingBeasley08]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cPnCmLAqMTU/TUSFu_tD-sI/AAAAAAAAAB8/fFsMuaSXr_0/s1600/gay-robin.jpg
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

dude should be wearing a squirrelgirl costume :roll:

[RRR3]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

dude should be wearing a squirrelgirl costume :roll:
http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/d19a6688ed675bd3c67f0d9b91f802d8.jpg

[Miller for 3]

http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/d19a6688ed675bd3c67f0d9b91f802d8.jpg

:applause: :applause:

:bowdown: :bowdown:

[coin24]

http://fotos.fotoflexer.com/d19a6688ed675bd3c67f0d9b91f802d8.jpg

:roll: :roll: :roll: :bowdown:

[gabepizza]

Then the core comes from 2006. STILL one of the longest tenured cores of any national team BY FAR.

Yes one of the longest tenured cores of any national team by far while Spain had Pau Gasol, Navarro, Reyes and Calderon since 2002 and added Fernandez 2004.

Argentina had Ginobli, Nocioni, and Scola since 2002 and and added Delfino in 2004.

Yet the USA with only James, Anthony from 2004 and Paul from 2006 have the longest national team.

The real question is do you believe all the bullshit you post or are you just trolling. I'm going with trolling.

[Rooster]

Average total salary compensation in Euroleague is = $1 million US gross.

Awfully odd how these "ballers around the LA area" choose not to go make a million a year, even though they are "better than any players on that list".

I guess these "LA ballers" are all super rich guys, that don't even need pocket change like a million bucks a year.......................

:facepalm

They are playing in NBA and some still playing college and high school.:(

The fact that Farmar and Batiste are among the best players:oldlol:

In Euroleague

Means its a shitty league.

Scrubs and soft unathletic bum like Spanoulis at 1.

This pretty much confirm the crappy minor league in Europe.

[skan72]

EL enjoys referencing games and events that happened awhile back, like two NBA champions losing to Euroleague teams, and Team USA not beating international competition. But what does that have to do with today's NBA compared to today's Euroleague? Nothing. Squat.

Way more often than not, NBA teams beat Euroleague teams and Team USA wins over other national teams.

Keep referencing Krstic's best season in the NBA, not the one he had before going over to the Euroleague. That wouldn't make sense at all. :hammerhead:

[gabepizza]

EL enjoys referencing games and events that happened awhile back, like two NBA champions losing to Euroleague teams, and Team USA not beating international competition. But what does that have to do with today's NBA compared to today's Euroleague? Nothing. Squat.

Way more often than not, NBA teams beat Euroleague teams and Team USA wins over other national teams.

Keep referencing Krstic's best season in the NBA, not the one he had before going over to the Euroleague. That wouldn't make sense at all. :hammerhead:

Yeah especially since the NBA is like 37-7 against Euroleague teams this decade and the USA has won the past three international tournaments. It's sports so yes over the course of many games eventually the better team will lose one or two. Hell MLS teams have even beaten English Premier Teams in exhibitions, does that mean the leagues are equal?

So yes occasionally an NBA team will lose to a Euroleague team in an exhibition game and one of these days, yes, Team USA might lose again. The NBA is still the best league and Team USA still the best team by far.

Should we judge Greece's loss to Nigeria as saying Greece is equal than Nigeria? And I'm not going to take the time to do the research but I'm sure many times Euroleague teams, even the top ones, have lost to non-Euroleague teams in their national leagues. Just for one example I know that when D-Will was with Besiktas which was in the third team Eurochallenge, they beat the one Euroleague team they faced, Fenerbahce. And that game counted? Does that mean Eurocup is equal to Euroleague?

He keeps mentioning when Barca beat the Lakers well that was one game a Euroleague team won after losing 19 in a row and it was in Barcelona and Kobe was not 100% and they won by 4. How about the time when the defending Euroleague champions Panathinaikos came to the US and not only lost to the NBA champions Spurs by 22 but also lost to the Rockets by 37. Or when the defending Euroleague champions CSKA Moscow came over and lost to the Raptors by and the Magic by 28!

[Euroleague]

Yes one of the longest tenured cores of any national team by far while Spain had Pau Gasol, Navarro, Reyes and Calderon since 2002 and added Fernandez 2004.

Argentina had Ginobli, Nocioni, and Scola since 2002 and and added Delfino in 2004.

Yet the USA with only James, Anthony from 2004 and Paul from 2006 have the longest national team.

The real question is do you believe all the bullshit you post or are you just trolling. I'm going with trolling.

Yeah, because USA, Spain, and Argentina are the only three national teams in the world............

:rolleyes:

[b1imtf]

Yeah, because USA, Spain, and Argentina are the only three national teams in the world............

:rolleyes:
I don't know how people forget Nigeria :facepalm

[Euroleague]

The Bwin 2013-14 Euroleague season player ratings are now out. The ratings are based on statistical performance in Euroleague, Eurocup, FIBA EuroChallenge, national domestic leagues (whatever national league in the world that might be), NBA, NBA D-League, and NCAA, with the ratings weighted by strength of the leagues.


2013-14 Euroleague Season Player's Overall Ratings


1. Vassilis Spanoulis - 100

2. Dimitris Diamantidis - 90

3. Rudy Fernandez - 90

4. Viktor Khryapa - 88

5. Ante Tomic - 87

6. Juan Carlos Navarro - 84

7. Nikola Mirotic - 84

8. Nenad Krstic - 83

9. Bojan Bogdanovic - 80

10. Zoran Planinic - 77

11. Sonny Weems - 77

12. Milos Teodosic - 75

13. Shawn James - 75

14. Stephane Lasme - 74

15. Bo McCalebb - 74

16. Kyle Hines - 73

17. Kostas Papanikolaou - 73

18. Erazem Lorbek - 72

19. Jeremy Pargo - 72

20. Linas Kleiza - 71

21. Maciej Lampe - 70

22. Andres Nocioni - 70

23. Bostjan Nachbar - 70

24. Devin Smith - 70

25. Ioannis Bourousis - 69

26. Ricky Hickman - 69

27. Jamont Gordon - 68

28. Keith Langford - 68

29. Curtis Jerrells - 67

30. Carlos Arroyo - 65

31. Marcelinho Huertas - 65

32. Dusko Savanovic - 65

33. Deon Thompson - 63

34. Luka Zoric - 62

35. Walter Hodge - 62

36. Daniel Hackett - 62

37. Henry Domercant - 61

38. Jamon Gordon - 61

39. Fernando San Emeterio - 60

40. Jaycee Carroll - 60

41. Vitaly Fridzon - 60

42. Sergio Llull - 60

43. Aleks Maric - 60

44. Bryant Dunston - 60

45. Lamont Hamilton - 60

46. John Bryant - 59

47. Paulius Jankunas - 59

48. Derrick Brown - 58

49. Acie Law - 58

50. David Moss - 57

51. Kostas Vasileiadis - 57

52. Malcolm Delaney - 57

53. Antonis Fotsis - 56

54. James Gist - 56

55. Blake Schilb - 56

56. Alessandrio Gentile - 55

57. Carlos Suarez - 55

58. Tyrese Rice - 55

59. Nathan Jawai - 55

60. Alexis Ajinca - 54

61. Felipe Reyes - 54

62. Milan Macvan - 54

63. Jonas Maciulis - 54

64. Tarence Kinsey - 54

65. Artur Drozdov - 53

66. Joe Ingles - 53

67. Ramel Curry - 53

68. Marcus Williams - 53

69. Georgios Printezis - 53

70. Joey Dorsey - 53

71. Mike Batiste - 53

72. Sasha Kaun - 53

73. Tomas Ress - 53

74. Sergio Rodriguez - 52

75. Anton Gavel - 52

76. Mindaugas Kuzminskas - 52

77. Nemanja Bjelica - 52

78. Robin Benzing - 52

79. Darjus Lavrinovic - 52

80. Semih Erden - 52

81. C.J. Wallace - 51

82. Ricardo Greer - 51

83. Richard Hendrix - 51

84. Spencer Nelson - 51

85. Jaka Blazic - 51

86. Justin Dentmon - 51

87. Ali Traore - 50

88. Mirza Begic - 50

89. Nik Caner-Medley - 50

90. Robertas Javtokas - 50

91. Sharrod Ford - 50

92. Sofoklis Schortsanitis - 50

93. Earl Calloway - 50

94. Erick Green - 50

95. Kim English - 50

96. Nihad Djedovic - 50

97. Scotty Hopson - 50

98. Stratos Perperoglou - 49

99. Zack Wright - 49

100. Krunoslav Simon - 48

101. Leo Westermann - 48

102. Roko Ukic - 48

103. Manu Markoishvili - 48

104. Martynas Pocius - 48

105. Rasko Katic - 48

106. Brent Petway - 47

107. Dejan Musli - 47

108. Novica Velickovic - 47

109. R.T. Guinn - 47

110. Samardo Samuels - 47

111. Michael Bramos - 47

112. DeShaun Thomas - 47

113. Josh Carter - 47

114. Mantas Kalnietis - 47

115. Brad Oleson - 46

116. Matt Lojeski - 46

117. Ricky Minard - 46

118. Ryan Toolson - 46

119. DeMarcus Nelson - 46

120. Tibor Pleiss - 46

121. Joffrey Lauvergne - 45

122. Othello Hunter - 45

123. Will Daniels - 45

124. Zoran Erceg - 45

125. Janis Strelnieks - 45

126. Casey Jacobsen - 45

127. Charles Jenkins - 45

128. Christian Eyenga - 45

129. Emir Preldzic - 45

130. Fabien Causeur - 45

131. Simas Jasaitis - 45

132. Tremmell Darden - 45

133. Kevin Lisch - 44

134. Aaron Jackson - 44

135. Antoine Diot - 44

136. Heiko Schaffartzik - 44

137. Victor Sada - 44

138. Kerem Gonlum - 44

139. Loukas Mavrokefalidis - 44

140. Craig Brackins - 43

141. Dragan Milosavljevic - 43

142. Kevin Murphy - 43

143. Rakim Sanders - 43

144. Travis Leslie - 43

145. Zoran Dragic - 43

146. Trent Meacham - 43

147. Fran Vazquez - 42

148. Leo Mainoldi - 42

149. Nicolo Melli - 42

150. Jacob Pullen - 42

151. Jayson Granger - 42

152. Lukasz Koszarek - 42

153. Micah Downs - 42

154. Przemyslaw Zamojski - 42

155. Yogev Ohayon - 42

156. Louis Campbell - 41

157. Taylor Rochestie - 41

158. Alex Tyus - 41

159. Boban Marjanovic - 41

160. Chevon Troutman - 41

161. David Barlow - 41

162. Ivan Radenovic - 40

163. Marcus Slaughter - 40

164. Vangelis Mantzaris - 40

165. DaJuan Summers - 40

166. Jamar Smith - 40

167. Arturas Milaknis - 39

168. Bogdan Bogdanovic - 38

169. Kostas Sloukas - 38

170. Marquez Haynes - 38

171. Dontaye Draper - 38

172. Thomas Heurtel - 38

173. Djordje Gagic - 38

174. Furkan Aldemir - 38

175. Oguz Savas - 38

176. Rafael Hettsheimeir - 38

177. Stanko Barac - 38

178. Tim Abromaitis - 38

179. Russell Robinson - 37

180. Kristjan Kangur - 37

181. Michailis Anisimov - 37

182. Yassin Ibdihi - 37

183. Adrian Oliver - 36

184. Blake Ahearn - 36

185. Sergi Vidal - 36

186. Salah Mejri - 35

187. Omer Onan - 35

188. Sinan Guler - 35

189. Ender Arslan - 35

190. Vladimir Micov - 35

191. Txemi Urtasun - 34

192. Erwin Dudley - 34

193. Gasper Vidmar - 34

194. Maik Zirbes - 34

195. Tadas Klimavicius - 34

196. Alexey Zhukanenko - 33

197. Jake Cohen - 33

198. Jo Passave-Ducteil - 33

199. Vladimir Stimac - 33

200. Adam Hanga - 33

201. Axel Toupane - 33

202. Lucca Staiger - 33

203. Marko Simonovic - 33

204. Vlantimir Giankovits - 33

205. Vytenis Lipkevicius - 33

206. John Goldsberry - 32

207. Cenk Akyol - 31

208. Guy Pnini - 31

209. Aaron Cel - 31

210. Steffen Hamann - 30

211. Ilkan Karaman - 29

212. Kostiantyn Anikiienko - 29

213. Nikola Milutinov - 29

214. Jeffrey Viggiano - 29

215. Bryce Taylor - 28

216. Siim-Sander Vene - 28

217. Xavier Corosine - 28

218. Aleksandar Cvetkovic - 27

219. Dimitrios Katsivelis - 26

220. Valery Likhodey - 26

221. Andrey Vorontsevich - 26

222. Angelo Gigli - 26

223. Benjamin Ortner - 26

224. Branko Lazic - 25

225. David Jelinek - 25

226. Marcin Sroka - 25

227. Nikos Pappas - 25

228. Dogus Balbay - 25

229. Mohamed Toure - 25

230. Yuval Naimy - 25

231. Cedric Simmons - 25

232. Daniel Clark - 23

233. Gaios Skordilis - 22

234. Mouhammadou Jaiteh - 22

235. Daniel Schmidt - 22

236. Sergey Bykov - 22

237. Maxim Grigoryev - 22

238. Demond Greene - 21

239. Paul Lacombe - 21

240. Engin Atsur - 21

241. Dimitrios Mavroeidis - 21

242. Marko Todorovic - 20

243. Sergiy Gorbenko - 20

244. Alex Abrines - 20

245. Jeremy Nzeulie - 20

246. Sylven Landesberg - 20

247. Baris Ermis - 20

248. David Cournooh - 20

249. Vytenis Cizauskas - 20

250. Jeremy Leloup - 18

251. Karsten Tadda - 18

252. Djoko Salic - 18

253. Izzet Turkylmaz - 17

254. Romain Duport - 17

255. Kamil Chanas - 17

256. Marc Judith - 17

257. Olexandr Nerush - 17

258. Boris Dallo - 16

259. Evgeniy Voronov - 15

260. Huseyin Koksal - 15

261. Mihajlo Andric - 15

262. Mindaugas Kupsas - 15

263. Shang Ping - 14

264. Mario Hezonja - 14

265. Jerry Boutsiele - 13

266. Olexandr Tischenko - 13

267. Philipp Neumann - 13

268. Aleksey Zozulin - 13

269. Tomas Dimsa - 13

270. Kaspars Vecvagars - 12

271. Arturas Gudaitis - 12

272. Deniz Kilicli - 12

273. Ilimane Diop - 12

274. Andrey Zubkov - 11

275. Dani Diez - 11

276. Devon Van Oostrum- 10

277. Birkan Batur - 10

278. Domantas Sabonis - 10

279. Luka Mitrovic - 9

280. Grigoriy Shuhovtsov - 8

281. Mattia Udom - 8

282. Cedi Osman - 8

283. Melih Mahmutoglu - 7

284. Bruno Cerella - 7

285. Mutlu Demir - 7

286. David Chiotti - 6

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Rudy Fernandez - 90

Guy was a 70 rating in NBA 2K a few years back. :oldlol:

[Euroleague]

Guy was a 70 rating in NBA 2K a few years back. :oldlol:

These are not video game ratings.

[Human Error]

If Nenad Kristic is 94, what would be LeBron James? 2,000?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

These are not video game ratings.

They might as well be. Rudy Fernandez is nowhere near a 90 playing in the NBA.

[TOLATE]

shawn james way too low

[niko]

If Spanoulis is a 100, does the scale go to negative numbers?

[KG215]

Vassilis "Loses to Nigeria and Fails to Qualify for the Olympics and Loses to Slovenia, Finland, and Croatia and Fails to Qualify for the World Championships" Spanoulis is the best player in Europe...still?


Excuse me if I don't take that list seriously.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

how did vspan get a 100 with a 2.7 nba ppg?

[ralph_i_el]

How funny you are, so now it's the "top NBA players could start in Euroleague". Before this thread was posted, listing all the NBA rotation players that are listed way down on this list...........

it was, "Brian Scalabrine would be prime Wilt Chamberlain in Euroleague".

Now it is revised to, "the top NBA players could start in Euroleague".


The only thing more pathetic than the trolling of you clowns, is that you somehow actually think you are winning these arguments and not being made to look like complete idiots. You are so delusional that you actually think you come across with insight.

:roll:

You're the only person who looks like an idiot. He said TOP players not Scal. Most of the top 150 NBA players could win the Euroleague MVP

[niko]

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.mandatory.com/media/2013/03/kayla-collins-galleryframe.jpg
V_SPAN RULES!

[Euroleague]

If Nenad Kristic is 94, what would be LeBron James? 2,000?

Krstic is rated 83, not 94. That was last year.

[Euroleague]

You're the only person who looks like an idiot. He said TOP players not Scal. Most of the top 150 NBA players could win the Euroleague MVP

:lol :oldlol: :roll: :facepalm :rolleyes:

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[niko]

:lol :oldlol: :roll: :facepalm :rolleyes:

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
I won it twice alone this decade. It's not that hard. I may let my 3 year old son play there next year.

[CavaliersFTW]

:lol :oldlol: :roll: :facepalm :rolleyes:

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm
http://youtu.be/o2oZWpqtNi4?t=12s

[gts]

I'm sorry I can't take this list seriously. Mikaiel von Rodmonivichski is ranked way to low

[secund2nun]

So after I proved every single thing you said to be wrong and a lie, you admit that it was, confirm what I said, and just PRETEND you know what you are talking about and PRETEND that you didn't just confirm everything I said, proving your original post was completely fabricated.........

:lol :roll: :roll: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :facepalm :facepalm

And you STILL lied about Jennings' stats. His Euroleague stats were 20 minutes per game (not 5 as you claimed) and he shot 38% from the field (not 45% as you just again lied).

Brandon Jennings sucks and as arguable the worst player in the NBA. His scoring, defense, passing and rebound all suck. Btw he shot just under 40% this season as a 24 year old.

[Dr.J4ever]

Euroleague, aren't you just tired of all this? What are you trying to prove? With so many people against you, I ask once again, genius or nut?

[BoutPractice]

At this point, the name Spanoulis has become a joke in and of itself thanks to the tireless work of Euroleague :lol

Krstic, though, is underrated on this board. He averaged 16/7 for New Jersey in 2007 (18 ppg per 36 minutes), and 18/7.5 in the playoffs. He was only 23 (which for a center is very young)... playing alongside the supposed 'Big 3' of Kidd, Carter and Jefferson, he often impressed me more than Jefferson. He clearly had the potential to be one of the best offensive centers in the league, his array of skills was impressive and wasn't the liability on defense some believe... he didn't capitalize on his great early seasons, didn't make the most of his opportunities, but to say he was a scrub is, plainly and simply, false.

[dd24]

At this point, the name Spanoulis has become a joke in and of itself thanks to the tireless work of Euroleague :lol

Krstic, though, is underrated on this board. He averaged 16/7 for New Jersey in 2007 (18 ppg per 36 minutes), and 18/7.5 in the playoffs. He was only 23 (which for a center is very young)... playing alongside the supposed 'Big 3' of Kidd, Carter and Jefferson, he often impressed me more than Jefferson. He clearly had the potential to be one of the best offensive centers in the league, his array of skills was impressive and wasn't the liability on defense some believe... he didn't capitalize on his great early seasons, didn't make the most of his opportunities, but to say he was a scrub is, plainly and simply, false.

I liked him before the injuries. Now he's not the same player at all though.