#51 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops

[Deuce Bigalow]

Dennis Rodman was voted the #50 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops.

7.3 PPG | 13.1 RPG | 1.8 APG

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[Deuce Bigalow]

The Top 50 is finished. Here are the voting results of #26-50.

#26 NBA Player Of All-Time
11- Bob Cousy
9- Dwyane Wade
6- Rick Barry
5- Scottie Pippen
4- Patrick Ewing
2- John Stockton
2- Allen Iverson
1- Steve Nash

#27 NBA Player Of All-Time
15- Scottie Pippen
12- Rick Barry
5- Dwyane Wade
3- Patrick Ewing
2- Allen Iverson
1- Clyde Drexler

#28 NBA Player Of All-Time
21- Rick Barry
10- Dwyane Wade
1- Reggie Miller

#29 NBA Player Of All-Time
18- Dwyane Wade
7- John Stockton
5- Willis Reed
2- Walt Frazier
1- Steve Nash
1- Patrick Ewing
1- Allen Iverson
1- Reggie Miller
1- Elvin Hayes

#30 NBA Player Of All-Time
11- Willis Reed
9- John Stockton
5- Patrick Ewing
4- Walt Frazier
2- Steve Nash
2- Clyde Drexler
1- Allen Iverson
1- Elvin Hayes
1- Gary Payton

#31 NBA Player Of All-Time
16- Patrick Ewing
14- John Stockton
3- Elvin Hayes
2- Walt Frazier
1- Pete Maravich
1- Steve Nash
1- Dave Cowens
1- Bill Walton

#32 NBA Player Of All-Time
17- John Stockton
7- Walt Frazier
1- Elvin Hayes
1- Bob McAdoo
1- Bill Walton

#33 NBA Player Of All-Time
9- Walt Frazier
3- Clyde Drexler
3- Dolph Schayes
2- Elvin Hayes
1- Nate Thurmond
1- Bill Walton
1- Bob McAdoo
1- Pete Maravich

#34 NBA Player Of All-Time
6- Clyde Drexler
5- Elvin Hayes
5- Steve Nash
4- Dave Cowens
4- Dolph Schayes
3- Bill Walton
2- Nate Thurmond
1- Paul Pierce
1- Bob McAdoo
1- George Gervin
1- Pete Maravich
1- Allen Iverson
1- Kevin McHale
1- Dennis Rodman
1- Gary Payton

#35 NBA Player Of All-Time
9- Steve Nash
7- Allen Iverson
4- Dave Cowens
4- Dolph Schayes
3- Elvin Hayes
2- Bill Walton
1- Kevin McHale

#36 NBA Player Of All-Time
9- Allen Iverson
7- Bill Walton
6- Dave Cowens
3- Dolph Schayes
3- Elvin Hayes
1- Dwight Howard
1- James Worthy
1- Bob McAdoo
1- Kevin Mchale
1- Gary Payton
1- Jason Kidd

#37 NBA Player Of All-Time
10- Dave Cowens
5- Bill Walton
3- Dolph Schayes
2- Gary Payton
1- Elvin Hayes
1- Pete Maravich
1- Dominique Wilkins
1- Dennis Rodman
1- James Worthy
1- Kevin McHale
1- Tracy McGrady

#38 NBA Player Of All-Time
9- Dolph Schayes
7- Gary Payton
6- Kevin McHale
4- Bill Walton
2- Jason Kidd
2- Dennis Rodman
1- Elvin Hayes
1- George Gervin

#39 NBA Player Of All-Time
14- Bill Walton
5- Kevin McHale
2- Jason Kidd
1- Dennis Rodman
1- Chris Paul
1- Pete Maravich
1- George Gervin

#40 NBA Player Of All-Time
7- Kevin McHale
4- Jason Kidd
2- Gary Payton
1- Paul Pierce
1- Bob McAdoo
1- Dennis Rodman
1- Elvin Hayes
1- Dominique Wilkins
1- George Gervin

#41 NBA Player Of All-Time
10- Jason Kidd
7- Wes Unseld
2- Paul Pierce
2- Elvin Hayes
2- George Gervin
2- Gary Payton
1- Gail Goodrich
1- Paul Arizin
1- Dennis Rodman

#42 NBA Player Of All-Time
7- Wes Unseld
4- Gary Payton
2- Paul Pierce
1- Paul Arizin
1- Nate Thurmond
1- George Gervin
1- Elvin Hayes

#43 NBA Player Of All-Time
9- Gary Payton
5- Elvin Hayes
3- Paul Pierce
2- Dennis Rodman
2- Paul Arizin
1- Sam Jones
1- George Gervin
1- Nate Thurmond

#44 NBA Player Of All-Time
9- Elvin Hayes
4- Dennis Rodman
2- Paul Pierce
2- Bob McAdoo
2- Paul Arizin
1- Kevin Johnson
1- Dwight Howard
1- Dominique Wilkins
1- George Gervin
1- Nate Thurmond

#45 NBA Player Of All-Time
9- Paul Arizin
3- Bob McAdoo
2- Dennis Rodman
2- Nate Thurmond
1- Paul Pierce
1- Reggie Miller
1- Dominique Wilkins
1- Chris Paul

#46 NBA Player Of All-Time
11- Bob McAdoo
5- Dominique Wilkins
3- Paul Pierce
3- Dennis Rodman
2- Nate Thurmond
2- George Gervin
1- Sam Jones
1- Dwight Howard

#47 NBA Player Of All-Time
7- Dominique Wilkins
6- Dwight Howard
3- Paul Pierce
2- George Gervin

#48 NBA Player Of All-Time
7- George Gervin
3- James Worthy
3- Paul Pierce
3- Dennis Rodman
2- Dwight Howard
2- Chris Paul
1- Nate Thurmond

#49 NBA Player Of All-Time
13- Paul Pierce
11- Dennis Rodman
3- James Worthy
3- Nate Thurmond
1- Billy Cunningham
1- Chris Paul

#50 NBA Player Of All-Time
6- Dennis Rodman
5- James Worthy
4- Nate Thurmond
2- Reggie Miller
2- Ray Allen
2- Dwight Howard
1- Chris Paul
1- Hal Greer
1- Pau Gasol


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#11-25 (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7777893&postcount=2)

[WillC]

Sam Jones.

He deserves to be in the top 50. Can't believe nobody voted for him in the last round of voting.

[SourPatchKids]

Lmao somebody voted for Pau last time? Anyways I vote for Paul. Chris Paul that is.

[Young X]

CP3

[Kblaze8855]

5 time all NBA first team....plus a 3 time DPOY....led a final team putting up 20/15 on the way and 40/14 to knock the Cavs out?

Like...9ish...if the last 12 picks didnt actually do more than Dwight.

That said....I wouldnt be mad if worthy or Nate won. they were in the 96 top 50 with good cause.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Dwight Howard

http://stk.dimemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/dwight-howard-37-2.jpg

[fpliii]

I'd really like to vote Nate, but he hasn't been getting support outside of myself or a couple of others.

I guess my vote is for whichever of CP3/Dwight has fewer votes at the end (since they look to be fighting it out for this spot).

[SourPatchKids]

Dwight Howard

http://stk.dimemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/dwight-howard-37-2.jpg
Good lord.... those veins.
Time to hit the gym!

[MiamiThrice]

Pau Gasol
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.179239!/img/httpImage/image.jpg

-2x NBA Champion (2009, 2010)
-Led 2010 Lakers to the championship as the best player
-4 x NBA Allstar
-18.7 PPG, 9.2 RPG 3.2 APG career numbers
-3 All NBA teams
-Two silver medals as the best player
-One of the most skilled bigmen of all-time
-Made the cover of the NBA video game in Spain

[RRR3]

Dwight Howard got robbed. I vote for Dwight again.

[L.Kizzle]

Pau Gasol, lol. I voted for Billy cunningham last time but forgot about Thurmond. I gotta do a little more soul searching to see who deserves this spot. Billy or Nate.

[Heavincent]

Pau Gasol
-Led 2010 Lakers to the championship as the best player


:roll: ISH comedian right here.


I'll vote for Ray Allen I guess.

[fsvr54]

Nate thurmond

[Boston C's]

Nobody is really voting for thurmond so I'ma go ray ray here :D

[WillC]

Voting for CP3 at this stage of his career would be like calling Penny Hardaway or Grant Hill a top 50 player of all-time in 1998 or calling Tracy McGrady a top 50 player of all-time in 2005.

i.e. Too early.

[BIZARRO]

He lost by one vote last time. Again, the player Magic Johnson called one of the top 5 or 10 playoff performers in history.

Big Game James Worthy.

[jlip]

Am I missing something? I'm shocked that I haven't seen anyone mention Jerry Lucas at all.

[Freedom Kid7]

Rodman at 50?
http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/sp/image/1340/16/1340167426705.png

I still say it's between Greer and Allen. Both had good longevity, both were good teammates, and both were capable of keeping a team intact. I vote Greer due to the fact Greer probably had a more complete game than Allen imo

[1987_Lakers]

Can't believe Pierce & Rodman got in ahead of Dwight Howard.

[StateOfMind12]

Can't believe Pierce & Rodman got in ahead of Dwight Howard.
Seeing that you tried to vote in Rodman over Pierce at #48, I'm not sure what you're complaining about. :oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

Seeing that you tried to vote in Rodman over Pierce at #48, I'm not sure what you're complaining about. :oldlol:

:oldlol:

I'll admit, I didn't want Pierce to win so I changed my vote to Rodman.

[Young X]

Voting for CP3 at this stage of his career would be like calling Penny Hardaway or Grant Hill a top 50 player of all-time in 1998 or calling Tracy McGrady a top 50 player of all-time in 2005.

i.e. Too early.
Those guys weren't as accomplished as Paul is by their 7th seasons. Paul has a ROY, 2 assist titles, 4 steals titles, led the league in total steals in every full season so far, was 2nd, 3rd, and 5th in MVP voting, had some of the best seasons for a PG, has had great playoff series, and almost led the Clippers to their first division title. Mac, Hill, and Penny combined, won two scoring titles, and 1 ROY by their 7th seasons.

[WillC]

Those guys weren't as accomplished as Paul is by their 7th seasons. Paul has a ROY, 2 assist titles, 4 steals titles, led the league in total steals in every full season so far, was 2nd, 3rd, and 5th in MVP voting, had some of the best seasons for a PG, has had great playoff series, and almost led the Clippers to their first division title. Mac, Hill, and Penny combined, won two scoring titles, and 1 ROY by their 7th seasons.

How quick you are to forget (or maybe you never knew in the first place?).

In their first 7 NBA seasons, Hill, Penny and TMac were all superstars regarded as some of the elite players in the League.

Check it out for yourself. Here are their statistics and major awards after 7 seasons in the NBA:

Chris Paul: 18.8ppg, 4.5rpg, 9.8apg, 2.4spg, .472 FG%, .854 FT% (5 x All-Star, 2 x All-NBA 1st Team, 1 x All-NBA 2nd Team, 2 x All-NBA 3rd Team)

Grant Hill: 21.5ppg, 7.8rpg, 6.3apg, 1.6spg, .476 FG%, .746 FT% (6 x All-Star, 1 x All-NBA 1st Team, 4 x All-NBA 2nd Team)

Penny Hardaway: 18.7ppg, 4.9rpg, 6.2apg, 1.9spg, .473 FG%, .769 FT% (4 x All-Star, 2 x All-NBA 1st Team, 1 x All-NBA 2nd Team)

Tracy McGrady: 21.4ppg, 6.4rpg, 4.1apg, 1.3apg, .447 FG%, .756 FT% (4 x All-Star, 2 x All-NBA 1st Team, 2 x All-NBA 2nd Team)

[pauk]

http://www.slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/issue-33-reggie-miller.jpg

[WillC]

Those guys weren't as accomplished as Paul is by their 7th seasons. Paul has a ROY, 2 assist titles, 4 steals titles, led the league in total steals in every full season so far, was 2nd, 3rd, and 5th in MVP voting, had some of the best seasons for a PG, has had great playoff series, and almost led the Clippers to their first division title. Mac, Hill, and Penny combined, won two scoring titles, and 1 ROY by their 7th seasons.

Also, while Paul's MVP finishes are impressive, you need to consider this:

- Grant Hill finished 3rd in MVP voting (behind Karl Malone and Michael Jordan) in just his third season in the League.

- Penny Hardaway finished 3rd in MVP voting (behind Michael Jordan and David Robinson) in just his third season in the League.

- Tracy McGrady finished 4th in MVP voting a couple of times before he'd turned 23 years of age.

So yeah, not sure why you think Chris Paul is so much better after 7 seasons than Hill, Penny or TMac were at the same stage of their careers.

[Young X]

How quick you are to forget (or maybe you never knew in the first place?).

In their first 7 NBA seasons, Hill, Penny and TMac were all superstars regarded as some of the elite players in the League.

Check it out for yourself. Here are their statistics and major awards after 7 seasons in the NBA:

Chris Paul: 18.8ppg, 4.5rpg, 9.8apg, 2.4spg, .472 FG%, .854 FT% (5 x All-Star, 2 x All-NBA 1st Team, 1 x All-NBA 2nd Team, 2 x All-NBA 3rd Team)

Grant Hill: 21.5ppg, 7.8rpg, 6.3apg, 1.6spg, .476 FG%, .746 FT% (6 x All-Star, 1 x All-NBA 1st Team, 4 x All-NBA 2nd Team)

Penny Hardaway: 18.7ppg, 4.9rpg, 6.2apg, 1.9spg, .473 FG%, .769 FT% (4 x All-Star, 2 x All-NBA 1st Team, 1 x All-NBA 2nd Team)

Tracy McGrady: 21.4ppg, 6.4rpg, 4.1apg, 1.3apg, .447 FG%, .756 FT% (4 x All-Star, 2 x All-NBA 1st Team, 2 x All-NBA 2nd Team)
I didn't say that they weren't superstars, I said they weren't as accomplished as Paul was by their 7th seasons, especially when you factor in the fact that CP3 is statistically better and has more individual accolades.

[WillC]

I didn't say that they weren't superstars, I said they weren't as accomplished as Paul was by their 7th seasons, especially when you factor in the fact that CP3 is statistically better and has more individual accolades.

That's not true though.

Statistically, it's a toss-up. Tracy McGrady probably had the best single season while Grant Hill's around stats are very impressive. No doubt Chris Paul is excellent statistically too, but it's debatable that he's better than the aforementioned players. Meanwhile, in terms of accolades, I've just shown that all 4 players are remarkably similar in that regard.

I think maybe you were too young to remember Penny and Grant Hill back in the 1990s....

[tmacattack33]

Chris Paul.

Just turned 27.

Runner up MVP in a very close 2008 MVP voting race (the closest race of the 2000s so far)

2x All-NBA First Team...which was hard to get with today's guard heavy league.

1x All-NBA Second Team

1x All-NBA Third Team

[dyna]

Ray Allen

[BoutPractice]

Dwight.

[Coffee Black]

I find it very telling that Rodman made it at #50, and there has not been a single mention of Dave Debusschere.

[Young X]

That's not true though.

Statistically, it's a toss-up. Tracy McGrady probably had the best single season while Grant Hill's around stats are very impressive. No doubt Chris Paul is excellent statistically too, but it's debatable that he's better than the aforementioned players. Meanwhile, in terms of accolades, I've just shown that all 4 players are remarkably similar in that regard.

I think maybe you were too young to remember Penny and Grant Hill back in the 1990s....
- Paul's '09 season is statistically better than or equal to, any of those guys' seasons.

- Their accolades aren't similar, Paul has a ROY, 2 assist titles, 4 steals titles, and is a 2x All Defensive 1st team member, while all 3 of those players combined have 2 scoring titles and a ROY.

[nycelt84]

Sam Jones

[BlackVVaves]

James Worthy for #51.

LoL @ Reggie Miller getting votes solely based his clutchness, despite choking in many championship-laid opportunities, including Game 1 of the 2000 NBA Finals.

Meanwhile, James Worthy has a FMVP while playing alongside the likes of Magic Johnson in his prime.

[Heilige]

Nate Thrumond

[JellyBean]

Nate Thurmond

[L.Kizzle]

Billy Cunningham

[Eric Cartman]

Dwight Howard.

[Stern]

Dwight Howard

[L.Kizzle]

The top 50 from the first list back in 2007 compared to the list now.

ISH 100 Greatest NBA Players of All-Time
1. Michael Jordan
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Earvin 'Magic' Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Bill Russell
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Oscar Robertson
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Tim Duncan
11. Jerry West
12. Julius Erving
13. Moses Malone
14. Elgin Baylor
15. Bob Pettit
16. John Havlicek
17. Karl Malone
18. George Mikan
19. David Robinson
20. Isiah Thomas
21. Charles Barkley
22. John Stockton
23. Bob Cousy
24. Kobe Bryant
25. Rick Barry
26. Scottie Pippen
27. Clyde Drexler
28. Gary Payton
29. Willis Reed
30. Patrick Ewing
31. Allen Iverson
32. Walt Frazier
33. Elvin Hayes
34. George Gervin
35. Jason Kidd
36. Dave Cowens
37. Kevin Garnett
38. Bob McAdoo
39. Nate Thurmond
40. Wes Unseld
41. Kevin McHale
42. Dolph Schayes
43. Dominique Wilkins
44. Bill Walton
45. Sam Jones
46. Kevin Johnson
47. Dennis Rodman
48. Dirk Nowitzki
49. Steve Nash
50. Billy Cunningham



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1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Tim Duncan
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. Lebron James
12. Moses Malone
13. Oscar Robertson
14. Jerry West
15. Julius Erving
16. Kevin Garnett
17. Karl Malone
18. Charles Barkley
19. Elgin Baylor
20. Bob Pettit
21. John Havlicek
22. Dirk Nowitzki
23. George Mikan
24. David Robinson
25. Isiah Thomas
26. Bob Cousy
27. Scottie Pippen
28. Rick Barry
29. Dwyane Wade
30. Willis Reed
31. Patrick Ewing
32. John Stockton
33. Walt Frazier
34. Clyde Drexler
35. Steve Nash
36. Allen Iverson
37. Dave Cowens
38. Dolph Schayes
39. Bill Walton
40. Kevin McHale
41. Jason Kidd
42. Wes Unseld
43. Gary Payton
44. Elvin Hayes
45. Paul Arizin
46. Bob McAdoo
47. Dominique Wilkins
48. George Gervin
49. Paul Pierce
50. Dennis Rodman

[WockaVodka]

Dwight Howard.

[coin24]

Dwight:cheers:

[Jacks3]

peak/prime T-Mac is a flat-out better player than many of these guys. how does he not make the top 50?

[Fudge]

peak/prime T-Mac is a flat-out better player than many of these guys. how does he not make the top 50?
True, but I dont think he's accomplished enough to be in quite yet. I'm a McGrady fan too. I'd probably have him with the likes of the Chris Webbers, Vince Carters, Reggie Millers, Grant Hills, etc.

Anyway, I vote for James Worthy.

[WockaVodka]

peak/prime T-Mac is a flat-out better player than many of these guys. how does he not make the top 50?
Because a career goes beyond peak.

[Fudge]

Because a career goes beyond peak.
And a human life goes beyond ISH... Post on your StateOfMind account. Like you really believe we dont know it's you, RG? :oldlol:

But this is correct. Otherwise, guys like English and Dantley would have been voted in already.

[Heavincent]

And a human life goes beyond ISH... Post on your StateOfMind account. Like you really believe we dont know it's you, RG? :oldlol:

But this is correct. Otherwise, guys like English and Dantley would have been voted in already.

Shit, another RG account?

I can't keep up.

[StateOfMind12]

peak/prime T-Mac is a flat-out better player than many of these guys. how does he not make the top 50?
Because he's not a top 50 player of all-time.

lol at Tmac making a top 50 list. This is the top 50 greatest players of all-time list, not the top 50 players that could never make it past the 1st round list.

Durant in 2012 was better than Tmac ever was. So if you want to complain about Tmac missing out, you should complain about KD missing out first.

[Owl]

That's not true though.

Statistically, it's a toss-up. Tracy McGrady probably had the best single season while Grant Hill's around stats are very impressive. No doubt Chris Paul is excellent statistically too, but it's debatable that he's better than the aforementioned players. Meanwhile, in terms of accolades, I've just shown that all 4 players are remarkably similar in that regard.

I think maybe you were too young to remember Penny and Grant Hill back in the 1990s....
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=paulch01&y1=2012&p2=mcgratr01&y2=2004&p3=hillgr01&y3=2001&p4=hardaan01&y4=2000#advanced::6
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=paulch01&y1=2012&p2=mcgratr01&y2=2004&p3=hillgr01&y3=2001&p4=hardaan01&y4=2000#advanced::22
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=paulch01&y1=2012&p2=mcgratr01&y2=2004&p3=hillgr01&y3=2001&p4=hardaan01&y4=2000#advanced::21

Paul is tops by every metric and and has (near enough) half as many again win shares as the next guy.
This despite being a point guard for whom it is generally harder to score highly in advanced stats.
e.g. Of the 165 seasons playing starter minutes with a PER above 25, only 16 have been been by pgs, less than half what you'd expect is distribution was even across the postions. http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=per_game&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=per&c1comp=gt&c1val=25&c2stat=mp_per_g&c2comp=gt&c2val=30&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=per&order_by_asc=&offset=0#stats::none
Those 16 are
6 by Oscar Robertson
5 by Magic (4 if you don

[BIZARRO]

"I don't think there has been or will be a better small forward than James, and I don't think people appreciated that. He was always such a quiet guy. But when he was in his prime, I can guarantee you, there wasn't anybody who could touch him." - Pat Riley

"James Worthy was one of the top 10 -- top five -- players in playoff history"- Magic Johnson


He has missed by one vote the last 2 rounds, but the more he slips, the more ridiculous it will get.

Big Game James and his NBA Finals MVP, NCAA Tournament MVP, 54.4% career playoff shooting percentage, years of leading the Showtime Lakers in playoff scoring.

If you ever saw him play, it has to be James Worthy. :bowdown: