#53 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops

[Deuce Bigalow]

James Worthy was voted the #52 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops.

17.6 PPG | 5.1 RPG | 3 APG

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[coin24]

I think Ray Allen has to be around here somewhere...

Without going into exact stats... (too lazy:oldlol: )
League leader in 3s
NBA champion
Multiple All Star
Probably one of the best shooters of all time
Longevity of career

[L.Kizzle]

Billy Cunningham.

[Sakkreth]

Reggie Miller

[BoutPractice]

Nate Thurmond.

[Dragonyeuw]

Reggie Miller I guess..... whatever at this stage. Dwight at 51?

EDIT: Changing vote to Ray Allen. Ray was Miller with better handles, playmaking, and more well-rounded game,especially in his Bucks and Sonic years.

[MasterDurant24]

Sam Jones. Was the leading scorer on 3 of those championship Boston squads, always ramped up his scoring in the playoffs. 5x all star, came 9th, 4th, and 5th in MVP award shares 3 years in a row.

[Kblaze8855]

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/1852/billygn.jpg



The players voted him ahead of Bill russell and Elgin Baylor in the MVP poll one year.

Just thought id mention it.

[WillC]

Sam Jones. Was the leading scorer on 3 of those championship Boston squads, always ramped up his scoring in the playoffs. 5x all star, came 9th, 4th, and 5th in MVP award shares 3 years in a row.

^This.

Sam Jones is getting severely overlooked.

[WockaVodka]

lol at Miller, Jones, and Allen being ranked above Tmac. Those guys weren't better than Tmac at anything except shooting, well Jones probably wasn't better than him at anything at all besides riding Russell's dick for a bunch of titles.

The only players who have an argument over Tmac would be Nate Thurmond and Kevin Durant.

[DTreats]

Bosh.

[WillC]

lol at Miller, Jones, and Allen being ranked above Tmac. Those guys weren't better than Tmac at anything except shooting, well Jones probably wasn't better than him at anything at all besides riding Russell's dick for a bunch of titles.

The only players who have an argument over Tmac would be Nate Thurmond and Kevin Durant.

McGrady was really good at failing to get out of the first round.

If you want to vote for losers, go ahead, vote for TMac.

[WockaVodka]

McGrady was really good at failing to get out of the first round.

If you want to vote for losers, go ahead, vote for TMac.
Did you ever think that he failed to get out of the 1st round because he wasn't good enough or because his team wasn't? It's not Tmac's fault he didn't get to play with teammates as good as Ray's, Reggie's, Jones'.

[Kblaze8855]

McGrady was really good at failing to get out of the first round.

If you want to vote for losers, go ahead, vote for TMac.

If he got to the second round and lost....really....so what?

Is the second round impressive now?

Tmac at his best was playing with Pat Garrity, old Kemp, old Armstrong, like 20 games of Gordon Giricek and some people not worth typing the names of.

If he were drafted onto a team that already won multiple rings like some of the guys already in...he isnt a loser.

A lot more has to be considered.

[Boston C's]

Ray allen

[G.O.A.T]

Thrumond and Reggie Miller would be the next two for me, then we get into the complimentary players like Jones, Greer, Cunningham etc.

[L.Kizzle]

Thrumond and Reggie Miller would be the next two for me, then we get into the complimentary players like Jones, Greer, Cunningham etc.
Billy was All NBA 1st team like 4 times and won a MVP Award (in the NBA but still ...) he was more of a complimentary player. Early on his was.

[Fudge]

Wait what? Is RG seriously defending/voting for McGrady? :oldlol:

Ray Allen gets my vote here.

[crisoner]

NATE THURMOND!!!!

http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/multimedia/photo_gallery/0803/nba.streaks.franchise/images/1972.warriors.thurmond.jpg

[WillC]

If he got to the second round and lost....really....so what?

Is the second round impressive now?

Tmac at his best was playing with Pat Garrity, old Kemp, old Armstrong, like 20 games of Gordon Giricek and some people not worth typing the names of.

If he were drafted onto a team that already won multiple rings like some of the guys already in...he isnt a loser.

A lot more has to be considered.

So you think McGrady deserves to be ranked ahead of Sam Jones on a list of the all-time greats?

[WockaVodka]

Allen over Tmac makes no sense at all, none.

What is the argument? Besides the fact that he played on better teams for pretty much his entire career? He really wasn't any better of a playoff performer, he was probably worse.

[Dragonyeuw]

Allen over Tmac makes no sense at all, none.

What is the argument? Besides the fact that he played on better teams for pretty much his entire career? He really wasn't any better of a playoff performer, he was probably worse.

Tmac was certainly the better individual talent, but Ray has obviously had the better career and I'm not even talking about playing on better teams or playoff success. He's pretty much been all-star caliber for 15-16 years. It comes down to the peak vs longevity argument. Tmac has a very short( albeit high-level) from 2001-2005. That's not enough for me to rank him over Ray.

[StateOfMind12]

Vote - Nate Thurmond

lol at Ray and Reggie being voted before Kevin Durant. KD was better than those two ever were. Who cares about longevity? Both of them were pseudo-superstars while KD was a legit superstar and the 2nd best player in the league.

[TheMarkMadsen]

T MAC is not even a top 75 player, let alone top 50..

[TheMarkMadsen]

Vote - Nate Thurmond

lol at Ray and Reggie being voted before Kevin Durant. KD was better than those two ever were. Who cares about longevity? Both of them were pseudo-superstars while KD was a legit superstar and the 2nd best player in the league.


He's only been a "legit" superstad for like a 1 & 1/2.

Since when does 2 good years get you consideration for the top 50 GOATS?

No question by the time his career is over he'll most likely be a top 20 GOAT or even higher, however we can't just vote based off a few good/great years.

[Dragonyeuw]

Vote - Nate Thurmond

lol at Ray and Reggie being voted before Kevin Durant. KD was better than those two ever were. Who cares about longevity? Both of them were pseudo-superstars while KD was a legit superstar and the 2nd best player in the league.

LOL at excellence over several years being trivialized.

[haji_d_robertas]

Kevin Durant

[Boston C's]

Vote - Nate Thurmond

lol at Ray and Reggie being voted before Kevin Durant. KD was better than those two ever were. Who cares about longevity? Both of them were pseudo-superstars while KD was a legit superstar and the 2nd best player in the league.

man i really think you hate ray allen dude...so by your logic lets put k.d ahead of your boy pierce since pierce has never been the second best player in the league :facepalm

as for t-mac...absolutely love the guy but his peak was just too short...in terms of talent and productivity in his peak hes better then half the players on this list...if you wanna put him in on that then hell we should have voted him in right after iverson

[fsvr54]

nate thurmond

[Heavincent]

Ray Allen

[StateOfMind12]

No question by the time his career is over he'll most likely be a top 20 GOAT or even higher, however we can't just vote based off a few good/great years.
My all-time rankings is based on who can give you the most championships. Durant gives you a better chance within a short span than Ray Allen does with his long span.

Durant has been a superstar for the past 3 years. Ray was never a superstar. As a matter of fact, Durant in his 2nd year peaked higher in ppg than Ray did and was probably a better player than Ray ever was by then.

I'm not impressed by Ray having more all-star appearances either because AS appearances mean just about nothing. Especially if we factor in Ray only made recent all-star appearances only because of how weak the East was.

I'm voting Thurmond now and I'm voting Durant next.

[Boston C's]

My all-time rankings is based on who can give you the most championships. Durant gives you a better chance within a short span than Ray Allen does with his long span.

Durant has been a superstar for the past 3 years. Ray was never a superstar. I'm not impressed by Ray having more all-star appearances either because AS appearances mean just about nothing. Especially if we factor in Ray only made recent all-star appearances only because of how weak the East was.

I'm voting Thurmond now and I'm voting Durant next.

then why not durant above pierce...pierce was never a superstar either and based by your criteria durant gives a team a better chance to win...hell durant then should have been voted above the likes of rodman, worthy mchale, etc if were going by your criteria nevermind allen and pierce

[StateOfMind12]

then why not durant above pierce...pierce was never a superstar either and based by your criteria durant gives a team a better chance to win...hell durant then should have been voted above the likes of rodman, worthy mchale, etc if were going by your criteria nevermind allen and pierce
He should be above Rodman, Worthy, and Nique. I only voted Worthy in #52 because I knew Durant would have no chance to win.

Pierce was never a superstar, but he was surely closer to it than Ray ever was. Ray was never top 10, Pierce was.

Plus, Pierce was a better all-around player than Durant was although he still didn't peak as high as Durant did since Durant's scoring ability is literally unparalleled. Still, Pierce has some advantages over Durant while Ray has literally no advantages over Durant aside from 3 point shooting which is Ray's advantage over every player in NBA history so take it for a grain of salt.

Pierce and Ray have similar longevity but Pierce was flat out better than Ray so it's not similar at all.

[Boston C's]

He should be above Rodman, Worthy, and Nique. I only voted Worthy in #52 because I knew Durant would have no chance to win.

Pierce was never a superstar, but he was surely closer to it than Ray ever was. Ray was never top 10, Pierce was.

Plus, Pierce was a better all-around player than Durant was although he still didn't peak as high as Durant did since Durant's scoring ability is literally unparalleled. Still, Pierce has some advantages over Durant while Ray has literally no advantages over Durant aside from 3 point shooting which is Ray's advantage over every player in NBA history so take it for a grain of salt.

Pierce and Ray have similar longevity but Pierce was flat out better than Ray so it's not similar at all.

Ray passes better then durant...the reason voting for durant here is ridiculous is because all he could do pretty much is score and rebound (which he should since hes nearly 7 ft) and i guess your criteria is much different then mine because there is no way in hell I would vote in durant above nique let alone those other guys...i value what you have done in your career and what you have accomplished...durant will absolutely surpass those guys but he isn't there yet...still too young to vote him in as a top 50 all time player

[Kblaze8855]

So you think McGrady deserves to be ranked ahead of Sam Jones on a list of the all-time greats?

Depends entirely on what you mean. some clearly mean ability to play basketball and how good you were considered while you did it. Other people vote for Reggie Miller when Antione Walker got 3 times Reggies career MVP vote total....in the 3rd best season of his career. In 19 years...Reggies combined MVP votes....are less than the following people got in individual seasons:


Buck Williams
Kenny smith
Mutombo
Anthony Mason
Elton Brand
Chauncey Billups
Terry Porter
Fat Lever
Jeff ruland

all of them and many more. All of them had individual seasons with more MVP votes than Reggie got in nearly 2 decades combined.

But it doesnt seem to bother anyone. People will vote him over guys who were all NBA first team in the league with him while he wasnt all nba third team and wouldnt have been 5th team if it existed.

Reggie can not be a top 10 guard in his prime...and get ranked over all NBA first teamers....in retrospect.

So as I said...it depends on what you are asking. Tmac greater than Sam Jones?

I guess not.

Is he better?

Well.....

[WillC]

Put it this way: I'd take Sam Jones' career over TMac's without hesitation.

[Legends66NBA7]

Put it this way: I'd take Sam Jones' career over TMac's without hesitation.

Yeah, pretty much.

As players, it's different. Which is what makes these rankings tricky and really complex, when you really do think about it.

[Kblaze8855]

That may be. But any team Tmac is arguably the 4th best player on some years...hed have a damn good career playing for.

And really...id take Bob Cousys career over wilt chamberlains on just...what happened during them.

But Wilt is elite and Cousy is in the 20s.

Why might that be?

MVP. 6 time champ. 10 time all nba first team. Widely considered the GOAT in his day.

Why isnt he better than Wilt if this is a which career do you want to have issue?

John Havlicek...8 rings. 2 finals MVPs and he might have 3-5 if they had them before 69.

Who wouldnt want his career over Hakeems just...on the facts?

That really the issue?

[Deuce Bigalow]

lol at Miller, Jones, and Allen being ranked above Tmac. Those guys weren't better than Tmac at anything except shooting, well Jones probably wasn't better than him at anything at all besides riding Russell's dick for a bunch of titles.

The only players who have an argument over Tmac would be Nate Thurmond and Kevin Durant.
This a vote for McGrady?

[L.Kizzle]

Vote - Nate Thurmond

lol at Ray and Reggie being voted before Kevin Durant. KD was better than those two ever were. Who cares about longevity? Both of them were pseudo-superstars while KD was a legit superstar and the 2nd best player in the league.
Well, Durant should be top 20 All-Time. He has equal amount of Finals appearances as Charles Barkley, more scoring titles than Karl Malone and more All-NBA 1st teams then Patrick Ewing. He's done everything but win a title and MVP. If he gets those next season, watch out Jordan ...

[WockaVodka]

This a vote for McGrady?
I didn't vote, I'm just letting hte people who said Miller and Allen are better than McGrady know that they are complete idiots.

my vote would be nate thurmond

[L.Kizzle]

I didn't vote, I'm just letting hte people who said Miller and Allen are better than McGrady know that they are complete idiots.

my vote would be nate thurmond
Nobody thinks those two are better than McGrady talent wise. But they're goin on how their careers turned out.

McGrady is a top 20 all-time talent, and so is David Thompson but they won't be anywhere near top 50.

[dyna]

Ray Allen

[WockaVodka]

Nobody thinks those two are better than McGrady talent wise. But they're goin on how their careers turned out.

McGrady is a top 20 all-time talent, and so is David Thompson but they won't be anywhere near top 50.
Then Horry is a top 20 player of all-time due to his career.

[L.Kizzle]

Then Horry is a top 20 player of all-time due to his career.
A career is more then rings.

[WockaVodka]

A career is more then rings.
What is it about?

[L.Kizzle]

What is it about?
Everything ...

It's about rings, just as much as it's about where you ranked as the best player in your era. Yeah, Horry has 7 rings but when he got those rings was he top 5, top 10, top 20? Top 50 even. His 7 rings are not the same as Tommy Heinsohn's 7 rings.

[WockaVodka]

Everything ...

It's about rings, just as much as it's about where you ranked as the best player in your era. Yeah, Horry has 7 rings but when he got those rings was he top 5, top 10, top 20? Top 50 even. His 7 rings are not the same as Tommy Heinsohn's 7 rings.
What is everything? I would like to know what exactly makes Ray and Reggie's career so much better than Tmac when Tmac was a more talented player and even accomplished more than those guys did.

[Boston C's]

What is everything? I would like to know what exactly makes Ray and Reggie's career so much better than Tmac when Tmac was a more talented player and even accomplished more than those guys did.

What did tmac accomplish more then those two...all nba teams? if thats where your going with it then why didnt you vote for him right after iverson or somethin?

[WockaVodka]

What did tmac accomplish more then those two...all nba teams? if thats where your going with it then why didnt you vote for him right after iverson or somethin?
Because Iverson shouldn't have been up there.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

What is everything?

Career totals
Career averages
All-nba teams
all-star teams
rings
individual awards (MVPs/DPOY/etc)

Those are just some of the things that factor into a player's career.

[L.Kizzle]

What is everything? I would like to know what exactly makes Ray and Reggie's career so much better than Tmac when Tmac was a more talented player and even accomplished more than those guys did.
I already said T-Mac was more talented, we all know this. That's beside the point. If this was about talent, then Mac would have been voted in 2 weeks ago.

Winning is a part of were you rank players, would Jordan still be number one if he never got passed the first round but still put up Jordan numbers, hell no. So why is it so hard to see why Ray and Miller should be ranked above McGrady? If McGrady made a few runs at the second round like Dominique Wilkins (notice I did say a few he only went to the 2nd round three times) then I think he would have been voted in already.

Talent and accomplishments is what will get McGrady around a 65-75 ranking. A few playoff runs get' him near the end of the top 50. Deep runs get into the circa 35 range. Finals and MVPs and he's top 25 and/or higher, that's how it was supposed to happen ...

[Boston C's]

Because Iverson shouldn't have been up there.

very true

[TheBigVeto]

Reggie Miller

[nycelt84]

Thurmond

[Deuce Bigalow]

Ray Allen and Nate Thurmond are tied with 6 votes for the lead.

[Tinseltime17]

Nate Thurmond

[DatAsh]

Thurmond

[Eric Cartman]

Thurmond.

[G.O.A.T]

To be clear, my vote is for Thurmond.

I think he won this one.