Famous People with ADHD

[Duderonomy]

If you were diagnoised with ADHD like me, it doesn't mean you can't be a highly functional adult. In fact we're in good company.


Architect
Frank Lloyd Wright

Artists
Salvador Dali
Pablo Picasso
Vincent Van Gogh


Athletes
Terry Bradshaw
Michael Phelps
Pete Rose
Nolan Ryan
Michael Jordan
Jason Kidd

Authors
Charlotte and Emily Bronte
Samuel Clemens
Emily Dickenson
Edgar Allan Poe
Ralph Waldo Emerson
Robert Frost
George Bernard Shaw
Henry David Thoreau
Leo Tolstoy
Tennessee Williams
Virginia Woolf
William Butler Yeats


Composer
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart


Entrepreneurs and Business Leaders
Andrew Carnegie
Malcolm Forbes
Henry Ford
Bill Gates
David Neeleman
Paul Orfalea
Ted Turner


Explorers
Christopher Columbus
Lewis and Clark


Entertainers
Ann Bancroft
Jim Carrey
Steve McQueen
Jack Nicholson
Ty Pennington
Elvis Presley
Evil and Robbie Knievel
Sylvester Stallone
Robin Williams
Wright Brothers


Inventors
Alexander Graham Bell
Thomas Edison
Benjamin Franklin


Photographer
Ansel Adams


Physicist
Albert Einstein


Political Figures
James Carville
John F. Kennedy

[Whoah10115]

Christopher Columbus lol.

[rufuspaul]

I heard that Lewis kept stealing Clark's adderall.

[ZeN]

So what im not famous now? I thought all of us at ISH were #1 and famous..

[embersyc]

I love it when people are posthumously diagnosed with something.

[ZeN]

I love it when people are posthumously diagnosed with something.
Really? Im sort of indifferent about it..

[bmulls]

I love it when people are posthumously diagnosed with something.

:lol

[FatComputerNerd]

I was diagnosed as ADHD when around 5 years old.

Took Ritalin until I was about 13ish, at which point I started faking that I was taking them, and stashing them away.

[ZeN]

I was diagnosed as ADHD when around 5 years old.

Took Ritalin until I was about 13ish, at which point I started faking that I was taking them, and stashing them away.
This.. Explains a lot about you.

[Clifton]

If you were diagnoised with ADHD like me, it doesn't mean you can't be a highly functional adult.
pffffffffft.

If you were diagnosed with "ADHD," it probably means you squirmed in your seat more than once as a 6 year old and a teacher would rather stupify you than do his or her job. If ADHD is a real disease, why did Leo Tolstoy write a 1400 ****ing page novel before the invention of ADHD medication?

**** ADHD. And **** the pharmaceutical companies that are creating a generation of brain-dead, drug-addicted zombie-children. No shit discipline comes easier for some people than for others. We all have challenges we have to overcome to be our best; some people have a hard time being creative or interesting. Like, for example, anyone who was ever put on ADHD medication for a long period of time.

I'll grant that it is a real disorder... that truly requires medication in maybe 1 out of 500 diagnosed cases.

[Clifton]

I'm not sure I'd call Henry David Thoreau a highly functional adult. The druggists may have been right with that one.

[jbot]

hell, i think i have a touch of it.

[rufuspaul]

pffffffffft.

If you were diagnosed with "ADHD," it probably means you squirmed in your seat more than once as a 6 year old and a teacher would rather stupify you than do his or her job. If ADHD is a real disease, why did Leo Tolstoy write a 1400 ****ing page novel before the invention of ADHD medication?

**** ADHD. And **** the pharmaceutical companies that are creating a generation of brain-dead, drug-addicted zombie-children. No shit discipline comes easier for some people than for others. We all have challenges we have to overcome to be our best; some people have a hard time being creative or interesting. Like, for example, anyone who was ever put on ADHD medication for a long period of time.

I'll grant that it is a real disorder... that truly requires medication in maybe 1 out of 500 diagnosed cases.


I used to think the same way until my daughter started really struggling in school. She didn't squirm in her seat and she has never been a discipline problem. In fact she always gets great marks for being a hard worker and very well behaved and polite. She just wasn't able to focus.

Believe me I was dead set against any medication until after we had been to several different MDs and undergone a multitude of tests. We finally agreed to try a small dose of focalin to see if it made any difference. The difference has been like night and day. My daughter went from not being able to finish a test to now performing towards the top of her class.

I've been told that after awhile we can try to gradually decrease the dose until hopefully she'll get by without any medication.

[ZeN]

pffffffffft.

If you were diagnosed with "ADHD," it probably means you squirmed in your seat more than once as a 6 year old and a teacher would rather stupify you than do his or her job. If ADHD is a real disease, why did Leo Tolstoy write a 1400 ****ing page novel before the invention of ADHD medication?

**** ADHD. And **** the pharmaceutical companies that are creating a generation of brain-dead, drug-addicted zombie-children. No shit discipline comes easier for some people than for others. We all have challenges we have to overcome to be our best; some people have a hard time being creative or interesting. Like, for example, anyone who was ever put on ADHD medication for a long period of time.

I'll grant that it is a real disorder... that truly requires medication in maybe 1 out of 500 diagnosed cases.
Its called Hyperfocus and obsessive compulsive dysphoric mania.

Its the reason why most artists that have these mental disorders become so obsessive and determined in what they do.

[ZeN]

Its a misconception that being ADHD means being hyperactive and not being able to focus.

They can focus.. The problem is that they cannot direct that focus on specific things they decide on. The focus has a mind of its own. Some people who are ADHD get hyperfocused on something and they can't steer their attention away from it. They may be washing dishes and spend ten minutes on a pan because it isnt clean enough..

Some of those kids that suffer through it can't do well in school but if you ask them about something they hyperfocused on, they know ever small detail..they will know everything about dinosaurs.. Or every news bit about the NBA.. Or any other topic that has latched on to their system.. They can't focus on one thing but are completely obsessed by others..

Which is why artist that have it excell.. Hyperfocus sets in and they rather be experiencing art than even eating.. Its a euphoria that is match by nothing else.. Even things that are suppose to be pleasurable.


Those artist can't hold down a job, dont feed themselves well, can't socially function, may have done poorly in school.. But they sit and focus on their hyperfused subject... They can write an epic novel, they can paint brilliant artistic pieces, they can cook a delicious meal.. They can have mental clarity in that which serves as an obsessive muse.


The problem with ADHD's is that they can't direct their attention or have mental clarity with any and all subjects. Its infinitely more difficult to learn things that haven't 100% captured their attention.

[Clippersfan86]

Zen is correct. As somebody who will admit I have ADHD he's right that it's not necessarily that you CAN'T focus it's more so that you can't choose WHAT you focus on. I always say I wish I could direct that hyperfocus away from basketball, friendships, video games etc and direct it to career. If I could do that I'd already be wealthy and dominating my career quite possibly.

[rufuspaul]

Its a misconception that being ADHD means being hyperactive and not being able to focus.

They can focus.. The problem is that they cannot direct that focus on specific things they decide on. The focus has a mind of its own. Some people who are ADHD get hyperfocused on something and they can't steer their attention away from it. They may be washing dishes and spend ten minutes on a pan because it isnt clean enough..

Some of those kids that suffer through it can't do well in school but if you ask them about something they hyperfocused on, they know ever small detail..they will know everything about dinosaurs.. Or every news bit about the NBA.. Or any other topic that has latched on to their system.. They can't focus on one thing but are completely obsessed by others..

Which is why artist that have it excell.. Hyperfocus sets in and they rather be experiencing art than even eating.. Its a euphoria that is match by nothing else.. Even things that are suppose to be pleasurable.


:applause: Well said.

[Clippersfan86]

Also Clifton while many people may be wrongly diagnosed so easily a lot of us TRULY do have ADHD such as myself. Any symptom for ADHD I have in spades. As I get older I've calmed down a bit but I still struggle with it while not medicated (haven't been on meds since I was about 19).

[ZeN]

Also Clifton while many people may be wrongly diagnosed so easily a lot of us TRULY do have ADHD such as myself. Any symptom for ADHD I have in spades. As I get older I've calmed down a bit but I still struggle with it while not medicated (haven't been on meds since I was about 19).
Which is why your obsessed with Clippers to a fault.. Being your main focus, you have no choice but to bulldoze your activity with that subject. I mean no offense.. Just saying people on here don't realize or understand how alive anything relating to the clippers is to you. Your not trying to be overbearing or a homer.. But you can't help but take all Clipper topics in a unreasonably personal way.. Which makes you defensive and somewhat hostile at times.

[Duderonomy]

no comment of these guys having ADHD

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/news/2002/02/21/wizards_nets_ap/lg_jordan_kidd_ap-01.jpg

[Clippersfan86]

Which is why your obsessed with Clippers to a fault.. Being your main focus, you have no choice but to bulldoze your activity with that subject. I mean no offense.. Just saying people on here don't realize or understand how alive anything relating to the clippers is to you. Your not trying to be overbearing or a homer.. But you can't help but take all Clipper topics in a unreasonably personal way.. Which makes you defensive and somewhat hostile at times.

Definitely can admit that. Whenever anything involving the Clippers comes up I hyperfocus and can't let it go. I'm obsessed to a sick level that I wish I wasn't. It's not healthy really :oldlol: .

[ZeN]

Definitely can admit that. Whenever anything involving the Clippers comes up I hyperfocus and can't let it go. I'm obsessed to a sick level that I wish I wasn't. It's not healthy really :oldlol: .
Yeah and im not judging most times I gotta keep my own mouth shut cause I always get defensive myself..lol..

[ZeN]

no comment of these guys having ADHD

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/news/2002/02/21/wizards_nets_ap/lg_jordan_kidd_ap-01.jpg


Only that they prove my point..

MJ was obsessed to an incredible level that it made him become the best player ever..

And, Kidd proves that no matter how much ADD's try, they focus on what comes naturally... which is why hes been superlative at assisting but failed to ever learn how to shoot.. particularly 3 pointers..

[OhNoTimNoSho]

To me ADHD is purely mental. Sure you might have a tougher time directing your attention to things, but with work you can harness your attention. I have hardcore ADHD and Ive never blamed it for anything. If i cant focus on something it is because i am being lazy and undetermined. People really just look for anything to take away blame for their behavior.

Its like an addiction to random thinking. Stop doing it and it will go away eventually, its not a disease. Like being addicted to porn, sure you might enjoy porn more than other people. But stop ****ing looking at porn and this "disease" will go away.

[ZeN]

To me ADHD is purely mental.


no shit, Sherlock... :coleman:

[Dictator]

ADHD isn't real. Made up BS to make more money.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

no shit, Sherlock... :coleman:
As opposed to a chemical imbalance in the brain.. there is a difference. And if left to manifest, will turn into an actual chemical imbalance.

[ZeN]

As opposed to a chemical imbalance in the brain.. there is a difference. And if left to manifest, will turn into an actual chemical imbalance.
Its all relative.

[rufuspaul]

To me ADHD is purely mental. Sure you might have a tougher time directing your attention to things, but with work you can harness your attention. I have hardcore ADHD and Ive never blamed it for anything. If i cant focus on something it is because i am being lazy and undetermined. People really just look for anything to take away blame for their behavior.

Its like an addiction to random thinking. Stop doing it and it will go away eventually, its not a disease. Like being addicted to porn, sure you might enjoy porn more than other people. But stop ****ing looking at porn and this "disease" will go away.


And people who are depressed just need to snap out of it. Maybe i just should have slapped my daughter around and told her to get over it. :rolleyes:

[ZeN]

ADHD isn't real. Made up BS to make more money.
A vast majority of the people that have mental instability which includes ADHD aren't taking medication. Due to the fact that a cure doesnt exist and some who have paranoia.

The drugs treat symptoms but dont treat the illness.. there isnt an actual cure.. you can only control it with self awareness and compulsion control. Like NoSho was trying to say.. the only way to truly grab hold of the reigns is by being aware of the problem and dealing with it with whatever method suits your particular situation..

Lol at people thinking that effects and solutions are the same for everyone.. Any method of dealing with these things have to be specifically tailored to the individual.


Its laughable that people equate mental illness to pharmaceuticals... they arent mutually exclusive.. each can be evaluated in a singular way.


Drugs are bad obviously. They are controlling agents for both dulling and monetary reasons.. They can definitely help and can alleviate the condition but (I personally believe..) that they are temporary aids. There has to be both a mental strengthening whether through family, experience or self actualization., and a gradual acceptance of the problem and figuring out what fits personally.

The fact that drug companies push their products haves zilch to do with mental instabilities being a genuine reality.

[FatComputerNerd]

I find Caffeine to have the opposite effect on me as it does most people.

Without it I am jittery.

It calms me, and I can drink a full pot of coffee an hour before bed and have no trouble falling asleep.

(diagnosed ADHD @ a young age as stated earlier in thread)

[Clippersfan86]

I find Caffeine to have the opposite effect on me as it does most people.

Without it I am jittery.

It calms me, and I can drink a full pot of coffee an hour before bed and have no trouble falling asleep.

(diagnosed ADHD @ a young age as stated earlier in thread)

Yup same for me. Coffee is a downer and makes me calm and tired.

[ZeN]

I find Caffeine to have the opposite effect on me as it does most people.

Without it I am jittery.

It calms me, and I can drink a full pot of coffee an hour before bed and have no trouble falling asleep.

(diagnosed ADHD @ a young age as stated earlier in thread)
Yeah caffeine help you focus and allows your mental synapses to run quicker. The problem is that there is a fine line between the amount that helps you and the amount that makes you irritable. But I think thats more of an issue for people that seriously abuse it, like me.

[Lamar Doom]

ADHD/ADD is such bullshit. You may have symptoms of what they call ADD but it's the most over-diagnosed, made-up-to-sell-pills, and give-mommy-and-excuse-for-your-bad-grades shit in our lifetime. What a crutch, what a joke. You have trouble concentrating on things that don't interest you? wow.

[rufuspaul]

ADHD/ADD is such bullshit. You may have symptoms of what they call ADD but it's the most over-diagnosed, made-up-to-sell-pills, and give-mommy-and-excuse-for-your-bad-grades shit in our lifetime. What a crutch, what a joke. You have trouble concentrating on things that don't interest you? wow.


Thank you Dr. Doom. What other medical insight do you have for us?

[ZeN]

ADHD/ADD is such bullshit. You may have symptoms of what they call ADD but it's the most over-diagnosed, made-up-to-sell-pills, and give-mommy-and-excuse-for-your-bad-grades shit in our lifetime. What a crutch, what a joke. You have trouble concentrating on things that don't interest you? wow.
Bullshit.


They also have trouble concentrating on things that do interest them.


Your looking at it from the outside in and your perspective is filled with nothing but generalizations and false assumptions.

[Clippersfan86]

Yeah caffeine help you focus and allows your mental synapses to run quicker. The problem is that there is a fine line between the amount that helps you and the amount that makes you irritable. But I think thats more of an issue for people that seriously abuse it, like me.

True. One time when I was 18 tried a fatburner which is basically a massive shot of caffeine and it ****ed me up. I got cold sweats, hardcore shakes and jitters and massive fatigue.

[Lamar Doom]

Bullshit.


They also have trouble concentrating on things that do interest them.


Your looking at it from the outside in and your perspective is filled with nothing but generalizations and false assumptions.


I was diagnosed with it too, I'm not an outsider. People need to be able to label their symptoms so they have come up with this broad disorder for everyone to use as a crutch and to sell a shitload of drugs. It's bullshit dude. It's not real. Some of the symptoms are real, but many of them are just differences in the way we process the world. It's a candy coated excuse for the weak minded. "it's not my fault, i have a learning disorder"

[Clippersfan86]

I was diagnosed with it too, I'm not an outsider. People need to be able to label their symptoms so they have come up with this broad disorder for everyone to use as a crutch and to sell a shitload of drugs. It's bullshit dude. It's not real. Some of the symptoms are real, but many of them are just differences in the way we process the world. It's a candy coated excuse for the weak minded.

You are an outsider and somebody falsely diagnosed as having it. If you truly had it you.d realize it's very real. It's only a crutch if you use it as one and I don't. I don't tell anybody I have ADHD besides GF, family and friends.

[Lamar Doom]

everyone is falsely diagnosed because it doesn't exist. you function differently than other people, so does everyone. you can treat yourself. you don't have a disease. you're using a dianosis as part of your identity and that's not healthy. I'm not saying you don't have symptoms of what they call ADD, I'm just saying you don't have the same "disorder" that everyone thinks they're sharing. 8% of people have it? Come on. Want to buy the emporer's new clothes? How about a bridge in brooklyn?

[ZeN]

I was diagnosed with it too, I'm not an outsider. People need to be able to label their symptoms so they have come up with this broad disorder for everyone to use as a crutch and to sell a shitload of drugs. It's bullshit dude. It's not real. Some of the symptoms are real, but many of them are just differences in the way we process the world. It's a candy coated excuse for the weak minded. "it's not my fault, i have a learning disorder"
Yes because its never Denial..

[Lamar Doom]

Yes because its never Denial..


why is denial capitalized?


you guys are in denial. so eager to have something that you deem as "wrong with you" have a nice tidy title. mind over matter boys. i'll stop agitating you since i can see you all take your disorder so seriously. some of you guys probably have EDEE too, that's "easily distracted extra energy". there's new pills coming out for that soon. just don't mix your ADHD meds with your hyperkinetic meds with your EDEE meds with your restless leg syndrome meds. try to watch more tv, that seems to help.

[rufuspaul]

LD sounding a lot like Tom Cruise.

[ZeN]

generations and wild assumptions..


Just because you feel a certain way due to your personal circumstances doesn't automatically apply those thoughts to everyone else.


Also there are different levels of severity.. some are minuscule to the point of being irrelevant. Some are so bad that they put peoples lives at risk.


If I were to sit here and apply my own personal situation to every single person, then everyone would be batshit insane by my definition.


No two psychological situations are the same.


Generalizations and baseless speculation..

[Lamar Doom]

LD sounding a lot like Tom Cruise.


hahaha. man, I live in LA, scientologists creep me the f*ck out. but they're on the right track with some of the basic principles. we live in a ridiculous time where people really don't seem to know how to help themselves or even understand that they can, life is lucid, you don't need pills or therapy for everything. my buddy went out with that actress erika christensen and she would stop in the middle of a normal conversation and say shit like "my magnesium levels are off today". F*cking weirdos.

[ZeN]

why is denial capitalized?


you guys are in denial. so eager to have something that you deem as "wrong with you" have a nice tidy title. mind over matter boys. i'll stop agitating you since i can see you all take your disorder so seriously. some of you guys probably have EDEE too, that's "easily distracted extra energy". there's new pills coming out for that soon. just don't mix your ADHD meds with your hyperkinetic meds with your EDEE meds with your restless leg syndrome meds. try to watch more tv, that seems to help.
Please dont speak about my situation as if you have a clue of what you are talking about.


Have you ever tried to kill yourself?

Have you had mental lapses that hurt one of your family member due to unattentiveness?

Have you ever had a psychotic manic episode?


There is a reason why im not applying myself to this discussion.. Its because it wouldnt apply.


With all due respect dont say 'you guys' as if you understand.. because frankly you dont know shit about what I go through on a daily basis.

I dont seek sympathy but I wouldn't mind a bit of respect.



Im not on any medication.

[AK47DR91]

everyone is falsely diagnosed because it doesn't exist. you function differently than other people, so does everyone. you can treat yourself. you don't have a disease. you're using a dianosis as part of your identity and that's not healthy. I'm not saying you don't have symptoms of what they call ADD, I'm just saying you don't have the same "disorder" that everyone thinks they're sharing. 8% of people have it? Come on. Want to buy the emporer's new clothes? How about a bridge in brooklyn?
I've never been official diagnosed with anything because I refuse to see physicians unless I'm required to by work or school. From what people told me and my research, I probably have a handful of personal/characteristic disorders. Everything from OCD to social anxiety to speech impediment to inferiority complex. None of it really drastically effects my daily life because I'm able to hide them. Sure I don't have much of a social life and don't know how to communicate with friends and family, or acquaintances properly but I can still function a lot better than people who are seriously mentally ill or physically disabled.

And if I'm able to hide these "disorders," I'm sure millions of others who seems much more "normal" than I am have similar disorders too.

[Clippersfan86]

One of the saddest things in life to me is very intelligent people who are closeminded and choose to be ignorant. You're a smart guy doom who should know by mow that life isn't black and white.

[rufuspaul]

If I ever get cancer I'm gonna go with LD's mind-over-matter regimen. That should do the trick.

[Lamar Doom]

generations and wild assumptions..

Generalizations and baseless speculation..


no more baseless than your thoughtless acceptance of it. you're only able to speak from personal experiences too, callous disregard for opinion goes both ways homey.

[AK47DR91]

One of the saddest things in life to me is very intelligent people who are closeminded and choose to be ignorant. You're a smart guy doom who should know by mow that life isn't black and white.
I'm dumb and very open-minded, but I do share Doom's views (on this subject). :lol

I'm not saying our views are correct because psychology doesn't have scientific proof, they're all theories with some experimental and testing support. Everybody has their own coping mechanism, so however you feel about your disorders is what you should go by. For me, they're just a little hurdle in my life that I have to fight with. Others might have it worse, more severe so their views will be different.

[ZeN]

no more baseless than your thoughtless acceptance of it. you're only able to speak from personal experiences too, callous disregard for opinion goes both ways homey.
I am not making blanket statements stating that something is a fabrication.


I have done extensive reading, speaking with people that have and dont have it, and have delved into the subject enough to have a fair idea of what im talking about.


I am certain that many people have mental conditions that impair them in their daily function, ADD being one of them.

[Lamar Doom]

One of the saddest things in life to me is very intelligent people who are closeminded and choose to be ignorant. You're a smart guy doom who should know by mow that life isn't black and white.

See I feel like I'm the one who's explaining the grey area. You guys are so black and white about this disorder you think you have. It exists because some doctors said it does. I'm fully on board with the idea that you have some issues with focus or learning or hyperactivity or whatever the specifics of it are for you, I'm saying this ridiculously broad "disorder" that affects an absurd amount of the population isn't real. It's rhetoric. It's a nice little box for people to simplify and categorize in. Being open minded is what led me to this belief. I believe you can harness your "weakness" or even use it to your advantage. I don't believe ritilan, wellbutrin, adderoll, caffein, or other treatment is necessary. It may help some people but I believe it's because they want it to. And I do not believe that you all have the same "disorder". That's too BLACK AND WHITE for me.


If I ever get cancer I'm gonna go with LD's mind-over-matter regimen. That should do the trick.

all joking aside, you should probably seek treatment for cancer. just get a second opinion first :) unless it's ball cancer, you can totally jedi that shit right out your scrote

[Lamar Doom]

Please dont speak about my situation as if you have a clue of what you are talking about.


Have you ever tried to kill yourself?

Have you had mental lapses that hurt one of your family member due to unattentiveness?

Have you ever had a psychotic manic episode?


There is a reason why im not applying myself to this discussion.. Its because it wouldnt apply.


With all due respect dont say 'you guys' as if you understand.. because frankly you dont know shit about what I go through on a daily basis.

I dont seek sympathy but I wouldn't mind a bit of respect.



Im not on any medication.


I'm not saying you don't have problems. I'm saying you don't have ADD.

Not on medication? Yikes. Come over, let's burn one.

[AK47DR91]

Cancer is a disease, not a disorder. That's a physiological problem, not psychological. It's life-threatening so treatment is definitely necessary.

[tpols]

This LD guy is a fvcking idiot. :lol

A lot of kids are misdiagnosed to sell to but there are quite a few people that actually have a different wiring in their heads.

[BEAST Griffin]

If you go strictly by the DSM, loads of people can be diagnosed as having ADHD, especially children. It's a complete joke. And the symptoms of what's considered "ADHD" can also be impacted and even caused by a broad range of lifestyle choices.

But of course, for the convenience of the medical industrial complex, it's all labeled ADHD and considered an illness mostly out of our control that can only be helped with certain pharmaceutical medications.

What really bothers me is how casually children are labelled and put on pharmaceutical medications and it's considered normal. Doing poor in school? Here is your pill! Not behaving? Here is your pill!

[Lamar Doom]

This LD guy is a fvcking idiot. :lol

A lot of kids are misdiagnosed to sell to but there are quite a few people that actually have a different wiring in their heads.


Uh, that's what I'm saying. Why am I an idiot? Because I don't accept that being "wired differently" means you have a disorder? Because I don't accept that 500 million people have the same disorder? ok duder.

[ZeN]

I'm not saying you don't have problems. I'm saying you don't have ADD.

Not on medication? Yikes. Come over, let's burn one.
I cant disagree with you there. Specifically because Im actually BiPolar.

The medication for BiPolars are suppressors.. like pulling the covers over something.. aiming to hide it rather than making go away. Since it wont go away, you have to learn to deal with the mood disorder and learn to be forceful with testicular fortitude. My condition is sever which is why I tend to be volatile.

Which is why you may regret blazing one with me.. if I decide to partake on a moment that im dysphoric.

[Clippersfan86]

Uh, that's what I'm saying. Why am I an idiot? Because I don't accept that being "wired differently" means you have a disorder? Because I don't accept that 500 million people have the same disorder? ok duder.

I see what you're saying but I think you're downplaying the very real struggles of having this disorder. Not being able to control my focus very well, having a lot of trouble holding jobs due to that distractability etc. Having extreme impulsiveness.... these are things that when I'm medicated no longer exist. Problem is medication takes away your personality, your passion and your joy. So I decided I'll just try to cope best I can without meds.

[Lamar Doom]

I'm really not trying to offend any of you guys. I just think there's a tendency to allow these things to become part of your identity. There's a difference between a symptom and a disorder. You have a runny nose, you don't have a cold. You feel sad, you're not depressed. You're sleepy, you're not chronically fatigued. You interpret these things that are so human as something that needs prognosis and even treatment and I interpret that as weakness. I love y'all, I'm not trying to start shit, I just think the epidemic is people not having perspective on things and not trying to work on their shit before they box themselves into modern psychology and pharmaceuticals.

[Lamar Doom]

I see what you're saying but I think you're downplaying the very real struggles of having this disorder. Not being able to control my focus very well, having a lot of trouble holding jobs due to that distractability etc. Having extreme impulsiveness.... these are things that when I'm medicated no longer exist. Problem is medication takes away your personality, your passion and your joy. So I decided I'll just try to cope best I can without meds.


I feel you. I believe you can do more than just "cope" without your meds. I'm not downplaying your struggles.

[Clippersfan86]

I feel you. I believe you can do more than just "cope" without your meds. I'm not downplaying your struggles.

True. Unfortunately it's very hard for me to make use of my gifts with some of these problems. Simple things like not talking over people etc are so hard for me. Not trying to make excuses just saying it's more of an uphill battle than it is for some others.

[OhNoTimNoSho]

And people who are depressed just need to snap out of it. Maybe i just should have slapped my daughter around and told her to get over it. :rolleyes:
I truly believe that an extremely mentally strong person would be able to overcome depression. It would be hard, but it is possible to correct mental processes.

[BEAST Griffin]

I'm really not trying to offend any of you guys. I just think there's a tendency to allow these things to become part of your identity. There's a difference between a symptom and a disorder. You have a runny nose, you don't have a cold. You feel sad, you're not depressed. You're sleepy, you're not chronically fatigued. You interpret these things that are so human as something that needs prognosis and even treatment and I interpret that as weakness. I love y'all, I'm not trying to start shit, I just think the epidemic is people not having perspective on things and not trying to work on their shit before they box themselves into modern psychology and pharmaceuticals.

Diagnoses for "mental illnesses" are as broad as possible. It's like they were written by pharmaceutical companies. There is a lot of conflict of interest in the field, all government sanctioned. I just call it the medical industrial complex.

[ZeN]

I truly believe that an extremely mentally strong person would be able to overcome depression. It would be hard, but it is possible to correct mental processes.
You're a riot.. If they were mentally strong they wouldnt be suffering from depression :oldlol:


People get this misconception that not being as mentally strong is an insult.

[bmulls]

I see what you're saying but I think you're downplaying the very real struggles of having this disorder. Not being able to control my focus very well, having a lot of trouble holding jobs due to that distractability etc. Having extreme impulsiveness.... these are things that when I'm medicated no longer exist. Problem is medication takes away your personality, your passion and your joy. So I decided I'll just try to cope best I can without meds.

Strong victim post.

People 200 years ago would laugh at you and your "disorder".

[ZeN]

Strong victim post.

People 200 years ago would laugh at you and your "disorder".
200 years ago a person would have grown up with less distractions and would have been subjected to different type of food, social environment, and types of entertainment.. etc..

If he were born back then, he wouldn't be the man he is today.

[Clippersfan86]

I'm the wrong guy to refer to as mentally weak or say I have a victim mentality. I grew up in grouphomes and homeless. Father left when I was three both parents were meth addicts. I was abused in all ways imaginable. Almost everybody I've ever cared about or loved is dead or in prison. Therapists are amazed at how strong i've been actually to come out of that college educated and being a mostly productive adult when my siblings are on the streets doing drugs.

You'll be hard pressed to find many as mentally strong and resilient as me. Also the fact that everybody I've told this to is utterly shocked proves I don.t walk around like a victim. People always assume I grew up in a good home and was raised well.

[ZeN]

I'm the wrong guy to refer to as mentally weak or say I have a victim mentality. I grew up in grouphomes and homeless. Father left when I was three both parents were meth addicts. I was abused in all ways imaginable. Almost everybody I've ever cared about or loved is dead or in prison. Therapists are amazed at how strong i've been actually to come out of that college educated and being a mostly productive adult when my siblings are on the streets doing drugs.

You'll be hard pressed to find many as mentally strong and resilient as me. Also the fact that everybody I've told this to is utterly shocked proves I don.t walk around like a victim. People always assume I grew up in a good home and was raised well.
Its impossible I think, to properly convey these bad life experiences.. People are driven by a type of tunnel vision. They find it difficult to show empathy because they literally don't understand what you're talking about.

Your not telling a sob story but simply being candid about what has been your reality.

[Clippersfan86]

Its impossible I think, to properly convey these bad life experiences.. People are driven by a type of tunnel vision. They find it difficult to show empathy because they literally don't understand what you're talking about.

Your not telling a sob story but simply being candid about what has been your reality.

Exactly. As you said I don't want sympathy. Just respect and understanding.

[AK47DR91]

I truly believe that an extremely mentally strong person would be able to overcome depression. It would be hard, but it is possible to correct mental processes.
The thing with depression is that a lot of times, it's not severe enough to the point that the person want change. A lot of times the person don't even know why they're depressed.

It took 15 months of no income, no contact with any other human beings other than my mother, brother and sister to get out of my funk. Now looking back I have no clue why or what made me waste 15 months of my life.

[LBJMVP]

im gonna tell you guys like me dad told me, and what my im gonna tell my kids.


back when he was a kid, there was a cure for ADHD.
if you got in trouble at school, and you teacher said you were a trouble maker and couldnt concentrate.

you would go home and your dad would whip you f*cking ass till you understood to pay attention.

[YGS]

im gonna tell you guys like me dad told me, and what my im gonna tell my kids.


back when he was a kid, there was a cure for ADHD.
if you got in trouble at school, and you teacher said you were a trouble maker and couldnt concentrate.

you would go home and your dad would whip you f*cking ass till you understood to pay attention.
No wonder you turned out to be a LeBron James fan.

[highwhey]

I see what you're saying but I think you're downplaying the very real struggles of having this disorder. Not being able to control my focus very well, having a lot of trouble holding jobs due to that distractability etc. Having extreme impulsiveness.... these are things that when I'm medicated no longer exist. Problem is medication takes away your personality, your passion and your joy. So I decided I'll just try to cope best I can without meds.
it really does. makes me a dull person, without any emotion whatsoever. and the comedown every evening is fcking hell. if i remember correctly, you were also on adderall ha? how the hell did you get off it? i've tried a handful of times already, with my longest stretch of adderall-free being 4 days. it's bad going without addy after having been on it for a year or so. i ran 2 red lights on my last cold-turkey attempt..it was terrible, i felt like i was gona crash at any point. and holy sh!t, the hunger! i've gone from being satisfied by eating an apple and a bowl of cereal the entire day to eating an entire pizza in the morning and taco bell for lunch and chipotle burrito for dinner and cereal for night-snack. :facepalm

[RaininTwos]

I'm with LD, people are so quick to accept the fact that they have this disorder or that disorder in a sad attempt at differentiation.

[ZeN]

I'm with LD, people are so quick to accept the fact that they have this disorder or that disorder in a sad attempt at differentiation.
What exactly gives you the indication that these people made a quick or rash decision in accepting that evaluation in themselves?

I fail to see a single poster in this thread that said it was easy coming to that conclusion or that they weren't or aren't skeptical about any diagnosis.

Or was it just a figure of speech? Because to you every single person is really saying they have a condition as a flight of fancy?

[highwhey]

Its impossible I think, to properly convey these bad life experiences.. People are driven by a type of tunnel vision. They find it difficult to show empathy because they literally don't understand what you're talking about.

Your not telling a sob story but simply being candid about what has been your reality.
I like how you explained this, theres been many times where i've chosen to remain quiet but i wish i had your words at those times to explain to people.

I still rmbr those poems u linked us in the bte, you have a way with words :applause:

[rufuspaul]

I truly believe that an extremely mentally strong person would be able to overcome depression. It would be hard, but it is possible to correct mental processes.


Evidence that isn't anecdotal?

[rufuspaul]

Cancer is a disease, not a disorder. That's a physiological problem, not psychological. It's life-threatening so treatment is definitely necessary.


Wrong. Your brain is an organ, part of your body like everything else. You can't separate it from the rest of your body and say that nothing physiological is going on there. Disorders of the brain are very much physiological.

[ZeN]

I was diagnosed with it too, I'm not an outsider. People need to be able to label their symptoms so they have come up with this broad disorder for everyone to use as a crutch and to sell a shitload of drugs. It's bullshit dude. It's not real. Some of the symptoms are real, but many of them are just differences in the way we process the world. It's a candy coated excuse for the weak minded. "it's not my fault, i have a learning disorder"
I missed this comment..

And now it makes sense why your being so defensive in this matter. You have taken it as a personal insult that someone is challenging your mental health. You have made up this idea in your mind that if you accept that you have any sort of difference in your mind that it makes you WEAK.. You believe its somehow an excuse for things or a cop out.

Makes a lot of sense to understand now that your defense mechanism is what s making this so heated and personal for you..

You deny the conditions existence because then that will negate the possibility of you being able to have it.

I wonder if you ever had family or friends that placed a bad stigma on ADD or maybe you have hidden low self esteem that makes you feel so defensive towards this. Usually someone who doesnt care isnt as passionate about wanting something to not be real so badly.

You complain about people making it a part of their identity because you dont want it to be part of yours. As if having certain symptoms is being a conformist. You fear being labeled or being part of group.. the whole hate hipsters mentality.. Its a juvenile way of looking at things. You need to base the reality of mental conditions on the actual facts, not on this perception that you have about how others look at it.


If someone has issues, problems, symptoms, and other relative things.. they will have to deal with them. Regardless of what you want to call it, label it, or perceive it as... in the end, if there is something there, then there is something there.. and no amount of defensive posturing or low self esteem will change that fact.


There are many people today who are dealing with their personal issues in silence, without medication and without calling it ADD or ADHD or any other thing.. They suffer the daily tribulations of their troubles and have not been diagnosed.. THAT is very real.. The rest of the details like meds, social perception, and labeling.. wont change the fact that those people will continue to go through, what they are going through.

[RaininTwos]

What exactly gives you the indication that these people made a quick or rash decision in accepting that evaluation in themselves?

I fail to see a single poster in this thread that said it was easy coming to that conclusion or that they weren't or aren't skeptical about any diagnosis.

Or was it just a figure of speech? Because to you every single person is really saying they have a condition as a flight of fancy?
What gives you an indication that I wasn't speaking in general?

[ZeN]

What gives you an indication that I wasn't speaking in general?
As if that makes it any better.

[ZeN]

i love you all <3
:oldlol:

[NuggetsFan]

I'm with LD, people are so quick to accept the fact that they have this disorder or that disorder in a sad attempt at differentiation.

Am I wrong here or isn't usually found at a younger age? More people get diagnosed with it at like 6-12 than they do at 30. Seriously doubt a 7 year old is quick to accept he has ADD and it's an attempt to be different :oldlol:

People just need to stop being so one sided. Clearly people abuse it, like everything else in the world. I'm sure for every 3-4 people that use it as an excuse, play it up, were misinformed etc. there's a guy who really struggles with it and has it affect their life.

I will say they push it on everybody tho. Even in the 90's when I was a kid I remember like half of my buddies and myself potentially had ADD because we'd never sit still and rather goof off than do school work.

[rufuspaul]

I will say they push it on everybody tho. Even in the 90's when I was a kid I remember like half of my buddies and myself potentially had ADD because we'd never sit still and rather goof off than do school work.


That's the problem. Drugs have been over-prescribed which leads people like Lamar Doom to believe that the whole thing is a sham. It's unfortunate for the people that truly suffer from it.

It amazes me how many people here can make blanket statements on a disorder like ADHD with absolutely no science to back up their claim. It's like "I don't believe it so therefore it doesn't exist and anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron." Okay, where are the peer reviewed double blind studies to back up your oh so educated claim?

[TheSilentKiller]

Anyone mind giving a quick explanation of how ADD is different than ADHD?

[ZeN]

why is denial capitalized?



Because im posting on my phone.. And autocorrect seems to have a mind of its own.

[Math2]

ADHD is just an excuse to give/sell drugs.

[Clippersfan86]

Anyone mind giving a quick explanation of how ADD is different than ADHD?

Only difference is hyperactivity is part of the condition for ADHD.

[Duderonomy]

Oh yeah I did start this thread 7 months ago.

[MetsPackers]

Zen is correct. As somebody who will admit I have ADHD he's right that it's not necessarily that you CAN'T focus it's more so that you can't choose WHAT you focus on. I always say I wish I could direct that hyperfocus away from basketball, friendships, video games etc and direct it to career. If I could do that I'd already be wealthy and dominating my career quite possibly.

CF86 if you're reading this, I gota rip you for this one dude. This is the exact kind of excuse complex that ADHD detractors such as myself as talking about. "Oh damn woe is me, if not for my ADHD making me focus on friendship so much, i'd definitely be wealthy and dominating my career right now!!" :roll: Yeah fvcking right. You'd be exactly as you are now with maybe some slight differences.

Or your later excuse "I can't hold a job because of my ADHD". Lol wut? I can only imagine how exactly you are using your ADHD as an excuse for why you can't hold a job ROFL

*CF86 is hired to be a cashier at a supermarket*
*One week into the job*

Boss: "Cashier #2, where the fvck is CF86?!? Why isn't he at his register?"

Cashier #2: "I think he's in the bread isle again sir, starting ranting about friendship and just started walking around"

Boss: "Goddamnit that kids ADHD is getting him fired! If not for that, he'd be dominating this Shoprite!"

:roll: :roll:

[macmac]

ADHD is the only reason Bill Murray stole Clippersfans spot on the original Ghost Busters