eal Signature moves: Charles Barkley the Gorilla Dunk!

[AlphaWolf24]

In Basketball it's not always the "flashy" moves that make a player great...it's the small details...the little things that seperate great players from thier peers.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_G5FCIoRZU50/TOaZIRPZmhI/AAAAAAAAAMM/GGR5r9lVCVU/s1600/Charles_Barkley_Sixers.jpg

The Gorilla Dunk

Bieng able to to attack the basket from 15' and beyond and finishing with a thunderous 2 handed Dunk!...Literally no regard for who is in front of you...

http://instntrply.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/BarkleyOnMalone.gif



- One of the most facinating aspects of Sir Charles's game...was his ability to to not only rebound but to create a play off of a rebound.( while the defense was not set)

- at only 6'3" Barkley had to use position and an intense hunger to get rebounds....but not only coul he rebound.....he had the skill and ability to create for himself or teamates...often times leading to a coast to coast Slam or a easy pass - layup for a teamate

This is the epitome..of a Gorilla dunk
http://oi44.tinypic.com/520sa0.jpg


Other aspects of his game....
- Barkley Blocks a shot...rebounds....and throws a perfect pass before the defense knows what happened>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvvSI2DRvF0&feature=player_detailpage#t=39s

- Barkley rebounds...takes the ball all the way to the other key....goes behind his back to finish over a defender>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvvSI2DRvF0&feature=player_detailpage#t=76s

- with great timing to judge when the ball will go up

and.... let's face it...Barkley was gifted with a great "lower center of gravity"...he used it for out boxing taller opponents...and unlike other great rebounders of his generation...he had amazing play making skills to attack after he grabbed one.

Watching today's great Forwards like Lebron or Blake Griffin take a rebound all the way...I can only think back to Barkley...He did it better then anyone ever....

and later in his career l...ike many alltime greats he developed a consistent outside shot combined with a top shelf post game....he was a truly unique player.

- Barkley once said...he was paid to wreak havok on the basketball court....

and that's exactly what he did.....

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http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o524/aloncho11/Barkley-1.gif

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[Knicksfever2010]

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[TheAesirsFinest]

:applause: Great thread. That "epitome of a Gorilla dunk" is one of my favorite plays ever. So much raw power.

It's a shame there isn't that much video of Barkley on YouTube.

[CavaliersFTW]

wtf charles barkley is not 6-3 where the flying hell did you get that nmber? :lol

He has always been been extremely honest about being measured w/o shoes the many times the subject has come up in interview. The lowest number I've heard measured was 6-4 and 5/8ths w/o shoes in the 1992 Olympics and the highest was an even 6-5 w/o shoes. Seeing as how peoples height fluctuates a little the few fractions of an inch difference makes sense, and it also lines up with when he stands along side other players who measured very similarly (MJ, 6-4 and 7/8ths)

Barkely is "about" 6-5 w/o shoes. And with the advent of super thick 1990's shoe designs he's also gonna be roughly 6-6 with shoes on for those that care to guess his in-shoes figure.


6-3 :oldlol: , he gets shorter and shorter as time goes on

[BuffaloBill]

6-3 :oldlol: , he gets shorter and shorter as time goes on


In a few years he'll be 5'10. Greatest PF under 6' to ever play the game :bowdown:

[BuffaloBill]

This is the epitome..of a Gorilla dunk
http://oi44.tinypic.com/520sa0.jpg





I love that one. One of my favorite plays of all time.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Beast!

[CavaliersFTW]

In a few years he'll be 5'10. Greatest PF under 6' to ever play the game :bowdown:

:lol seriously

[josh99]

In a few years he'll be 5'10. Greatest PF under 6' to ever play the game :bowdown:
:roll:

[Round Mound]

6`4 3/4 or 1.95 mt

:bowdown:

[AlphaWolf24]

wtf charles barkley is not 6-3 where the flying hell did you get that nmber? :lol

He has always been been extremely honest about being measured w/o shoes the many times the subject has come up in interview. The lowest number I've heard measured was 6-4 and 5/8ths w/o shoes in the 1992 Olympics and the highest was an even 6-5 w/o shoes. Seeing as how peoples height fluctuates a little the few fractions of an inch difference makes sense, and it also lines up with when he stands along side other players who measured very similarly (MJ, 6-4 and 7/8ths)

Barkely is "about" 6-5 w/o shoes. And with the advent of super thick 1990's shoe designs he's also gonna be roughly 6-6 with shoes on for those that care to guess his in-shoes figure.


6-3 :oldlol: , he gets shorter and shorter as time goes on


yeah my fault..I read his book and he said he was no taller then 6 4"...

I know there has been talk of his real height for years...I thought he was 6 3" - 6 4" with shoes...

but 6'3" and 6'4" is not that big of difference...:lol @acting like calling Barkley 6 3" is so wrong.

[CavaliersFTW]

yeah my fault..I read his book and he said he was no taller then 6 4"...

I know there has been talk of his real height for years...I thought he was 6 3" - 6 4" with shoes...

but 6'3" and 6'4" is not that big of difference...:lol @acting like calling Barkley 6 3" is so wrong.
It's nothing personal :lol I'm only laughing cause ur not the only one who has underrated Barkleys height on ISH - im grouping what you said with what others on ISH have said the past few months

There are barkley threads and player measurement threads that have revealed Barkley to be (6-4.63, 6-4.75, or 6-5) w/o shoes, pick one - they are all probably correct due to minor height variations in people throughout a given day/lifetime.

In spite of threads with sources for his actual height somebody always still manages to undersell his height in other random threads by calling him 6-4 (ignoring that he was actually closer to 6-5). If his book says 6-4 than now these underrated figures are starting to make sense - that's probably the source of the problem, because Barkley probably meant 6-4 the same way Bill Russell means 6-9 when he refers to himself (Bill Russell was 6-9 and 5/8ths w/o shoes... which is 6-10 to most people... but Russell just called himself 6-9 and dropped the decimal altogether instead of rounding up)

[AlphaWolf24]

It's nothing personal :lol I'm only laughing cause ur not the only one who has underrated Barkleys height on ISH - im grouping what you said with what others on ISH have said the past few months

There are barkley threads and player measurement threads that have revealed Barkley to be (6-4.63, 6-4.75, or 6-5) w/o shoes, pick one - they are all probably correct due to minor height variations in people throughout a given day/lifetime.

In spite of threads with sources for his actual height somebody always still manages to undersell his height in other random threads by calling him 6-4 (ignoring that he was actually closer to 6-5). If his book says 6-4 than now these underrated figures are starting to make sense - that's probably the source of the problem, because Barkley probably meant 6-4 the same way Bill Russell means 6-9 when he refers to himself (Bill Russell was 6-9 and 5/8ths w/o shoes... which is 6-10 to most people... but Russell just called himself 6-9 and dropped the decimal altogether instead of rounding up)


well two things Barkley has said...that stand out.

" He said he is no taller then 6 - 4""

" He said he always rounds up"

take that as what you will...:confusedshrug:

people lie about thier height all the time....

[TaLvsCuaL]

What a beast!

Barkley athleticism is underrated.

[MavsSuperFan]

wtf charles barkley is not 6-3 where the flying hell did you get that nmber? :lol

He has always been been extremely honest about being measured w/o shoes the many times the subject has come up in interview. The lowest number I've heard measured was 6-4 and 5/8ths w/o shoes in the 1992 Olympics and the highest was an even 6-5 w/o shoes. Seeing as how peoples height fluctuates a little the few fractions of an inch difference makes sense, and it also lines up with when he stands along side other players who measured very similarly (MJ, 6-4 and 7/8ths)

Barkely is "about" 6-5 w/o shoes. And with the advent of super thick 1990's shoe designs he's also gonna be roughly 6-6 with shoes on for those that care to guess his in-shoes figure.


6-3 :oldlol: , he gets shorter and shorter as time goes on


6-4 is still pretty short.

[CavaliersFTW]

6-4 is still pretty short.
He's not 6-4, he's ~ 6-5

[Round Mound]

He's not 6-4, he's ~ 6-5

:no:

[B]He is 6`4 3/4 ft or 1.95 mt

So Just Short and Shy of 6

[andgar923]

Did Round Mound hack into Alpha's account?

[AlphaWolf24]

He's not 6-4, he's ~ 6-5


no he's barley if at all 6 4"...

[AlphaWolf24]

Did Round Mound hack into Alpha's account?

The dream shake
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=273262
Magic no look pass/Bird's Jumper
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=275918&page=3
Tim Hardaway The UTEP2STEP
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=274647

:cheers:

[andgar923]

The dream shake
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=273262
Magic no look pass/Bird's Jumper
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=275918&page=3
Tim Hardaway The UTEP2STEP
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=274647

:cheers:
I stand corrected, good shit.

[Round Mound]

You Should also Show Charles Barkley`s Post Spin Moves. Among the Best Ever. :bowdown:

[andgar923]

You Should also Show Charles Barkley`s Post Spin Moves. Among the Best Ever. :bowdown:

Very true.

He had lower center of gravity than his defenders and oddly enough had great balance and body control for a player his weight.

[CavaliersFTW]

[QUOTE=Round Mound]:no:

[B]He is 6`4 3/4 ft or 1.95 mt

So Just Short and Shy of 6

[CavaliersFTW]

no he's barley if at all 6 4"...
:oldlol: so Barkley is the size of Jerry West now? Because your misinterpreting his book and quotes?

[Round Mound]

Very true.

He had lower center of gravity than his defenders and oddly enough had great balance and body control for a player his weight.

Yup :applause:

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

If he could play defense he'd be the best PF of all time.

[Go Getter]

His signature move was the "chicken wing" in the post. Do your homework OP.

[Round Mound]

If he could play defense he'd be the best PF of all time.

He Wasn`t as Bad Defender as People Make Him To Be. He Was Lazy Thats True. He Never had a Great Defensive Anchor Unlike guys like Duncan (Robinson), Malone (Eaton) etc to Make It Easier for him. The Year he Played with Moses just for the Season in 1985-86 he Finished Top 7 In Defensive Rating. Had he Played with a Better Defensive Team or Anchor He Would Have Benefited More So. He was Averaging like 2 SPG and 1.5 BPG when he had a Defensive Anchor but After that He Was Alone. I am Not Saying He Was Great Defender but He Was Certainly Above Average.

If You Wan`t to See Young Charles with Some Nice Defensive Plays Watch This While Defending Bird and McHale:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJZYTkjnDlU
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nSA3KipOzU&feature=relmfu

[C-Webb4]

Charles Barkley was an amazing player. What I never understood was how he was such an aggressive assertive monster on offense and on the glass but yet such a lazy defender which even to this day he openly admits.

[andgar923]

If he could play defense he'd be the best PF of all time.

That's somewhat of a myth.

I know he jokes about it himself, but he was as good of a defender as he could be for somebody at his height at his position. While he may not have been the best one on one defender, he was still good at other aspects. He's at worst an avg defender and at best slightly better than average considering other aspects he brought to the table.

[MJ(Mean John)]

He Wasn`t as Bad Defender as People Make Him To Be. He Was Lazy Thats True. He Never had a Great Defensive Anchor Unlike guys like Duncan (Robinson), Malone (Eaton) etc to Make It Easier for him. The Year he Played with Moses just for the Season in 1985-86 he Finished Top 7 In Defensive Rating. Had he Played with a Better Defensive Team or Anchor He Would Have Benefited More So. He was Averaging like 2 SPG and 1.5 BPG when he had a Defensive Anchor but After that He Was Alone. I am Not Saying He Was Great Defender but He Was Certainly Above Average.

If You Wan`t to See Young Charles with Some Nice Defensive Plays Watch This While Defending Bird and McHale:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJZYTkjnDlU
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nSA3KipOzU&feature=relmfu


My dude, how old are you?

Just curious man. N.iggas now a days dont appreciate guys like chuck anymore.

IMO, Chuck with a few rings, would be GOAT PF. Just sucks that Jordan had to exist. (HA!)

But, Chuck was truly, a unique presence. To be honest, the man was 6'4. Just dominating the glass like it wasnt shit. I'm talking, I used to watch Chuck shit on n.iggas twice his size.lol

He would put you on his backside, box you out, and punk the shit out of you.


Chuck is my favorite PF of all time. Love how he was 6'4 and just dominating the paint. like people had to pay him rent.

[Smoke117]

This isn't really signature. Ray Allen dunked like this too in his athletic prime. Look up youtube videos. A lot of people used to say how he would dunk like like a monkey/gorilla whatever lol, so it's not really signature to Charles. I don't think Ray Allen was copying Charles Barkley or anything that is just the way he dunked and it's just the way it looked when he dunked two handed.

[Round Mound]

My dude, how old are you?

Just curious man. N.iggas now a days dont appreciate guys like chuck anymore.

IMO, Chuck with a few rings, would be GOAT PF. Just sucks that Jordan had to exist. (HA!)

But, Chuck was truly, a unique presence. To be honest, the man was 6'4. Just dominating the glass like it wasnt shit. I'm talking, I used to watch Chuck shit on n.iggas twice his size.lol

He would put you on his backside, box you out, and punk the shit out of you.


Chuck is my favorite PF of all time. Love how he was 6'4 and just dominating the paint. like people had to pay him rent.

:applause:

[AlphaWolf24]

His signature move was the "chicken wing" in the post. Do your homework OP.


no need to do home work..I'm baseing my opinions from watching his whole career...

- and yes you are correct...he did use the reverse pivot/spin ( while trapping his defender with a "chiken wing")...

- But just as Chris Webber and Shaq said.....Barkley was one of the first PF's who could take the ball coast to coast (off of the dribble and create)....he ushered in a whole new generation of Big Men ( along with Magic and Bird...Big Men wanted to be able to dribble after getting a rebound and take it all the way)

- what you are talking about is a Post move nearly all Big men use.....but Barkley was a pioneer in playing a more versatile game....and thinking about one move is very hard for any player.

- but when I think of Barkley...it's the Gorilla Dunk....him getting a board and creating a nasty attack of the rim and finishing with a two handed Dunk.

[AlphaWolf24]

This isn't really signature. Ray Allen dunked like this too in his athletic prime. Look up youtube videos. A lot of people used to say how he would dunk like like a monkey/gorilla whatever lol, so it's not really signature to Charles. I don't think Ray Allen was copying Charles Barkley or anything that is just the way he dunked and it's just the way it looked when he dunked two handed.


Ray allen is a SG who patterns his game mostly after other great shooters....not Charles Barkley:facepalm .....

- Chuck's abilty to rebound and create off of the dribble was very unique in his generation...and helped influence the next generation of PF's

- of course guy's who dunk aren't copying Barkley.....it's about that one move that you think of when you say the players name.

- example: Ray Allen = screen Rub baseline 3 pointer....does that mean every player who shoots a baseline 3 is copying Ray?...

[pauk]

He was a monster... although i wouldnt put him ahead of Lebron in that coast to coast / transition / fastbreak department, ive NEVER seen anything close to Lebron in that specific department... People keep talking about his strength, speed and so on when he freight trains up, but its his ballhandling (and unique vision/passing aswell) at that size that makes it even more unfair...

Those were highlights for Barkley, but this is what Lebron attempts every single time he grabs that ball at his own rim...

[CavaliersFTW]

He was a monster... although i wouldnt put him ahead of Lebron in that coast to coast / transition / fastbreak department, ive NEVER seen anything close to Lebron in that specific department... People keep talking about his strength, speed and so on when he freight trains up, but its his ballhandling (and unique vision/passing aswell) at that size that makes it even more unfair...

Those were highlights for Barkley, but this is what Lebron attempts every single time he grabs that ball at his own rim...
Are you trying to suggest that highlight material for Barkley is but mere "routine" activity for Lebron? If so, No.

[SourPatchKids]

BuffaloBill was here. I can sense his presence.

[AlphaWolf24]

He was a monster... although i wouldnt put him ahead of Lebron in that coast to coast / transition / fastbreak department, ive NEVER seen anything close to Lebron in that specific department... People keep talking about his strength, speed and so on when he freight trains up, but its his ballhandling (and unique vision/passing aswell) at that size that makes it even more unfair...

Those were highlights for Barkley, but this is what Lebron attempts every single time he grabs that ball at his own rim...


- yeah you maybe right...but I was coming from the aspect of ....Barkley was one of the pioneer's ...

- Barkley helped redifine the role ( along with Magic and Bird)...Barkley was one of the first PF's who could do all those things...he helped change the traditional position to a more open / skilled game.

without Barkley and Magic..Lebron would be a 6'9" PF who just rebounded and post up.

[Rake2204]

Just to throw my hat into the ring about the whole Charles Barkley height thing - I tend to use his mugshot as a very loose reference. First, I figure he's wearing shoes in the picture, which is most often how heights are listed in the NBA. Second, I figure even if the mug shot weren't entirely accurate, it likely wasn't off by 3+ inches:

http://www.insidesocal.com/tomhoffarth/barkleyc.jpg

If nothing else, I compare him to a player of similar height. Here he is standing directly next to 6'6'' Michael Jordan.

http://2daysports.com/img/articles/images/barkley-calls-out-jordan.jpg

And if it helps further, here's 6'6'' Michael Jordan looking down at listed 6'4'' Gary Payton:

http://sneakerpedia.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/gary-payton-michael-jordan.jpg

Depending on a player's true barefoot height, there's a pretty wide window of height claim variance. For instance, if Barkley truly was listed at 6'4'' and 3/4ths, that could theoretically give him claim to 6'4'' (if he rounds down), 6'5'' (if he rounds up), and 6'6'' (in shoes). There might even be a push for 6'7'' a media guide decides to take the shoe height and jump it up a notch.

I personally do the same thing. I'm 6'2'' and 3/4 (barefoot). I call this 6'3''. However, there's times I claim 6'4'' due to my shoe height. And in the past, there were actually times I'd claim 6'2'' so people thought the fact I could dunk was even cooler.

[Round Mound]

Why is it so Hard for People to Believe he was Just 6`4 3/4 ft or 1.95 mt.? :confusedshrug:

That was the Olympic Listing and Himself he says that he is 6`4 3/4 ft only.

Though Listed at 6`6 ft or 1.98 mt Doesn`t Mean He Was that Height. In Shoes he was probably at best 6`5 1/2 ft, below 6`6.

The Thing is that Other Players like Karl Malone who was really 6`8 3/4 ft (2.04 mt) and at 6`9 ft (2.05 ft) If You Round Up etc Its Ok But Its Stupid to Say Barkley was 6`6 ft (1.98 mt) While When He Standed Next to Guys that are Actually 6`6 ft or 1.98 mt like Chris Mullin, Mark Aguirre, Thunder Dan etc he Looks Way Smaller.

Also His Bulky Frame Makes Him Look Taller Too (more like around or over 260 lbs than his official listing 252 lbs)

Barkley was Better than Lebron James in Coast to Coast because he had Superior Lateral Movement. Lebron James Lacks That. But in the Open Floor Can`t Go Wrong With Either of Them.

Also Barkley was a Rebounding Power Machine and his Post Game was Godly and the Most Effective In the NBA besides Shaq.

He was the Perfect Mix of Leaping Ability (39 inches), Weight, Natural Strength, Power or Potence, Agility, Speed and That Combined With Great Post Game Skills

The Best Combination of Power and Finess The NBA has Ever Seen.

[AlphaWolf24]

Just to throw my hat into the ring about the whole Charles Barkley height thing - I tend to use his mugshot as a very loose reference. First, I figure he's wearing shoes in the picture, which is most often how heights are listed in the NBA. Second, I figure even if the mug shot weren't entirely accurate, it likely wasn't off by 3+ inches:

http://www.insidesocal.com/tomhoffarth/barkleyc.jpg

If nothing else, I compare him to a player of similar height. Here he is standing directly next to 6'6'' Michael Jordan.

http://2daysports.com/img/articles/images/barkley-calls-out-jordan.jpg

And if it helps further, here's 6'6'' Michael Jordan looking down at listed 6'4'' Gary Payton:

http://sneakerpedia.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/gary-payton-michael-jordan.jpg

Depending on a player's true barefoot height, there's a pretty wide window of height claim variance. For instance, if Barkley truly was listed at 6'4'' and 3/4ths, that could theoretically give him claim to 6'4'' (if he rounds down), 6'5'' (if he rounds up), and 6'6'' (in shoes). There might even be a push for 6'7'' a media guide decides to take the shoe height and jump it up a notch.

I personally do the same thing. I'm 6'2'' and 3/4 (barefoot). I call this 6'3''. However, there's times I claim 6'4'' due to my shoe height. And in the past, there were actually times I'd claim 6'2'' so people thought the fact I could dunk was even cooler.


- I wouldn't take too much stock into the Mugshot...those cameras are not accurate...and easily could have been taken from the camera bieng mounted lower ( looking up)..rather then level ( as it is mounted to take photo's of the average hieght)...

- I would just go off of what Barkley himself says...."no taller then 6'4" "

[CavaliersFTW]

- I wouldn't take too much stock into the Mugshot...those cameras are not accurate...and easily could have been taken from the camera bieng mounted lower ( looking up)..rather then level ( as it is mounted to take photo's of the average hieght)...

- I would just go off of what Barkley himself says...."no taller then 6'4" "
I do go by what Barkley says, and unlike you I don't take quotes from his book out of context:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDz2yGoK_xk&t=1m

Chick Hearn: "Actually your not even 6-5!"

Barkley: "I'm almost 6-5" ..."I'm 6-4 and 3/4"

which is exactly what me and RoundMound have been saying... Chuck isn't 6-4 unless you have a bad habit of rounding down 3/4 of an inch... In his book if he does say 6-4 and doesn't include the fraction than I'm sure he means 6-4 the same way Bill Russell meant 6-9 (Bill was actually 6-9 and 5/8ths... closer to 6-10 - but he considers himself "6-9" because he wasn't quite 6-10 despite the counter intuitive rounding)

[Sarcastic]

Barkley's new signature move: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovJ1VqMLMkc&feature=player_embedded


Falling asleep on camera.

[HardwoodLegend]

Just to throw my hat into the ring about the whole Charles Barkley height thing - I tend to use his mugshot as a very loose reference. First, I figure he's wearing shoes in the picture, which is most often how heights are listed in the NBA. Second, I figure even if the mug shot weren't entirely accurate, it likely wasn't off by 3+ inches:

http://www.insidesocal.com/tomhoffarth/barkleyc.jpg

He probably had on dress shoes with an elevated heel to go with that shirt.

[AlphaWolf24]

I do go by what Barkley says, and unlike you I don't take quotes from his book out of context:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDz2yGoK_xk&t=1m

Chick Hearn: "Actually your not even 6-5!"

Barkley: "I'm almost 6-5" ..."I'm 6-4 and 3/4"

which is exactly what me and RoundMound have been saying... Chuck isn't 6-4 unless you have a bad habit of rounding down 3/4 of an inch... In his book if he does say 6-4 and doesn't include the fraction than I'm sure he means 6-4 the same way Bill Russell meant 6-9 (Bill was actually 6-9 and 5/8ths... closer to 6-10 - but he considers himself "6-9" because he wasn't quite 6-10 despite the counter intuitive rounding)


:facepalm

FFS son....do we need math here?....6' 4 3/4"?...no one says I'm 6 ' 4 3/4"

even if he is 6' 4 3/4".....he would say 6' 4"....
recap: we all understand ...he is 6' 4 3/4" (or possibly slightly less...but 6' 4" seems about close enough)

[Rake2204]

- I wouldn't take too much stock into the Mugshot...those cameras are not accurate...and easily could have been taken from the camera bieng mounted lower ( looking up)..rather then level ( as it is mounted to take photo's of the average hieght)...

- I would just go off of what Barkley himself says...."no taller then 6'4" "Righto, I do not take much stock in that photo, as I mentioned in my initial post. However, I did believe there is not a very high chance the mugshot camera would be off by 4 inches. I thought it made more sense to go off the official Olympic listing of 6'4'' and 3/4, which most would round up to 6'5''. Slap on some shoes and he earns a 6'6'' height in the manner with how most media guides list players. I also think photos of him standing next to other players can be a helpful tool, hence the Jordan/Barkley shot (and the Jordan/Payton shot).

In truth, as many teams and leagues have measured via shoe height over the years, there's always going to be mass confusion over how tall a player really is and what it means in comparison to his contemporaries. It seems like every single player is eligible these days to play the "Amazing, since he was really only ______ tall" card. If we can take an inch away from every player, it all remains the same. Barkley was 6'4'' and 3/4, but I'm sure many of his 6'10'' or 7'0'' opponents were really actually an inch or two shorter than that themselves. As such, a listed 6'6'' Barkley battling a listed 6'10'' forward is just as impressive as a real heighted 6'4'' Barkley battling a real-heighted 6'8'' forward.

Point being, it seems much more likely that undersized players tend to benefit from the "He's even shorter than he's listed, which makes him more amazing" argument when in fact there are many, many players in the same boat.

Also, 6'4'' and 3/4 would never make a player eligible be labeled 6'3''. Again, at 6'2'' and 3/4 barefoot, I can very rarely claim 6'2'' (when I feel like deceivingly impressing someone) but it'd be way off the mark to ever try to claim 6'1''.