Lebron has never lost in the First Round of the playoffs

[tmacattack33]

Lebron's been in the playoffs 7 times and has advanced past Round 1 every single time.

This does not mean too much, as he has missed the playoffs before, and missing the playoffs is not better than making the playoffs and losing in the first round. But hey, it is interesting to me and we still have 25 days until opening day.




So, name me another franchise player who has never lost in the first round of the playoffs (and has been there at least 7 times).

[StateOfMind12]

Tracy McGrady never got past the first round of the playoffs.

[LongLiveTheKing]

In before someone says its cause he played in the east.

[tmacattack33]

Tracy McGrady never got past the first round of the playoffs.

Yep, and Melo is 1 for 6 or something.

Which makes it all the more impressive to be 7 for 7.

Edit: Correction, Melo is 1 for 9.

[Wavy Crockett]

He's also 1-3 in Finals appearances. Potentially to be 1-4 this season if they play LA.

http://i47.tinypic.com/33za54k.jpg

[b1imtf]

He's also 1 for 3 in Finals appearances.

http://i47.tinypic.com/33za54k.jpg
Fixed

[SpecialQue]

He's also 1-3 in Finals appearances. Potentially to be 1-4 this season if they play LA.

http://i47.tinypic.com/33za54k.jpg

Stop and think about what you're saying. Most players don't GET to the finals in the first place. And what happened in his last finals appearance?

PS: Fvck Lebron.

[Kblaze8855]

He's also 1-3 in Finals appearances

Hes led 3 teams to the finals....at 27.

[Wavy Crockett]

Stop and think about what you're saying. Most players don't GET to the finals in the first place. And what happened in his last finals appearance?

PS: Fvck Lebron.

I'm just saying he's not particularly reliable in terms of "finishing the job". Anyway, he just got a 'chip and is probably going to feel a lot more comfortable with himself and his game. I think if he loses again in the Finals it will hurt his legacy for sure.

[G-Funk]

Tracy McGrady never got past the first round of the playoffs.

/thread
:bowdown:

[G-Funk]

In before someone says its cause he played in the east.

It's cause he played in the East

[Legends66NBA7]

So, name me another franchise player who has never lost in the first round of the playoffs (and has been there at least 7 times).

Bill Russell.

Can't recally anybody else right now.

[L.Kizzle]

Did you forget that he didn't make the playoffs his first 2 seasons in the league, or does that swept under the rug here?

[longtime lurker]

Is this a serious thread? Wow first round :applause: GOAT right there

[chosen_one6]

Did you forget that he didn't make the playoffs his first 2 seasons in the league, or does that swept under the rug here?

You should re-read the original post. He states that he has missed the playoffs entirely.

[b1imtf]

Tracy McGrady never got past the first round of the playoffs.
False... He was in the '09 Houston roster that made it past the first round...
























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[Y2Gezee]

Lebron has never played in a strong conference

[bukowski81]

Duncan has never missed the playoffs (14 times) and the only time he lost in the first round is 2011, when he was way past his prime.

[Umad101]

06-wizards:facepalm
07-wizards:facepalm
08-wizards:biggums:
09-pistons:roll: :roll: :roll:
10-bulls:hammerhead:
11-sixers :hammerhead: :hammerhead:
12-Knicks:oldlol:

Looool like that's something to proud of when facing those shitty teams

[coin24]

06-wizards:facepalm
07-wizards:facepalm
08-wizards:biggums:
09-pistons:roll: :roll: :roll:
10-bulls:hammerhead:
11-sixers :hammerhead: :hammerhead:
12-Knicks:oldlol:

Looool like that's something to proud of when facing those shitty teams


This.. Usually half the East playoff teams are barely .500 and some even have losing records...Pathetic

1-3 in the finals... Id be more impressed with the 3 times being there if he didnt choke and underperform in the first 2.. Last year was a great year for him though... Shame its going to be 1-4 soon.. Wilt junior...

[swi7ch]

Kobe's lost 2x :roll:

[Heavincent]

Not to discredit Lebron, but playing in the East does have a lot do with it. All of the teams mentioned above were mediocre .500 or under teams.

[coin24]

Kobe's lost 2x :roll:

And made it 7 times, 5-7 aint bad:cheers:

And hes still not done yet:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Heavincent]

Kobe's lost 2x :roll:

Yeah, to the Suns, who would obliterate any of the teams Lebron has played in the first round.

[therammingman]

bizarro T-Mac

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Hes led 3 teams to the finals....at 27.
impossible

[tmacattack33]

Did you forget that he didn't make the playoffs his first 2 seasons in the league, or does that swept under the rug here?

Nope. I clearly mentioned in the OP how missing the playoffs would be worse than making it and losing in the first round and mentioned that he has missed it before.

But if something were to have a legitimate reason for getting swept under the rug, it would be someone's first two seasons when they were 18-20 years old.

[tmacattack33]

And hey, that actually brings out about something that sounds even better...

...Lebron has made it to at least the second round of the playoffs ever year ever since he turned 21.

[Droid101]

Yeah, to the Suns, who would obliterate any of the teams Lebron has played on the first round.
Fixed for you.

Those Suns would have murdered each and every LeBron squad.

[KOBE143]

East sucks

[MeLO MvP 15]

Melo has never missed the playoffs (and has played mostly in the much tougher West).

waits for a bunch of irrational LeBron hate to become irrational Knicks hate.

[ripthekik]

06-wizards:facepalm
07-wizards:facepalm
08-wizards
09-pistons
10-bulls:hammerhead:
11-sixers :hammerhead: :hammerhead:
12-Knicks:oldlol:

Looool like that's something to proud of when facing those shitty teams
:roll: :roll: :roll:

That's right.

He's also 1-3 in Finals appearances. Potentially to be 1-4 this season if they play LA.

http://i47.tinypic.com/33za54k.jpg

this is what happens when he plays the West teams, the true tougher teams.

[DirtySanchez]

In before someone says its cause he played in the east.

There is a whole lot of truth to it.
It was the JV league for a minute.

[KOBE143]

06-wizards:facepalm
07-wizards:facepalm
08-wizards:biggums:
09-pistons:roll: :roll: :roll:
10-bulls:hammerhead:
11-sixers :hammerhead:
12-Knicks:oldlol:

Looool like that's something to proud of when facing those shitty teams
He faced the wizards 3 times in the 1st round.. Talk about how lucky he was.. That wizard team is good as bottom feeder in the west.. :lol

[BEAST Griffin]

Fixed for you.

Those Suns would have murdered each and every LeBron squad.

Kobe stans fapped over Kobe's stats against the Suns. I can't imagine what Lebron would've averaged against them. Lebron would've feasted on them.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe stans fapped over Kobe's stats against the Suns. I can't imagine what Lebron would've averaged against them. Lebron would've feasted on them.
Marion guarded Kobe. A past his prime Marion gaurded Lebron in the '11 Finals...17.8 ppg, 0-2 4th quarter point average in games 2-5. Feasted.

[coin24]

Marion guarded Kobe. A past his prime Marion gaurded Lebron in the '11 Finals...17.8 ppg, 0-2 4th quarter point average in games 2-5. Feasted.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :applause: :applause:

[ripthekik]

Marion guarded Kobe. A past his prime Marion gaurded Lebron in the '11 Finals...17.8 ppg, 0-2 4th quarter point average in games 2-5. Feasted.
:roll: :roll: :applause: :applause:

[ukballer]

He faced the wizards 3 times in the 1st round.. Talk about how lucky he was.. That wizard team is good as bottom feeder in the west.. :lol

:facepalm

[Smoke117]

kk

[Money 23]

Hes led 3 teams to the finals....at 27.
His age doesn't matter, he's 10x year vet in the league.

He'd led 2 teams to the Finals (2007 Cavs, 2012 Heat)

He co-led the 2011 Miami Heat

[StateOfMind12]

Marion guarded Kobe. A past his prime Marion gaurded Lebron in the '11 Finals...17.8 ppg, 0-2 4th quarter point average in games 2-5. Feasted.
Raja Bell guarded Kobe in those series. Marion guarded Kobe in the 2011 playoffs though and Kobe didn't do well against him at all.

[Money 23]

Raja Bell guarded Kobe in those series. Marion guarded Kobe in the 2011 playoffs though and Kobe didn't do well against him at all.
I thought it was old 6'4 PG Jason Kidd that was giving Kobe bigger issues in the 2011 playoffs.

[shallehalle]

Marion guarded Kobe. A past his prime Marion gaurded Lebron in the '11 Finals...17.8 ppg, 0-2 4th quarter point average in games 2-5. Feasted.
check Lebrons stats back then against the Suns

[StateOfMind12]

I thought it was old 6'4 PG Jason Kidd that was giving Kobe bigger issues in the 2011 playoffs.
For past two years since Kobe won his 5th ring, it seems like Kobe has had a tougher time scoring against the better defensive players and teams these days.

Kobe use to dominate every defense, every defender, every team, regardless of how good they were but these days Kobe seems to be much more limited and can't really take on the elite teams anymore.

When he was playing the Mavericks last season, he struggled against Marion/Kidd. When he was playing the Thunder, he struggled against Thabo and even Durant. Most of Kobe's points against the Thunder came against James Harden who is like the biggest defensive liability I've ever seen.

[Segatti]

Would be impressive if he played in the West.

[LikeABosh]

Melo has never missed the playoffs (and has played mostly in the much tougher West).

waits for a bunch of irrational LeBron hate to become irrational Knicks hate.
whats Melo's record in the playoffs?

[Bandito]

In before someone says its cause he played in the east.
tmac never passes the first round and he was in the east for a while...

[Odinn]

In his first 11 pro-seasons, Duncan didn't lose a 1st round series and also 4 for 4 in the NBA Finals.

I guess we didn't see a situation like LeBron's before and OP started this thread?

[Nash]

In his first 11 pro-seasons, Duncan didn't lose a 1st round series and also 4 for 4 in the NBA Finals.

I guess we didn't see a situation like LeBron's before and OP started this thread?
Difference here is that Ducan has always been in a strong team while Lebron has been in a team full of shite.

[AK47DR91]

Jordan never lost in the NBA Finals.

:yaohappy:

[Kblaze8855]

His age doesn't matter, he's 10x year vet in the league.

He'd led 2 teams to the Finals (2007 Cavs, 2012 Heat)

He co-led the 2011 Miami Heat
Nice that you think that. But nobody really gets "co led" credit off the top of my head. It always ends up being one guy. Lebron is it. he didnt do shit when they got there. But it was his team and will be remembered as such.

And how its laughable to play bad teams in the first round is beyond me. Everyone does know that you get to play bad teams by having a great record right? What....its more impressive to lose more to play a higher seed in the first round?


Great players tend to play poor teams in the first round because great players win enough games to not face high seeds early.

The people hating on Lebron do a lot to show how great he is. I mean...this guy is 27 and is already being compared to Wilt Chamberlain as a negative. When your haters are laughing because you "only" appear to be headed to a Wilt chamberlain like career it says a lot. And none of it bad.

[Odinn]

Difference here is that Ducan has always been in a strong team while Lebron has been in a team full of shite.
Put LeBron to the Spurs roster in 2001-04, and think about what you wrote.

[LakersReign]

Difference here is that Ducan has always been in a strong team while Lebron has been in a team full of shite.

Oh....so that's why all the FAKE Cavs fans were all taking championship during those 66 win seasons....then....huh?:rolleyes:

[mehyaM24]

Oh....so that's why all the FAKE Cavs fans were all taking championship during those 66 win seasons....then....huh?:rolleyes:

but no one expected lebron to make the finals..let alone win a championship with that supporting cast. why the revisionism, jerry?

[KOBE143]

LeBron has never won a chip without Wade..

Wade had already won a chip without LeBron..

Therefore LeBron rode Wade for half chip..

[TheMarkMadsen]

I wasn't aware Lebron played 1 on 12 for all of his first round playoffs.


Maybe Lebrons teams have never lost in the first round?

[Ne 1]

but no one expected lebron to make the finals..let alone win a championship with that supporting cast. why the revisionism, jerry?

http://i43.tinypic.com/v8elpi.jpg

[TheMarkMadsen]

http://i43.tinypic.com/v8elpi.jpg
:roll:

Ether, that stuff will make your heart burn slow.


Will people finally stop acting like those Cavs teams were under dogs? When the truth is that they were the overwhelming favorites 2 years in a row.

[Real Men Wear Green]

06-wizards:facepalm
07-wizards:facepalm
08-wizards:biggums:
09-pistons:roll: :roll: :roll:
10-bulls:hammerhead:
11-sixers :hammerhead: :hammerhead:
12-Knicks:oldlol:

Looool like that's something to proud of when facing those shitty teams
That's what happens when you are normally leading your team to a good record. James could lead any team to 50+ wins and a top-4 seed. That's a major positive, whether you realize it or not.

[LakersReign]

:roll:

Ether, that stuff will make your heart burn slow.


Will people finally stop acting like those Cavs teams were under dogs? When the truth is that they were the overwhelming favorites 2 years in a row.

The only people dumb enough to say stupid sh*t like that are the FAKE Cavs fans, who are now FAKE Heat fans, trying to make themselves feel better for jumping the bandwagon the minute Lebron left Cleveland:rolleyes:

[Ne 1]

And how its laughable to play bad teams in the first round is beyond me. Everyone does know that you get to play bad teams by having a great record right? What....its more impressive to lose more to play a higher seed in the first round?

Basically because since the early 00s the Eastern Conference has pretty much been regarded as the JV league of the NBA while the Western Conference as Varsity.

The 42, 41 and 43 win 2006-2008 Wizards teams wouldn't have even made the playoffs in the West back then. The 39 win 2009 Pistons and even the 47 win Hawks who they played in the second round both wouldn't have made the playoffs out West. The 2010 Bulls wouldn't have made the playoffs in the West either, they would have been the 10th seed in fact as would the 2011 Sixers. Last year was a lock out season so that has an asterisk in the NBA record books.

That dosen't take anything away from LeBron as a player obviously, but it is reality though.

[Kblaze8855]

As I asked....what does he do? Not lead every team for years to an elite record so he plays a good team in the first round?

[Kblaze8855]

Will people finally stop acting like those Cavs teams were under dogs? When the truth is that they were the overwhelming favorites 2 years in a row.

Winning a lot due to one players absurd impact on the outcome of games doesnt make a team talented.

And being favored due to the record does not mean you are supposed to win when as many as 5 of the 6 best players on the floor are on the other team.

Hall of fame players have missed the playoffs with teams more talented than Lebron led to 60 wins.

As a Bulls fan...I wouldnt trade Deng and Noah for the entire 2009 Cavs team Lebron aside. There was nothing special about that team aside from its best player.

[Ne 1]

As I asked....what does he do? Not lead every team for years to an elite record so he plays a good team in the first round?

Uh, that's not what I'm saying at all. Nice strawman though. What I'm saying and the point I think what most people are saying is that the fact that LeBron has never lost in the first round isn't any accomplishment, it isn't even it isn't even anything noteworthy.

[longtime lurker]

http://i43.tinypic.com/v8elpi.jpg

LMAO
/end thread

[Kblaze8855]

When the only way to be noteworthy is to play worse and lose more.....noteworthy isnt much of a goal.

Never losing in the first round is impressive no matter what...even if all it says is you dont lead teams to bad records.

[Ne 1]

Those Cavs team were actually great for playing to LeBron's strengths and playing style. They were probably missing maybe one more player from being a real title lock.

Also, if you still think the Cavs' success was solely because of LeBron, why couldn't he even make the playoffs without Mike Brown as coach?

2005: Cavs go 42-40, miss playoffs
2006: Cavs hire Mike Brown, go 50-32 and take Detroit to 7 games in the second round


Also, Cleveland managed to win 50 games and make the Finals in 2007 with LeBron posting inferior overall stats compared to his last season without Mike Brown coaching.

Lebron James in '05: 27.2 points per game, 47.2% field goal percentage, 75% free throw percentage, 35.1% three-point percentage, 7.4 rebounds, 7.2 assists and 2.2 steals per game.

Lebron James in '07: 27.3 points per game, 47.6% field goal percentage,. 69.8% free throw percentage, 31.9% 3-point percentage 6.7 rebounds per game, 6 assists per game, 1.6 steals per game.

For all the times I've heard people disparage Mike Brown, it's hard to ignore the turnaround Cleveland had when he took over. They went from missing the playoffs for consecutive seasons with LeBron, and then nearly making it to the Eastern Conference Finals the very next season with no major additions other than Larry Hughes who only played in 36 games.

Now I don't think the Cavs were a particularly loaded team by any stretch of the imagination, but the amount of abuse hurled towards Cleveland over the past year by LeBron supporters (who were all cheering for Cleveland when he played for them) has been ridiculous.

[Kblaze8855]

Mike Brown is the reason that the record they missed the playoffs with before him would have put them in the 5th seed the next season?

[longtime lurker]

When the only way to be noteworthy is to play worse and lose more.....noteworthy isnt much of a goal.

Never losing in the first round is impressive no matter what...even if all it says is you dont lead teams to bad records.

Not really it's all relative. Huge difference between routinely beating the Washington Wizards in the East as a 1 seed and facing a tougher matchups in the West as 3 or 4 seed. This thread just screams dickriding status because bringing up Lebron's finals still leaves him open to criticism. I hardly hear Tim Duncan fans talking about him never missing the playoffs as some kind of big deal.

[Mach_3]

06-wizards:facepalm
07-wizards:facepalm
08-wizards:biggums:
09-pistons:roll: :roll: :roll:
10-bulls:hammerhead:
11-sixers :hammerhead: :hammerhead:
12-Knicks:oldlol:

Looool like that's something to proud of when facing those shitty teams


This, it's impressive he's never lost in the first round but...he's played terrible/bad teams almost each time.

[RaininTwos]

smh@ these idiots

Ne1 conveniently forgets the fact that Lebron missed the playoffs his second year due to losing a tie-breaker to the New Jersey Nets.

[Kblaze8855]

Never losing inthe first round when you make the playoffs on a regular basis means one of two things....


You always have a good record so you beat the low seeds served up to you...or you lead middling teams that manage to beat other teams in the 3-6 range yearly.

Either way its impressive. Its more impressive to beat the 3-6 range teams but its a less impressive level of basketball that forces you to play them.

[Kblaze8855]

If yo dont find that greatness being the reason you play bad teams in the first place is relevant to the statement that beating them isnt impressive we just have different ideas about what a player should be setting out to do.

I'll leave it at that and go get lunch.

[Ne 1]

When the only way to be noteworthy is to play worse and lose more.....noteworthy isnt much of a goal.

Again, this is besides the point. Irrelevant conclusion.


Never losing in the first round is impressive no matter what

Not really, it's just arbitrary and cherry picking really. Nobody gets a medal for leading their team past the 1st round of the playoffs and definitely not when it's against JV league competition especially a player of LeBron's caliber it simply isn't noteworthy or even worth mentioning at all that he "didn't lead his team to a bad record". This is just moving the goalposts.

[tpols]

He's gone up against the worst playoff teams in 30 years in his first rounds. :hammerhead:

[BrickingStar]

He's gone up against the worst playoff teams in 30 years in his first rounds. :hammerhead:
Cavaliers without lebron are even worse

[RaininTwos]

He's gone up against the worst playoff teams in 30 years in his first rounds. :hammerhead:

:roll: might as go as far as you can with the bullshit

[Ne 1]

Cavaliers without lebron are even worse

If you take away a superstar, its not uncommon that his team will struggle. Without David Robinson, San Antonio was a lottery team in '97. Just because the Cavs struggled doesn't mean it was all because of LeBron. It's the team they built. They were basically a one man show on offense. Similar to the '01 Sixers with AI carrying the scoring load. Without LeBron there was nobody to run the offense. But that doesn't mean they were playing with a bunch of worthless bums, not capable of winning anything. Without Howard, Orlando would be quiet similar probably. A lot of wins in regular season is nice but its been done many times by even teams that were a one man show on offense.

[Bigsmoke]

Kobe stans are morons

[Money 23]

It always ends up being one guy. Lebron is it. he didnt do shit when they got there. But it was his team and will be remembered as such.
That doesn't mean they're correct. LeBron and Wade's play in 2011 was EXACTLY on the same level. So, they ... and yourself ... would be wrong in considering the 2011 Heat to be LeBron's team alone.

It's been conceited by the actual two lead dogs on that team that they kept trying to take turns dominating, and what helped this year was Wade's selfless ego taking a deliberate back seat for LeBron, to stroke his ego and allow him to be considered the team's best player.

For right or wrong, that's the truth. 2012 Heat are LeBron's team. It worked because there was an actual hierarchy, and not two alphas battling it out for whose team it was as they did in 2011.


The people hating on Lebron do a lot to show how great he is. I mean...this guy is 27
Once again, age has nothing to do with it. He's a 10x year NBA vet. A decade in the league. He's not a 27 year old, just 5 years deep in the NBA out of college.

Is he still young? Yes. But he has a lot of mileage, and a lot of experience. So giving his accomplishments an additional boost of claiming how young he is doesn't make sense.

There is a ying and yang to that argument. On one side you could say how great he is for being this young and accomplishing all he has, on the other you can say well the young man CHOSE to come out early, thus having a dramatic head start on his career.

Both statistically, and for experience purposes.

[ripthekik]

As I asked....what does he do? Not lead every team for years to an elite record so he plays a good team in the first round?
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

We're not saying he's lucky for being 1st seed and playing the 8th seed. We're saying he's lucky because the 8th seeds sucked so much and are very much below average, especially compared to the West and other years.

There's nothing else he can do.. ok then that's that. BUT trying to make it like it's special? Making it sound as if it's a huge achievement? Beating out the lower seeds in one of the worst conferences in years, beating teams that are few of the worst in playoff history.

:facepalm He did nothing except play in a weak league, that makes him special? Come on, kblaze. Your love for lebron is leaking out.

[ripthekik]

http://i43.tinypic.com/v8elpi.jpg
:applause: :applause: :applause:
this is gold

[Indian guy]

It's been conceited by the actual two lead dogs on that team that they kept trying to take turns dominating

Maybe the first 20-odd games of that season, but their chemistry was a non-issue the rest of the way. They both stopped worrying about each other and began playing their games. Miami was the league's #1 ranked offense the final 50-odd games of 2011, and dispatched each of their EC opponents with more ease than they did in 2012, despite facing significantly tougher competition in 2011. They failed to win the championship because LeBron forgot the season didn't end with the ECF, not because of supposed hierarchical issues between him and Wade. That stopped being a problem long ago. LeBron and Wade could've approached 2012 exactly how they did the prior year and would've still won the championship.

[stickfigure87]

but no one expected lebron to make the finals..let alone win a championship with that supporting cast. why the revisionism, jerry?

no one expected the cavs to make the finals? what were all those nike puppet commercials we were watching? espn had the cavs picked (and rightfully so) to make the finals.

revisionism, much?

[gabeh1018]

ok you say it's because he played in the east, but I think it's important to point out that no one else in the east has made it look so easy "getting out of the first round" in the east come playoff time

especially with his surrounding teammates

not giving him a pass on anything else, just pointing out an objective fact

[DirtySanchez]

This has got to be the dumbest pro LeBron thread ever.

Some of you kids have only been watching the NBA since what 2010????

Look at the strength if the Eastern Conference on the 2000's. only two good teams and one great team.
Good teams being Pistons and the Cavs and great being the Celtics. And that's it.

[LakersReign]

ok you say it's because he played in the east, but I think it's important to point out that no one else in the east has made it look so easy "getting out of the first round" in the east come playoff time

especially with his surrounding teammates

not giving him a pass on anything else, just pointing out an objective fact

(yawn):sleeping

http://i43.tinypic.com/v8elpi.jpg

[DirtySanchez]

ok you say it's because he played in the east, but I think it's important to point out that no one else in the east has made it look so easy "getting out of the first round" in the east come playoff time

especially with his surrounding teammates

not giving him a pass on anything else, just pointing out an objective fact

The next bullish.t comment that LeBron had no teammates in Cleveland. Get the f.ck out of here with that BS. No he didn't have any all star face of the franchise teammates he has now....but he did have good role players that built a team around his skills. Basketball is a team game and he had a good team built around him. Stop with that BS it just shows you don't know shit about ball.

[d.bball.guy]

:lebronamazed:

[DirtySanchez]

Dumb a$$ f.cking kids this LeBron generation is half way f.cking retardard!
They spew bullish.t on these boards and it just gets worst as time goes on.

[PJR]

The Bryant/Laker fanatics gravitate towards pro-LeBron threads and detract with the quickness, boy I tell ya. :oldlol:

Call it meaningless, arbitrary, whatever you want. Facts are facts. And LeBron's never lost in the first round while playing in the postseason. And that's all there is to it. No, It's not some big deal. It just it what it is. It's worth noting. No need to belittle it. Get a grip, everything will be okay. :oldlol:

[LakersReign]

The Bryant/Laker fanatics gravitate towards pro-LeBron threads and detract with the quickness, boy I tell ya. :oldlol:

Call it meaningless, arbitrary, whatever you want. Facts are facts. And LeBron's never lost in the first round while playing in the postseason. And that's all there is to it. No, It's not some big deal. It just it what it is. It's worth noting. No need to belittle it. Get a grip, everything will be okay. :oldlol:

Yeah cuz FAKE Heat fans like you(pjr) are the epitome of objectivity and rationality....right? Just gotta love it how he says "facts are facts." But when it comes to Kobe, he and all the other ret**ded FAKE Heat fans seem to CONVENIENTLY forget about that.:rolleyes:

[Legends66NBA7]

Bill Russell.

Can't recally anybody else right now.

Did anybody else answer the OP's question but me ?

Would have liked to know any other names out there, instead of arguing James's competition.

[Money 23]

They failed to win the championship because LeBron forgot the season didn't end with the ECF, not because of supposed hierarchical issues between him and Wade. That stopped being a problem long ago. LeBron and Wade could've approached 2012 exactly how they did the prior year and would've still won the championship.
That's why it was talked about all season and commented on by Wade that he took a DELIBERATE back seat to LeBron this year to let his game flourish as lead dog.

Riiiiight.

[ripthekik]

This has got to be the dumbest pro LeBron thread ever.

Some of you kids have only been watching the NBA since what 2010????

Look at the strength if the Eastern Conference on the 2000's. only two good teams and one great team.
Good teams being Pistons and the Cavs and great being the Celtics. And that's it.

The next bullish.t comment that LeBron had no teammates in Cleveland. Get the f.ck out of here with that BS. No he didn't have any all star face of the franchise teammates he has now....but he did have good role players that built a team around his skills. Basketball is a team game and he had a good team built around him. Stop with that BS it just shows you don't know shit about ball.

Dumb a$$ f.cking kids this LeBron generation is half way f.cking retardard!
They spew bullish.t on these boards and it just gets worst as time goes on.

first time I seen your posts, but I must say, great posts :applause:
I agree with everything you said.

[Indian guy]

and commented on by Wade that he took a DELIBERATE back seat to LeBron this year to let his game flourish as lead dog.

In 2011, LeBron led Miami in ppg, fga and posted a career-best in fg%. He led the league in PER. His game was "flourishing" just fine. Nobody needed to take a "backseat". More importantly, given Wade's injury issues last year, he wasn't capable of doing more than what he did anyway. And that made Miami's playoff run A LOT tougher than it would've been had Wade simply played like he did in 2011. Again, they were doing just fine in '11 with both him and LeBron being the alpha dogs. They would've won a championship with relative ease if not for LeBron's bizarre brain freeze.

[funnystuff]

http://i43.tinypic.com/v8elpi.jpg
10 people, out of millions said the Cavs were going to the finals. What a HUGE sample size that most definitely proves your point. :rolleyes:

[LakersReign]

10 people, out of millions said the Cavs were going to the finals. What a HUGE sample size that most definitely proves your point. :rolleyes:

Please:rolleyes:

But when those same 10 people said the Heat were going to win in 2012, they're SUDDENLY credible though....right? How convenient. GTFOH:roll:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

10 people, out of millions said the Cavs were going to the finals. What a HUGE sample size that most definitely proves your point. :rolleyes:

It's not so much going to the finals, but actually winning when they got there. Yeah, they had homecourt. Yeah, Lebron had a few uninspiring games; but we saw how Mo Williams, Jamison, and Delonte West played in the postseason. It was James and a bunch of amateurs. Cleveland couldn't afford to have Lebron play a single bad game (something guys like Pierce and Kobe didn't have to worry about w/ their respective teams).

[DJ Leon Smith]

In 2011, LeBron led Miami in ppg, fga and posted a career-best in fg%.

He was then out-scored in the NBA Finals by an opposition bench player.

Clearly, he is the greatest player of our generation. Remember when Michael Jordan was outscored by Danny Ainge in 1992? Then when Hakeem was outscored by Anthony Mason in 1995? And when Shaq was outscored by Derrick McKey in the 2000 NBA Finals?

LeBron is obviously the GOAT.

[MiamiThrice]

ITT: Butthurt Kobe fanboys that gravitate towards LeBron threads because their jealous Kobe wasn't good enough to get past the first round without Shaq/Gasol while LeBron carried similar scrubs deep in the playoffs every year.

[coin24]

ITT: Butthurt Kobe fanboys that gravitate towards LeBron threads because their jealous Kobe wasn't good enough to get past the first round without Shaq/Gasol while LeBron carried similar scrubs deep in the playoffs every year.

Where he proceeded to quit because it was all too hard for poor bronzey:cry:

Funny how 60+ win teams are considered scrubs now. Although anyone with half a brain knows the cavs win if Lebron doesn't choke/give up completely..

No one is disputing he had a great 2012 season, but that doesn't erase the worst finals performance possibly of all time in 2011:lol :lol

[MiamiThrice]

Where he proceeded to quit because it was all too hard for poor bronzey:cry:

Funny how 60+ win teams are considered scrubs now. Although anyone with half a brain knows the cavs win if Lebron doesn't choke/give up completely..

No one is disputing he had a great 2012 season, but that doesn't erase the worst finals performance possibly of all time in 2011:lol :lol

Those teams won 60 games because of LeBron James. Where was Cleveland the very next year? Oh yeah they went 19-61 and got the first pick overall.:oldlol:

Noone in the history of the NBA was able to carry scrubs as well as LeBron did in Cleveland.

Find me one other player that carried a 19 win roster to multiple 60 win seasons. Go ahead, I'll wait. And I'll keep waiting because you won't be able to name one ****ing guy.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Those teams won 60 games because of LeBron James. Where was Cleveland the very next year? Oh yeah they went 19-61 and got the first pick overall.:oldlol:

Noone in the history of the NBA was able to carry scrubs as well as LeBron did in Cleveland.

Find me one other player that carried a 19 win roster to multiple 60 win seasons. Go ahead, I'll wait. And I'll keep waiting because you won't be able to name one ****ing guy.


That Cavs team that won 19 games was missing its Head coach, its starting center, starting point guard & multiple role players.

You'd have to be a complete fool to think that the only reason they were so bad that year was because of lebron leaving :facepalm

[raptorfan_dr07]

Dumb a$$ f.cking kids this LeBron generation is half way f.cking retardard!
They spew bullish.t on these boards and it just gets worst as time goes on.

Pretty ironic coming from the dumb@$$ who said Kobe is top 5 all time. You're no better than they are saying retarded sh*t like that.

[coin24]

That Cavs team that won 19 games was missing its Head coach, its starting center, starting point guard & multiple role players.

You'd have to be a complete fool to think that the only reason they were so bad that year was because of lebron leaving :facepalm

This. And it's called tanking..
But in heat fans/Lebron stans minds, bronzey was the greatest and the team sucked, poor Lebron had to leave etc etc.. Even though the cavs would have beat the celtics if that chump didn't flat out quit...

[BuffaloBill]

Michael Jordan and Tim Duncan have never lost in the finals and have multiple FMVPs. I think that's a bit more impressive.

[coin24]

Michael Jordan and Tim Duncan have never lost in the finals and have multiple FMVPs. I think that's a bit more impressive.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[MiamiThrice]

Dwight Howard?

What years did Orlando win 60+ game regular season games?


That Cavs team that won 19 games was missing its Head coach, its starting center, starting point guard & multiple role players.

You'd have to be a complete fool to think that the only reason they were so bad that year was because of lebron leaving :facepalm

You think the reason Cleveland failed to get any games on national tv(except for when they played LeBron :oldlol: ) the following year was because "Mike Brown wasn't the coach anymore"?

LeBron WAS Cleveland. Once he left noone gave a **** about them whatsoever no matter who was on the roster and they were destined to irrelevancy.

[LakersReign]

LeBron WAS Cleveland. Once he left noone gave a **** about them whatsoever no matter who was on the roster and they were destined to irrelevancy.

Confessions of a pathetic FAKE Cavs fan, now turned FAKE Heat fan. Then they wonder why reasonable NBA fans don't take them nor anything they say seriously:facepalm

[TheMarkMadsen]

What years did Orlando win 60+ game regular season games?



You think the reason Cleveland failed to get any games on national tv(except for when they played LeBron :oldlol: ) the following year was because "Mike Brown wasn't the coach anymore"?

LeBron WAS Cleveland. Once he left noone gave a **** about them whatsoever no matter who was on the roster and they were destined to irrelevancy.

oh i wasn't aware that we were discussing the reason the cavs weren't televised the following year? :biggums:

I thought it was over why the cavs went 19-61 the following season...

which was not because they lost their best player, but they lost their head coach, their starting center, point guard, sixth man, & multiple role players, the cavs that went 19-61 were a compeltly different team than they year before.

[MiamiThrice]

oh i wasn't aware that we were discussing the reason the cavs weren't televised the following year? :biggums:

I thought it was over why the cavs went 19-61 the following season...

which was not because they lost their best player, but they lost their head coach, their starting center, point guard, sixth man, & multiple role players, the cavs that went 19-61 were a compeltly different team than they year before.

LeBron was the only worthwhile player on that team. Mo Williams? 40 year old Shaq? These are role players. That entire team was full of mediocre role players.

They were a completely different team because of LeBron. The Cavs went from an elite defense to one of the worst in the league. Now tell me, what dominant defenders did they lose other than LeBron? He anchored a defense from the perimeter, just like he does now on Miami.

Once LeBron left the Cavs joined the the Bobcats/Wizards/etc. category. They have some promise now with Irving who could become a good player, but LeBron was all the Cavs had. He made that team.

I'm still waiting for someone to find a player that carried a cast as bad as Clevelands to multiple 60+ win seasons. And I'll remain waiting because noone will be able to produce a name.

[Young X]

I'm still waiting for someone to find a player that carried a cast as bad as Clevelands to multiple 60+ win seasons. And I'll remain waiting because noone will be able to produce a name.
Dwight Howard.

[KyrieTheFuture]

So many idiots. LeBron carried scrubs to through the playoffs for MOST of his career but anyone acting like he didn't quit in 2010 is flat out wrong. We would have won that series handily if he had the same determination against the Celtics as he did this year.

[TheMarkMadsen]

LeBron was the only worthwhile player on that team. Mo Williams? 40 year old Shaq? These are role players. That entire team was full of mediocre role players.

They were a completely different team because of LeBron. The Cavs went from an elite defense to one of the worst in the league. Now tell me, what dominant defenders did they lose other than LeBron? He anchored a defense from the perimeter, just like he does now on Miami.

Once LeBron left the Cavs joined the the Bobcats/Wizards/etc. category. They have some promise now with Irving who could become a good player, but LeBron was all the Cavs had. He made that team.

I'm still waiting for someone to find a player that carried a cast as bad as Clevelands to multiple 60+ win seasons. And I'll remain waiting because noone will be able to produce a name.


Are you serious?

Big Z, Antwan Jamison, Shaq, Delonte West, Mo Williams, Varejao, j.j. hickson. that team was built PERFECTLY around Lebron, surrounded him with a supporting cast that complimented Lebrons game perfectly.

You don't win 60 games b2b seasons because of one great player. It just doesn't happen. Lebron wasn't playing with a bunch of scrubs.

[MiamiThrice]

Are you serious?

Big Z, Antwan Jamison, Shaq, Delonte West, Mo Williams, Varejao, j.j. hickson. that team was built PERFECTLY around Lebron, surrounded him with a supporting cast that complimented Lebrons game perfectly.

You don't win 60 games b2b seasons because of one great player. It just doesn't happen. Lebron wasn't playing with a bunch of scrubs.

Yeah and how far does that team get without LeBron?

Oh that's right 19 wins. This is a fact and we saw it as evidenced by the 2011 Cleveland Cavaliers season. Without LeBron noone wants to play there and waste their time. Its the LeBron factor, everyone wants to play with him and part of why having him as a franchise player is such a priveledge.

All of those players/management? They knew without LeBron that team wasn't doing shit so they all bolted and jumped ship. LeBron was the Cleveland Cavaliers from 2003 to 2010.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Yeah and how far does that team get without LeBron?

Oh that's right 19 wins. This is a fact and we saw it as evidenced by the 2011 Cleveland Cavaliers season. Without LeBron noone wants to play there and waste their time. Its the LeBron factor, everyone wants to play with him and part of why having him as a franchise player is such a priveledge.

All of those players/management? They knew without LeBron that team wasn't doing shit so they all bolted and jumped ship. LeBron was the Cleveland Cavaliers from 2003 to 2010.


the team that won 19 games was a completly different team than the year before. With a new coach.

How stupid do you have to be not to see that?

[MiamiThrice]

the team that won 19 games was a completly different team than the year before. With a new coach.

How stupid do you have to be not to see that?

The entire reason the team won 19 games was because LeBron left via the decision, you ****ing moron.

If LeBron stays the Cavs, they keep their place among the top of the Eastern Conference. This is fact.

Are you unable to comprehend this information?

[tmacattack33]

the team that won 19 games was a completly different team than the year before. With a new coach.

How stupid do you have to be not to see that?

Before the Mo Williams trade and Varjeo injury, they were pretty much the same exact team.


And before the Varejao injury, they were 8-24 (.250, which paces to 20 wins over 82 games).

Before the Mo Williams trade, they 8-31 (.200, which paces to 16 wins over an 82 game period).

:applause:

[MiamiThrice]

Before the Mo Williams trade and Varjeo injury, they were pretty much the same exact team.


And before the Varejao injury, they were 8-24 (.250, which paces to 20 wins over 82 games).

Before the Mo Williams trade, they 8-31 (.200, which paces to 16 wins over an 82 game period).

:applause:

Good stats :applause: I was not aware of those figures.

[mentallooser]

Michael Jordan and Tim Duncan have never lost in the finals and have multiple FMVPs. I think that's a bit more impressive.
That wasn't the question. Why does the question bother people so much? Because of the agenda involved? If you feel that strongly about defending some millionaire you will never know, then give up on life. You lost.

[BuffaloBill]

That wasn't the question. Why does the question bother people so much? Because of the agenda involved? If you feel that strongly about defending some millionaire you will never know, then give up on life. You lost.


There was no question in the OP. I simply added my own input.


The rest of your post is nonsense. Who exactly am I defending? :lol

[Bandito]

Before the Mo Williams trade and Varjeo injury, they were pretty much the same exact team.


And before the Varejao injury, they were 8-24 (.250, which paces to 20 wins over 82 games).

Before the Mo Williams trade, they 8-31 (.200, which paces to 16 wins over an 82 game period).

:applause:
same team last time I checked big z, shaq, west and varejao was out either injured or by trades or free agency. heck they were starting eyenga for games that season. Did lebron made that team, yes he did but that team were not scrubs at all. that team was made for lebron and the reason they didn't win more was because they didn't have more or good spot shooters a l

[Ne 1]

Cleveland's turn for the worse was a result of losing most of their front court with no legitimate replacements and the loss of their best asset and coach. They also had one of the biggest front courts in 2010 last and in 2011 they were undersized at practically every position. I'm sorry, but 6'3'' Sessions and Antawn Jamison hardly make up for the giant hole in the middle that Cleveland had. Let's not forget they were hardly the same team after LeBron left with starting line ups during the year of Alonzo Gee/JJ Hickson/Anthony Parker/Ramon Sessions/Samardo Samuels and Christian Eyenga/JJ Hickson/Anthony Parker/Antawn Jamison/Manny Harris

Now I don't think the Cavs were guaranteed to win it all in '09 or even '10 and they didn't have the best supporting cast in the league, either. I won't deny these things, but how anyone can say that they had no shot at winning the championship is beyond me. They had the best record in the league, swept the eventual champions in their regular season series and were heavily favored to beat Boston in the second round with home court advantage. How does a team like that have no shot whatsoever at winning it all?

[Legends66NBA7]

There was no question in the OP. I simply added my own input.


Lebron's been in the playoffs 7 times and has advanced past Round 1 every single time.

This does not mean too much, as he has missed the playoffs before, and missing the playoffs is not better than making the playoffs and losing in the first round. But hey, it is interesting to me and we still have 25 days until opening day.




So, name me another franchise player who has never lost in the first round of the playoffs (and has been there at least 7 times).

Pretty sure the bold is a question, Alamo.

[BuffaloBill]

Pretty sure the bold is a question, Alamo.


Pretty sure that's not a question. Lol

[tmacattack33]

[QUOTE=Bandito]same team last time I checked big z, shaq, west and varejao was out either injured or by trades or free agency. heck they were starting eyenga for games that season. Did lebron made that team, yes he did but that team were not scrubs at all. that team was made for lebron and the reason they didn't win more was because they didn't have more or good spot shooters a l

[Bigsmoke]

No one is disputing he had a great 2012 season, but that doesn't erase the worst finals performance possibly of all time in 2011:lol :lol

like Kobe didn't play like this in the Finals in 2004?

[Bigsmoke]

[QUOTE=Bandito]same team last time I checked big z, shaq, west and varejao was out either injured or by trades or free agency. heck they were starting eyenga for games that season. Did lebron made that team, yes he did but that team were not scrubs at all. that team was made for lebron and the reason they didn't win more was because they didn't have more or good spot shooters a l

[Bigsmoke]

Cleveland's turn for the worse was a result of losing most of their front court with no legitimate replacements and the loss of their best asset and coach. They also had one of the biggest front courts in 2010 last and in 2011 they were undersized at practically every position. I'm sorry, but 6'3'' Sessions and Antawn Jamison hardly make up for the giant hole in the middle that Cleveland had. Let's not forget they were hardly the same team after LeBron left with starting line ups during the year of Alonzo Gee/JJ Hickson/Anthony Parker/Ramon Sessions/Samardo Samuels and Christian Eyenga/JJ Hickson/Anthony Parker/Antawn Jamison/Manny Harris

Now I don't think the Cavs were guaranteed to win it all in '09 or even '10 and they didn't have the best supporting cast in the league, either. I won't deny these things, but how anyone can say that they had no shot at winning the championship is beyond me. They had the best record in the league, swept the eventual champions in their regular season series and were heavily favored to beat Boston in the second round with home court advantage. How does a team like that have no shot whatsoever at winning it all?

Shaq's 23 minutes a night in like 50 games was missed for the Cavs. :rolleyes:

The Cavs were actually better without Shaq because Shaq was mad lazy on defense.

[Bigsmoke]

http://i43.tinypic.com/v8elpi.jpg

might as well post the one for the 2012 Finals

[Ne 1]

like Kobe didn't play like this in the Finals in 2004?

LeBron's performance in 2011 was the worst Finals performance out of any star I've ever seen. As bad as Kobe was in the '04 Finals, which was nearly as bad as LeBron in '07, LeBron's '11 Finals performance was even more pathetic.

That doesn't even take into account that Kobe single-handedly won a game and LeBron wasn't dealing with a rape accusation, a screwed up family, a feuding team mate, injured 3rd best player, team with horrible chemistry, starting PG who criticized the triangle l offense and said he didn't buy into it. and of course one of the all-time great defensive teams ever, if not the greatest.

[Bandito]

Cleveland's turn for the worse was a result of losing most of their front court with no legitimate replacements and the loss of their best asset and coach. They also had one of the biggest front courts in 2010 last and in 2011 they were undersized at practically every position. I'm sorry, but 6'3'' Sessions and Antawn Jamison hardly make up for the giant hole in the middle that Cleveland had. Let's not forget they were hardly the same team after LeBron left with starting line ups during the year of Alonzo Gee/JJ Hickson/Anthony Parker/Ramon Sessions/Samardo Samuels and Christian Eyenga/JJ Hickson/Anthony Parker/Antawn Jamison/Manny Harris

Now I don't think the Cavs were guaranteed to win it all in '09 or even '10 and they didn't have the best supporting cast in the league, either. I won't deny these things, but how anyone can say that they had no shot at winning the championship is beyond me. They had the best record in the league, swept the eventual champions in their regular season series and were heavily favored to beat Boston in the second round with home court advantage. How does a team like that have no shot whatsoever at winning it all?
:applause:

Finally a sensical fan that is not a kobetard or a lebron Stan. That is pretty much what happened. I don't follow this team because they weren't on national tv except when they played the heat. But you could see that most of the players that played last years weren't there.

[Legends66NBA7]

Pretty sure that's not a question. Lol

Oh okay, no question mark :oldlol:

The intent was there.

[kNicKz]

http://i43.tinypic.com/v8elpi.jpg

http://thewadebloggs.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/ether_black_large.jpg

[Bandito]

Even ifnlebron was the main reason they won 60 games he's the main reason why they lost against the Celtics in that pathetic conference finals because he gave up, trying to use a Phantom shoulder injury excuse. he was trying to do the same in 2011 but the heat denied that he was injured. As talented and athletic as he is he is weak in the head, he doesnt have heart as some people say.

In 2012 though he showed a lot of heart though, specially when he had those cramps because you could see he was playing with a mission becoming the point guard in that team. I give him his dues but I am not a stan like you guys tmacattack and just say he's the goat just because. Those two years were critical for him and he blew it.

[red1]

Even ifnlebron was the main reason they won 60 games he's the main reason why they lost against the Celtics in that pathetic conference finals because he gave up, trying to use a Phantom shoulder injury excuse. he was trying to do the same in 2011 but the heat denied that he was injured. As talented and athletic as he is he is weak in the head, he doesnt have heart as some people say.

In 2012 though he showed a lot of heart though, specially when he had those cramps because you could see he was playing with a mission becoming the point guard in that team. I give him his dues but I am not a stan like you guys tmacattack and just say he's the goat just because. Those two years were critical for him and he blew it.
he did choke during the 2011 finals but I don't remember him faking a shoulder injury like you say

[Bigsmoke]

LeBron's performance in 2011 was the worst Finals performance out of any star I've ever seen. As bad as Kobe was in the '04 Finals, which was nearly as bad as LeBron in '07, LeBron's '11 Finals performance was even more pathetic.

That doesn't even take into account that Kobe single-handedly won a game and LeBron wasn't dealing with a rape accusation, a screwed up family, a feuding team mate, injured 3rd best player, team with horrible chemistry, starting PG who criticized the triangle l offense and said he didn't buy into it. and of course one of the all-time great defensive teams ever, if not the greatest.

LeBron wasnt the one who kept the Heat in it in game 1? :rolleyes:

Kobe was the issue why the Lakers didn't win in 2004. he sucked... worrying about who sucked more between Kobe in 2004 or LeBron in 2011 should be irrelevant but very hypocritical to nag about.

i dont even know why i'm responding to you. Kobe's **** is too far down your throat.

[Bandito]

he did choke during the 2011 finals but I don't remember him faking a shoulder injury like you say
of he did it was all over ESPN at the time, either that or elbow I keep forgetting. Supposedly he was playing with an injury and the heat in 2011 have to tell the news people that lebron didn't have an injury. didn't could try and find some proof about it if you don't believe me but I really don't want to look for any because I really don't care if you believe me or not as I don't really care enough about NBA players to lie about stupid crap like that. But even if I ws laying about that the fact is lebron choked in 2010 and that is a fact.

[Bandito]

LeBron wasnt the one who kept the Heat in it in game 1? :rolleyes:

Kobe was the issue why the Lakers didn't win in 2004. he sucked... worrying about who sucked more between Kobe in 2004 or LeBron in 2011 should be irrelevant but very hypocritical to nag about.

i dont even know why i'm responding to you. Kobe's **** is too far down your throat.
you can't even compare Kobe 04 to lebron 11. Kobe didn't choke he just had a bad series. You can compare lebron 07 to Kobe 04 for example which would be a more fair comparison.

Also you can't say nothing about his homerism when you are at best at bigger homer as him, but different balls though:facepalm

[Ne 1]

Kobe was the issue why the Lakers didn't win in 2004.

Yeah, it was all Kobe's fault. The rest of the team outside Shaq of shooting 33%, Malone injured, Shaq's lazy play defensively and on the boards, and Payton's atrocious play had nothing to do with it. It's all Kobe's fault. That's why the biggest blow-out loss came in the game where he only had 13 shots, right? lmao.

What a moron.

I don't even know why I'm responding to you, a well known LeBron semen guzzler.

[LakersReign]

LeBron wasnt the one who kept the Heat in it in game 1? :rolleyes:

Kobe was the issue why the Lakers didn't win in 2004. he sucked... worrying about who sucked more between Kobe in 2004 or LeBron in 2011 should be irrelevant but very hypocritical to nag about.

i dont even know why i'm responding to you. Kobe's **** is too far down your throat.

Love it how morons like you always want to try to diss Kobe to try to make Lebron look good. You seemed to have conveniently left out the part where the Lakers lost Malone during the playoffs. And say whatever you want about Kobe, he didn't just quit like Lebron did in '11, nor did he get embarrassed by a role player the way Terry did Lebron. Stop reaching:rolleyes:

[tmacattack33]

Wow. I didn't expect so many replies. This one of the most telling threads i've seen here.

As I said in the OP, this stat doesn't mean much because it's not better to miss the playoffs entirely than it is to miss the playoffs and lose.

This thread was a test to see how many people wouldcontradict themselves. I'm sure many haters in this thread like to go around talking about Lebron being 1-3 in the Finals (and that was actually brought up in this thread too), as if that was worse than him being 1-1. It clearly is not, as getting to the Finals and losing is better than not getting their at all.





So i think it goes without saying that you all failed the test.

:applause:

[ripthekik]

Wow. I didn't expect so many replies. This one of the most telling threads i've seen here.

As I said in the OP, this stat doesn't mean much because it's not better to miss the playoffs entirely than it is to miss the playoffs and lose.

This thread was a test to see how many people wouldcontradict themselves. I'm sure many haters in this thread like to go around talking about Lebron being 1-3 in the Finals (and that was actually brought up in this thread too), as if that was worse than him being 1-1. It clearly is not, as getting to the Finals and losing is better than not getting their at all.





So i think it goes without saying that you all failed the test.

:applause:
Not really.
If you're good enough that you can get to the finals.. but you lose at the finals at a far higher rate than winning.. say 1/5. Doesn't that tell you something about their character?

I mean getting to the finals and winning say 2 out of 4. That's alright. But getting to the finals and losing most of the times? That just tells us that you are weak and can't handle pressure when it matters the most.

Lebron will soon be 1/4 in the finals.

[plowking]

Not really.
If you're good enough that you can get to the finals.. but you lose at the finals at a far higher rate than winning.. say 1/5. Doesn't that tell you something about their character?

I mean getting to the finals and winning say 2 out of 4. That's alright. But getting to the finals and losing most of the times? That just tells us that you are weak and can't handle pressure when it matters the most.

Lebron will soon be 1/4 in the finals.

Why was Jerry West considered one of the most clutch performers of his time then?
Its funny, since when there was a West vs Wade comparison thread, West's superior clutch play was bought up, despite Wade being the better big game performer going by your analysis. Its only fair when it works both ways for your argument, right?

[plowking]

of he did it was all over ESPN at the time, either that or elbow I keep forgetting. Supposedly he was playing with an injury and the heat in 2011 have to tell the news people that lebron didn't have an injury. didn't could try and find some proof about it if you don't believe me but I really don't want to look for any because I really don't care if you believe me or not as I don't really care enough about NBA players to lie about stupid crap like that. But even if I ws laying about that the fact is lebron choked in 2010 and that is a fact.

:oldlol:

You don't care, yet you are in literally every Lebron thread bagging him, and in every Kobe thread protecting him.

Sad, sad kid.

[The Iron Fist]

This has got to be the dumbest pro LeBron thread ever.

Some of you kids have only been watching the NBA since what 2010????

Look at the strength if the Eastern Conference on the 2000's. only two good teams and one great team.
Good teams being Pistons and the Cavs and great being the Celtics. And that's it.
let's not forget when people wanted the playoff format to be restructured to only include the 16 best teams throughout the league rather than the 8 best from each conference. that's how bad the east was.

[KingBeasley08]

cool stat

[tmacattack33]

Not really.
If you're good enough that you can get to the finals.. but you lose at the finals at a far higher rate than winning.. say 1/5. Doesn't that tell you something about their character?

I mean getting to the finals and winning say 2 out of 4. That's alright. But getting to the finals and losing most of the times? That just tells us that you are weak and can't handle pressure when it matters the most.

Lebron will soon be 1/4 in the finals.

Well you'd have to use context, which is another thing this thread exposed...

...the same people trying to insert "Yeah, but the 7-0 is meaningless because the East sucked" don't use any context when trying to berate Lebron for having a 1-3 Finals record.


I love this thread. I threw a little stat out there (and even said it doesn't mean so much), and within a few days so many Lebron haters got butthurt and ended up contradicting themselves.

[Legends66NBA7]

This thread was a test to see how many people wouldcontradict themselves. I'm sure many haters in this thread like to go around talking about Lebron being 1-3 in the Finals (and that was actually brought up in this thread too), as if that was worse than him being 1-1. It clearly is not, as getting to the Finals and losing is better than not getting their at all.

So losing is still losing ? Okay. At least he got far and lost than lost early ? Sure...


So i think it goes without saying that you all failed the test.

Wrong, I answered your question in the OP if not the only person to answer it, moron. Don't group me with these other posters.

So, I think it goes without saying your ****ing pathetic, so your no different from the rest of these posters, just on the other side of things.

[crisoner]

Again....

LeBron has played in the weaker conference his entire career.
There is nothing special with him NOT losing in the first round. The East has had plenty of teams with losing records make the playoffs in the last ten years.
So suggesting that never losing in the first round is some sort of big accomplishment is BS.

You want to argue that? Anybody???

[Mr Exlax]

Again....

LeBron has played in the weaker conference his entire career.
There is nothing special with him NOT losing in the first round. The East has had plenty of teams with losing records make the playoffs in the last ten years.
So suggesting that never losing in the first round is some sort of big accomplishment is BS.

You want to argue that? Anybody???

The OP said it wasn't a big deal. I don't think he's trying to say it's good or bad. He simply stated a fact. He made this thread basically just to troll.

[Bigsmoke]

Melo has never missed the playoffs (and has played mostly in the much tougher West).

waits for a bunch of irrational LeBron hate to become irrational Knicks hate.

Even after reading the white text, your post is really stupid because Melo has more problems in the East than he did in the west

[Kobe 4 The Win]

Lebron's been in the playoffs 7 times and has advanced past Round 1 every single time.

This does not mean too much, as he has missed the playoffs before, and missing the playoffs is not better than making the playoffs and losing in the first round. But hey, it is interesting to me and we still have 25 days until opening day.




So, name me another franchise player who has never lost in the first round of the playoffs (and has been there at least 7 times).

I agree