NBA vs. Euroleague 2012

[Grinder]

Since Euroleague felt the need to keep this whole discussion factual, let's keep track fo the Euroleague vs. NBA games in 2012. I also listed the leading minutes played for each team.

[B]Fenerbah

[DStebb716]

the way you have it listed, it makes it look like the euroleague teams won every game...

It was definitely different last time I looked at it. You definitely had it formatted with the higher score first everytime. Man, was I THAT tired? I double checked it like ten times to make sure I was reading it right. Guess I was that tired..

[Grinder]

the way you have it listed, it makes it look like the euroleague teams won every game...

How so?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

the way you have it listed, it makes it look like the euroleague teams won every game...

Are you retarded?

[sundizz]

Are you retarded?

Lol. Yeah it is confusing. Normal way is you put the high score first.

For example, 109-75

[KG215]

[QUOTE=Grinder]Since Euroleague felt the need to keep this whole discussion factual, let's keep track fo the Euroleague vs. NBA games in 2012. I also listed the leading minutes played for each team.

Fenerbah

[fsvr54]

Meh..I'm sure this is the worst team Montepaschi Siena, Real Madrid, and Alba Berlin have had in years. They were also probably only playing at about 60% of their normal intensity level and if it wasn't for playing under NBA rules with rigged officiating, all three would've won.

:facepalm

NBA > Euroleague

[BankShot]

Lol. Yeah it is confusing. Normal way is you put the high score first.

For example, 109-75

The OP could also just bold the winning team.

[iDunkOreo]

The OP could also just bold the winning team.
Or you could just read it. Lazy asses these days. :rolleyes:

[Fiba basketball]

Meh..I'm sure this is the worst team Montepaschi Siena, Real Madrid, and Alba Berlin have had in years. They were also probably only playing at about 60% of their normal intensity level and if it wasn't for playing under NBA rules with rigged officiating, all three would've won.
This is worst Sienas team in last couple of years but this is probably Reals best team in last years . As for Alba they don't deserve to be in Euroleague based on their results and probably won't make top 16 .

[Nero Tulip]

Yeah Berlin being so close is probably the most suprising result but with the Mavs turning the ball over so much and missing layups anything can happen.

Would've loved to see Madrid-Memphis, was it any good?

[sipitri]

Nikola Mirotic (14) - 29 mins; Rudy Guy (27) - 37 mins

No homo

[swi7ch]

Gotta give it to BOS for not being able to beat a Euroleague team! :applause: And ppl are saying they are a contender this year? :oldlol:

[Nick Young]

Celtics are a disgrace, should be kicked out of the NBA and sent to play in Euroleague. Seriously, that shits disgraceful

[Nero Tulip]

Celtics are a disgrace, should be kicked out of the NBA and sent to play in Euroleague. Seriously, that shits disgraceful

So the Lakers should be kicked out too, right?

[Money 23]

Pretty sure the Euro squads take this game more seriously than the NBA teams do.

[gabepizza]

Armani Milano 75 Boston Celtics 105 (Milan)
Rondo (17) 24 minutes Bourousis (15) 23 minutes

4-1 NBA

Looks like the NBA is pulling away, as expected.

[gabepizza]

I think Boston redeemed themselves for losing their 1st game by putting a 30 point beating on the next Euroleague team they played.

[Pushxx]

Gotta give it to BOS for not being able to beat a Euroleague team! :applause: And ppl are saying they are a contender this year? :oldlol:

This is sarcasm, right?

[Euroleague]

Meh..I'm sure this is the worst team Montepaschi Siena, Real Madrid, and Alba Berlin have had in years. They were also probably only playing at about 60% of their normal intensity level and if it wasn't for playing under NBA rules with rigged officiating, all three would've won.

Wow, you really made yourself look like a gigantic ****ing idiot with that post....

You need to look up the definition of sarcasm.

It's probably the worst team in the whole history of Montepaschi, as in the actual "Montepaschi" team that has existed since the year 2000.

[Euroleague]

[QUOTE=Grinder]Since Euroleague felt the need to keep this whole discussion factual, let's keep track fo the Euroleague vs. NBA games in 2012. I also listed the leading minutes played for each team.

Fenerbah

[Euroleague]

Yeah Berlin being so close is probably the most suprising result but with the Mavs turning the ball over so much and missing layups anything can happen.

Would've loved to see Madrid-Memphis, was it any good?

The games are no surprise at all. It's exactly how you would expect except for that one.

Real at Memphis - Euroleague teams won't win at USA, because the rules are all NBA and the NBA refs won't let them win.

Montepaschi - would not even matter. It's a very mediocre Euroleague team at best, probably 3rd best Italian League team. I don't think they would beat good NBA teams playing at home.

Celtics at Fener - predictable to me, since Fener is just a better team and playing with mixed rules also.

Celtics at Milano - predictable. The only real top flight player Milano has is Bourousis and their coach Scariolo (Spanish NT coach) is flat out a HORRIBLE coach.

I honestly would not expect them to win against the Celtics, with just one top level Euroleague player and such an awful, awful coach as Scariolo.

However, the ALBA game is odd to say the least. Dallas should beat them by 20 even playing with the mixed rules. Alba isn't a good team at all.

If Dallas plays that way against Barca, even though it's the worst Barca team in probably many, many years (and honestly, they are not very good anymore).........

still, Barca is like Euroleague's version of the Celtics, a team that used to be great, then got old and injury prone and is a couple years past their heyday.

So it's an interesting match. But, if Dallas plays like they did against Alba, then that game against Barca will get ugly.

They play that way against even the old washed up Barca has beens and they are gonna be run the **** out of that building.

[Euroleague]

Pretty sure the Euro squads take this game more seriously than the NBA teams do.

No. The Celtics were going 100% max in the game against Milano, while Milano barely even tried. I don't think it would matter though, Milano would not beat them anyway IMO.

Their coach is so pathetic.

But, the NBA team was trying way harder in that game than the Euroleague team was.

[Euroleague]

Armani Milano 75 Boston Celtics 105 (Milan)
Rondo (17) 24 minutes Bourousis (15) 23 minutes

4-1 NBA

Looks like the NBA is pulling away, as expected.

You are such a funny guy. Isn't that the same Bourousis that you claimed isn't even as good as Diogu (who failed on 3 different Euroleague tryouts this summer)?

Isn't Bourousis the same guy that you said, "is no better than the average player from the Angolan, Belgian, or Portuguese leagues"?

The same Bourousis that you said, "no way is he good enough to play in the NBA".

:lol :oldlol: :roll: :rolleyes:

Dude completely annihilated KG in the times they were playing each other.

:roll:

And I hope the Mavs don't play against Barca like they did against Alba, because if they do, they are going to get crushed and humiliated. This may be the weakest Barca of recent memory, just due to they are old now, and their leader Navarro does not even play anymore. But still, that's still a much much better team than Alba is.

Cuban is going to have a heart attack during that game if the Mavs don't play better, because that would be a serious ass whooping that the NBA is gonna get if the Mavs think they can just coast into a game against Barca.

[SyRyanYang]

Euroleague versus rest of the ISH
Round: !@$%%^^&
Here we go again:applause:

[Euroleague]

I think Boston redeemed themselves for losing their 1st game by putting a 30 point beating on the next Euroleague team they played.

How so?

You have been telling this whole forum for months now that Bourousis "isn't even as good as Ike Diogu" and that "he's at the same level as the average French League, Belgian League, Angolan League, Puerto Rican League player"...........

So I fail to see how they "redeemed themselves", when their arguably best player, Kevin Garnett, got totally dominated individually head to head by a guy that is, according to you, "no better than the average player from the Angolan or Nigerian leagues".........

So then, using your logic and your own claims in this forum, the arguably best player on the Celtics got dominated by a guy that is only at the level of "an average Portuguese League player".


Yeah, redemption indeed. Evidently, Garnet really thought he was playing against one of those, "white stiff Euros", that he always like to trash talk about. The same ones he actually never plays against.

KG was stupid enough to say something to Bourousis in the first quarter, then got his ass handed to him.........

"he redeemed himself".

:roll:

[CavaliersFTW]

No. The Celtics were going 100% max in the game against Milano, while Milano barely even tried. I don't think it would matter though, Milano would not ebat them anyway IMO.

Their coach is so pathetic.

But, the NBA team was trying way harder in that game than the Euroleague team was.
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/stephen-a-smith-laugh.gif

[TheMarkMadsen]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/stephen-a-smith-laugh.gif


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Quizno]

would you guys say euroleague basketball quality is similar to division 3 college ball or top tier high school ball? i'm leaning toward division 3 but there are some really good high school teams out there

[Euroleague]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/stephen-a-smith-laugh.gif

You really need to stop posting a gif of one of the most hated racists in the world laughing like the total disgusting jack ass that he is.

Unless of course, you want everyone to know you are also a racist and a jack ass too, and that you are also proud of it, like Screamin' A.sshole Smith is.

[CavaliersFTW]

would you guys say euroleague basketball quality is similar to division 3 college ball or top tier high school ball? i'm leaning toward division 3 but there are some really good high school teams out there
I'm being dead serious when I say that for a fact: The McDonald's All-American basketball squad of High School talent would destroy any one of Euroleague's top teams in a 7 game series... like, it wouldn't even be close.

http://www.insidethegames.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/favors.jpg

vs

http://answers.bettor.com/images/Articles/thumbs/extralarge/Euroleague-is-the-new-flavour-of-basketball-for-the-action-starved-fans-105217.jpg

[IGOTGAME]

I hope you guys are joking with the Euroleague bashing. Top few Euroleague teams are usually NBA playoff first round caliber.

[SourPatchKids]

I spy blue spandex shorts.

[gabepizza]

How so?

You have been telling this whole forum for months now that Bourousis "isn't even as good as Ike Diogu" and that "he's at the same level as the average French League, Belgian League, Angolan League, Puerto Rican League player"...........

So I fail to see how they "redeemed themselves", when their arguably best player, Kevin Garnett, got totally dominated individually head to head by a guy that is, according to you, "no better than the average player from the Angolan or Nigerian leagues".........

So then, using your logic and your own claims in this forum, the arguably best player on the Celtics got dominated by a guy that is only at the level of "an average Portuguese League player".


Yeah, redemption indeed. Evidently, Garnet really thought he was playing against one of those, "white stiff Euros", that he always like to trash talk about. The same ones he actually never plays against.

KG was stupid enough to say something to Bourousis in the first quarter, then got his ass handed to him.........

"he redeemed himself".

:roll:


Ass handed to him? He played 12 minutes. I would think the player on the team that lost by 30 points as getting his ass handed to him.

And the Celtics cared more about the game then Emporio Armani Milano? Is that why Garnett only played 12 minutes and another 2 Celtic starters played less then 20? While Milan had 4 starters playing over 20 minutes including three starters who played over 30 minutes while not one Celtic even played 25 minutes? Yet the Celtics cared more about winning the game that Milan. Man you continue to make a fool out of yourself with your lies.

[Quizno]

i heard anthony parker was back to back euroleague MVP :eek: :eek: :eek:

[SourPatchKids]

I have a sudden craving for a Quiznos classic Italian.

[swi7ch]

Pretty sure the Euro squads take this game more seriously than the NBA teams do.

Yeah but shouldn't the NBA beat these teams easily because they are supposedly the better league with the better teams and better players?

[Rooster]

Yeah but shouldn't the NBA beat these teams easily because they are supposedly the better league with the better teams and better players?

Upsets can happen all the time. Euroleague do have teams with NBA level players ranging from role players to Summer League scrubs that can definitely give any NBA team some fits.

[Rooster]

I hope you guys are joking with the Euroleague bashing. Top few Euroleague teams are usually NBA playoff first round caliber.

Give me a break. Kirilenko and Krstic led teams are not NBA playoff caliber team. You know what happened to Jazz when Kirilenko at his best was their best player.:oldlol:

[Miller for 3]

Give me a break. Kirilenko and Krstic led teams are not NBA playoff caliber team. You know what happened to Jazz when Kirilenko at his best was their best player.:oldlol:

Ya they went 42-40 , which would make them a top 6 seed in the East basically every year the past decade. Not his fault he played in the stacked West. He could have led the Jazz to the Finals had they played in the East

[gabepizza]

I hope you guys are joking with the Euroleague bashing. Top few Euroleague teams are usually NBA playoff first round caliber.

No way. The top Euroleague teams would struggle not to have to worst records in the NBA.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

No way. The top Euroleague teams would struggle not to have to worst records in the NBA.

:oldlol:

This is trolling. You're no different than Euroleague son.

[gabepizza]

Yeah but shouldn't the NBA beat these teams easily because they are supposedly the better league with the better teams and better players?

No because there are upsets, especially in exhibition matches which are the 1st time these NBA players are playing together as a team.

I mean MLS teams constantly beat English Premier Teams in exhibitions.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1271594-preseason-friendlies-epl-clubs-unable-to-defeat-mls-clubs-on-tuesday

Does that mean anyone with their right mind would think MLS is close to English Premier League? Of course not. Just like anyone in their right mind would not think that Euroleague is close to the NBA.

In fact I bet that the MLS has a better record against EPL than Euroleague has against Euroleague. So in essence MLS is closer to EPL than Euroleague is to the NBA.

[Euroleague]

No way. The top Euroleague teams would struggle not to have to worst records in the NBA.

The Bobcats would go 0-10 in Euroleague. Half their roster couldn't make the rotation of of any Top 16 Euroleague team.

[Euroleague]

No because there are upsets, especially in exhibition matches which are the 1st time these NBA players are playing together as a team.

I mean MLS teams constantly beat English Premier Teams in exhibitions.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1271594-preseason-friendlies-epl-clubs-unable-to-defeat-mls-clubs-on-tuesday

Does that mean anyone with their right mind would think MLS is close to English Premier League? Of course not. Just like anyone in their right mind would not think that Euroleague is close to the NBA.

In fact I bet that the MLS has a better record against EPL than Euroleague has against Euroleague. So in essence MLS is closer to EPL than Euroleague is to the NBA.

This mother****ing POS just compared Euroleague to MLS............and claims MLS is closer to EPL than Euroleague to NBA

:lol :oldlol: :roll: :rolleyes: :facepalm

This guy is a ****ing CLOWN.

OMG this guy is ****ing insane. He totally proved he is the biggest moron ever, about not just one, but two of the main team sports in the world.

[gabepizza]

The Bobcats would go 0-10 in Euroleague. Half their roster couldn't make the rotation of of any Top 16 Euroleague team.

Bobcats would easily make the quarter-finals and would have a good chance of being Euroleague champions.

[Euroleague]

Bobcats would easily make the quarter-finals and would have a good chance of being Euroleague champions.

Bobcats would be lucky to not lose every game by double digits.

The chances they could make the quarterfinals are zero. Hell would have more chance of freezing over actually.

[gabepizza]

[QUOTE=Euroleague]This mother****ing POS just compared Euroleague to MLS............and claims MLS is closer to EPL than Euroleague to NBA

:lol :oldlol: :roll: :rolleyes: :facepalm

This guy is a ****ing CLOWN.

OMG this guy is ****ing insane. He totally proved he is the biggest moron ever, about not just one, but two of the main team sports in the world.[/QUOTE

So English Premier teams came to the US and were 1-2-1 against MLS, that lone victory coming on penalty shots. Just imagine if when NBA teams went over to Europe and ended with a losing record, their one victory being in overtime? There would be no end to your bragging how Euroleague is equal or even better than the NBA. But that has never happened. Every time NBA teams travel to Europe to play Euroleague teams the NBA teams as a whole, always have a winning record.

Therefore MLS is closer to premier league than Euroleague is to the NBA.

And BTW, I'm not the one with crazed troll after my name.

[qrich]

Gerald Henderson would flourish in EuroLeague play, but even then, the Cats would struggle.

Regardless, teams like CSKA would struggle to make the post season in the NBA as well.

[gabepizza]

Bobcats would be lucky to not lose every game by double digits.

The chances they could make the quarterfinals are zero. Hell would have more chance of freezing over actually.


Okay crazed troll whatever. It will never happen so you can claim what ever you want. You could even claim that a Euroleague would win the NBA finals or that Finland could defeat the US in a war, because those things would never have a chance to happen.

What does happen is Team USA with NBA players dominate FIBA play and teams with no NBA players suck.

NBA teams dominate Euroleague teams in exhibition play.

So you can have your delusions of the Bobcats sucking in Euroleague. I'll take watching the continuous beatdowns of Team USA over the rest of the world and NBA teams over Euroleague scrubs.

I mean how about that 30 point beatdown of the Celtic over the Milan team. I mean I know Bourousis had no heart and skill when Greece got eliminated by Nigeria but to be on a team that lets the Celtics walk into their home building in front of all their fans and put on a 30 point beating? Maybe Bourousis should aplly to the WNBA. He has problems playing against men.

[Euroleague]

So English Premier teams came to the US and were 1-2-1 against MLS, that lone victory coming on penalty shots. Just imagine if when NBA teams went over to Europe and ended with a losing record, their one victory being in overtime? There would be no end to your bragging how Euroleague is equal or even better than the NBA. But that has never happened. Every time NBA teams travel to Europe to play Euroleague teams the NBA teams as a whole, always have a winning record.

Therefore MLS is closer to premier league than Euroleague is to the NBA.

And BTW, I'm not the one with crazed troll after my name.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

The under-17 teams from EPL lost to MLS, OMFG ................

You are such a freaking imbecile.

[gabepizza]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

The under-17 teams from EPL lost to MLS, OMFG ................

You are such a freaking imbecile.

Umm..again show a link or again you are just bs.

Here is a link discussing the games:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1271594-preseason-friendlies-epl-clubs-unable-to-defeat-mls-clubs-on-tuesday

And here is another one discussing just one of the games:
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/match/85225/colorado-rapids-vs-swansea-city/report

Again not one mention of the EPL teams being under-17 which I think would be pretty big news having kids playing against men.

So again show me a link to back-up your outrageous claim or you are just bullshit.

[Euroleague]

Umm..again show a link or again you are just bs.

Here is a link discussing the games:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1271594-preseason-friendlies-epl-clubs-unable-to-defeat-mls-clubs-on-tuesday

And here is another one discussing just one of the games:
http://www.goal.com/en-gb/match/85225/colorado-rapids-vs-swansea-city/report

Again not one mention of the EPL teams being under-17 which I think would be pretty big news having kids playing against men.

So again show me a link to back-up your outrageous claim or you are just bullshit.


Whatever you ****ing POS. You are going on permanent ignore and never coming off. My IQ drops 50 points every time I have to read one of your posts.

[Rooster]

Bobcats would be lucky to not lose every game by double digits.

The chances they could make the quarterfinals are zero. Hell would have more chance of freezing over actually.

Yeah right. The Linus Kleiza and Josh Childress tandem led team was enough to reach the Euroleague final.:cheers:

[Rooster]

Ya they went 42-40 , which would make them a top 6 seed in the East basically every year the past decade. Not his fault he played in the stacked West. He could have led the Jazz to the Finals had they played in the East

Could have is hypothetical excuse. Jazz went 42-40 at his best with pretty good NBA role players around him. NBA Finals:oldlol:

[Rooster]

No way. The top Euroleague teams would struggle not to have to worst records in the NBA.

Agree. The lack of athletic talents and all those tactical plays won't work in the NBA. Just imagine Spanoulis playing man to man defense. :oldlol: :oldlol:
Ok he did and Van Gundy benched him in favor of Skip and Luther Head.:oldlol:

[b1imtf]

Whatever you ****ing POS. You are going on permanent ignore and never coming off. My IQ drops 50 points every time I have to read one of your posts.
Your IQ goes to -50?

[gabepizza]

Montepaschi Siena head coach Luca Banchi after his team lost to the Spurs by 29 points:

[CavaliersFTW]

[QUOTE=gabepizza]Montepaschi Siena head coach Luca Banchi after his team lost to the Spurs by 29 points:

[Euroleague]

[QUOTE=gabepizza]Montepaschi Siena head coach Luca Banchi after his team lost to the Spurs by 29 points:

[Euroleague]

Your are DESTROYING Euroleague with facts man, it isn't fair no wonder he's getting so angry :lol

Zeljko Obradovic said the Euroleague is better than the NBA.

Obradovic won 8 Euroleague championships.

Bianchi (the Siena coach) hasn't even coached a Euroleague game yet.

But hey, if you want to take what the guy that says MLS is also almost as good as EPL and is clearly much closer to EPL than the Euroleague is to NBA as gospel then go ahead.

This gabe pedophile is the biggest moron in the history of sports forums.

[raptorfan_dr07]

Zeljko Obradovic said the Euroleague is better than the NBA.

Obradovic won 8 Euroleague championships.



Who? Some tenth rate coach in a tenth rate league? 8 Euroleague championships huh? That's about as impressive as me coaching a bunch of 5 year olds in some pee wee league to 8 championships. Nobody cares what some crappy coach in a crappy league thinks.

[gabepizza]

That's the worst Siena team in the history of their Montepaschi franchise since it began in year 2000.

For you to claim that is a top 8 Euroleague team is just more of your LYING ****ing bull shit.

Did I say they were a top 8 Euroleague team? No I said last year they made the quarter-finals and were a top 8 Euroleague team which is a fact. I know they best players like MCCalebb left left but they must have some players remaining from last year. They couldn't overhalled they entire roster.

[gabepizza]

Zeljko Obradovic said the Euroleague is better than the NBA.

Obradovic won 8 Euroleague championships.

Bianchi (the Siena coach) hasn't even coached a Euroleague game yet.

But hey, if you want to take what the guy that says MLS is also almost as good as EPL and is clearly much closer to EPL than the Euroleague is to NBA as gospel then go ahead.

This gabe pedophile is the biggest moron in the history of sports forums.

But Bianchi was the assistant coach of Montepaschi Siena for 6 years so I think he knows what he is talking about.

[Alan]

Euroleague, give us your predictions for the remaining EL vs NBA preseason games. Would be interesting to know.

[Nash]

When guys like Josh Childress and Kleiza are going to the finals and winning the Euroleague then that league is SHIT. What do the best players in the Euroleague teams do when they come over to NBA?

Also the Olympics showed pretty clearly what league is the better with the best players and the ones that stood out all being from the NBA. And the ones from Euroleague that played good are players that just signed for NBA team(Kirilenko, Shved).

[BoutPractice]

When guys like Josh Childress and Kleiza are going to the finals and winning the Euroleague then that league is SHIT. What do the best players in the Euroleague teams do when they come over to NBA?
> Sabonis, Petrovic, Divac (I think, not sure about Peja), Kukoc, Radja, Kirilenko, the Gasols, Ginobili, Varejao, Rubio, Calderon, Pekovic, all played in the Euroleague at some point. I would say they did pretty well for themselves.

[Sakkreth]

When guys like Josh Childress and Kleiza are going to the finals and winning the Euroleague then that league is SHIT. What do the best players in the Euroleague teams do when they come over to NBA?

Also the Olympics showed pretty clearly what league is the better with the best players and the ones that stood out all being from the NBA. And the ones from Euroleague that played good are players that just signed for NBA team(Kirilenko, Shved).

Olympiacos that year didn't win :facepalm
And it was the only recent season of Kleiza when he was completely healthy. His style is better for euro ball, no problem to drop 25 on USA in a close game though.

[swi7ch]

I wonder why Euroleague makes it a point to mention that someone has been added to his ignore list. Do you guys' feelings get hurt when a random Internet poster adds you to their ignore list? Do you guys lose sleep over it? :confusedshrug:

[Nash]

> Sabonis, Petrovic, Divac (I think, not sure about Peja), Kukoc, Radja, Kirilenko, the Gasols, Ginobili, Varejao, Rubio, Calderon, Pekovic, all played in the Euroleague at some point. I would say they did pretty well for themselves.
Of course they did, but it also proved that the leagues don't hold the same level. Most of those guys were rated much higher in Europe than they were in the NBA.

Also don't forget for every Gasol there is 10 scrubs in the NBA like Spanoulis and Anthony Parker.

[niko]

I wonder why Euroleague makes it a point to mention that someone has been added to his ignore list. Do you guys' feelings get hurt when a random Internet poster adds you to their ignore list? Do you guys lose sleep over it? :confusedshrug:
I'm more upset he keeps putting me on it but i'm not really on it. He promised!

Is the point of this thread people comparing Euroleague to NBA based on exhibition games? Should we have a thread lauding the ****ing Harlem Globetrotters? They never lose... Exhibition games are the showcase for the weaker teams, because they care more, they play harder, it's more important.

Stupidity abounds..

[gabepizza]

Olympiacos that year didn't win :facepalm
And it was the only recent season of Kleiza when he was completely healthy. His style is better for euro ball, no problem to drop 25 on USA in a close game though.


Yes you're right. Olympiacos didn't win but they were runners-up. In the Euroleague final Childress led his team in points and both teams in rebounds in a losing effort. And in the semi-final victory to get to the Euroleague final, Kleiza led his team in points and both teams in rebounds. So having a team with Kleiza and Childress as being two of the top three players as the 2nd best team in Euroleague that year shows that Euroleague is still light years behind the NBA.

[Sakkreth]

Parker is an American, and GOAT Euroleague player. Show some respect.

:oldlol:

Fixed ur green bar.

[BoutPractice]

Most of those guys were rated much higher in Europe than they were in the NBA.
> Some may actually have been rated lower, but you're correct.
Even so, I never said it proves the Euroleague is better than the NBA... nothing could prove that, because it's simply not true.
I was simply illustrating the fact that the Euroleague (and more generally, Europe: see Dirk and Parker, two FMVPS) routinely produces NBA all-star caliber players.

[Sakkreth]

Yes NBA is better league, but not by that much as most of you think, it's quite close, and yes some euroleague teams could make playoffs, but none of them would have chance at championship. Defense has a slight edge in europe tho, that's why even with less star players european teams can compete, often it's better coached aswell.

[CeltsGarlic]

Yes NBA is better league, but not by that much as most of you think, it's quite close, and yes some euroleague teams could make playoffs, but none of them would have chance at championship. Defense has a slight edge in europe tho, that's why even with less star players european teams can compete, often it's better coached aswell.

Well, I wouldnt call it close. In europe there are no teams even close to the talent of lets say Heat or Lakers. Gameplay wise also.
Its not really far away but NBA is ahead.

[Nash]

Yes NBA is better league, but not by that much as most of you think, it's quite close, and yes some euroleague teams could make playoffs, but none of them would have chance at championship. Defense has a slight edge in europe tho, that's why even with less star players european teams can compete, often it's better coached aswell.
Close? Not even close, the Euroleague champions wouldn't be close to making the playoffs and would probably be predicted as the worst team in the league coming into this season.

Olympiacos who won the Euroleague last season has this starting 5:

Acie Law
Spanoulis
Papanikolaou
Printezis
Dorsey

Look at that, honestly. That team clearly would be the worst in the league. The level of quality on that starting 5 would be so low in the NBA. Acie Law, Joey Dorsey and Spanoulis are already 3 proven failures in the NBA.

And I'm being nice there when saying that Bobcats would be competing with them for worst team because Ben Gordon, Kidd-Gilchrist, Handerson, Sessions and Hayward are clearly much better performers than Acie Law or Dorsey were ever in the NBA.

[Rooster]

Yes NBA is better league, but not by that much as most of you think, it's quite close, and yes some euroleague teams could make playoffs, but none of them would have chance at championship. Defense has a slight edge in europe tho, that's why even with less star players european teams can compete, often it's better coached aswell.

Quite close:oldlol: :rolleyes:

Kirilenko led teams in the NBA failed to make playoff in his prime.:rolleyes:

If not for a full zone.

A lot of unathletic soft scrubs like Spanoulis would have been exposed defensively.

Just like when NBA exposed Saras.:oldlol:

[Rooster]

Close? Not even close, the Euroleague champions wouldn't be close to making the playoffs and would probably be predicted as the worst team in the league coming into this season.

Olympiacos who won the Euroleague last season has this starting 5:

Acie Law
Spanoulis
Papanikolaou
Printezis
Dorsey

Look at that, honestly. That team clearly would be the worst in the league. The level of quality on that starting 5 would be so low in the NBA. Acie Law, Joey Dorsey and Spanoulis are already 3 proven failures in the NBA.

And I'm being nice there when saying that Bobcats would be competing with them for worst team because Ben Gordon, Kidd-Gilchrist, Handerson, Sessions and Hayward are clearly much better performers than Acie Law or Dorsey were ever in the NBA.


Under NBA rules, no Euroleague team can compete with NBA teams. You get upsets here and there but the talent and athleticism in NBA is on another level.

[KG215]

When a Euroleague team loses to an NBA team you know what the poster Euroleague's going to say.

"That was the worst team that team X has ever had" or "That was the worst team that team X has had in a long time."

"Euroleague team X was barely trying. Going about 60%-70% of their normal intensity level. NBA team Y was trying their hardest to win though."


When the game is played in America under NBA rules...

"The game was obviously rigged by cheating refs."


Even when one of the Euroleague teams loses by 30+ he'll still use 'em. He has no shame.

[gabepizza]

Yes NBA is better league, but not by that much as most of you think, it's quite close, and yes some euroleague teams could make playoffs, but none of them would have chance at championship. Defense has a slight edge in europe tho, that's why even with less star players european teams can compete, often it's better coached aswell.

First off I want to say how nice it is to have a sane, reasonable European poster here. I'm sorry about the poster "Euroleague" he gives all the real Euroleague fans a bad name on this forum. That being said we have to agree to disagree. I agree with Nash in that I feel the best Euroleague teams would struggle to not have to worst record in the NBA. Especially with the play with NBA rules. The reason why defense has a slight edge in Europe is because of the rules, not the skills of the players. If Euroleague teams had to play 82 games with NBA rules, (defensive 3 seconds, no hand checking or touching guards or superstars on the perimeter) they would get shredded almost every night.

[Sakkreth]

It's not close ?

Tell me what's the third best league in the world (not including european national and regional leagues(adriatic,vtb etc.) as teams from there are in euroelague) and we can argue if it's close to euroleague or not, u will say ncaa ? That's not close at all.

[GreatGreg]

Whatever you ****ing POS. You are going on permanent ignore and never coming off. My IQ drops 50 points every time I have to read one of your posts.
No Links Yoooooo!!!

[Nero Tulip]

Close? Not even close, the Euroleague champions wouldn't be close to making the playoffs and would probably be predicted as the worst team in the league coming into this season.

Olympiacos who won the Euroleague last season has this starting 5:

Acie Law
Spanoulis
Papanikolaou
Printezis
Dorsey

Look at that, honestly. That team clearly would be the worst in the league. The level of quality on that starting 5 would be so low in the NBA. Acie Law, Joey Dorsey and Spanoulis are already 3 proven failures in the NBA.

And I'm being nice there when saying that Bobcats would be competing with them for worst team because Ben Gordon, Kidd-Gilchrist, Handerson, Sessions and Hayward are clearly much better performers than Acie Law or Dorsey were ever in the NBA.

Nah, they could easily make the playoffs in the Eastern Conference.

Olympiacos is one of the weakest champions in history and it was widely considered a fluke. Look at Miami's 06 roster and you might make the same conclusion about the NBA...

And just because a guy failed in the NBA doesn't mean he's no good. NBA players have done worse in the Euroleague too, it doesn't mean anything. Or do you really think Navarro is a 10PPG player? Please.

[JtotheIzzo]

Bobcats would be lucky to not lose every game by double digits.

The chances they could make the quarterfinals are zero. Hell would have more chance of freezing over actually.

Bobcats would win the Euroleague. Almost all Euroleague players would get cut from the Bobcats, so to say the Bobcats (with better talent) would lose every game by double digits is counter-intuitive.

Although you are the biggest troll POS on this forum so this kind of nonsense that you spew above is beyond ridiculous. Has it not occurred to you that year after year, when NBA castoffs dominate Euroleague play that maybe the NBA is just at a higher level?

No, logic escapes you in every phase, making you a sad pathetic excuse for a basketball fan.

You have single-handedly ruined European basketball for everyone on this forum, and now everyone here roots against it because of you.

I would say that NO ONE on the planet has done more damage to European basketball's rise as a spectator sport than you.

You are the SINGLE WORST THING that has ever happened to European basketball and its ascent into the mainstream.

Congratulations!:applause:

[CavaliersFTW]

When a Euroleague team loses to an NBA team you know what the poster Euroleague's going to say.

"That was the worst team that team X has ever had" or "That was the worst team that team X has had in a long time."

"Euroleague team X was barely trying. Going about 60%-70% of their normal intensity level. NBA team Y was trying their hardest to win though."


When the game is played in America under NBA rules...

"The game was obviously rigged by cheating refs."


Even when one of the Euroleague teams loses by 30+ he'll still use 'em. He has no shame.
:lol this is spot on

[baller562]

Bobcats would win the Euroleague. Almost all Euroleague players would get cut from the Bobcats, so to say the Bobcats (with better talent) would lose every game by double digits is counter-intuitive.

Although you are the biggest troll POS on this forum so this kind of nonsense that you spew above is beyond ridiculous. Has it not occurred to you that year after year, when NBA castoffs dominate Euroleague play that maybe the NBA is just at a higher level?

No, logic escapes you in every phase, making you a sad pathetic excuse for a basketball fan.

You have single-handedly ruined European basketball for everyone on this forum, and now everyone here roots against it because of you.

I would say that NO ONE on the planet has done more damage to European basketball's rise as a spectator sport than you.

You are the SINGLE WORST THING that has ever happened to European basketball and its ascent into the mainstream.

Congratulations!:applause:

Exactly how I feel, I respect the Euroleague as the best league in the world outside of the US. Totally agree with your assessment on what this idiot does and his impact on our view of Euroleague (not that it matters).

[gabepizza]

Bobcats would win the Euroleague. Almost all Euroleague players would get cut from the Bobcats, so to say the Bobcats (with better talent) would lose every game by double digits is counter-intuitive.

Although you are the biggest troll POS on this forum so this kind of nonsense that you spew above is beyond ridiculous. Has it not occurred to you that year after year, when NBA castoffs dominate Euroleague play that maybe the NBA is just at a higher level?

No, logic escapes you in every phase, making you a sad pathetic excuse for a basketball fan.

You have single-handedly ruined European basketball for everyone on this forum, and now everyone here roots against it because of you.

I would say that NO ONE on the planet has done more damage to European basketball's rise as a spectator sport than you.

You are the SINGLE WORST THING that has ever happened to European basketball and its ascent into the mainstream.

Congratulations!:applause:

Well put. I have told him this myself. It's too bad because it ruins it for other European posters. Euroleague is the 2nd best league in the world and should get more respect from NBA fans who don't know much about it but the poster "Euroleague" with his absurd and outrageous posts has made it into a punchline.

But let's not let one delusional troll with his crazy rantings make us dismiss the 2nd best league in the world. There is a lot more talent in Euroleague than in the NCAA, the D-League or whatever.

[Sakkreth]

Bobcats would win the Euroleague. Almost all Euroleague players would get cut from the Bobcats, so to say the Bobcats (with better talent) would lose every game by double digits is counter-intuitive.

Although you are the biggest troll POS on this forum so this kind of nonsense that you spew above is beyond ridiculous. Has it not occurred to you that year after year, when NBA castoffs dominate Euroleague play that maybe the NBA is just at a higher level?

No, logic escapes you in every phase, making you a sad pathetic excuse for a basketball fan.

You have single-handedly ruined European basketball for everyone on this forum, and now everyone here roots against it because of you.

I would say that NO ONE on the planet has done more damage to European basketball's rise as a spectator sport than you.

You are the SINGLE WORST THING that has ever happened to European basketball and its ascent into the mainstream.

Congratulations!:applause:

I agree with everything except that Bobcats would win Euroleague. Many teams that won't make playoffs would have shot at it, bottom playoffs seeds would be top contenders. That's how I see it.

Anyways, remember that Euroleague (No links yo(lakas fan yo)) is actually american.

[KG215]

The biggest problem I have with Euroleague is the extreme hyperbole he uses. I have to think he's using hyperbole and not being serious because, if not, he really is delusional.

When he says things like "Ricy Rubio is one o the worst Euroleague players of the last decade" and "Josh Childress is the worst player for (whatever team he played for) of the last decade." And he says them like they're indisputable fact.

If he'd stop using such outlandish hyperbolic statements, he'd be a teeny tiny bit more bearable.

[KG215]

:lol this is spot on

Next time an NBA team loses to a Euroleague team, I'm just going to start saying "It was their worst team in years" and "They were only playing at about 50%-60% of their normal intensity level."

And why in the hell did he bring up the Bobcats? The 2011-2012 Bobcats might actually be the single worst team in NBA HISTORY! That's not me using exaggeration. They have the worst win% of all-time and their roster was probably one of the 3-5 least talented rosters ever. Take that team and drop them in any past regular season and they're going to struggle to win 10 games. They were that bad. Their best player was Kemba Walker or, who, Gerald Henderson? Kemba was a rookie and he wasn't one of those "special" type rookies, either. He was good but there's 5 or 6 rookies like him every year. And Gerald Henderson...how many other teams would he even start for? Isn't he better served as an 8th or 9th man on a playoff team?

So by saying they'd lose every game in Euroleague by double digits to prove Euroleague's supremacy isn't saying much.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Put Euroleague on your ignore list and/or stop replying to him. Problem solved.

[JtotheIzzo]

I agree with everything except that Bobcats would win Euroleague. Many teams that won't make playoffs would have shot at it, bottom playoffs seeds would be top contenders. That's how I see it.

Anyways, remember that Euroleague (No links yo(lakas fan yo)) is actually american.

I was speaking in hyperbole to make a point, your assessment is more accurate to be honest. I wouldn't bet on the Bobcats actually winning it all, but they would do well, there is just too much talent to say otherwise.

It is a pity though, because I would actually like watching Euro ball but this clown forces me to see it fail. Kind of a pity, worst ambassador ever.

[Partizan]

Who? Some tenth rate coach in a tenth rate league? 8 Euroleague championships huh? That's about as impressive as me coaching a bunch of 5 year olds in some pee wee league to 8 championships. Nobody cares what some crappy coach in a crappy league thinks.

Sorry I had to comment on this...
Everything Euroleague says is a complete bullshit and he has absolutely no knowledge of European basketball... But to say that Zeljko Obradovic is tenth rate coach is just idiotic... I'm not an expert in ranking of nba coaches but I think Zeljko can't be any worse than the best of them...


And Euroleague, Zeljko is one of the rare european coaches who follows NBA closely, I dont know why you use him to boost your idiotic claims...
NBA is superior league, there is no question abot that, but i like euroleague basketball more, there is a lot more of tactical approach to the game and stars have a lot less power...

[Fiba basketball]

Sorry I had to comment on this...
Everything Euroleague says is a complete bullshit and he has absolutely no knowledge of European basketball... But to say that Zeljko Obradovic is tenth rate coach is just idiotic... I'm not an expert in ranking of nba coaches but I think Zeljko can't be any worse than the best of them...


And Euroleague, Zeljko is one of the rare european coaches who follows NBA closely, I dont know why you use him to boost your idiotic claims...
NBA is superior league, there is no question abot that, but i like euroleague basketball more, there is a lot more of tactical approach to the game and stars have a lot less power...
As far as I know Obradovic said he doesn't like NBA and doesn't follow it that close .

[Partizan]

As far as I know Obradovic said he doesn't like NBA and doesn't follow it that close .

He follows it, how much his other comitments allow him...
I share his attitude, that regular season in NBA is just a show and real basketball begins in playoffs...

[Euroleague]

Yes NBA is better league, but not by that much as most of you think, it's quite close, and yes some euroleague teams could make playoffs, but none of them would have chance at championship. Defense has a slight edge in europe tho, that's why even with less star players european teams can compete, often it's better coached aswell.

Olympiacos could beat every single NBA team except the Lakers in a 7 game series.

[Euroleague]

Well, I wouldnt call it close. In europe there are no teams even close to the talent of lets say Heat or Lakers. Gameplay wise also.
Its not really far away but NBA is ahead.

Both CSKA and Olympiacos would beat the Heat in a 7 game series.

[Euroleague]

Close? Not even close, the Euroleague champions wouldn't be close to making the playoffs and would probably be predicted as the worst team in the league coming into this season.

Olympiacos who won the Euroleague last season has this starting 5:

Acie Law
Spanoulis
Papanikolaou
Printezis
Dorsey

Look at that, honestly. That team clearly would be the worst in the league. The level of quality on that starting 5 would be so low in the NBA. Acie Law, Joey Dorsey and Spanoulis are already 3 proven failures in the NBA.

And I'm being nice there when saying that Bobcats would be competing with them for worst team because Ben Gordon, Kidd-Gilchrist, Handerson, Sessions and Hayward are clearly much better performers than Acie Law or Dorsey were ever in the NBA.

That's not the starting five of Olympiacos you dickhead.

[Euroleague]

Bobcats would win the Euroleague. Almost all Euroleague players would get cut from the Bobcats, so to say the Bobcats (with better talent) would lose every game by double digits is counter-intuitive.

Although you are the biggest troll POS on this forum so this kind of nonsense that you spew above is beyond ridiculous. Has it not occurred to you that year after year, when NBA castoffs dominate Euroleague play that maybe the NBA is just at a higher level?

No, logic escapes you in every phase, making you a sad pathetic excuse for a basketball fan.

You have single-handedly ruined European basketball for everyone on this forum, and now everyone here roots against it because of you.

I would say that NO ONE on the planet has done more damage to European basketball's rise as a spectator sport than you.

You are the SINGLE WORST THING that has ever happened to European basketball and its ascent into the mainstream.

Congratulations!:applause:


Half of the Bobcats roster could not even pass a Euroleague tryout.

[Euroleague]

Sorry I had to comment on this...
Everything Euroleague says is a complete bullshit and he has absolutely no knowledge of European basketball... But to say that Zeljko Obradovic is tenth rate coach is just idiotic... I'm not an expert in ranking of nba coaches but I think Zeljko can't be any worse than the best of them...


And Euroleague, Zeljko is one of the rare european coaches who follows NBA closely, I dont know why you use him to boost your idiotic claims...
NBA is superior league, there is no question abot that, but i like euroleague basketball more, there is a lot more of tactical approach to the game and stars have a lot less power...

Because Obradovic said about 50 times that the NBA is a lower level league than the Euroleague.

[Nash]

That's not the starting five of Olympiacos you dickhead.
Its not? Then what is. If its not then the starting 5 is even worse.

And what a surprise, you start name calling. You are such an angry person.

[maybeshewill13]

Olympiacos could beat every single NBA team except the Lakers in a 7 game series.

That's a nice argument you make, backed up by fact and great research. Your opinion should be greatly respected.

[BoutPractice]

There's a lot more to basketball than starting fives.

The Bobcats would get destroyed in the Euroleague because they play terrible basketball as a team. So would the Wizards, Kings and other teams like that. The gap in talent between "good" players is not enough for a superstar-less team to get by on talent alone... if they can't complete the simplest basketball tasks as a team, they'll have no chance of winning anything.

[Der Zed]

I went to the Mavs game in Berlin and the highlight was seeing in person Detlef F**cking Schrempf!!

[gabepizza]

Both CSKA and Olympiacos would beat the Heat in a 7 game series.


So far Euroleague teams are 1-6 against NBA teams but keep digging.

[Rooster]

There's a lot more to basketball than starting fives.

The Bobcats would get destroyed in the Euroleague because they play terrible basketball as a team. So would the Wizards, Kings and other teams like that. The gap in talent between "good" players is not enough for a superstar-less team to get by on talent alone... if they can't complete the simplest basketball tasks as a team, they'll have no chance of winning anything.


Talent gap is so big that even the Raptors can beat the crap of any Euroleague team. Under NBA rules, you can see the athleticism of NBA players messing around against those soft unathletic bums from Euroleague.:oldlol:

[niko]

Thanks for the negs. Euroleague is not a pimple on the NBA's ass. Anyone looking at the result of exhibition games to say it is makes me laugh.

[Fiba basketball]

He follows it, how much his other comitments allow him...
I share his attitude, that regular season in NBA is just a show and real basketball begins in playoffs...
To be honest I don't see a difference between NBA regular season and playoffs , I hear people talk how they start playing real basketball when playoffs come but I just don't see that .

[qrich]

Both CSKA and Olympiacos would beat the Heat in a 7 game series.

:roll:

[KG215]

:roll:

Stop being a racist psychotic dumbass. Just like Spanoulis at the very least, is unquestionably the 3rd best player in the world, the Miami Heat are only the third or fourth best professional basketball team in the world behind one or two Euroleague teams and the Lakers. It's not debatable you lying racist prick.

Just trying to help Euroleague out and save him some time so he can unabashedly berate more posters.

[RRR3]

Stop being a racist psychotic dumbass. Just like Spanoulis at the very least, is unquestionably the 3rd best player in the world, the Miami Heat are only the third or fourth best professional basketball team in the world behind one or two Euroleague teams and the Lakers. It's not debatable you lying racist prick.

Just trying to help Euroleague out and save him some time so he can unabashedly berate more posters.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

:applause: :applause: It's true they would DESTROY the Heat. Anyone who thinks otherwise is obviously racist.

[CavaliersFTW]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

:applause: :applause: It's true they would DESTROY the Heat. Anyone who thinks otherwise is obviously racist.
I would bet Euroleauge's LIFE that Olympiacos or CSK Moscow would dominate the Heat in a 7 game series - I'm THAT confident of the outcome. (Don't worry Euroleague I got yo back on this)

Everyone else out there is PYSCHOTIC RACISTS :mad:

[Nash]

Yes, finals 2013. Miami vs Olympiacos.

Spanoulis: 29 ppg, 6 assists, finals MVP
Acie Law: 20 pgg, 10 assists
Joey Dorsey: 16 ppg, 12 rpg

Kostas Papanikolaous and Stratos Perperoglou to completely shut down Lebron, Spanoulis shows Wade who the boss is and Euroleague celebrates in the streets of Athe.. I mean Arkansas.

[RRR3]

I would bet Euroleauge's LIFE that Olympiacos or CSK Moscow would dominate the Heat in a 7 game series - I'm THAT confident of the outcome. (Don't worry Euroleague I got yo back on this)
You are correct. Vassilis Spanoulis, the best player in Euroleague and 3rd (at worst) best player on Earth, or "Vassy" as I like to call him in my homoerotic dreams, would undoubtedly singlehandedly lock down LeBron James and hold him to -63 points a game. Furthermore, TakesaShitakis and FatCutbyClippersousis would dominate the Heat inside.

[qrich]

You are correct. Vassilis Spanoulis, the best player in Euroleague and 3rd (at worst) best player on Earth, or "Vassy" as I like to call him in my homoerotic dreams, would undoubtedly singlehandedly lock down LeBron James and hold him to -63 points a game. Furthermore, TakesaShitakis and FatCutbyHawksousis would dominate the Heat inside.

Fixed. Clippers gave up the Greek Shaq's rights :cry:

[RRR3]

Heat players reactions when they realized they would have to play Olympiakos and the great V-Span



LeBron:
http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Lebron-James-Sad.jpg


Wade:
http://yeahhedid.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/d-wade-sad.jpg


Bosh:
http://styalz.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/poor-bosh.jpg
























Chalmers:
http://drunkathlete.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/michael_beasley_mario_chalmers.jpg

[RRR3]

Fixed. Clippers gave up the Greek Shaq's rights :cry:
The league isn't ready for a 800 pound Greek:cry:

[Partizan]

To be honest I don't see a difference between NBA regular season and playoffs , I hear people talk how they start playing real basketball when playoffs come but I just don't see that .

Well, in playoffs games just mean much more to player and coaches... There is less of transition plays resulting in highlight dunks etc. A lot more team defence being played ( or just better team defence being played, teams with average defence usually get exposed in playoffs), you also have coahes who arent so much open to experimenting in playoffs, they just try to get best result possible with methods tested in regular season... Individiual level of play is about the same in regular season and playoffs but far superior team play makes the difference.

[Euroleague]

So far Euroleague teams are 1-6 against NBA teams but keep digging.

When Barca beta the Lakers, you said, "the games does not count because it is preseason".

When Fener beat the Celtics, you said, "the game does not count because it is preseason."

So funny how whenever the Euroleague beats an NBA team - the games "don't count because it is preseason".

but when an NBA team beats a Euroleague team in a preseason game - the games ALL count.

FYI, hypocrites are in the lowest pit of hell........

[Euroleague]

Its not? Then what is. If its not then the starting 5 is even worse.

And what a surprise, you start name calling. You are such an angry person.

No it's not you ****ing moron. Let me guess, you saw that on Wikipedia (which is 95% edited by Americans that never once saw a Euroleague game in their life) and took it as "fact".

You are a ****ing moron.

Olympiacos lineup is

PG Spanoulis/Law/Katsivelis
SG Mantzaris/Sloukas/Gecevicius
SF Perperoglou/Papanikolaou
PF Antic/Printezis/Georgakis
C Dorsey/Hines/Mavroeidis


And for the HUNDREDTH TIME, starting or coming off the bench DOES NOT MATTER IN EUROLEAGUE.

The NBA is the ONLY league that places emphasis on who starts and comes off the bench. IT DOES NOT MATTER IN EUROLEAGUE.

You have been told that over and over and over and yet you continue to refuse to acknowledge it because you are a worthless ****ing piece of shit.

In Euroleague, even league MVPs can come off the bench. Yet, you STILL keep referring to Euroleague teams solely by their starters. Olympiacos has just Spanoulis that stands out from the other players, and then they have 11 other players of EQUAL LEVEL.

Anyone on the roster (outside of Katsivelis and Georgakis) are EQUAL or better than guys like Dorsey and Law, that you imagine are some kind of elite players in Euroleague.

Newsflash you ****ing jackass, the 11-12 man of Olympiacos rotation is as good or better than they are. It's not like the ****ing NBA with a 1, 2, 3 option and then 5 role players and then 7 scrubs.

It's 10-12 players of EQUAL LEVEL. Something that you ****ing gigantic imbeciles with the US "education" are incapable of comprehending.

[gabepizza]

When Barca beta the Lakers, you said, "the games does not count because it is preseason".

When Fener beat the Celtics, you said, "the game does not count because it is preseason."

So funny how whenever the Euroleague beats an NBA team - the games "don't count because it is preseason".

but when an NBA team beats a Euroleague team in a preseason game - the games ALL count.

FYI, hypocrites are in the lowest pit of hell........

I never said it doesn't count. I mean it's an exhibition game so literally the games do not count but it is still basketball so you can use to judge the leagues. That Euroleague is 1-6 this year and 7-44 the past 10 years show that the NBA is way better than Euroleague. I mean you can point to those two victories and I can just respond by 7-44. If leagues play 50 games against each other the better league is going to lose a few. I mean I bet if the NBA played the CBA 50 games they would lose 1 or 2.

[Euroleague]

To be honest I don't see a difference between NBA regular season and playoffs , I hear people talk how they start playing real basketball when playoffs come but I just don't see that .

They don't play with any real intensity until the conference finals. The NBA first round is just as bad as the regular season is.

It's just another myth that NBA only fans have created top excuse the ridiculous lackluster effort in the regular season. "But, when the playoffs start they are like crazy intense."

It's more BS from NBA only fans. The first round of the playoffs is just as unwatchable as the regular season is.

[gabepizza]

[QUOTE=Euroleague]No it's not you ****ing moron. Let m,e guess, you saw that on Wikipedia (which is 95% edited by Americans that never once saw a Euroleague game in their life) and took it as "fact".

You are a ****ing moron.

Olympiacos lineup is

PG Spanoulis/Law/Katsivelis
SG Mantzaris/Sloukas
SF Perperoglou/Papanikolaou
PF Antic/Printezis/Georgakis
C Dorsey/Hines/Mavroeidis


Hey I recognize that line up! A third of that line-up was on the Greek team that got eliminated by Nigeria.

NIGERIA!!!

[Euroleague]

Yes, finals 2013. Miami vs Olympiacos.

Spanoulis: 29 ppg, 6 assists, finals MVP
Acie Law: 20 pgg, 10 assists
Joey Dorsey: 16 ppg, 12 rpg

Kostas Papanikolaous and Stratos Perperoglou to completely shut down Lebron, Spanoulis shows Wade who the boss is and Euroleague celebrates in the streets of Athe.. I mean Arkansas.


Joey Dorsey averaged 4.2 points and 4.4 rebounds per game in Euroleague.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=003508&clubcode=OLY&seasoncode=E2011


Acie Law averaged 8.6 points and 2.7 assists in Euroleague.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=003431&clubcode=OLY&seasoncode=E2011

Spanoulis would not be guarding Wade you ****ing idiot. He plays point guard, not shooting guard. Mantzaris, Sloukas, and Gecevicius would be guarding Wade.


You and Gabe, people that claim they know about the level of Euroleague, not from ever having once in their life watched a Euroleague game, but from reading Wikipedia, where they don't even list the Euroleague players by the correct positions they play at.

You are just as big of a ****ing idiot and asshole as gabepizza is.

[Euroleague]

Well, in playoffs games just mean much more to player and coaches... There is less of transition plays resulting in highlight dunks etc. A lot more team defence being played ( or just better team defence being played, teams with average defence usually get exposed in playoffs), you also have coahes who arent so much open to experimenting in playoffs, they just try to get best result possible with methods tested in regular season... Individiual level of play is about the same in regular season and playoffs but far superior team play makes the difference.

The level of the NBA playoffs does not get high until the conference finals. So for this to be true, you need stop saying "NBA playoffs". Because you are false implying that the first two rounds of the NBA playoffs are a good level. But they are not. The play in the first two rounds of the playoffs is still pretty terrible.

[Nash]

Joey Dorsey averaged 4.2 points and 4.4 rebounds per game in Euroleague.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=003508&clubcode=OLY&seasoncode=E2011


Acie Law averaged 8.6 points and 2.7 assists in Euroleague.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=003431&clubcode=OLY&seasoncode=E2011

Spanoulis would not be guarding Wade you ****ing idiot. He plays point guard, not shooting guard. Mantzaris, Sloukas, and Gecevicius would be guarding Wade.


You and Gabe, people that claim they know about the level of Euroleague, not from ever having once in their life watched a Euroleague game, but from reading Wikuipedia, where they don't even list the Euroleague players by the correct positions they play at.

You are just as big of a ****ing idiot and asshole as gabepizza is.
You are so :mad: all the time.

And whatever the starting 5 may be, they're still going to have the worst roster in the NBA.

[gabepizza]

[QUOTE=Euroleague]Joey Dorsey averaged 4.2 points and 4.4 rebounds per game in Euroleague.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=003508&clubcode=OLY&seasoncode=E2011


Acie Law averaged 8.6 points and 2.7 assists in Euroleague.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=003431&clubcode=OLY&seasoncode=E2011

And again for these "NBA only" fans you are talking to I have to follow your stats by reminding them that a Euroleague game is only 40 minutes so the leading scorer of the league averaged 16.9, the leading rebounder 7.5 and leading assists 5.7 so those stats from Law and Dorsey are not as bad as they would be in the NBA. In the NBA the leaders in those stats are like double what they are in Euroleague so you should double Dorsey and Law's stats to get a more realistic feel as how they did in Euroleague.

[Euroleague]

I never said it doesn't count. I mean it's an exhibition game so literally the games do not count but it is still basketball so you can use to judge the leagues. That Euroleague is 1-6 this year and 7-44 the past 10 years show that the NBA is way better than Euroleague. I mean you can point to those two victories and I can just respond by 7-44. If leagues play 50 games against each other the better league is going to lose a few. I mean I bet if the NBA played the CBA 50 games they would lose 1 or 2.

The record is 42-8. My god you are so ****ing retarded that you can't even do basic math. 42-8 somehow becomes an imaginary "44-7".

And yes, you said every single time when an NBA teams loses, that "the games don't count because it is preseason".

Yet here you are counting all of these games as official. You are such a ****ing moron that you don't even know what a pathetic loser you truly are.

[Euroleague]

[QUOTE=Euroleague]Joey Dorsey averaged 4.2 points and 4.4 rebounds per game in Euroleague.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=003508&clubcode=OLY&seasoncode=E2011


Acie Law averaged 8.6 points and 2.7 assists in Euroleague.

http://www.euroleague.net/competition/players/showplayer?pcode=003431&clubcode=OLY&seasoncode=E2011

And again for these "NBA only" fans you are talking to I have to follow your stats by reminding them that a Euroleague game is only 40 minutes so the leading scorer of the league averaged 16.9, the leading rebounder 7.5 and leading assists 5.7 so those stats from Law and Dorsey are not as bad as they would be in the NBA. In the NBA the leaders in those stats are like double what they are in Euroleague so you should double Dorsey and Law's stats to get a more realistic feel as how they did in Euroleague.


They played more minutes in Euroleague than in the NBA. So once again you are a lying PIECE OF SHIT. You are the perfect example of the horrible SCUM that permeate and destroy current American society.

And yes, the stats in the NBA are all fake and artificially inflated, because NO ONE EVER PLAYS ANY DEFENSE IN THE NBA.

That's how Brandon Jennings can average 8 a game in Euroleague but score 55 in an NBA game. That's how Ty Lawson can average 7 a game in Euroleague but 17 a game in the NBA. That's how Rubio can average 7 a game in Euroleague but 11 a game in NBA.

Because the NBA has the worst ****ing defense imaginable.

[gabepizza]

The record is 42-8. My god you are so ****ing retarded that you can't even do basic math skills. 42-8 somehow becomes an imaginary "44-7".

And yes, you said every single time when an NBA teams loses, that "the games don't count because it is preseason".

Yet here you are counting all of these games as official. You are such a ****ing moron that you don't even know what a pathetic loser you truly are.

I counted again it is was 43-8:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NBA_vs_FIBA_/_ULEB_games

But what ever the number it is it is totally won sided for the NBA.

[KG215]

The level of the NBA playoffs does not get high until the conference finals. So for this to be true, you need stop saying "NBA playoffs". Because you are false implying that the first two rounds of the NBA playoffs are a good level. But they are not. The play in the first two rounds of the playoffs is still pretty terrible.

That's 100% opinion. Quit stating things that are the very definition of an opinion and trying to pass them off as fact. And quit getting mad and calling people names when they say something you don't like or don't agree with. Seriously, why are you so angry?

[Euroleague]

I counted again it is was 43-8:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NBA_vs_FIBA_/_ULEB_games

But what ever the number it is it is totally won sided for the NBA.

It's 42-8 you ****ing moron.

[winwin]

gabepizza sodomizing Euroleague in this thread

[Euroleague]

That's 100% opinion. Quit stating things that are the very definition of an opinion and trying to pass them off as fact. And quit getting mad and calling people names when they say something you don't like or don't agree with. Seriously, why are you so angry?

It's 100% BULLSHIT every time you make a post. Seriously, why are you such a lying asshole and such a moron? Maga said you were a serious poster - well Maga was WRONG. You are a huge ****ing douche bag and a troll.

You are telling people privately that you want to learn about Euroleague, but in posts to the forum, you are the absolute definition of NBA only fan and Ugly American...another useless hypocrite.

[Nash]

It's 42-8 you ****ing moron.
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Euroleague]

gabepizza sodomizing Euroleague in this thread

gabepizza can't add or count. He's a drooling retard, literally.

[gabepizza]

[QUOTE=gabepizza]


They played more minutes in Euroleague than in the NBA. So once again you are a lying PIECE OF SHIT. You are the perfect example of the horrible SCUM that permeate and destroy current American society.

And yes, the stats in the NBA are all fake and artificially inflated, because NO ONE EVER PLAYS ANY DEFENSE IN THE NBA.

That's how Brandon Jennings can average 8 a game in Euroleague but score 55 in an NBA game. That's how Ty Lawson can average 7 a game in Euroleague but 17 a game in the NBA. That's how Rubio can average 7 a game in Euroleague but 11 a game in NBA.

Because the NBA has the worst ****ing defense imaginable.

How are my lying? They played more in Euroleague that means they were more valauable in Euroleague because they got more minutes. And yes the defense is worse in the NBA because of rules that favor offense which is happening in American football as well. So that means stats, especially offensive stats mean more in the NBA. This is part of the reason why Spanoulis and Jasikevicius sucked in the NBA. The rules make it harder to defend.

[Euroleague]

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

He can't even count or add properly. He's obviously literally retarded. Yet I am being told what a great and "knowledgeable" poster he is.

Of course, every single European basketball fan is countering his absurd claims here, but you just conveniently ignore that.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

It's 42-8 you ****ing moron.

Hey Lakas fan - are Euroleague games shown in the States? I know the regular season begins this week, just not sure which (if any) channels televise the games.

[Euroleague]

How are my lying? They played more in Euroleague that means they were more valauable in Euroleague because they got more minutes. And yes the defense is worse in the NBA because of rules that favor offense which is happening in American football as well. So that means stats, especially offensive stats mean more in the NBA. This is part of the reason why Spanoulis and Jasikevicius sucked in the NBA. The rules make it harder to defend.

NBA plays no defense. Jasikevicius was the worst defender in the entire Greek League. He wasn't the worst defender in the NBA. Spanoulis would instantly be the best defender at the point guard position in the NBA, if he played there.

Rubio = scrub in Euroleague

Lawson = scrub in Euroleague

Dragic = scrub in Euroleague

Jennings = scrub in Euroleague

You are a liar.

[Kevin Love]

lmao gabepizza is calmly making euroleague his bitch and forcing him into another epic meltdown

lawl @ all of euroleagues lies

[mattvNJ]

im afraid euroleague is gonna kill him haha :lol :lol :lol

never seen someone get so mad about a league that isn't even close to the same level. We get it, some people in euroleague can play in the NBA. Quit the agenda or keep going bc ur rather entertaining with your meltdowns

[Euroleague]

Hey Lakas fan - are Euroleague games shown in the States? I know the regular season begins this week, just not sure which (if any) channels televise the games.

NBATV airs 2 Euroleague games a week usually (sometimes one), but the games are on tape delay of a few days.


The only thing in USA that shows them live is ESPN3 / watch ESPN. They used to be free on ESPN3, if you have availability to it, but I don't know if they still are free anymore this season.

NBC used to air 2 Euroleague games a week, but then they stopped doing so, because someone at NBC wanted to replace it with NHL.

Anyway, Euroleague is currently selling the broadcast rights to Euroleague for American TV, because supposedly their contract with ESPN is up soon, and they don't want to deal with ESPN anymore.

ESPN was supposed to air all of the Euroleague final four games live on US TV and they never did it. So Euroleague wants another outlet to sign a deal with.

The asking price for the rights is €60 million euros, and they could air 3-4 games a week for that price (live and replay), plus the final four of Euroleague, and the final of Eurocup. There is some talk that NBC Sports Channel might take the Euroleague contract and drop the D-League games.

We will see what happens. It would probably be next season I guess, if it happens.

[Euroleague]

im afraid euroleague is gonna kill him haha :lol :lol :lol

never seen someone get so mad about a league that isn't even close to the same level. We get it, some people in euroleague can play in the NBA. Quit the agenda or keep going bc ur rather entertaining with your meltdowns

Montepaschi Siena, the third best team from the Italian League, not Euroleague, the Italian League..........only lost to the Cleveland Cavs by 6 points.

Playing under 100% NBA rules and 3 NBA refs, in Cleveland. The game was tied at 72-72 late in the game.............

The THIRD BEST TEAM IN THE ITALIAN LEAGUE.

The Italian League is rated as the SEVENTH BEST LEAGUE IN EUROPE.

Congrats and kudos. An NBA team, playing at home, with NBA rules and refs, barely beat the third best team from the 7th best league in Europe.

You are right, it's "not even close".

:roll:

[CavaliersFTW]

[QUOTE=Euroleague]NBATV airs 2 Euroleague games a week usually (sometimes one), but the games are on tape delay of a few days.


The only thing in USA that shows them live is ESPN3 / watch ESPN. They used to be free on ESPN3, if you have availability to it, but I don't know if they still are free anymore this season.

NBA used to air 2 Euroleague games a week, but then they stopped doing so, because someone at NBA wanted to replace it with NHL.

Anyway, Euroleague is currently selling the broadcast rights Euroleague for American TV, because supposedly their contract with ESPN is up and they don't want to deal with ESPN anymore.

ESPN was supposed to air all of the Euroleague final four games live on US TV and they never did it. So Euroleague wants another outlet to sign a deal with.

The asking price for the rights is

[Euroleague]

What do you think Lebrons stats would be in Euroleague if he played in it - let's say he's on CSK-Moscow or Olympiacos... would he be the best player in the league or on that team? Would he do better / worse / the same as in the NBA?

So after you troll me for hundreds of posts, now all of a sudden you want to have a real basketball discussion?

Piss off.

[b1imtf]

Montepaschi Siena, the third best team from the Italian League, not Euroleague, the Italian League..........only lost to the Cleveland Cavs by 6 points.

Playing under 100% NBA rules and 3 NBA refs, in Cleveland. The game was tied at 72-72 late in the game.............

The THIRD BEST TEAM IN THE ITALIAN LEAGUE.

The Italian League is rated as the SEVENTH BEST LEAGUE IN EUROPE.

Congrats and kudos. An NBA team, playing at home, with NBA rules and refs, barely beat the third best team from the 7th best league in Europe.

You are right, it's "not even close".

:roll:
Cleveland might not be top 20 in NBA lol

[RRR3]

So after you troll me for hundreds of posts, now all of a sudden you want to have a real basketball discussion?

Piss off.
Scared to imagine LeGAWD's stats eh?

[Nash]

So after you troll me for hundreds of posts, now all of a sudden you want to have a real basketball discussion?

Piss off.
:roll: :roll:
It has feelings!

[CavaliersFTW]

So after you troll me for hundreds of posts, now all of a sudden you want to have a real basketball discussion?

Piss off.
http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j452/ChaonChaos/Oh_he_mad.jpg

breh... settle down :lol

you don't want to take an opportunity to discuss basketball, ud rather just get :mad: n say "piss off"? Come on... how would lebron do? Or how bout prime Kobe? Would prime Kobe be a better fit for those teams? What would peak Kobe's stats be in place of peak Spanoullis on Olympiacos - would he be a better caliber player or a worse caliber player than peak Vspan?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

[QUOTE=Euroleague]NBATV airs 2 Euroleague games a week usually (sometimes one), but the games are on tape delay of a few days.


The only thing in USA that shows them live is ESPN3 / watch ESPN. They used to be free on ESPN3, if you have availability to it, but I don't know if they still are free anymore this season.

NBC used to air 2 Euroleague games a week, but then they stopped doing so, because someone at NBC wanted to replace it with NHL.

Anyway, Euroleague is currently selling the broadcast rights to Euroleague for American TV, because supposedly their contract with ESPN is up soon, and they don't want to deal with ESPN anymore.

ESPN was supposed to air all of the Euroleague final four games live on US TV and they never did it. So Euroleague wants another outlet to sign a deal with.

The asking price for the rights is

[gabepizza]

Montepaschi Siena, the third best team from the Italian League, not Euroleague, the Italian League..........only lost to the Cleveland Cavs by 6 points.

Playing under 100% NBA rules and 3 NBA refs, in Cleveland. The game was tied at 72-72 late in the game.............

The THIRD BEST TEAM IN THE ITALIAN LEAGUE.

The Italian League is rated as the SEVENTH BEST LEAGUE IN EUROPE.

Congrats and kudos. An NBA team, playing at home, with NBA rules and refs, barely beat the third best team from the 7th best league in Europe.

You are right, it's "not even close".

:roll:

Trying to make Euroleague's 8-43 record look better. Euroleague only has 24 teams and Montepaschi Siena is one of those teams. Montepaschi Siena also plays in Euroleague which is the BEST LEAGUE IN EUROPE and they were swept on their NBA tour, just like Madrid. In fact Montepaschi Siena was in the Euroleague quarter-finals last year. The NBA had 30 teams and the Cavs were one of the worst teams last year and so were the Raptors. So two of the worst NBA teams still beat the Euroleague team.

[GreatGreg]

you don't want to take an opportunity to discuss basketball, ud rather just get :mad: n say "piss off"? Come on... how would lebron do? Or how bout prime Kobe? Would prime Kobe be a better fit for those teams? What would peak Kobe's stats be in place of peak Spanoullis on Olympiacos - would he be a better caliber player or a worse caliber player than peak Vspan?

He would barely average 15 points a game on 45% shooting. He wouldn't even be a Top 5 player. Poufadoufalus, Assberger, Dickman would all be better than him, :blah :blah :blah :blah :blah :blah
Pretty much summarized Euroleague's potential wall-o'-text.

[KG215]

It's 100% BULLSHIT every time you make a post. Seriously, why are you such a lying asshole and such a moron? Maga said you were a serious poster - well Maga was WRONG. You are a huge ****ing douche bag and a troll.
Please, show me what I have posted that is 100% bullshit. Anything. Just a part of a sentence, a word, something. I'm not in here making outlandish trollish claims to get under you skin like other posters. I think a lot of what you post is greatly exaggerated so, when I call you out on it, it doesn't make what I'm posting "100% bullshit" just because it goes against what you believe.

Also...show me where I lied? Again, show me any post where I told a lie. I'm not

You are telling people privately that you want to learn about Euroleague, but in posts to the forum, you are the absolute definition of NBA only fan and Ugly American...another useless hypocrite.[/QUOTE]

[maybeshewill13]

LMAO this thread is hilarious.. Euroleague is such a mad little kid, abusing anyone who has a different (the right opinion obviously) to him. Never seen a kid get so mad on the interwebs :lol :lol :lol

[KG215]

LMAO this thread is hilarious.. Euroleague is such a mad little kid, abusing anyone who has a different (the right opinion obviously) to him. Never seen a kid get so mad on the interwebs :lol :lol :lol

If you don't share the same belies and opinions you're either a liar, a racist, a psychotic, or retard.

And yes Euroleague, 99% of what you post in comparing Euroleague and NBA players and the leagues themselves is opinion, not fact. So quit acting like everything you say when comparing the two is indisputable fact.

[maybeshewill13]

If you don't share the same belies and opinions you're either a liar, a racist, a psychotic, or retard.

And yes Euroleague, 99% of what you post in comparing Euroleague and NBA players and the leagues themselves is opinion, not fact. So quit acting like everything you say when comparing the two is indisputable fact.

Guy's gonna pop a foofa valve if he keeps getting so mad :roll: