Who's better?: Nets vs Clipper?

[G-Funk]

D-will & Brook team vs CP3 & Griffin team..Fire off

[SpecialQue]

The team that made the playoffs last season.

[GreatHILL]

dwill is better than cp3 but griff is better than brook, i say clipps team is better than the nets... lol

[bagelred]

:roll: What a ridiculous question!!!!:roll:


Who's better? Isn't it obvious? So ridiculous....I'm not even gonna answer it.

[DStebb716]

clippers..

[shaunliv]

dwill is better than cp3 but griff is better than brook, i say clipps team is better than the nets... lol

Dwill better than CP3? :coleman:

[G-Funk]

:roll: What a ridiculous question!!!!:roll:


Who's better? Isn't it obvious? So ridiculous....I'm not even gonna answer it. :rolleyes:
dont

[It's A VC3!!!]

The team that made the playoffs last season.

What does that have to do with the Nets vs Clippers THIS YEAR? Oh, you wanted to sound cool by stating that the Clippers made the playoffs while the Nets did not.:facepalm

I'm not intimidated by the Clippers. The Nets beat them once last year with a shit roster and they are the better team. The Clippers are extremely dangerous but my pick goes to a healthy Nets.

[qrich]

One will be competing for the third seed in the West. The other will be battling for a playoff spot period in the weaker East.

[SpecialQue]

What does that have to do with the Nets vs Clippers THIS YEAR? Oh, you wanted to sound cool by stating that the Clippers made the playoffs while the Nets did not.:facepalm

Everything I post on InsideHoops is to make myself sound cool.

[BlackVVaves]

The Clippers will have a better season and be a more feared team.

As for the actual match-up, well it's interesting.

Center position = Nets
Power Forward position = Clippers
Small Foward position = Nets
Shooting Guard position = Nets
Point Guard position = pretty much tied, or Clippers by a couple hairs

Bench = Clippers
Coach = ? they both suck as far as I'm concerned

[alwaysunny]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrIRDYUWIAQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfzvtIZUiq4

Should be a great matchup this season.

[Clippersfan86]

What does that have to do with the Nets vs Clippers THIS YEAR? Oh, you wanted to sound cool by stating that the Clippers made the playoffs while the Nets did not.:facepalm

I'm not intimidated by the Clippers. The Nets beat them once last year with a shit roster and they are the better team. The Clippers are extremely dangerous but my pick goes to a healthy Nets.

:biggums: . I was one of the biggest defenders of the Nets on this forum this offseason so obviously I like and respect what they have put together. That being said they are not on the tier of the Clippers who have a legit chance to emerge as an unquestioned title contender and perennial contender this year.

[senelcoolidge]

This is silly. Who's better Hawks vs Kings? Nets have done nothing. They sucked last season. A team might look good on paper but that means nothing. Wait for the season to end.

[alwaysunny]

This is silly. Who's better Hawks vs Kings? Nets have done nothing. They sucked last season. A team might look good on paper but that means nothing. Wait for the season to end.

Just because they were hit with injuries and left with mediocre players we can't discuss who the better team is? I do think Clippers are better right now but your reasoning sucks and your post is sillier.

[senelcoolidge]

Just because they were hit with injuries and left with mediocre players we can't discuss who the better team is? I do think Clippers are better right now but your reasoning sucks and your post is sillier.

Clippers were hit with injuries last season too.

[SpecialQue]

Clippers were hit with injuries last season too.

:lebronamazed:

[nycelt84]

This thread is an insult to the Clippers who are on the verge of being title contenders while the Nets are mostly likely going to be a #5 seed at best.

[Clippersfan86]

This thread is an insult to the Clippers who are on the verge of being title contenders while the Nets are mostly likely going to be a #5 seed at best.

Exactly what I'm saying. Nets have great potential and should be a good team that grabs a mid seed but if they played in the west they would be the 7th best team maybe. They need a year or two to build chemistry and hopefully Robin Lopez will start rebounding better.

[alwaysunny]

Clippers were hit with injuries last season too.

lol please. try losing 2nd best player on the team for the entire season..while the 3rd best being acquired later part of the season. Last time I checked Blake didn't miss a game.

[Clippersfan86]

lol please. try losing 2nd best player on the team for the entire season..while the 3rd best being acquired later part of the season. Last time I checked Blake didn't miss a game.

I understand losing 2nd best player but don't forget the Clippers had to integrate TEN new players last season with no training camp. 3 were acquired two weeks or less before season started and a few more were added during the season .

Clippers had their 3rd best player out all but 19 games last season as well in a MUCH tougher conference. With Billups the Clippers were the 2nd seed in the WEST and number 1 offense in the league. Without him they finished 5th. Billups>Lopez in terms of on the court impact that this stage IMO. Lopez is a great scorer but his rebounding, defense and impact are subpar.

[kurt_rambis]

this is like asking who's the better rapper jay z or donald sterling

[alwaysunny]

I understand losing 2nd best player but don't forget the Clippers had to integrate TEN new players last season with no training camp. 3 were acquired two weeks or less before season started and a few more were added during the season (3 were added in free agency, 2 drafted).

Clippers had their 3rd best player out all but 19 games last season as well in a MUCH tougher conference. With Billups the Clippers were the 2nd seed in the WEST and number 1 offense in the league. Without him they finished 5th. Billups>Lopez in terms of on the court impact that this stage IMO. Lopez is a great scorer but his rebounding, defense and impact are subpar.

Didn't stop me from thinking they would be a lot better than they were last season. Griffin got in a minor sophomore slump and DeAndre's potential is starting to look like an illusion. Just like how people say Nets are unproven, Clippers aren't title contenders until I see significant improvement. Let's wait a year to see how these 2 teams really pan out.

[qrich]

Blake against Jersey last year: 25.5 Points | 15.5 Rebounds | 2.5 Assists on 18/30 shooting (60%) in 39 minutes. And he should continue that this year. Who's going to stop him, Brook? Reggie?

[G-Funk]

This year is gonna be completely different for the Nets, I dunno why y'all are holding on to last season. This Nets team is gonna be a lot different than last years.

[Clippersfan86]

Didn't stop me from thinking they would be a lot better than they were last season. Griffin got in a minor sophomore slump and DeAndre's potential is starting to look like an illusion. Just like how people say Nets are unproven, Clippers aren't title contenders until I see significant improvement. Let's wait a year to see how these 2 teams really pan out.

Considering the coach, 10 new players and so many injuries.... the Clippers beating a very good Memphis team and getting to the 2nd round is right in line with expectations for most people if not slightly better. You don't have to say the Clippers are a title contender.. you just have to see that they are better than the Nets if you're being logical. Nets literally didn't make the playoffs last year and now they can be better right away than a team that made the 2nd round last year banged up as hell?

I'm all for waiting things out with Spurs, Lakers, Thunder, Nuggets, Grizzlies but not teams that didn't make the playoffs last year and that we haven't seen play together yet. Not logical to throw borderline contender or contender in with a team that didn't make playoffs last year.

[IGOTGAME]

Blake against Jersey last year: 25.5 Points | 15.5 Rebounds | 2.5 Assists on 18/30 shooting (60%) in 39 minutes. And he should continue that this year. Who's going to stop him, Brook? Reggie?

Nets don't really have to worry about that. unless they meet in the finals they will only play each other a couple of times. With that said, I think Clippers should be the better team. But, Clippers could lose in the first round because of the immense talent discrepancy between conferences. On the other hand, I could see the Nets making a deep playoff run depending on matchups.

[MiamiThrice]

Is this topic a joke?

The Clippers are close to elite status while the Nets are Eastern Conference first round fodder.

[coin24]

Nets are kind of like the clippers from last year, lot of new pieces and question marks..
I'll wait to see them play before deciding. Same with the clippers, when they have there full roster available..

[ncrizzle]

Better Topic: America vs. North Korea

[Fiasco]

Cavs.

[bagelred]

:rolleyes:
dont

don't what? why would answer an obvious question? we all know who the better team is.......

Sigh........clearly the better team is the one with the best PG in the league.

[Whoah10115]

I just read Avery Johnson say that one of Joe Johnson/Deron Williams has to be on the floor at all times, as he doesn't think they can afford to go without one of the two at all times...he said they don't plan on running a true 2nd unit this year...



:roll:

[colorz]

What have the Nets done to be put in the same tier as the Clippers?

[magnax1]

Probably depends on their benches. They both have the potential to be one of the best benches in the NBA, but they also have some players who might not play up to their potential.

[clipps]

This thread is stupid. Oh wait... This is ISH. i shouldn't expect anything different.. Ban me now

[NugzFan]

This thread is stupid. Oh wait... This is ISH. i shouldn't expect anything different.. Ban me now

yes! this!

[DirtySanchez]

If take the Clippers. Team is deeper and I got CP3 over DWill.

[D12"Magic"]

I just read Avery Johnson say that one of Joe Johnson/Deron Williams has to be on the floor at all times, as he doesn't think they can afford to go without one of the two at all times...he said they don't plan on running a true 2nd unit this year...



:roll:
Nets did the same thing with Kidd and VC.

The starters match up well. While I could see this Nets team getting a regular season win against the Clips. Clips are the better team

[pegasus]

Clippers, of course. BUT, assuming everyone stays healthy and the players gel by then, I could see the Nets beating the Clippers in a best-of-seven series in June (NBA Finals?:eek: )

I'm also not sure how CP3 and Griffin will respond to the new flopping rules. I don't think there is enough time for them to adjust 50% of their game before the season starts.:D

[wang4three]

Eh, the Clippers are probably better but I don't see the reason for all the hoopla over them. Borderline contenders? Please. CP3's the best PG in the league, but they're not close to LAL, OKC, MIA, or maybe even Boston.

[swi7ch]

Cliffers

[Noof]

Everything I post on InsideHoops is to make myself sound cool.
Why did I laugh at this post. Probably because it's so cool.

[b0bab0i]

Clippers

[Clippersfan86]

Eh, the Clippers are probably better but I don't see the reason for all the hoopla over them. Borderline contenders? Please. CP3's the best PG in the league, but they're not close to LAL, OKC, MIA, or maybe even Boston.

:biggums: :roll:

[Bandito]

:biggums: . I was one of the biggest defenders of the Nets on this forum this offseason so obviously I like and respect what they have put together. That being said they are not on the tier of the Clippers who have a legit chance to emerge as an unquestioned title contender and perennial contender this year.
unquestionednt title contender? isnt that what you said last year?

[wang4three]

:biggums: :roll:

You don't even know who's on the Nets' team.


Exactly what I'm saying. Nets have great potential and should be a good team that grabs a mid seed but if they played in the west they would be the 7th best team maybe. They need a year or two to build chemistry and hopefully Robin Lopez will start rebounding better.

Aside from the fact that you're the most blatant Clippers fanboy on the site, you've lost your credibility the moment you posted.

[niko]

Clippers clearly.

[Clippersfan86]

You don't even know who's on the Nets' team.



Aside from the fact that you're the most blatant Clippers fanboy on the site, you've lost your credibility the moment you posted.

Uh... obviously I meant Brook. How does a typo alter my credibility? Try again Wang.

[Clippersfan86]

unquestionednt title contender? isnt that what you said last year?

I said have a CHANCE TO EMERGE as one, not that they are right now. No I never said they were last year. I said 2nd round exit and that's exactly what happened :confusedshrug: .

[intrinsic]

I just read Avery Johnson say that one of Joe Johnson/Deron Williams has to be on the floor at all times, as he doesn't think they can afford to go without one of the two at all times...he said they don't plan on running a true 2nd unit this year...



:roll:

I must be missing the funny in this post. A staggered pattern of substitution is not a new concept.

[ChuckOakley]

Clippers, though don't be surprised to see the Nets have a comparable regular season record since the West is so deep.

However, both are 2nd round teams at best so it doesn't really matter.

[ChuckOakley]

Uh... obviously I meant Brook. How does a typo alter my credibility? Try again Wang.
I typo would be Vook Lopez (the V is near the B) referring to his brother who has a completely different name and completely different game and is on another team is not a typo. It's not being familiar with a roster or player.

[Clippersfan86]

I typo would be Vook Lopez (the V is near the B) referring to his brother who has a completely different name and completely different game and is on another team is not a typo. It's not being familiar with a roster or player.

Uh.... what? I'm very familiar with pretty much every roster in the league and know that Robin is on the Hornets, was on Suns last year. Also know that Lopez has been a career Net. It's obvious trolling to question credibility over that.

[Mr Know It All]

Nets would not even make the playoffs in the West (may not make the playoffs in the East actually). Lopez is the worst contract in the league, and he's on a starting lineup with two others who can challenge him for that (JJ, Gerald Wallace).

Nets fans are in for a rude awakening this year.

[ChuckOakley]

Blake against Jersey last year: 25.5 Points | 15.5 Rebounds | 2.5 Assists on 18/30 shooting (60%) in 39 minutes. And he should continue that this year. Who's going to stop him, Brook? Reggie?
He can't stop Hump apparently.

14.5/12.5 on 58% and Kris is 4-3 vs. Griffin on NJ.

[Clippersfan86]

Nets would not even make the playoffs in the West (may not make the playoffs in the East actually). Lopez is the worst contract in the league, and he's on a starting lineup with two others who can challenge him for that (JJ, Gerald Wallace).

Nets fans are in for a rude awakening this year.

They have nice potential but I agree THIS year they are in for a rude awakening with expectations like this. I also agree that in the west Nets would be a 7-8 seed at best this first year. Clippers got the 5 seed, 1 back from the 3 seed last year in their first year together, in the west. As I said this question is a joke. Similar to the Grizzlies to Cavs comparison that wasn't as big of a hit.

[niko]

I typo would be Vook Lopez (the V is near the B) referring to his brother who has a completely different name and completely different game and is on another team is not a typo. It's not being familiar with a roster or player.

The irony...

[ChuckOakley]

Uh.... what? I'm very familiar with pretty much every roster in the league and know that Robin is on the Hornets, was on Suns last year. Also know that Lopez has been a career Net. It's obvious trolling to question credibility over that.
Apparently you don't know what a typo is then.

[ChuckOakley]

The irony...
Or an example.
:D

[Clippersfan86]

He can't stop Hump apparently.

14.5/12.5 on 58% and Kris is 4-3 vs. Griffin on NJ.

2011-2012 Nets record: 22-44.
2011-2012 Clippers record: 40-26.

[niko]

Or an example.
:D
I typo you made a typo? :confusedshrug: Don't get it but WHATEVER!

I kind of like the Nets fans are mixing it up with everyone. :rant Brooklyn Anger. Very retro...

[ChuckOakley]

They have nice potential but I agree THIS year they are in for a rude awakening with expectations like this. I also agree that in the west Nets would be a 7-8 seed at best this first year. Clippers got the 5 seed, 1 back from the 3 seed last year in their first year together, in the west. As I said this question is a joke. Similar to the Grizzlies to Cavs comparison that wasn't as big of a hit.
Who has what expectations exactly?
I wasn't aware a casual fan or two in ISH spoke for all fans and their expectations.

Me... 45-50 wins, 1st or 2nd round exit.

Yours for LA are what?

[ChuckOakley]

I typo you made a typo? :confusedshrug: Don't get it but WHATEVER!

I kind of like the Nets fans are mixing it up with everyone. :rant Brooklyn Anger. Very retro...
It was a joke Niko... geeshh.. did you lose your sense of humor since I was here last? You gotta leave these parts.

[ChuckOakley]

2011-2012 Nets record: 22-44.
2011-2012 Clippers record: 40-26.
thanks, most people can read standings.. not everyone looks up head to head.
I was replying to those that wondered how BK could stop Griffin, but it seems Griffin should worry about stopping Hump and the Nets who have a winning record against him.

[Clippersfan86]

Who has what expectations exactly?
I wasn't aware a casual fan or two in ISH spoke for all fans and their expectations.

Me... 45-50 wins, 1st or 2nd round exit.

Yours for LA are what?

2nd round exit at worst, pretty good shot for WCF for the Clippers. 45-50 wins would give the Nets a top 3 turnaround in win differential in NBA history last I checked along with Kidd's Nets and Nash's Suns. Bottom line is... winning 40 (which is playoffs in east usually) would be a great improvement for the Nets. Lopez and Humphries don't seem to have good synergy at all and we have to see if Joe bounces back because he's been a no show when it counts the last few seasons.

[niko]

It was a joke Niko... geeshh.. did you lose your sense of humor since I was here last? You gotta leave these parts.

:D Be funny. I laugh. Not Be Funny. I no laugh. :mad:

IM BROOKLYN DAMNIT! IM ALL ABOUT THE VIOLENCE AND THE TOUGHNESS OF NY! I WEAR BLACK AND WHITE ONLY...COLORS ARE FOR WOMEN!

[Clippersfan86]

thanks, most people can read standings.. not everyone looks up head to head.
I was replying to those that wondered how BK could stop Griffin, but it seems Griffin should worry about stopping Hump and the Nets who have a winning record against him.

My point was.... H2H by either players or teams doesn't mean dick in opposite conferences. Not sure what QRich was saying but this thread is obviously an insult to the Clippers. When the Clippers won 19 games I wouldn't have made a thread about them vs the Lakers just because they added a nice player (who isn't an all star anymore). Basically they retained their players and traded for JJ who's been declining and all the sudden expect 20-30 win turnaround? Nets will be very nice for the next 5+ years but I know first hand that it takes time to really build something. Can't expect immediate turnaround from adding a player like Johnson. Add a Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Chris Paul (win percentage wise he's up there) who have 3 of the best team turnarounds in NBA history who impact the game on every level sure.

[ChuckOakley]

2nd round exit at worst, pretty good shot for WCF for the Clippers. 45-50 wins would give the Nets a top 3 turnaround in win differential in NBA history last I checked along with Kidd's Nets and Nash's Suns. Bottom line is... winning 40 (which is playoffs in east usually) would be a great improvement for the Nets. Lopez and Humphries don't seem to have good synergy at all and we have to see if Joe bounces back because he's been a no show when it counts the last few seasons.
This team has almost no resemblance to last year's team. 40 wins would be a major disappointment.
Any sort of avatar bet you want to make?
You think they win 40 games is it?

[ChuckOakley]

My point was.... H2H by either players or teams doesn't mean dick in opposite conferences. Not sure what QRich was saying but this thread is obviously an insult to the Clippers. When the Clippers won 19 games I wouldn't have made a thread about them vs the Lakers just because they added a nice player (who isn't an all star anymore). Basically they retained their players and traded for JJ who's been declining and all the sudden expect 20-30 win turnaround?
They bear almost no resemblance to last year's team.

The only players that played over 40 games....

D.Will / Gaines
Morrow / Brooks
Stevenson
Humphries / Jordan W.
Sehelden W. / Petro

Lopez - 5 games
G.Wallace - 16 games


Compared to this year

D.Will / Watson / Taylor
JJ / Brooks / Bogans
G.Wallace / Childress / Shengelia
Humphries / Teletovic / Evans
Lopez / Blatche


See the differences?

[niko]

This team has almost no resemblance to last year's team. 40 wins would be a major disappointment.
Any sort of avatar bet you want to make?
You think they win 40 games is it?
41 over under. You say over, he says under, 41 is the push. I am the witness. Both cut your hands and drip the blood on your pc to make it official. One month avi bet.

[niko]

They bear almost no resemblance to last year's team.

The only players that played over 40 games....

D.Will / Gaines
Morrow / Brooks
Stevenson
Humphries / Jordan W.
Sehelden W. / Petro

Lopez - 5 games
G.Wallace - 16 games


Compared to this year

D.Will / Watson / Taylor
JJ / Brooks / Bogans
G.Wallace / Childress / Shengelia
Humphries / Teletovic / Evans
Lopez / Blatche


See the differences?

You do know Lopez coming back is a positive but the fact he played 5 games with stress related injuries is a huge negative. It's not like someone ran into him and he had a freakish injury. His foot snapped from his own weight.

[ChuckOakley]

41 over under. You say over, he says under, 41 is the push. I am the witness. Both cut your hands and drip the blood on your pc to make it official. One month avi bet.
Hell yeah!!!
Count me in!

You down Clippersfan86?

[Clippersfan86]

This team has almost no resemblance to last year's team. 40 wins would be a major disappointment.
Any sort of avatar bet you want to make?
You think they win 40 games is it?

I didn't say 40 max, I said 40 is a more realistic goal, I'd say 42 max. Your starting 5 by the end of last season if healthy and not tanking would have had 4 of the same starters bro. Lopez had the foot injuries or w/e but was still your center. Wallace was acquired in a trade before trade deadline. Deron was your starting PG. Humphries was your starting PF. Marshon Brooks was your best bench player along with Gerald Green. What's changed drastically? Green is with the Pacers, Johnson was brought in but the core of your team is still identical pretty much.

[ChuckOakley]

You do know Lopez coming back is a positive but the fact he played 5 games with stress related injuries is a huge negative. It's not like someone ran into him and he had a freakish injury. His foot snapped from his own weight.
Yeah.. I know... it's the only concern I really have right now about the team reaching 50 games and the 2nd round. I still think they could win 41 games without him. Are you trying to steer me away from the bet?

[Clippersfan86]

I'll do month long avy bet for 42 being their max win total. So if they hit 43+ you win.

[ChuckOakley]

I didn't say 40 max, I said 40 is a more realistic goal, I'd say 42 max. Your starting 5 by the end of last season if healthy and not tanking would have had 4 of the same starters bro. Lopez had the foot injuries or w/e but was still your center. Wallace was acquired in a trade before trade deadline. Deron was your starting PG. Humphries was your starting PF. Marshon Brooks was your best bench player along with Gerald Green. What's changed drastically? Green is with the Pacers, Johnson was brought in but the core of your team is still identical pretty much.
Ok ok, you're right we suck

41 win avi bet?

Over I win, under you win.

[niko]

Yeah.. I know... it's the only concern I really have right now about the team reaching 50 games and the 2nd round. I still think they could win 41 games without him. Are you trying to steer me away from the bet?
Haha, no....its was aimed at you but not really aimed at you, i hear from the Net fans on this board a lot that LOPEZ IS BACK! like it's a given. He might very well be fine all year but i think people ignore that he really might not.

[ChuckOakley]

I'll do month long avy bet for 42 being their max win total. So if they hit 43+ you win.
Why not 40?
You said that was a realistic goal I thought?

[Eric Cartman]

They are both solid teams with underrated pieces, what tilts the scale to the Clippers side for me is having an additional superstar to complement CP3 + all that experience from last year. A niece combination of young upcoming players and veterans. Don't like Deandre Jordan at all though, should've let GSW deal with that situation.

The Nets have many questions. For a large part of last year Deron Williams was playing like straight up garbage. Add in the fact that Brook Lopez is coming from injuries. The may need a year to get acclamaited to each other to become a possible contender, which the Clippers arguably are.

[Clippersfan86]

Ok ok, you're right we suck

41 win avi bet?

Over I win, under you win.

Naw Nets don't suck they just need to prove something with this core and have a year of experience together before the expectations go too high. You guys didn't acquire Chris Paul, you acquired Joe Johnson.

[ChuckOakley]

Haha, no....its was aimed at you but not really aimed at you, i hear from the Net fans on this board a lot that LOPEZ IS BACK! like it's a given. He might very well be fine all year but i think people ignore that he really might not.
I'm not optimistic at all.. much more of a pessimistic/realist than most fans.. you should know this about me by now.

[Clippersfan86]

Fine we can do 41 wins. So 41 or less and I win?

[ChuckOakley]

Naw Nets don't suck they just need to prove something with this core and have a year of experience together before the expectations go too high. You guys didn't acquire Chris Paul, you acquired Joe Johnson.
Yup, I agree. All we added was JJ and I'm delusional for thinking they can win more than 45 games... in fact .500 should be our goal like you said.

So meet in the middle.. 41 games..1 month AVI bet with Niko the witness.
In?

[ChuckOakley]

Fine we can do 41 wins. So 41 or less and I win?
I think 41 should be a wash like Niko said.
1 month as soon as the regular season ends.

[Clippersfan86]

I think 41 should be a wash like Niko said.
1 month as soon as the regular season ends.

I don't get it. So they have to win 40 games or less for me to win? I personally think they will win 41-42 so why would I take that bet? I said 40 is a more realistic goal, doesn't mean it's my personal prediction. I think 40-42 is where they will finish.

[ChuckOakley]

I don't get it. So they have to win 40 games or less for me to win? I personally think they will win 41-42 so why would I take that bet? I said 40 is a more realistic goal, doesn't mean it's my personal prediction. I think 40-42 is where they will finish.
If 42 is your max, it means you don't think they will probably reach it.. so why should I bet it?

You said 40 should be their goal.. why would their goal be something others expect them to get? Shouldn't their goal be higher and to exceed expecations? It sounds like you thought 40 would be a good season exceeding expectations.. thus it is a goal in your eyes.

[niko]

If 42 is your max, it means you don't think they will probably reach it.. so why should I bet it?

You said 40 should be their goal.. why would their goal be something others expect them to get? Shouldn't their goal be higher and to exceed expecations? It sounds like you thought 40 would be a good season exceeding expectations.. thus it is a goal in your eyes.

cough (he's scared) cough....

If the Nets win 40-42 games (about) I'm curious the fan reaction because the casual fan in Brooklyn is being painted a picture of a team that is much better than the Knicks, and plans to contend. That they are REALLY good. The truth is more to me they are trying to build a contender, but most importantly building a culture that will allow them to build consistent good teams. But the thing being sold is not that, it's YOU HAVEN'T HAD A GOOD TEAM ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER - DON'T WORRY! THE NETS ARE HERE!

[Clippersfan86]

If 42 is your max, it means you don't think they will probably reach it.. so why should I bet it?

You said 40 should be their goal.. why would their goal be something others expect them to get? Shouldn't their goal be higher and to exceed expecations? It sounds like you thought 40 would be a good season exceeding expectations.. thus it is a goal in your eyes.

Yea not the teams goal, the fans realistic expectation before knowing anything about the teams chemistry and how quickly they gel. 40-42 range which is a big difference from the 45-50 or w/e you said.

[ChuckOakley]

Yea not the teams goal, the fans realistic expectation before knowing anything about the teams chemistry and how quickly they gel. 40-42 range which is a big difference from the 45-50 or w/e you said.
Fair enough....

41 and under, you win
42 and higher, I win.

1 month Avy right after the regular season ends.

Deal?

[niko]

Fair enough....

41 and under, you win
42 and higher, I win.

1 month Avy right after the regular season ends.

Deal?
May god have mercy on your souls...

[Clippersfan86]

Fair enough....

41 and under, you win
42 and higher, I win.

1 month Avy right after the regular season ends.

Deal?

Deal.

[ChuckOakley]

Deal.
BTW... how many wins do you expect for the Clips?
You said second round or better.
I'm assuming you think 3rd seed and 54 wins roughly.

[ChuckOakley]

May god have mercy on your souls...
You want in?

How many W's do you predict?

[Clippersfan86]

BTW... how many wins do you expect for the Clips?
You said second round or better.
I'm assuming you think 3rd seed and 54 wins roughly.

Hmm... 3 seed at best, probably 4th though. I think 50-52 wins probably. Lakers will get around 60 as will Thunder.

[MTing]

Chuck I'm curious what picture you're gonna pick when you win the bet.

Just messing

[ChuckOakley]

Hmm... 3 seed at best, probably 4th though. I think 50-52 wins probably. Lakers will get around 60 as will Thunder.
Ok, I think your Clipper projections are perfectly reasonable. And I understand why you think what you do about the Nets... they have a lot to prove, but I think you will be surprised, even if mildly so.

[tpols]

Clips are better right now because they have the proven chemistry, but the Nets are a far more talented team.

The Nets have a lot of the same names from last year but its the timing that changes everything.

We didnt have Gerald Wallace to start.. we had joey graham and that Damien James guy(? I think thats his name.. they both suck)

We had Anthony 'cant dribble' morrow to start..

We had johan Petro and Shelden Williams at the C..

All of those offensively pathetic positions were replaced with legit offensive firepower in the form of Joe johnson, Brook Lopez, and Gerald Wallace.

And most of all, they are all healthy and ready to go from the start where as the Nets had nothing to play for all last year because of their terrible beginning to the season. By the time Wallace and Brook started balling again we were out and Deron was seriously looking disinterested and like he was gonna leave us.

The mentality and timing coming into this year is actually more important than any one player that was picked up.

[ChuckOakley]

Chuck I'm curious what picture you're gonna pick when you win the bet.

Just messing
I got plenty of time to figure it out
:pimp:


(waits for the Nets to be decimated by injuries for the 2nd year in a row where they lost the most games to injury, had the most staring line-ups, most players lost to season ending injuries, had the most d-league call-ups.. and looks like a fool)

[ChuckOakley]

Clips are better right now because they have the proven chemistry, but the Nets are a far more talented team.

The Nets have a lot of the same names from last year but its the timing that changes everything.

We didnt have Gerald Wallace to start.. we had joey graham and that Damien James guy(? I think thats his name.. they both suck)

We had Anthony 'cant dribble' morrow to start..

We had johan Petro and Shelden Williams at the C..

All of those offensively pathetic positions were replaced with legit offensive firepower in the form of Joe johnson, Brook Lopez, and Gerald Wallace.

And most of all, they are all healthy and ready to go from the start where as the Nets had nothing to play for all last year because of their terrible beginning to the season. By the time Wallace and Brook started balling again we were out and Deron was seriously looking disinterested and like he was gonna leave us.

The mentality and timing coming into this year is actually more important than any one player that was picked up.
We are far from being more talented than the Clippers.

CP3 is the best PG in the league and Griffin is much better than any big man we have. Add to those two near perfect role players like JC, G.Hill and Odom off the bench and Billups, Butler and Jordan in the starting line-up and you see why that is the case.

Clippers have two things going against them.. they play in the uber-competitive West which is not only deep as hell, but has OKC and LAL. The other thing they have to worry about is the age/fragility of many of their players. But healthy, this team is top 6... behind LAL and Miami... maybe behind Boston and OKC and on par with SAS.

[Clippersfan86]

Ok, I think your Clipper projections are perfectly reasonable. And I understand why you think what you do about the Nets... they have a lot to prove, but I think you will be surprised, even if mildly so.

:cheers: as I said I actually love the core they have put together. If Lopez becomes a more aggressive rebounder and defender, Humphries works on his defense and JJ buys right in by next year (2013-2014) they can absolutely be a top 3 seed in east. I just think it will take a year of mistakes/rough patches to sort it out.

[ChuckOakley]

:cheers: as I said I actually love the core they have put together. If Lopez becomes a more aggressive rebounder and defender, Humphries works on his defense and JJ buys right in by next year they can absolutely be a top 3 seed in east. I just think it will take a year of mistakes/rough patches to sort it out.
I don't think it will take long. They all assembled first thing and every single player other than Brooks, JJ and Taylor chose to be there as they were all free agents.

Other thing to note, this team is all about the now in Brooklyn. They have Humphries' massive 2 year contract as well as all future first rounders and 2 Euro-stash players that they will move during the season if they can for an upgrade even if it means taking on more salary.

From reports in training camp Blatche has been in best mode and he is a major risk vs. reward player for us.. where even if Lopez goes down (my main worry right now), I'm glad he's there to place a band-aid over the hole at Center.

Is this team a contender?
No. But for year 1 in Brooklyn I think they are off to a great start.

42+ wins seems likes a sure thing to me.

[Kevin_Garnett_5]

Clippers easily. The Nets are the 4th best team in the Atlantic division.

[Droid101]

Nets might end up with a better record... but that's easy to do in the east.

Clippers are a better team top to bottom I think.

[ChuckOakley]

Clippers easily. The Nets are the 4th best team in the Atlantic division.
Another person up for an Avatar bet?
How many wins do you give them?

Love this!

[ChuckOakley]

He can't stop Hump apparently.

14.5/12.5 on 58% and Kris is 4-3 vs. Griffin on NJ.
BTW.. that should say Humphries and the Nets are 3-1 against LAC the last two seasons.
My bad.

[Kevin_Garnett_5]

Another person up for an Avatar bet?
How many wins do you give them?

Love this!
I'll give them no more than 45 wins.

[RoseCity07]

Clippers. Net's only look good on paper. If they could trade their front court for an elite or close to elite level power forward then they would have real promise.

They need a low post threat that can really put up numbers. I think Amare would do better in NJ than NY. He'd be a player I'd sign for about a half of what he is getting paid now. He needs a point guard like Deron Williams to get him easy looks. He can't excel next to a first class chucker like Carmelo Anthony.

[ChuckOakley]

I'll give them no more than 45 wins.
Oh.. NVM that's kind of where I put them.

You think 45 wins is 4th in the Atlantic?

Personally, I'm not drinking the Philly Kool-aid at all. They improved their long term outlook tremendously but took a step back short term IMO when they lost their leading scorer and 6MOY candidate (L.Williams), leading rebounder (Brand), leading passer and best defensive player (Iggy), all solid vets, and replaced them with rather young, untested, albeit talented, players.

I like Bynum but it seems insane the love they are getting. Bynum has to stay healthy, prove he can handle double and triple team and the pressure of being the man. Even then... Bynum, Kobe and Gasol were only on pace for about 52 wins last season.. seems a stretch that Bynum, Turner and Holiday gets close to 50, IMO.

[ChuckOakley]

Clippers. Net's only look good on paper. If they could trade their front court for an elite or close to elite level power forward then they would have real promise.

They need a low post threat that can really put up numbers. I think Amare would do better in NJ than NY. He'd be a player I'd sign for about a half of what he is getting paid now. He needs a point guard like Deron Williams to get him easy looks. He can't excel next to a first class chucker like Carmelo Anthony.
I think Amare would look great in NJ too... as in away from the team.
:D

But yeah.. who's to say they don't trade

Hump
Lopez
Brooks
Any of their future 1sts (they have all of them)
Any of their Euro-stash
Cash
Take back as much salary as possible

to land that upgrade up front?
I hope they target J.Smith, Milsap, Jefferson to name a few.

[niko]

I think Amare would look great in NJ too... as in away from the team.
:D

But yeah.. who's to say they don't trade

Hump
Lopez
Brooks
Any of their future 1sts (they have all of them)
Any of their Euro-stash
Cash
Take back as much salary as possible

to land that upgrade up front?
I hope they target J.Smith, Milsap, Jefferson to name a few.

Lopez isn't a good tradable asset, he's a player with a possible dengenerative injury on a max deal in his first year of deal.

As far as Nets i think 42-46 is their range. Better only if someone takes a quantum leap (lopez, brooks, etc.) which i doubt, or worse if the team doesn't like Avery (which is why i don't like the Blatche pickup, Avery has enough new pieces to fit, including that dickwad in the mix doesn't help). Playoff mix though without a doubt.

I think though the common thought is the Nets are a lock playoff team, probable top 4 seed. Which i think is a stretch.

[RoseCity07]

I think Amare would look great in NJ too... as in away from the team.
:D

But yeah.. who's to say they don't trade

Hump
Lopez
Brooks
Any of their future 1sts (they have all of them)
Any of their Euro-stash
Cash
Take back as much salary as possible

to land that upgrade up front?
I hope they target J.Smith, Milsap, Jefferson to name a few.


Yeah I'm not fan of Amare either. As a basketball player he has a losing mentality. He's not really a low post threat either. I'm just saying that NJ has enough defense there and the right point guard for that to work. He doesn't have to look out for Gerald Wallace getting his shots. He can run pick and roll all day with Deron Williams and slack off on defense like everyone knows he loves doing.

[ChuckOakley]

Lopez isn't a good tradable asset, he's a player with a possible dengenerative injury on a max deal in his first year of deal.

As far as Nets i think 42-46 is their range. Better only if someone takes a quantum leap (lopez, brooks, etc.) which i doubt, or worse if the team doesn't like Avery (which is why i don't like the Blatche pickup, Avery has enough new pieces to fit, including that dickwad in the mix doesn't help). Playoff mix though without a doubt.

I think though the common thought is the Nets are a lock playoff team, probable top 4 seed. Which i think is a stretch.
Where is this common thought of a probably top 4 seed?
A lock for the playoffs sure.

[ChuckOakley]

Yeah I'm not fan of Amare either. As a basketball player he has a losing mentality. He's not really a low post threat either. I'm just saying that NJ has enough defense there and the right point guard for that to work. He doesn't have to look out for Gerald Wallace getting his shots. He can run pick and roll all day with Deron Williams and slack off on defense like everyone knows he loves doing.
Oh no.. there is not enough defense.. esp not in NJ... nor in Brooklyn. That's our biggest concern (along with Brook's foot) by a mile. Amare is a worse defender than Hump or Lopez IMO.. not what we need.

[niko]

Where is this common thought of a probably top 4 seed?
A lock for the playoffs sure.

You're reasonably pessimistic compared to the common viewpoint of the Net fanbase, the people on this board, the people i know outside of this board, and the media in general. Nets are rated pretty highly. Not that it's impossible but the range of expectations is closer to 3 to 6 than 4 to 8ish (which is what i would say). People expect the Nets to be good.

[RoseCity07]

Deron Williams, Joe Johnson, and Gerald Wallace are not good defenders? I admit I'm assuming Joe Johnson is a good defender because he has always been a starter rather than a 6th man. He's not a good enough scorer to be an all-star. There has to be some defense in there somewhere.

[ChuckOakley]

You're reasonably pessimistic compared to the common viewpoint of the Net fanbase, the people on this board, the people i know outside of this board, and the media in general. Nets are rated pretty highly. Not that it's impossible but the range of expectations is closer to 3 to 6 than 4 to 8ish (which is what i would say). People expect the Nets to be good.
I feel like most experts have them 5 which is right where I rate them in the East.

Miami - 60+ wins
Boston - 54 wins
Indy - 52 wins
NYK - 49 wins
BK - 47 wins
Chicago - 44 wins
Philly - 43 wins
???
I like Washington until Wall went down, so maybe the Bucks or Hawks.

My best guesses.

But otherwise..of course Net fans on a message board will over-hype their team. Just like Knick fans will and Celtic fans and Sixer fans.. etc.

[ChuckOakley]

Deron Williams, Joe Johnson, and Gerald Wallace are not good defenders? I admit I'm assuming Joe Johnson is a good defender because he has always been a starter rather than a 6th man. He's not a good enough scorer to be an all-star. There has to be some defense in there somewhere.
I should expand.. interior defense is a major concern as is rebounding. Hump is a top 5 rebounder in the league and Lopez has at least been top 10 in blocked shots twice already. I fear the defense and rebounding Amare would bring.

[RoseCity07]

I should expand.. interior defense is a major concern as is rebounding. Hump is a top 5 rebounder in the league and Lopez has at least been top 10 in blocked shots twice already. I fear the defense and rebounding Amare would bring.

At first I thought you were saying Amare was a good rebounder and defender. The wording of the last sentence had me confused for a second lol.

[Clippersfan86]

Wallace is the only proven good defender in their main rotation. Deron, Johnson, Lopez and Humphries are all subpar defensively. I love Crash though and what he brings.

[bd#1pguard]

GUYS GUYS make sure you dont forget MIRZA TELETOVIC!!!! He will surprise many, he's like kevin love without that many rebounds

[ChuckOakley]

Wallace is the only proven good defender in their main rotation. Deron, Johnson, Lopez and Humphries are all subpar defensively. I love Crash though and what he brings.
Deron is a very capable defender as is JJ.. Humphries has the tools to be good defensively (not the brain) and Lopez is the big question mark this year. He can play good post D and block shots, but put him in a pick and roll or draw him to the perimeter and add two points to the scoreboard.

But if the team plays defense.. it will be as a team buying in, giving effort and the bench players keeping up the intensity which I think Watson, Bogans and Evans can do.

I don't expect them to be a top 10 defensive team, but I'm hoping for at least an average team.. however if they somehow can add an interior defender like Smith or Varejo, than they can move up.

[ChuckOakley]

GUYS GUYS make sure you dont forget MIRZA TELETOVIC!!!! He will surprise many, he's like kevin love without that many rebounds
I forgot about him already.

Actually... I don't know.. his shooting could help, but he won't see the court if he can't rebound or play D. I think that signing had Dwight in mind the entire time.. not Lopez.

[bd#1pguard]

I forgot about him already.

Actually... I don't know.. his shooting could help, but he won't see the court if he can't rebound or play D. I think that signing had Dwight in mind the entire time.. not Lopez.

oh no worries youll get reminded each time he has that 10 pts in 10 min spurt and by season's end is a starter.

[ChuckOakley]

oh no worries youll get reminded each time he has that 10 pts in 10 min spurt and by season's end is a starter.
Lopez and Teletovic would average a combined 12 rpg and while they might score 30ppg, they would give up 40.

I don't mind him as a spark plug off the bench, playing next to Evans or Hump who can rebound the ball.. but not as a starter.. unless we had a dominant rebounder and defender next to him... like that guy in LA.

[bd#1pguard]

Lopez and Teletovic would average a combined 12 rpg and while they might score 30ppg, they would give up 40.

I don't mind him as a spark plug off the bench, playing next to Evans or Hump who can rebound the ball.. but not as a starter.. unless we had a dominant rebounder and defender next to him... like that guy in LA.

the dude gets about 8 rebounds a game in euroleague and the qualifiers for the eurobasket. he's not a horrible rebounder by any means. and f dwight you need to get over that i know it hurts deep inside (thats what she said) but everything will be allright.

whether you like it or not he will start by the end of the season either because of injuries or because the coach is gonna realize that "hey this guy sucks" and sit hump down.

avy bet?

[MTing]

I got plenty of time to figure it out
:pimp:


(waits for the Nets to be decimated by injuries for the 2nd year in a row where they lost the most games to injury, had the most staring line-ups, most players lost to season ending injuries, had the most d-league call-ups.. and looks like a fool)
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that happens. Injuries have been pretty bad for us the last few years. But we gotta feel optimistic.

Brook's foot is probably what worries me the most. Watching Yao Ming and Big Z, foot injuries have plagued them most of their careers. I just hope Brook doesn't go down the same road as them.

And I think Tele is the X-Factor of our team. If he plays well off the bench, we have one of the most offensively talented lineups in the league (D-Will, JJ, Wallace, Tele, Lopez). I can see him taking some minutes away from Hump down the stretch of games for offensive purposes.

[ChuckOakley]

the dude gets about 8 rebounds a game in euroleague and the qualifiers for the eurobasket. he's not a horrible rebounder by any means. and f dwight you need to get over that i know it hurts deep inside (thats what she said) but everything will be allright.

whether you like it or not he will start by the end of the season either because of injuries or because the coach is gonna realize that "hey this guy sucks" and sit hump down.

avy bet?
No.. because like you said, if he's starting it might be because of injuries. He is not a good pairing with Lopez. If anyone takes the starting spot from Hump (besides someone we trade for) it will be Blatche.

[MTing]

the dude gets about 8 rebounds a game in euroleague and the qualifiers for the eurobasket. he's not a horrible rebounder by any means. and f dwight you need to get over that i know it hurts deep inside (thats what she said) but everything will be allright.

whether you like it or not he will start by the end of the season either because of injuries or because the coach is gonna realize that "hey this guy sucks" and sit hump down.

avy bet?
Hump's starting job is pretty secure. The Nets aren't going to swallow $12 million a year just for Hump to sit on the bench. He was the most consistent player on our team last year averaging 14 and 11. We need the defense and rebounding that he brings night in and night out. Putting up points isn't going to be the problem, defense is. So like you said, unless he gets hurt, I can't see Avery benching him.

[ChuckOakley]

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if that happens. Injuries have been pretty bad for us the last few years. But we gotta feel optimistic.

Brook's foot is probably what worries me the most. Watching Yao Ming and Big Z, foot injuries have plagued them most of their careers. I just hope Brook doesn't go down the same road as them.

And I think Tele is the X-Factor of our team. If he plays well off the bench, we have one of the most offensively talented lineups in the league (D-Will, JJ, Wallace, Tele, Lopez). I can see him taking some minutes away from Hump down the stretch of games for offensive purposes.
Our Achilles is not offense.. it will be defense. If we are in a close game we need rebounds and defense. That's not what he provides. For the final play down 2 or 3 maybe, not a 4th quarter.

As for Brook, yes he is my biggest concern but...
1. His brother had the same break and has been fine
2. We supposedly revamped our strength and conditioning team because of what happened last season
3. If we were by far the most injury plagued team last season, you gotta think our fortunes reverse some this year
4. We have a much more talented and deeper team than last year.. we can actual overcome the usual injury or two.

[chains5000]

Teletovic will have to adjust to the NBA game, but he could be a pleasant surprise for Nets fans.

[ChuckOakley]

Teletovic will have to adjust to the NBA game, but he could be a pleasant surprise for Nets fans.
Hopefully it won't take too long. He's 27 and we have him under contract for 3 years. And he essentially cost us fan favorite Gerald Green.

[MTing]

Our Achilles is not offense.. it will be defense. If we are in a close game we need rebounds and defense. That's not what he provides. For the final play down 2 or 3 maybe, not a 4th quarter.
Totally agree. Hump's not gonna get benched for Tele. All I'm saying is if we need points down the stretch I would put him in because his jumper is a lot smoother then Hump's and he's been creating his own shot for a few years now as one of his leagues best scorers.


As for Brook, yes he is my biggest concern but...
1. His brother had the same break and has been fine
2. We supposedly revamped our strength and conditioning team because of what happened last season
3. If we were by far the most injury plagued team last season, you gotta think our fortunes reverse some this year
4. We have a much more talented and deeper team than last year.. we can actual overcome the usual injury or two.

It still concerns me though. Foot injuries linger for big men.

[bd#1pguard]

i am so confident that he becomes a starter by the end of the season, that I will take an avy bet for a month each for everyone who wants to take it, that even without injuries he will become a starter by seasons end

[ChuckOakley]

Totally agree. Hump's not gonna get benched for Tele. All I'm saying is if we need points down the stretch I would put him in because his jumper is a lot smoother then Hump's and he's been creating his own shot for a few years now as one of his leagues best scorers.



It still concerns me though. Foot injuries linger for big men.
Me too.. but I think we can survive without him at the same time. Blatche has been playing very well in training camp supposedly, so between him, Hump, Evans and Teletovic I think they can man the fort OK. Though I still wish we also signed Darko or Harrelson.

Granted we lose any hope of real success w/o Lopez, but unlike last season we could at least stay in the playoffs.

[ChuckOakley]

i am so confident that he becomes a starter by the end of the season, that I will take an avy bet for a month each for everyone who wants to take it, that even without injuries he will become a starter by seasons end
Well, my avy is tied up for a month after the season (potentially) otherwise I would think about it.

IF he does end up starting (and it's not because of injuries) that means he's rebounding and playing D.. I hope it happens.

[bd#1pguard]

Well, my avy is tied up for a month after the season (potentially) otherwise I would think about it.

IF he does end up starting (and it's not because of injuries) that means he's rebounding and playing D.. I hope it happens.

me too. end of convo. just wanted to make sure he wasnt forgotten about. mission accomplished.

[MTing]

Me too.. but I think we can survive without him at the same time. Blatche has been playing very well in training camp supposedly, so between him, Hump, Evans and Teletovic I think they can man the fort OK. Though I still wish we also signed Darko or Harrelson.

Granted we lose any hope of real success w/o Lopez, but unlike last season we could at least stay in the playoffs.
Agreed. I would feel much better if we signed a traditional big man. I didn't like the thought of playing Dray and Evans as back ups to Brook but it is what it is I suppose. Hopefully Blatche turns into our new Gerald Green.

[COnDEMnED]

2nd round exit at worst, pretty good shot for WCF for the Clippers. 45-50 wins would give the Nets a top 3 turnaround in win differential in NBA history last I checked along with Kidd's Nets and Nash's Suns. Bottom line is... winning 40 (which is playoffs in east usually) would be a great improvement for the Nets. Lopez and Humphries don't seem to have good synergy at all and we have to see if Joe bounces back because he's been a no show when it counts the last few seasons.
Holy delusional, Batman! I guess I see things more realistic. Clippers arent getting past the second round, at best. Championship comes out of the Eastern Conference once again. OKC, SAS or Lakers in WCF.

[senelcoolidge]

Nets are being over hyped to heck..I guess they have to sell tickets. A new look franchise. Get the hype machine going. They will be better than last season, but please they won't be competition to the Heat, Bulls (healthy), Celtics, and other better Eastern Teams. So comparing them to one of the better Western teams is kind of insulting to the Western Conference and the Clippers. The Nets should have a nice team and if they draft well and get good players to go there they could have a good future.

[It's A VC3!!!]

Was reading the interesting thread and a few points to make.

1. Lopez definitely won't get traded because his contract has a trade kicker included. Meaning if Lopez gets traded, the team that gets him gives him 15% of his salary up front. This was a way to persuade Lopez to not sign Portlands or Charlottes offer sheet. We basically assured him that he will be a Net for years to come.

2. For those that say the Nets are virtually the same, leave the board because you're clearly not a knowledgable fan. The Nets had a demotivated Deron Williams with Humphries and MarShon Brooks as his only supporting cast. Now they have a super motivated Williams, Joe Johnson, Gerald Wallace for a full season, Humphries, and hopefully a healthy Brook Lopez. This an entirely new starting lineup. Their bench is vastly improved as well. Last year we only had MarShon and Morrow. This year we have Brooks, Watson, Mirza ( who will put 6-8 PPG ON 45+% ), Keith Bogans ( who had a DPOY vote in 2011) Blatche and Childress. The Nets have more new players then returning players.

I wasn't fully aware that the Nets were 3-1 against the Clippers last year. Same thing should happen this year.

[Clippersfan86]

Was reading the interesting thread and a few points to make.

1. Lopez definitely won't get traded because his contract has a trade kicker included. Meaning if Lopez gets traded, the team that gets him gives him 15% of his salary up front. This was a way to persuade Lopez to not sign Portlands or Charlottes offer sheet. We basically assured him that he will be a Net for years to come.

2. For those that say the Nets are virtually the same, leave the board because you're clearly not a knowledgable fan. The Nets had a demotivated Deron Williams with Humphries and MarShon Brooks as his only supporting cast. Now they have a super motivated Williams, Joe Johnson, Gerald Wallace for a full season, Humphries, and hopefully a healthy Brook Lopez. This an entirely new starting lineup. Their bench is vastly improved as well. Last year we only had MarShon and Morrow. This year we have Brooks, Watson, Mirza ( who will put 6-8 PPG ON 45+% ), Keith Bogans ( who had a DPOY vote in 2011) Blatche and Childress. The Nets have more new players then returning players.

I wasn't fully aware that the Nets were 3-1 against the Clippers last year. Same thing should happen this year.

Yes and the Clippers will finish with a better record and deeper playoff run and you can celebrate a 2-0 series win if you want. It was 4-1 over two seasons, including one loss in 2011 where Clippers had lead with 30 seconds and Farmer hit huge 3. The other loss was when the Clippers had no Baron or Eric Gordon. Enjoy them though :cheers: .

[Nets fan 93]

Love the nets and don't think they are over hyped at all. But I think the clippers will be better more chemistry and deep deep team.

[MTing]

Yes and the Clippers will finish with a better record and deeper playoff run and you can celebrate a 2-0 series win if you want. It was 4-1 over two seasons, including one loss in 2011 where Clippers had lead with 30 seconds and Farmer hit huge 3. The other loss was when the Clippers had no Baron or Eric Gordon. Enjoy them though :cheers: .
I'm going to the game in November between the Clippers and the Nets. Wanna make a avatar bet for that game? Loser wears the avy for a month?

[Clippersfan86]

I'm going to the game in November between the Clippers and the Nets. Wanna make a avatar bet for that game? Loser wears the avy for a month?

Why would I bet a 1 month avy over a single game :hammerhead: . Clippers will go deeper in the playoffs and finish with a better record, that's all I care about.

[MTing]

Why would I bet a 1 month avy over a single game :hammerhead: . Clippers will go deeper in the playoffs and finish with a better record, that's all I care about.
Okay:oldlol: 3 weeks then.
I don't know just for fun its just an avatar bet. We used to do it for single games all the time.

[longtime lurker]

Clippers win this. As overrated as Blake Griffin there's quite a large gap between him and the Nets 2nd best player.

[Fiasco]

Everyone knows I like D-Will more than CP3, but this question is a joke. Even if you take Deron over Chris, you can't take the rest of the Nets over the Clippers.

[SpecialQue]

Everyone knows I like D-Will more than CP3, but this question is a joke. Even if you take Deron over Chris, you can't take the rest of the Nets over the Clippers.

I didn't know this.

[Fiasco]

I didn't know this.

:(

[G-train]

Many things factor into team success in the NBA. You need a great starting 5, and an adequate bench of suitable role players. You need good coaching, good buy in on defensive schemes, and players accepting roles. You need good ownership, and good team management.
I think the Nets have a slightly better combination of the above and will be more successful by the end of the season.
The Nets might even have the second seed in the East.

Even if you think Clippers, its not by much.
The Nets have 3 great players in their starting lineup, and one good one.
They have 2 or 3 good support role players. Depth beyond that is overrated in the NBA.
Brooks in particular will be great off the bench.
They have ownership/management/coaching demanding excellence over dollars, over everything. They will be great, particulary post all star break, barring injury.

[wang4three]

Uh... obviously I meant Brook. How does a typo alter my credibility? Try again Wang.

A very blatant and erroneous typo. Regardless, your position as the ultimate Clipper fanboy makes you the least of objective opinions. In fact, I spent the rest of my day not even here because it would've been a waste of my time reading your responses. I while I scan through your various posts.. yeah I was right. They're not worth it.

The Clippers are not a borderline contender team.

[Fiasco]

The Clippers are not a borderline contender team.

Agreed, they are complete contenders.

[G-train]

Agreed, they are complete contenders.

The title contenders are the Heat, Lakers and Thunder, and possibly Spurs.
Clippers are in the tier below, and at this point (in preseason) it seems it would be an upset for them to make the WCF.
There isn't much between Clippers, Denver, Memphis IMO.
Reality is the Clippers could have been out in first round last season. They weren't, but it wasn't far off.
I think the additions they made in Crawford/Odom/Barnes/Hill/turiaf aren't that great in 2012. I think internal development from Griffin/Jordan/Bledsoe is the key to take next step. And to be honest I don't know much more those players will improve. Happy for Clippers fans if they do improve alot as overall players.

[Fiasco]

The title contenders are the Heat, Lakers and Thunder, and possibly Spurs.

Well, I disagree.


Clippers are in the tier below, and at this point (in preseason) it seems it would be an upset for them to make the WCF.

Because they lost to the Nuggets? I don't follow your logic. Nothing has been established at this point, other than the fact that the Clippers have added very good pieces to support their star players.


There isn't much between Clippers, Denver, Memphis IMO.

Interested in your reasoning on this.


Reality is the Clippers could have been out in first round last season. They weren't, but it wasn't far off.

Reality is that the Clippers had major injuries to their 3 best players and they still made it past a healthy Grizzlies team in 7 games.


I think the additions they made in Crawford/Odom/Barnes/Hill/turiaf aren't that great in 2012.

I can't speak objectively on Odom because I hate him. All signs point to Crawford reemerging into the player he was in Atlanta (or something similar). Hill isn't a star but he is the consistent veteran the Clippers needed with the departure of Kenyon. Barnes is the 9th player in the rotation, at best, and Turiaf is inarguably crap.


I think internal development from Griffin/Jordan/Bledsoe is the key to take next step. And to be honest I don't know much more those players will improve. Happy for Clippers fans if they do improve alot as overall players.

Generally, players improve after their sophomore years in the league. It's not really a stretch to say Griffin will only get better from here... he's repeatedly stated the entire summer was spent focusing on his weaknesses. Deandre Jordan has said similar things... and Bledsoe's game against Denver really speaks for itself (yes, I'm aware it was the preseason). If all the cards fall right for the Clippers, they are pretty damn good. And the odds suggest they will.

[wang4three]

Agreed, they are complete contenders.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but they're not. There is a whole level of teams that are clearly and overwhelmingly better than them. Lakers. Miami. OKC. There is no question that the Clippers are not among those three. Then there's teams that are probably better than them: Boston and San Antonio. So really... that's 5 teams above them. They're not contenders. Sorry if it hurts your feelings.

[Fiasco]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but they're not. There is a whole level of teams that are clearly and overwhelmingly better than them. Lakers. Miami. OKC. There is no question that the Clippers are not among those three. Then there's teams that are probably better than them: Boston and San Antonio. So really... that's 5 teams above them. They're not contenders. Sorry if it hurts your feelings.

Why would your opinion hurt my feelings?

[Clippersfan86]

Eric Bledsoe and DJ have improved leaps and bounds this summer and people will see. Griffin obviously should improve. Those 3 plus CP3 who's 26 is an incredible core.

[Clippersfan86]

Fiasco 5 best players injured and 10 new players yet still beat so called darkhorse Grizzlies who had home court.

[TeamLAC]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but they're not. There is a whole level of teams that are clearly and overwhelmingly better than them. Lakers. Miami. OKC. There is no question that the Clippers are not among those three. Then there's teams that are probably better than them: Boston and San Antonio. So really... that's 5 teams above them. They're not contenders. Sorry if it hurts your feelings.
Nothing you say will ever hurt anyones feelings lmao

[ChuckOakley]

Fair enough....

41 and under, you win
42 and higher, I win.

1 month Avy right after the regular season ends.

Deal?

Regretting this bet at all Clippersfan86?

Just wanna keep it on the radar :D

[Clippersfan86]

Regretting this bet at all Clippersfan86?

Just wanna keep it on the radar :D

Not really. Nets haven't had thr most difficult schedule but they are a good team anyways which I never disagreed with.

[ChuckOakley]

Not really. Nets haven't had thr most difficult schedule but they are a good team anyways which I never disagreed with.
They have not had the toughest schedule, but they also haven't built any chemistry, but they finally are defensively. Also, JJ and D.Will have played miserably on offense, I don't think can play worse offensively and thus can only get better.

So you still think they are .500 team or worse?
To me a .500/sub .500 team in the East is not very good.

[IGOTGAME]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but they're not. There is a whole level of teams that are clearly and overwhelmingly better than them. Lakers. Miami. OKC. There is no question that the Clippers are not among those three. Then there's teams that are probably better than them: Boston and San Antonio. So really... that's 5 teams above them. They're not contenders. Sorry if it hurts your feelings.
Clippers are better than the Lakers. Lakers are not a good team.

[Nets fan 93]

They have not had the toughest schedule, but they also haven't built any chemistry, but they finally are defensively. Also, JJ and D.Will have played miserably on offense, I don't think can play worse offensively and thus can only get better.

So you still think they are .500 team or worse?
To me a .500/sub .500 team in the East is not very good.
Deron said he is playing with a sprained right wrist (which is his shooting hand) so we'll probably see his shooting woes to continue. Johnson has been very inconsistent though :/

[qrich]

Bored bump.



Why would your opinion hurt my feelings?

Why Fiasco get banned? I'm going to cry now.



What does that have to do with the Nets vs Clippers THIS YEAR? Oh, you wanted to sound cool by stating that the Clippers made the playoffs while the Nets did not.:facepalm

I'm not intimidated by the Clippers. The Nets beat them once last year with a shit roster and they are the better team. The Clippers are extremely dangerous but my pick goes to a healthy Nets.



Sorry to burst your bubble, but they're not. There is a whole level of teams that are clearly and overwhelmingly better than them. Lakers. Miami. OKC. There is no question that the Clippers are not among those three. Then there's teams that are probably better than them: Boston and San Antonio. So really... that's 5 teams above them. They're not contenders. Sorry if it hurts your feelings.


:roll:

[Clippersfan86]

Eh, the Clippers are probably better but I don't see the reason for all the hoopla over them. Borderline contenders? Please. CP3's the best PG in the league, but they're not close to LAL, OKC, MIA, or maybe even Boston.

:applause: This man is a fu**ing genius. Better than the Lakers and Celtics easily and right there with the Spurs, Heat and Thunder.

[G-train]

Interesting thread.