Rick Carlisle: "Barca Is An NBA Team"

[Euroleague]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/basketball/nba/wires/10/09/2030.ap.bko.barcelona.mavericks.1st.ld.writethru.0 451/

Rick Carlisle:

"Barca is a great team. I admire the way they pass, move the ball, cut and make screens. They had the advantage the whole game. Barca is an NBA team.''

[Y2Gezee]

The Worst NBA team in history

[Heavincent]

So he's basically saying they're too good for the scrub ass Euroleague.

I think you shot yourself in the foot there.

[Euroleague]

Lots of clowns on this forum just got owned. Like the 95% of the forum that claims not a single Euroleague team is good enough to play in the NBA.

Especially considering that several Euroleague teams are better than Barca is.

But what does Rick Carlisle know about basketball? No, the ISH trolls knows better than he does, and obviously know more about basketball than him.

Take for example, guys lie Nick Young and gabepizza - clearly they are the authority on the subject, and know better than Carlisle does.

[Euroleague]

So he's basically saying they're too good for the scrub ass Euroleague.

I think you shot yourself in the foot there.

That's funny, since plenty of Euroleague teams are better than Barca is.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Yep. I'd go as far to say even a playoff team. Barca has a few NBA vets and prospects. Juan Carlos Navarro (past his prime) played nowhere near 100% and dropped 18pts with ease.

[Y2Gezee]

Its amazing what people can convince themselves to believe.

[Euroleague]

Barca 99 - Dallas Mavericks 85

Should have been 101 - 85, but the refs wrongly took away a basket from Barca.

Box Score:

http://www.nba.com/games/20121009/DALFCB/gameinfo.html?ls=gt2hp0011200018

[Heavincent]

Barca 99 - Dallas Mavericks 85

Should have been 101 - 85, but the refs wrongly took away a basket from Barca.

Box Score:

http://www.nba.com/games/20121009/DALFCB/gameinfo.html?ls=gt2hp0011200018

Too bad preseason is completely meaningless.

[outbreak]

There's afew euro teams that would be good enough to make the play offs in the NBA imo. They'd need to adjust their plays and maybe add a player here or there though.
But basing it off pre season and acting like it's a big deal makes you look like a wanker.

Going by pre season Atlanta will be a lock for the ring this year hey, I mean they pumped Miami and pre season is serious business am I right?

[Euroleague]

Its amazing what people can convince themselves to believe.

Yeah, you are a shining example of someone that is totally delusional.

[Euroleague]

Too bad preseason is completely meaningless.

Too bad you and every single other NBA only fan in this forum claimed all the games the NBA teams won counted and were "proof that the NBA is better than the Euroleague".

Too bad you are a bunch of hypocrites and too bad you are a bunch of retards that don't know when to shut the hell up.

[REACTION]

So are the Bobcats though.

[Euroleague]

There's afew euro teams that would be good enough to make the play offs in the NBA imo. They'd need to adjust their plays and maybe add a player here or there though.
But basing it off pre season and acting like it's a big deal makes you look like a wanker.

Going by pre season Atlanta will be a lock for the ring this year hey, I mean they pumped Miami and pre season is serious business am I right?

Right...that's why 95% of this forum claimed it was "proof" that the NBA is "vastly superior to the Euroleague" when NBA teams won the same "meaningless preseason games".

You dumb asses are such a ****ing joke. It's "proof the NBA is better" when the NBA wins one of these games, but the second the NBA loses one of these games, it's, "these games don't count".

GTFO

Mavs and their coach were giving everything they had to win that game in the second half. The coach was pissed ass **** that they lost.

Vince Carter played harder in the 4th quarter than he did in 98% of the games he played in his NBA career.

"Meaningless"....

STFU

[SpecialQue]

Everyone on ISH: "Euroleague is a shitty poster."

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Right...that's why 95% of this forum claimed it was "proof" that the NBA is "vastly superior to the Euroleague" when NBA teams won the same "meaningless preseason games".

You dumb asses are such a ****ing joke. It's "proof the NBA is better" when the NBA wins one of these games, but the second the NBA loses one of these games, it's, "these games don't count".

GTFO

Mavs and their coach were giving everything they had to win that game in the second half. The coach was pissed ass **** that they lost.

Vince Carter played harder in the 4th quarter than he did in 98% of the games he played in his NBA career.

"Meaningless"....

STFU

:biggums:

Calm down dude, it's just a game. :oldlol:

[SourPatchKids]

So are the Bobcats though.
http://gifs.gifbin.com/6401703g69.gif

[Euroleague]

So are the Bobcats though.

In name only. The Bobcats would go 0-10 in Euroleague. The Bobcats are a perfect example of why the NBA should consider contraction.

[Euroleague]

Everyone on ISH: "Euroleague is a shitty poster."

You are a shit eater.

[SourPatchKids]

http://www.scouting4u.com/upload/scout2win/leagues/158/Euroleague.jpg


Hey Euroleague, ain't it about time for an avy change? Fresh new look for the new season does wonders to change people's opinions of you.

White Euroleague Movement

[KG215]

There's afew euro teams that would be good enough to make the play offs in the NBA imo. They'd need to adjust their plays and maybe add a player here or there though.
But basing it off pre season and acting like it's a big deal makes you look like a wanker.

Going by pre season Atlanta will be a lock for the ring this year hey, I mean they pumped Miami and pre season is serious business am I right?

This. Kinda doubt any of them would be serious championship contenders, or more than first or second round playoff fodder, but I'm sure some of the better Euroleague teams could not only hang in the NBA, but make the playoffs. I only saw the fourth quarter of the game but, I will admit, I was impressed with some of what I saw. Their ball movement and passing was exceptional.

But, since the OP is quick to flood ISH with excuses every time a Euroleague team loses to an NBA team....

Dallas did not have Dirk. It may not have made that much of a difference because his minutes would've been limited and I'm not sure he would've made them 15 points better in that particular game; but it probably would've been a more competitive game had he actually played 25-30 minutes.

Dallas is still incorporating a lot of new players. Off the top of my head, Elton Brand, O.J. Mayo, Chris Kaman, and Darren Collison, along with rookies Jared Cunningham and Jae Crowder. They're not a completely different team (some of the key pieces are the same) but they're new enough where you can't expect them to have even decent chemistry during the second preseason game. And yes, I'm sure Barcelona has some new players as well, I'm just putting that out there.

Factor those things in with the game being on Barca's home floor and the fact that Barca is actually a quality team, and this one game shouldn't be vindication for the OP's agenda. Of course he posted the boxscore and same quotes in three or four different threads and started a new thread to post the same things to, I guess, try and prove a point.

And now I'm sure Euroleague will attack me with "you're a lying psychotic racist" riddled posts telling me Barca was far from their best today and why they could've actually won by even more.

[maybeshewill13]

Barca 99 - Dallas Mavericks 85

Should have been 101 - 85, but the refs wrongly took away a basket from Barca.

Box Score:

http://www.nba.com/games/20121009/DALFCB/gameinfo.html?ls=gt2hp0011200018

No Dirk. CONGRATS THEY BEAT CHRIS KAMAN! :roll:

Euroleague you sure showed us!! :sleeping

[Euroleague]

This. Kinda doubt any of them would be serious championship contenders, or more than first or second round playoff fodder, but I'm sure some of the better Euroleague teams could not only hang in the NBA, but make the playoffs. I only saw the fourth quarter of the game but, I will admit, I was impressed with some of what I saw. Their ball movement and passing was exceptional.

But, since the OP is quick to flood ISH with excuses every time a Euroleague team loses to an NBA team....

Dallas did not have Dirk. It may not have made that much of a difference because his minutes would've been limited and I'm not sure he would've made them 15 points better in that particular game; but it probably would've been a more competitive game had he actually played 25-30 minutes.

Dallas is still incorporating a lot of new players. Off the top of my head, Elton Brand, O.J. Mayo, Chris Kaman, and Darren Collison, along with rookies Jared Cunningham and Jae Crowder. They're not a completely different team (some of the key pieces are the same) but they're new enough where you can't expect them to have even decent chemistry during the second preseason game. And yes, I'm sure Barcelona has some new players as well, I'm just putting that out there.

Factor those things in with the game being on Barca's home floor and the fact that Barca is actually a quality team, and this one game shouldn't be vindication for the OP's agenda. Of course he posted the boxscore and same quotes in three or four different threads and started a new thread to post the same things to, I guess, try and prove a point.

And now I'm sure Euroleague will attack me with "you're a lying psychotic racist" riddled posts telling me Barca was far from their best today and why they could've actually won by even more.

You and trolls like gabepizza are the ones making up excuses. Like how when the NBA wins these games count as proof of superiority, but then they lose it is just a meaningless preseason game.

The entire game will be uploaded to YouTube and you can watch it there. Watch it and grasp that several teams in Euroleague are better than Barca. Grasp that Navarro was playing injured and that Barca was even playing some teenagers and guys from their B team in the game.

Then maybe, just maybe, you can see the light. Or you can keep believing what proven liars like Grinder and gabepizza say.

This is the problem. People like you make comments without even having seen the Euroleague. Ad you have no ****ing clue as to what the **** you are talking about.

But you go off calling anyone that does know about it trolls and liars. If you actually did follow Euroleague you would know how ****ing ridiculous this forum is and what huge clowns guys like Nick Young are.

[Euroleague]

No Dirk. CONGRATS THEY BEAT CHRIS KAMAN! :roll:

Euroleague you sure showed us!! :sleeping


The Mavs, with Dirk, beat Alba Berlin, one of the suckiest teams in Euroleague (finished 5th place last year in the German League)...........by a whopping 5 points, 89 - 84.

Congrats, Mavs (with Dirk), you really showed that 5th placed German League team.

[Kevin Love]

georgios bartzokas, the coach of the euroleague champions, said that they would at best finish 12th in the east and that spanoulis was not good enough to play in the nba


http://i47.tinypic.com/3bed4.png

LAWL

[tmacattack33]

Don't feed the troll.

Even though right now there are no NBA games to talk about, we don't want to give this guy any attention now, because he'll keep posting when the NBA season starts...cluttering our board with posts about Juan Carlos Navarro and N Kristic.

[ihoopallday]

I think everyone here just hates on Euroleague because it's the "cool thing to do". I actually find some his posts interesting. He does make some valid points sometimes. Too bad most people on here automatically disregard someone's posts based on their rep.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I think everyone here just hates on Euroleague because it's the "cool thing to do". I actually find some his posts interesting. He does make some valid points sometimes. Too bad most people on here automatically disregard someone's posts based on their rep.

This. Dude can get a little nutty (see some posts above), but a lot of his posts are actually informative. Shit, I looked up Euroleague's history and regular season schedule because of him. :oldlol:

[outbreak]

This. Dude can get a little nutty (see some posts above), but a lot of his posts are actually informative. Shit, I looked up Euroleague's history and regular season schedule because of him. :oldlol:

Some of what he says is good info I agree and some points are valid. But the way he goes about making his points and arguing every little detail without conceding anything is what makes people hate him. Even when someone agrees with him he usually finds something to argue back about. It's always Euro league vs the whole board and only he knows everything.

[Kevin Love]

This. Dude can get a little nutty (see some posts above), but a lot of his posts are actually informative. Shit, I looked up Euroleague's history and regular season schedule because of him. :oldlol:

how about insulting people in almost every post?
how about making up fake quotes and facts and spreading them as facts?
how about the wild, contrived conspiracy theories?

are those informative? the idiot is singlehandedly making people disrespect the euroleague and european basketball overall

[JGXEN]

Lakas never fails to crack me up :oldlol:

[gabepizza]

When it is all said and done Euroleague was 2-6 against NBA teams this preseason, 2-2 in Europe and 0-4 in the US, including loses by 30 and 29 while the NBA's biggest lose was 14. Not bad for Euroleague but 2-6 is no where close to being successful.

[KG215]

You and trolls like gabepizza are the ones making up excuses. Like how when the NBA wins these games count as proof of superiority, but then they lose it is just a meaningless preseason game.
Not once have I said that and not once have I ever quoted and agreed with anything gabepizza says. Not that I completely agree or disagree with him, but I've never sided with him.

These games don't prove much of anything in my opinion. It doesn't prove the NBA is clearly superior but, at some point, their 44-9 record (or whatever it is. I'm just guessing because I'm not 100% sure) in these preseason/exhibition games has to say something doesn't it?


The entire game will be uploaded to YouTube and you can watch it there. Watch it and grasp that several teams in Euroleague are better than Barca. Grasp that Navarro was playing injured and that Barca was even playing some teenagers and guys from their B team in the game.

Then maybe, just maybe, you can see the light. Or you can keep believing what proven liars like Grinder and gabepizza say.
See what light? I could watch 1,000 Euroleague games and it'd take something monumental for me to believe it's superior to the NBA.

I'm actually someone you could classify as a basketball "purist" so I might actually like the style of play in Euroleague better, but I'm not going to think the players are better than the players in the NBA. I have seen enough premiere European players in the Olympics and whatnot for me to know LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Dwight Howard, Kobe Bryant, etc. are better than the best Euroleague players. There's a reason the very best European players find their way to the NBA and stay here.


This is the problem. People like you make comments without even having seen the Euroleague. Ad you have no ****ing clue as to what the **** you are talking about.
And you're extremely ignorant and blinded by your hate for the NBA. You make outlandish claims that tell me I don't need to watch a bunch of Euroleague games to know you're talking out of your ass.

When you make statements like "Ricky Rubio is one of the worst Euroleague players of the last decade"; "Josh Childress is the worst player of whatever team he played for of the last decade"; and "Spanoulis is, at the very least, the third best player in the world" like they're all indisputable facts when they're the very definition of an opinion I'm going to have an extremely hard time taking anything you say seriously.


But you go off calling anyone that does know about it trolls and liars. If you actually did follow Euroleague you would know how ****ing ridiculous this forum is and what huge clowns guys like Nick Young are.
Please, show me a post where I've called you a liar or troll? Seriously, find a post of mine where I've called you a liar. Just because I disagree with something you say does not mean I'm calling you a liar.

If you'd actually take off the blinders yo have that don't allow you to see anything that's not pro-Euroleague, and read some of my posts, I've said I do believe some o the better Euroleague teams could compete in the NBA. I just can't assume they'd be NBA championship contenders when a lot of the former NBA players on their rosters were journeymen or 10th-12th men over here. That may be ignorant, but when arguably the best team in the league is starting Joey Dorsey at center, it's hard to believe they're as good as you claim when comparing them to NBA teams.

And yes, I'm aware that (apparently) being a starter means nothing in Euroleague. But Joey Dorsey is still a main rotation player, is he not?

[Euroleague]

Not once have I said that and not once have I ever quoted and agreed with anything gabepizza says. Not that I completely agree or disagree with him, but I've never sided wit him.

These games don't prove much of anything in my opinion. It doesn't prove the NBA is clearly superior however, at some point, though, their 44-9 record (or whatever it is. I'm just guessing because I'm not 100% sure) in these preseason/exhibition games has to say something doesn't it?


See what light? I could watch 1,000 Euroleague games and it'd take something monumental for me to believe it's superior to the NBA.

I'm actually someone you could classify as a basketball "purist" so I might actually like the style of play in Euroleague better, but I'm not going to think the player are better than the players in the NBA. I have seen enough premiere European players in the Olympics and whatnot for me to know LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Dwight Howard, Kobe Bryant, etc. are beter than the best full-time Euroleague player. There's a reason the very best European players find their way to the NBA and stay here.


And you're extremely ignorant and blinded by your hate for the NBA. You make outlandish claims that tell me I don't need to watch a bunch of Euroleague games to know you're talking out of your ass.

When you make statements like "Ricky Rubio is one of the worst Euroleague players of the last decade"; "Josh Childress is the worst player of whatever team he played for of the last decade"; and "Spanoulis is, at the very least, the third best player in the world" like they're all indisputable facts when they're the very definition of an opinion.


Please, show me a post where I've called you a liar or troll? Seriously, find a post of mine where I've called you a liar. Just because I disagree with something you say does not mean I'm calling you a liar.

If you'd actually take off the blinders yo have that don't allow you to see anything that's not pro-Euroleague, and read some of my posts, I've said I do believe some o the better Euroleague teams could compete in the NBA. I just can't assume they'd be NBA championship contenders when a lot of the former NBA players on their rosters were journeymen or 10th-12th men over here. That may be ignorant, but when arguably the best team in the league is starting Joey Dorsey at center, it's hard to believe they're as good as you claim when comparing them to NBA teams.

And yes, I'm aware that (apparently) being a starter means nothing in Euroleague. But Joey Dorsey is still a main rotation player, is he not?

The record is 42-9, not 44-9. And before gabepizza tries to distort it, Maccabi Haifa isn't a Euroleague team. They were actually the last placed team from the Israeli League last year.

But I am sure that he will try to claim them as a Euroleague team soon.

The Olympics has nothing to do with the NBA or the Euroleague. Anyone that says that does not understand even the most basic of logic.

The very best European players do not play in the NBA. That's a fantasy, a myth, and untrue. SOME of them do. MOST of them don't.

The vast majority of Euroleague fans think Rubio and Childress were absolutely HORRIBLE Euroleague players. I am talking about facts and truth, you are making up a nonsense fantasy land.

Numerous NBA starters and 6th man from NBA playoff teams (the previous season or same season) have SUCKED in Euroleague or lower level European leagues, the next or same season.

Many "good NBA players" were total scrubs in Euroleague or lower level European leagues.

You are just totally making up whatever bullshit suits your argument and then accusing me of doing exactly what you are doing.

As for Joey Dorsey, he's every bit as good or better than prime Ben Wallace. He just didn't a chance in the NBA that was fair. Kind of how like Ben Wallace was pretty much one step above a scrub when he played in Europe, then got used differently in the NBA, and was seen as one of the best centers in the NBA.

Dorsey is almost as good as Wallace at defense, and better at offense, but he's not as good at rebounding though. But he can do the SAME exact thing, 4 points and 4 rebounds a game, in 12-15 minutes a game, with good defense, in the NBA that he does in the Euroleague.

If you can't grasp that, then you obviously don't know as much about basketball as you think you do.

And I have NEVER once seen any NBA fan ever give a single ration, logical, or true reason as to how Lawson, Jennings, Dragic, and Rubio were all scrubs in Euroleague, but look so good in the NBA, if the NBA is, "oh so superior", as they claim it is.

NEVER EVER NEVER has a single NBA fan ever been able to explain this with even one shred of truth or legitimacy. Go ahead and list all the players you want, and I can name 2-3 from the NBA that sucked in Euroleague or lower level European leagues, and 2-3 that sucked in Euroleague or lower level European leagues, and were good in the NBA. 2-3 for every 1 that you can name.

Nothing you are saying actually means anything, because it's all just myths and bullshit. If you actually watched Euroleague you would know that, as you would have seen so many NBA players suck there and so many average or bad players from there do good in the NBA.

But you don't watch it, but you just come with all these myths and legends that NBA only fans just created in their own imaginations, and pass them off as fact, while then claiming anyone disputing that is some kind of nut.

[winwin]

georgios bartzokas, the coach of the euroleague champions, said that they would at best finish 12th in the east and that spanoulis was not good enough to play in the nba


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LAWL
:roll:

[I<3NBA]

celebrating a non-bearing game is kind of stupid. we've seen what Europe can do in the Olympics. not good enough.

[BlueandGold]

I think that Euroleague actually hates the euroleague and just trolls the hell out of people just to draw spite for the Euroleague.

[Nash]

I want to see this Navarro(10ppg in only NBA season) lead team make it in the NBA.

[DCL]

euro league is the f@ggot league

troll threads deserve troll response.

[coin24]

Vspan wouldn't even be third best on the Nigerian team:lol

[Sakkreth]

Well no suprise with the result, Mavs without Dirk not that much chances against Barcelona which is one of few Euroelague teams that would probably make nba playoffs.

[Qwertyazerty]

I want to see this Navarro(10ppg in only NBA season) lead team make it in the NBA.

Euroleague is a troll, but please don't take Navarro's 10ppg NBA season as teh example of what he can do. Memphis were awfull, Pau left them in winter and Iavaroni was one of the worst coaches I've ever seen, using Navarro as spot up shooter :facepalm. Any real basketball fan knows he has been an awesome player till a year ago where injuries took down his game. Let see if he can recover his game, hope he will.

[Nash]

Euroleague is a troll, but please don't take Navarro's 10ppg NBA season as teh example of what he can do. Memphis were awfull, Pau left them in winter and Iavaroni was one of the worst coaches I've ever seen, using Navarro as spot up shooter :facepalm. Any real basketball fan knows he has been an awesome player till a year ago where injuries took down his game. Let see if he can recover his game, hope he will.
He is good, but no good enough to lead an NBA team the same way he leads a Euroleague team.

[gabepizza]

So Euroleague's record against the NBA is 9-42 and people could actually argue that Euroleague is equal. If Euroleague was anywhere equal they would be able to travel to NBA arenas and do better than 2-33 don't you think. And it's not like they only play the best NBA teams as we just saw, even the worst NBA teams (Cleveland, Toronto) beat NBA teams on their home court.

Another difference is the way teams lose. The Mav's loss last night was only the 2nd time and NBA team lost to a Euroleague team by double digits (the other time when the Clippers lost to CSKA by 19). Still when the Mav's were down my like 18 in the third many Euroleague teams would have quite and lost by 30+ but the NBA teams are too talented to lose to a Euroleague team by so much and they came back and made a game of it. So while an NBA team has never lost to a Euroleague team by 20 or more points, a Euroleague team has lost to NBA teams 13 times by 20 or more, including 5 times by 30 or more and once by more than 50.

[niko]

THIS IS NOT A EUROLEAGUE FORUM. Stop posting shit about the Euroleague. There is a forum dedicated to it. If they play an NBA team i get it, but trolling NBA fans using Euroleague is not a valid topic. Stop posting crap about it. No one cares. It's a lesser league in a foreign country that has nothing to do with the NBA.

Do we not have mods? Why do off topic threads by him just get left up?

[scream2207]

wow I had to register just because of this thread.. I wanted to say that i grew up watching the Euroleague, and am a big Euro basketball fan.. But there is no way Euroleague is on the same level or even near the level of NBA.. The top 5 Euro teams maybe would make playoffs 1st round, but that's about it.. Still Eurolueage has improved a shit ton compared to 20 years ago when even the top teams would get swept by the worst NBA teams. Maybe in 20 more years we would could be talking about Euro teams competing with top tear NBA teams?? That's a far fetched fantasy, but if Basketball popularity over there grows at a steady rate, than anything is possible

[Nero Tulip]

wow I had to register just because of this thread.. I wanted to say that i grew up watching the Euroleague, and am a big Euro basketball fan.. But there is no way Euroleague is on the same level or even near the level of NBA.. The top 5 Euro teams maybe would make playoffs 1st round, but that's about it.. Still Eurolueage has improved a shit ton compared to 20 years ago when even the top teams would get swept by the worst NBA teams. Maybe in 20 more years we would could be talking about Euro teams competing with top tear NBA teams?? That's a far fetched fantasy, but if Basketball popularity over there grows at a steady rate, than anything is possible

Yep, that seems to be the consensus among educated non-retarded fans. The best Euroleague teams would be bottom half playoff teams, and would probably lose in the first round.

But you get it wrong, this is a forum strictly for trolling. Go away on realgm or something.

[scream2207]

Yep, that seems to be the consensus among educated non-retarded fans. The best Euroleague teams would be bottom half playoff teams, and would probably lose in the first round.

But you get it wrong, this is a forum strictly for trolling. Go away on realgm or something.

lol, i don't think this is as bad as some of the gaming forums i've been at where trolling/baiting is the only thing on everyones mind 24/7.. You start to go a bit crazy after a while :coleman:

[Sakkreth]

I don't udnerstand why u keep replying to Euroleague so much, it kind of makes him successful.

[zizozain]

Vspan wouldn't even be third best on the Nigerian team:lol
:lol

[KG215]

Many "good NBA players" were total scrubs in Euroleague or lower level European leagues.

And what "good" NBA players would that be? I mean legit starters or 6th and 7th men. And not any of those guys that went over there out of shape for a couple of months during the lockout. I'm talking about former good NBA players that played at least a full season in the Euroleague and were scrubs.



As for Joey Dorsey, he's every bit as good or better than prime Ben Wallace. He just didn't a chance in the NBA that was fair.
Right, so now Olympiacos has the third best player in the world and someone just as good as prime Ben Wallace? You can't honesty believe have the shit you post.


Dorsey is almost as good as Wallace at defense, and better at offense, but he's not as good at rebounding though. But he can do the SAME exact thing, 4 points and 4 rebounds a game, in 12-15 minutes a game, with good defense, in the NBA that he does in the Euroleague.
Please, Ben Wallace, in his first four NBA seasons before going to Detroit, was playing 20-25 minutes a night. He was putting up 5-8-2 numbers and already a solid defender. He was nowhere near the same level of scrub Dorsey was in his four uneventful NBA seasons. Last year was the most minutes Dorsey had ever played on a per game basis...12.1 on a really bad Raptors team. Before that, he was playing 6 or 7 MPG on other bad teams. If he was really as good as Ben Wallace, he'd have at least been able to get 15-17 MPG the last few years on some really bad teams. Get outta here with the Joey Dorsey-prime Ben Wallace comparisons.


If you can't grasp that, then you obviously don't know as much about basketball as you think you do.
Says the guy that's now comparing Joey Dorsey to prime Ben Wallace.


Nothing you are saying actually means anything, because it's all just myths and bullshit. If you actually watched Euroleague you would know that, as you would have seen so many NBA players suck there and so many average or bad players from there do good in the NBA.
Again, list all of these former good NBA players that were scrubs in the Euroleague. And, again, I don't mean guys like out of shape lockout Ty Lawson, 18 year old Brandon Jennings forgoing his freshman year of college to live and play basketball in a country he was unfamiliar with, or a 16-18 year old Ricky Rubio (who wasn't nearly as bad as you claim him to be.) And no former Euroleague players that have come to the NBA and turned into good players, either, because you always say those guys sucked or were scrubs in Euroleague.

[gabepizza]

If you are going to take these exhibition games seriously than you have to take Euroleague's 9-42 record seriously too. As I said before if the NBA played 50 games against the Puerto Rican league or Chinese League they would lose a handful of games too and Euroleague being the 2nd best league the NBA is bound to lose even more, it's just the law of averages.

Still Euroleague teams losing almost 80% (which is their record 9-42 and this year 2-6) of the time is pretty inferior.

You could make all the excuses you want but Euroleague vs NBA is 9-42.

[R.I.P.]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/basketball/nba/wires/10/09/2030.ap.bko.barcelona.mavericks.1st.ld.writethru.0 451/

Rick Carlisle:

"Barca is a great team. I admire the way they pass, move the ball, cut and make screens. They had the advantage the whole game. Barca is an NBA team.''

Isn

[dd24]

wow I had to register just because of this thread.. I wanted to say that i grew up watching the Euroleague, and am a big Euro basketball fan.. But there is no way Euroleague is on the same level or even near the level of NBA.. The top 5 Euro teams maybe would make playoffs 1st round, but that's about it.. Still Eurolueage has improved a shit ton compared to 20 years ago when even the top teams would get swept by the worst NBA teams. Maybe in 20 more years we would could be talking about Euro teams competing with top tear NBA teams?? That's a far fetched fantasy, but if Basketball popularity over there grows at a steady rate, than anything is possible

Welcome to the forum. It's always good to see a post that's actually thought out. It would be nice to have unbiased opinions on the Euroleague rather than what we've been seeing. The poster "Euroleague" doesn't know how bad he is actually making fans of the league look.

[dd24]

All Carlisle was doing was saying the PC thing. He knows his team could beat any team in the Euroleague in a 7 game series.

The poster Euroleague is delusional. I think he has problems. We should just ignore his threads rather than give them so much attention. His words should mean nothing to us. I've mentioned in other threads he needs professional help. With the way he handles himself in writing I can only imagine some of the weird stuff he does in the real world. Of course this could just be a 7 year old kid who doesn't have a clue either. This poster has never come out with their real age..... Nonetheless, if we just ignore all his threads he'll manage to go away.

[BoutPractice]

[QUOTE=R.I.P.]Isn

[Euroleague]

He is good, but no good enough to lead an NBA team the same way he leads a Euroleague team.

Playing at 70% health he scored 21 points against team USA in the 2012 Olympics gold medal game.

In other words, you are a ****ing moron.

[Euroleague]

THIS IS NOT A EUROLEAGUE FORUM. Stop posting shit about the Euroleague. There is a forum dedicated to it. If they play an NBA team i get it, but trolling NBA fans using Euroleague is not a valid topic. Stop posting crap about it. No one cares. It's a lesser league in a foreign country that has nothing to do with the NBA.

Do we not have mods? Why do off topic threads by him just get left up?

Wow, now "Europe is a country"..........

:lol :oldlol: :oldlol: :roll: :facepalm :rolleyes:

[Euroleague]

And what "good" NBA players would that be? I mean legit starters or 6th and 7th men. And not any of those guys that went over there out of shape for a couple of months during the lockout. I'm talking about former good NBA players that played at least a full season in the Euroleague and were scrubs.



Right, so now Olympiacos has the third best player in the world and someone just as good as prime Ben Wallace? You can't honesty believe have the shit you post.


Please, Ben Wallace, in his first four NBA seasons before going to Detroit, was playing 20-25 minutes a night. He was putting up 5-8-2 numbers and already a solid defender. He was nowhere near the same level of scrub Dorsey was in his four uneventful NBA seasons. Last year was the most minutes Dorsey had ever played on a per game basis...12.1 on a really bad Raptors team. Before that, he was playing 6 or 7 MPG on other bad teams. If he was really as good as Ben Wallace, he'd have at least been able to get 15-17 MPG the last few years on some really bad teams. Get outta here with the Joey Dorsey-prime Ben Wallace comparisons.


Says the guy that's now comparing Joey Dorsey to prime Ben Wallace.


Again, list all of these former good NBA players that were scrubs in the Euroleague. And, again, I don't mean guys like out of shape lockout Ty Lawson, 18 year old Brandon Jennings forgoing his freshman year of college to live and play basketball in a country he was unfamiliar with, or a 16-18 year old Ricky Rubio (who wasn't nearly as bad as you claim him to be.) And no former Euroleague players that have come to the NBA and turned into good players, either, because you always say those guys sucked or were scrubs in Euroleague.

You are a troll, pretending to be interested in Euroleague. Welcome to ignore.

[Euroleague]

If you are going to take these exhibition games seriously than you have to take Euroleague's 9-42 record seriously too. As I said before if the NBA played 50 games against the Puerto Rican league or Chinese League they would lose a handful of games too and Euroleague being the 2nd best league the NBA is bound to lose even more, it's just the law of averages.

Still Euroleague teams losing almost 80% (which is their record 9-42 and this year 2-6) of the time is pretty inferior.

You could make all the excuses you want but Euroleague vs NBA is 9-42.

:lol :oldlol: :roll: :facepalm :rolleyes: :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[KG215]

You are a troll, pretending to be interested in Euroleague. Welcome to ignore.
I'm asking you legit questions man. Man up and answer them. You're always claiming all this outlandish nonsense and I'm asking for answers.

Please, tell me how Joey Dorsey got an unfair shake in the NBA and is actually as good as prime Ben Wallace. I provided you with factual based information as to why that's not true. Please, return the favor, and tell me why you believe it is true.

Don't bitch out and call me a troll and put me ignore.