View Full Version : Prediction: LeBron James Season
upside24
10-10-2012, 11:04 PM
LeBron seems to be developing as a player adding tweaks to his game like Kobe did in his later years and still is. I expect his athleticism to remain similar depending on playing weight and hoping for an improvement in post play.
I know LeBron is a polarizing figure on ISH and there will be plenty of chaos in this thread but I'm curious what the boards opinion of LeBron's next season will be not only in statistics but in player development.
I'm expecting some evolution.
upside24
10-10-2012, 11:11 PM
As for me, I expect LeBron to continue improving his post work especially footwork and work in that low post area looking for open shooters or cutters to the basket.
Shooting less threes like he did last year improve efficiency and I think he should continue that trend. Hoping he will spend more time working on the boards. He is one the their best rebounders when he wants to be and hustle points like putbacks are big.
Expect 29 at 51% with 8 boards and 7 assists.
Hopefully something nuts like 30/9/7/2/1 on 54/35/78
CavaliersFTW
10-10-2012, 11:30 PM
35.7ppg / 9.3apg / 8.9rpg / 1.5spg / 1.2 bpg
.543fg% .389 3pt% .797ft%
http://menversus.com/images/rule-34-muppets.gif
not this
fpliii
10-10-2012, 11:35 PM
he'll spend more time in the post...his assists will drop (probably will still be above 5) and his rebounds will go up (not quite averaging a double double yet, unless he plays off the ball more often)
in terms of stats, I'd say something like 27/9/5 on .610 TS%
his defense should also continue to be great, though players lose some lateral quickness when they get around that 30 mark (but he's not there yet)
stallionaire
10-10-2012, 11:38 PM
28/8reb/6ast
hawksdogsbraves
10-11-2012, 12:40 AM
I expect another historically great season, just like we've gotten the past 2 years. This is a top 5 player of all time in his prime, we're going to see some great things.
not this
Steals too low:coleman:
TheAesirsFinest
10-11-2012, 01:17 AM
As for me, I expect LeBron to continue improving his post work especially footwork and work in that low post area looking for open shooters or cutters to the basket.
Shooting less threes like he did last year improve efficiency and I think he should continue that trend. Hoping he will spend more time working on the boards. He is one the their best rebounders when he wants to be and hustle points like putbacks are big.
Expect 29 at 51% with 8 boards and 7 assists.
I very much agree with your second paragraph. Avoiding 3s last year did a lot of good for his approach to the game, and when he gets offensive boards, it's almost a guaranteed two points.
An unmentioned but big time factor in his playing style is also how serious he is. If he's more relaxed, he'll probably lean towards facing up defenders since he's still more of a perimeter player. If he's serious, he switches between posting and facing up, depending on how his defender plays him and who his defender is.
What I'd hope to see LeBron do is, like you said, improve his post game and footwork and rebounding. I'd also like to see more of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=foPzNe_vvoA#t=272s) and this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=foPzNe_vvoA#t=112s). That's a sweet-ass, deadly face-up jumper. Finally, I'd like to see him cut off the ball move to establish post position or to get a nice lay-up.
tmacattack33
10-11-2012, 01:21 AM
A little decrease in points with Ray Allen on the team.
About the same amount of assists.
Some more rebounds, since he'll be at the PF spot more.
Great defense of course.
All-NBA 1st Team, All-NBA Defensive First team, 3rd in MVP voting behind Durant and C. Paul.
ripthekik
10-11-2012, 01:37 AM
how did he improve season after season?
his footwork never improved, his jumpshots never improved, his 3 point never improved, his free throw never improved, and he still has no post game.
how did he get better? by becoming even bigger and stronger, so he can just trainwreck himself through everyone and get to the rim. he finally found out he can do this this playoffs.
plowking
10-11-2012, 01:47 AM
how did he improve season after season?
his footwork never improved, his jumpshots never improved, his 3 point never improved, his free throw never improved, and he still has no post game.
how did he get better? by becoming even bigger and stronger, so he can just trainwreck himself through everyone and get to the rim. he finally found out he can do this this playoffs.
Well he shot his highest FG% over his career, his highest 3pt% too, second highest FT%, and he dominated the finals from the post. He literally got better at everything you said he didn't...
ripthekik
10-11-2012, 02:21 AM
Well he shot his highest FG% over his career, his highest 3pt% too, second highest FT%, and he dominated the finals from the post. He literally got better at everything you said he didn't...
His FG was the highest, as I said, he got smart and found out he could just barrel his way into the post for an easy layup. Nothing wrong with that.
His 3 pt? He took the least amount of 3's in his career. I don't know the numbers but anyone watching the NBA should notice.
as for his FT, he shot 75% as a rookie. This year he was 77%. Big improvement?
His stats have definitely improved, especially since he got stronger and now can get to the basket more easily. But that doesn't mean he improved part of his game like Jordan and Kobe did, like OP said.
atljonesbro
10-11-2012, 02:34 AM
I think he might win 6th man of the year. Rashard Lewis gonna take his job then fu*k his mom
plowking
10-11-2012, 02:36 AM
His FG was the highest, as I said, he got smart and found out he could just barrel his way into the post for an easy layup. Nothing wrong with that.
His 3 pt? He took the least amount of 3's in his career. I don't know the numbers but anyone watching the NBA should notice.
as for his FT, he shot 75% as a rookie. This year he was 77%. Big improvement?
His stats have definitely improved, especially since he got stronger and now can get to the basket more easily. But that doesn't mean he improved part of his game like Jordan and Kobe did, like OP said.
You just said he didn't get better in the post, then you say he figured out how to get easy layups in the post... That is getting better.
He took less 3's, because he started taking smart ones. He was still making 1 three a game, which is his average for his career.
Of course his FT shooting got better. There are far less outliers throughout the season where he shot 50% or worse from the line like in his rookie season. Hence he is far more reliable at the line. You always expect him to be around his average instead of extremely erratic like he once was.
Money 23
10-11-2012, 02:40 AM
28/7/7
ripthekik
10-11-2012, 02:53 AM
You just said he didn't get better in the post, then you say he figured out how to get easy layups in the post... That is getting better.
He took less 3's, because he started taking smart ones. He was still making 1 three a game, which is his average for his career.
No, he averaged nearly 300+ 3 pointers per season in his career, which was like 3,4 three pointers per game. Last season he only took 159 3-pointers. He took less than 50% of his average. His % didn't improve, his shooting didn't improve, he just stopped shooting them at a high volume and only took 1-2 safe ones per game.
And that is not getting better in the post for me. He didn't score with footwork, postmoves, whatnot. He usually scores after driving, overpowering opponents, or in transition. You can say he got smarter with knowing how to use his body physically as a weapon, but not that he improved his postmoves.
not this
Steals & Rebounds to low. :mad:
No but, meh... i really dont care what he does statistically, i think he had enough of fun with that, its time to just continue to spam those awards he got last season/playoffs.. :)
Ruutu
10-11-2012, 04:24 AM
He gonna win defensive player of the year
Money 23
10-11-2012, 04:28 AM
No but, meh... i really dont care what he does statistically, i think he had enough of fun with that in Cleveland, its time to win and only win
Do you think LeBron will get his 4th MVP this season? What about DPOY?
An award Kobe's never won, MJ won ... and few other perimeter players have accomplished. It's something that can really separate from your peers, and even elite HOF caliber peers.
Would you rather him get MVP and be 1 away from MJ, and 2 away from Kareem all-time? Or would you rather see your boy get a second ring?
Sakkreth
10-11-2012, 04:38 AM
28/8r/7ast
31/10r/6ast in playoffs, fmvp.
Do you think LeBron will get his 4th MVP this season? What about DPOY?
An award Kobe's never won, MJ won ... and few other perimeter players have accomplished. It's something that can really separate from your peers, and even elite HOF caliber peers.
Would you rather him get MVP and be 1 away from MJ, and 2 away from Kareem all-time? Or would you rather see your boy get a second ring?
The MVP has been Lebrons to lose these past few years, this year will be between Lebron & Durant again.
He has the possibility to win DPOY, the coaches thought Lebron should have won it last season as they gave him the most 1st all-defensive team votes of all the players for example, even more than the guy who won the DPOY that year (Chandler) thanks to the clueless media....
What i would rather want this upcoming season? Hm... MVP, DPOY, ASG MVP, most POTMs, win the dunk contest, FMVP, Championship, want it all baby.... or is that asking for to much? :D
One thing i think Lebron will also do this season is average or be close to average 10 rebounds a game...... He built a nasty rebounding habbit in this last playoffs, if that pattern continues he could pretty much do that... Lebron for his size is a fantastic rebounder ability wise, he is a legit 10+ rpg type of rebounder ability wise, its only the role/tendency/mindset which decides how many rebounds he will average....
I mean on offense Lebron will most often immediately run back to play defense after he or one of his teammates take a shot (role/tendency of a breakaway/fastbreak stopper/helpdefender rather than a offensive rebounder)... on defense Lebron will half of the time often leak out for a fastbreak/breakaway after the opponents take a shot (role/tendency of a finisher rather than a defensive rebounder)... Lebron didnt stop doing that in the playoffs which allowed him to get ~10 rpg, he only attacked the boards more often as he played Power-Forward alot (more closer to the basket).... something which i heard Spoelstra will do again with Lebron alot this season...
28renyoy
10-11-2012, 06:03 AM
25/9/7/2/1 52/34/78 60 TS% 54 eFG%
He won't get his usual volume of shot attempts due to allen/lewis, but he will be grab more assists
Dictator
10-11-2012, 06:54 AM
Why would his stats go up with a healthy wade, allen, and lewis?
Either the heat are gonna go god mode during the season(Blowing most teams out) or two players will drop statistically.
Money 23
10-11-2012, 07:38 AM
Either the heat are gonna go god mode during the season(Blowing most teams out) or two players will drop statistically.
Whatchu think is going to happen?
28 / 7 / 7 - LeBron
25 / 5 / 5 - Wade
18 / 8 / 3 - Bosh
14 / 4 / 4 - Allen
Sound about right? Or nadda ...
28renyoy
10-11-2012, 08:19 AM
Whatchu think is going to happen?
28 / 7 / 7 - LeBron
25 / 5 / 5 - Wade
18 / 8 / 3 - Bosh
14 / 4 / 4 - Allen
Sound about right? Or nadda ...
You're an idiot.
The Heat averaged 98.5 ppg last season and 20.0 apg. Now all of a sudden 4 players are going to combine for 85 ppg and 19 apg? Give me a break
25/9/7
22/5/4
16/9/2
10/2/2
Money 23
10-11-2012, 08:32 AM
You're an idiot.
The Heat averaged 98.5 ppg last season and 20.0 apg. Now all of a sudden 4 players are going to combine for 85 ppg and 19 apg? Give me a break
25/9/7
22/5/4
16/9/2
10/2/2
Calm down, kiddo. No need to get all personal.
Did you wake up today with your period or something?
Whose to say with added firepower and a healthy D-Wade the Heat can't score more? You're confining them to last year's team ppg, when we don't know the pace / tempo and style at which they will play.
Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis can stretch the floor for Wade and Bron, giving ample driving lanes for additional scores, while also knocking down open shots to provide more offense.
winwin
10-11-2012, 08:49 AM
somewhere around all-star break ..... big news
All Net
10-11-2012, 08:53 AM
It's hard to see how he will get much better but hey maybe he will find a way..If wade doesn't get a consistant jumper he may need to keepi improving as Wade gets older.
Money 23
10-11-2012, 09:03 AM
It's hard to see how he will get much better but hey maybe he will find a way..If wade doesn't get a consistant jumper he may need to keepi improving as Wade gets older.
His jumper isn't THAT bad.
DC Zephyrs
10-11-2012, 09:08 AM
28/9/6 on 53/33/77 61 TS%, runner up DPOY to Howard.
Other than extra point or rebound per game, how much better can he get? I think he will have an almost identical season statistically, which will be more than enough to win his 4th MVP in 5 years.
ShaqAttack3234
10-11-2012, 12:10 PM
As for Lebron's season. There's a very good chance that Lebron will be the best player again, because I think he has clearly been the best the last 4 seasons, with only 2011 being a bit unclear.
Stats? Well, I feel pretty comfortable guessing about 26-27 ppg, 8 rpg, 6 apg or so. Miami looks deeper than they've been, though we don't know how the new players will play, how much Wade has left ect.
I think they're the favorite to win the title again, at least in my mind.
But I don't see an evolution like Kobe. They're just different players, and I think certain skills just came a lot more naturally to Kobe. He's always been smoother and more fluid. His footwork and post skills were better than Lebron's before Kobe even drink legally.
Lebron did show a decent post game for the first time, and I was surprised that he made that turnaround 10-15 foot jumper pretty consistently. It's the first time he had an in between game. He still wasn't a great post player, but it made a difference. He also moved without the ball better, and he isn't a great off the ball player either, but this was a problem in 2011. In general, Lebron was just better at getting easier baskets, including how much he leaked out for easy transition points. It was also less of a problem, because there was more of a defined 1st and 2nd option.
I'm not sure how much better Lebron can get. I don't see him ever being a great post player, I just don't think he has that much potential in this area of the game. I know people see a 6'8", 265-270 pound small forward and think he should be dominating in the post, but it just doesn't work that way. Lebron has so many gifts, but he wasn't freakishly gifted in every aspect of the game. His strength has paid off a lot more when it comes to finishing with contact, which is part of what has made him so unstoppable. So he has always used his strength.
Lebron's outside shot did decline as the season went on, though. No reason this has to continue, so he can top his 2011 season. 27-28 is when most players peak. But I definitely think there's a limit to how much he can improve on his weaknesses in the short time before he loses enough athleticism to noticeably impact his game. He's not at his athletic peak, but most players aren't when they peak as players, or even for most of their primes as players. It takes a while to learn the game and fully develop your skill set, and by then, you lose a little bit of athleticism, but also learn how to conserve it. These things are more important than having a little extra on your vert, or being a little quicker.
But back to the Kobe comparison, Kobe is just different. First of all, he's always been between 200-220 pounds, well, actually about 225 in '03 and 230 in '05, but those are exceptions. But the point is, he's significantly smaller than Lebron who has been at least 265-270 since the '08-'09 season. Kobe has also been more of a jump shooter. This makes sense, because he wasn't quite as athletic and physically dominant, and also a better pure shooter. But that difference in style as well as size has made Kobe seem like a more likely candidate to sustain his level of play longer.
I'm not sure Lebron has ever been better than he was in 2009 when he was just 24 years old, but you can argue that 2012 was his best season at a normal peak age of 27. So I think we could see the best Lebron ever, but there's no guarantee he'll get better.
I think we'll most likely see him near the level he has been the last 4 seasons('09-'12), I'm guessing we'll see him enter the 5th year of his prime, which is already a normal length for a prime, so I don't think we'll see him sustain his true prime much beyond this season. But a noticeable decline at age 28 is unlikely, along with 27, that's also an age when many players peak.
His jumper isn't THAT bad.
Amazingly, for a player whose been as good as Wade has, he hasn't really had a legit jumper, even a mid-range game, other than '09 and '06, well, '07 too before injuries. But other than that, he either hasn't taken many jump shots, or they've been at a low percentage.
upside24
10-11-2012, 01:12 PM
His FG was the highest, as I said, he got smart and found out he could just barrel his way into the post for an easy layup. Nothing wrong with that.
His 3 pt? He took the least amount of 3's in his career. I don't know the numbers but anyone watching the NBA should notice.
as for his FT, he shot 75% as a rookie. This year he was 77%. Big improvement?
His stats have definitely improved, especially since he got stronger and now can get to the basket more easily. But that doesn't mean he improved part of his game like Jordan and Kobe did, like OP said.
He definitely improved in the post as far as scoring and looking for passing opportunities similar a la Magic. He reduced his threes and long twos and decided to spend more time in the paint.
He also improved playing off the ball and cutting to the basket. This made having Wade on the floor work because they played off each other instead of taking turns dominating the ball like in the past.
LeBron also made a concerted effort to get on the boards and throughout the playoffs he proved he was a solid rebounder.
He is not a finished product and that is the beauty of the development we saw from him last year. He is learning how to change his game to become more efficient and impactful.
I understand you hate LeBron but he cleared improved his game last year, his dominant playoffs is proof.
Kblaze8855
10-11-2012, 02:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpkCofW4gUA
Lebron James could not(or at least did not) make all those fadeaways in the post early in his career. That people can say he has not improved in the post proves that they didnt watch(Unlikely) or dont care what the truth is.
arifgokcen
10-11-2012, 02:29 PM
He definitely improved in the post as far as scoring and looking for passing opportunities similar a la Magic. He reduced his threes and long twos and decided to spend more time in the paint.
He also improved playing off the ball and cutting to the basket. This made having Wade on the floor work because they played off each other instead of taking turns dominating the ball like in the past.
LeBron also made a concerted effort to get on the boards and throughout the playoffs he proved he was a solid rebounder.
He is not a finished product and that is the beauty of the development we saw from him last year. He is learning how to change his game to become more efficient and impactful.
I understand you hate LeBron but he cleared improved his game last year, his dominant playoffs is proof.
Dude this is probably the #2 biggest troll we had on ISH after bladers however i believe at least two of these posters(old and new) is the same person
riphtetik,bladers,lakersreign,kennethgriffin.
Anyway he will troll.Thats what he does.Dont wait for him to admit that he is wrong.
What i dont understand is why sensible posters like yourself keeps feeding these trolls.Just let him bark.
Dragonyeuw
10-11-2012, 02:38 PM
Amazingly, for a player whose been as good as Wade has, he hasn't really had a legit jumper, even a mid-range game, other than '09 and '06, well, '07 too before injuries. But other than that, he either hasn't taken many jump shots, or they've been at a low percentage.
Wade's midrange is an oddity. I've always wondered why he had 2-3 seasons where he had a very good midrange jumper( no coincidence they were also his best seasons), but otherwise his midrange jumper has been very erratic.
ripthekik
10-11-2012, 02:46 PM
Dude this is probably the #2 biggest troll we had on ISH after bladers however i believe at least two of these posters(old and new) is the same person
riphtetik,bladers,lakersreign,kennethgriffin.
Anyway he will troll.Thats what he does.Dont wait for him to admit that he is wrong.
What i dont understand is why sensible posters like yourself keeps feeding these trolls.Just let him bark.
Wrong. I am not trolling. I back up what I say with arguments, videos, stats, and articles. And I am none of those other posters.
Wrong. I am not trolling. I back up what I say with arguments, videos, stats, and articles. And I am none of those other posters.
Arguments? You are nitpicking, your arguments are not valid. If you nitpick the same way with all players and looked at them with a microscope just like you do Lebron then you'd realize how amazing Lebron is.
ripthekik
10-11-2012, 03:01 PM
Arguments? You are nitpicking, your arguments are not valid. If you nitpick the same way with all players and looked at them with a microscope just like you do Lebron then you'd realize how amazing Lebron is.
How do I nitpick? I recognize his positives as well. In the thread about him not being clutch, I recognized his great games. In this thread, I acknowledged him taking less 3's, and figuring out he should score more inside as well. I have complimented on him plenty of times, calling him very talented, and the number 1 player in the league today.
I say the good and the bad. It's just that the bad catches your attentions. Lebron fans believe him to be flawless. Any criticism? = Trolling, hater, kobe-stan, bladers, phong, etc.
LBJ_MVP09
10-11-2012, 03:16 PM
If you aren't really trolling you could not say LeBron hasn't improved his shooting and his post-game. The stats/videos/articles support that he HAS improved on those things.
How do I nitpick? I recognize his positives as well. In the thread about him not being clutch, I recognized his great games. In this thread, I acknowledged him taking less 3's, and figuring out he should score more inside as well. I have complimented on him plenty of times, calling him very talented, and the number 1 player in the league today.
I say the good and the bad. It's just that the bad catches your attentions. Lebron fans believe him to be flawless. Any criticism? = Trolling, hater, kobe-stan, bladers, phong, etc.
How you are nitpicking? You are constantly highlighting the negatives from a player who's a rare talent and is playing on a level not many players have reached before.
arifgokcen
10-11-2012, 03:50 PM
RIPTHEKIK is a troll.We all know it he knows it too however he will never acknowledge it.
Just dont answer him let him do his trolling.
LBJ 23
10-11-2012, 03:53 PM
RIPTHEKIK is a troll.We all know it he knows it too however he will never acknowledge it.
Just dont answer him let him do his trolling.
He's a first poster ever on my ignore list. I've been on these boards for 3+ years now.
ripthekik
10-11-2012, 04:21 PM
He's a first poster ever on my ignore list. I've been on these boards for 3+ years now.
Maybe it's because your username is LBJ 23, and I happen to criticize him the most? Notice how everyone here calling me a troll is a Lebron fan? :rolleyes:
arifgokcen
10-11-2012, 04:27 PM
Maybe it's because your username is LBJ 23, and I happen to criticize him the most? Notice how everyone here calling me a troll is a Lebron fan? :rolleyes:
Dude i am a lebron fan as much as i am a kobe fan or vice versa.You are still on my ignore list #2.You are a troll.King of the trolls or #2 behind kennethgriffin(if he is not you).
Dont get me wrong i hate any fan that tries to troll about a superstar for the sake of another superstar,however you are on a whole other level.
ripthekik
10-11-2012, 04:32 PM
Dude i am a lebron fan as much as i am a kobe fan or vice versa.You are still on my ignore list #2.You are a troll.King of the trolls or #2 behind kennethgriffin(if he is not you).
Could careless whether you're a Kobe fan or not. But you're still a Lebron fan. And that's the reason why you will click the ignore button, because Lebron fans are tired of hearing the truth from me.
Go ahead, put me on ignore, enjoy your own little world, where Lebron is the clutch impeccable GOAT, and you are all superstars :rockon:
KingBeasley08
10-11-2012, 04:38 PM
I expect him to go off this season. Even more skilled in the post with the sky hook occasionally part of the arsenal. Passes outta the post more with great D
27/8/8 54%
28renyoy
10-11-2012, 04:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpkCofW4gUA
Lebron James could not(or at least did not) make all those fadeaways in the post early in his career. That people can say he has not improved in the post proves that they were dont watch(Unlikely) or dont care what the truth is.
It's pathetic how pro-LeBron you are...especially seeing as you're a "Bulls fans"
che guevara
10-11-2012, 04:52 PM
Lebron's looked a lot more nimble in the preseason so far than he has the past two seasons, so I think we're about to see his best season as a member of the Heat. His raw stats will probably be about the same as always with a 1-2% bump in FG%.
alenleomessi
10-11-2012, 05:01 PM
yeah he looked like a different animal so far this preseason... seriously if healthy miami has the talent to break bulls record from 96
Kblaze8855
10-11-2012, 05:06 PM
It's pathetic how pro-LeBron you are...especially seeing as you're a "Bulls fans"
Ive been a known Bulls fan here since Lebron was like 16.....and I am pro reality. Which is why someone like you thinks I love Lebron and someone like Pauk and another heat fan or two thinks I have some problem with him and send me 2000 word PMs upset with me over bullshit.
The kind of people like you and pauk and this other guy in here...whoever you may love or hate...you are all the same beast. One multi headed agenda driven beast. Pauk has Lebron. You have Durant. Some have Kobe. A couple even have Wade.
All of you think that people who underrate your favorite players rivals are brilliant and fair and those who think your guy isnt as good as you do is an idiot who must love one of the others. Then the groups who hate the proper player at the moment mob up to cosign eachother with laughing emoticons and all looking like children and making about as much sense.
Doesnt seem like it will ever end.
ihoopallday
10-11-2012, 05:15 PM
Ive been a known Bulls fan here since Lebron was like 16.....and I am pro reality. Which is why someone like you thinks I love Lebron and someone like Pauk and another heat fan or two thinks I have some problem with him and send me 2000 word PMs upset with me over bullshit.
The kind of people like you and pauk and this other guy in here...whoever you may love or hate...you are all the same beast. One multi headed agenda driven beast. Pauk has Lebron. You have Durant. Some have Kobe. A couple even have Wade.
All of you think that people who underrate your favorite players rivals are brilliant and fair and those who think your guy isnt as good as you do is an idiot who must love one of the others. Then the groups who hate the proper player at the moment mob up to cosign eachother with laughing emoticons and all looking like children and making about as much sense.
Doesnt seem like it will ever end.
:applause: Great Post
BarberSchool
10-11-2012, 05:19 PM
1. Knee Injury 34 games in.
2. Anabolic&Growth Hormone scandal and subsequent suspension.
BarberSchool
10-11-2012, 05:28 PM
Ive been a known Bulls fan here since Lebron was like 16.....and I am pro reality. Which is why someone like you thinks I love Lebron and someone like Pauk and another heat fan or two thinks I have some problem with him and send me 2000 word PMs upset with me over bullshit.
The kind of people like you and pauk and this other guy in here...whoever you may love or hate...you are all the same beast. One multi headed agenda driven beast. Pauk has Lebron. You have Durant. Some have Kobe. A couple even have Wade.
All of you think that people who underrate your favorite players rivals are brilliant and fair and those who think your guy isnt as good as you do is an idiot who must love one of the others. Then the groups who hate the proper player at the moment mob up to cosign eachother with laughing emoticons and all looking like children and making about as much sense.
Doesnt seem like it will ever end.
http://images.angusrobertson.com.au/images/ar/97808308/9780830818969/0/0/plain/gods-that-fail-modern-idolatry-and-christian-mission.jpg
TheMan
10-11-2012, 06:38 PM
A bit of a drop off from last season's stats but will win FMVP and get his second title.
asdf1990
10-11-2012, 08:50 PM
with wade playing 33 mins max and getting games off I expect another monster season this time he will get the triple crown MVP, ASMVP, FMVP
rodman91
10-11-2012, 08:51 PM
1. Knee Injury 34 games in.
2. Anabolic&Growth Hormone scandal and subsequent suspension.
:lol
ripthekik
10-12-2012, 01:20 AM
It's pathetic how pro-LeBron you are...especially seeing as you're a "Bulls fans"
I've seen nothing from him except posts about Lebron or old retired NBA players for the last few months. Always pops in my lebron threads and give his piece, yet doesn't do the same for the kobe threads. Pro reality? :oldlol: I don't buy it. Big lebron fan deep inside, that's all.
raprap
10-12-2012, 08:01 AM
I just want to see him do the sky hook :bowdown:
Money 23
10-12-2012, 08:10 AM
Lebron's looked a lot more nimble in the preseason so far than he has the past two seasons, so I think we're about to see his best season as a member of the Heat. His raw stats will probably be about the same as always with a 1-2% bump in FG%.
I noticed this as well.
This as well as the fact the monkey and pressure is off his back, he can just have fun again. Who knows how well he will play this season.
I've seen nothing from him except posts about Lebron or old retired NBA players for the last few months. Always pops in my lebron threads and give his piece, yet doesn't do the same for the kobe threads. Pro reality? :oldlol: I don't buy it. Big lebron fan deep inside, that's all.You're the biggest Lebron fan here for a hater,always opening new threads about him, he must've fudged your bitch.
longtime lurker
10-12-2012, 10:49 AM
25, 8 and 6. No way he improves his scoring with the Heat adding more shooters. It would be impressive if he could replicate his playoff numbers for a whole season.
I see him getting more rebounds if he continues with attacking the boards like he did in the playoffs (and if they are gone use him as PF alot) and especially assists considering the more shooting firepower he has around him, so dont be surprised if he gets close to average a triple double.... he could beat that 8.6 APG record of his...
KOBE143
10-12-2012, 11:00 AM
DNP/Inactive - Injured all season
I predict a 4th MVP is coming.
crisoner
10-12-2012, 12:28 PM
I think this season LeBron will be revealed for who he really is.
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ripthekik
10-12-2012, 12:29 PM
You're right. It was actually 18%, not even 20. 7 for 38 outside the paint.
And it goes up to only %24 (14 for 58) if you include the restricted area. Thank god he got some easy layups and dunks, right?:lol
http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player.html#LeBron-James|2544;year=201112;season=p;splitType=team;spl itValue=okc
You guys go ahead and avoid that link like the plague.
Shooting 18% outside the paint in the finals.
So tell me again how Lebron improved his game?
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I think this season LeBron will be revealed for who he really is.
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080815045821/starwars/images/7/73/Chewbaccaheadshot.jpg
A Wookiee, whose name for themselves translated to the People of the Trees, are a species of hairy bipedal humanoids that were inhabitants of the planet Kashyyyk. One of the most noteworthy members of the species was Chewbacca, Han Solo's best friend and co-pilot, who played a vital role in the Galactic Civil War and afterwards.
:biggums:
:yaohappy:
plowking
10-12-2012, 12:31 PM
Shooting 18% outside the paint in the finals.
So tell me again how Lebron improved his game?
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He dominated in the post in the finals.
ripthekik
10-12-2012, 12:34 PM
He dominated in the post in the finals.
Yes he did, he learned how to utilize his body inside. It was an advantage for him. all good.
but what happened when the other posters here said he improved every asset of his game- his shooting, his 3PT, his midrange? :confusedshrug:
plowking
10-12-2012, 12:41 PM
Yes he did, he learned how to utilize his body inside. It was an advantage for him. all good.
but what happened when the other posters here said he improved every asset of his game- his shooting, his 3PT, his midrange? :confusedshrug:
So using a 5 game sample is perfect for deciding whether or not he got better?
How about using a whole season? No? Because it wouldn't fit your agenda?
From 10-15 feet, Lebron shot a career high of 47%. Attempting and making more than ever before in his career.
His 16-23 feet range stayed at around the 40% mark as it has been the last 4 years, slightly varying over the course of those years.
And like said before, his FT% and 3PT% were his second best, and best years.
Whole season>5 games as reference.
lakerspng
10-12-2012, 12:42 PM
The one thin lebron improves on every single year is his efficiency. He knows what he can do and focuses in that and cuts out the things he doesn't do well. It's its own version of improvement because the things he does well be gets better at. He doesn't take chances. He knows what works and does what works. It's why he is the all time per king. But whatya does he does so well, why change what works.
I see his season being about 27/8/6.5 on 52% shooting. I don't think he'll win MVP again because Durant is going to average 30+ per game and the thunder will have as good a record in a tougher conference and lebron won't be better than he was last year where Durant will. Miami would have to have a ridiculous 65+ win season and he would have to increase his overall stats for lebron to win 4 straight the way votes are, regardless of whether he's the best overall player in the league
Oh and... He will not win finals MVP. That's going to someone in purple and gold
You try to engange in a rational discussion with ripthekick, you're just as stupid as him. Just a little FYI.
ripthekik
10-12-2012, 12:52 PM
So using a 5 game sample is perfect for deciding whether or not he got better?
How about using a whole season? No? Because it wouldn't fit your agenda?
From 10-15 feet, Lebron shot a career high of 47%. Attempting and making more than ever before in his career.
His 16-23 feet range stayed at around the 40% mark as it has been the last 4 years, slightly varying over the course of those years.
And like said before, his FT% and 3PT% were his second best, and best years.
Whole season>5 games as reference.
It's the finals. :facepalm
I didn't just choose any random games or series. Didnt you see how much the 2011 finals impacted his career? This final should be viewed in just the same importance right?
Even if you use stats from the entire playoffs, I'm pretty sure it won't be any better.
Yes, his stats went up, based on him taking the ball to the hoop more and playing more physical. He did get more efficient. But saying him improved his outside shooting and game is a joke. :facepalm
plowking
10-12-2012, 12:56 PM
It's the finals. :facepalm
I didn't just choose any random games or series. Didnt you see how much the 2011 finals impacted his career? This final should be viewed in just the same importance right?
Even if you use stats from the entire playoffs, I'm pretty sure it won't be any better.
Yes, his stats went up, based on him taking the ball to the hoop more and playing more physical. He did get more efficient. But saying him improved his outside shooting and game is a joke. :facepalm
So why do we have empirical proof saying he did improve it? Who am I to believe? You or actual numbers telling me that he has in fact improved his outside shooting?
What you want me to believe is like you telling me Darko Milicic is a better free throw shooter than Steve Nash. Its just not true, since numbers are telling me what is true.
lilgodfather1
10-12-2012, 01:22 PM
I would not be surprised to see LeBron average the same stats just on 54 or 55 % shooting. I would like to see him bring his assists up a little after his pedestrian season passing the ball last year, but honestly as long as he is healthy then he will have a great year.
Kingwillball
10-12-2012, 01:23 PM
28,8,8 on over 50% shooting
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