Biden v. Ryan debate.

[longhornfan1234]

Discuss the debate here...


Ryan is going to destroy Biden. I can't wait. :rockon:

[Patrick Chewing]

Ryan is going to destroy Biden. I can't wait. :rockon:


'Tis be true

[longhornfan1234]

'Tis be true


It's going to be too easy.

[Loneshot]

Is Biden high, why is he on the verge of laughing his ass off?

[StroShow4]

Is Biden high, why is he on the verge of laughing his ass off?

I was wondering the same thing. That can't be a good look. :oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

Biden's drunk

[Mr Know It All]

Biden is actually doing a decent job. He's just not very eloquent but he's doing some good spin.

[daily]

Biden is actually doing a decent job. He's just not very eloquent but he's doing some good spin.The problem is it's "spin" and everyone know's it

[Loneshot]

Biden is actually doing a decent job. He's just not very eloquent but he's doing some good spin.

Yeah i don't get the statements about him getting owned so far. Its Romney/Obama all over again. Romney/Ryan lying and not stating a single fact, but do it smoothly. Biden/Obama reply, frustrated that the other just flat out lied. And the voters seem too stupid to notice it.

[Patrick Chewing]

Yeah i don't get the statements about him getting owned so far. Its Romney/Obama all over again. Romney/Ryan lying and not stating a single fact, but do it smoothly. Biden/Obama reply, frustrated that the other just flat out lied. And the voters seem too stupid to notice it.


Geez, what are they "lying" about exactly???

[Mr Know It All]

The problem is it's "spin" and everyone know's it

All of American Politics in spin, as the poster above said the American people are just too stupid to notice it, and that goes for either side.

Paul Ryan is insinuating that Obama should have attacked Iran at the beginning of his turn, he's spouting absolute bullshit.

[daily]

Yeah i don't get the statements about him getting owned so far. Its Romney/Obama all over again. Romney/Ryan lying and not stating a single fact, but do it smoothly. Biden/Obama reply, frustrated that the other just flat out lied. And the voters seem too stupid to notice it.Get out of here, the fact checkers found Obama and Romney twisted the truth the same amount. Stop with this only one side lies BS. You're doing yourself no good living in that fantasy world

[longhornfan1234]

Both of them are doing bad. :facepalm

[hoopaddict08]

Is Biden high, why is he on the verge of laughing his ass off?

He needs to stop. It isn't helping him at all.

[Meticode]

Debates are just a ploy to see who tells the most lies.

[Patrick Chewing]

Biden lied about the administration not knowing the Diplomats in Libya asked for more security. They knew. They were asked repeatedly.

[StroShow4]

"This is a bunch of stuff!" :oldlol: :roll:



I'm f@cking laughing as hard as Biden is. :oldlol:

[Loneshot]

Geez, what are they "lying" about exactly???

Everything they say (Romney/Ryan) is what they would do, but they never actually say how. Romney's whole debate was what he would do and what Obama is doing wrong, yet not once did he get called out on how he plans to do any of the things he claims he'll do.

I'm not voting for either one of these guys, so it matters little to me. Im just surprised those actually voting between these two actually look at Ryan/Romney as anything other than a distraction.

[Mr Know It All]

Ryan is blowing it here, he sounds like a war monger when it comes to the Iran issue. The American people are deluded but they do not want another war.

[Brujesino]

"This is a bunch of stuff!" :oldlol: :roll:



I'm f@cking laughing as hard as Biden is. :oldlol:
This debate is awsome thanks to Biden.

[Loneshot]

Ryan is blowing it here, he sounds like a war monger when it comes to the Iran issue. The American people are deluded but they do not want another.

That's what im saying. How are you gonna preach that the current administration is soft when we're at 2 wars, and working on another. :wtf:

[Patrick Chewing]

Biden's Math is wrong. Unemployment in your own hometown is up and he still refutes that the numbers are going down :oldlol:

[StroShow4]

Damn. Ryan just delivered a knockout with that last line. :oldlol:

[KingBeasley08]

wow Ryan just made me spit my coffee out. I was curious to see the response to the 47% thing. That was fvcking hilarious

[hoopaddict08]

Ryan is blowing it here, he sounds like a war monger when it comes to the Iran issue. The American people are deluded but they do not want another war.

They both are having their moments. Some very good and some very bad. I think the polls will show a near 50/50 split on who won the "debate" as if it really matters. Biden just needs to quit smiling. He knows how to debate and he has the experience edge over Ryan.

[AlonzoGOAT]

Wow no homo and I'm not even voting but Ryan is one good looking dude

[Patrick Chewing]

Ryan is blowing it here, he sounds like a war monger when it comes to the Iran issue. The American people are deluded but they do not want another war.


"If you do harm to America, we will track you to the 'Gates of Hell' if need be." -Vice President Joe Biden

[Mr Know It All]

"If you do harm to America, we will track you to the 'Gates of Hell' if need be." -Vice President Joe Biden

That was in reference to the Libya issue.:no:

[Bladers]

lol i like how ryan got exposed for sending biden a letter begging for some of the stimilus money he is now condemning.

talk about getting your hand caught in the cookie jar. :oldlol:

[juju151111]

Ryan sending letters to Bidden

[brandonislegend]

Biden turned the tables real quick

[Patrick Chewing]

That was in reference to the Libya issue.:no:

So Biden also sounds like a war monger. Gotta call a spade a spade and not be one-sided here.

[KingBeasley08]

biden winning this one right now

[AlonzoGOAT]

lol i like how ryan got exposed for sending biden a letter begging for some of the stimilus money he is now condemning.

talk about getting your hand caught in the cookie jar. :oldlol:
Holy shit nostradamus ! Ryan just said that :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Mr Know It All]

So Biden also sounds like a war monger. Gotta call a spade a spade and not be one-sided here.

Big difference between Biden talking about hunting down a terrorist cell independent from Libya itself, and Ryan advocating full scale war against the nation of Iran.

[Patrick Chewing]

Biden's acting cocky, and smug and arrogant. Not going to win him votes on character.

[Bladers]

Biden hit Obama's weed stash before the debate

[Patrick Chewing]

and Ryan advocating full scale war against the nation of Iran.


I can rewind this debate a thousand and one times and I betcha I won't hear Paul even remotely saying anything like this.

[Rake2204]

In contrast to President Obama, Joe Biden seems a lot more willing to get his hands dirty by just stepping up and scoffing at what he finds to be untrue. I'm certain he's spinning things just as well, but at least he's willing to not dance around the things he objects.

If nothing else, this debate has been much more entertaining for me to watch than the first one.

[bagelred]

Joe Biden owning.

[rezznor]

Discuss the debate here...


Ryan is going to destroy Biden. I can't wait. :rockon:
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/180589h1tuwh4gif/cmt-medium.gif

[brandonislegend]

Biden = Joker, Ryan = Douchebag.

[daily]

For every great point Biden makes he undoes it by sitting there smiling like an idiot while Ryan is talking.

[brandonislegend]

Ryan is getting raped now.

[KevinNYC]

On the Iran issue.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/11/iran-shipping-sanctions-idUSL6E8LACFI20121011?type=marketsNews


Iran's vital seaborne trade is buckling under the weight of Western sanctions, deepening hardship for a population deprived of basic imports and heaping intense pressure on Tehran over its nuclear programme.

Many of Iran's imports, including food and consumer goods, arrive on container, bulker and other ships, but the number of vessels calling at its ports has dived by more than half this year as the United States and European Union tighten the screws.

Analysts doubt the Iranian economy is near collapse, even though its rial currency has plunged in the last few weeks, but they say some shortages and rising prices of imported goods could provoke public unrest directed at Tehran's leadership.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/10/iran-khamenei-economy-idUSL6E8LA9XL20121010?type=marketsNews

Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei told Iranian officials on Wednesday to stop bickering over mounting economic woes as Tehran grapples with Western-imposed sanctions, voicing concern heightened by the collapse of the rial currency.

His comments touched on divisions between Iranian government agencies and political factions exacerbated by the rial's fall over the past several weeks, fanning an atmosphere of crisis in the world's No. 5 oil-exporting state.

"The country's officials should know and accept their responsibilities and not blame each other," Khamenei said in a televised speech in the northeastern c i ty of Bojnourd. "They should be united and sympathise with each other."

The rial plunged some 35 percent in the free market to a record low against the U.S. dollar over the 10 days to Oct. 2, reflecting a decline in Iran's oil income wrought by tightened sanctions imposed over its disputed nuclear programme.

Iranian savers have rushed to convert their rials into hard currency, and riot police briefly clashed with crowds protesting against the rial's slide near Tehran's Grand Bazaar last week.

[Bladers]

martha: "what are the specifics?"
ryan: "blah blah blah blah"
martha: "no specifics?"

:oldlol: :oldlol:

biden: "let me translate"

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Nash]

link?

[juju151111]

martha: "what are the specifics?"
ryan: "blah blah blah blah"
martha: "no specifics?"

:oldlol: :oldlol:

biden: "let me translate"

:roll: :roll: :roll:
Lmao Bidden going nut.

[Bladers]

For every great point Biden makes he undoes it by sitting there smiling like an idiot while Ryan is talking.

cause ryan is a fairy godmother joke.

[Mr Know It All]

Biden got the upper hand during the taxes debate.

[brandonislegend]

link?

I pmed you a link bro

[Nash]

I pmed you a link bro
thanks

[DonDadda59]

Mr. Ryan... You need more people, we don't believe you.

Empty rhetoric means nothing.. Give us specifics.

[KingBeasley08]

this is a beatdown

[statman32]

This is a horrific debate. Chaos everywhere, with Biden showing no respect for anyone. That's what they get for hiring a women moderator.

[KingBeasley08]

This is a horrific debate. Chaos everywhere, with Biden showing no respect for anyone. That's what they get for hiring a women moderator.
:oldlol:

[bagelred]

This is a horrific debate. Chaos everywhere, with Biden showing no respect for anyone. That's what they get for hiring a women moderator.

This debate is awesome. This is the way debates should be. Going back and forth and calling each other out.

[Patrick Chewing]

This is a horrific debate. Chaos everywhere, with Biden showing no respect for anyone. That's what they get for hiring a women moderator.


The moderator is awful. Interrupting Ryan while he's being interrupted by Biden!

[SpecialQue]

This debate is entertaining. I don't know why anyone's bitching about it.

[bagelred]

Chris Rock ‏@chrisrockoz

Joe Biden can complete this debate in a bathrobe with a cigar hanging from the corner of his mouth leaning back in his chair like Al Bundy.

:lol

[bagelred]

Chris Rock ‏@chrisrockoz

Joe Biden: Martha, I'd like to go back to smacking Paul Ryan w/ my balls #TeamBiden

:oldlol:

[longhornfan1234]

How liberal is this moderator?

[Patrick Chewing]

How liberal is this moderator?


I think she's related to Biden

[hoopaddict08]

The moderator is awful. Interrupting Ryan while he's being interrupted by Biden!


Haha I was thinking the same thing.

Obama needed this after his awful debate. Obama plays good cop and Biden plays bad cop. It works for them. Ryan just doesnt have the experience to compete nor the snarky, cockiness that Biden has.

[irondarts]

Biden just doesn't give a fvck. He's like the exact opposite tonight as Obama was in his first debate.

[KingBeasley08]

gingrich vs biden. even matchup for the ages lmao

[Bladers]

biden: "not in the east?"


biden: "afgans to do the job"

lmao biden bodybaging this fool. :roll:

[Meticode]

I like how Biden keeps pointing with his finger when he repeats this on purpose to make a point, sometimes using his middle finger. :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Loneshot]

Why does Biden keep saying "my friend" lol

[irondarts]

lol @ Ryan always having that dumbass smirk on his face. Biden is just going in. Looks like he just wants to beat Ryan down.

[SpecialQue]

At times Biden looks like he's ready to punch Ryan.

[RoseCity07]

I didn't believe the hype about Biden's debating skills. He has mopped the floor with Ryan. Ryan has been destroyed.:bowdown: :bowdown:

[irondarts]

"What would my friend do? If you notice he never actually answers the question." :oldlol: :oldlol:

[SpecialQue]

"What would my friend do? If you notice he never actually answers the question." :oldlol: :oldlol:

"My friend" seems to be a euphemism for "this motherfvcker."

[hoopaddict08]

Biden has no regard for human life

[Loneshot]

my friend, my friend.

[irondarts]

The Onion going full fledged:

Biden Unleashes Torrent Of Vomit on Debate Stage (http://www.theonion.com/articles/biden-unleashes-torrent-of-vomit-on-debate-stage,29886/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=standard-post:headline:default)

Ryan Chugs Down Rhino Horn And Bull Semen Shake For Mid-Debate Boost (http://www.theonion.com/articles/ryan-chugs-down-rhino-horn-and-bull-semen-shake-fo,29882/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=standard-post:headline:default)

[Loneshot]

So what would Romney/Ryan do as opposed to what Obama/Biden would do?

Ryan: Ugh...well, actually we'd do what they would do *proceeds to turn topic to saying what is wrong about Obama/Biden*

[KingBeasley08]

this country is fvcked lmao

[SpecialQue]

this country is fvcked lmao

:cheers:

[RaininThrees]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbrbcnxpa81rg2rf7o1_500.gif

[hoopaddict08]

Personally I hate saying your pro life with certain restrictions. You are either for life or your not.

[irondarts]

Republicans want government completely out of peoples lives.....unless it concerns abortion or gay marriage, of course. :rolleyes:

[brandonislegend]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbrbcnxpa81rg2rf7o1_500.gif
:roll: I laughed out loud

[bagelred]

"We believe life begins at conception.....except if you were raped, then you can kill that little bastard."

:hammerhead:

Also, what a f=cking LOADED question for conservatives on abortion. "Talk about religion and abortion." Huh? Why are you connecting the two? That's a biased conservative question.

[irondarts]

What a great last question. :oldlol:

[Loneshot]

This lady looks like an even older Sarah Palin.

[SpecialQue]

This lady looks like an even older Sarah Palin.

I'd hit it and buy her the morning after pill.

[Meticode]

This lady looks like an even older Sarah Palin.
:wtf: :wtf:

[Nash]

lol at this dude. She asks why its become such a negative campaign and he starts off by bashing Obama :lol

[irondarts]

lol at this dude. She asks why its become such a negative campaign and he starts off by bashing Obama :lol
His whole entire answer was just bashing down Obama. Hilarious.

[irondarts]

They just need to end this debate before a fist fight breaks out.

[Bladers]

ryan: "honesty"

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[irondarts]

I love how Biden continues to call the moderator by her name, but refuses to address Ryan as anything other than "my friend"

That was a nice closing statement by Biden.

[shlver]

"We believe life begins at conception.....except if you were raped, then you can kill that little bastard."

:hammerhead:

Also, what a f=cking LOADED question for conservatives on abortion. "Talk about religion and abortion." Huh? Why are you connecting the two? That's a biased conservative question.
The moderator actually asked this question?

[RaininThrees]

My view of this debate, with Homer taking the role of Joe Biden:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAUY1J8KizU

[irondarts]

It's going to be too easy.
Not that easy I guess. Ryan got a severe beat down.

[RaininThrees]

The moderator actually asked this question?

I believe what she was trying to reveal was how much the VP's personal religion would impact the decisions they make in office... decisions which would impact people of many faiths not their own.

[Is He Ill]

Ryan got skullf*cked.

[AlonzoGOAT]

LOL wtf CNN can't censor for shit did you see when ryan spit on his hand and shook bidens hand and said "how you like that bitch nikka"

[L.Kizzle]

Was Ryan shooting a commercial, dude looked like he read lines off a script.

[Is He Ill]

Was Ryan shooting a commercial, dude looked like he read lines off a script.

That's what I was thinking as well.

[Rake2204]

Was Ryan shooting a commercial, dude looked like he read lines off a script.That last portion definitely felt like an infomercial.

[Rasheed1]

Ryan got crushed.... Biden was talking to him like he was Ryan's dad :oldlol:


Funny thing is that Obama has the easier job...


Biden went in on Ryan.. Cut him off repeatedly. It would be seen as rude if Mitt hadnt already drop the gloves on Obama in the last debate. Now the democrats are gonna go all out...

[DonDadda59]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01364/joeBiden_1364060c.jpg

=

http://www.badassoftheweek.com/honeybadger1.jpg

[L.Kizzle]

That last portion definitely felt like an infomercial.
He probably practiced that in the mirror the past week.

[Styles p]

holy hell biden beat him down, ass raped him then finished him off with a curb stomp.

[longhornfan1234]

Biden owned Ryan on foreign policy. Biden won the debate...unfortunately.

[Patrick Chewing]

That was a nice closing statement by Biden.


Oh c'mon. He was channeling his inner Alec Baldwin by speaking in that low grizzly tone. Pathetic.

[Bladers]

Joe Biden to Obama after debate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKDdIJcSSQ0

[Patrick Chewing]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbrbcnxpa81rg2rf7o1_500.gif


Not a Biden fan, but this gif is :oldlol:

[johndeeregreen]

Despite his arrogance and frequent interruption (or perhaps because of), Biden dominated this debate. More specific and sure of himself by far. Ryan stumbled repeatedly when Biden pressed him for specifics, and while obviously every single policy can't be 100% mapped out at this point and that's understandable, Ryan was downright evasive a few times whereas Biden was ready for everything. Not even close IMO.

[hoopaddict08]

Biden owned Ryan on foreign policy. Biden won the debate...unfortunately.


Biden may have destroyed Ryan; I think Ryan didn't really have to win the debate. Ryan did what he had to do, and Biden did what he had to do. America doesn't know Ryan, so he just had to show who he was. Unfortunately that will be overshadowed by Biden constantly interrupting and trying to tear him apart which was what he HAD to do after Obamas lack of debate.

[Jailblazers7]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01364/joeBiden_1364060c.jpg

=

http://www.badassoftheweek.com/honeybadger1.jpg

:oldlol:

[Nanners]

how would you feel if paul ryan was the president of the united states?

how would you feel if joe biden was the president of the united states?

[iggy>]

r.i.p. paul ryan

[bagelred]

Slate ‏@Slate

RT @cbsnews: INSTANT POLL of Undecided Voters: Who won #VPdebate? BIDEN: 50% RYAN: 31% TIE: 19% Live Coverage: http://CBSNews.com

Can't believe its even that close.

[Is He Ill]

Can't believe its even that close.

Must be all of the anti abortion folk.

[RaininThrees]

Must be all of the anti abortion folk.

The most interesting thing to me was Ryan's assertion that he/they would take the decision on abortion OUT of the hands of judges.

[demons2005]

The desperation is heavy in the air for the democrats. If I was Joe Biden's soldier son I'd be wearing double body armor and not going to places without a head-mounted webcam. I highly suspect they will find a way to have him killed by the "taliban" to garner sympathy vote.

[irondarts]

The desperation is heavy in the air for the democrats. If I was Joe Biden's soldier son I'd be wearing double body armor and not going to places without a head-mounted webcam. I highly suspect they will find a way to have him killed by the "taliban" to garner sympathy vote.

What an extremely bizarre and irrational comment.

[bagelred]

Must be all of the anti abortion folk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvF1Q3UidWM

[irondarts]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvF1Q3UidWM
So true.

"If you're pre-born you're fine, if you're pre-school you're fvcked."

[Is He Ill]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvF1Q3UidWM

God damn, Carlin was awesome.

[Cangri]

Well who would've thought that Biden would give Obama some life, now it's Obama who has to do better in the next debates.

[demons2005]

What an extremely bizarre and irrational comment.
You have to remember that Obama is a sociopath willing to do anything to hang on to power, much like many presidents on the continent he was born on

[irondarts]

You have to remember that Obama is a sociopath willing to do anything to hang on to power, much like many presidents on the continent he was born on
Wowzer. :facepalm

[Nanners]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A4-CmQRCQAAMvDq.jpg

[Meticode]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A4-CmQRCQAAMvDq.jpg
:roll:

[Meticode]

It's so funny how delusional people are. I'm not pro Obama or Romney, but all my friends on Facebook who are pro-Romney are like "Ryan won that debate." They're all smoking crack if they believe that.

[Is He Ill]

You have to remember that Obama is a sociopath willing to do anything to hang on to power, much like many presidents on the continent he was born on

You're so bright and rational!

[ClutchOver9000]

lol...Biden's debating skills are no joke, dude gets down to the nitty-gritty, and just doesnt give a fvck....Ryan got beat down tonight. Obama's looking very fortunate...

Tie game in the debates so far...

[Pacers4ever]

What a shit era for presidency

[Patrick Chewing]

It's so funny how delusional people are. I'm not pro Obama or Romney, but all my friends on Facebook who are pro-Romney are like "Ryan won that debate." They're all smoking crack if they believe that.


Let's be realistic, people are saying Biden won simply cause he was condescending, rude, smirking and cracking jokes.

[daily]

CNN Politics ‏@CNNPolitics
#CNNUndecideds vote that the #VPdebate was a tie. One-third say Joe Biden won. One-third say Paul Ryan won. One-third are undecided.
Retweeted by CNN Breaking News

[Dictator]

R.i.p. ryan

[Rake2204]

It's so funny how delusional people are. I'm not pro Obama or Romney, but all my friends on Facebook who are pro-Romney are like "Ryan won that debate." They're all smoking crack if they believe that.I agree. It tends to go both ways (Democrats and Rebuplicans) and it's honestly kind of depressing.

[Clifton]

It's so funny how delusional people are. I'm not pro Obama or Romney, but all my friends on Facebook who are pro-Romney are like "Ryan won that debate." They're all smoking crack if they believe that.
gosh, I haven't heard that from anyone. He didn't just lose the posturing contest, he also got beat on content. And it didn't even seem like there was anything he could've done. Even though this election is 85% economy, and it's far from clear to me which side has the better economic plan though I vaguely suspect it's the Republicans (but couldn't for 5 minutes back that up), the economy was like 15 minutes of the screen time, and Ryan let Biden even manhandle him there.. on everything he tried it seemed.

[longhornfan1234]

CNN Politics ‏@CNNPolitics
#CNNUndecideds vote that the #VPdebate was a tie. One-third say Joe Biden won. One-third say Paul Ryan won. One-third are undecided.
Retweeted by CNN Breaking News


I thought Biden won. Btw...I'm a Republican.

[RedBlackAttack]

CNN Politics ‏@CNNPolitics
#CNNUndecideds vote that the #VPdebate was a tie. One-third say Joe Biden won. One-third say Paul Ryan won. One-third are undecided.
Retweeted by CNN Breaking News
Wow... So, the undecideds are still very undecided. Shocker of the night.

Who are these people and why should I care what they think (not directing that at you, but the incessant beating of the "undecideds" this time every four years). I'd hate to be behind one of these people at the deli.

[daily]

It's so funny how delusional people are. I'm not pro Obama or Romney, but all my friends on Facebook who are pro-Romney are like "Ryan won that debate." They're all smoking crack if they believe that.I think it' an affirmation thing. If you're for Romney you'll think Ryan won, if you're pro Obama you'll think Biden was the winner. I don't think either said or taught us anything new that we haven't heard a 100 times already

[Dictator]

lol at these polls having Ryan winning by 10

ryan 56 biden 38 ....hell naw

[Cangri]

lol at these polls having Ryan winning by 10
These polls target the undecided, they are basically retards that don't know who to vote for. Seriously, how can't you not know who you are voting for:facepalm

[daily]

I thought Biden won. Btw...I'm a Republican.I think he won too but I think his constant interrupting and stupid grinning was beneath him. It won't play well except with the comedy crowd that will have a field day with it.

In the end Vice Presidential debates do little more than fill time between the Presidential ones which usually don't have much impact on things either. Both sides will claim victory and in a day we won't be talking about this anymore. These Vice Presedential things are important for about 36 hours :lol


CNN Politics ‏@CNNPolitics
BREAKING NEWS: CNN/ORC Post-Debate Poll Results: Who won the debate? Ryan 48% | Biden 44%. (+/-5 MOE) #CNNDebate

[daily]

CNN/ORC POLL DEBATE WATCHERS Who Was More In Touch With Problems of People Like You? Ryan 51%, Biden 44%

CNN/ORC POLL DEBATE WATCHERS Who Was More Likeable? Ryan 53% Biden 43%

CNN poll found 48% say Ryan won, 44% say Biden. Essentially a draw -- w/ lots of passion fm partisans on both sides. #cnndebate

[Is He Ill]

lol at these polls having Ryan winning by 10

ryan 56 biden 38 ....hell naw

They probably made a last second decision following the closing scripted ad by Ryan.

[IcanzIIravor]

You have to remember that Obama is a sociopath willing to do anything to hang on to power, much like many presidents on the continent he was born on

You're a birther judging by this statement, so are you sure Obama is the sociopath willing to do and say anything? Do you think the state of Hawaii is in on the conspiracy? Are you aware Ryan sends a copy of the Hawaii birth certificate to people who email and call his office with birther nonsense?

[Rojogaqu11]

They both had good points, but overall I think Ryan looked more respectful and controlled. Biden may have given a spark to the Democratic campaign, but anyone who thinks that he clearly won the debate is probably placing too much stock into Biden's condescending attitude throughout the debate.

The moderator also looked WAY biased and could not stop Biden from interrupting because even she interrupted Ryan a couple of times.

In the end I think it was all part of the Democratic party's plan to make Ryan look like a novice, by getting Joe to laugh and interrupt him.
In my opinion, this gave some energy to those let down by Obama, but it may have turned off some swing voters who may have seen that attitude as vain and patronizing.

[KevinNYC]

Ryan stumbled repeatedly when Biden pressed him for specifics, and while obviously every single policy can't be 100% mapped out at this point and that's understandable, Ryan was downright evasive a few times.

This actually seems to the Republican team's policy, keep specifics to minimum and be as vauge as you can. Romney keeps claiming over and over that he can't give specifics on his tax plan because he has negotiate with the Congress over the law.

As Biden said, it's a bunch of malarkey.

[Meticode]

I'm not pro-Obama or Romney, but let me ask people a question. What's the reasoning to re-elect Obama back in office? In his four years I don't see it as a success. The debt is worse, unemployment has barely changed at all sticking between 7-10% the whole time. And that's what most of this is about. Does re-electing him make things better or just contain the damage because people think Romney will do a worse job?

Please educate me. I am ignorant on the political front.

[IcanzIIravor]

I'm not pro-Obama or Romney, but let me ask people a question. What's the reasoning to re-elect Obama back in office? In his four years I don't see it as a success. The debt is worse, unemployment has barely changed at all sticking between 7-10% the whole time. Does re-electing him making things better or just contain the damage because people think Romney will do a worse job?

Please educate me. I am ignorant on the political front.

I'm living overseas so my primary concern is foreign policy. I prefer the Obama approach to the one Romney wants to point the US in. I don't think the US military needs the type of increases in spending team Romney is advocating, nor do I think we need to be openly militant towards Russia and Iran. My understanding is Romney's team has also spoken of arming the opposition in Syria against the Asad government, even though we don't know how the fractured opposition would do should they attain power. I also think the bellicose words towards China with regards to trade won't do much good for the US as well. I'd prefer the approach of working behind the scenes to talking like it's an old western and the US is John Wayne.

[DonDadda59]

Let's be realistic, people are saying Biden won simply cause he was condescending, rude, smirking and cracking jokes.

Nah, it was moreso that the Romney/Ryan ticket finally got their card pulled on the specifics of their empty rhetoric, repeatedly. The response was very telling silence. We've gotten nothing but talk that isn't backed up by anything tangible and doesn't make any sense mathematically for months. All they've provided when asked for the details is more or less 'We can't tell you until we get into the White House, trust us on this one'.

Either they don't have specifics, or they don't want the American public to be privy to those specifics. Either way, that is potentially disastrous for the country.

[Patrick Chewing]

I'm not pro-Obama or Romney, but let me ask people a question. What's the reasoning to re-elect Obama back in office?

Cause he cool man, 'ya know.

[IcanzIIravor]

Cause he cool man, 'ya know.

What specific policies Romney/Ryan are advocating that make you want to vote for them? Is it a vote against Obama or are you genuinely excited about what Romney will do as President?

[Timmy D for MVP]

I'm not pro-Obama or Romney, but let me ask people a question. What's the reasoning to re-elect Obama back in office? In his four years I don't see it as a success. The debt is worse, unemployment has barely changed at all sticking between 7-10% the whole time. And that's what most of this is about. Does re-electing him make things better or just contain the damage because people think Romney will do a worse job?

Please educate me. I am ignorant on the political front.

It depends on who you ask.

In 2008 we were teetering over an edge. I personally didn't think ANYONE was going to bring us back in 4 years. It just wasn't going to happen.

Honestly 4 years isn't a very long time when dealing with what we had to deal with. I think even Obama knew that, but of course to get elected in this country you have to go with high rhetoric.

We have seen some positive things from the administration, I think those re-electing Obama believe him to be the best suited to complete the task since it's his program so to speak. Bring in the opposing party and it gets unwritten. There is also his foreign policy stances, education, etc. But really at the end of the day people care about money. 4 years isn't much of a measuring stick when dealing with what was dealt with.

It's unquantifiable but the argument is it would have been far worse without him, and the build is best behind him. That's how I see it.

I have started to appreciate the ludicrousness of politics even more during this election process. It really is ridiculous.

[yobore]

I'm not pro-Obama or Romney, but let me ask people a question. What's the reasoning to re-elect Obama back in office? In his four years I don't see it as a success. The debt is worse, unemployment has barely changed at all sticking between 7-10% the whole time. And that's what most of this is about. Does re-electing him make things better or just contain the damage because people think Romney will do a worse job?

Please educate me. I am ignorant on the political front.
It's what they talk about alot but unemployment isn't really something the president can fix short term unless they go socialist a la FDR and just hire everybody. I don't see either of them fixing the economy that's up to innovation and businesses. I won't vote for Romney though because of his chest beating macho foreign policy style that 99% of the rest of the world hates and has never done any good for us. There is still a camp in America that thinks America should micromanage the Mideast/S.A by proxy strong men like we did in the 50's and 60's (which resulted in most of the world's current crackpot leaders like those in Iran and Venezuela). They are still whining that we didn't support Mubarak. I think the " project a huge military throughout the worlds and talk tough" America policy is embraced by some because USSR fell when we did it. USSR may have spent way too much on their military to keep up with us (isn't that a reason to not spend so much on the military today?) which sped up its demise but it was defeated by a terrible economic system, war in Afghanistan, and the fact that it was a bunch of countries that had little in common. Beating your chest about American exceptionalism and calling everything an "act of war" does nothing but damage our relations. A group of terrorists attacks our consulate and then you have people wanting us to take a harder stance on their country, which is on our side and trying to get back on its feet.

Also Romney seems to want to do whatever Likud bids him to do.

Economically, attitude wise they're different but policy wise they will be similar. I don't think either will lower taxes or axe popular entitlement programs. I do think that Obama and Biden know a little more about the full financial spectrum of Americans than Romney and Ryan. Attitude doesn't matter as much for economy.

So those who say "they're all the same" maybe you may be right policy-wise but having a more diplomatic attitude to the rest of the world is good for our image abroad, our deficit, and for the natural development of other countries so they try to get good leaders for them instead of just going by whoever is the most anti-American.

Our reinstatement of the Shah is the reason Iran is still ****ed up today. Chavez has successfully based his entire political career on being anti-America after decades of us trying to influence Central/South America with terrible consequences and trying to keep third world countries from nationalizing their oil. We've done a lot of good things for the world too like WWII and the Marshall plan, but let other countries figure stuff out for themselves if they elect morons don't help them get reelected them by acting like an ignorant dick and talking tough all the time

[Patrick Chewing]

What specific policies Romney/Ryan are advocating that make you want to vote for them? Is it a vote against Obama or are you genuinely excited about what Romney will do as President?


Obama's spread the wealth approach in 2008 signed the deal for me. I did give him a fair shot afterwards, but everything has been stagnant since then. While he's only been in office a little under four years, I really don't see any light at the end of the tunnel regarding jobs. Romney says he has a plan, and Obama says we are improving, yet it is evident that we are clearly not. I know a lot of unemployed Democrats that still want to vote for this guy. I will probably know a lot more unemployed Democrats should he win a second term.

[yobore]

Romney says he has a plan
A supersecret plan where he gets elected and the economy just booms so we collect much more revenue at low tax rates.

[Patrick Chewing]

A supersecret plan where he gets elected and the economy just booms so we collect much more revenue at low tax rates.


http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/princeton-economist-obama-campaign-misrepresenting-my-study-romneys-tax-plan_653917.html

[KevinNYC]

I'm not pro-Obama or Romney, but let me ask people a question. What's the reasoning to re-elect Obama back in office? In his four years I don't see it as a success. The debt is worse, unemployment has barely changed at all sticking between 7-10% the whole time. And that's what most of this is about. Does re-electing him make things better or just contain the damage because people think Romney will do a worse job?

Please educate me. I am ignorant on the political front.

This line of reasoning only works if you think the Recession of 2007-2009 (http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R40198.pdf)was a normal recession. And it was not. It was the worst financial situation of any one this board's lifetime. And the recession was global. I think people are factoring that in when looking at Obama. Also, ever since the Republicans embraced the Tea Party, I think people saw them as caring more about the debt than about jobs.

In the US the recession started in December 2007 and in September 2008 became a full blown financial crisis. It wasn't until June of 2009 that the economy stopped contracting. However unemployment trails the months of contraction. The financial markets blew up in September 2008, but it was January 2009 that saw the very worst job losses and job losses continued into early 2010 and then slowly started coming up.

http://assets.dstatic.org/imgs/blog/20121005-jobs_chart.gif

So it's not correct to say that unemployment barely changed. It peaked and 10% and then fell back. (Also the difference between 7 and 10% is really huge.)

The Tea Party has basically attacked any plan designed to help during the crisis. But the thing is they worked. (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/28/business/economy/28bailout.html) Economists were really scared that we were headed towards another Great Depression.


In a new paper, the economists argue that without the Wall Street bailout, the bank stress tests, the emergency lending and asset purchases by the Federal Reserve, and the Obama administration’s fiscal stimulus program, the nation’s gross domestic product would be about 6.5 percent lower this year.

In addition, there would be about 8.5 million fewer jobs, on top of the more than 8 million already lost; and the economy would be experiencing deflation, instead of low inflation.

....
“While the effectiveness of any individual element certainly can be debated, there is little doubt that in total, the policy response was highly effective,” they write.

Mr. Blinder and Mr. Zandi emphasize the sheer size of the fallout from the financial crisis. They estimate the total direct cost of the recession at $1.6 trillion, and the total budgetary cost, after adding in nearly $750 billion in lost revenue from the weaker economy, at $2.35 trillion, or about 16 percent of G.D.P

This simply was not a routine crisis.

[Kobe 4 The Win]

Too much BS and spitting out baloney statistics by both of them. None of that crap is going to mean much to the average citizen. I guarantee that both of these guys are gonna take a beating when someone fact checks them.

Biden smirking and laughing at everything Ryan said came off condecending and rude. He did a better job talking directly to the uninformed masses that will be voting for Obama though. Always babbling about the rich.

Ryan had some good moments but he wasn't concise enough and he let Biden and the moderator get away with cutting him off. Overall this debate was boring.

[yobore]

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/princeton-economist-obama-campaign-misrepresenting-my-study-romneys-tax-plan_653917.html
Lots of people have looked at it and most come up with a different conclusion about the feasibility. But Rosen's analysis, cited in the article, starts with the assumption the economy will grow quicker under Romney because of lower taxes on the wealthy, which is in itself something that is debatable. He also includes pretty much eliminating ALL deductions (including for charitable giving) for those making $100,000, which would be reasonable but will never be approved by Norquist's congressmen or anyone else for that matter. Romney himself has made no suggestions of which deductions he will eliminate.

I personally think the economy will recover with either president, and both of them will find excuses for not doing anything about the deficit. Their policies can't be very different because neither would have control of Congress. But in general we will never be able to sustain a budget surplus if it's Republicans they will think it means taxes are too high, and if it's democrats they will start new programs.

[DonDadda59]

Romney says he has a plan.

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/376/566/4da.jpg

[Velocirap31]

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/376/566/4da.jpg

:lol That is perfect.

[RoseCity07]

Can't believe its even that close.

Well polls are usually broken when they favor the democrat remember. Math changes when the democrats are doing well.

[longhornfan1234]

A CNBC poll said that 56 percent thought Ryan was the winner, while 36 declared Biden to be the winner.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/12/ryan-won-vice-presidential-debate-biden-succeeded-say-polls-and-pundits/#ixzz294QDd5yl

[fpliii]

I'm not terribly big on politics, but I'm terrified at the support of rhetoric over specific evidence. I mean, is the objective of the debates to appear to have gotten the best of your opponent of a screaming match? :wtf:

Fortunately a lot of people I know aren't buying this garbage (from either side, but Mitt-Ryan in particular), but it's terrifying that there are segments of the population eating this shit up. :facepalm

How is every political scientist not completely disillusioned with the system? Damn...

[Kobe 4 The Win]

I'm not terribly big on politics, but I'm terrified at the support of rhetoric over specific evidence. I mean, is the objective of the debates to appear to have gotten the best of your opponent of a screaming match? :wtf:

Fortunately a lot of people I know aren't buying this garbage (from either side, but Mitt-Ryan in particular), but it's terrifying that there are segments of the population eating this shit up. :facepalm

How is every political scientist not completely disillusioned with the system? Damn...


This is what Republicans were pissed about in 2008 when Obama was babbling about "hope, change, yes we can" and had no substance to his rhetoric. Also, when Nancy Pelosi was asked what was in the Obamacare bill she replied "we've got to pass it to see what's in it." Now all of a sudden Democrats are demanding specifics from Romney. :rolleyes: I love politics.

There was no one screaming in either of the 2 debates so I don't know what you are talking about there. Anyhow, I look at it this way. Would you rather have old policies that we know don't work(Obama) or new policies that probably won't work(Romney). We're screwed.

[JtotheIzzo]

Biden won the debate, the only thing the right wing spinsters can diss him on is his demeanor and his smirks. He simply pointed out BS each time he sniffed it.

Anyone who thinks Ryan seriously won that debate is a fool, and anyone who gives it to Ryan because of Biden's demeanor is a moron.

Facts matter, and lying should be smirked at.

[Kobe 4 The Win]

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/376/566/4da.jpg


Here's Obamas 5 point plan for fixing the country

1. Raise taxes to stall economic growth

2. Spend trillions of dollars we don't have

3. Print money and continue to de-value the dollar

4. Raise the debt ceiling and quadruple the national debt

5. Gut our military to ensure we never win another war


I can't wait for 4 more years of this dynamic strategy!!!

[IcanzIIravor]

Here's Obamas 5 point plan for fixing the country

1. Raise taxes to stall economic growth

2. Spend trillions of dollars we don't have

3. Print money and continue to de-value the dollar

4. Raise the debt ceiling and quadruple the national debt

5. Gut our military to ensure we never win another war


I can't wait for 4 more years of this dynamic strategy!!!

Can you point to the taxes that have been raised?

Romney plans on spending trillions himself.

Has Romney said he would stop printing money?

Are you aware that the debt ceiling was raised multiple times prior to the Obama administration? Can you point to the benefits of the US defaulting? Under a Romney administration do you think he will not ask that the ceiling be raised if it comes to that?

Are you aware that drastic cuts will go across the board if a compromise is not found between the two parties? Something that Ryan voted on as well. If an agreement is reached then drastic cuts will not happen. Are you in favor of the Romney plan to ramp up military spending even though our spending already dwarfs the rest of the world while making cuts to programs that actually help US citizens?

[MMM]

On the economic front, I dislike that so much emphases is placed on the unemployment rate but I understand that the average voter can relate to it easier then other serious fiscal and monetary issues.
Some things i would like to see;

American need to balance their consumerism with producing goods the world wants.

American need to save more but I would also like to see the currency strengthen so people have confidence that their savings will remain.

Is more regulation needed so we don't see the credit mess of 08 reoccur???

What are some of your ideas in reaching some of these goals????

Seems like both parties want to spend there way to economic growth do guys see a balanced way forward by either candidate???.

[ALBballer]

I thought Biden was condescending and I thought the debate was biased because the moderator failed to keep control. Still Biden won the debate. If these Republicans weren't so pro-War and trying to create issues with every foreign power that opposes America then I probably would vote for them. The debt the current administration has amounted is crazy. But it's not like Romney has put out a better plan.

"Lower tax rate and close tax loopholes" Which tax loopholes? Biden hit it on the head and said these loopholes probably related to mortgage interest deduction, a huge tax break for the middle class.

Bleh another 4 years of shit.

[rufuspaul]

What a shit era for presidency

This.

This wasn't so much a debate as an argument around the dinner table. Biden being the loud-mouth, opinionated drunken dad, Ryan the son home from college who opposes his dad but doesn't have the knowledge or experience to back up any of his arguments, and the moderator is the mom who tries to mediate but fails and only gets on both of their nerves.


Biden has some horrible dentistry going on in his mouth. He looks like someone glued a bunch of chicklets to the front of his teeth.

[Meticode]

This.

This wasn't so much a debate as an argument around the dinner table. Biden being the loud-mouth, opinionated drunken dad, Ryan the son home from college who opposes his dad but doesn't have the knowledge or experience to back up any of his arguments, and the moderator is the mom who tries to mediate but fails and only gets on both of their nerves.


Biden has some horrible dentistry going on in his mouth. He looks like someone glued a bunch of chicklets to the front of his teeth.
I've never been to the dentist in my life, ever!

[brantonli]

I'm very surprised at how so many people are completely against the US devaluing the US dollar. You'd think that it was the scourge of the world, rather than making US exports less expensive and increasing competitiveness lol.

[Rasheed1]

Biden won the debate, the only thing the right wing spinsters can diss him on is his demeanor and his smirks. He simply pointed out BS each time he sniffed it.

Anyone who thinks Ryan seriously won that debate is a fool, and anyone who gives it to Ryan because of Biden's demeanor is a moron.

Facts matter, and lying should be smirked at.


Thank you

Ryan/Romney need to be cut off constantly, and smirked at because they lie soo much it is ridiculous..

It is also starting to bother me how much the media lets these guys slide on their lies...

I keep hearing this BS about Ryan being a "serious politician" :oldlol: no he's not... he's a clown.. He was your run of the mill back bench junior congressman who all of sudden turned into Ayn Rand and a bigtime fiscal hawk as soon as Bush left office. His budget doesnt balance but he is "a serious guy" :rolleyes: gtfoh

Obama needs to go in on Romney just like Biden did on Ryan.. Cut him off every time he lies...Correct those lies on the spot & Don't let anything go unchallenged

[falc39]

I'm very surprised at how so many people are completely against the US devaluing the US dollar. You'd think that it was the scourge of the world, rather than making US exports less expensive and increasing competitiveness lol.

A lot of us are savers, at least those of us who are financially responsible. Devaluing the dollar is a mediocre short term strategy at the risk of great long term loss.

[KevinNYC]

Here's Obamas 5 point plan for fixing the country

1. Raise taxes to stall economic growth

2. Spend trillions of dollars we don't have

3. Print money and continue to de-value the dollar

4. Raise the debt ceiling and quadruple the national debt

5. Gut our military to ensure we never win another war


I can't wait for 4 more years of this dynamic strategy!!!

Do you actually care about #4 if you're concerned about #1?

[brantonli]

A lot of us are savers, at least those of us who are financially responsible. Devaluing the dollar is a mediocre short term strategy at the risk of great long term loss.

I mean devaluing the dollar in the exchange rate, not inflation rate. Besides, the US inflation rate is still fairly manageable. Didn't you wonder why there was a great fuss about a possible currency war, where multiple countries try to devalue their currencies to achieve export competitiveness? Can you please elaborate the long term loss? (I do agree it's a rather mediocre short term strategy, but it's not as horrific as some might think).

[KevinNYC]

Biden has some horrible dentistry going on in his mouth. He looks like someone glued a bunch of chicklets to the front of his teeth.
:lol

You're not a single-issue voter on this are you?

[falc39]

Glad to see more and more people calling these debates and candidates for what they reallu are... Political circus without any substance. It's more and more like entertainment or watching your favorite sports team.

[Droid101]

Here's Obamas 5 point plan for fixing the country

1. Raise taxes to stall economic growth

2. Spend trillions of dollars we don't have

3. Print money and continue to de-value the dollar

4. Raise the debt ceiling and quadruple the national debt

5. Gut our military to ensure we never win another war


I can't wait for 4 more years of this dynamic strategy!!!
Raising taxes has never, ever stalled any type of economic growth (unless you raise the taxes on the middle/lower class). That is a lie, a canard, and needs to be put to rest.

Another fun fact for the "Republicans" here: Ronald Reagan raised taxes more than Obama has.

[Nanners]

i like all these claims about weakening the millitary.

the united states spends as much on millitary as the next 23 countries COMBINED. that means china, russia, all major powers in europe... all of them could combine their millitary spending and we would still be spending more.

who the **** is going to attack us? why do we need to spend as much as the next 23 countries combined?

[falc39]

I mean devaluing the dollar in the exchange rate, not inflation rate. Besides, the US inflation rate is still fairly manageable. Didn't you wonder why there was a great fuss about a possible currency war, where multiple countries try to devalue their currencies to achieve export competitiveness? Can you please elaborate the long term loss? (I do agree it's a rather mediocre short term strategy, but it's not as horrific as some might think).

It's the interest rate.. Savers get demolished by keeping it artificially low and we are inflating bubbles elsewhere in the economy. I don't believe the key to our export competiveness lies in our currency. The problem is more structural and has to do with legislation in this country.

[Sarcastic]

Ryan just went with Rmoney's tactic to just lie, lie, lie all the time no matter what.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/10/12/1002021/at-the-vice-presidential-debate-ryan-told-24-myths-in-40-minutes/

[KevinNYC]

This is what Republicans were pissed about in 2008 when Obama was babbling about "hope, change, yes we can" and had no substance to his rhetoric.

You have to ask yourself why did that work? The reason "Hope and Change" were so powerful was how badly the Republicans have tarnished their brand. Not just the mistakes of George Bush, but how the House was run under the likes of Tom Delay, how the corruption of Jack Abramoff reached throughout the Republican establishment, how the Iraq War seemed more and more like a mistake in retrospect.


I wasn't going to post this comment until I saw this. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-in-vice-presidential-debate-biden-rattles-ryan/2012/10/12/427cd0c0-1430-11e2-be82-c3411b7680a9_story.html)

[QUOTE]In the hours before Thursday night

[Godzuki]

i like all these claims about weakening the millitary.

the united states spends as much on millitary as the next 23 countries COMBINED. that means china, russia, all major powers in europe... all of them could combine their millitary spending and we would still be spending more.

who the **** is going to attack us? why do we need to spend as much as the next 23 countries combined?


u should read about the whole tank issue. basically Congress approved the purchase of millions or billions in tanks of which the army says they don't want or need, but Congress is forcing it on them to keep the military suppliers in business and operating for future military manufacturing needs. i don't know if this was brought up at the VP debates since i didn't watch them but its a factor in our military expenditures that seem like a necessary evil altho really fukked up. oh and the other more f'd up thing to add on to that is our tanks are due for a upgrade in 2014 or something where all of the tanks we're purchasing now will have to be upgraded as well which is going to cost us a lot more for the tanks we're buying when that comes.

[KevinNYC]

Biden has some horrible dentistry going on in his mouth. He looks like someone glued a bunch of chicklets to the front of his teeth.

Richard Cohen today (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/vp-debate-biden-seemed-real-ryan-plastic/2012/10/11/37ec553a-141d-11e2-ba83-a7a396e6b2a7_blog.html)

[QUOTE]The smile

[longhornfan1234]

4 state polls out so far today...

Florida
Romney +3
Romney +4

NH
Romney +4

Virginia
Romney +2

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...lls/president/

[longhornfan1234]

Romney will win Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, Penn, NH, and Colorado.

[Rasheed1]

Romney will win Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, Penn, NH, and Colorado.

Romney's not winning PA... U CAN FUUUUGETABOUTIT

[Rake2204]

Glad to see more and more people calling these debates and candidates for what they reallu are... Political circus without any substance. It's more and more like entertainment or watching your favorite sports team.Truly so. That was the feeling I had from reading my Facebook comments last night. I'm a Michigan guy so I had debate statuses being posted simultaneously alongside Detroit Tigers statuses. And in truth, every status sounded the same, it was just a matter of whether people were blindly pulling for the Tigers ("Bob Melvin's complaining about the strike zone? Get real!"), blindly pulling for Joe Biden ("Why is Paul Ryan looking at Joe Biden like that?"), or blindly pulling for Paul Ryan (Paul Ryan is so polite, very vice presidential. Unlike Biden, who's laughing. What's so funny?).

The fact sports and the future leaders of our country are both approached in the same manner ("Mine is better than yours and you can't change how I feel about anything!") is really depressing.

[Clifton]

Wow... So, the undecideds are still very undecided. Shocker of the night.

Who are these people and why should I care what they think (not directing that at you, but the incessant beating of the "undecideds" this time every four years). I'd hate to be behind one of these people at the deli.
Not undecided on who they've voting for or what they stand for; undecided about who won the debate.

Who wins a debate is rarely clear; and are we going off of who will get the biggest boost because of the debate, or who made the better points? Both were strong debaters who had very different approaches, both made some good points, and both made some awful ones.


The moderator also looked WAY biased and could not stop Biden from interrupting because even she interrupted Ryan a couple of times.
She made a Roman Catholic who supports abortion explain himself with 50 million people watching. In front of a Roman Catholic who does not. And then she returned the topic right back when it was about to change. That's pretty tough. Given the American median opinion concerning that issue, though, I suppose there wasn't much Ryan could really do with it. Any restriction of abortion always feels like the more radical stance, and Biden turned it to his advantage by equating a Romney victory with the overturning of Roe v. Wade, which is baloney.

[Kobe 4 The Win]

Can you point to the taxes that have been raised?

Romney plans on spending trillions himself.

Has Romney said he would stop printing money?

Are you aware that the debt ceiling was raised multiple times prior to the Obama administration? Can you point to the benefits of the US defaulting? Under a Romney administration do you think he will not ask that the ceiling be raised if it comes to that?

Are you aware that drastic cuts will go across the board if a compromise is not found between the two parties? Something that Ryan voted on as well. If an agreement is reached then drastic cuts will not happen. Are you in favor of the Romney plan to ramp up military spending even though our spending already dwarfs the rest of the world while making cuts to programs that actually help US citizens?


Well, Obama wants to repeal the Bush tax cuts. The Supreme Court also recently ruled that forcing people to purchase healthcare or pay a penalty is also a tax so there's two increases right off the top of my head with no research required.

I can't even begin to get into a conversation about economics with someone that equates Romney's planned spending with Obama's. BHO spent more in two years than all the previous Presidents combined. The pace we are on is not sustainable and no amount of BS is gonna change that. There is a clear difference between the economic philosophies of these two men and to pretend that there isn't is insane.

I have no interest in going back and forth with you point for point because there is no common ground between us and it wouldn't accomplish anything. You vote for who you want to vote for and I'll do the same. I'll leave you with this. The problem isn't that government doesn't have enough tax revenue coming in. The problem is that they piss away the money they we give them and then they keep coming back for the rest.

[senelcoolidge]

I was working, so I couldn't see the whole debate. So this is just based on what little I saw. You have to listen to what people say..not the presentation. Too many people today look at it the opposite way..they look at the presentation and the words are secondary. That's backwards. Ryan was professional and formal. Bidan spewed a lot of things...many things that seem not to be true. But because he was rude and was looking down on Ryan this probably made him appear to be more in control and stronger.

[Kobe 4 The Win]

i like all these claims about weakening the millitary.

the united states spends as much on millitary as the next 23 countries COMBINED. that means china, russia, all major powers in europe... all of them could combine their millitary spending and we would still be spending more.

who the **** is going to attack us? why do we need to spend as much as the next 23 countries combined?

What a relief! Don't worry about our enemies folks. Nanners has given us his personal guarantee that we won't be attacked.

[Jailblazers7]

What a relief! Don't worry about our enemies folks. Nanners has given us his personal guarantee that we won't be attacked.

With this attitude why dont we spend 100% of our GDP on defense? You never know when we are gonna need 300,000 battleships to fight our small, poorly funded enemies who operate primarily with guerilla tactics.

[Nanners]

What a relief! Don't worry about our enemies folks. Nanners has given us his personal guarantee that we won't be attacked.

lol, try answering my questions you chump. who exactly is going to attack us? why do we need to spend as much as the next 23 combined?

it is flat out impossible for an "enemy" to get boots on the ground inside of the USA, other than "terrorism" we are untouchable.

are we really that much safer spending as much as the next 23 countries combined than we would be if we cut defense spending in half and spent only as much as the top 10 combined or top 5?

what if the usa cut defense spending such that we were only spending as much as russia, china, the uk, france and india combined. would you feel scared for your safety?

[ALBballer]

This.

This wasn't so much a debate as an argument around the dinner table. Biden being the loud-mouth, opinionated drunken dad, Ryan the son home from college who opposes his dad but doesn't have the knowledge or experience to back up any of his arguments, and the moderator is the mom who tries to mediate but fails and only gets on both of their nerves.


Biden has some horrible dentistry going on in his mouth. He looks like someone glued a bunch of chicklets to the front of his teeth.

Well put.


i like all these claims about weakening the millitary.

the united states spends as much on millitary as the next 23 countries COMBINED. that means china, russia, all major powers in europe... all of them could combine their millitary spending and we would still be spending more.

who the **** is going to attack us? why do we need to spend as much as the next 23 countries combined?

Exactly!

[TheMan]

What a relief! Don't worry about our enemies folks. Nanners has given us his personal guarantee that we won't be attacked.
This nikka scared:oldlol:

[longhornfan1234]

Romney's not winning PA... U CAN FUUUUGETABOUTIT

Yes he will.

[Is He Ill]

This.

This wasn't so much a debate as an argument around the dinner table. Biden being the loud-mouth, opinionated drunken dad, Ryan the son home from college who opposes his dad but doesn't have the knowledge or experience to back up any of his arguments, and the moderator is the mom who tries to mediate but fails and only gets on both of their nerves.


Biden has some horrible dentistry going on in his mouth. He looks like someone glued a bunch of chicklets to the front of his teeth.

:oldlol: Awesome

[Rasheed1]

Yes he will.


PA isnt even a swing state... We're not even in play like that... GOP's voter suppression laws cant save Romney in this state either. They have been scratched by a judge.

Romney needs Ohio to have a good shot, because PA is blue

He aint winning PA :oldlol:

[niko]

Yes he will.
NO he's not, that's silly.

[Real Men Wear Green]

lol, try answering my questions you chump. who exactly is going to attack us? why do we need to spend as much as the next 23 combined?
And what would you do if we have to fight 24? Eh? EH?

[longhornfan1234]

Flash: Tv ratings for vp debate down sharply...

Fox news 10,019,827
cbs 8,308,421
abc 8,287,610
nbc 7,851,757
msnbc 4,378,671
cnn 4,145,951


69.9 million watched in 2008.


Fox news is the best. :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Droid101]

Fox news is the best. :bowdown: :bowdown:
:facepalm

[longhornfan1234]

:facepalm

^

Msnbc watcher. :lol :lol

[Is He Ill]

^

Msnbc watcher. :lol :lol

They both equally suck.

[Droid101]

They both equally suck.
This times a million.

[longhornfan1234]

PA isnt even a swing state... We're not even in play like that... GOP's voter suppression laws cant save Romney in this state either. They have been scratched by a judge.

Romney needs Ohio to have a good shot, because PA is blue

He aint winning PA :oldlol:

Ban bet? Romney will win PA. He also will win CO, VA, NC, FL, and NH.

[Droid101]

Ban bet? Romney will win PA. He also will win CO, VA, NC, FL, and NH.
I will take a ban bet that Romney does not win Pennsylvania's electoral college votes this November. Yes.

[Kobe 4 The Win]

lol, try answering my questions you chump. who exactly is going to attack us? why do we need to spend as much as the next 23 combined?

it is flat out impossible for an "enemy" to get boots on the ground inside of the USA, other than "terrorism" we are untouchable.

are we really that much safer spending as much as the next 23 countries combined than we would be if we cut defense spending in half and spent only as much as the top 10 combined or top 5?

what if the usa cut defense spending such that we were only spending as much as russia, china, the uk, france and india combined. would you feel scared for your safety?

You must not have noticed that China and Russia are starting to flex their nuts in the last several years. Typical Democrat in denial about our so-called "allies". Just like Biden last night telling everyone that Iran is no threat. Pick up a f**king history book and tell me there's nothing to worry about. Cowardice or ignorance, either way these dipshits shouldn't be in charge of defending our country. Especially when you consider that they agree with our enemies about almost everything.

[Droid101]

You must not have noticed that China and Russia are starting to flex their nuts in the last several years. Typical Democrat in denial about our so-called "allies". Just like Biden last night telling everyone that Iran is no threat. Pick up a f**king history book and tell me there's nothing to worry about. Cowardice or ignorance, either way these dipshits shouldn't be in charge of defending our country. Especially when you consider that they agree with our enemies about almost everything.
:roll:

http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/putin-palin-view-from-russia.jpg

[Rasheed1]

:roll:

http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/putin-palin-view-from-russia.jpg


:oldlol: look at him... Peeping thru Palin's window from Russia

[JtotheIzzo]

You must not have noticed that China and Russia are starting to flex their nuts in the last several years. Typical Democrat in denial about our so-called "allies". Just like Biden last night telling everyone that Iran is no threat. Pick up a f**king history book and tell me there's nothing to worry about. Cowardice or ignorance, either way these dipshits shouldn't be in charge of defending our country. Especially when you consider that they agree with our enemies about almost everything.

Last night Ryan was pressed for specifics about how he would do things differently in the middle east and he was unable to come up with anything substantial or specific, nothing new in that regard, but just further proof that the right is very weak in foreign policy and that is not where their interests lie.

[Patrick Chewing]

Last night Ryan was pressed for specifics about how he would do things differently in the middle east and he was unable to come up with anything substantial or specific, nothing new in that regard, but just further proof that the right is very weak in foreign policy and that is not where their interests lie.


He said everything but go to war. The Left thinks every thing is alright on the Foreign Policy front and they can't even get their stories straight on who knew what, when, why, and how. Look up Lara Logan.

[Kobe 4 The Win]

Last night Ryan was pressed for specifics about how he would do things differently in the middle east and he was unable to come up with anything substantial or specific, nothing new in that regard, but just further proof that the right is very weak in foreign policy and that is not where their interests lie.

You can't start speculating on what you would do because other countries, sometimes out allies, are involved. It's not smart to spout off about what if's and the moderator knows that. Ryan did a decent job of talking about his foreign policy philosophy and how it differed from what Obama has done and that's about as much as you can do.

Obama is the poster boy for weak foreign policy. He thought if he came in and apologized and kissed the asses of the rest of the world that he would charm them into doing what he wanted. It didn't happen as you can see when you turn on the news and see our embassies on fire. Oh right but that was just because of a video, or it wasn't, now it is again. Whatever.

[Droid101]

Obama is the poster boy for weak foreign policy.
Yeah, so weak! Get that weakling out of the White House!

The list of senior terrorists killed during the Obama presidency is fairly extensive.

There’s Osama bin Laden, of course, killed in May.

Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) leader Anwar al-Awlaki as of today.

Earlier this month officials confirmed that al Qaeda’s chief of Pakistan operations, Abu Hafs al-Shahri, was killed in Waziristan, Pakistan.

In August, ‘Atiyah ‘Abd al-Rahman, the deputy leader of al Qaeda was killed.

In June, one of the group’s most dangerous commanders, Ilyas Kashmiri, was killed in Pakistan. In Yemen that same month, AQAP senior operatives Ammar al-Wa’ili, Abu Ali al-Harithi, and Ali Saleh Farhan were killed. In Somalia, Al-Qa’ida in East Africa (AQEA) senior leader Harun Fazul was killed.

Administration officials also herald the recent U.S./Pakistani joint arrest of Younis al-Mauritani in Quetta.

Going back to August 2009, Tehrik e-Taliban Pakistan leader Baitullah Mahsud was killed in Pakistan.

In September of that month, Jemayah Islamiya operational planner Noordin Muhammad Top was killed in Indonesia, and AQEA planner Saleh Ali Saleh Nabhan was killed in Somalia.

Then in December 2009 in Pakistan, al Qaeda operational commanders Saleh al-Somali and ‘Abdallah Sa’id were killed.

In February 2010, in Pakistan, Taliban deputy and military commander Abdul Ghani Beradar was captured; Haqqani network commander Muhammad Haqqani was killed; and Lashkar-e Jhangvi leader Qari Zafar was killed.

In March 2010, al Qaeda operative Hussein al-Yemeni was killed in Pakistan, while senior Jemayah Islamiya operative Dulmatin - accused of being the mastermind behind the 2002 Bali bombings – was killed during a raid in Indonesia.

In April 2010, al Qaeda in Iraq leaders Abu Ayyub al-Masri and Abu Omar al-Baghdadi were killed.

In May, al Qaeda’s number three commander, Sheik Saeed al-Masri was killed.

In June 2010 in Pakistan, al Qaeda commander Hamza al-Jawfi was killed.

[daily]

[QUOTE=Droid101]Yeah, so weak! Get that weakling out of the White House!

The list of senior terrorists killed during the Obama presidency is fairly extensive.

There

[Kobe 4 The Win]

[QUOTE=Droid101]Yeah, so weak! Get that weakling out of the White House!

The list of senior terrorists killed during the Obama presidency is fairly extensive.

There

[Droid101]

All killed in wars that he opposed using intelligence gathering techniques that he opposed. Somehow he gets to be against these things and also take credit for them. Must be nice.
Let me guess... if it was a white guy with an R next to his name in office that got all those guys, you'd be cheering from the rooftops, amirite?

You people are disgusting.

[Patrick Chewing]

Let me guess... if it was a white guy with an R next to his name in office that got all those guys, you'd be cheering from the rooftops, amirite?

You people are disgusting.


Isn't that what you're doing though?

[Kobe 4 The Win]

Let me guess... if it was a white guy with an R next to his name in office that got all those guys, you'd be cheering from the rooftops, amirite?

You people are disgusting.

So are you saying that Obama supported the wars and the waterboarding of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?

[JtotheIzzo]

Ryan did a decent job of talking about his foreign policy philosophy and how it differed from what Obama has done and that's about as much as you can do.



Did he? I must have missed that part, refresh my memory, what did he say, how was it different? Oh, you are talking shit, ok, got it.:facepalm

[Scoooter]

Yeah, that was probably the most egregiously asinine part of the night for Ryan. He spared no criticism of the current administration, but when pressed, his own position, as I gathered, was basically that the Romney-Ryan administration would stick to all of the same time-lines the current administration has plans to adhere to, but without the wide-spread international support the current plans have. So, do everything the same, but somehow make the rest of the world stop liking it.

How they accomplish something like that - or why they'd want to - is unclear.

[IcanzIIravor]

So are you saying that Obama supported the wars and the waterboarding of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed?

Obama supported the Afghan war. He didn't support the Iraq war. No one in their right mind supported the water boarding of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Are we even sure to this day that it was the water boarding that actually broke him? The actionable intelligence that came out of Khalid was put to use well before Obama came to power as well, so I am not sure why you are bringing that up. I take it you supported our invasion of Iraq so you support the Neocon vision of the middle east or do you think it is our job to overthrow dictators in that part of the world?

[rufuspaul]

All killed in wars that he opposed using intelligence gathering techniques that he opposed. Somehow he gets to be against these things and also take credit for them. Must be nice.


I have a big problem with Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize and then continuing in clandestine killing, proudly boasting when he hits an Al Qaeda member despite killing untold numbers of innocents in countries against which we are not at war. It's more than a little two-faced.

[KevinNYC]

Originally Posted by Kobe 4 The Win
All killed in wars that he opposed using intelligence gathering techniques that he opposed. Somehow he gets to be against these things and also take credit for them. Must be nice.
This is a joke right?
Obama was not against the War in Afghanistan and campaigned on focusing more on it. He opposed the invasion of Iraq and history has proven that solid judgment.
He campaigned on being willing to go into Pakistan to get Bin Laden and he did it. McCain attacked him for this.
He has stepped up the war on Al Queda in Yemen.

Also what intelligence gathering techniques did he oppose? He opposed torture which aside from being completely Unamerican, it's also known by the FBI and the US military that it's not actually a way to gather intelligence. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp0ZynY1LJw) The FBI interrogator who interrogated Abu Zubaydah notes all the actionable intelligence we got out of him, came before we started torturing him via waterboarding. What they ended up getting was a load of shit. Invesitgators who tasked with following up this intelligence came away saying 99% was useless and just wasted their time.

The techniques the CIA came up with was complete amateur hour. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Elmer_Mitchell) The reverse-engineering techniques used by totalitarian governments to break people, not to get to the truth. Do you think the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia was interested in the truth? Do you think the US should use the same techniques as the Khmer Rouge.?

Also the legal justification for CIA torture was REVOKED during Bush's first term when Jack Goldsmith took over the Office of Legal Council. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture_Memos). So are you saying that all these people were killed in 2010, 2011 and 2012 because of what happened before 2005? Bullshit. Simple bullshit.



I have a big problem with Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize and then continuing in clandestine killing, proudly boasting when he hits an Al Qaeda member despite killing untold numbers of innocents in countries against which we are not at war. It's more than a little two-faced.

Have you read Obama's Nobel acceptance speech? It will give you some insight into who he actually is. Both left and right often misread him.

[KevinNYC]

Interesting bit on the drone attacks in Waziristan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_attacks#Reactions_from_people_in_Waziristan) and how the locals think of them. Wonder if it's true.