ESPN: Bulls will likely extend Gibson, Amnesty Boozer

[eliteballer]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8513967/nba-contract-extension-chances-class-2009

[HylianNightmare]

holy shit

[mark]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8513967/nba-contract-extension-chances-class-2009


Amnesty Boozer. Was a star once, with Utah and Cleveland. Apparently declined in Chicago, even though he was one of the most consistent performers. He lost passion, but still has talent to be consistent enough, but obviously severely overpaid. Agree with Amnesty but disappointed.

[KeyNote]

Good move..gibson is much better defensively and has so much upside

whereas boozer looks to be on the decline

[KyrieTheFuture]

It's about damn time.

[Segatti]

They should had done this before, and resigned Asik. Noah + Asik + Gibson = best defensive and rebounding frontcourt on the league.

[InfiniteBaskets]

So which teams are willing to take Boozer? It would have to be a team under the salary cap during the first round of bids, right?

[Dbrog]

They should had done this before, and resigned Asik. Noah + Asik + Gibson = best defensive and rebounding frontcourt on the league.

Agreed on the Asik move.

[qrich]

So which teams are willing to take Boozer? It would have to be a team under the salary cap during the first round of bids, right?

Yup, but I see him nding up as a FA.

[IGotACoolStory]

Should have done it last season.

[blacknapalm]

makes sense. once boozer started to decline offensively (especially in the half court set), it was an easy decision. taj is better as long as he stays healthy. still think they should have kept asik but that poison pill really hurt them. asik + gibson was one helluva rebounding/defensive frontcourt

[crisoner]

Boozer to the Heat callin it!

[Money 23]

Meh. I hate my team's franchise front office.

So many dumb moves. From 1999 - it's been one mistake after another. We luck into D. Rose, and then the kid has a career altering knee injury.

Post MJ curse? IDK. We never should've signed Boozer for that money from the get go. Ugh, I hate this team apart from Rose and Gibson.

[ripthekik]

bout time. If the Bulls had another legit big instead of Boozer the last 2 years, they would've gotten further in the playoffs.

[Money 23]

bout time. If the Bulls had another legit big instead of Boozer the last 2 years, they would've gotten further in the playoffs.
Dude, we drafted Ty Thomas over Lamarcus Aldridge AND Brandon Roy.

:mad:

[NuggetsFan]

T-Wolves? K.Love going down for abit, could use any help you can get at PF in the meantime if you're looking at making a playoff run when Love comes back.

[EnoughSaid]

They should go after J-Smoove! :eek:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Dude, we drafted Ty Thomas over Lamarcus Aldridge AND Brandon Roy.

:mad:


actually you guys drafted Aldridge and then traded him for Thomas :cheers:

[Levity]

T-Wolves? K.Love going down for abit, could use any help you can get at PF in the meantime if you're looking at making a playoff run when Love comes back.

I dont think Boozer can be amnestied until next summer. The deadline ended during this past summer

[Money 23]

actually you guys drafted Aldridge and then traded him for Thomas :cheers:
Even worse.

A Clipper / Laker fan is schooling me on the actual details because I'm trying to forget so many atrocious deals over the past decade and a half.

:oldlol:

[ripthekik]

Dude, we drafted Ty Thomas over Lamarcus Aldridge AND Brandon Roy.

:mad:
You got Rose 2 years later though, so probably better it played out that way :cheers:

[Money 23]

You got Rose 2 years later though, so probably better it played out that way :cheers:
We still could've got lucky getting Rose even with either Roy or Aldridge. That's all it was in 2008, our record wasn't near as bad as the other teams at the bottom of that draft. And then Rose messes his knee and his superior / game changing athleticism vanishes. Jay Williams gets in a motorcycle accident in 2003 before we can trade up to get hometown product, Dwyane Wade. One thing after another, both bad decisions and luck. :(

[DuMa]

i didnt read the article yet but did the Bulls publically outright say this? if so dumb move

[ripthekik]

We still could've got lucky getting Rose even with either Roy or Aldridge. That's all it was in 2008, our record wasn't near as bad as the other teams at the bottom of that draft. And then Rose messes his knee and his superior / game changing athleticism vanishes. Jay Williams gets in a motorcycle accident in 2003 before we can trade up to get hometown product, Dwyane Wade. One thing after another, both bad decisions and luck. :(
Well, you don't know how it'll go with Rose yet.
But you can't be more proud of the Bulls during this Rose era. I've been rooting for them the last few playoffs. Especially the Celtics series that went 7 games.. what a series.. Noah steals the ball and fastbreak right in front of Pierce.. I can still remember that series so clearly.
Rose/Asik/Gibson/Noah/Deng are all-heart players. I'm happy to see Boozer finally gone, that money should've went into better use.

[tikay0]

Dude, we drafted Ty Thomas over Lamarcus Aldridge AND Brandon Roy.

:mad:

Then we wouldn't have gotten Rose.

[tikay0]

I dont think Boozer can be amnestied until next summer. The deadline ended during this past summer

He can be amnestied this Summer. I think Bulls keep him one more year, since dumping him, helps us in no way to acquire a big time talent next year anyways. If he absolutely stinks it up, which pre season is indicating he will, then so long Boozer.

Let me reiterate, even if we dump Boozer, we'd still be right at the cap thresh hold. While that's nothing for a team like L.A. The Bulls FO ARE the cheapest bunch of sum bitches there are.

[bagelred]

Why are teams so quick and ready to amnesty players. I'm sure he'll be tradeable next summer. Only has 2 years left. Or just give him away to a team with cap space.

[tikay0]

Why are teams so quick and ready to amnesty players. I'm sure he'll be tradeable next summer. Only has 2 years left. Or just give him away to a team with cap space.

Bulls are being patient. The article by Stein is just something most Bulls fans already knew since last Summer. If he performs, JR's keeping him for another year, until our Euro stud comes over in 2014. If he absolutely sucks, getting rid of his BUM ass.

[BlackVVaves]

Bulls can't amnesty him til Summer '13, so you have to think this could cause some rifts between Boozer and the team throughout the season.

[GOBB]

Is the Jrue Holiday seeking max contract legit? No way he or his agent is seeking that. I dont believe it. I cant believe it.

[R.I.P.]

Welcome to Dallas 2013 version of Elton Brand. :lol

[chips93]

Why are teams so quick and ready to amnesty players. I'm sure he'll be tradeable next summer. Only has 2 years left. Or just give him away to a team with cap space.

who would want that contract? they would have to package him with assets to move it

[longtime lurker]

My god are the Bulls such an ass backwards organization. Sign Boozer to that terrible contract just to amnesty him 3 years later. Let go of all their depth just to save some money. They should just move Boozer, if Joe Johnson and his cap crippling contract can get moved anyone's can.

[swi7ch]

Booze to MIA

[Graviton]

**** YEEES!!!

No more lazy, uninspired defense from that POS. Noah constantly had that "You kidding me?" face while covering Boozer's blown assignments on D. The guy gives up just as many points as he scores, now at least Gibson+Noah can shut down the paint. Taj can also finish with power and not get blocked like a bitch on pussyass lay ups. He has underrated athleticism.

[Eric Cartman]

Dude, we drafted Ty Thomas over Lamarcus Aldridge AND Brandon Roy.

:mad:

Actually you drafted Aldridge, then traded him to Portland for Tyrus.

[Graviton]

Meh. I hate my team's franchise front office.

So many dumb moves. From 1999 - it's been one mistake after another. We luck into D. Rose, and then the kid has a career altering knee injury.

Post MJ curse? IDK. We never should've signed Boozer for that money from the get go. Ugh, I hate this team apart from Rose and Gibson.
I know what you mean, the FO doesn't even seem committed to winning championships. They are so cheap with money, in this era of super teams going over the cap for 3+ all-stars we got Chicago holding back, signing mediocre players for cheap and hoping Rose can solo 2-3 superstars. I wouldn't blame him if he left after being eliminated by OKC/MIA/Lakers 4 years in a row.

[daily]

Boozer to the Heat callin it!
Heat are over the cap, can't even bid on him.

[Whoah10115]

It made sense to amnesty Boozer last year, before Rose got his big extension. If they did it this Summer (deadline has passed) they wouldn't have any room for anyone else anyway. If he plays well this year, without Rose, he's suddenly valuable again.


Also, do people think Boozer is no longer a basketball player? He's not even that overpaid. It's just that his contract is 5 years long and the Bulls are spending lots of money on both Noah and Deng (and obviously now Rose).



If you wanna see a team that would be smart to take on Boozer, it's the Spurs...if the Bulls wanted rid of Boozer. Stephen Jackson (expiring) and Splitter (expiring and young, good, plays defense, can play PF/C, and much much cheaper)...


Do people think the Spurs wouldn't be able to get the best out of him?

[Bigsmoke]

i was hoping the Bulls can trade Boozer for someone like David Lee but its too late :(

[nightprowler10]

This doesn't make as much sense now that we let Asik slip.

[blacknapalm]

This doesn't make as much sense now that we let Asik slip.

question to you and other bulls fans: isn't it starting to look like reinsdorf is just saving money while spending as little as possible to be competitive? it's just getting hard to ignore the pattern here.

you guys were contenders with rose and still would have been down the line when he's healthy. now you can't really say that. idk, i'd just be really upset to be that close and have it seem like the owner didn't want to take the next step.

[PJR]

Rein$dorf

[Whoah10115]

This doesn't make as much sense now that we let Asik slip.



I think it makes more sense. Boozer was better alongside Asik than he is alongside Noah. Noah moves around a lot and Boozer is too stupid and lazy to do anything. Asik is a more traditional center and takes up the middle.

[nathanjizzle]

never liked booze cruz, glad hes out of the atmosphere.

[#1SportsFan86]

Welcome to Dallas 2013 version of Elton Brand. :lol

:applause:

[tikay0]

question to you and other bulls fans: isn't it starting to look like reinsdorf is just saving money while spending as little as possible to be competitive? it's just getting hard to ignore the pattern here.

you guys were contenders with rose and still would have been down the line when he's healthy. now you can't really say that. idk, i'd just be really upset to be that close and have it seem like the owner didn't want to take the next step.

If you don't have your Bulls blinders on, it's quite obvious this is the case. Reinsdorf isn't even the main shareholder. There's a bunch of cheap ass share holders behind the scenes that are obviously telling him to go the cheap route, in order to maximize THEIR profits.

[Money 23]

Rein$dorf
Yea :(

And as others have said, it's embarrassing in the league with super teams we had a coach that maximized Rose and a bunch of role players abilities to go to the ECF, and the front office handicaps him even more by refusing to spend money to bring in other players that can fill needs and gaps.

As others have said, they have cut their depth. They let go of Tyson Chandler for free, essentially a superior version of Joakim Noah, and then give Noah a stupid contract as well. Even worse considering Noah is good for missing 10 - 20 games every single season.

Reinsdorf has always been a cheap skate, jew. Even when the Bulls were dominating the league with MJ and Scottie, and making the city of Chicago, the Bulls, and the NBA in general TONS of money ... he always refused and balked at paying players their worth.

Pretty sure the minority owners and even the majority owners are content with the Bulls revival post 2009 w/ the excitement of Derrick Rose, and will continue to let him sell out seats and sell out merchandise just to make a buck as opposed to contend for championships.

And people wondered during the 2000's why I had such a hard time rooting for them. A ton of unlikable players (Ben Gordon, Eddy Curry, Joakim Noah, Carlos Boozer, Ty Thomas) and the unwillingness to bring in actual talent, a dumb front office who consistently make bad moves (giving away JR Smith for free). Only silver linings are the D Rose, Kirk Hinrich, and Taj Gibsons in that time frame.

[StateOfMind12]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9Ml_HqDxWX4/T2t_Epa31aI/AAAAAAAAA28/Z8yCp7KAzHc/s180/black-wrestler-gif-smiling.gif

[tikay0]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-9Ml_HqDxWX4/T2t_Epa31aI/AAAAAAAAA28/Z8yCp7KAzHc/s180/black-wrestler-gif-smiling.gif
:roll: lmao. I don't care. This gif never ever gets old.

[therammingman]

boozer on the laker bench for vet minimum

[Bigsmoke]

Dude, we drafted Ty Thomas over Lamarcus Aldridge AND Brandon Roy.

:mad:

we probrably wouldn't have Rose if we kept LA.

i remember doctors saying that Roy wouldn't last in the NBA with knees so i'm not losing sleep because of that.

i forgot why we let go of JR Smith tho.

[jbot]

boozer has really fallen off. was a beast in utah. definitely will get picked up soon if this happens though.

[97 bulls]

we probrably wouldn't have Rose if we kept LA.

i remember doctors saying that Roy wouldn't last in the NBA with knees so i'm not losing sleep because of that.

i forgot why we let go of JR Smith tho.
We?!!!! So you're a Bulls fan again?

To answer your question, they traded him for Howard Eisley. They felt he (Smith) would've been a bad influence on a young team

[97 bulls]

Yea :(

And as others have said, it's embarrassing in the league with super teams we had a coach that maximized Rose and a bunch of role players abilities to go to the ECF, and the front office handicaps him even more by refusing to spend money to bring in other players that can fill needs and gaps.

As others have said, they have cut their depth. They let go of Tyson Chandler for free, essentially a superior version of Joakim Noah, and then give Noah a stupid contract as well. Even worse considering Noah is good for missing 10 - 20 games every single season.

Reinsdorf has always been a cheap skate, jew. Even when the Bulls were dominating the league with MJ and Scottie, and making the city of Chicago, the Bulls, and the NBA in general TONS of money ... he always refused and balked at paying players their worth.

Pretty sure the minority owners and even the majority owners are content with the Bulls revival post 2009 w/ the excitement of Derrick Rose, and will continue to let him sell out seats and sell out merchandise just to make a buck as opposed to contend for championships.

And people wondered during the 2000's why I had such a hard time rooting for them. A ton of unlikable players (Ben Gordon, Eddy Curry, Joakim Noah, Carlos Boozer, Ty Thomas) and the unwillingness to bring in actual talent, a dumb front office who consistently make bad moves (giving away JR Smith for free). Only silver linings are the D Rose, Kirk Hinrich, and Taj Gibsons in that time frame.
I wish you frequented a particular Bulls website I go to. They got all bent out of shape when I basically stated the same thing.


All I know is if Kevin Love request a trade or publicly boasts that he won't resign with Twolves and the Bulls don't get him to play alongside Rose. I'm done as a Bulls fan

[Bigsmoke]

We?!!!! So you're a Bulls fan again?

To answer your question, they traded him for Howard Eisley. They felt he (Smith) would've been a bad influence on a young team

Smith was young himself back then...like 20 years old:confusedshrug:

dont know about him being some "bad influence" but i see what you're saying

[CarlosBoozer]

****

[ripthekik]

we probrably wouldn't have Rose if we kept LA.

i remember doctors saying that Roy wouldn't last in the NBA with knees so i'm not losing sleep because of that.

i forgot why we let go of JR Smith tho.
I swear this guy was a lebron fan..

[senelcoolidge]

I always thought that Gibson was over rated. I've seen him get destroyed by the better PF's in the league.

[tikay0]

I always thought that Gibson was over rated. I've seen him get destroyed by the better PF's in the league.

Offensively yes. Defensively, he's elite at the of position. Its more so how much he's paid, and how garbage boozer is. Once taj gets a big pay day, bulls fans will start complaining about taj. Its just like with asik. Since he wasnt on a big contract, bulls fans let his horrible offense slide. If we matched that horrible offer from Houston, you better believe asik would get picked apart game by game, for his offensive woes.

[bdreason]

Bulls taking a play out of the 1997 Spurs playbook.

[spiegel]

It'll be ineresting to see where Boozer ends up.

[senelcoolidge]

Offensively yes. Defensively, he's elite at the of position. Its more so how much he's paid, and how garbage boozer is. Once taj gets a big pay day, bulls fans will start complaining about taj. Its just like with asik. Since he wasnt on a big contract, bulls fans let his horrible offense slide. If we matched that horrible offer from Houston, you better believe asik would get picked apart game by game, for his offensive woes.

Gibson is a good bench player. He doesn't deserve a big pay day. Maybe a raise, but nothing extreme. I think he's over rated on defense too. Like I said I've seen him get destroyed by the better PF's in the league.

[bluechox2]

boozer on the bobcats or cavs

[ConanRulesNBC]

They should had done this before, and resigned Asik. Noah + Asik + Gibson = best defensive and rebounding frontcourt on the league.

Asik was overpaid by Houston. If it was reasonable though I would have loved to amnesty Boozer and re-sign Asik. I'm gonna miss the Turkish Hammer.

[ConanRulesNBC]

Bulls taking a play out of the 1997 Spurs playbook.

How? Is there going to be a PF as good as Tim Duncan available in the draft next season?

[tikay0]

Gibson is a good bench player. He doesn't deserve a big pay day. Maybe a raise, but nothing extreme. I think he's over rated on defense too. Like I said I've seen him get destroyed by the better PF's in the league.

I wouldn't say over rated, but I understand where your coming from. He got lit up by Bosh in the 2011 ECF. Yes, I also think he is over rated, but I'm a BUlls homer, so if I said that on some of those Bulls message boards, I'd get crucified.

Realistically, he's a 6-7 mil a year type player. Market value, about 8-11 million. Teams WILL over pay for him, so it's best the Bulls get this done before the season starts. Otherwise, we'll have another Asik situation on our hands. If you don't resign him before the season starts. You MUST trade him before the dead line, before another team scoops him up, and we're left with nothing, AGAIN!

[Whoah10115]

Why do Bulls fans cry about Asik? What makes people think that he wanted to stay a backup the rest of his life? He's clearly capable of being an elite anchor in the league. Guys like that are worth the money he's getting paid.

[Rose]

Common sense pays, rein$dorf.

[scm5]

Wait, players can still be amnestied?

I thought the deadline passed for some reason.

[Rose]

Wait, players can still be amnestied?

I thought the deadline passed for some reason.
next summer.

[Go Getter]

Why do Bulls fans cry about Asik? What makes people think that he wanted to stay a backup the rest of his life? He's clearly capable of being an elite anchor in the league. Guys like that are worth the money he's getting paid.
:roll:

Elite anchor?


Put the pipe down man.

[Go Getter]

People are starting to act like Asik is better than Noah or something....

[LT Ice Cream]

Yeah he's overpaid and underperforming, but the Bulls are gonna be such a sorry-ass scoring team without Rose or Boozer. What's their plan?

[Money 23]

People are starting to act like Asik is better than Noah or something....
Noah isn't anything special, either. He got overpaid, too. Meanwhile we gave a superior version of him away for free.99 (Tyson Chandler)

[Whoah10115]

:roll:

Elite anchor?


Put the pipe down man.




Well, if you wanna be dumb, you go and be. Asik is probably a top 5 defensive center. If you can't see that, then you're an idiot.




Noah isn't anything special, either. He got overpaid, too. Meanwhile we gave a superior version of him away for free.99 (Tyson Chandler)



Chandler is not better than Noah, at anything. Ehh, he's a pure center and more of an anchor, so I guess he's better there.


Noah is the better defender, I feel. Better shot-blocker, very good passer, more all-around, can play PF (might even be one), equal rebounder, better offensive player with ease and very serviceable in that regard.

[Money 23]

Chandler is not better than Noah, at anything.
He's clearly a superior athlete. Better pick and roll player, better interior defender / shot blocker. Same level in terms of rebounding. Yes, Chandler is better. Chandler is the main reason why the Mavericks went from stiff playoff competition to NBA champion.

[Whoah10115]

He's clearly a superior athlete. Better pick and roll player, better interior defender / shot blocker. Same level in terms of rebounding. Yes, Chandler is better. Chandler is the main reason why the Mavericks went from stiff playoff competition to NBA champion.



I'll give him interior defender, but he's not a better shot-blocker. Chandler has never been a particularly good shot-blocker. Noah is better.


But you're right, he is the better athlete. As far as the pick n' roll, I wouldn't agree. I'm not saying Noah is better, but I don't necessarily think Chandler is either.


Noah is also 3 years younger. And I do think he's the better player. On defense, he reminds me a little of KG and a lot of Davis. I think he's better suited to being given full roaming license on the defensive end. I like him as more of a PF/C combo than as an actual C...main reason why, if I'm the Bulls, I do everything to trade for Al Horford.

[Bigsmoke]

Well, if you wanna be dumb, you go and be. Asik is probably a top 5 defensive center. If you can't see that, then you're an idiot.



I dont know about Go Getter but i have access to watch all of his games for free without having to see them through some shitty quality channel on the internet.

He has potential but he has A LOT to learn... like catching passes..

i wish him the best but i'm just letting you know unless McHale do some kind of miracle, Asik isn't going to reach your expectations anytime soon

[Whoah10115]

I dont know about Go Getter but i have access to watch all of his games for free without having to see them through some shitty quality channel on the internet.

He has potential but he has A LOT to learn... like catching passes...



Of course, but that was what I said in my original post. He could end up being even the 2nd best defensive C in the league. Certainly should end up top 5. And if he can simply catch a pass (which I think should he is already improving) then he should be fine.


Regardless, the level of defense he played for the Bulls, spread out over 30min (which is not easy, I understand) is certainly worth his contract.

[tikay0]

I'll give him interior defender, but he's not a better shot-blocker. Chandler has never been a particularly good shot-blocker. Noah is better.


But you're right, he is the better athlete. As far as the pick n' roll, I wouldn't agree. I'm not saying Noah is better, but I don't necessarily think Chandler is either.


Noah is also 3 years younger. And I do think he's the better player. On defense, he reminds me a little of KG and a lot of Davis. I think he's better suited to being given full roaming license on the defensive end. I like him as more of a PF/C combo than as an actual C...main reason why, if I'm the Bulls, I do everything to trade for Al Horford.

Agree, Horford would do wonders for the Bulls. And yes, he is a PF. We have no choice, because we don't have a center that can spread the floor. Nazr can definitely do that, but he's not starter material.

[tikay0]

I'm torn between Chandler and Noah. Chandler is by far the better rim protector. Where as Noah is the better defender hedging off picks and having to guard guards/forwards. Overall, Noah is much more versatile defensively, and is a much better player on the offensive side. Chandler is better on the pick n roll though. You really can't go wrong with either player.

[Whoah10115]

I'm torn between Chandler and Noah. Chandler is by far the better rim protector. Where as Noah is the better defender hedging off picks and having to guard guards/forwards. Overall, Noah is much more versatile defensively, and is a much better player on the offensive side. Chandler is better on the pick n roll though. You really can't go wrong with either player.



Chandler is a true center. Noah isn't. A guy like Horford is a combo PF/C himself. They played together in Flordia. Horford can handle the post, while Noah is given the license to roam around.


He's not a rim protector.

[Yung D-Will]

Boozer being a star in Utah is an intresting way of remembering it. All I remember in Utah is a certain point guard and a certain flex offense covering up Boozer's many weaknesses and his lack of effort.

[tikay0]

Chandler is a true center. Noah isn't. A guy like Horford is a combo PF/C himself. They played together in Flordia. Horford can handle the post, while Noah is given the license to roam around.


He's not a rim protector.

I know. That's why Noah is he better all around defender. He's lighter and more agile. Where as Tyson has a true centers frame, and can command the paint better.