Rajon Rondo

[A-MATT]

How Is Rajon Doing For Your Team And Can He Be A Decent Point Guard For The Celtics

[Q.E.C]

He's very athletic, i remember i saw him. his hands are like the size of shaq's and his arms are close to tayshaun prince's length. he's going to be a star in the league if he gets enough minutes.

[pete's montreux]

From what I've seen in his limited minutes this year, he's very athletic, he's a good decision maker, he's a decent finisher around the basket, and he's also a great overall defender. Sometimes he makes such a bad decision, it makes you realize that he's a rookie, but then he gets a steal at the other end and makes you regret ever thinking that. He's definitely on his way to becoming a pretty decent floor general in this league.

[celts432]

he has no outside shot

[XxNeXuSxX]

he has no outside shot
Yes he does.

[pete's montreux]

Yes he does.

Indeed. Just because he only takes 4 or 5 outside shots a game doesn't mean he doesn't have one. He went two for two from the three. In fact, if I remember correctly, he doesn't shoot very often, but when he does, it usually falls.

[Wormser]

Jason Richardson's jumper was ridiculed when he first came into the league as well. This is something Rondo can fix. Further, Rondo doesn't need to have three-point range to be effective. If he can hit 16-18 footers off of pull-ups, he will be very effective because he is so good at getting past the initial defender.
Also if he can step into medium range jumpers after dishes from KG and/or Pierce he will help the Cs give the opposition fits. The first thing teams are going to try to do is double KG in the post (leaving Kendrick) and drop Rondo's defender in Pierce's path to the basket when he drives off the inevitable KG pass. If Rondo is able to catch and shoot from Pierce's pass in this scenario, defenses will be hosed.

[johndeeregreen]

Indeed. Just because he only takes 4 or 5 outside shots a game doesn't mean he doesn't have one. He went two for two from the three. In fact, if I remember correctly, he doesn't shoot very often, but when he does, it usually falls.
It isn't a case of him not shooting very often. It's a case of him having the worst jumper out of any guard in the NBA. It's a case of him shooting sub-30% not just on jumpers, but any shot taken outside of five feet last year. Other parts of his game are really nice, but his jumpshot is f*cking woeful. So basically, no, you don't remember correctly.

[Wo1fshadow]

i thnk for the Celtics to do well in the 07-08 playoffs, Rondo needs to step up, he needs to be a contender for MIP.

[Good Old Willy]

It isn't a case of him not shooting very often. It's a case of him having the worst jumper out of any guard in the NBA. It's a case of him shooting sub-30% not just on jumpers, but any shot taken outside of five feet last year. Other parts of his game are really nice, but his jumpshot is f*cking woeful. So basically, no, you don't remember correctly.

Exactly.

I am a bit worried about Celt fans bandwagoning this guy (too early) and then crucifying him midseason just because he is playing at his level. TONS of PG's are athletic, its a requirement for the job, so that does not save him. Certain skills are just paramount to the position, while others are secondary like outside shooting, inside shooter, slashing, etc,. Obviously his (bottom of the league) jumper hurts the team on the O, but also allows the D to ignore him and better double team others. Boston is not in good shape if the current version of Rondo is playing 30+ min a night.

Focusing on the 7th or 8th seed is the best thing the Celts could do. Don't over expext and don't blow out the engines before eveb getting to the playoffs.

[Real Men Wear Green]

How does a team "focus" on the eighth seed? Make a conscious decision to win every-other night? Or maybe just not to try to win against good teams? That's stupid. Your trolling is incredibly weak. Please come with more intelligent material.

[Wormser]

Exactly.

I am a bit worried about Celt fans bandwagoning this guy (too early) and then crucifying him midseason just because he is playing at his level. TONS of PG's are athletic, its a requirement for the job, so that does not save him. Certain skills are just paramount to the position, while others are secondary like outside shooting, inside shooter, slashing, etc,. Obviously his (bottom of the league) jumper hurts the team on the O, but also allows the D to ignore him and better double team others. Boston is not in good shape if the current version of Rondo is playing 30+ min a night.

Focusing on the 7th or 8th seed is the best thing the Celts could do. Don't over expext and don't blow out the engines before eveb getting to the playoffs.

Agree with previous poster regarding "focusing." That's just a weak way of stating your case.

One more thing, if rondo's man cheats off him to double-team garnett in the high post or to step into the lane when Pierce attempts to curl in for a lay-up or mid-range jumper, someone other than Rondo will have single coverage. This is the dilemma defenses will face with Boston all yr. They can double Garnett, leave Rondo or Perkins open, but he will find either them or Pierce or Allen with single coverage. If either of the other stars are doubled, this will leave KG in single coverage. With three guys who can beat any single coverage, Rondo's inability to shoot doesn't hurt as much.

Look, I acknowledge it's an issue but he does other things well enough to remain very effective on this team. He plays excellent defense; he rebounds very well for PG; he is difficult stop on penetration when he is faced with single coverage; most importantly, he is a good distributor. The percentage of the Celtics' offense that is dependent on Rondo's jumpers is going to be very low. The majority of his points will come in transition and at the line when he is fouled driving to the hoop. Otherwise his job will be to contain the opposing Pg and make good decisions in the half court. I think he is capable of both.

[XxNeXuSxX]

Exactly.

I am a bit worried about Celt fans bandwagoning this guy (too early) and then crucifying him midseason just because he is playing at his level. TONS of PG's are athletic, its a requirement for the job, so that does not save him. Certain skills are just paramount to the position, while others are secondary like outside shooting, inside shooter, slashing, etc,. Obviously his (bottom of the league) jumper hurts the team on the O, but also allows the D to ignore him and better double team others. Boston is not in good shape if the current version of Rondo is playing 30+ min a night.

Focusing on the 7th or 8th seed is the best thing the Celts could do. Don't over expext and don't blow out the engines before eveb getting to the playoffs.
:oldlol:

[XxNeXuSxX]

Exactly.

I am a bit worried about Celt fans bandwagoning this guy (too early) and then crucifying him midseason just because he is playing at his level. TONS of PG's are athletic, its a requirement for the job, so that does not save him. Certain skills are just paramount to the position, while others are secondary like outside shooting, inside shooter, slashing, etc,. Obviously his (bottom of the league) jumper hurts the team on the O, but also allows the D to ignore him and better double team others. Boston is not in good shape if the current version of Rondo is playing 30+ min a night.

Focusing on the 7th or 8th seed is the best thing the Celts could do. Don't over expext and don't blow out the engines before eveb getting to the playoffs.
This guy is a troll persona btw.

[johndeeregreen]

One more thing, if rondo's man cheats off him to double-team garnett in the high post or to step into the lane when Pierce attempts to curl in for a lay-up or mid-range jumper, someone other than Rondo will have single coverage. This is the dilemma defenses will face with Boston all yr. They can double Garnett, leave Rondo or Perkins open, but he will find either them or Pierce or Allen with single coverage. If either of the other stars are doubled, this will leave KG in single coverage. With three guys who can beat any single coverage, Rondo's inability to shoot doesn't hurt as much.
Do you realize the kind of liability you become on offense when you get passed the ball when you're wide open just so you can pass it to somebody who isn't?

[elz]

enough is enough
get off Rondo's nuts
there's tons of players who struggled with Shooting and improved
let it go. The list is endless for christ sakes!
This yr is not gonna be our yr! the yr after will
get off his sack already!!!!

all this dumb ass comments about us being 7th and 8th seeds is just stupid
So where not better than Kidd, Carter and Jefferson seriousy do they have quality role players???????? Noooooooo
Arenas, Butler and Jamison ? How bout their roles players ummmm Haywood and Etan Thomas dont worry I'll wait ............................. ok here's help.....they sck
Lebron, Zdranus and Hughes made the finals and they sck!!!!!!
Dwight, Rashard Lewis and who else Foyle or Nelson get real, better yet get bent!


there's on 3 other teams of real significance
Detriot, chicago and Miami
Detriot lost webber and sucked before he came there last yr
Chicago's a problem but still can score inside!
and Miami if they get Artest they're my favorite for the finals with a Healthy D Wade.
Other teams have done more with less and weaker supporting cast.
We'll be anywhere from a 2-4 seed and next yr will be the true test.
Get off Rondo's sack he has time and he improve.

[johndeeregreen]

Positive contribution. No rebuttal, just "his shooting will improve, get off his sack."

The fact is he doesn't seem to think his shooting is a big problem and is not doing a whole hell of a lot to improve it, either.

[Real Men Wear Green]

That isn't true. He may still have a bad jumper (in fact it's likely) but he's been working on it all summer. He does want to become a good player and he'll get there....eventually.

[johndeeregreen]

But it is true. He's making no changes to his form - something that worried me last year and hasn't been addressed, especially the part about shooting with his palms and not his fingertips - and by reports he's shooting about 250 makes per day. That's a shootaround. Tyrus Thomas makes about 800 per day. Gilbert Arenas? 1,000. Then he even goes on to say that he isn't worried about his jumper.

He's not working on it like a guy who shot under 30% from outside five feet last year should. No changes to his terrible form, and a measly 250 makes a day?

But yeah, he's really busting his ass to fix that jumper.

[Real Men Wear Green]

It'd be nice if he took more shots but 250 makes a day isn't exactly slacking. If his shooting practice is being managed efficiently then that could be fine. I would like to know exactly how they're going about improiving his shot, because I'm curious, and I'd be surprised if they aren't working on his form at all, as you suggest. If he keeps shooting the exact same way then training is pointless, because it would just further lock him into his poor shooting form. If this is the case, he can take a million shots per day and it still won't do any good. Lastly, it wouldn't be any better if he was talking about how worried he is about his shooting instead of being more relaxed about it. Fretting isn't going to help.

[johndeeregreen]

There is a great article about the main flaw in his shot right here:
http://www.redsarmy.com/rondojumper.htm

Regardless - 250 makes is a shootaround. That could take 45 minutes if someone is feeding him the ball. That is a joke. And he is expressing no concern about it. His lack of concern and less than satisfactory emphasis on it shows that he is not overly worried about how big of a liability his shot is.

And I am not suggesting - both last year and this year I have read in the Herald about how they are not changing anything, just getting reps in. You will find it in the archives if you are so inclined.

[HoopNightmare]

Worst case scenerio he does not really need a GREAT jumper. He has Allen, Pierce, Posey, and KG on his team. The defense will be honest. Ray Ray is too wet! All he needs to do is distribute and play mad D. Ala J-KIDD.

[johndeeregreen]

You clearly don't understand basketball.

[Dengness9]

Celts you guys have reason to be xcited for sure but just pray that you don't run into a team that wears red,white,and black. They will make your big 3 look like the old 3. I'm not talking ****, that just real talk.

[dhenk]

Celts you guys have reason to be xcited for sure but just pray that you don't run into a team that wears red,white,and black. They will make your big 3 look like the old 3. I'm not talking ****, that just real talk.

Sounds more like a prayer...

[Dengness9]

Threat

[veilside23]

Celts you guys have reason to be xcited for sure but just pray that you don't run into a team that wears red,white,and black. They will make your big 3 look like the old 3. I'm not talking ****, that just real talk.


sounds like sour grapping to me ... because chicago wanted to get kg for the longest time but they couldnt... kg is a celts now get over it :cheers:

[elz]

Celts you guys have reason to be xcited for sure but just pray that you don't run into a team that wears red,white,and black. They will make your big 3 look like the old 3. I'm not talking ****, that just real talk.



Yawn

if D Wade was healthy you woulda been done in the 1st round!

[Dengness9]

sounds like sour grapping to me ... because chicago wanted to get kg for the longest time but they couldnt... kg is a celts now get over it :cheers:

The bulls don't need KG for ****. We still have a better starting 5 and then don't even get me started on a bench discussion. It would've been nice to have KG but the Bulls don't need him, they have improved in wins in the regular season and playoffs for 3 years in a row. Not to mention our average age of our players is 25. You guys have no future what so ever, and have 2 years to win it all, which i would love to place a bet with you that the Celts won't even win the east why you have the "old 3." Ainge saved his job, but will lose it in 2 or 3 years anyway. I hope and pray everyday that the Bulls and Celtics would meet in the playoff's and we can expose your age just like we did the heat. The Bulls are the team to beat out East and we will run you to ground when our squad's face off. You better hope you even make the playoff's.

[MaxFly]

Exactly.

I am a bit worried about Celt fans bandwagoning this guy (too early) and then crucifying him midseason just because he is playing at his level. TONS of PG's are athletic, its a requirement for the job, so that does not save him. Certain skills are just paramount to the position, while others are secondary like outside shooting, inside shooter, slashing, etc,. Obviously his (bottom of the league) jumper hurts the team on the O, but also allows the D to ignore him and better double team others. Boston is not in good shape if the current version of Rondo is playing 30+ min a night.

Focusing on the 7th or 8th seed is the best thing the Celts could do. Don't over expext and don't blow out the engines before eveb getting to the playoffs.

Lol, I can't believe I missed this... focus on the 7th or 8th seed. :oldlol: Note that this post is from August 16th... well past when the Garneet deal had been completed.

[MaxFly]

You better hope you even make the playoff's.

Lol... because the Celts are now concerned about completely missing the playoffs.

[L.Kizzle]

He's pretty good.

[wally_world]

He's pretty good.

Yeah he's alright i guess :oldlol:

[Pushxx]

This thread makes me so excited for this year's draft, where there is a lot of high-risk-high reward first rounders, similar to Rondo.

[jdm_dc_fan]

The bulls don't need KG for ****. We still have a better starting 5 and then don't even get me started on a bench discussion. It would've been nice to have KG but the Bulls don't need him, they have improved in wins in the regular season and playoffs for 3 years in a row. Not to mention our average age of our players is 25. You guys have no future what so ever, and have 2 years to win it all, which i would love to place a bet with you that the Celts won't even win the east why you have the "old 3." Ainge saved his job, but will lose it in 2 or 3 years anyway. I hope and pray everyday that the Bulls and Celtics would meet in the playoff's and we can expose your age just like we did the heat. The Bulls are the team to beat out East and we will run you to ground when our squad's face off. You better hope you even make the playoff's.
Had to quote this gem.

[CelticBaller]

should've kept telfair :mad: