#70 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops

[Deuce Bigalow]

Tracy McGrady was voted the #69 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops.

19.6 PPG | 5.6 RPG | 4.4 APG

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[Jasi]

Sabonis

[nycelt84]

Bill Sharman

[JellyBean]

The BK Broiler....Benard King

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oH-7c4GD05M/TgniAMxA7pI/AAAAAAAAARY/VHb3lcqa-QI/s1600/Bernard_King.jpg

[ManlyStanley69]

Mutombo

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/media/rockets/content_mutombowag.jpg

[nycelt84]

I have a question here that I need explaining. Why would anyone rank Bernard King before Adrian Dantley? King only had about 4 great seasons and other than that was injured or not playing to his potential and it's not like he was winning rings and MVPs when he was healthy. What case does he have before Dantley?

[L.Kizzle]

I have a question here that I need explaining. Why would anyone rank Bernard King before Adrian Dantley? King only had about 4 great seasons and other than that was injured or not playing to his potential and it's not like he was winning rings and MVPs when he was healthy. What case does he have before Dantley?
Cause he was plaine better than him. He has 2 All NBA First Teams, and AD has 2 All NBA Teams total. By the way, King is my vote.

[coin24]

Zo:cheers:

[RRR3]

WHOOOOOOO!!!!!! T-Mac got voted in!!!!! :djparty :dancin :dancin :basketball :party: :party: :hammertime: :hammertime: :lebronamazed: :lebronamazed:

[fpliii]

it's possible the Mourning deserves some mention here tbh

I've been a Wade stan since they got Shaq, so I don't know much about the Heat pre-04 (Zo had some moments, but he didn't stand out as much when he made his way back), but from watching him here and there before I focussed on Miami he definitely was a legit all-star big with a lot of talent on both sides of the ball (not a bad rebounder either)

I need to watch some tape on him when I have a chance (no vote from me here though, just leaving my thoughts)

[iDunk]

The BK Broiler....Benard King

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oH-7c4GD05M/TgniAMxA7pI/AAAAAAAAARY/VHb3lcqa-QI/s1600/Bernard_King.jpg
This guy.

& LOL at McGrady being the 70th best NBA player of all time. I rank Carter over McGrady.

[Fudge]

Ben Wallace

[ripthekik]

:facepalm one of the worst picks so far.
thanks to a few tmac lunatic fans and double/triple accounts who voted him in. he accomplished absolutely nothing in the playoffs through his career. had a great team in houston but couldn't get himself healthy, has no one to blame.

[HardwoodLegend]

This guy.

& LOL at McGrady being the 70th best NBA player of all time. I rank Carter over McGrady.

McGrady was voted 69th best.

And, you act like it's not a matter of splitting hairs when choosing between the cousins. T-Mac had a stronger peak, 2 All-NBA 1st team selections to Vince's 0 and was a more consistent playoff performer than Vince despite having less team success. Vince has a few downright terrible showings in the playoffs. T-Mac was never terrible individually.

[HardwoodLegend]

:facepalm one of the worst picks so far.
thanks to a few tmac lunatic fans and double/triple accounts who voted him in. he accomplished absolutely nothing in the playoffs through his career. had a great team in houston but couldn't get himself healthy, has no one to blame.

LOL @ "great team"

Please explain what was great about Houston.

[Fudge]

This guy.

& LOL at McGrady being the 70th best NBA player of all time. I rank Carter over McGrady.
You're right. It should've been Carmelo Anthony.

[Fudge]

:facepalm one of the worst picks so far.
thanks to a few tmac lunatic fans and double/triple accounts who voted him in. he accomplished absolutely nothing in the playoffs through his career. had a great team in houston but couldn't get himself healthy, has no one to blame.
Nope, pretty sure Deuce took away my other votes on my other accounts in the other threads. Try again. Definitely not as bad as your boy Pau Gasol being 64th. :oldlol:

[ripthekik]

LOL @ "great team"

Please explain what was great about Houston.
Yao Ming, T-mac, 2 great superstars.
Role players? Mutumbo, chuck hayes, mike james, luther head, I don't remember which year which guys came in, but they had pretty serviceable players.
they had the superstars and role players to make it all work.
they still didn't get anywhere.

what happened Rockets v Mavs Game 7 in 2005? You tell me.

[HardwoodLegend]

Yao Ming, T-mac, 2 great superstars.
Role players? Mutumbo, chuck hayes, mike james, luther head, I don't remember which year which guys came in, but they had pretty serviceable players.
they had the superstars and role players to make it all work.
they still didn't get anywhere.

what happened Rockets v Mavs Game 7 in 2005? You tell me.

They were good, not great.

They were outmatched by the Mavs in 2005... it was pretty much T-Mac and Yao fending for themselves in Game 7. And, Yao's stamina was horrible in that postseason as he could only play 31 minutes per game. It's not accurate to say T-Mac has "no one to blame", especially for that year in the playoffs. Like I said, it was T-Mac and Yao fending for themselves.. and Yao wasn't even on the floor enough to be that legitimate sidekick for a 1-2 punch.

[ripthekik]

They were good, not great.

They were outmatched by the Mavs in 2005... it was pretty much T-Mac and Yao fending for themselves in Game 7. And, Yao's stamina was horrible in that postseason as he could only play 31 minutes per game. It's not accurate to say T-Mac has "no one to blame", especially for that year in the playoffs. Like I said, it was T-Mac and Yao fending for themselves.. and Yao wasn't even on the floor enough to be that legitimate sidekick for a 1-2 punch.
And when Yao was healthy, Tmac wasn't there. In fact, Yao took that team to the second round, and would have went further if he didn't get injured. It's Tmac's responsibility to step up as the leader, but that was just how he is.

[HardwoodLegend]

And when Yao was healthy, Tmac wasn't there. In fact, Yao took that team to the second round, and would have went further if he didn't get injured. It's Tmac's responsibility to step up as the leader, but that was just how he is.

It was a star-crossed duo. If everything had been clicking on all cylinders for both of them at the same time, they would have had a lot more success together.

That team Yao got to the 2nd round was well-rounded and balanced with Ron Artest and faced an inferior Blazers squad. T-Mac was never lucky enough to have a favorable match-up like that.

So, if you're going to assume that Yao "would have went further if he didn't get injured" I think it's fair to assume T-Mac "would have went further in 2005" if Yao was able to stay on the floor and they had a piece similar to Ron Artest to strengthen the squad.

[ripthekik]

It was a star-crossed duo. If everything had been clicking on all cylinders for both of them at the same time, they would have had a lot more success together.

That team Yao got to the 2nd round was well-rounded and balanced with Ron Artest and faced an inferior Blazers squad. T-Mac was never lucky enough to have a favorable match-up like that.

So, if you're going to assume that Yao "would have went further if he didn't get injured" I think it's fair to assume T-Mac "would have went further in 2005" if Yao was able to stay on the floor and they had a piece similar to Ron Artest to strengthen the squad.
The thing is, the Houston front office did a GREAT job surrounding Tmac and Yao with great players. In 2008 they had Battier, Ron Artest, Luis Scola, aaron brooks, chuck hayes, carl landry, mutumbo.

If Tmac had stayed healthy.. he would have had the greatest opportunity to win a ring. But he was the one that couldn't stay healthy. He didn't win a ring not because nobody built a good team around him, but because he couldn't stay healthy. And this is part of how we rank players don't we? Durability, consistency, and health; Tmac fails at this part.

[HardwoodLegend]

The thing is, the Houston front office did a GREAT job surrounding Tmac and Yao with great players. In 2008 they had Battier, Ron Artest, Luis Scola, aaron brooks, chuck hayes, carl landry, mutumbo.

If Tmac had stayed healthy.. he would have had the greatest opportunity to win a ring. But he was the one that couldn't stay healthy. He didn't win a ring not because nobody built a good team around him, but because he couldn't stay healthy. And this is part of how we rank players don't we? Durability, consistency, and health; Tmac fails at this part.

There's no defending T-Mac's lack of durability or mental frailty. He definitely didn't work hard enough to keep his fitness up after the 2003 season. It's as if he went on a steady decline of pre-season preparation as he came into each season looking less fit.

He was an amazing, supremely gifted player at his peak though, and I think that goes underappreciated sometimes by people who have an agenda against him. I can't defend his childish mentality, but he was the kind of player that needed a good team early in his career to help keep him motivated to stay healthy. He was stranded in a shit situation that caused him to lose hope.

[Whoah10115]

I don't have anything against McGrady, but he has no business being here ahead of Alonzo Mourning.



And let's be honest. Why does he make it over Grant Hill? Neither one got to the 2nd round (at least Hill didn't in his prime), but regardless of the PPG, Hill's peak is greater than McGrady's. He should have been All-NBA as a rookie and was All-NBA the next 5 years. Probably should have made another 1st Team, but his teams sucked. Has a legitimate argument over Malone in 96 as well.


And after all the injuries, he had an all-star season in Orlando and has been a very good player in Phoenix. McGrady was a contributor to Toronto and then great in Orlando and Houston, for about as long as Hill was. But he wasn't as good a contributor after being a great player, as Grant Hill was.

[RRR3]

I don't have anything against McGrady, but he has no business being here ahead of Alonzo Mourning.



And let's be honest. Why does he make it over Grant Hill? Neither one got to the 2nd round (at least Hill didn't in his prime), but regardless of the PPG, Hill's peak is greater than McGrady's. He should have been All-NBA as a rookie and was All-NBA the next 5 years. Probably should have made another 1st Team, but his teams sucked. Has a legitimate argument over Malone in 96 as well.


And after all the injuries, he had an all-star season in Orlando and has been a very good player in Phoenix. McGrady was a contributor to Toronto and then great in Orlando and Houston, for about as long as Hill was. But he wasn't as good a contributor after being a great player, as Grant Hill was.
:roll:

[colts19]

A. Mourning

[SHAQisGOAT]

Don't have the time to read the whole list and make a good pick, all I know is that Moncrief should be there already

[Duncan21formvp]

Penny Hardaway

[WillC]

Bob Lanier

[MiamiThrice]

Alonzo Mourning
http://ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/zo_saf1507-11.jpg
-7 Time NBA All-star
-NBA ****ing Champion on the 2006 Miami Heat
-2x DPOY
-550+ Bench Press
-Inspiration to kidney transplanters everywhere
-All NBA First Team in 99
-All NBA 2nd Team in 00
-Best defensive anchor in the best era for centers in the NBA History
-Has a high school named after him in Miami
-21.1 PPG 10.1 RPG 3.1 BPG career numbers prior to his kidney surgery

[Deuce Bigalow]

Alonzo Mourning
http://ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/zo_saf1507-11.jpg
-7 Time NBA All-star
-NBA ****ing Champion on the 2006 Miami Heat
-2x DPOY
-550+ Bench Press
-Inspiration to kidney transplanters everywhere
-All NBA First Team in 99
-All NBA 2nd Team in 00
-Best defensive anchor in the best era for centers in the NBA History
-Has a high school named after him in Miami
-21.1 PPG 10.1 RPG 3.1 BPG career numbers prior to his kidney surgeryStronger than Wilt? I never thought I'd live to see a stronger athlete than him.

[BIZARRO]

Bernard King.

[fsvr54]

Joe Dumars is being extremeley underrated, I pick him

[SHAQisGOAT]

Seriously:

2x DPOY
1 All-NBA First Team
4x All-NBA Second Team
4x All-Defensive First Team
1 All-Defensive Second Team
5x All-Star

50% FG 15.6 PPG 4.7 RPG 3.6 APG 1.3 SPG 0.3 BPG in only 30 MPG, for his career cut short by injuries

Amazing prime where he could put up 21/6/4/1.5/0.3, on great efficiency, easily, while playing some great lockdown D

Jordan called him one of his toughest matchups, because he would play amazing D on you then also provide great offense against you, the man did it all, had amazing energy and was a great athlete

Lead the Bucks in the 80's to 4th most wins, after the Celtics, Lakers and 76ers

This dude deserves to be in the top 70, at least imo, always overlooked and underrated

http://i50.tinypic.com/bhd0ci.jpg

[Whoah10115]

I don't understand how Moncrief isn't in the Hall-of-Fame. He should be.

[SHAQisGOAT]

I don't understand how Moncrief isn't in the Hall-of-Fame. He should be.

True

[Legends66NBA7]

I don't understand how Moncrief isn't in the Hall-of-Fame. He should be.

Same with Bernard King.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Same with Bernard King.

Also true

[Legends66NBA7]

Also true

I think it's not just lack of success keeping him out, but also the felony sex charges he had back in 1980:

http://historytogo.utah.gov/utah_chapters/utah_today/utahjazz.html


There were problems off the court, too. On News Years Day 1980, Bernard King was arrested on five felony sex charges.

I don't know, I think that's just one of the grudges they have against him going in the HOF (the voters)

[Heilige]

Bernard King

[tmacattack33]

Alonzo Mourning

[Whoah10115]

:roll:



Nothing laughable about it. McGrady was the greater scorer. Maybe would have been a better defender had he not been lazy. But Hill was better there. Hill was the better rebounder and passer, and he ran his team.


You can say that McGrady's team was scrubbish. Well so were Hill's Pistons. And he led them to 46 wins and 52 wins, in a better NBA. And he got that shitty team to two other playoffs, including the lockout season (which would translate to 48 wins).

[haji_d_robertas]

Tony Parker

[L.Kizzle]

I think it's not just lack of success keeping him out, but also the felony sex charges he had back in 1980:

http://historytogo.utah.gov/utah_chapters/utah_today/utahjazz.html



I don't know, I think that's just one of the grudges they have against him going in the HOF (the voters)
Thats a non issue.

[Legends66NBA7]

Thats a non issue.

Perhaps not, but I'm just saying that it could be true.

[dyna]

Alonzo Mourning

[Deuce Bigalow]

Alex English

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[Legends66NBA7]

How did Pau Gasol get over this guy? :biggums:

Is this a serious question ?

Did Alex English making NBA video game covers in Spain or any video game covers at all ? I didn't think so. :no:

[KGMN]

Alex English

[L.Kizzle]

Alex English
Bernard King >> English.

[SHAQisGOAT]

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Alex English

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[Deuce Bigalow]

Obsessed

[colts19]

voted for mourning but my next vote will be for Roger Brown, just getting that name out there so people can find out who he is.

[MasterDurant24]

[QUOTE=Deuce Bigalow]Alex English

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[pauk]

Adrian Dantley

[DG#8]

Sidney Moncrief

[Deuce Bigalow]

King and Mourning are tied for the lead with 5 votes

[Jasi]

King

[L.Kizzle]

voted for mourning but my next vote will be for Roger Brown, just getting that name out there so people can find out who he is.
Brown is an ABA only player, not like Gilmore.

[nycelt84]

I change my vote to Mourning.

[fsvr54]

How is no one voting Joe Dumars? I vote him

[Deuce Bigalow]

Tied at 6 now...can this one end already.

[L.Kizzle]

Tied at 6 now...can this one end already.
Don't count the changed vote.

Once you;re locked in, you're locked in.

[StateOfMind12]

Bernard King, he should probably be above McGrady too to be honest.

[Patrick Chewing]

Alex English