World Anti-Doping Agency says the NBA's anti-doping program is insufficient

[SevereUpInHere]

The director general of the World Anti-Doping Agency says the NBA's anti-doping program is insufficient.

"They've got gaps in their program, between what they do and what we suggest would be better," David Howman said.

"They know what we would suggest," added Howman, who calls for the NBA to test for human growth hormone, among other things. "And I would just hope that they would be discussing all of those things rather than just putting them on the side table."

The NBA declined comment.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8521302/wada-director-general-says-nba-gaps-anti-doping-program

The NBA doesn't test for HGH?? Unbelievable.

http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/09/30/110930112115899325.jpg


Thoughts?? I'd be gutted to hear of an Armstrong style controversy in our sport, regardless of it was a player I like or not.

[rodman91]

dat jaw.

[coin24]

Why do people always cry about this shit?
Especially with Armstrong, if all cyclists are using performance enhancers and he still beats them what's the problem?
If a bball player is using gh to help an injury heal faster who cares, I'd rather that than him sit on the sideline for a year..

[Real Men Wear Green]

Someone is probably doing it but most of the best players are on Team USA (including Wade) and they passed Olympic testing. If Durant is on steroids he should get a refund (haha).

[SevereUpInHere]

Why do people always cry about this shit?
Especially with Armstrong, if all cyclists are using performance enhancers and he still beats them what's the problem?
If a bball player is using gh to help an injury heal faster who cares, I'd rather that than him sit on the sideline for a year..


Are you serious? What about the guys who aren't? So you'd be happy to just see a bunch or roided up dudes running around out there? What about in college ball, should they be able to juice too? How bout junior comps too?

Would you look at Jordan/Kobe/Bron whoever differently if it came out they were using banned substances their whole career?

It's an unfair advantage over your competitors, don't know how people could defend this.

[SevereUpInHere]

Someone is probably doing it but most of the best players are on Team USA (including Wade) and they passed Olympic testing. If Durant is on steroids he should get a refund (haha).


As far as I know HGH doesn't stay in your system for a long time, would be easy to stop taking it over a couple of week long tournament.

Anyone know about this stuff?

[Euroleague]

Wow, what a shock...........NBA players and Team USA all on steroids and HGH and getting away with it for years, and they make an announcement like this.

Where the hell have these clowns been? The NBA drug testing is the biggest joke ever.

[Segatti]

Are you serious? What about the guys who aren't? So you'd be happy to just see a bunch or roided up dudes running around out there? What about in college ball, should they be able to juice too? How bout junior comps too?

Would you look at Jordan/Kobe/Bron whoever differently if it came out they were using banned substances their whole career?

It's an unfair advantage over your competitors, don't know how people could defend this.

This. :applause:

[Euroleague]

Someone is probably doing it but most of the best players are on Team USA (including Wade) and they passed Olympic testing. If Durant is on steroids he should get a refund (haha).

This is the biggest pile of bullshit. All the Team USA players are doped. Stop being such a freaking moron.

They have all the designer drugs that can pass any test, and the Olympics testing is years behind what labs in the US are doing. You are an extremely ignorant person on this subject if you believe that bullshit you just posted.

[atljonesbro]

This is the biggest pile of bullshit. All the Team USA players are doped. Stop being such a freaking moron.

They have all the designer drugs that can pass any test, and the Olympics testing is years behind what labs in the US are doing. You are an extremely ignorant person on this subject if you believe that bullshit you just posted.
Yo it's dat nugga Jayquiz AYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[copper]

Wow, what a shock...........NBA players and Team USA all on steroids and HGH and getting away with it for years, and they make an announcement like this.

Where the hell have these clowns been? The NBA drug testing is the biggest joke ever.
NBA drug test.... David Stern taps microphone and clears his throat.." Is anyone here on illegal performance enhancing drugs?"...long pause and silence from the players...." ok we're all clear then"

[Real Men Wear Green]

This is the biggest pile of bullshit. All the Team USA players are doped. Stop being such a freaking moron.

They have all the designer drugs that can pass any test, and the Olympics testing is years behind what labs in the US are doing. You are an extremely ignorant person on this subject if you believe that bullshit you just posted.
I'm sorry, I'm just not an ass like you to go around making accusations with no proof.

[SevereUpInHere]

NBA drug test.... David Stern taps microphone and clears his throat.." Is anyone here on illegal performance enhancing drugs?"...long pause and silence from the players...." ok we're all clear then"

:oldlol:

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5631/sternlolmedium.gif

[AK47DR91]

Someone is probably doing it but most of the best players are on Team USA (including Wade) and they passed Olympic testing. If Durant is on steroids he should get a refund (haha).
After the shit that went down at Penn State, anything is possible. The bigger the name is, the better cover up support they'll get.

[Real Men Wear Green]

After the shit that went down at Penn State, anything is possible. The bigger the name is, the better cover up support they'll get.
That doesn't mean it's right to assume that everyone is guilty. I'm not saying the NBA is completely clean. I'm saying we should wait for proof before we accuse.

[Euroleague]

I'm sorry, I'm just not an ass like you to go around making accusations with no proof.

The United States Senate investigated the NBA "testing" program and said it was a joke and far worse than anything MLB ever did. They said it was a sham and that they actively were doing what they had to so that players could dope and get away with it.

Delusional people like you deny reality and pretend it is not true.

[copper]

:oldlol:

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5631/sternlolmedium.gif
thnxfor the gif

[Euroleague]

That doesn't mean it's right to assume that everyone is guilty. I'm not saying the NBA is completely clean. I'm saying we should wait for proof before we accuse.

"Armstrong isn't doping. Where is the proof, wait for proof before you make false accusations".

"Bonds isn't doping. Where is the proof, wait for proof before you make false accusations".

That bullshit has been said by people like you for years and years and years on forums all over the internet like this one. Then all of a sudden when everyone has proof they did dope, you just pretend it never happened, that you denied it......."don't make accusations without proof".

Then you start the same crap here about NBA players.

WADA has said for years the NBA doping program would never pass as theirs
and so has the European anti doping agency. The Olympics has also admitted numerous times that they do not have the technology to detect the kinds of designer drugs that top US athletes would be taking.

But that maybe in 15 to 20 years AFTER THE FACT they might be able to detect it.

The US Senate said the NBA's drug testing policy was a complete joke and worse than MLB's before the steroid scandal.

But we have to be told by morons like you, "don't make accusations without proof".

:facepalm :rolleyes:

[Real Men Wear Green]

The United States Senate investigated the NBA "testing" program and said it was a joke and fare worse than anything MLB ever did. They said it was a sham and that they actively were doing what they had to so that players could dope and get away with it.

Delusional people like you deny reality and pretend it is not true.
You're full of shit. As usual. Link, please.

[Euroleague]

You're full of shit. As usual. Link, please.

I have posted the link numerous times in this site, even several times in direct discussions with you before.

You are such a complete ****ing JOKE.

Kudos to be the first mod I put on ignore.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I have posted the link numerous times in this site, even several times in direct discussions with you before.

You are such a complete ****ing JOKE.

Kudos to be the first mod I put on ignore.
You can't put me on ignore dumbass. No links, as usual.

[SevereUpInHere]

Stop f*cking up my thread Euroleague.

Is anyone else surprised they don't test for HGH? Crazy the players get tested for weed but not this.

[Euroleague]

Stop f*cking up my thread Euroleague.

Is anyone else surprised they don't test for HGH? Crazy the players get tested for weed but not this.

They don't get tested for HGH or steroids. The NBA simply CLAIMS they do. How many times does this have to be explained here?

The US senate already investigated and said that.

It's like some people here live in a parallel universe.

[outbreak]

For once i agree with euroleague, not sure if it was the senate though, but for years I've been hearing this and that sports body saying the NBA has terrible drug testing. There's incentive for stern to cover up drug problems rather then expose them which is the problem. It isn't about having drugs that pass the test, most beneficial aides for basketball can be cycled and if done correctly they won't show up during the testing periods. Can reliably beat even the Olympic drug tests with these kinds I'm told. It's naive to think with this much money on the line that there isn't a large amount of users in the NBA and it's a bad argument to say it's ok because everyone does it. This ruins any players who went before in a drug free eras legacy, can ruin future players with unbreakable records and can force young players to put their health at risk just to compete in their chosen profession.

[AK47DR91]

Stop f*cking up my thread Euroleague.

Is anyone else surprised they don't test for HGH? Crazy the players get tested for weed but not this.
The test (through blood) for HGH isn't approved by the FDA yet. Right now, they can test for steroids, just not HGH yet. This was a few years ago though during the HGH/steroid scandal in baseball so I'm not sure about the current state of HGH testing.

[PleezeBelieve]

Wade definitely took a shot to the ass during the playoffs last year

[Real Men Wear Green]

Stop f*cking up my thread Euroleague.

Is anyone else surprised they don't test for HGH? Crazy the players get tested for weed but not this.
A combo of them not thinking it's a problem and having higher priorities when negotiating the CBA. If the owners were willing to give up another percent of BRI I'd bet money they could have HGH testing.

[ballup]

Wow, what a shock...........NBA players and Team USA all on steroids and HGH and getting away with it for years, and they make an announcement like this.

Where the hell have these clowns been? The NBA drug testing is the biggest joke ever.
Ya, that stuff must be powerful. Aminu and Diogu must have had some of what Team USA had. Only explanation as to why they led their team to victory over Greece.

[outbreak]

A combo of them not thinking it's a problem and having higher priorities when negotiating the CBA. If the owners were willing to give up another percent of BRI I'd bet money they could have HGH testing.

Where's the incentive for the NBA not to cover up drug scandals and avoid tests though? They make more money having players recover quicker and be more athletic.

[SevereUpInHere]

They don't get tested for HGH or steroids. The NBA simply CLAIMS they do. How many times does this have to be explained here?

The US senate already investigated and said that.

It's like some people here live in a parallel universe.

Not saying you're making this up, but can I read about this somewhere? Curious to see exactly what they said.

[Euroleague]

Not saying you're making this up, but can I read about this somewhere? Curious to see exactly what they said.


Yes. I have found the link several times before and posted it here, in direct response to real men wear green, and he now pretends it does not exist. So he is a total jerk.

I will look for it, you can too. Google US senate NBA drug testing hearing, or report, or something like that.

You can get some copies of documents from some government site somewhere, because it has been posted on this forum SEVERAL times before, regardless of what real mean wear green claims.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Where's the incentive for the NBA not to cover up drug scandals and avoid tests though? They make more money having players recover quicker and be more athletic.
I didn't say they really cared about it. The NBA certainly has no interest in creating a doping scandal. But it's not like baseball where the Sosa/McGuire HR chase was a massive selling point. For the NBA open offense with a ton of scoring is what really sells the game, and that's neither helped nor hindered if everyone is doping and not just one side or a few players (if it was rampant it would be done by everyone so there's no net advantage for any team). Some (not all, of course) of the best players aren't explosive athletes at all, guys like Durant, Dirk, Melo, CP3. Meanwhile NBA history is full of amazing athletes like Kedrick Brown and Marcus Banks that accomplished nothing. The most recent Champ Lakers, Celts and Mavericks didn't feature any elite athletes. So I doubt HGH was a big deal to either side, and I do agree with you that if someone is doping the NBA has little interest in finding out.

Plus, could the NBA keep it this quiet if there was rampant doping? Wouldn't we hear about players with connections to Victor Conte or someone like that if there was a massive issue? I'd bet money that there are players cheating but if there was a large problem wouldn't we have seen some proof by now? The NBA has never had a doping scandal.

[Euroleague]

Damn it. I can't find it anymore. But it's on the net and it's been posted about 3 times on this forum.

I am sure we can find it eventually, but evidently now it's harder to find. I was able to get the CONFIRMATION though that it happened, I just can't find the actual report anymore. And apparently, it was the US House, not the US Senate.

Here is the confirmation it happened though:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/quora/why-has-the-nba-never-had_b_1879225.html

The NBA will tell you it has been vigorously testing for every kind of drug for decades and is just smarter than the other leagues.

Congress will tell you this: Under the NBA policy, NBA players face no random testing at all once they complete their rookie year. They are only tested once each year, during their one-month training camp. The policy also fails to cover a vast number of drugs. There are literally dozens of steroids and stimulants that are outlawed in Olympic competition that are still legal for use in the NBA. The policy fails to cover performance enhancers such as human growth hormone or EPO. And it fails to cover designer steroids."

As of 2009, the media reported it this way: Lawmakers on the House Government Reform Committee called the NBA's drug-testing policy "a joke," saying it's weaker than the NFL's or baseball's. As the NBA's steroids policy was branded "pathetic" by lawmakers Thursday, the head of a congressional panel said he will propose a law creating drug-testing standards for the four major professional sports leagues.*


Now once again, real men wear green knows this, as I myself have had this argument with him before and posted the actual report here.

But again, he pretends to know nothing about this and makes claims you are lying if you don't provide a "link". He definitely has some kind of agenda on this issue.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Yes. I have found the link several times before and posted here, in direct response to real men wear green and he now pretends it does not exist. So he is a total jerk.

I will look for it, you can too.Google US senate NBA drug testing hearing or report or something like that.

You can get some copies of documents from some government site somewhere, because it has been posted on this forum SEVERAL times before, regardless of what real mean wear green claims.
You're so full of shit. Seriously, it's insane. When you're talking to people in real life do they stick a plunger over your mouth and start pumping?

[monkeypox]

As far as I know HGH doesn't stay in your system for a long time, would be easy to stop taking it over a couple of week long tournament.

Anyone know about this stuff?

There are things you can take that will be gone 6 hours after you use them. They basically stay in your system just long enough to help you on a workout or the ones that you use to recover faster after a workout. Considering the millions involved it's hard to imagine that most top level athletes would not use them. The risk involved on the lower end are almost noexistant.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Damn it. I can't find it anymore. But it's on the net and it's been posted about 3 times on this forum.

I am sure we can find it eventually, but evidently now it's harder to find. I was able to get the CONFIRMATION though that it happened, I just can't find the actual report anymore.

Here is the confirmation it happened though:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/quora/why-has-the-nba-never-had_b_1879225.html

The NBA will tell you it has been vigorously testing for every kind of drug for decades and is just smarter than the other leagues.
Congress will tell you this: Under the NBA policy, NBA players face no random testing at all once they complete their rookie year. They are only tested once each year, during their one-month training camp. The policy also fails to cover a vast number of drugs. There are literally dozens of steroids and stimulants that are outlawed in Olympic competition that are still legal for use in the NBA. The policy fails to cover performance enhancers such as human growth hormone or EPO. And it fails to cover designer steroids."
As of 2009, the media reported it this way: Lawmakers on the House Government Reform Committee called the NBA's drug-testing policy "a joke," saying it's weaker than the NFL's or baseball's. As the NBA's steroids policy was branded "pathetic" by lawmakers Thursday, the head of a congressional panel said he will propose a law creating drug-testing standards for the four major professional sports leagues.*


Now once again, real men wear green knows this, as I myself have had this argument with him before and posted the actual report here.

But again, he pretends to know nothing about this and makes claims you are lying if you don't provide a "link". He definitely has some kind of agenda on this issue.
LOL, I almost never talk to you and have no recollection of this "discussion." Congrats on digging up a quote by someone in the House of Representatives (not the Senate) unfortunately in the 3 years since this statement by Congressman Whoever we've seen no law created to deal with the NBA's rampant HGH abuse.

[Euroleague]

You're so full of shit. Seriously, it's insane. When you're talking to people in real life do they stick a plunger over your mouth and start pumping?


Another source has been provided for you, proving AGAIN that it is true.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Another source has been provided for you, proving AGAIN that it is true.
Are you referring to the "House of Senate" anonymous congressman link that led nowhere near to a law? Yeah...the plunger has been proven true.

[Euroleague]

LOL, I almost never talk to you and have no recollection of this "discussion." Congrats on digging up a quote by someone in the House of Representatives (not the Senate) unfortunately in the 3 years since this statement by Congressman Whoever we've seen no law created to deal with the NBA's rampant HGH abuse.

OK, but I remember having this argument before with one of the mods here (I thought it was you) and this report (it was the US House, not the Senate) was posted here, where it detailed basically that the NBA simply allows the use of steroids and HGH.

But maybe it was another mod......

Anyway, the whole thing is ridiculous, because I do remember the topic of the testing for the sports set by the government coming up, and somehow the NBA blocked it with a team of lawyers. There was talk of forcing an investigation to expose the NBA players that use HGH and steroids, like with baseball, but the funds were cut.

So basically, the bottom line is, the NBA does not and NEVER HAS tested for steroids or HGH. They simply claim they do and get away with it. The drugs that the NBA players would be using also simply are undetected by Olympics testing.

So when people bring that up as an argument, it's just a bullshit excuse and untrue. As I said, the Olympics is very clear on the fact that they are 15-20 years away from detecting designer steroids, which is exactly what the house investigation said the NBA players are using.

For whatever reason, the NBA gets a total pass on this from the government and media, while baseball was rocked by it. The bizarre thing though is that so many NBA fans seem to have no clue about this.

I am sorry, but the NBA players dope, and anyone saying otherwise is just totally naive and ignorant on the matter. I am sure though that the NBA, Team USA, NBA stars, etc. are going to get their Barry Bonds, Roger Clemens, Lance Armstrong comeuppance eventually.

[Euroleague]

Are you referring to the "House of Senate" anonymous congressman link that led nowhere near to a law? Yeah...the plunger has been proven true.

This guy has a CLEAR agenda. Deny the NBA does not test for PEDS at any cost in this forum.

[outbreak]

There's a lot of stuff out there to help older teams with injuries, muscle health and joint issues. I also thought there has been a few players who've received the 14 day (or whatever the first offence ban is in the nba) for banned substances. The NBA doesn't seem to report it when it happens but i've seen on a few players wikis and stuff mentions of short suspensions for things. We'll never really know until a big story though so it's just speculating now. Sad the world we live in where we have to question this.

[Euroleague]

There's a lot of stuff out there to help older teams with injuries, muscle health and joint issues. I also thought there has been a few players who've received the 14 day (or whatever the first offence ban is in the nba) for banned substances. The NBA doesn't seem to report it when it happens but i've seen on a few players wikis and stuff mentions of short suspensions for things. We'll never really know until a big story though so it's just speculating now. Sad the world we live in where we have to question this.


The positive tests are for stimulants and for non designer steroids, not designer steroids or HGH. Two totally different things.

I remember for example, Juan Dixon tested by the NBA and was clean, 2 weeks later he was tested by the Greek League and banned for 2 years from European competitions because he tested positive for anabolic steroids.

Now, NBA claims it bans anabolic steroids, but the same player tested clean under their test, then failed the European test just 2 weeks later.

And they don't give bans in Europe unless the test sample is tested numerous times with different labs and unless the player fails TWO TESTS.

Two weeks earlier, he passed the NBA drug test.

The whole idea that the NBA players don't dope is totally ludicrous.

[daily]

This guy has a CLEAR agenda. Deny the NBA does not test for PEDS at any cost in this forum.The only one in this thread with an agenda is you. And to be honest Euroleague why proving you're the dumbest human alive is so important to you I'll never understand

[Euroleague]

The only one in this thread with an agenda is you. And to be honest Euroleague why proving you're the dumbest human alive is so important to you I'll never understand

Wow, now the NBA office is posting.....

[monkeypox]

http://vimeo.com/51662984

Here's a long ass interview that was posted yesterday with the Balco guy. He goes in to extreme detail about how PED's work across all sports including how easy it is to beat Olympic testing. "It's an IQ test, not a drug test." That's how easy it is to beat the tests. Skip like the first ten minutes or so since it's Joe Rogan talking high and the guests talking about hookers and drugs in prison. The detailed drug stuff comes up later.

[MeLO MvP 15]

The positive tests are for stimulants and for non designer steroids, not designer steroids or HGH. Two totally different things.

I remember for example, Juan Dixon tested by the NBA and was clean, 2 weeks later he was tested by the Greek League and banned for 2 years from European competitions because he tested positive for anabolic steroids.

Now, NBA claims it bans anabolic steroids, but the same player tested clean under their test, then failed the European test just 2 weeks later.

And they don't give bans in Europe unless the test sample is tested numerous times with different labs and unless the player fails TWO TESTS.

Two weeks earlier, he passed the NBA drug test.

The whole idea that the NBA players don't dope is totally ludicrous.
Link?

Oh wait, I forgot you don't believe in those.

[outbreak]

the drug juan got done for 2 years on, is the same one rashard lewis got 10 days in the nba for...
I haven't found any evidence though that he was tested just before leaving the nba and passed.

[SevereUpInHere]

http://vimeo.com/51662984

Here's a long ass interview that was posted yesterday with the Balco guy. He goes in to extreme detail about how PED's work across all sports including how easy it is to beat Olympic testing. "It's an IQ test, not a drug test." That's how easy it is to beat the tests. Skip like the first ten minutes or so since it's Joe Rogan talking high and the guests talking about hookers and drugs in prison. The detailed drug stuff comes up later.

That was a f*cking interesting interview. Cheers mate.

[KG215]

Article: "World Anti-Doping Agency says the NBA's anti-doping program is insufficient"

Euroleague: "Everyone in the NBA is doping and all of team USA was doping!!"

As usual, he sees something that could be degrading to the NBA, takes what information he has, and jumps to absurd conclusions and assumes everyone is guilty because it fits his agenda.

And before you go on another one of your "you're a re****ed lunatic psychotic" rants and call me a bunch of other names, I'm not denying there's HGH, steroids, and other performance-enhancers used by NBA players. But the way you come in this thread just to try and make it sound like everyone in the NBA is doing it, to fit your "I HATE THE NBA!!!" agenda shows just how big of a joke you are.

[iamgine]

Hmm if there are really stuff which can "help" athletes with little side effect and will be gone from the body in 6 hours, I'd be surprised if not all top athletes use it. It's just the logical progression. They'd be stupid not to.

[Remix]

Euroleague still salty the WNBA is better than the Euros:roll:

[eliteballer]

How fitting it's called WADA:roll:

[eliteballer]

At present, HGH is banned in the NBA, but the league does not test players' blood for it.

This is absurd.

[coin24]

Are you serious? What about the guys who aren't? So you'd be happy to just see a bunch or roided up dudes running around out there? What about in college ball, should they be able to juice too? How bout junior comps too?

Would you look at Jordan/Kobe/Bron whoever differently if it came out they were using banned substances their whole career?

It's an unfair advantage over your competitors, don't know how people could defend this.

I dont consider HGH as "juicing".. If its used at correct dosages its amazing for injury recovery etc.. I certainly dont consider this to be "roided up":facepalm Not all steroids are for bulking, theyre not bodybuilders FFS...

Youre naive and foolish if you dont think the majority of professional athletes are using performance enhancing drugs. How is it an unfair advantage when the majority are doing it? The guys that dobbed in Lance were all "cheating" also, even they said the majority do it:lol And he still beat them all... If its soley because he "cheated", why couldnt any of the other "cheats" beat him??????:confusedshrug:

If you want to see guys abusing steroids for bulking etc have a look at some of the NFL players:oldlol: .. And with the college/HS comment, a lot of them do so they can make the Pros etc. I dont agree with anybody under the age of 18 using anything, even legal supplements, as youre still growing naturally. After that, youre an adult, its your body do as you please.. If you want to risk tumors, organ growth and all the various other possible side effects then its up to you.

From some of the comments in this thread youd think a cycle of test or a few months on HGH turns you into an automatic All Star!!

[FinishHim!]

You've gotta be kidding if anyone out there thinks the majority of NBA players today are clean. Even the ones that have passed tests, there are certainly things they can take that aren't yet banned or wouldn't show up on a test.

[FinishHim!]

From some of the comments in this thread youd think a cycle of test or a few months on HGH turns you into an automatic All Star!!

HGH certainly doesn't improve your playing ability but it can bulk up a scrawny dude real quick. One of my friends who I used to work out with started taking HGH and damn. He was one of the skinniest dudes you'd ever see. 6'3 150lbs. And he was a regular in the gym who didn't do any running but struggled to put on weight. 3 months later, dude was up to 230lbs and that's a ton of weight to gain in 3 months just doing regular shit at the gym.

[coin24]

HGH certainly doesn't improve your playing ability but it can bulk up a scrawny dude real quick. One of my friends who I used to work out with started taking HGH and damn. He was one of the skinniest dudes you'd ever see. 6'3 150lbs. And he was a regular in the gym who didn't do any running but struggled to put on weight. 3 months later, dude was up to 230lbs and that's a ton of weight to gain in 3 months just doing regular shit at the gym.

That story sounds like bullshit.:lol
80 pounds in 3 months? :roll:

HGH by itself does NOT work like that... Add some insulin and a shit load of Test and maybe you could achieve that. Eating 8 times a day etc...

[dunksby]

This is the biggest pile of bullshit. All the Team USA players are doped. Stop being such a freaking moron.

They have all the designer drugs that can pass any test, and the Olympics testing is years behind what labs in the US are doing. You are an extremely ignorant person on this subject if you believe that bullshit you just posted.
If you think players from the rest of the planet don't have access to such supposed drugs you are suggesting then you are an idiot. If those drugs are years ahead of tests then what is preventing others to use them? Don't tell me it's because of morals or copyrights.

[coin24]

If you think players from the rest of the planet don't have access to such supposed drugs you are suggesting then you are an idiot. If those drugs are years ahead of tests then what is preventing others to use them? Don't tell me it's because of morals or copyrights.

Dont bother arguing with that retard he has no idea. He hates the NBA yet spends all day on an NBA forum:oldlol:

[FinishHim!]

That story sounds like bullshit.:lol
80 pounds in 3 months? :roll:

HGH by itself does NOT work like that... Add some insulin and a shit load of Test and maybe you could achieve that. Eating 8 times a day etc...
I'm gonna put before and after pictures up. Now he's double his old weight a year later.

[monkeypox]

This is absurd.


Accoring to the Balco guy HGH isn't worth testing for since it's only really effective when used with other steroids. So the money is better off spent on better testing on the other steroids. HGH only speeds up recovery and healing and will not give you anything you already didn't have.

[monkeypox]

That was a f*cking interesting interview. Cheers mate.

Yeah, it's like two hours but that guy drops tons of info. It's too bad Joe Rogan was too stoned to ask better questions.

[coin24]

I'm gonna put before and after pictures up. Now he's double his old weight a year later.

Im not saying that parts BS, the him only taking GH part is a lie though...
It doesnt work like that..

[coin24]

Accoring to the Balco guy HGH isn't worth testing for since it's only really effective when used with other steroids. So the money is better off spent on better testing on the other steroids. HGH only speeds up recovery and healing and will not give you anything you already didn't have.

This is true. Im not sure why its so hard for people on here to understand:facepalm

[FinishHim!]

Im not saying that parts BS, the him only taking GH part is a lie though...
It doesnt work like that..
He didn't "only" take HGH but he didn't take anything else of that nature or eat 8 times a day. That's stupid. He had HGH in pill form that he would take regularly. Along with Whey Protein and Creatine combined with his regular workouts. And he did eat a lot of steak other food types that help you put on mass quicker. But he was doing all of that minus the HGH before and it would take him forever just to put on a few pounds. And then all of a sudden he was gaining rapidly. I don't think you know as much about HGH as you are acting like, it's one thing to read about it, it's another to have actually seen it being put into practice.

[coin24]

He didn't "only" take HGH but he didn't take anything else of that nature or eat 8 times a day. That's stupid. He had HGH in pill form that he would take regularly. Along with Whey Protein and Creatine combined with his regular workouts. And he did eat a lot of steak other food types that help you put on mass quicker. But he was doing all of that minus the HGH before and it would take him forever just to put on a few pounds. And then all of a sudden he was gaining rapidly. I don't think you know as much about HGH as you are acting like, it's one thing to read about it, it's another to have actually seen it being put into practice.

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

You have to be trolling.. HGH in pill form??:lol Idiot...

Also if someone is running a big cycle to gain bulk that quickly, that is how often you will be eating. Obviously it is you that has no idea about anything supplement/steroid related...

[Qwertyazerty]

It is scary to see how many people believe in the posibility a 6'8" guy can run, jump, fight for position or simply play basketball at that level, 82 times in a regular season without help of any ilegal substance. Marihuana is ilegal and we all know many of them are using it, also people we cheer for, that is the better proof of the low testing there is.

[Floppy]

I'll never understand how people can think that a multi-billion dollar industry that has pathetic testing standards is mostly clean while a sport like cycling that generates far far less money and has the strictest testing of any sport is riddled with systematic doping.

[KG215]

I'm gonna put before and after pictures up. Now he's double his old weight a year later.

So he's up to 300 pounds and gained 150 pounds in just one year by taking HGH and working out?

You're full of shit.

[FinishHim!]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

You have to be trolling.. HGH in pill form??:lol Idiot...

Also if someone is running a big cycle to gain bulk that quickly, that is how often you will be eating. Obviously it is you that has no idea about anything supplement/steroid related...
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h128/ewil_23/PhotoGrid_1350668554150-1.jpg
:biggums:

[FinishHim!]

So he's up to 300 pounds in gained 150 pounds in just one year by taking HGH and working out?

You're full of shit.
It's not "exactly" double on the number. But he's 280 which is pretty damn close.

[9erempiree]

Do you think MJ took steroids and learned how to cycle with roids?

He was in baseball and they have some advanced ways to ingest and inject these things.

[ILLsmak]

Do you think MJ took steroids and learned how to cycle with roids?

He was in baseball and they have some advanced ways to ingest and inject these things.

yes.

-Smak

[Euroleague]

You've gotta be kidding if anyone out there thinks the majority of NBA players today are clean. Even the ones that have passed tests, there are certainly things they can take that aren't yet banned or wouldn't show up on a test.

Yeah, but as you can see in this thread, there are just endless amounts of retarded people out there.

[Euroleague]

It is scary to see how many people believe in the posibility a 6'8" guy can run, jump, fight for position or simply play basketball at that level, 82 times in a regular season without help of any ilegal substance. Marihuana is ilegal and we all know many of them are using it, also people we cheer for, that is the better proof of the low testing there is.


I'll never understand how people can think that a multi-billion dollar industry that has pathetic testing standards is mostly clean while a sport like cycling that generates far far less money and has the strictest testing of any sport is riddled with systematic doping.


Once again, the average poster on this forum has an IQ of around 60-70.

[Poochymama]

Once again, the average poster on this forum has an IQ of around 60-70.

And yet you still somehow manage to bring that average down...

[Poetry]

They need to test for that Michael Jordan Barbeque Sauce. I heard Kobe is getting it injected directly into his knee by some crazy Prussian Scientist.

[monkeypox]

Once again, the average poster on this forum has an IQ of around 60-70.


The thing that's funny is that you seem to think the Euroleague is cleaner. Or am I wrong about that?

[coin24]

Once again, the average poster on this forum has an IQ of around 60-70.

Is your life that boring that you spend time on an NBA forum when you hate the NBA?:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:
Not much doing in Arkansas today?

[Euroleague]

The thing that's funny is that you seem to think the Euroleague is cleaner. Or am I wrong about that?


Can you not read? Euroleague is controlled by the European anti doping agency. It's no comment on the players or the league. It's just that they would get banned for 2 years if they used HGH or designer steroids.

Why the hell do you think they tell all the players that sign there from NBA that they have to go through a detox before they sign with a Euroleague team?

The point is not about the players or league you ****ing stupid jackass. It's that the NBA chooses not to test for the PEDs.

My god some of you are so ****ing pathetic.

[monkeypox]

Can you not read? Euroleague is controlled by the European anti doping agency. It's no comment on the players or the league. It's just that they would get banned for 2 years if they used HGH or designer steroids.

Why the hell do you think they tell all the players that sign there from NBA that they have to go through a detox before they sign with a Euroleague team?

The point is not about the players or league you ****ing stupid jackass. It's that the NBA chooses not to test for the PEDs.

My god some of you are so ****ing pathetic.


Uh... yeah but your agenda is always that the NBA is full of roiders and that's what gives them some of the advantage over the Euroleague no? When the reality is that even olympic testing is a joke. The real likelihood is that both leagues are rife with PED abuse. The real limiting factor in the euroleague isn't likely testing but how much money they have to spend on PED's, which are expensive for the undetectable variety.

[Euroleague]

Uh... yeah but your agenda is always that the NBA is full of roiders and that's what gives them some of the advantage over the Euroleague no? When the reality is that even olympic testing is a joke. The real likelihood is that both leagues are rife with PED abuse. The real limiting factor in the euroleague isn't likely testing but how much money they have to spend on PED's, which are expensive for the undetectable variety.

I never said anything about NBA versus the Euroleague. I said TEAM USA has an advantage because they are roided.

Euroleague players get banned for 2 years and they have to get tested all the time. They also test for all the drugs NBA does not.

I don't know why you are being such a douche bag. This discussion has nothing to do with the Euroleague.

[monkeypox]

I never said anything about NBA versus the Euroleague. I said TEAM USA has an advantage because they are roided.

Euroleague players get banned for 2 years and they have to get tested all the time. They also test for all the drugs NBA does not.

I don't know why you are being such a douche bag. This discussion has nothing to do with the Euroleague.


Come on dude, it's ALWAYS about euroleague with you. I don't even care either way about euroleague vs the NBA. It's even dumber that you're specifically saying Team USA since the rest of the teams best players are from the NBA and by your estimation roided to the gills. You keep saying this isn't about the Euroleague while mentioning that they get banned for 2 years and get tested all the time like it means something. What difference does it make if you get banned longer if the tests are still easy to get past? Unless you're telling me Euroleague tests harder than the Olympics?

[KG215]

I never said anything about NBA versus the Euroleague. I said TEAM USA has an advantage because they are roided.


That, and they're generally more talented and better than everyone else.

[bdreason]

Since when has the U.S. cared what the World thinks? :oldlol:

[SpanishACB]

The problem with the NBA is that steroid use is so generalized that if they started running random tests it'd run out of superstars in 2 weeks.

For the record, Lionel Messi took HGH in order to become a footballer.