Anyone here mess with Testosterone boosters?

[code green]

I've heard pretty mixed reviews on them, but the general consensus seems to be that they work, at least somewhat. I picked up a really cheap brand (Six Star) after looking at some of the supplements they had at a local drugstore. It wasn't much, and I'm not expecting any miracles, but if I notice anything, I'm gonna research some more and pick up a more respected brand. I'm 5'7", 150, trying to get back up to the 160-163 range after losing most of my gains when I had pneumonia a month ago. Also looking for a little bit of a "pick me up" because I take prescription anxiety medication for insomnia that sort of dulls my senses a little bit. Anyone here use them before? What were the results? Any recommended brands?

[Reef]

I've heard pretty mixed reviews on them, but the general consensus seems to be that they work, at least somewhat. I picked up a really cheap brand (Six Star) after looking at some of the supplements they had at a local drugstore. It wasn't much, and I'm not expecting any miracles, but if I notice anything, I'm gonna research some more and pick up a more respected brand. I'm 5'7", 150, trying to get back up to the 160-163 range after losing most of my gains when I had pneumonia a month ago. Also looking for a little bit of a "pick me up" because I take prescription anxiety medication for insomnia that sort of dulls my senses a little bit. Anyone here use them before? What were the results? Any recommended brands?

If you need to gain weight, it's all about calories. Just eat more and take plenty of protein. At your age, you should have plenty of testosterone naturally. Give creatine a try if you really want to take a supplement.

[upside24]

If you need to gain weight, it's all about calories. Just eat more and take plenty of protein. At your age, you should have plenty of testosterone naturally. Give creatine a try if you really want to take a supplement.
This. Get GNC brand weight gainer. It's realitively cheap and almost 1000 calories a serving. Half before you lift and half after.

Be sure to get plenty of sleep too. May be an issue since you mention insomnia issues, but without enough rest your body won't bulk up.

Many current test boosters are not that effective since the restrictions on them have increased in recent years. I know the Six Star booster you've bought but havn't heard anything about it results wise.

[code green]

Thanka for the replies. I know calories are important, seems to be my main problem. I'm both working, and going to school full time, so nailing down a meal routine has been a challenge. Add that to a fast metabolism, and I have days where I lose close to 5 pounds. I'll definitely give that gainer a try if I don't see results soon. $70 isn't bad, but it's enough to make me try eating some more before I go out and buy it. My gym schedule has taken a solid hit since the semester started too, I gotta work on my time management.

[9erempiree]

Also, to the OP...diet is very important. You should be having 6 meals a day.

I recommend the usual breakfast, lunch and dinner...so in between those meals you should have 3 more.

Since you are a student and on the run....try peanut butter, package or can of tuna, can of sardines, cottage cheese and yogurt. Those are high in protein and will help with gains.

[upside24]

Thanka for the replies. I know calories are important, seems to be my main problem. I'm both working, and going to school full time, so nailing down a meal routine has been a challenge. Add that to a fast metabolism, and I have days where I lose close to 5 pounds. I'll definitely give that gainer a try if I don't see results soon. $70 isn't bad, but it's enough to make me try eating some more before I go out and buy it. My gym schedule has taken a solid hit since the semester started too, I gotta work on my time management.
A good way to get calories and nutrients when time is an issue is Equate brand "Slim Fast" shakes. Essientially the same as Slim Fast but cheaper, it provides +200 calories and 10 g of protein IIRC.

Keep a couple cans in your car and drink them as soon as you start to feel hungry. You want to eat or supplement calories through shakes about every three hours to make sure your body isn't going into catabolism (muscle wasting/hunger).

It's not healthy but McDonalds is an easy way to add quick weight. Two double cheeseburgers, two apple pies and a large shake is about 1600 calories.

3000-3500 calories a day, 1-1.5 grams protein per pound bodyweight, and regular weight work will definitely get you back to your previous weight.

[9erempiree]

A good way to get calories and nutrients when time is an issue is Equate brand "Slim Fast" shakes. Essientially the same as Slim Fast but cheaper, it provides +200 calories and 10 g of protein IIRC.

Keep a couple cans in your car and drink them as soon as you start to feel hungry. You want to eat or supplement calories through shakes about every three hours to make sure your body isn't going into catabolism (muscle wasting/hunger).

It's not healthy but McDonalds is an easy way to add quick weight. Two double cheeseburgers, two apple pies and a large shake is about 1600 calories.

3000-3500 calories a day, 1-1.5 grams protein per pound bodyweight, and regular weight work will definitely get you back to your previous weight.

I would assume you are suggesting this on workout days right?

I can't see that doing anything on days off.

[Umad101]

Thanka for the replies. I know calories are important, seems to be my main problem. I'm both working, and going to school full time, so nailing down a meal routine has been a challenge. Add that to a fast metabolism, and I have days where I lose close to 5 pounds. I'll definitely give that gainer a try if I don't see results soon. $70 isn't bad, but it's enough to make me try eating some more before I go out and buy it. My gym schedule has taken a solid hit since the semester started too, I gotta work on my time management.
Bro just eat alot no matter what if u want to pack on size. Remember peanut butter is ur friend. If u can't find time to eat get fast food, I know it not the healthiest but it better than not eating at all if ur trying to put on weight. Just called it a dirty bulk and cut later when ur satisfied with ur size. And also don't forget to lift. Good luck on ur journey

[hateraid]

How old are you?

[LBJ 23]

Also, to the OP...diet is very important. You should be having 6 meals a day.

I recommend the usual breakfast, lunch and dinner...so in between those meals you should have 3 more.




Bullsh*t

[upside24]

I would assume you are suggesting this on workout days right?

I can't see that doing anything on days off.
Some people say that on off days you don't need to consume that many calories and use a weight gainer but from my experience and from others I know eating heavy and supplementing everyday is the best way to add size.

Some people gain easier than others and don't need to get +3000 cals a day but I do as a hardgainer.

For me it's easier to maintain my appetite and drive to eat that much if I do it all the time and not just certain days.

Edit: 9erempiree is right, 6 meals a day is ideal. Your body absorbs nutrients more efficiently in smaller meals and by spacing out 6 smaller meals opposed to 3 your body has a more steady supply of those nutrients. It's all about excess and not letting your body hunger. To gain weight your body has to consume more than it burns.

[code green]

How old are you?

25. I was hoping you'd make an appearance

[MiamiThrice]

Any "test booster" that you can buy over the counter is a waste of money and a ****ing joke. If your interested in supplements taking some Zinc(the main ingredient in most "natural" boosters) and some Vitamin D(especially if you dont have a job that puts you out in the sun). Vitamin D is just a great supplement all around and there have been studies that show the correlation between the levels of Vitamin D in someones body and their testosterone.

As soon as I got on Zinc my loads when cumming were way bigger.

If your looking to gain weight, you just have to eat above your maintenance levels in calories(if you don't know this, a good starting point is your weight multipled by 13-14). Eatting more than that in accordance with working out will get you bigger.

Also don't listen to any of these retards about meal frequency. There are no studies that back that shit up. Unless you honestly enjoy preparing 6 meals per day that is. i skip breakfest everyday and workout fasted and give myself an 8 hour eating window where I get all of my calories in that timespan which helps me recover from that workout.

[9erempiree]

Some people say that on off days you don't need to consume that many calories and use a weight gainer but from my experience and from others I know eating heavy and supplementing everyday is the best way to add size.

Some people gain easier than others and don't need to get +3000 cals a day but I do as a hardgainer.

For me it's easier to maintain my appetite and drive to eat that much if I do it all the time and not just certain days.

Edit: 9erempiree is right, 6 meals a day is ideal. Your body absorbs nutrients more efficiently in smaller meals and by spacing out 6 smaller meals opposed to 3 your body has a more steady supply of those nutrients. It's all about excess and not letting your body hunger. To gain weight your body has to consume more than it burns.

interesting.

I have a hard time eating that much meals but I try to eat on workout days and recovery days.

In my opinion, I think eating on rest days or week will only gain you fat. I could be wrong. For example, I have a protein shake everyday I workout and if I'm taking days off, I would hold off on the shakes.

[upside24]

interesting.

I have a hard time eating that much meals but I try to eat on workout days and recovery days.

In my opinion, I think eating on rest days or week will only gain you fat. I could be wrong. For example, I have a protein shake everyday I workout and if I'm taking days off, I would hold off on the shakes.
I don't have to worry much about gaining fat because of my metabolism so I just eat constantly but you are right that for some eating like that on off days will add more fat.

I always make sure I get enough protein though especially on off days where I'm really sore.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Never used Test boosters, but I'd highly recommend everyone on ISH to slowly.. but surely incorporate the following habits.

Hormones play a huge f*cking role on how you feel, how you look and literally waht you think. I've done extensive experimentation on this.

HGH. Good.
Test. Great.
Prolactin. Bad.
Oxytocin. Depends.
Vasopressin. Good.
Estrogen. Good when regulated.


When one feels low on test, they feel lonely, sad, weak, victimized empty . When they are high on test I feel fulfilled, strong, purpoes-driven, motivated, horny, creative. The second is better, but has been linked to temporarily decreased IQ and decreased verbal ability.

High T men + High T, smart girl = Son destined to succeed

High T + High IQ = Trait of practically every conqueror in the world. The sexy mix of brains and brawns we at ISH aspire to attain.




- Meditate to reduce stress
- Take the following Vitamins (in order of importnace). D, C, A, E.
Minerals: Zinc/Magnesium
- Don't drink bottled water
- Get 10-15 minutes of sunlight in the noon. Just sit there and soak up the suns rays. EVERY ANIMAL does this.
- Eat egg yolks and red meat and avocados and garlic and onions. Don't eat sh!t that comes out of a factory, for the most part.
- For the older guy.s. if you have trouble getting it up, take a concoction of Ginger, Garlic, Gingko, Cayenne, Maca, and Tongkat Ali (WORKED for the 90 year olds in India and China who continue to bang their wives every night, all night) You will be ROCK hard and have excellent circulation. that lively feeling you get after a good run/swim.
- Eat lots of broccoli, cualiflower, kale. They have potent anti-estrogenic properties. And they are awesome against cancer as well.
- For workouts, do squats/deadilfts 2X week. HEAVY.
- THere are dozens of toxic things around you... avoid this. Unfilitered drinking water has residue from birth control pills (ethyl estradiol), so get yourself a filter. Phytoestrogens. Avoid air freshners, carpet freshener,s synthetic materials and a few others.
- Run sprints and avoid marathon running.
- Get sufficient sleep.


Not a HYOOOGE deal persay, but a few small steps can get you alive and kickin!
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[MiamiThrice]

Never used Test boosters, but I'd highly recommend everyone on ISH to slowly.. but surely incorporate the following habits.

Hormones play a huge f*cking role on how you feel, how you look and literally waht you think. I've done extensive experimentation on this.

HGH. Good.
Test. Great.
Prolactin. Bad.
Oxytocin. Depends.
Vasopressin. Good.
Estrogen. Good when regulated.


When one feels low on test, they feel lonely, sad, weak, victimized empty . When they are high on test I feel fulfilled, strong, purpoes-driven, motivated, horny, creative. The second is better, but has been linked to temporarily decreased IQ and decreased verbal ability.

High T men + High T, smart girl = Son destined to succeed

High T + High IQ = Trait of practically every conqueror in the world. The sexy mix of brains and brawns we at ISH aspire to attain.




- Meditate to reduce stress
- Take the following Vitamins (in order of importnace). D, C, A, E.
Minerals: Zinc/Magnesium
- Don't drink bottled water
- Get 10-15 minutes of sunlight in the noon. Just sit there and soak up the suns rays. EVERY ANIMAL does this.
- Eat egg yolks and red meat and avocados and garlic and onions. Don't eat sh!t that comes out of a factory, for the most part.
- For the older guy.s. if you have trouble getting it up, take a concoction of Ginger, Garlic, Gingko, Cayenne, Maca, and Tongkat Ali (WORKED for the 90 year olds in India and China who continue to bang their wives every night, all night) You will be ROCK hard and have excellent circulation. that lively feeling you get after a good run/swim.
- Eat lots of broccoli, cualiflower, kale. They have potent anti-estrogenic properties. And they are awesome against cancer as well.
- For workouts, do squats/deadilfts 2X week. HEAVY.
- THere are dozens of toxic things around you... avoid this. Unfilitered drinking water has residue from birth control pills (ethyl estradiol), so get yourself a filter. Phytoestrogens. Avoid air freshners, carpet freshener,s synthetic materials and a few others.
- Run sprints and avoid marathon running.
- Get sufficient sleep.


Not a HYOOOGE deal persay, but a few small steps can get you alive and kickin!
-

Good post, most of this shit is legit.

Though I am curious on the no bottled water? Wtf?

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Good post, most of this shit is legit.

Though I am curious on the no bottled water? Wtf?

Tap + Reverse Osmosis is optimal.

If you need to, do it.

Understand there are traces of undesirable things.

[LBJ 23]

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As usual, you know what you're talking about.

What is your stance on acid and alkaline foods. How much importance would you give to this topic if we're talking about health first, appearance second? :cheers:

[hateraid]

25. I was hoping you'd make an appearance

You're young, you are raging with testosterone. But in any case they will help. I'd recommend using d-aspartic acid with A-HD by BPI. Very potent combo with alot of clinical data.

I'm not going to go into detail about diet, I'll just add eat more carbs. Everyone seems to be addressing the protein and meal frequency, bottom line is carbs increase mass, protein increases density. You should out eat your protein by about 4:1 carb to protein ratio.

The most powerful hormone for growth is not testerone, it's insulin. Control that and you become and anabolic machine. Try using vanadyl sulfate with the increase carb intake.

Hope that helps

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Hmm acid vs. alkaline.

IIRC, your blood has an acidity between 7.25-7.45, and it's subject to change from a variety of influences.. these are
1) Respiratory
2) Urinary
3) Digestive

Hyperventilating in a paperbag increases your pH causing your blood to be mor ebasic. And likewise slow rapid breathing increases the H+ concentration in your blood.

Your kidney excretes H+ ions and K= ions and Na+ and so on and so forth to ensure that you are balanced and optimal. Protect these badboys and never give em away.

And last the digestive system..

Nearly every meat, grain, and refined food is classified under acid, while every fruit/veggie is under alkaline (except for beans)

The idea is that a person with blood more geared to alkaline foods will be FAR LESS susceptible to nearly every disease and will recover faster and be in a state of lesser inflammation. THat's why you see Indians with their vegetarian diets bathing in the bacteria-infested Ganges RIver and not concocting syphilis lol. Or people who eat a primarily vegan diet (Jack Lalanne) living well into their 90s with optimal function. Vegetarians (provided they have adequate carnitine, B12, iron, protein in their diets ) are flat-out healthier.

I wouldn't put too much stress on it, seeing as how a person who eats mostly meats and grains and supplements with a multi is a-okay. There's also tlak going around on how meat takes like 3 days to digest and it rots in your stomach because it needs some very powerful HCL to dissolve the leucines, the tryptophans, glutamates, aspartic acids in the duodenum, but I call bullsh!t. Poeple who are on alkaline diets have reported a higher clarity in thinking which of course translates to better results in the classrom and professional world.

[Celtics4ever]

I used to take Test Boosters because I thought I would get more energy from them and I also needed it to gain muscle. They actually worked better than I expected, but not worth the money I paid. Then I started taking real testosterone and still taking it now. It feels great, more energy, I'm always horny, I feel more aggressive. I burned a lot of fat and gained muscle a lot easier from my workouts. I'm kinda scared my body will stop producing it's own natural testosterone if I take this for too long so I decided to stop and continue it when I'm in my mid to late 30's. That's when I will need it the most.

[Rolando]

Jefferson Money knows.

I'll just mention that I just got into bodybuilding and I'm in my 40's. At my age it really starts to become an issue and I've researched like a mo-fo about all this.

The tried and true testosterone builders are:
1. Heavy Squats
2. Heavy Deadlifts (you can practically feel the rush of adrenaline and testosterone as you do them)
3. Zinc, Magnesium, and Vitamin B (Look for a supplement labelled ZMA)
4. Fish Oil

I probably put on an honest 5 pounds of muscle in 3 months. That may not sound like much but when you are 40 something, it is pretty huge.

By the way, eat a lot.

[CarlosBoozer]

I'm kinda new to this so.. where do they sell HGH? Is a 19 year old allowed to use it?

[$LakerGold]

Pshhh I wish ... I'd test positive for TRT lol Hell nawww! I'm not risking that lol.

[DukeDelonte13]

f*cking with your hormones in the name of vanity :applause: :applause:

Whatever happened to a complete diet and correctly exercising?

[bmulls]

Any HGH/HCG/Testosterone booster you see at GNC or Vitamin Shoppe is 100% bullshit scam and does not work, period.

You can buy some prohormones (designer steroids) legally off the internet and certain supplement stores. I believe GNC/Vitamin Shoppe have pulled all the legit ones though. Look into Superdrol. "M-Stane" is one Superdrol clone that I know to be legit. Understand that, despite being technically legal, PROHORMONES ARE STEROIDS and have all the side effects of Testosterone, Dbol, Deca and other AAS.

Also understand that messing with your hormones can cause permanent damage and you MUST research proper PCT (post cycle therapy) protocols. This isn't the type of thing you want to mess with. Low T, erectile dysfunction, depression, etc. can all happen if you use these substances irresponsibly. Do your homework and know exactly what you are getting yourself into.

Personally, if you are going to mess with your hormones, I would skip the prohormones altogether and just inject real AAS. There are hundreds and thousands of studies on Testosterone usage and once you get past the fear of sticking yourself with a needle it is a million times safer and more effective than sketchy ass prohormones. Use Test only for your first cycle, and then you can look into other drugs if you like it.

[rezznor]

j$, hateraid..what are your opinions on drinking alkaline water...been thinking of getting a machine

[JohnnySic]

There are companies overseas from the US (I wont name them, but they can be found on the internet without a ton of difficulty) that will sell you steroids, HGH, anything.

[NotYetGreat]

I've heard pretty mixed reviews on them, but the general consensus seems to be that they work, at least somewhat. I picked up a really cheap brand (Six Star) after looking at some of the supplements they had at a local drugstore. It wasn't much, and I'm not expecting any miracles, but if I notice anything, I'm gonna research some more and pick up a more respected brand. I'm 5'7", 150, trying to get back up to the 160-163 range after losing most of my gains when I had pneumonia a month ago. Also looking for a little bit of a "pick me up" because I take prescription anxiety medication for insomnia that sort of dulls my senses a little bit. Anyone here use them before? What were the results? Any recommended brands?

I haven't tried using Test Boosters, but frankly, I think it's a waste time and money, time and money that could be spent getting more nutritious, whole foods. Nevertheless, if you're really bent on taking them, give it at the very least 2 weeks. Nothing happens overnight, but 2 weeks is enough time to deduce whether or not something is working in your favor or not. If ever you notice any undesirable shizznit happening early, it's safe to say you got nothing to do but STOP IT.

Here are some simple stuff in order not to feel like your boobs are getting painful.

1) Get more QUALITY sleep. Try sleeping earlier at night and getting up earlier during the day. 10-5 more often than not will do you much better than 1-1.

2) Lift HEAVY, but don't over exhaust yourself. Stick with big, compound lifts. Squats and Deads have been shown to have the greatest impact on testosterone production since they are the movements that create the greatest stress on the body.

3) Get your NUTRITION in, not just your calories. Sure, if you want to grow, you have to eat more than your body exerts, but if all you eat are empty, nutrition less calories, you're not doing your body any good either. Micronutrients (vitamins, minerals, etc) are equally important as macronutrients.

Just another note on nutrition or "diet" here, it defies all the calorie talk, but I really think its possible to gain mass on a caloric deficit. I finally decided to try Intermittent Fasting over my summer and continue to do the same until now, and I think I'll never stop. Since I replaced my breakfast with food for thought and made my dinner my biggest meal, I've gotten noticeably leaner and also more muscular. I started the summer at 158 lbs (not a good look for a 6-footer) and am currently 172 (just weighed myself at the doctor's office today) from changing that eating style (at the same time I started I got off all my whey powders too). I'm in college too, and my classes start early morning. Skipping breakfast gives me more time to prepare and feasting at night gives me the ultimate joy of going to bed satisfied and "armed" for the next day. If ever you wanna try it, I'm just putting it out there. The whole 6 meals a day thing can not only be a nuisance to a busy bee, but also to the digestive system, since its pretty much always being taxed. A tired digestive system will lead to poor nutrient absorption, and with that, well, you know what can happen.

Anyway, sorry for the long post. Just, whatever you do, gauge it and make sure it's not of detriment to your body and mind.

[hateraid]

j$, hateraid..what are your opinions on drinking alkaline water...been thinking of getting a machine

Most tap waters are alkaline. Get a PH checker and see what the PH level is in your water. Otherwise, it's a great investment. My sister in law has a Kangen filter and I take jugs there and fill up. It's an expensive investment, I'd see as a luxury item.

A cheaper way may be to add chlorophyl to your water. Very high on the PH level. Also a great disinfectant for your body

[hateraid]

I'm a little dissappointed towards the negative reaction to natural test boosters. While every likes to say these products "don't work", these same products are being clinically tested world wide for there positive affects on prostate support, hormonal control, and other male defficiencies. These same products that "don't work" are widely used for there MCT and PCT therapy.

I've studied these products on a holistic level, I can honestly say all products work, the ones that don't are because peoples expectations are skued.

[code green]

I've heard and read from just about everybody that recommends squats and dead lifts for maximum testosterone output, but I'm just curious as to why that is. I have pretty terrible form for squats, especially when it gets to heavier weights, and have been told more than once that I could cause myself back problems doing it the way I do, so I've been focusing a little more on leg lifts. Is it the muscles themselves that provide the test boosts? In other words, would the leg press be as beneficial as squats in that regard?

[hateraid]

I've heard and read from just about everybody that recommends squats and dead lifts for maximum testosterone output, but I'm just curious as to why that is. I have pretty terrible form for squats, especially when it gets to heavier weights, and have been told more than once that I could cause myself back problems doing it the way I do, so I've been focusing a little more on leg lifts. Is it the muscles themselves that provide the test boosts? In other words, would the leg press be as beneficial as squats in that regard?

It's an anaerobic compound exercise. Meaning you're working a number of muscle groups simutaneously which requires alot of muscle recruitment. This in turn causes your body to overcompensate testosterone production.

Since squats work the most and largest muscle groups simutaneously in your glutes, core, quads, calves, hammies...this exercise in turn promotes the most test production.
Leg lifts not so much as it is an isolated exercise. Deadlifts to shoulder press I'd recommend more for increasing test.

[NotYetGreat]

I've heard and read from just about everybody that recommends squats and dead lifts for maximum testosterone output, but I'm just curious as to why that is. I have pretty terrible form for squats, especially when it gets to heavier weights, and have been told more than once that I could cause myself back problems doing it the way I do, so I've been focusing a little more on leg lifts. Is it the muscles themselves that provide the test boosts? In other words, would the leg press be as beneficial as squats in that regard?

The greater the stress on the body (ex. Full-body lifts like squats and deadlifts), the greater response by the body in order to build itself back up. T is very much needed in the process.

If you can't squat, then LEARN. If your form on back squats is poor, then don't do them first. Learn to squat properly first with your own BW. Keep your back flat, maintain tension throughout your whole body, PULL yourself down into the hole, rise back up once your hip falls just a little under your knee. If you really want to learn to do it efficiently, I suggest you start off by grabbing a dumbbell and just do Goblet Squats first. It teaches you the proper posture and form needed in pretty much all the major squat variations. Then, move on to heavier variations of the squats. Personally though, I like front squats better. You can't progress in it faster, but it keeps with the tradition of the Goblet Squat and forces you to maintain good posture (good thoracic extension, shoulder packed, proper hip alignment) while letting you do heavier weights. It's a bitch if you don't have a rack though :oldlol: Just don't be disheartened if you can't front squat as much as you can back squat. The position of the bar really makes it THAT much harder to squat.

[Rolando]

Make sure to do the deadlifts. They will actually strengthen your squats because deads really work your back. The two exercises feed off of each other. I alternate between the two: One day is squat day. Next workout is deadlift day.