Rockets fans will never forgive Morey for the Lowry trade..

[millwad]

Book it.
A terrible move by the moron, Morey, as a Rocket fan I'm still pissed for that shit.

I understand that Morey didn't want to pay big money for Dragic since he was a free agent and I would buy this trade if they tried to save up for some hot shot played which they actually tried to but it failed big time which everyone saw coming.

But trading away Lowry for a first round pick was nothing but a worthless move from Morey, Lowry was signed to a great contract from Rockets perspective, really cheap and he's still young. So not only does Morey trade away a young player who's signed to a really cheap contract while he plays way better than he should based on his pay. He then goes out and sign an unproven Jeremy Lin to a more expensive contract..

And screw marketing and everything, that nonsense doesn't give you any wins and no one wants to come to play for Houston just because of Jeremy Lin. Yao who was a legit all-star couldn't get anyone to come, beside T-Mac the team was full of scrubs. Jeremy Lin is certainly not going to bring any new talent to the team..

This crap still doesn't make any sense..

[Xiao Yao You]

Book it.
A terrible move by the moron, Morey, as a Rocket fan I'm still pissed for that shit.

I understand that Morey didn't want to pay big money for Dragic since he was a free agent and I would buy this trade if they tried to save up for some hot shot played which they actually tried to but it failed big time which everyone saw coming.

But trading away Lowry for a first round pick was nothing but a worthless move from Morey, Lowry was signed to a great contract from Rockets perspective, really cheap and he's still young. So not only does Morey trade away a young player who's signed to a really cheap contract while he plays way better than he should based on his pay. He then goes out and sign an unproven Jeremy Lin to a more expensive contract..

And screw marketing and everything, that nonsense doesn't give you any wins and no one wants to come to play for Houston just because of Jeremy Lin. Yao who was a legit all-star couldn't get anyone to come, beside T-Mac the team was full of scrubs. Jeremy Lin is certainly not going to bring any new talent to the team..

This crap still doesn't make any sense..

Lowry wanted out.

[sipitri]

If someone wonders why that trade happened:


Question: When Lowry was traded away and Dragic signed with the Suns you guys went from two starting quality point guards to none. From an outside perspective it looked like fairly inept managing, what was going on internally during this time. Were you confident you could get Jeremy Lin? Were you rolling the dice?

Answer by Morey: First, I would refer to my #2 answer here [You definitely need at least 1 elite player in the top 10-20 of all NBA players (all-star level) to win the championship. There are no counter examples of this. We are not championship contenders right now. All our moves since Yao Ming went down have had the specific goal of acquiring a top level player since that moment. Each change on our team has been designed to acquire players who either have a chance to be an all-star or give us the cap room or trade flexibility to acquire an all-star.] Each move makes sense under this lens. The guaranteed lottery pick we received from Toronto for Lowry is more valuable in acquiring an all-star level player. Dragic wanted a player option (that Phoenix gave him) which greatly harms a players value and will almost always lead us away from #2. A player option essentially guarantees that a team ends up with either a free agent (not valuable) or a player who the league thinks is not valuable and blocks your salary cap flexibility.

We were rolling the dice on getting Jeremy Lin but taking smart risks is what we have to do up and down the roster on every move. As only 1 team out of 30 gets to win, you cannot play it safe. A fund manager who beats more than half his peers and beats the S+P 500 is considered pretty good. We have won more games than we lost the past few years (beaten our peers) despite losing our franchise player Yao Ming and it has been appropriately considered disappointing despite the fact that most teams win around one-third of their games after losing their franchise player. We need to keep taking on more smart risk.


More info here (http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/10mrkx/iam_the_houston_rockets_gm_ama/).

[oamjad13]

Jeremy Lin isn't gonna win you the championship either Morey.

[millwad]

What the hell, Millwad, you are a horrible person and a horrible poster.
You have no basketball knowledge at all, I have forgotten more about basketball then what you'll ever learn.

Go kill yourself, OK, you're nothing but a dirtbag and no, Lowry is not a better player. Lin lead the Knicks to one of their greatest streaks ever and now you're here acting like he can't do the same for the Knicks.

You're easily the least intelligent poster on this site, I bet you didn't even see how Jeremy Lin put up 38 points on the Lakers and I bet you didn't see his amazing streak for the Knicks last year.

You're stupid a f*ck.


Ehm, are you serious?
What the hell is wrong for you?

Edit: And now you deleted your crap, you're such a worthless coward, Michael.

[Eric Cartman]

It wasn't even his dumbest move THIS year. Amnestying Scola was the true epic failure of the offseason.

[gasolina]

I disagree that everybody saw that the rockets weren't getting dwight. Nets fans were actually more concerned about rocket trade talks than any other. Nobody expected the Magic accept that god awful package from the Nuggets.

[Nick Young]

Morey's pretty stupid with that explanation there is still no reason to give up a great cost effective PG who plays elite defense and trade him in for Linsanity the turnover machine with a bigger contract. Why not just keep lowry on his low contract then use other assets to try to get an allstar? The team should have atleast some stability. When is he going to get a PG better than Lowry?

[Legends66NBA7]

Hoping Lowry becomes an all-star in Toronto this year.

[millwad]

Morey's pretty stupid with that explanation there is still no reason to give up a great cost effective PG who plays elite defense and trade him in for Linsanity the turnover machine with a bigger contract. Why not just keep lowry on his low contract then use other assets to try to get an allstar? The team should have atleast some stability. When is he going to get a PG better than Lowry?

Not in a long time.

The sad part is that Houston looked for a good point guard for years while having worthless Alston.

Then they got Aaron Brooks who played good until he got injured and that was when Lowry took the point guard role. Then the Rockets got Dragic and suddenly they had two great point guards.

Hell, I'd even like Goran's 30 million dollar deal for four years which the Suns signed him for over Lin's 25 million dollar deal with the Rockets over 3 years. Dragic is the better of the two, no doubt.

And let me remeber you guys, if the Rockets wouldn't have traded Lowry they'd owe him 5.7 million dollars this year and 6.2 million dollars next year. And again, Lin is not as good as Lowry..

[bagelred]

I disagree that everybody saw that the rockets weren't getting dwight. Nets fans were actually more concerned about rocket trade talks than any other. Nobody expected the Magic accept that god awful package from the Nuggets.

Yeah the package from the Magic is laughably bad.

[outbreak]

I don't understand this situation with Dwight though, Rockets shed some good players and were rumoured to have offered everything for Dwight, but the magic and the rockets now say they never offered everything and the package was far from what was reported. If that's the case Morey made a lot of moves but then didn't have the guys to follow through on a full blown change?
Also Lowry was requesting a trade, he told rockets management it's change the coaching staff or trade him so you can't really blame Morey for not re signing him.
Is that clippersfan post real?

[millwad]

I don't understand this situation with Dwight though, Rockets shed some good players and were rumoured to have offered everything for Dwight, but the magic and the rockets now say they never offered everything and the package was far from what was reported. If that's the case Morey made a lot of moves but then didn't have the guys to follow through on a full blown change?
Also Lowry was requesting a trade, he told rockets management it's change the coaching staff or trade him so you can't really blame Morey for not re signing him.
Is that clippersfan post real?

I don't really read rumours and stuff so I can't claim that I'm sure what Lowry said or didn't say but if I recall correctly he had a disagreement with McHale but his major problem was that the Rockets couldn't have two starting quality point guards.

When they decided to not re-sign Dragic and basically give the team to Lowry to lead, then it would be ok.

[Mr Exlax]

Lowry wanted out.

close thread. there's nothing else.

[G-train]

The major problem was that Lowry refused to play there, so they traded him for a lottery pick.
I don't see the problem.

[StateOfMind12]

Lowry was disgruntled with Kevin Mchale and the Houston organization. I doubt Houston wanted to get rid of him.

[ElPigto]

I'm more pissed about losing Gogi. I don't have anything against JLin and don't mind taking the risk, but I don't see why we just didn't give Gogi that contract. I don't think Lin will be that good, but of course, I really really really hope I am proven wrong.

[G-train]

I'm more pissed about losing Gogi. I don't have anything against JLin and don't mind taking the risk, but I don't see why we just didn't give Gogi that contract. I don't think Lin will be that good, but of course, I really really really hope I am proven wrong.

I think Lin will be every bit as good as Dragic.
I agree with Morey for not giving him that deal with a player option.

[bagelred]

I'm more pissed about losing Gogi. I don't have anything against JLin and don't mind taking the risk, but I don't see why we just didn't give Gogi that contract. I don't think Lin will be that good, but of course, I really really really hope I am proven wrong.

Exactly!!! Can't believe they let Gogi leave.....I really like Gogi as a player. Gogi could have been part of this foundation for a long time. Good call. :cheers:




..........googling Gogi...........

[El Kabong]

I'd rather take a 4th year player option on Dragic, than that 3rd year poison pill with Lin.

[millwad]

I think that Lin is awesome, but not for the Rockets and Morey and the Rockets seem to do the wrong stuff time after time.

I mean, they knew that they were going to have a damn young team and they knew that they needed leadership, why give Lin that task when the guy has played a total of 64 games instead of pretty experienced Lowry or Gogi who both were guys who are hitting their primes.

Anyway, I'll still root for my Rockets no matter what..

[ElPigto]

I'd rather take a 4th year player option on Dragic, than that 3rd year poison pill with Lin.

This is really irrelevant since the cap is spread at 8M a piece for Lin. Only the Knicks would have had suffered the true effects of the poison pill. Now, if the Rockets try to trade him that last year, then it might be a bit difficult since they still have to pay him as they wrote out the contract, which is 15M in the final year.

[Euroleague]

Daryl Morey is an awful general manager. So strange how people think he knows what he's doing.

[millwad]

This is really irrelevant since the cap is spread at 8M a piece for Lin. Only the Knicks would have had suffered the true effects of the poison pill. Now, if the Rockets try to trade him that last year, then it might be a bit difficult since they still have to pay him as they wrote out the contract, which is 15M in the final year.

I don't understand that some people seem happy over that, a lot of things happens during 2 seasons and with some luck the team could turn to be a good one but if the unproven Lin doesn't live up to his expectations that will leave the Rockets in a mess..

[Droid101]

Still bringing up Yao Ming, eh?

That was years ago. Time to move on. Get a star or GTFO.

The Rockets have had tons of assets for a long time now, and were never willing to part with them to score a star. They're too greedy and always overvalue their own players, so they never get anything done.

[Haymaker]

They could've just let Dragic leave and guarantee Lowry the starting job. No need no amnesty Scola.

[Bucket_Nakedz]

just go back to your original colors, and everything will sort itself out.

[RoseCity07]

Houston needs to stay lottery bound at least another year. Why stay in the middle of the pack? Lowry keeps them in the middle. They'll be bad enough that they could add some even better pieces to that squad next year. Good move.

You can't just look at the next day. You have to look years down the road. It's a good strategy.

[macmac]

Houston needs to stay lottery bound at least another year. Why stay in the middle of the pack? Lowry keeps them in the middle. They'll be bad enough that they could add some even better pieces to that squad next year. Good move.

You can't just look at the next day. You have to look years down the road. It's a good strategy.

So you're saying keeping the young point guard on a great contract would keep you middle of the pack, but overpaying way more and longer for another young pg who is pretty much unproven save for a small sample size, will keep you at the bottom of the barrel? Is that the logic you just used?

[RoseCity07]

So you're saying keeping the young point guard on a great contract would keep you middle of the pack, but overpaying way more and longer for another young pg who is pretty much unproven save for a small sample size, will keep you at the bottom of the barrel? Is that the logic you just used?

I don't understand overpaying Lin. They should have traded Lowry for a first rounder. Lin sucks though. Maybe they think it's a great marketing ploy to keep fans interested while they get owned all year.

Rockets are building a nice core though. I like the Lamb pick. Give it another couple years.

[OmniStrife]

Also Morey...

Thanks for these two :lol

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0gGo2KH9gk5ax/490x275.jpg

[Rockets(T-mac)]

I did not like the Lin move either. The Lowry move like mentioned before, was done because Lowry wasn't happy and wanted out (atleast from rumors). But I rather them have kept Dragic then get Lin. We'll see though, he might prove me wrong, but I just don't have a good feeling about Lin this year.

And amnestying scola kind made sense, he's older and talented and didn't really fit with the current future of the team, but I think they should've tried to trade him instead. But this leads to the whole trying to get Dwight and failing story. Not that great of and off-season for the Rockets or Morey.

[niko]

Why are you trying to clown Gobb? That makes no sense.

[fatboy11]

I don't necessarily have a problem with the Lowry trade, but it depends on what the situation really boiled down to. Lowry got pissed at McHale for not giving him his starting job back late in the season after he came back from injury (even though the team was losing with Dragic starting). Now, could all have been forgiven if the Rockets told Lowry he's their guy and let Dragic go in free agency? If that is the case, yeah, dumb move. If the damage done was irreversible, it was a good move because it netted a lottery pick.

The problem as I see it is that the Rockets had two PGs better than Jeremy Lin but decided to go after Lin. I would have liked for them to either (A) keep Lowry, let Dragic walk (or S&T), not go after Lin at all (B) trade Lowry, re-sign Dragic, not go after Lin at all (C) trade Lowry, let Dragic walk (or S&T), not go after Lin at all.

I would have rather, at worst, seen the Rockets completely abandon the PG position for this season (in terms of a long-term solution) than end up with Jeremy Lin. Lin isn't a bad player. He's a lower-end starting PG, IMO. But Lowry and Dragic are both clearly better PGs and are both close to the same age as Lin. And more proven.

[fatboy11]

I did not like the Lin move either. The Lowry move like mentioned before, was done because Lowry wasn't happy and wanted out (atleast from rumors). But I rather them have kept Dragic then get Lin. We'll see though, he might prove me wrong, but I just don't have a good feeling about Lin this year.

And amnestying scola kind made sense, he's older and talented and didn't really fit with the current future of the team, but I think they should've tried to trade him instead. But this leads to the whole trying to get Dwight and failing story. Not that great of and off-season for the Rockets or Morey.

Completely agree with everything you said.

Scola wasn't in the future plans and the team has many young PFs, so losing him is a non-issue. Would have been nice to trade him, though, and get something back.

[niko]

Completely agree with everything you said.

Scola wasn't in the future plans and the team has many young PFs, so losing him is a non-issue. Would have been nice to trade him, though, and get something back.
His salary was so high, would be hard to trade him.

[Levity]

wasnt lowry traded to the raps for the lottery pick that HOU thought they could use to land Howard? If thats the case, then it was a gamble to trade a good player in hopes of bringing a superstar back. No need for a grudge.

[noob cake]

wasnt lowry traded to the raps for the lottery pick that HOU thought they could use to land Howard? If thats the case, then it was a gamble to trade a good player in hopes of bringing a superstar back. No need for a grudge.

Lowry trade was good. He wanted out; Morey got a top 10 pick.

Losing Dragic was bad; should resigned him over bumLin

[millwad]

Why are you trying to clown Gobb? That makes no sense.

I'm a GOBB-fan, he's my favourite poster.

[fatboy11]

His salary was so high, would be hard to trade him.

Which is why I'm okay with him being amnestied.

Just saying you'd always like to get something in return, ideally.

[Darius]

Morey's reasoning is interesting but his whole "apply market principals to the NBA" strategy seems flawed.

[fatboy11]

Sources: Rockets Owner Pushed for Lin (http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/224104/Sources_Rockets_Owner_Pushed_For_Jeremy_Lin_Signin g)

Might need to save some of that venom directed at Morey. Sometimes we forget that GMs have people they have to answer to and please.


Houston Rockets' owner Les Alexander pushed for the franchise to sign Jeremy Lin, according to sources.

....

The basketball people of the Rockets were not as high on Lin as ownership, according to sources.

[bagelred]

Might need to save some of that venom directed at Morey. Sometimes we forget that GMs have people they have to answer to and please.

Jesus?:bowdown:

[Whoah10115]

The problem with the Lowry trade is that they could have gotten more.


They traded Lowry to Toronto, who had the 8th pick this past year. Well, now Toronto has Lowry and Calderon is now the best backup PG in the league. He's also tradeable, with one year left on his contract. Either way, he's valuable.


Valanciunas has arrived. Bargnani is healthy. They may have overpaid a little for Fields, but Fields is a good player and they have Lowry on the best contract in basketball. About $12Million for both. Raptors are not stacked, but they have good players and they have solid depth at every position. Did I mention they had the 8th pick this past season?


So don't be sure that he traded for anything. A future 1st round pick...was the year identified? Regardless, it's unlikely Toronto gets a top 10 pick this year, and it's very stupid to bank on what happens after this year.

[fatboy11]

So don't be sure that he traded for anything. A future 1st round pick...was the year identified? Regardless, it's unlikely Toronto gets a top 10 pick this year, and it's very stupid to bank on what happens after this year.

I'm not sure what the specifics exactly are, and there is some protection on the pick, but I think Houston is pretty much guaranteed Toronto's next lottery pick as long as it isn't a top 3 pick or something like that. And maybe the protection on the pick goes away after a couple of years.

[brantonli]

The pick is protected 1-4, then 15-onwards in 2013, and that protection drops to 1-3, then 1-2 in the subsequent years. So essentially the Rockets get a guaranteed mid to high draft pick. However, unless everybody on the Raptors gets nijured, then it looks like we won't see that pick for quite a few years.

[Whoah10115]

The pick is protected 1-4, then 15-onwards in 2013, and that protection drops to 1-3, then 1-2 in the subsequent years. So essentially the Rockets get a guaranteed mid to high draft pick. However, unless everybody on the Raptors gets nijured, then it looks like we won't see that pick for quite a few years.


1-4 and then 15-on? So what does that mean, you can only get the pick next year if it's between 5-14?

[fatboy11]

1-4 and then 15-on? So what does that mean, you can only get the pick next year if it's between 5-14?

That's what they mean by "guaranteed lottery pick". 15-on isn't in the lottery. The Rockets are assured of a lottery pick from the Raptors at some point.

[spacebump]

Going from having Dragic and Lowry to Lin on a giant contract is kind of hilarious.

[Whoah10115]

That's what they mean by "guaranteed lottery pick". 15-on isn't in the lottery. The Rockets are assured of a lottery pick from the Raptors at some point.



Makes sense, just sounded weird.



That sort of draft pick is not equal to Kyle Lowry...especially not with the contract he has.

[fatboy11]

Going from having Dragic and Lowry to Lin on a giant contract is kind of hilarious.

Not too hilarious for Rocket fans.

[millwad]

I love Daryl Morey, Houston went from being a mediocre and boring non-playoff team to the league's youngest team led by a 23 year old starplayer called the Beard.

Pretty amazing that it didn't even take any tanking to get here either.
I will never question Morey's decisions again!

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/dam/assets/121128134010-daryl-morey-james-harden-single-image-cut.jpg

[Shepseskaf]

I love Daryl Morey, Houston went from being a mediocre and boring non-playoff team to the league's youngest team led by a 23 year old starplayer called the Beard.

Pretty amazing that it didn't even take any tanking to get here either.
I will never question Morey's decisions again!
I think McHale and the coaching staff deserves the majority of the love for the team's success this year. Morey just threw stuff up against the wall to see how it would turn out.

It looked very rocky for a while, but it seems that the gamble has paid off. The turning point, in my view, was the adoption of the up-tempo style of play that created a top-scoring offense from a very young team with no overwhelming talent (with the possible exception of Harden).

[Mr Exlax]

I will never question Morey's decisions again!

It's about damn time. It's about damn time.....in my lebron voice. I had faith in Morey from the start. Only because he was doing all this to try and land Dwight Howard. Once we traded for Harden I was all in. Hopefully we still get Dwight. My two favorite players on the same team. Man it will be awesome!

[Nick Young]

Book it.
A terrible move by the moron, Morey, as a Rocket fan I'm still pissed for that shit.

I understand that Morey didn't want to pay big money for Dragic since he was a free agent and I would buy this trade if they tried to save up for some hot shot played which they actually tried to but it failed big time which everyone saw coming.

But trading away Lowry for a first round pick was nothing but a worthless move from Morey, Lowry was signed to a great contract from Rockets perspective, really cheap and he's still young. So not only does Morey trade away a young player who's signed to a really cheap contract while he plays way better than he should based on his pay. He then goes out and sign an unproven Jeremy Lin to a more expensive contract..

And screw marketing and everything, that nonsense doesn't give you any wins and no one wants to come to play for Houston just because of Jeremy Lin. Yao who was a legit all-star couldn't get anyone to come, beside T-Mac the team was full of scrubs. Jeremy Lin is certainly not going to bring any new talent to the team..

This crap still doesn't make any sense..
:banana: :banana: :banana:

[rmt]

OP needs to let it go. Sometimes, FOs do dumb things - like trading away Scola for peanuts (Jackie Butler's contract). At least, HOU got the benefit of that one. I still wonder if SAS would have won another championship with Scola beside Duncan instead of Bonner and Blair.

[Mr Exlax]

OP needs to let it go. Sometimes, FOs do dumb things - like trading away Scola for peanuts (Jackie Butler's contract). At least, HOU got the benefit of that one. I still wonder if SAS would have won another championship with Scola beside Duncan instead of Bonner and Blair.

We amnestied Scola in hopes of landing Dwight. I was all for it. Scola was good, but what we were still barely a .500 squad with him. He wasn't a franchise changing player. Almost like empty stats in a way.