Lakers sucking pre season means very little

[All Net]

To those worried/annoyed about lakers 0-6 pre season record :oldlol:

[KOBE143]

History repeating itself.. Another 3peat baby :rockon:

[maybeshewill13]

Pfft it's only pre-season, these losses don't mean anything. Don't get ahead of yourselves Laker fans :facepalm















































:yaohappy:

[blacknapalm]

interesting. this was also a team not really trying to break in players.

ya, it's strange to me how some of the ones actually freaking out are laker fans. either that or people who just hate them so they'll take glee in any loss. first game back with dwight...saw some good things.

really hope CD-R makes this roster though. he knows how to score and get to his spots on the floor. we need a guy who can do that because blake doesn't really run the offense well at all. i like goudlock too but i think he's gone. ugh, goudelock over duhon...never liked that idea but whatever.

do people really think LA will go with an all-bench lineup? dwight, gasol or kobe will all rotate and be with those guys at all times. dwight should be able to handle 40 minutes when he gets up to speed.

[All Net]

Was their starters first game together and they looked good but it will take time... Think laker fans are annoyed due to,the fact the starters came in and still lost. The chemistry thing could explain the 21 turnovers though.

[blacknapalm]

Was their starters first game together and they looked good but it will take time... Think laker fans are annoyed due to,the fact the starters came in and still lost. The chemistry thing could explain the 21 turnovers though.

true. i thought spacing was mostly fine but the timing stuff was just off. that makes sense since they're not really familiar w/ each other. i also thought gasol started off aggressive which was great but settled in the second half. took a couple jumpers and passed out of the post when he really had an advantage. i think he has a tendency to overthink but he's at his best when he's aggressive and quickly making a decision (either passing or driving).

[maybeshewill13]

I looked at the box score and was like.. WTF? Starters all played 30 plus minutes, Lakers shot 10% better from the field and still lost to the Kings?! Looks like the Lakers struggled from the line (assuming Dwight lol) and turnovers were large factors?

[Jax]

They're too old and big. Gonna get killed in transition. Can't challenge the skills that they still have, but you definitely gonna suffer in speed and stamina.

[All Net]

I looked at the box score and was like.. WTF? Starters all played 30 plus minutes, Lakers shot 10% better from the field and still lost to the Kings?! Looks like the Lakers struggled from the line (assuming Dwight lol) and turnovers were large factors?

Turnovers were a big issue... At the wrong time too

[HorryIsMyMVP]

They're too old and big. Gonna get killed in transition. Can't challenge the skills that they still have, but you definitely gonna suffer in speed and stamina.
to big? lol. Yeah because that is gonna be such a huge problem in the regular season. Dwight and Pau consuming the paint and blocking shots. :coleman: will really suck making guys like westbrook strictly a jump shooter.

[All Net]

They're too old and big. Gonna get killed in transition. Can't challenge the skills that they still have, but you definitely gonna suffer in speed and stamina.

You can never be too big... Bigs history wise is what wins titles.

[Rolando]

You can never be too big... Bigs history wise is what wins titles.

Seems like the Celt's philosophy this year, "go small and fast", is heading in the opposite direction. I look forward to the first game against LA.

[R.I.P-Chick]

They actually went 3-5.

http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/index.html

[All Net]

They actually went 3-5.

http://www.eskimo.com/~pbender/index.html
You are correct somebody on LG said they went 0-8 then it was mentioned that wasn't the case... Either way the point stands.. Sucking in pre season isn't the end of the world even though as fans you never like to see it happen

[MostHated305]

They're too old and big. Gonna get killed in transition. Can't challenge the skills that they still have, but you definitely gonna suffer in speed and stamina.

And the Heat are packed with runners.

Its gonna be 2'easy for bron and wade in transition.

Chalmers is great running the floor too. I can't wait.

[Laxlen]

one wants to get excited about the Kings BUT

it's pre-season

[arifgokcen]

To those worried/annoyed about lakers 0-6 pre season record :oldlol:
They are gonna be scary good this season.However i still think they have too much ball dominant players.If somehow they manage to put it all together they are gonna be scary.They have one of the best teams of all-time at least on paper.They have 4 HOFers (yes gasol is definitely HOFer).Kobe looked great so far thats another plus.

[pegasus]

I thought it was a good debut for Howard. As long as Nash's ankle is fine, Lakers walked away from this game with gain rather than a loss.

[Clippersfan86]

I'll say it again. Preseason or not the Lakers need time to gel. People seem to think it's going to be a smooth, easy ride to a title and they are sorely mistaken.

[jlitt]

Nash is going to get exposed real quick

1. he is the type of pg that needs to dominate the rock.
2. he is the type of pg that needs those around him to move without the ball
3. He can really kill in pick and roll situations, but dwight is horrible at pick and role, So pau will be the main pick and roll player which freezes dwight and kobe out.

1. kobe wont let nash dominate the rock
2. no one on that team knows how to score without the ball, they are all iso players except dwight who gets put backs
3. nash and pau would be nice but there is no other 3rd option on that pick and role that can stretch the defense.


Individually and on paper this team looks unbeatable. But their playin styles dont gel at all.

[ashlar]

Nash is going to get exposed real quick

1. he is the type of pg that needs to dominate the rock.
2. he is the type of pg that needs those around him to move without the ball
3. He can really kill in pick and roll situations, but dwight is horrible at pick and role, So pau will be the main pick and roll player which freezes dwight and kobe out.

1. kobe wont let nash dominate the rock
2. no one on that team knows how to score without the ball, they are all iso players except dwight who gets put backs
3. nash and pau would be nice but there is no other 3rd option on that pick and role that can stretch the defense.


Individually and on paper this team looks unbeatable. But their playin styles dont gel at all.

Almost everything you said in that post was so far off base but the bolded is stupid beyond belief. Dwight Howard is the #1 PnR player in the NBA. Both advanced stats and the eye test prove it.

[jlitt]

Almost everything you said in that post was so far off base but the bolded is stupid beyond belief. Dwight Howard is the #1 PnR player in the NBA. Both advanced stats and the eye test prove it.
are you kidding? dwight catching the ball 15 feet from the basketball is mike browns worst nightmare.

[midatlantic09]

Steve Nash isn't that good and is now being exposed in the Lakers system.

At the rate he's playing he'll be lucky to average 12 and 8....and to think this guy is a two time MVP lol

[ashlar]

are you kidding? dwight catching the ball 15 feet from the basketball is mike browns worst nightmare.

You are an idiot. Lets cease to have basketball discussion any further.

[G-Funk]

They're too old and big. Gonna get killed in transition. Can't challenge the skills that they still have, but you definitely gonna suffer in speed and stamina.

since when did being too big become a problem???:oldlol: last I checked that was a great thing

[DaSeba5]

It's going to take a while for them to gel. The only thing that matters to the Lakers should be the playoffs.

[AirTupac]

Nash is going to get exposed real quick

1. he is the type of pg that needs to dominate the rock.
2. he is the type of pg that needs those around him to move without the ball
3. He can really kill in pick and roll situations, but dwight is horrible at pick and role, So pau will be the main pick and roll player which freezes dwight and kobe out.

1. kobe wont let nash dominate the rock
2. no one on that team knows how to score without the ball, they are all iso players except dwight who gets put backs
3. nash and pau would be nice but there is no other 3rd option on that pick and role that can stretch the defense.


Individually and on paper this team looks unbeatable. But their playin styles dont gel at all.

Everything about your post is just BAD and wrong. :oldlol:

[FireDavidKahn]

Preseason means nothing. Anyone know seriously takes anything away from preseason doesn't know basketball.

[DirtySanchez]

I am concerned about the bench.
Se like we could use another player who can create shots for themselves.
But them with our big four you can always keep 1 or 2 of them in with the bench. The rotations are going to be very interesting. And dn Dwight already looked real good.

[Levity]

dwight is horrible at pick and role

what an asinine post.

[RRR3]

I am concerned about the bench.
Se like we could use another player who can create shots for themselves.
But them with our big four you can always keep 1 or 2 of them in with the bench. The rotations are going to be very interesting. And dn Dwight already looked real good.
CDR can create his own shot. Too bad Brown won't play him

[Levity]

I think Mike Brown should experiment with Nash and Dwight running with the 2nd unit. If Nash can turn last years PHX squad to an almost play off bound team, he should be able to at least make our bench an NBA caliber one, and then you add Dwight to the mix and you should be good to go.

[IGOTGAME]

I'm a little worried about Nash at pg. Not for the regular season but against certain playoff teams.

[Sarcastic]

Lettuce be reality here, if they were 6-0 the Laker fans would be saying they are unbeatable, and would break 72-10.

[All Net]

Lettuce be reality here, if they were 6-0 the Laker fans would be saying they are unbeatable, and would break 72-10.

Maybe the Kobe trolls would....

[RRR3]

I'm a little worried about Nash at pg. Not for the regular season but against certain playoff teams.
http://dy.snimg.com/story-image/0/53/171549/9481-650-366.jpg

BTW did you join the fantasy league?

[G-Funk]

Nash is going to get exposed real quick

1. he is the type of pg that needs to dominate the rock.
2. he is the type of pg that needs those around him to move without the ball
3. He can really kill in pick and roll situations, but dwight is horrible at pick and role, So pau will be the main pick and roll player which freezes dwight and kobe out.

1. kobe wont let nash dominate the rock
2. no one on that team knows how to score without the ball, they are all iso players except dwight who gets put backs
3. nash and pau would be nice but there is no other 3rd option on that pick and role that can stretch the defense.


Individually and on paper this team looks unbeatable. But their playin styles dont gel at all.

You are stupid beyond believe, If u believe what u said is true. specially about Dwight... I won't be surprised if this gives u a red bar.

[jlitt]

You are stupid beyond believe, If u believe what u said is true. specially about Dwight... I won't be surprised if this gives u a red bar.


Look, dwight coming out to the three point line is not what you want. When you have the most dominant big man you want him in the paint. Obcviously teams that cant defend p n r are going to have their hands full with dwight rolling to the basket and catching lobs all day. but at the end of the day defenses catch up.


Look at karl malone the master of the pnr. He can spot up from 20 feet out knock a jumper down, he can roll to the basket and catch lobs, or he can exploit a mismatch down low and punish an undersized player with his back to the basket.


diversity is the key to scoring, and in those 3 options, dwight can only do 1 of those things and that is catch lobs.

that is why pau is the better p n r option imo.

[Levity]

diversity is the key to scoring, and in those 3 options, dwight can only do 1 of those things and that is catch lobs.


Dwight and Kobe were successfully running pnr's last night, and it just wasnt solely through lobs.

[jlitt]

Dwight and Kobe were successfully running pnr's last night, and it just wasnt solely through lobs.


I actually would rather have dwight andkobe run the pnr than nash. that way if weakside cheats over to dwight then kobe can hit someone in the corner for a 3, and since the ball is in kobe's hands chances are he can be passing to nash who is their only 3 pt shooter.

[BlackVVaves]

Nash is going to get exposed real quick

1. he is the type of pg that needs to dominate the rock.
2. he is the type of pg that needs those around him to move without the ball
3. He can really kill in pick and roll situations, but dwight is horrible at pick and role, So pau will be the main pick and roll player which freezes dwight and kobe out.

1. kobe wont let nash dominate the rock
2. no one on that team knows how to score without the ball, they are all iso players except dwight who gets put backs
3. nash and pau would be nice but there is no other 3rd option on that pick and role that can stretch the defense.


Individually and on paper this team looks unbeatable. But their playin styles dont gel at all.



Pick and Roll
Roll man
Ranking(min. 50 possessions)
1. Dwight Howard
83.8% AFG
78% scores


Another poster on ISH that doesn't actually watch the game of basketball, but makes grand claims as if he does.

Seriously Jeff, can we start giving people IQ tests before they are prompted to create an account? Or at least make sure they are actually watching the right sport?

This idiot :oldlol:

[HEAT111]

I wouldn't listen to what anyone says. I remember when Dwyane went down with the hamstring during the preseason, we still got a couple of wins but we still lost most it. The chemistry won't be a problem for the Lakers. The bench is what you need to concern with.

[jlitt]

Another poster on ISH that doesn't actually watch the game of basketball, but makes grand claims as if he does.

Seriously Jeff, can we start giving people IQ tests before they are prompted to create an account? Or at least make sure they are actually watching the right sport?

This idiot :oldlol:


Lol please tell me you can spot the logical fallacy in the statistics. please.

[BlackVVaves]

Lol please tell me you can spot the logical fallacy in the statistics. please.

Dwight is the best roll man in the league in pick and roll and has been for the last 2-3 seasons. What are you talking about :roll:

The only thing of "logic" from your posts is the usefulness of a roll man's versatility. However, like nearly every other aspect in nearly every sport, when you have a play that is highly effective, you stick with it and that versatility you speak of becomes a luxury, not necessity.

Dwight can't pop out and shoot. So? His proficiency as a roll man completely and utterly eliminates the need for him too, even more particularly when the other big in the Lakers starting line-up can pop out and shoot. If you actually watched the game of basketball, you'd recognize the dynamics of pick and roll with a big with such high efficiency within 8 feet of the hoop. The defense is forced to react; they go from a proactive defense to a reactive defense. They are forced to rotate quickly, forced to collapse their defense, and more importantly forced to foul, which they happily do because, in this case, Dwight is such a poor free throw shooter. However, that adds fouls to individual players who now must curb their aggression on the defensive end of the ball as the game progresses and fouls accumulate. It also means that teams are in the penalty early, meaning other players that are more efficient from the freethrow line will end up getting more opportunities to add points to their team's total, in this case Kobe, Nash, and Pau.

What you are exhibiting is a lack of comprehensive understanding on some of the more intricate nuances of the game. And, also just a void of basic knowledge. To say Howard is horrible at pick and roll when he's been the best at pick and roll for years now, is just simply idiotic.

[ashlar]

Dwight is the best roll man in the league in pick and roll and has been for the last 2-3 seasons. What are you talking about :roll:

The only thing of "logic" from your posts is the usefulness of a roll man's versatility. However, like nearly every other aspect in nearly every sport, when you have a play that is highly effective, you stick with it and that versatility you speak of becomes a luxury, not necessity.

Dwight can't pop out and shoot. So? His proficiency as a roll man completely and utterly eliminates the need for him too, even more particularly when the other big in the Lakers starting line-up can pop out and shoot. If you actually watched the game of basketball, you'd recognize the dynamics of pick and roll with a big with such high efficiency within 8 feet of the hoop. The defense is forced to react; they go from a proactive defense to a reactive defense. They are forced to rotate quickly, forced to collapse their defense, and more importantly forced to foul, which they happily do because, in this case, Dwight is such a poor free throw shooter. However, that adds fouls to individual players who now must curb their aggression on the defensive end of the ball as the game progresses and fouls accumulate. It also means that teams are in the penalty early, meaning other players that are more efficient from the freethrow line will end up getting more opportunities to add points to their team's total, in this case Kobe, Nash, and Pau.

What you are exhibiting is a lack of comprehensive understanding on some of the more intricate nuances of the game. And, also just a void of basic knowledge. To say Howard is horrible at pick and roll when he's been the best at pick and roll for years now, is just simply idiotic.

I didn't think he was worth more than a few sentences but bravo. :oldlol:

[jlitt]

YOU still havent pointed out if you can spot the logical fallacy of that statistic.

Maybe you are the one that lacks basic understanding.

i will give you a hint, it is directly correlated to mark west's field goal percentage. Which was annually amongst the highest in the nba.

[Droid101]

i will give you a hint, it is directly correlated to mark west's field goal percentage. Which was annually amongst the highest in the nba.
You guys are getting trolled. jlitt is a troll. Do not respond!

[jlitt]

im not trolling just pointing out a simple flaw in that statistic provided.

[ashlar]

You guys are getting trolled. jlitt is a troll. Do not respond!

Sadly I don't think he's trolling at all.

[BlackVVaves]

YOU still havent pointed out if you can spot the logical fallacy of that statistic.

Maybe you are the one that lacks basic understanding.

i will give you a hint, it is directly correlated to mark west's field goal percentage. Which was annually amongst the highest in the nba.

You haven't replied to a single piece of content from my post. I provide you both factual evidence and the dynamics behind it's significance, and you rant on about Mark West :roll:

Didn't realize you were a troll, as someone just mentioned. Had I known that I would have never even engaged in any discussion with you.

[jlitt]

fine ill help you out.


mark west's fg percentage was through the roof because all he did was shoot 2 feet from the basket. He was so inept offensively that all he god was garbage points and gimme's.

same with dwight on the pnr. do you really think they kick it out to him 20 feet from the bucket and let him face up? No the only time he scores off the pnr is on dunks and lobs.

[Levity]

Fire Mike Brown! Hire jlitt!!

Lakers woes will be a thought of the past!

[ashlar]

The Lakers couldn't even beat the Kings at home, with all of their top players playing 30+ minutes.

LA is overrated and the bignames of Howard/Nash will only give miniscule improvement to the team. Unless Kobe differs completely to Howard/Pau/Nash and turns into an 18 PPG scorer that picks his spots LA will not be winning anything. OKC is superior.

I hope you choke and die on your own saliva.

[All Net]

I hope you choke and die on your own saliva.

Ignore the troll.

[BlackVVaves]

fine ill help you out.


mark west's fg percentage was through the roof because all he did was shoot 2 feet from the basket. He was so inept offensively that all he god was garbage points and gimme's.

same with dwight on the pnr. do you really think they kick it out to him 20 feet from the bucket and let him face up? No the only time he scores off the pnr is on dunks and lobs.

So? He's highly productive and efficient at that, why the hell does it matter that he can't face up a player 20 feet away from the basket?

All Lebron did on offense last post-season was put his head down and run at the hoop. He was highly inefficient from outside of 15 feet. Did it matter? No, because he was EXTREMELY proficient at what he did do.

Your point is null and void friend.

[RRR3]

So? He's highly productive and efficient at that, why the hell does it matter that he can't face up a player 20 feet away from the basket?

All Lebron did on offense last season was put his head down and run at the hoop. He was highly inefficient from outside of 15 feet. Did it matter? No, because he was EXTREMELY proficient at what he did do.

Your point is null and void friend.
Lebron wasn't inefficient on jumpers during the regular season

[BlackVVaves]

Lebron wasn't inefficient on jumpers during the regular season

Thought I typed post-season. Will edit.

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Fire Mike Brown! Hire jlitt!!

Lakers woes will be a thought of the past!
who is jlitt? i hope the lakers continue to struggle so they think about bringing Phil back.

[insidehoops]

Pfft it's only pre-season, these losses don't mean anything. Don't get ahead of yourselves Laker fans :facepalm

:yaohappy:

Well-played

[Salazaar]

Enough with those lame excuses. Many teams in the league had major overhauls and didn't even land a single star, yet they somehow manage to win games. They had the same chance to build chemistry/do whatever to prepare themselves for the season as the Lakers, which are the only team in the NBA without a W so far. Or is it that the Lakers are just too good to even be trying in the preseason? :lol

[ashlar]

Enough with those lame excuses. Many teams in the league had major overhauls and didn't even land a single star, yet they somehow manage to win games. They had the same chance to build chemistry/do whatever to prepare themselves for the season as the Lakers, which are the only team in the NBA without a W so far. Or is it that the Lakers are just too good to even be trying in the preseason? :lol

How do you think the Lakers will do this year?

[Salazaar]

How do you think the Lakers will do this year?

They will get their sh*t together and at least reach the conference finals, and then it will be a long and hard battle with the thunder and maybe then the heat, and who knows what happens. The reg season won't be all rosy though.

[LA Lakers]

73-9 baby:pimp:

[NoGunzJustSkillz]

Enough with those lame excuses. Many teams in the league had major overhauls and didn't even land a single star, yet they somehow manage to win games. They had the same chance to build chemistry/do whatever to prepare themselves for the season as the Lakers, which are the only team in the NBA without a W so far. Or is it that the Lakers are just too good to even be trying in the preseason? :lol
check out the laker's pre-season records when phil coached them. i hope the trend continues. :cheers:

[Rooster]

check out the laker's pre-season records when phil coached them. i hope the trend continues. :cheers:

Phil never cared about preseason games and neither should I be worried about them. The most important is trying to incorporate the offense to our new players and execute them. You could tell its a work in progress with 21 turnovers . I think preseason are more important for players who are trying to make the team.