3rd Presidential debate: focuses on foreign policy, Monday Oct 22th 9:00 pm EST

[longhornfan1234]

Discuss here. Romney will win this debate by decent margin.

[TheSilentKiller]

Out of all 291 of your posts, have you had a single one that wasn't Mitt Romney ******gging or Obama bashing?

[longhornfan1234]

Out of all 291 of your posts, have you had a single one that wasn't Mitt Romney ******ging or Obama bashing?

I've made threads about gays, hip-hop, and tv shows. You mad, lib? :lol

I can't make a debate thread?

[TheSilentKiller]

I've made threads about gays, hip-hop, and tv shows. You mad, lib? :lol

I can't make a debate thread?
The sad thing is, I am not liberal. I am moderately conservative but people like you are the reason I want Obama to win.

How about making a debate thread and not making your first post a dickriding stance without backing it up?

[nathanjizzle]

Discuss here. Romney will win this debate by decent margin.

are you seriously this delusional about romney's foreign policy? vs's obamas?:roll:

[longhornfan1234]

The sad thing is, I am not liberal. I am moderately conservative but people like you are the reason I want Obama to win.

How about making a debate thread and not making your first post a dickriding stance without backing it up?

Romney is going to expose Obama on Libya issue.

[niko]

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[TheSilentKiller]

Romney is going to expose Obama on Libya issue.
I'm glad you backed up your opinion :rolleyes:

[longhornfan1234]

are you seriously this delusional about romney's foreign policy? vs's obamas?:roll:


:roll: :roll:


Why do people overrate Obama on foreign policy? Our present policies are not great.. Severe Cyber attack from Iran on U.S. Banks and Persian Gulf oil and gas companies. Our Americans get killed unnecessarily because of lack of security. Let's watch Obama run on that record.

[longhornfan1234]

I'm going to watch MSNBC's coverage tonight. I have a little crush on Rachel Maddow.

[Cangri]

Say what you want but Obama's and Romney's "foreign policies" are actually pretty much the same, except Romney seems more interested in getting us into a war with Iran.

[niko]

:roll: :roll:


Why do people overrate Obama on foreign policy? Our present policies is not great.. Severe Cyber attack from Iran on U.S. Banks and Persian Gulf oil and gas companies. Our Americans get killed unnecessarily because of lack of security. Let's watch Obama run on that record.

Romney is going to have to present alternatives though. He seems very hawkish at a time the american public is not. I'm curious how he approaches things. Suggesting action against Iran and Syria, etc. isn't going to be well received.

[Cangri]

Romney is going to have to present alternatives though. He seems very hawkish at a time the american public is not. I'm curious how he approaches things. Suggesting action against Iran and Syria, etc. isn't going to be well received.
He won't say it though, I hope Obama says what Romney wants to do, or at least that's what he insinuated before, but then again he might just flip flop once more and say he wants peace.

[TheMan]

Romney is going to have to present alternatives though. He seems very hawkish at a time the american public is not. I'm curious how he approaches things. Suggesting action against Iran and Syria, etc. isn't going to be well received.
I would not be the least bit surprised if Romney flip flops on his previous hawkish stance, he's flip flopped on almost all his other views and mouthbreathers like longhornfan1234 and the general American public don't seem to give a fvck.

[Droid101]

If there is anyone who hasn't already made up their mind by now, they should probably just kill themselves.

\voted Absentee last week

[SpecialQue]

If there is anyone who hasn't already made up their mind by now, they should probably just kill themselves.

\voted Absentee last week

"Undecided voters" are just attention starved tw@ts who didn't get enough hugs from mommy when they were a child. Seriously, right now, at this point in the election cycle, you've made your mind up already. Stop begging for attention.

[rufuspaul]

If there is anyone who hasn't already made up their mind by now, they should probably just kill themselves.

\voted Absentee last week

This.

It's gonna be hard for Romney to gain the upper hand tonight. A sitting president always has the advantage when it comes to international affairs. Like people have said if Romney criticizes our policies with Syria and Iran he'll come across looking like a war monger. If he criticizes the drone attacks he comes across as soft on terrorists. This is an area where not saying too much and just acting "presidential" will pay off for Obama.

[Droid101]

This.

It's gonna be hard for Romney to gain the upper hand tonight. A sitting president always has the advantage when it comes to international affairs. Like people have said if Romney criticizes our policies with Syria and Iran he'll come across looking like a war monger. If he criticizes the drone attacks he comes across as soft on terrorists. This is an area where not saying too much and just acting "presidential" will pay off for Obama.
I still don't understand those Teabaggers yelling that Obama has no foreign policy experience... like Mitt Romney does? Why, because he lived in France for two years while he was dodging the draft? Okay... if we go to war with France, I'll be sure to call him.

[rufuspaul]

I still don't understand those Teabaggers yelling that Obama has no foreign policy experience... like Mitt Romney does? Why, because he lived in France for two years while he was dodging the draft? Okay... if we go to war with France, I'll be sure to call him.


He knows how to order the duck confit at La Tour D'argent though. That could come in handy.

[irondarts]

If there is anyone who hasn't already made up their mind by now, they should probably just kill themselves.

\voted Absentee last week
This.

/mailed my ballot in today

[Patrick Chewing]

I have a little crush on Rachel Maddow.


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[Droid101]

He knows how to order the duck confit at La Tour D'argent though. That could come in handy.
Sacr

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

Don't care. Don't watch TV. My mind feels clear.

[senelcoolidge]

Just mention Bengazi and Obama is destroyed. That whole deal with giving criminals guns in Mexico was really bad too. Allowing radical muslims to take over Egypt, Libya, and elsewhere..those are big negatives to Obama.

[TheMan]

Just mention Bengazi and Obama is destroyed. That whole deal with giving criminals guns in Mexico was really bad too. Allowing radical muslims to take over Egypt, Libya, and elsewhere..those are big negatives to Obama.
:sleeping

Yeah, let's go start wars in Egypt, Libya and elsewhere! We tried that with the last cowboy president we had, no thanks.
http://www.crazystupidshit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/redneck.jpg

[Droid101]

:sleeping

Yeah, let's go start wars in Egypt, Libya and elsewhere! We tried that we the last cowboy president we had, no thanks.
http://www.crazystupidshit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/redneck.jpg
Start ALL OF THE WARS!
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[millwad]

Although both Romey and Obama are puppets I personally do feel that the world will be a safer place with Obama for 4 more years..

[ManlyStanley69]

Just mention Bengazi and Obama is destroyed. That whole deal with giving criminals guns in Mexico was really bad too. Allowing radical muslims to take over Egypt, Libya, and elsewhere..those are big negatives to Obama.

Like, who cares, bro???? Obama is the President of the UNITED STATES..let these crazy unmanly countries elect who they want to elect to lead THEIR CUNTRIES

[Patrick Chewing]

Although both Romey and Obama are puppets I personally do feel that the world will be a safer place with Obama for 4 more years..


Do you own a TV? Have you seen what's happening all over the place?

[Scoooter]

Hopefully Romney will win and start systematically exterminating Muslims.

[JtotheIzzo]

Out of all 291 of your posts, have you had a single one that wasn't Mitt Romney ******gging or Obama bashing?

wrong, he posts a topic and says 'discuss'

[senelcoolidge]

Like, who cares, bro???? Obama is the President of the UNITED STATES..let these crazy unmanly countries elect who they want to elect to lead THEIR CUNTRIES

I agree about let leaving those places to themselves, but Obama and the corrupt UN wanted these dictators out of there and now you have this problem. Had he just left them alone..those dictators would have stayed in power and you would not have this garbage that is going on right now.

[ManlyStanley69]

I agree about let leaving those places to themselves, but Obama and the corrupt UN wanted these dictators out of there and now you have this problem. Had he just left them alone..those dictators would have stayed in power and you would not have this garbage that is going on right now.

damn, ur right, bro (manshake :cheers: )

[Droid101]

damn, ur right, bro (manshake :cheers: )
Yeah, bro.

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[longhornfan1234]

Chavez, Castro, and Putin endorse Obama.

The latest [dictator] to publicly announce his support for the commander-in-chief

[Cangri]

[QUOTE=longhornfan1234]Chavez, Castro, and Putin endorse Obama.

The latest [dictator] to publicly announce his support for the commander-in-chief

[IcanzIIravor]

Just mention Bengazi and Obama is destroyed. That whole deal with giving criminals guns in Mexico was really bad too. Allowing radical muslims to take over Egypt, Libya, and elsewhere..those are big negatives to Obama.


How is he destroyed due to Bengazi? I think it is a good point for Romney to bring it up, but he has to be careful how he does it since our embassies over there and throughout other Islamic nations receive constant threats. If we upped increase in security at them all it would exhaust the funding quickly and if I recall correctly the funding had already been slashed $300 million dollars for embassy security world wide.

How does Fast and Furious destroy Obama?

Would you have ordered US troops into Egypt to prop up the Egyptian government and risked starting a war since the people and Egyptian military did not support the government?

Radicals aren't in charge of Libya. I think you need to do some more reading. It is a weak government, but I don't anyone could say with a straight face that it is a radical goverment.

[Balla_Status]

are you seriously this delusional about romney's foreign policy? vs's obamas?:roll:

I know right. They're both the same. Let me know when either of these two morons step up and take our people the **** out of the middle east.

[IcanzIIravor]

[QUOTE=longhornfan1234]Chavez, Castro, and Putin endorse Obama.

The latest [dictator] to publicly announce his support for the commander-in-chief

[Balla_Status]

That's good, better to be friends with your enemies than making them hate us more.
Obama is even trying to negotiate with Iran about the nuclear program:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/21/world/iran-said-ready-to-talk-to-us-about-nuclear-program.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Romney on the other hand said that Obama was being too "soft" on Iran and seems like he wants to invade iran before considering all diplomatic alternatives, that alone makes Obama much better than Romney.

Nothing will come out of the negotiations dude.

[Derka]

That's good, better to be friends with your enemies than making them hate us more.
Obama is even trying to negotiate with Iran about the nuclear program:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/21/world/iran-said-ready-to-talk-to-us-about-nuclear-program.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Romney on the other hand said that Obama was being too "soft" on Iran and seems like he wants to invade iran before considering all diplomatic alternatives, that alone makes Obama much better than Romney.

There will never be negotiations directly with Iran.

[longhornfan1234]

Obama is actually doing well.

[Scoooter]

These guys seem a little calmer tonight. So far at least.

[Derka]

Romney is all over the place.

[EnoughSaid]

This is a much calmer, much loose Romney. He is mumbling a little. Reminiscent of Obama in the first debate. Hmmm...

[Scoooter]

Obama calling Romney out on his vagueness and flippity-floppity-ness. Romney going in on Russia again.

[Dictator]

Romney.......

[Jailblazers7]

These things are so awkward to watch as they just death stare each other.

[Derka]

lol, Romney just caught Obama truncating his quotes and called him out on it. Nicely done. I'm with him on Russia.

[IGOTGAME]

Romney needs to watch his mouth, Putin will bitch slap that fool.

[Jailblazers7]

Romney needs to watch his mouth, Putin will bitch slap that fool.

:oldlol:

[Derka]

Sanctions? Isolate their government? I don't think Putin got the memo on that one, Barry.

[Scoooter]

Basically agreeing with one another on Syria. Jesus, that one might actually be in the works.

[IcanzIIravor]

Basically what Romney is saying is he will do the same things the Obama administration is doing with regards to Syria.

[longhornfan1234]

Romney is winning so far.

[SpecialQue]

These two guys are so full of shit it's hilarious.

[SpecialQue]

Romney is winning so far.

Right on cue.

[Derka]

lol, moderate leadership in Syria...

Its like these guys were born yesterday.

[IGOTGAME]

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:applause:

[IcanzIIravor]

Romney is winning so far.

What is he saying that you like and what is Obama saying that you disagree with?

Are you in favor of us arming the rebels in Syria right now or would you prefer the Presidents assess, wait then possibly arm approach? Are you also in agreement with Romney with regards to how he would have handled Libya?

[Dictator]

..........

[JtotheIzzo]

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:applause:

Typical vague Romney nonsense speak.

Barry has Willard over a barrel right now, looking tougher and speaking in detail, Romney speaking in generalities unable to get specific.

This is gonna be like Super Bowl XX when its over.

[Derka]

Good news: haven't heard the words "middle class" spoken yet here. Kinda nice not to hear that.

Also in the news tonight, people vote for peace. And not war. Imagine that!

[SpecialQue]

Yeah, keep going after the economy, Mitt.

[Derka]

Typical vague Romney nonsense speak.

Barry has Willard over a barrel right now, looking tougher and speaking in detail, Romney speaking in generalities unable to get specific.

This is gonna be like Super Bowl XX when its over.

Yeah, Mitt's all over the place here.

[Dictator]

smh

romney :facepalm:

[Derka]

Romney just single-handedly made me change the channel. Back to Office episodes on Netflix I go.

[IcanzIIravor]

Mitt is an idiot. What does he think our speaking up about the green revolution would have done? It would have led to an even harsher crackdown in Iran as Iran knew we weren't prepared to go to war with them or smuggle in weapons nor did the people want us sticking our nose into it.

[senelcoolidge]

Tax China. Tariffs. The UN is corrupted garbage. I think it was meant with good intentions, but it's out of control.

[SpecialQue]

These two are doing a great job at keeping my penls soft.

[DonDadda59]

Romney looks like he pulled a last minute all-nighter. Dude seems grossly unprepared for the topics at hand, he's all over the place. Obama is on cruise control right now.

[Dictator]

romney :facepalm

[JtotheIzzo]

Romney just single-handedly made me change the channel. Back to Office episodes on Netflix I go.

The crybaby face he makes when he is listening to Barry cracks me the f*ck up. Back in debate one he seemed more confident and arrogant, now he looks like a kid who just scraped his knee and is in that 1.5 second pause before pain acknowledgement and the waterworks.

[IcanzIIravor]

Mitt realizes Latin America is not one giant nation, right?

[Loneshot]

I don't know how you guys can watch this. You actually plan to vote for one of these two?

[JtotheIzzo]

Mitt realizes Latin America is not one giant nation, right?

On his first day Mitt is gonna build highways and a massive port in every Latin country so they can ship goods to America and take over China's roll.

The fact that this guy is sniffing the presidency is sad.

[Derka]

I don't know how you guys can watch this. You actually plan to vote for one of these two?

I'm 90% there. It's seriously gonna be Congressional races, three ballot questions and that's it. I can't, in even a little bit of good conscience, vote for either of these guys.

[Dictator]

romney :facepalm

[SpecialQue]

http://dailydish.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451c45669e2017c32ba230e970b-800wi

[Scoooter]

Honestly, two of the three branches of the federal government are relatively healthy. The big issue is the uselessness of Congress, and a lot of that stems from the radical, stubborn entrenchment of the GOP that has accelerated in the last decade.

[IcanzIIravor]

Romney is ridiculous. Unless he eliminates entire departments along with cuts in other department drastically you can't increase the military spending in a massive way without giant amounts of borrowing and tax increases. I think he just has decided as long as I look the part I can say anything and get away with it. Keep in mind he also said he would have the budget balanced at the same time. :lol

[IGOTGAME]

Romney is just getting wild. He just won't answer the simple questions.

All we get is "I ran the Olympics"

[IcanzIIravor]

Funny how Romney doesn't mention all the money he lobbied from Congress to balance the Olympic budget...tax payer money.

[Dictator]

Romney......like wtf

[SpecialQue]

Obama sonnin' this fool.

[IGOTGAME]

oh shite, Obezzy killin em! :banana:

[Scoooter]

It sounded like Obama actually got a few chuckles out of the audience with the "horses and bayonets" line. It's called technology, Mitt.

[IcanzIIravor]

LMAO get him Obama with regards to the Navy. Of course there are fewer ships in a more advanced world that can do a better job.

[Dictator]

damnnnnn

[DonDadda59]

Obama sonnin' this fool.

Good lord this is humiliating for Romney, I almost feel bad for him :oldlol:

[Rake2204]

Glad they finally addressed the dramatic reduction in horses and bayonets.

[Jailblazers7]

Have any of the debates asked the candidates their opinion on immigration?

[Godzuki]

the more i focus on obama the more i notice how much his ears stick out

[DonDadda59]

Have any of the debates asked the candidates their opinion on immigration?

Yup. Romney advocates 'self-deportation', whatever the hell that means...

[IcanzIIravor]

Have any of the debates asked the candidates their opinion on immigration?

The last debate I think touched on it.

[IcanzIIravor]

Yup. Romney advocates 'self-deportation', whatever the hell that means...

I thought of mentioning that, but didn't want the guy to do a double take and think we are clowning him for his question. :lol

[daily]

WaPo fact check: Obama's military spending factoid "falls short" www.washingtonpost.com #RTFacts #CNNDebate
by joshlevscnn via twitter 6:46 PM

[IGOTGAME]

"Isreal, We got your back" - Roms

Really...this guy is the best articulation you Roms.

[SpecialQue]

I thought of mentioning that, but didn't want the guy to do a double take and think we are clowning him for his question. :lol

:roll:

[IcanzIIravor]

Is Romney serious? He would go to the world court to indict Iran's President for his genocide comments? Did I hear that correctly?

[Dictator]

Is Romney serious? He would go to the world court to indict Iran's President for his genocide comments? Did I hear that correctly?

Romney

[SpecialQue]

Mitt keeps giving Obama bedroom eyes. STOP THAT. It's fvcking creepy.

[DonDadda59]

Is Romney serious? He would go to the world court to indict Iran's President for his genocide comments? Did I hear that correctly?

I swear Mitt looks and is acting like someone who waited until the last minute to study for a test and pulled an all-nighter to try to cram. The guy is all over the place and most of it is nonsense. It was expected that foreign policy would be his weakest point, but this has been a disaster for him.

[longhornfan1234]

Can my boy Romney quit with " apology tour" bs?

[Scoooter]

Mitt keeps giving Obama bedroom eyes. STOP THAT. It's fvcking creepy.
I like it. I'm going to write some erotic fiction about it.

[Dictator]

damn.

[KevinNYC]

What's up with Romney's eyes, they always look kind of wet?

Is that a side effect of some medication.

[Scoooter]

What's up with Romney's eyes, they always look kind of wet?

Is that a side effect of some medication.
He probably takes eye drops. These guys don't sleep much.

[IcanzIIravor]

Can my boy Romney quit with " apology tour" bs?

Starting to look like your boy didn't get in good debate prep. What's your thoughts on him wanting to use the world court to indict Iran's President for his 'I want to wipe out Israel' comments under genocide laws?

[SpecialQue]

Can my boy Romney quit with " apology tour" bs?

It works. A lot of people like it because it fits with the idea of Obama and Democrats in general apologizing for America. It's lame, but I see why he still uses it.

[nathanjizzle]

"we checked the website, and it still doesnt work"

[JtotheIzzo]

It works. A lot of people like it because it fits with the idea of Obama and Democrats in general apologizing for America. It's lame, but I see why he still uses it.

they need to keep feeding the boogeyman America hating lefty.

[Rasheed1]

Obama went in on Romney after his apology tour answer.... I stopped watching because it got that brutal...


ouch...

[Dictator]

Romney :facepalm"

[SpecialQue]

Romney needs to wipe that upper lip of his. Looks moist as hell, like he's about to do a Got Milk? ad.

[daily]

Yup. Romney advocates 'self-deportation', whatever the hell that means...It goes back to a bill in the mid 90's where illegals would be denied certain government supplied services like free hospital care, automatic citizenship based on a child being born here when the parents only came into the country the night the mother went into labor, unemployment and other things like that, Basically the term comes from making the country less attractive to those willing to break the law to get into the country. It's not a Romney term it's one that's been around for a while now

[Dictator]

romney getting called out. :lol

[SpecialQue]

20,000 more "folks" in Iraq? Like old men with walkers and shit?

[Kblaze8855]

Obama bringing out the Bin Laden card.....

[IcanzIIravor]

It goes back to a bill in the mid 90's where illegals would be denied certain government supplied services like free hospital care, automatic citizenship based on a child being born here when the parents only came into the country the night the mother went into labor, unemployment and other things like that, Basically the term comes from making the country less attractive to those willing to break the law to get into the country. It's not a Romney term it's one that's been around for a while now

It is still ridiculous though. People who went through hell to get here and who are willing to take jobs at lower pay, because even the lower pay is worlds above what they would get in their native country, aren't going to leave voluntarily on their own.

[Dictator]

:facepalm

[knickballer]

Obama bringing out the Bin Laden card.....


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[ALBballer]

Just started watching........

random note, would love tosee Ron Paul on a debate concerning foreign policy. His answers for everything would be we should GTFO and not do anything unless attacked. Debate would last 10 mins.

:oldlol:

[Rose]

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[Batz]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcbpkiuBBv1qzpwi0o1_500.jpg
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[IcanzIIravor]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcbpkiuBBv1qzpwi0o1_500.jpg

:lol

[Rose]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcbp0nYYny1qzpwi0o1_500.jpg

[Batz]

Holy shit Obama said Pakistan correctly. O.O

[JtotheIzzo]

20,000 more "folks" in Iraq? Like old men with walkers and shit?

these guys love the folk shit. gotta dumb it down to appeal to the simple set.

[Dictator]

"Obama Bin Laden"

:lol

[Rose]

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I'm glad someone pointed this out. I wasn't sure I heard this right since I was watching MNF.:lol

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:roll:

[General]

Romney had a good moment when he brought up the Apology Tour mentioning Obama skipped Israel.

I'm pretty sure most people are watching MNF and Giants-Cardinals game 7. Easily the least interesting debate.

[KevinNYC]

I tuned in late, looks like Scheiffer is doing a good job.

Also as to Iran, the phrase "wipe off the map" does not exist in Farsi. It's a bad translation into English. What he said was closer to when "the Zionist regime is no more."

[Batz]

Obama's Bin Laden? Zinger.

[Jakeh008]

"Obama Bin Laden"

:lol


:hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[IcanzIIravor]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcbodbuGK91qzpwi0o1_500.jpg
I'm glad someone pointed this out. I wasn't sure I heard this right since I was watching MNF.:lol

I had glossed over it too because I figured there is no way he just said that when a large part of tonights debate would be about Syria and Iran. :facepalm

[SpecialQue]

Obama's Bin Laden? Zinger.

:lebronamazed:

[Rose]

I had glossed over it too because I figured there is no way he just said that when a large part of tonights debate would be about Syria and Iran. :facepalm
I was like did he mean Iraq? Why the **** did he say Iraq? Then I was like I guess he's dumb.:oldlol:

[Batz]

He said Pakistan correctly again. I'm jizzing I tell ya.

[Godzuki]

Romney had a good moment when he brought up the Apology Tour mentioning Obama skipped Israel.

I'm pretty sure most people are watching MNF and Giants-Cardinals game 7. Easily the least interesting debate.


:wtf:

this is easily the best debate IMO. topics are all amazing and the moderator is doing a great job where its flowing without talking over each other.

[Dictator]

:hammerhead: :hammerhead:


Obama's :banana:

[SpecialQue]

It's China time!!!!

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[Real Men Wear Green]

Possibly because he is currently agreeing with so many Obama positions Romney has been far less aggressive than in debates past. That might be a mistake but he may have decided not to engage in a fight in an area that's not one of his strengths (foreign policy).

[SpecialQue]

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[Dictator]

Romney sweaty.

[SpecialQue]

Romney's still all like "FVCK CHINA."

[Real Men Wear Green]

Romney sweaty.
I don't think he's doing badly, there have been no killer lines or megagaffes. He just hasn't been impressive.

[BrickingStar]

Who's winning this so far?

[nathanjizzle]

romney has a point about trade with china....were getting financially ****ed by them.

[General]

:wtf:

this is easily the best debate IMO. topics are all amazing and the moderator is doing a great job where its flowing without talking over each other.
This election will be about the economy. I'm watching because I'm interested but the majority of Americans aren't.

[Rose]

He said Pakistan correctly again. I'm jizzing I tell ya.
He always has.:confusedshrug:

[Dictator]

I don't think he's doing badly, there have been no killer lines or megagaffes. He just hasn't been impressive.


I meant that literally.

[Batz]

He always has.:confusedshrug:
I'd go gay for Obama. It's official.

[IcanzIIravor]

Who's winning this so far?

Obama. Not because he shows a much sharper grasp on foreign policy (It's his biggest strength and Romney's biggest weakness) but because Romney has agreed with him a lot and because Romney seems a bit off and out of touch. This debate won't hurt Romney as it is still about the economy. This debate just goes further towards Obama trying to stem the Romney surge taking place and winning back some of those voters waffling.

[niko]

romney has a point about trade with china....were getting financially ****ed by them.

We're not dealing from a position of strength, Romney seems to want to engage in a trade war with China, with the shitty way the economy is that would not work out well.

[General]

Obama interrupting:oldlol:

[Rose]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcbqsz6kMq1qzpwi0o1_500.jpg
:lol

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcbqchdoee1qzpwi0o1_500.png

[IcanzIIravor]

We're not dealing from a position of strength, Romney seems to want to engage in a trade war with China, with the shitty way the economy is that would not work out well.

Yeh, I think he needs to be careful. When called out on it, he dismissed the possibility of a trade war, so obvious he is taking a page out of the Rumsfield play book during the run up to the Iraq war. Only going from a best point of view happening and not looking at what would happen should a trade war start from what he wants to do.

[Godzuki]

romney has a point about trade with china....were getting financially ****ed by them.


i liked the example he made if China got pissed at us of how much they rely on us for their economy, and us not so much them. i would've liked to hear Obama's reply to that.

[Dictator]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcbqsz6kMq1qzpwi0o1_500.jpg
:lol

:lol

[irondarts]

Turned this off a while ago. Obama was sonning him. I'd much rather flip between MNF and the NLCS tbh.

[daily]

Obama shouldn't talk about TV commercials seeing how he's spent a hell of a lot more on them than Romney has

[niko]

i liked the example he made if China got pissed at us of how much they rely on us for their economy, and us not so much them. i would've liked to hear Obama's reply to that.

That's unfortunately just not true.

[KevinNYC]

I agree with this


Jeffrey Goldberg
‏@JeffreyGoldberg
The greatest threat to the world is not a nuclear Iran. It is an imploding, loose-nuke Pakistan.

[Nanners]

new favorite romney quote of all time

"i love teachers... really, i love teachers and i also want to support the private sector."

[IcanzIIravor]

Obama shouldn't talk about TV commercials seeing how he's spent a hell of a lot more on them than Romney has

His point had included his side so I'm not sure which direction you're going with that comment. Combining what Romney spent during the primary I wouldn't be surprised if the amounts spent are almost equal between the two campaigns. People are probably reaching fatigue level.

[irondarts]

new favorite romney quote of all time

"i love teachers... really, i love teachers and i also want to support the private sector."
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[IcanzIIravor]

If Ol Bob is around come 2016 they should let him be the moderator for all three or so Presidential debates.

[Rasheed1]

Romney just called America "the hope of the earth" :oldlol: ..

[Rose]

If Ol Bob is around come 2016 they should let him be the moderator for all three or so Presidential debates.
QFT.

I wish they did more debates. I think they should do 3-4 on each major issue of the time. right now: health care, foreign relations, domestic, education, economy. something like that instead of covering half of those in one night. Then they should do a minor one or two.

[daily]

Possibly because he is currently agreeing with so many Obama positions Romney has been far less aggressive than in debates past. That might be a mistake but he may have decided not to engage in a fight in an area that's not one of his strengths (foreign policy).So much of our foreign policy is written in stone from decades of dealings unless the moderator asks some real hot topic question it's hard for either side to stand out

[KevinNYC]

Obama shouldn't talk about TV commercials seeing how he's spent a hell of a lot more on them than Romney has

That's because Romney has more 3rd party money (http://www.freep.com/article/20121018/NEWS15/121018039/romney-ad-spending-advantage-does-not-tell-whole-story)to more than make up the difference.


Independent groups working to elect Republican Mitt Romney have helped him match or even exceed President Barack Obama's TV ad spending in dozens of media markets in battleground states.....

An Associated Press analysis of presidential campaign advertising data from April through last week found that pro-Romney spending has exceeded pro-Obama ad spending by at least $65 million across the nine states expected to decide the election: Colorado, Florida, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Virginia, Iowa and Wisconsin.

[IcanzIIravor]

Romney just called America "the hope of the earth" :oldlol: ..


Mitt's favorite movie

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/53/Team_america_poster_300px.jpg/215px-Team_america_poster_300px.jpg

[D-Rose]

"The President came to attack, The Governor came to agree"

[KevinNYC]

Mitt's favorite movie

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/53/Team_america_poster_300px.jpg/215px-Team_america_poster_300px.jpg


That would raise my opinion of him if it were true.

[KevinNYC]

How did Romney end up talking about food stamps and unemployment in the foreign policy debate?

[niko]

How Romney end up talking about food stamps and unemployment in the foreign policy debate.
He said avoiding sex before marriage would prevent he spread of Ak-47's. I'm thinking he can tie any two things together.

[daily]

One question I would have liked to see asked is about the European financial problems we've been watching for a couple years now. Maybe one of those things they bargained off the moderators list

[KevinNYC]

He said avoiding sex before marriage would prevent he spread of Ak-47's. I'm thinking he can tie any two things together.

Yeah. I guess you're right.

I'm a few minutes behind on my DVR. Romney just say he's optimistic about the future. Does anyone believe that? I'm serious about that. Does anyone think Romney's campaign to this point can be characterized by optimism?

[IcanzIIravor]

One question I would have liked to see asked is about the European financial problems we've been watching for a couple years now. Maybe one of those things they bargained off the moderators list

I think that would have been a good question to ask too and I think it is tied to our NATO allies ability to stay in Afghanistan as well as their responsibilities with regards to other military actions along side US forces.

[IcanzIIravor]

Yeah. I guess you're right.

I'm a few minutes behind on my DVR. Romney just say he's optimistic about the future. Does anyone believe that? I'm serious about that. Does anyone think Romney's campaign to this point can be characterized by optimism?

It's optimism if he is President. Doom and gloom if he isn't. Basically same thing Obama is saying.

[Scoooter]

Yeah. I guess you're right.

I'm a few minutes behind on my DVR. Romney just say he's optimistic about the future. Does anyone believe that? I'm serious about that. Does anyone think Romney's campaign to this point can be characterized by optimism?
Of course he's optimistic. Hes about to legislate himself a big tax break.

[KevinNYC]

One question I would have liked to see asked is about the European financial problems we've been watching for a couple years now. Maybe one of those things they bargained off the moderators list

The debates have left a lot of issues uncovered. You would think Libya is the most important country in the world.

Chris Matthews just mentioned the Europe financial crisis and the Mexican drug war as the the two biggest unasked questions.

[KevinNYC]

So I missed the beginning of the debate. Which of his previous positions did Mitt abandon? I heard Afghanistan was one of them

[daily]

I think that would have been a good question to ask too and I think it is tied to our NATO allies ability to stay in Afghanistan as well as their responsibilities with regards to other military actions along side US forces.
yep oh well. So much of these debates are bargained off the table for whatever reasons. Reading online a questioned missed and one I hadn't thought of is the Mexican violence due to the drug cartels.. that would or could have gotten fiesty and it's very close to home for a lot of Americans

[KevinNYC]

McCain advisor feels Mitt went too cautious


John Weaver
‏@JWGOP
President wins debate, as MR goes the cautious route. Wonder if now is the time to do so? Or would it be better to keep foot on the pedal?

EDIT:
He's got a lot of other good tweets tonight.
John Weaver ‏@JWGOP
I suspect POTUS has a more robust debate with Joe Biden.

Foreign policy, national security used to be GOP strong suit. Ike, Nixon, Reagan, Bush 41. Alas, no more.

When was the last time going into the "prevent defense" worked in a big football game? MR did it without a lead.

Its one thing to reverse on domestic issues,but on national security to be so loose with your positions is quite breathtaking actually.

Romney wanted to look presidential. Agreeing with the President seems like an odd way to do that.

[KevinNYC]

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/260574120717217792
CBS News ‏@CBSNews
BREAKING: CBS NEWS INSTANT POLL Who won the Debate? OBAMA: 53%; ROMNEY: 23%, TIE: 24% (Margin of Error: 4%; Sample Size: 521)


Also First winter storm brings 2 feet of snow to Calif! dafuq?

[Dictator]

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/260574120717217792
CBS News ?@CBSNews
BREAKING: CBS NEWS INSTANT POLL Who won the Debate? OBAMA: 53%; ROMNEY: 23%, TIE: 24% (Margin of Error: 4%; Sample Size: 521)


Also First winter storm brings 2 feet of snow to Calif! dafuq?


Odama Obama

[daily]

Also First winter storm brings 2 feet of snow to Calif! dafuq?

Yeah my parents live up that way, Western Sierra's getting clobbered, even had a couple Tornadoes or Tornado warnings. Talked to my dad and he's grumpy because he didn't get some of his stuff like the boat winterized yet

[Godzuki]

i agree with the analysts that Romney was more center of right agreeing with Obama on a lot of stuff which made him seem less scary to me. all in all Obama won since Romney was too passive, and Obama got a few more points questioning Romney's ability to do the stuff he's saying he will.

its also unbelievable how CNN goes to a Republican senator to fact check if Romney did or didn't endorse bankruptcy for the auto makers. i still can't figure out if he was spinning or not :facepalm

[KevinNYC]

i agree with the analysts that Romney was more center of right agreeing with Obama on a lot of stuff which made him seem less scary to me. all in all Obama won since Romney was too passive, and Obama got a few more points questioning Romney's ability to do the stuff he's saying he will.

its also unbelievable how CNN goes to a Republican senator to fact check if Romney did or didn't endorse bankruptcy for the auto makers. i still can't figure out if he was spinning or not :facepalm

Romney did endorse a bankruptcy for the automakers. The issue was he didn't want government intervention in the bankruptcy. The problem was given the shape of the credit markets and the banks, they wouldn't have survived.

You may know that already.

[bagelred]

i agree with the analysts that Romney was more center of right agreeing with Obama on a lot of stuff which made him seem less scary to me. all in all Obama won since Romney was too passive, and Obama got a few more points questioning Romney's ability to do the stuff he's saying he will.

its also unbelievable how CNN goes to a Republican senator to fact check if Romney did or didn't endorse bankruptcy for the auto makers. i still can't figure out if he was spinning or not :facepalm

https://www.vdare.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fullsize/images/James_Fulford/CraigScreenNYT.jpg

[nathanjizzle]

did anyone catch after the debate, romney was holding his grandson, and obama was there and the grandson leaned over to obama because he wanted obama to hold him. :lol

[IcanzIIravor]

did anyone catch after the debate, romney was holding his grandson, and obama was there and the grandson leaned over to obama because he wanted obama to hold him. :lol

I didn't see that. Will have to see a replay of that.

[KevinNYC]

https://www.vdare.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fullsize/images/James_Fulford/CraigScreenNYT.jpg

Headlines are not chosen by the writers of the OP-EDs, but by the editors.

However, Mitt Romney totally embraced the headline in a TV interview the next day.

[christian1923]

I think it's time an NfL starting QB ran for president. We need real leaders, not these clowns

[daily]

You give him a cowboy hat, sunglasses and stick a cigarette holder in his mouth James Carville looks like Hunter S Thompson

[Vragrant]

did anyone catch after the debate, romney was holding his grandson, and obama was there and the grandson leaned over to obama because he wanted obama to hold him. :lol

Yeah that was funny, you see the kid smiling at Obama and leaning forward like,"I wanna go to my grandaddys' daddy".

[KevinNYC]

John Kerry is on MSNBC. He played Romney in the Obama debate prep. He says his head his spinning watching Romney change his positions particularly on Afghanistan which is a reversal of Romney's policy from just a couple of weeks ago. There's no way to play Mitt Romney accurately because he'll just change his position.

[KevinNYC]

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcbodbuGK91qzpwi0o1_500.jpg


The Democratic National Committee should make a much better image of that and send it out.

The Washington Post Fact Checker weighs in

[QUOTE]Mitt Romney repeated his contention that Syria is Iran

[daily]

I think it's time an NfL starting QB ran for president. We need real leaders, not these clowns Jack Kemp did twice, lost but he tried

[General]

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/260574120717217792
CBS News ‏@CBSNews
BREAKING: CBS NEWS INSTANT POLL Who won the Debate? OBAMA: 53%; ROMNEY: 23%, TIE: 24% (Margin of Error: 4%; Sample Size: 521)
What debate were these people watching:oldlol: If Obama did "win", it was a narrow victory. This election is going to be about the economy. Romney avoided looking like a hawk on foreign policy. It was a win for him.

[miller-time]

obama schooling mitt on the military

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCGcNNAumUg

[Patrick Chewing]

What debate were these people watching:oldlol: If Obama did "win", it was a narrow victory. This election is going to be about the economy. Romney avoided looking like a hawk on foreign policy. It was a win for him.


Still baffled as to why Romney doesn't pounce on Obama on the Libya issue. I guess he feels it would be too ugly of a debate between the both of them on that issue, and better to leave it to the national media which has done a good job covering it.


I agree, this election is on the economy, and it's evident that the American people care more about this than what's going on in the Middle East. The Middle East is in a state of disrepair and neither Obama or Romney can fix it in one term or even two terms in office. Don't think either one of them want to fix it either. When Arab countries began to battle each other as it has started happening already, then the Middle East will fix itself.

Venezuela and Cuba are two countries that should have been talked about more.

[KevinNYC]

What debate were these people watching:oldlol:

Undecided voters which means that no Romney voters were there to give him a floor of about 40%.


Romney avoided looking like a hawk on foreign policy. It was a win for him.

Meaning he reversed all his political positions.

Also pay no attention to all that screaming behind that curtain, I assure you there are no neoconservatives behind it. I didn't hire Dan Senor and he isn't hiding in the closet. John Bolton is not chained in the basement and that is not his keening wail you hear.

[KevinNYC]

Still baffled as to why Romney doesn't pounce on Obama on the Libya issue. I think it's because it would just remind voters that he stepped in it last time.
Venezuela and Cuba are two countries that should have been talked about more.
Why? Neither of them are that important.

[Patrick Chewing]

Why? Neither of them are that important.

I beg to differ. Showing empathy for embattled countries in the grips of oppressive regimes works wonders in the polls. And of course it works when there is a large Latino demographic here to win as well, the largest minority population in the country. Talking about Iran and Libya don't hit home as much unless you're a hawk for stabilization in the Middle East which is becoming more and more unreachable

I think Latin America was mentioned once during these debates and that was tonight.

[brandonislegend]

I missed the whole debate I was at a basketball game.

Who won tonight?

[bladefd]

I thought the debate was very close. I couldn't come up with a clear winner though. The first two, I thought it was pretty clear who won those two but this one I thought there was no clear winner. I guess if I HAD to choose between the two, I felt Obama had a slightly better debate by very small margin.

I was amused watching NBC and FoxNews. Both made it seem as if their candidate CLEARLY won this debate by quite a margin. Hilarious to see how far apart they both are. CNN showed that Obama won 48% to Romney 40% according to their polls. I honestly thought it was even closer than THAT - maybe imho 49% Obama, 46% Romney w/ 5% error margin.

[InspiredLebowski]

I missed the whole debate I was at a basketball game.

Who won tonight?Obama, but by a pretty small margin. I also voted for him in 08 so I'm biased, but at least cognizant of it.

I could see the argument that Romney won simply because he was able to force Obama into so much economic discussion (like a third of the debate if not more) in a foreign policy debate.

Obama did get his share of zingers, and we know how those soundbytes sell.

[brandonislegend]

obama schooling mitt on the military

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCGcNNAumUg

:roll:

[IcanzIIravor]

I beg to differ. Showing empathy for embattled countries in the grips of oppressive regimes works wonders in the polls. And of course it works when there is a large Latino demographic here to win as well, the largest minority population in the country. Talking about Iran and Libya don't hit home as much unless you're a hawk for stabilization in the Middle East which is becoming more and more unreachable

I think Latin America was mentioned once during these debates and that was tonight.

How do you figure Venezuela is an embattled country? Cuba at this point in time is not a major issue, so why would it be brought up with regards to the top foreign policy issues. I think the violent struggle between the various drug cartels in Mexico trumps the two issues you site.

[KevinNYC]

I beg to differ. Showing empathy for embattled countries in the grips of oppressive regimes works wonders in the polls. And of course it works when there is a large Latino demographic here to win as well, the largest minority population in the country. Talking about Iran and Libya don't hit home as much unless you're a hawk for stabilization in the Middle East which is becoming more and more unreachable

I think Latin America was mentioned once during these debates and that was tonight.
Working wonders in the polls is for campaigning. It's not the function of a debate and no debate moderator should go into it wondering how candidates can pander. How big a difference between the two candidates would you have expected in their answers? Also again Latin America does not equal Venezuela and Cuba. Outside of Florida, most Latinos don't think Cuba is that big an issue. That's why there is a huge divide in how Cubans vote and how the rest of the Latino population votes. Also say what you will about Chavez the guy was elected and reelected. And as screwed as that country is now, it was pretty screwed up prior to him as well.

[KevinNYC]

How do you figure Venezuela is an embattled country? Cuba at this point in time is not a major issue, so why would it be brought up with regards to the top foreign policy issues. I think the violent struggle between the various drug cartels in Mexico trumps the two issues you site.

I agree and it would be a more interesting question as well because I haven't really heard any politician address this is a realistic way.

[kentatm]

I thought the debate was very close. I couldn't come up with a clear winner though. The first two, I thought it was pretty clear who won those two but this one I thought there was no clear winner. I guess if I HAD to choose between the two, I felt Obama had a slightly better debate by very small margin.

I was amused watching NBC and FoxNews. Both made it seem as if their candidate CLEARLY won this debate by quite a margin. Hilarious to see how far apart they both are. CNN showed that Obama won 48% to Romney 40% according to their polls. I honestly thought it was even closer than THAT - maybe imho 49% Obama, 46% Romney w/ 5% error margin.

?

are you conducting your own polls to determine who won the debate in the minds of most Americans?

[Patrick Chewing]

I think the violent struggle between the various drug cartels in Mexico trumps the two issues you site.


Ha! Anyone Republican or Democrat will tell you that the Drug War, which seems to be Mexico's biggest problem is an issue no President wants to tackle. The War on Drugs has been a joke and there is no fixing that problem....ever. As long as Mexico is an ally an a successful trade partner, the cartels will continue to ruin shit in that country for years to come. It is going to take something major to happen before we focus enough attention down there, and it's a shame really. Fast and Furious is not enough apparently.

[KevinNYC]

"far fewer"

just saying

[KevinNYC]

The Onion

Obama Takes Out Romney With Mid-Debate Drone Attack

Weeping Obama Breaks Down, Admits Bin Laden Still Alive And Out There Somewhere

The Onion Endorses John Edwards For President

[RoseCity07]

Saw a quick clip on CNN's front page. Obama bent Romney over and spanked him. He told him how defense works today. He said "we also have fewer bayonets" :roll: :roll:

Romney is such a joke. I honestly think you have to be either ignorant or rich to vote for that guy. He got exposed again tonight. This "race" is over.:applause:

[RoseCity07]

obama schooling mitt on the military

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCGcNNAumUg

:roll: :roll:

After Obama wins we will all look back and wonder how in the hell Romney ever got to this far.

[bladefd]

?

are you conducting your own polls to determine who won the debate in the minds of most Americans?

What you mean? I just checked out the two somewhat extreme views from both sides of political spectrum, and my own opinion was it was fairly close. I did not think Obama won this by a wide margin like NBC does, and I did not think Romney won this like FoxNews says. I usually check out to see what the two extreme sides think more for amusement than anything, it's pretty interesting. :confusedshrug:

[bmulls]

Saw a quick clip on CNN's front page. Obama bent Romney over and spanked him. He told him how defense works today. He said "we also have fewer bayonets" :roll: :roll:

Romney is such a joke. I honestly think you have to be either ignorant or rich to vote for that guy. He got exposed again tonight. This "race" is over.:applause:

This is exactly what is wrong with our country. Retards who are impressed with shitty 1 liners and bad jokes instead of actual policy and the substance of the debate.

[IcanzIIravor]

This is exactly what is wrong with our country. Retards who are impressed with shitty 1 liners and bad jokes instead of actual policy and the substance of the debate.

What policies with regards to Mitt Romney and how he would handle foreign policy differently than President Obama did you get out of this debate?

[KevinNYC]

Also the reason the one-liner was so potent was that Romney chose a stupid argument that our most pressing military need is more ships when what our military has actually been engaged in asymmetric warfare, counter insurgency and covert warfare.

[DonDadda59]

This is exactly what is wrong with our country. Retards who are impressed with shitty 1 liners and bad jokes instead of actual policy and the substance of the debate.

And what policy and substance did Romney bring to the table? From where I was watching it seemed that he agreed with most of the President's views, decisions, actions, etc and the only real divergent idea was Mitt's commitment to add a few trillion dollars to the deficit by investing on superfluous military spending (on top of his $5 trillion tax cut that he plans to offset by closing still yet to be named 'loopholes'). IMO he lacked anything remotely resembling a clear vision for how he would lead the country on the world stage beyond buying more boats.

[bmulls]

What policies with regards to Mitt Romney and how he would handle foreign policy differently than President Obama did you get out of this debate?

That was my point. They said virtually the same thing on every topic, yet this guy thinks Obama "bent Romney over and spanked him." People are more swayed by the pageantry of the debate than what is actually said.

[Jello]

And what policy and substance did Romney bring to the table? From where I was watching it seemed that he agreed with most of the President's views, decisions, actions, etc and the only real divergent idea was Mitt's commitment to add a few trillion dollars to the deficit by investing on superfluous military spending (on top of his $5 trillion tax cut that he plans to offset by closing still yet to be named 'loopholes'). IMO he lacked anything remotely resembling a clear vision for how he would lead the country on the world stage beyond buying more boats.
Superfluous defense spending? A significant increase in defense spending would be a much better stimulus for our economy than the stimulus passed by congress.

[brandonislegend]

Just watched the whole debate, holy **** Romney says the same shit every debate but still doesn't describe anything, how is this guy running for president?

[Scoooter]

Superfluous defense spending? A significant increase in defense spending would be a much better stimulus for our economy than the stimulus passed by congress.
So would a jobs bill that went to work repairing and upgrading decaying or outdated American infrastructure. And that's something we actually need.

[IcanzIIravor]

Superfluous defense spending? A significant increase in defense spending would be a much better stimulus for our economy than the stimulus passed by congress.

Infrastructure spending would be a far greater boon than defense spending, not too mention have a more lasting economic benefit.

[InspiredLebowski]

Superfluous defense spending? A significant increase in defense spending would be a much better stimulus for our economy than the stimulus passed by congress.Sure. If that's what you're into I guess...

[Jello]

So would a jobs bill that went to work repairing and upgrading decaying or outdated American infrastructure. And that's something we actually need.
Deficit spending on anything, according to keynesians, would stimulate the economy but we see the left saying "we didn't spend enough on the fiscal stimulus." They point towards the Reagan recovery or WWII for reference of massive deficit spending and then criticize the upping of defense spending.

[1987_Lakers]

Obama looked more knowledgeable when it came down to foreign policy while it seemed like Romney was just agreeing with him on some issues. It wasn't a landslide victory, but Obama was clearly the winner in this debate.

[brandonislegend]

Romney: "I will create 12 million jobs"

Romney: "Government does not create jobs"

anyone else think this is ****ing retarded?

[Jello]

Infrastructure spending would be a far greater boon than defense spending, not too mention have a more lasting economic benefit.
Of course, but that's not what my post is talking about. I'm just pointing out the disconnect of what is historically fact and what the left condemn.

[IcanzIIravor]

Of course, but that's not what my post is talking about. I'm just pointing out the disconnect of what is historically fact and what the left condemn.

Are you referencing things like the Marshall Plan or when the government created the GI Bill and spent large sums of money helping WW2 Vets after WW2 or is your focus specifically on the Reagan years when we ramped up defense spending to bankrupt the Soviet Union amongst other things?

[RedBlackAttack]

Are you referencing things like the Marshall Plan or when the government created the GI Bill and spent large sums of money helping WW2 Vets after WW2 or is your focus specifically on the Reagan years when we ramped up defense spending to bankrupt the Soviet Union amongst other things?
Funny thing is, Reagan really had an internal struggle about exploding defense spending and only did so in an effort to bankrupt the Soviet Union. Once that goal was reached, he wanted to cut the defense budget back down to where it was before he started the massive increase in the defense programs.

The idea was to spend the USSR into oblivion and then bring it back down to earth when the mission was accomplished. Reagan also supported the complete dismantling of all nuclear programs.

Somehow, this guy is considered the neoconservative standard and he would be far to the left of the Democrats on many issues. No way he could be a candidate for the current Republican party with many of his stances. He wouldn't pass the litmus test and would get killed for wanting to cut defense, specifically the nuclear program.

Our military industrial complex has gotten completely out-of-hand... Just as Pres. Eisenhower predicted.

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist."


Our infrastructure is crumbling. Roads and bridges across the country fall woefully behind many of the other developed nations. And, here we are, bickering over whether or not we should keep our current rate of defense budget as being more than the next 10 nations combined or make a dramatic INCREASE to that ridiculous number.

It is madness.

[IcanzIIravor]

Funny thing is, Reagan really had an internal struggle about exploding defense spending and only did so in an effort to bankrupt the Soviet Union. Once that goal was reached, he wanted to cut the defense budget back down to where it was before he started the massive increase in the defense programs.

The idea was to spend the USSR into oblivion and then bring it back down to earth when the mission was accomplished. Reagan also supported the complete dismantling of all nuclear programs.

Somehow, this guy is consider the neoconservative standard and he would be far to the left on many issues. No way he could be a candidate for the current Republican party with many of his stances. He wouldn't pass the litmus test and would get killed for wanting to cut defense, specifically the nuclear program.

Our military industrial complex has gotten completely out-of-hand... Just as Pres. Eisenhower predicted.

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists, and will persist."


Our infrastructure is crumbling. Roads and bridges across the country fall woefully behind many of the other developed nations. And, here we are, bickering over whether or not we should keep our current rate of defense budget as being more than the next 10 nations combined or make a dramatic INCREASE to that ridiculous number.

It is madness.


I couldn't have said it better. Defense spending needs to decrease not increase. Reinvest back into the nations infrastructure and we'll still go a long way towards creating/keeping jobs. If we are talking about cuts then they should be across the board with defense spending being at the top of the list.

[bagelred]

Fox News has declared the winner of the 3rd Presidential Debate as a tie.


In other news, Fox News has declared the winner of the NLCS as a tie.

[rufuspaul]

Just watched the whole debate, holy **** Romney says the same shit every debate but still doesn't describe anything, how is this guy running for president?


Well to be fair the president wasn't exactly full of details himself. They each had their 5 point plans that were more like non-specific wish lists.

Obama was smart in being aggressive like he was in the 2nd debate and as expected the moderator allowed him to interrupt Romney and interject his authority.

Except for the "rout to the sea" remark Romney stayed pretty much gaffe-free. He didn't win the debate but I don't think he caused any voters leaning towards him to change their vote.

[bmulls]

Romney: "I will create 12 million jobs"

Romney: "Government does not create jobs"

anyone else think this is ****ing retarded?

He's talking about creating jobs in the private sector by growing the economy, not by hiring 12 million government employees. It's scary that people are voting in this election do not understand this.

[Real Men Wear Green]

He's talking about creating jobs in the private sector by growing the economy, not by hiring 12 million government employees. It's scary that people are voting in this election do not understand this.
And every job Obama talks about creating is government? He'll certainly create more government work but both are (allegedly) trying to spark business to create more jobs in the private sector. The real difference is that Romney thinks the key is just cutting taxes while Obama takes a more active role. It's not an important point which is why Obama doesn't go after him hard on it but it does sound off when Romeny says "government doesn't create jobs" in one breath to argue against Obama and then will say he's going to pull 12 million new jobs out of his ass in the next.

[dunksby]

Whoever you guys vote for is gonna make my life more miserable than it is and will get credit and praised for it :lol

[IcanzIIravor]

He's talking about creating jobs in the private sector by growing the economy, not by hiring 12 million government employees. It's scary that people are voting in this election do not understand this.

He is also getting those numbers from economist predicting 12 million jobs will be created regardless of who is President.

link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/wp/2012/08/30/factchecker-romneys-12-million-job-promise/)

[Take Your Lumps]

Also the reason the one-liner was so potent was that Romney chose a stupid argument that our most pressing military need is more ships when what our military has actually been engaged in asymmetric warfare, counter insurgency and covert warfare.

I look at it this way -- here is Obama well into his first term of dealing with real-world foreign policy issues and he has to sit there while Mitt Romney mis-characterizes and over-simplifies every one of his arguments (presumably as red meat for the knuckle draggers watching at home).

That shit must be infuriating.

[rezznor]

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[rezznor]

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[rufuspaul]

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Just to play devil's advocate, here's a quote from another forum:



You don't tell another adult, a former governor who controlled a National Guard force, that aircraft carriers are these things that planes land on, and other things that go underwater are called nuclear submarines. The truth is, it was condescending and child-like. Speaking of carriers, a Carrier Group is a potent force, but it has limitations based on the range the aircraft can sorte. We cannot be everywhere at once, and less carrier groups means less coverage. One carrier takes a lot of support ships. How about President Obama address that issue with the potential reduction numbers - even sequestration - that were the real points needing to addressed? Answer - He won't because he knows the future of the Navy's ships isn't going to improve under his administration so he resorts to quips and zingers.

[rezznor]

Just to play devil's advocate, here's a quote from another forum:
I understand you are just playing devil's advocate, but the gist of it for me was do we really need to spend an extra 2 trillion dollars on our defense?

[Jailblazers7]

Deficit spending on anything, according to keynesians, would stimulate the economy but we see the left saying "we didn't spend enough on the fiscal stimulus." They point towards the Reagan recovery or WWII for reference of massive deficit spending and then criticize the upping of defense spending.

Being for govt stimulus and being against increases in defense spending are not mutually exclusive.