Durant, Lebron and Kobe Playoff Gamewinners: [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

pauk

10-22-2012, 11:24 PM

DURANT, LEBRON AND KOBE PLAYOFF GAMEWINNERS:

..in 2012 Playoffs Lebron had:

Missed Gamewinning 2PT shot in Game 2 vs Celtics
Made Gametying 3PT shot to send it into OT Game 4 vs Celtics

That makes it a total of 6 of 14 (excluding FTs), 42.8% FG...

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Lebron-GWinners-Playoffs.png

Kobe in 2012 Playoffs had:

Missed Gametying 3PT shot in Game 4 vs OKC
Missed Gametying 3PT shot in Game 5 vs Denver

That makes it a total of 7 of 27 (excluding FTs), 25.9% FG...

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Kobe-GWinners-Playoffs.png

As far as Kevin Durant goes:

Missed Gamewinning 3PT shot with 7 seconds to go Game 2 vs Lakers 2010
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...004200LAL.html

Made Gamewinning 2PT shot with 2 seconds to go Game 1 vs Mavs 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3B2QzmwFHuo

Made Gamewinning 2PT shot with 18 seconds to go Game 2 vs Lakers 2012
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...205160OKC.html

Missed Gametying 3PT shot with 4 seconds to go Game 3 vs Lakers 2012
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...205180LAL.html

Made Gamewinning 3PT shot with 13 seconds to go Game 4 vs Lakers 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y57RzJWaYZ0

Missed Gametying 2PT shot with 9 seconds to go Game 2 vs Miami 2012
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...206140OKC.html

Kevin Durant is so far 3 of 6 in the playoffs (excluding FTs), 50%...

Just putting it out there.... i would probably go with Durant when the game is on the line for a jumpshot, because at the end of the day its simply a matter of shooting accuracy whether it goes in or not...

RRR3

10-22-2012, 11:24 PM

Shut up Pauk

maybeshewill13

10-22-2012, 11:26 PM

Just putting it out there.... i would probably go with Durant when the game is on the line for a jumpshot, because at the end of the day its simply a matter of shooting accuracy whether it goes in or not...

No **** sherlock :lol No one in their right might would take ChuckBe over the Durantula in that situation.

KOBE143

10-22-2012, 11:26 PM

:sleeping :sleeping :sleeping

maybeshewill13

10-22-2012, 11:26 PM

:sleeping :sleeping :sleeping

Truth hurts huh? :lol

9erempiree

10-22-2012, 11:26 PM

this trolling thread should be deleted.

Those links don't even work.

Trying to pass off fake links as real sources.:facepalm

Zedja

10-22-2012, 11:27 PM

Who cares? Jordan>All of them
Amirite? :pimp:

pauk

10-22-2012, 11:29 PM

Shut up Pauk

http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/i%20love%20you/grand/i-love-you-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-199.gif

pauk

10-22-2012, 11:33 PM

this trolling thread should be deleted.

Care to elaborate on what is "trolling" here, its zero opinions/statements... but all factual data.... with excellent logic & reason...

Those links don't even work. Trying to pass off fake links as real sources.:facepalm

Checked, all work for me...

Here is the links:

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Lebron-GWinners-Playoffs.png
http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Kobe-GWinners-Playoffs.png

See it now?

Source: http://chasing23.com/kobe-bryant-vs-lebron-james-game-winning-shots/

Those go up to only 2011, i updated with 2012 as you can see on the first post....

Heavincent

10-22-2012, 11:34 PM

Who cares?

maybeshewill13

10-22-2012, 11:34 PM

Care to elaborate on what is "trolling" here, its all factual data.... with excellent logic & reason...

Checked, all work for me...

Here is the links:

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Lebron-GWinners-Playoffs.png
http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Kobe-GWinners-Playoffs.png

See it now?

LOL wowwww that is a terrible percentage :biggums: Knew it was bad, but not that bad.

RRR3

10-22-2012, 11:36 PM

http://www.gifsforum.com/images/gif/i%20love%20you/grand/i-love-you-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-199.gif
Sorry if I was a little douchey there, I just don't want you creating threads that just get everyone trolling and arguing. It's annoying.

maybeshewill13

10-22-2012, 11:38 PM

Sorry if I was a little douchey there, I just don't want you creating threads that just get everyone trolling and arguing. It's annoying.

LOL coming from you? Come on man.. :lol

RRR3

10-22-2012, 11:39 PM

LOL coming from you? Come on man.. :lol
I only troll reigny for real:D
All right I'm just in a bad mood kind of lol ****ing Cardinals choked against the Giants:banghead: :banghead: :mad: :cry:

pauk

10-22-2012, 11:39 PM

Sorry if I was a little douchey there, I just don't want you creating threads that just get everyone trolling and arguing. It's annoying.

I made sure there will not be any trolling or arguing....... the facts speak for themselves... the trolling (if it happens anyways) happens just because there are trolls and will be trolling no matter what in any random thread...

pauk

10-22-2012, 11:41 PM

Who cares?

At least 1 of these people should on todays poll at nba.com:

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Untitled-2_zps3f69db68.png

maybeshewill13

10-22-2012, 11:41 PM

I only troll reigny for real:D
All right I'm just in a bad mood kind of lol ****ing Cardinals choked against the Giants:banghead: :banghead: :mad: :cry:

:lol go SF! But really, never watched a baseball game in my life :sleeping

maybeshewill13

10-22-2012, 11:43 PM

At least 1 of these people should on todays poll at nba.com:

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Untitled-2_zps3f69db68.png

Funny thing is, any poll that includes a player from the Lakers (especially Kobe), or the Laker team, is always going to be skewed as half the NBA fan base supports LA..

RRR3

10-22-2012, 11:43 PM

:lol go SF! But really, never watched a baseball game in my life :sleeping
Let's not forget I own you (literally in a fantasy league). So it'd be wise not to piss me off:mad:

maybeshewill13

10-22-2012, 11:43 PM

Let's not forget I own you (literally in a fantasy league). So it'd be wise not to piss me off:mad:

:D

Seriously, I have no idea how this fantasy league works.. I do see a timer to draft. Do I have to do anything before the draft, or just show up at draft time?

RRR3

10-22-2012, 11:45 PM

:D

Seriously, I have no idea how this fantasy league works.. I do see a timer to draft. Do I have to do anything before the draft, or just show up at draft time?
Try showing up 30 minutes early if you can, at least that's what yahoo's advice is. What time is the draft going to be for you guys down in Australia?

pauk

10-22-2012, 11:46 PM

Many Fans dont know these facts, i am just putting it out there... thats the only purpose with this thread... not trying to hurt anybodies feelings...

avonbarksdale

10-22-2012, 11:46 PM

anyone who would give lebron the last shot before kobe is a bit retarded

maybeshewill13

10-22-2012, 11:47 PM

Try showing up 30 minutes early if you can, at least that's what yahoo's advice is. What time is the draft going to be for you guys down in Australia?

AWWW SHIIII, 3:30 AM!! :biggums:

Heavincent

10-22-2012, 11:47 PM

At least 1 of these people should on todays poll at nba.com:

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Untitled-2_zps3f69db68.png

:confusedshrug:

He's in his twilight years. He's already at the point where most people just remember all of his great moments. Nobody really talks about any of his not so great moments. It happens with every all time great. Nobody really talks about Magic Johnson choking his ass off in the 84 Finals, or Nick Anderson embarrassing Jordan.

pauk

10-22-2012, 11:52 PM

:confusedshrug:

He's in his twilight years. He's already at the point where most people just remember all of his great moments. Nobody really talks about any of his not so great moments. It happens with every all time great. Nobody really talks about Magic Johnson choking his ass off in the 84 Finals, or Nick Anderson embarrassing Jordan.

Exactly and my point is i dont like that because other players (like that topics/polls case, Durant) get overlooked who are/have been greater at a certain aspect of the game right now....

pauk

10-22-2012, 11:54 PM

I can dig up some more players made/missed Gamewinners in playoffs if you are interested? Durant, Lebron & Kobe was just an obligatory starting point...

maybeshewill13

10-22-2012, 11:55 PM

I can dig up some more players made/missed Gamewinners in playoffs if you are interested? Durant, Lebron & Kobe was just an obligatory starting point...

How about Larry Bird, Jerry West and Jordan?

RRR3

10-22-2012, 11:58 PM

anyone who would give lebron the last shot before kobe is a bit retarded
Arguing with facts. Productive way to spend your time.

EnoughSaid

10-22-2012, 11:58 PM

RRR3

10-22-2012, 11:59 PM

AWWW SHIIII, 3:30 AM!! :biggums:
Wake up early then nikka :lol

pauk

10-23-2012, 12:08 AM

anyone who would give lebron the last shot before kobe is a bit retarded

Those facts as you can see strongly suggest otherwise, infact they suggest that the opposite decision to yours would be more "retarded"...

The main reason Lebron hit more of his gamewinners than Kobe in playoffs is because he is/was better at creating/making higher percentage shots (shots closer to the basket) and prefers better shot selection... same difference with their actual scoring...

If you want a last second jumpshot you could probably go with Kobe if you wish as their shooting accuracy from the perimeter is pretty much equal lately... no significant difference...

But if there is enough time left on the shotclock... Lebron will more often than not take/make a higher percentage shot compared to Kobe (which gives you logically a better chance to win), he can also more willingly than Kobe pass to an entirely open guy to take a shot at his sweetspot (which gives you logically another greater chance to win)....
Going by Kobes history in those situations Kobe thinks majority of time only "SHOOT!" (which is most often a lower percentage shot compared to what Lebron would do or sometimes even a very bad/very tough shot selection type of play, it does look pretty damn sweet and looks more impressive when it does go in though)...

This is where Durant comes in, Durant is A: he is a better jumpshooter than both Lebron/Kobe (from anywhere) and B: he is almost as good as Lebron with taking/making a higher percentage shot... and has excellent shot selection....

Compared to Lebron & Kobe Durant is supposed to be hitting gamewinning shots/clutch jumpshots more accurately based on this simple logic (and he is!).

maybeshewill13

10-23-2012, 12:09 AM

Wake up early then nikka :lol

:durantunimpressed:

What happens if I don't show up, do I just get the scraps lol? Will do my best to get up, day off work tomorrow so should be good. Try crank out some D3 to keep me up.

LongLiveTheKing

10-23-2012, 12:09 AM

I love how when LeBron was in his first season with Miami and missed a bunch of clutch shots in a row throughout the course of the season, people went crazy and called him a choke artist. That stopped in the Playoffs after he went in against the Celtics and Bulls. Now when someone brings up a negative thing about Kobe, it doesn't matter and no one cares. :facepalm
Those shots from LeBron were so cold and shut everyone up. Especially Lebron and Dwade's comeback in Game 5 against the Bulls. .:bowdown:

I can dig up some more players made/missed Gamewinners in playoffs if you are interested? Durant, Lebron & Kobe was just an obligatory starting point...
Look up Dwyane Wade's.

Droid101

10-23-2012, 12:10 AM

Not the first time I've posted this, and it won't be the last. Old, but not totally out dated yet.

http://blogs.thescore.com/tbj/2012/03/04/kobe-bryant-lebron-james-and-clutch-shooting-when-perception-and-reality-shake-hands/#more-35626

[quote]On Friday night against the Utah Jazz, LeBron James put up one of those statlines where you would know it was him without even looking at the name attached to it: 35 points, 16-for-24 shooting, 10 rebounds, six assists, three blocks and no turnovers. Ridiculous, right? Too bad the Heat still lost the game by a point, and when LeBron passed out of a double team to a wide open Udonis Haslem for the potential game-winning shot

KyrieTheFuture

10-23-2012, 12:13 AM

That's the wonder of statistics. Tweak it in a certain way and it'll fit your agenda perfectly.

PyrrhusX

10-23-2012, 12:14 AM

The sad thing about Kobe stans passing this off is that if Kobe had an incredible % it would be bought up in every discussion.

That said I would probably still trust a prime Kobe with last shot, but the gap in selection between the three players is not as big as people would make it out to be. I'm semi interested in knowing melos record.

9erempiree

10-23-2012, 12:15 AM

RRR3

10-23-2012, 12:17 AM

:durantunimpressed:

What happens if I don't show up, do I just get the scraps lol? Will do my best to get up, day off work tomorrow so should be good. Try crank out some D3 to keep me up.
It'll autopick based on yahoo rankings. You can make your own predraft rankings and as long as you make sure to set it to pick those in an autodraft situation it will base the picks off your rankings.

maybeshewill13

10-23-2012, 12:17 AM

That's the wonder of statistics. Tweak it in a certain way and it'll fit your agenda perfectly.

:applause:

pauk

10-23-2012, 12:31 AM

Not the first time I've posted this, and it won't be the last. Old, but not totally out dated yet.

http://blogs.thescore.com/tbj/2012/03/04/kobe-bryant-lebron-james-and-clutch-shooting-when-perception-and-reality-shake-hands/#more-35626

Those are basketball-reference single shots matching criteria... only regular season... and only past 2 seasons (more like almost 1 and a half).... and only 0:05 or less remaining...

Problem 1 - This nullifies the gamewinning/gametying shot you had with 0:06 left and above (which Lebron/Kobe did have, including misses)...

Problem 2 - This nullifies their entire career of total gamewinning/gametying shots...

Problem 3 - This nullifies the playoffs (and even if playoffs were included then problem #1 and #2 would also exist for it)

With other words, that there is absolutely useless unless you want to know exactly how everything looked like with those specific criterias (horrible criterias may i add)....

G-Funk

10-23-2012, 12:32 AM

Kobe went through a huge slump from 2002-2004, Lebron is likely to go through one as well. As a matter a fact he has not been that great. He's 1-6 on his last 7 attempts

maybeshewill13

10-23-2012, 12:32 AM

Those are basketball-reference single shots matching criteria... only regular season... and only past 2 seasons.... and only 0:05 or less remaining...

Problem 1 - This nullifies the gamewinning/gametying shot you had with 0:06 left and above...

Problem 2 - This nullifies their entire career of total gamewinning/gametying shots...

Problem 3 - This nullifies the playoffs (and even if playoffs were included then problem #1 and #2 would also exist for it)

With other words, that there is absolutely useless unless you want to know exactly how everything looked like with those specific criterias (horrible criterias may i add)....

Or like Droid101, you're a Kobe stan. In that case it's not useless :sleeping

Legends66NBA7

10-23-2012, 12:33 AM

Look up Dwyane Wade's.

I think all-time in the playoffs, Wade's 2-9 or 2-10. He did miss 1 against Boston in Game 4. I don't recall any other scenarios where he took an attempt.

I know he's been bad at converting those type of scenario shots... Then again, not a lot of players are.

BlackVVaves

10-23-2012, 12:34 AM

Out of those three, I rather have Durant with the ball in his hands in the waning moments of a game. And I think that's probably the consensus of most sensible basketball fans. No amount of statistical maneuvering will change that Pauk - Lebron, still after 9 years in the league, exhibits too much uncertainty in pressured moments. He altered that trajectory this past post-season in his favor, but I want to personally see that comfort, confidence, and certainty throughout multiple seasons - as illustrated by players like Melo, Chris Paul, ect - before I label someone 'the must clutch player in the league.'

From what I've seen the last 2 seasons, that title belongs to Durant. Lebron is still the better overall player, but give me Durant's formidable jumpshot over Lebron's shaky jumpshot in the final moments in a game.

I do agree that Kobe over the last 2-3 years has grown to be the least likely to make a gamewinning shot/play out of those three. Mostly due to a decline
in ahleticism, inhibiting him to blow by his opponents, and lingering injuries to his fingers and wrist that negatively affect his ball handling skills.

Kobe was once the most clutch player in the league. Those were in his young years, his prime years, and his peak years. He's long removed from those years, and so is his hold on the "most clutch" title.

Droid101

10-23-2012, 12:34 AM

Those are basketball-reference single shots matching criteria... only regular season... and only past 2 seasons (more like almost 1 and a half).... and only 0:05 or less remaining...

Problem 1 - This nullifies the gamewinning/gametying shot you had with 0:06 left and above (which Lebron/Kobe did have, including misses)...

Problem 2 - This nullifies their entire career of total gamewinning/gametying shots...

Problem 3 - This nullifies the playoffs (and even if playoffs were included then problem #1 and #2 would also exist for it)

With other words, that there is absolutely useless unless you want to know exactly how everything looked like with those specific criterias (horrible criterias may i add)....
Oh yeah? :coleman:

the following criteria: regular season or playoffs, I guess we can disregard everything you say pauk, as usual.

RRR3

10-23-2012, 12:34 AM

Kobe went through a huge slump from 2002-2004, Lebron is likely to go through one as well. As a matter a fact he has not been that great since 2007.
LeBron's slump has been the past few years and more based on a lack of confidence than bad luck, which I would say is usually the case for these things. He's got his confidence back and then some now, hopefully he'll drain a few game winners this year :banana:

pauk

10-23-2012, 12:35 AM

Kobe went through a huge slump from 2002-2004, Lebron is likely to go through one as well. As a matter a fact he has not been that great. He's 1-6 on his last 7 attempts

Indeed, players go through that... i would say Lebron has been in a huge slump in 2010-11 in the regular season (he was excellent in the playoffs though in the clutch, but then came the Finals, he "choked" pretty damn bad there)...

pauk

10-23-2012, 12:37 AM

Oh yeah? :coleman:

I guess we can disregard everything you say pauk, as usual.

Sorry, i am to tired, need to read more carefully... :D

However, problem #1 and #2 still exists.... and should not be disregarded by you...

BlackVVaves

10-23-2012, 12:38 AM

Those facts as you can see strongly suggest otherwise, infact they suggest that the opposite decision to yours would be more "retarded"...

The main reason Lebron hit more of his gamewinners than Kobe in playoffs is because he is/was better at creating/making higher percentage shots (shots closer to the basket) and prefers better shot selection... same difference with their actual scoring...

If you want a last second jumpshot you could probably go with Kobe if you wish as their shooting accuracy from the perimeter is pretty much equal lately... no significant difference...

But if there is enough time left on the shotclock... Lebron will more often than not take/make a higher percentage shot compared to Kobe (which gives you logically a better chance to win), he can also more willingly than Kobe pass to an entirely open guy to take a shot at his sweetspot (which gives you logically another greater chance to win)....
Going by Kobes history in those situations Kobe thinks majority of time only "SHOOT!" (which is most often a lower percentage shot compared to what Lebron would do or sometimes even a very bad/very tough shot selection type of play, it does look pretty damn sweet and looks more impressive when it does go in though)...

This is where Durant comes in, Durant is A: he is a better jumpshooter than both Lebron/Kobe (from anywhere) and B: he is almost as good as Lebron with taking/making a higher percentage shot... and has excellent shot selection....

Compared to Lebron & Kobe Durant is supposed to be hitting gamewinning shots/clutch jumpshots more accurately based on this simple logic (and he is!).

One of the rare, rare, rare times I can say I agree with you. Pretty much this though.

G-Funk

10-23-2012, 12:40 AM

LeBron's slump has been the past few years and more based on a lack of confidence than bad luck, which I would say is usually the case for these things. He's got his confidence back and then some now, hopefully he'll drain a few game winners this year :banana:

That's Lebron's issue, he disappoints or gets criticized because people want to see the best player on the team to take the last shot. Ad in a sense that's the reason Kobe get's some praise cause he wants to take the last shot. I guess both are wrong and Jordan is right.

9erempiree

10-23-2012, 12:41 AM

pauk

10-23-2012, 12:44 AM

Droid101, when talking about season + playoffs... this is just a tad more useful than that thing you posted, as it covers those 2 problems i told you:

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Lebron-Clutch.png

This is somewhat outdated though, but still a tad more useful/accurate way of valuating missed/made gamewinning shots than simply shots of 1/2 years and with only 5 or less seconds left...

pauk

10-23-2012, 12:45 AM

One of the rare, rare, rare times I can say I agree with you. Pretty much this though.

If you sticked with only facts (like i do) you would agree with me much more often... :)

maybeshewill13

10-23-2012, 12:47 AM

Can't believe the day has come when people read about basketball games on a spreadsheet.

I am old school and still watch the games.

Can't believe it has come with having a criteria for game winners.

Oh in that case you've seen with your eyes that Durant is far more efficient with game-winning shots than Kobe? :applause: :bowdown: Who needs spreadsheets after all?!

G-Funk

10-23-2012, 12:48 AM

Can't believe the day has come when people read about basketball games on a spreadsheet.

I am old school and still watch the games.

Can't believe it has come with having a criteria for game winners.

some don't count shots like this one(by Kobe)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RodiAAns6Jk

G-Funk

10-23-2012, 12:51 AM

http://i1214.photobucket.com/albums/cc500/pauk666/Lebron-Clutch.png

That's ****ing great! 31.3 out of 115 attempts!

Legends66NBA7

10-23-2012, 12:54 AM

RRR3

10-23-2012, 12:55 AM

That's ****ing great! 31.3 out of 115 attempts!
How do you make .3 of a shot? :biggums:

maybeshewill13

10-23-2012, 12:57 AM

How do you make .3 of a shot? :biggums:

Cut it into tenths and hit only three of them :yaohappy:

Legends66NBA7

10-23-2012, 12:58 AM

Anybody else know any active players over 30+ game winners ?

Deuce Bigalow

10-23-2012, 01:02 AM

I knew Kobe Bryant and Vince Carter are the only active players with over 30+ Game Winners and obviously they took a lot of shots, because they have to create their offense when the defense keys in on you. Has Kobe had over 40+ now ?
What year do those stats go up too?
From last season I can remember the GW vs the Raptors and the game tying jumper vs the Pistons. So if those stats are updated from the 2010-11 season, then Kobe has 38, unless if I forgot some.

9erempiree

10-23-2012, 01:04 AM

What year do those stats go up too?
From last season I can remember the GW vs the Raptors and the game tying jumper vs the Pistons. So if those stats are updated from the 2010-11 season, then Kobe has 38, unless if I forgot some.

He should be at over 30 plus which is quite a lot of game winners.

GameWinnerbe.

Buzzerbe.ater

RRR3

10-23-2012, 01:04 AM

Anybody else know any active players over 30+ game winners ?
T-Mac. He should get credit for 100000 game winners just for the 13 points in 33 seconds.

@Deuce game winner in the 3-21 game against Hornets last year :lol

28renyoy

10-23-2012, 01:05 AM

9erempiree

10-23-2012, 01:05 AM

I don't think anyone has as much as Kobe.

Legends66NBA7

10-23-2012, 01:06 AM

What year do those stats go up too?
From last season I can remember the GW vs the Raptors and the game tying jumper vs the Pistons. So if those stats are updated from the 2010-11 season, then Kobe has 38, unless if I forgot some.

It was in the middle of 2010-2011 season. I'm pretty sure he got 1 or 2 during the end of that season.

So yeah, 38 or 39... he's either close or he has 40 or more by now.

Legends66NBA7

10-23-2012, 01:09 AM

T-Mac. He should get credit for 100000 game winners just for the 13 points in 33 seconds.

@Deuce game winner in the 3-21 game against Hornets last year :lol

Yes, that one counts, because it was under the criteria (24 seconds or less).

So 39 at LEAST by this point.

9erempiree

10-23-2012, 01:10 AM

So a shot made with 37 seconds left to "send the game into OT" is a gamewinner? You have to be kidding

I also like how Pauk includes that shot, but ignores the shot that LeBron missed when the game was tied at 99 with 20.4 seconds left in game 4 of the Boston series

that's why I said he's passing around fake stats that anyone can do on a spreadsheet.

All Programs > Microsoft Office > Excel

:facepalm

Deuce Bigalow

10-23-2012, 01:10 AM

@Deuce game winner in the 3-21 game against Hornets last year :lol
Oh yeah. So 39 then. Next GW is 40.

Deuce Bigalow

10-23-2012, 01:13 AM

Yes, that one counts, because it was under the criteria (24 seconds or less).

So 39 at LEAST by this point.
You said it was mid-way in 2010-11 season right?
Then Kobe would have 40, because I remember him hitting a game tying 3 in the last game vs Kings in 2011. http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/pbp/201104130SAC.html#q4

9erempiree

10-23-2012, 01:14 AM

Deuce Bigalow

10-23-2012, 01:19 AM

That's just insane. 40?

wow.
Yep, it's 40.

The article was on January 28, 2011

36 made

since then:
game tying 3 vs Kings in '11
gamewinner vs raptors in '12
game tying shot vs pistons in '12
gamewinner vs hornets in '12

On like 120+ attempts:lol but still, 40 is a lot.

Dude hasn't hit a gamewinner/game-tying jumper in the Playoffs since 2008 :biggums:

maybeshewill13

10-23-2012, 01:19 AM

That's just insane. 40?

wow.

You got some jizz left on your cheek bro :rolleyes:

Legends66NBA7

10-23-2012, 01:19 AM

You said it was mid-way in 2010-11 season right?
Then Kobe would have 40, because I remember him hitting a game tying 3 in the last game vs Kings in 2011. http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/pbp/201104130SAC.html#q4

Yeah, article came out in January 2011.

Yes, I remember that game. Final game of the season, good find.

So it's official then, Kobe at least has 40 game winning makes, 43 overall (unless we missed out on another game winner). Think he will make it to 50 GW ?

9erempiree

10-23-2012, 01:21 AM

Yeah, article came out in January 2011.

Yes, I remember that game. Final game of the season, good find.

So it's official then, Kobe at least has 40 game winning makes, 43 overall (unless we missed out on another game winner). Think he will make it to 50 GW ?

I hope so. Hit 50.

They funny thing is MJ has 27 game winners and Kobe is gunning for 50.

maybeshewill13

10-23-2012, 01:22 AM

I hope so. Hit 50.

They funny thing is MJ has 27 game winners and Kobe is gunning for 50.

What's funny about that is the bulls were so dominant (because of Jordan) that Jordan didn't need to save their ass in the last few seconds nearly as much as Kobe :facepalm

Deuce Bigalow

10-23-2012, 01:24 AM

Yeah, article came out in January 2011.

Yes, I remember that game. Final game of the season, good find.

So it's official then, Kobe at least has 40 game winning makes, 43 overall (unless we missed out on another game winner). Think he will make it to 50 GW ?
wait, where did you get 43?
I only remember 4 since that article, making it 40.

Deuce Bigalow

10-23-2012, 01:26 AM

I hope so. Hit 50.

They funny thing is MJ has 27 game winners and Kobe is gunning for 50.
Jordan was 50% in the Playoffs for his CAREER. No one can touch that.

Legends66NBA7

10-23-2012, 01:27 AM

wait, where did you get 43?
I only remember 4 since that article, making it 40.

Actually, my bad. I was thinking Kobe hit more between the time frame of January 28, 2011 - May 2012.

Yes, it's officially 40.

9erempiree

10-23-2012, 01:27 AM

What's funny about that is the bulls were so dominant (because of Jordan) that Jordan didn't need to save their ass in the last few seconds nearly as much as Kobe :facepalm

So suddenly it was a criteria for game winners.

Now...it's Player A didn't need to save his team because they were dominating.

:facepalm

What's next...can Kobe do a somersault and hit a game winner?

Blindfolded?

maybeshewill13

10-23-2012, 01:55 AM

So suddenly it was a criteria for game winners.

Now...it's Player A didn't need to save his team because they were dominating.

:facepalm

What's next...can Kobe do a somersault and hit a game winner?

Blindfolded?

The whole point is the NUMBER of game-winners is irrelevant. Efficiency is the stat that matters. All having a lot of game-winners means is that Kobe's team was even/behind at the end of the fourth a lot, and he took the shots. He's been in the league for a long time, so it's inevitable he's going to have a bunch.

Rojogaqu11

10-23-2012, 02:17 AM

Because all game winners are the same right?
Context, people...

You can't compare game-winners as if they were FT percentage.

If Lebron had to shoot a 3pt over a double team with 1 second to go because they were down by 2 and he wouldn't be able to pass it on time for a better shot, but he still made it, it's a harder game-winner than if he had 6 seconds to work and they put him a screen for a floater at the Ft line.

If the game was on the line for a wild 3 ptr I would choose Kobe or Durant. If it was anything else with ample time I would probably go for Lebron and shooters. If it was less than 3 seconds to work I would go with Durant. If it was full 24 seconds I'd go with either of the 3, one has experience and credentials, the other one has versatility, playmaking and athleticism, and other one has range and height advantage. You can't go wrong.

Jax

10-23-2012, 05:53 AM

Facts make stans angry. TOO FUNNY
About Durant's game winners, I noticed he makes them only when in no pressure mode, aka tied. Can someone confirm?

maybeshewill13

10-23-2012, 05:57 AM

Facts make stans angry. TOO FUNNY
About Durant's game winners, I noticed he makes them only when in no pressure mode, aka tied. Can someone confirm?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wXqnGIc_7Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHYuQR0cUrQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVYBxRggOYc

Nice post.

ripthekik

10-23-2012, 06:08 AM

This thread fails because it fails to take into account the amount of times Lebron passed with 20 seconds left under the clock.

ripthekik

10-23-2012, 06:09 AM

and pauk, I hope you're not gonna use your Windmill account to come agree with yourself in this thread as well.

Simple Jack

02-03-2013, 02:52 AM

Jordan has A LOT more than 27. The lists for Jordan are missing a laughable amount of his game winners.

avonbarksdale

02-03-2013, 02:56 AM

kobe has 5 rings, lebron 1, durant 0

pauk

02-03-2013, 02:57 AM

kobe has 5 rings, lebron 1, durant 0

Ok...?

avonbarksdale

02-03-2013, 02:57 AM

so what do the stats really prove, less clutch = more rings?

Magic 32

02-03-2013, 03:08 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuZr5AN-bsM&t=7m10s

So, this counts as a miss for Kobe. Wonder what else on that list is bull*hit.

Simple Jack

02-03-2013, 07:06 AM

so what do the stats really prove, less clutch = more rings?

Are you retarded?

dunksby

02-03-2013, 07:17 AM

Facts make stans angry. TOO FUNNY
About Durant's game winners, I noticed he makes them only when in no pressure mode, aka tied. Can someone confirm?
I have noticed you rarely notice anything.

Lebron23

03-22-2013, 03:02 AM

Are you retarded?

He is not smart.

NumberSix

03-22-2013, 04:02 AM

Who cares?
you

Lebron23

03-22-2013, 04:20 AM

you

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5pkbm499O1rwcc6bo1_500.gif

Greg Oden 50

03-22-2013, 04:40 AM

HOW MANY TRAVELLED DID NOT CALLED :roll:

Lebron23

04-10-2013, 02:14 AM

LeBron and Durant teams already clinched a playoffs spot. The Thunder and Heat will go deeper into the playoffs. KD and LBJ has plenty of chances to make some memorable clutch plays in the post season.

dh144498

04-10-2013, 02:16 AM

I'm mad from that clutch stats about Lebron, so now I'm going to post random things in other threads just to troll. :rant :mad:

:roll:

Lebron23

05-22-2013, 11:58 PM

LeBron with another game winner vs. The Indiana Pacers.

Magic 32

05-22-2013, 11:59 PM

LeBron already surpasses Kobe with his 2 game winning shots againts the Pacers.

2 game winners in one game???? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Lebron23

12-28-2013, 05:18 AM

Lebron23

12-28-2013, 05:27 AM

Love to see Duncan, Shaq, hakeem playoff game winners.

Sheik1287

12-28-2013, 05:43 AM

This thread fails because it fails to take into account the amount of times Lebron passed with 20 seconds left under the clock.
Well you can't fault LeBron for that. Kobe would rather take a bad contested jumper rather than pass to a wide open teammate.

ripthekik

12-28-2013, 05:45 AM

Update as of December 28, 2013

Best FG Pct on Game-Tying/Go-Ahead FG
Final 24 Secs. of 4th Qtr/OT, Past 10 Postseasons

Lebron - 7/16 - 43.8 FG%
Kevin Durant - 5/12 - 41.7 FG%
Dirk Nowitzki - 5/12 41.7 FG%
Manu Ginobili - 3/10 - 30.0 FG%

Not included

Kobe 5/17 - 29.4 FG%

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1649603-comparing-lebron-james-playoff-buzzer-beating-shots-to-michael-jordans-best

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/58575/lebron-james-isnt-clutch-think-again
Good time to bump this thread, is it updated after he missed that shot at the end of the 4th quarter?:roll: :roll:

oh and this is relevant:

http://d1warraxuf7xh1.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Jordan-Kobe-Lebron.png

Lebron23

12-28-2013, 05:50 AM

Sheik1287

12-28-2013, 05:57 AM

Good time to bump this thread, is it updated after he missed that shot at the end of the 4th quarter?:roll: :roll:

oh and this is relevant:

http://d1warraxuf7xh1.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Jordan-Kobe-Lebron.png
Yup, LeBron is not a shooting guard like the other two. He should not take the last shot. He is more like Magic than he is Jordan.

But it's sad how your idol Kobe (who is supposed to be the second coming of MJ) is not even close when it comes to discussing being Jordan clutch.

ripthekik

12-28-2013, 06:01 AM

Yup, LeBron is not a shooting guard like the other two. He should not take the last shot. He is more like Magic than he is Jordan.

Definitely. Glad more basketball fans can see this now. Lebron simply should not take the last shot. It's not his forte.

But it's sad how your idol Kobe (who is supposed to be the second coming of MJ) is not even close when it comes to discussing being Jordan clutch.
Ain't no shame in being behind MJ. None at all.

Deuce Bigalow

12-28-2013, 06:03 AM

http://d1warraxuf7xh1.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Jordan-Kobe-Lebron.png
http://i.imgur.com/5mPQjR9.gif

coin24

12-28-2013, 06:29 AM

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2588879/lebronchokes.gif

http://s3.amazonaws.com/br-cdn/temp_images/2013/12/11/LeBronAirball.gif

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/2158914/lebron-choke-o.gif

http://nsa29.casimages.com/img/2012/05/16/120516061910920004.gif

coin24

12-28-2013, 06:35 AM

http://nsa25.casimages.com/img/2011/03/04/110304045340191480.gif

Trollsmasher

12-28-2013, 06:49 AM

SpaceJammeR

12-28-2013, 06:55 AM

why don't you just post or make a separate thread of all the videos of each player's game winners.

Magic 32

12-28-2013, 11:18 AM

Numbers don't like. Lebron is more clutch than Kobe in the playoffs.

Numbers don't lie, layups are easier against scub defensive teams in the east.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBa0UWUqZ0A

And yes, I include these guys...

http://english.people.com.cn/200701/17/images/xinsrc_1920104171124953311496.jpg

Crafty

12-28-2013, 11:45 AM

Bandito

12-28-2013, 01:26 PM

Numbers don't like. Lebron is more clutch than Kobe in the playoffs.
Of course they don't, they are numbers.:biggums:

pauk

12-28-2013, 06:24 PM

Good time to bump this thread, is it updated after he missed that shot at the end of the 4th quarter?:roll: :roll:

oh and this is relevant:

http://d1warraxuf7xh1.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Jordan-Kobe-Lebron.png

Last jumpshot? None of those thanks... i would go with Reggie Miller or Larry Bird, they could outshoot Jordan/Kobe/Lebron from anywhere on the court blindfolded.

But it kindof depends on how much clock there is, because certainly Jordan/Lebron i think were better than Kobe/Bird/Reggie at creating easy/efficient shots with their slashing athleticism, Lebron particulary lat two years (previus playoffs & season especially) had a couple of gamewinning/gametying layups blowing by his defender from perimeter.