LeGawd: "I want to be the best of all time"

[PJR]

LeBron: I want to be 'best of all time'

October 26, 2012, 6:13 PM ET
Associated Press

MIAMI -- LeBron James won a championship and nothing changed.

Sure, there were a few events. The obligatory champagne shower at his stall in the Miami Heat locker room. The parade through before an estimated 400,000 fans. A pep rally at his high school. And Tuesday night brings the ultimate capper, the ring-and-banner ceremony just minutes before the start of a new season.

Then it begins again, another year, another quest for a title.

Having one title is not completely satisfying for James, who put the he-can't-win notion to rest when the Heat beat the Oklahoma City Thunder in five games for last season's NBA crown. It was a perfect run for the perennial All-Star: Besides getting engaged and winning his second Olympic gold, James walked away with the NBA's three most coveted trophies: MVP, Finals MVP and the championship.

For an encore, he wants more.

"I want to be the best of all time," James said in an interview with The Associated Press. "It's that simple."...



http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/8556320/lebron-james-miami-heat-says-goal-the-best-all-time


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[sixerfan82]

I suggest winning a ring not on the heat then :)

[Mr. Incredible]

I feel bad for the rest of the league

[lilgodfather1]

LeBron will be an absolute joke if the Heat don't repeat. Winning a title is nice, but with only one title you leave yourself open to the one hit wonder comments.

[All Net]

I suggest winning a ring not on the heat then :)

Odd statement to make.

[kNIOKAS]

http://ludditestereo.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/jayz-and-kanye-laughing.png

[Miller for 3]

He was the 7th or 8th best player of last decade, and so far has been the 4th best player this decade, so he has his work cut out for him

[kNIOKAS]

I guess he expects somebody to bring it as a present to him... Or a tap on a shoulder. Yeah no shit baby you want to be. Also be popular, have a lot of money. To bad you're a piece of shit human being. What a humble kid.

[BuffaloBill]

If the Heat make it to the finals they better win. That 1 out of 4 finals record won't be a good luck for Bron.

[madmax17]

If Marty and Doc go back in time and kill Mj when he was 2 years old.. then Lebron has a chance!!

[lilgodfather1]

If the Heat make it to the finals they better win. That 1 out of 4 finals record won't be a good luck for Bron.
1-3 is better than 0-0 or 1-2 or 1-1 or 1-0

[DStebb716]

I suggest winning a ring not on the heat then :)

yes. that's exactly what he needs. :facepalm he can go down as the best ever still playing for the heat

[EnoughSaid]

He's in the perfect position to take a shot at it. 27 years old and entering his prime, he's set for more rings, more MVPs all at 27/7/7. :bowdown:

[Fudge]

:oldlol:

[chosen_one6]

He was the 7th or 8th best player of last decade, and so far has been the 4th best player this decade, so he has his work cut out for him

So you're saying that in the last two seasons LeBron has only been the 4th best player in the league?

I know people don't like LeBron for what he's done off the court, but ignorant statements like this are ones that really irk me. Do you really expect people to believe that garbage? Look at the stats and look at the tape and tell me he hasn't been the best player in the league the last 3 seasons.

[StateOfMind12]

Thanks for making this thread. I originally thought Lebron wanted to be the 2nd best of all-time but after this thread I found out he wants to be the best. Very helpful thread.

[BMOGEFan]

Someone should tell him joining a team with 2 other superstars doesn't help his case.

[arifgokcen]

This thread is not gonna end well.Well,what can you expect from lebron vs jordan threads.... anyway

[arifgokcen]

Oh damn lebron haters vs lebron riders
Lets see who is gonna end up posting more nonsense

On one side we have nash/pauk on the other side we have kennethgriffin/lakersreign/kobe143.

:D:D:D

[Umad101]

I guess he expects somebody to bring it as a present to him... Or a tap on a shoulder. Yeah no shit baby you want to be. Also be popular, have a lot of money. To bad you're a piece of shit human being. What a humble kid.
Did he tap ur mom or something lol shm at ppl that hate players like they turley know them or they did something to them

[All Net]

Someone should tell him joining a team with 2 other superstars doesn't help his case.

Looks like the word superstar is being tossed around too easily.

[Bigsmoke]

Someone should tell him joining a team with 2 other superstars doesn't help his case.

being the best with good teammates might be better than being the best with Mo Williams as your 2nd option :rolleyes:

moron

[BuffaloBill]

1-3 is better than 0-0 or 1-2 or 1-1 or 1-0


But 1-3 isn't better than 6-0 is it?


This thread is about Lebron being the best of all time. MJ, Kareem, Magic, Russell all have +5 rings. Lebron needs that to pass them.

[AlonzoGOAT]

But 1-3 isn't better than 6-0 is it?


This thread is about Lebron being the best of all time. MJ, Kareem, Magic, Russell all have +5 rings. Lebron needs that to pass them.
Well good thing his career isn't close to being over

[TheFan]

He has a shot... he has enough MVPs... if he keeps those numbers... if he wins three more titles while stopping the Lakers power alliance(Kobe,Howard,Gasol,Artest & Nash)... then he is there... at least thats the minimum....

[Asukal]

Sure he has a shot, if he wins more than six while outperforming MJ in every ring he wins. Not going to happen though.

[Court Vision]

He was the 7th or 8th best player of last decade, and so far has been the 4th best player this decade, so he has his work cut out for him

http://memeorama.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/que-cat-gif.gif

[lilgodfather1]

But 1-3 isn't better than 6-0 is it?


This thread is about Lebron being the best of all time. MJ, Kareem, Magic, Russell all have +5 rings. Lebron needs that to pass them.
No but being 4-10 is better than 6-0.

[pauk]

Thats the kindof mindset i want from Lebron :applause:

[Legends66NBA7]

This isn't news. He's said this before:

http://stk.dimemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/lebron_dime47_2.jpg

[G-Funk]

He gave that opportunity when he decided to chase rings

[Indian guy]

Winning a title is nice, but with only one title you leave yourself open to the one hit wonder comments.

Yeah, I guess every great player who failed to repeat were accused of being one hit wonders :rolleyes:

Idiot.

[lilgodfather1]

Yeah, I guess every great player who failed to repeat were accused of being one hit wonders :rolleyes:

Idiot.
Name one top 10 player of all time who only has one title. :rolleyes:

Idiot.

[Indian guy]

Name one top 10 player of all time who only has one title. :rolleyes:

That's not what you said. You said he'd be a joke if he failed to REPEAT, as in winning back-to-back. I don't understand why that's important.

[pauk]

Name one top 10 player of all time who only has one title. :rolleyes:

Idiot.

Ive seen Oscar Robertson on manys top 10 list and he didnt even win that championship as "the man"... Wilt Chamberlain won only 2 and he is on GOAT discussion...

Its about the context rather than number of rings...

[plowking]

Hes as good or better than anyone in the top 10 in terms of primes, he just needs to add to his resume. Winning 4-6 titles with 7-10 finals trips will be an amazing feat. His MVP resume is already amazing in itself.
Very possible. Just like MJ hes the best at both ends of the floor in terms of perimeter players, and hes been the best in the league for a while now. Counts for something.

EDIT: Funny how if any other player said this we'd be talking about how he wants to get better and he has a great work ethic. Lebron says it and is criticized. Another day with the same bullshit on here. People pushing agendas.

[Solid Snake]

If Marty and Doc go back in time and kill Mj when he was 2 years old.. then Lebron has a chance!!


No he ****ing doesn't. The timeline splits into an alternate reality, so no, Lebron doesn't have a chance, cuz he'd be in a totally different timeline.

[coin24]

Best of all time?:roll: :roll: :roll: Good one Bronzey:lol :lol

Stick to your "clutch" passes to Haslem or Chalmers:lebroncry:

[lilgodfather1]

That's not what you said. You said he'd be a joke if he failed to REPEAT, as in winning back-to-back. I don't understand why that's important.
I meant he'll be a joke if he doesn't repeat as in back to back, which is true there will be hundreds of LeBron is a joke threads for his not 1, not 2, not 7 bs. When you said every player who failed to repeat I interpreted that as only winning one title... I guess I misread what you meant.

Still basically in order to be considered a top 10 player you need to repeat. Three of the top 10 players failed to repeat as champs Wilt, Duncan, Bird, while 7 of them at minimum repeated. 70% of the players widely regarded as the top 10 repeated at minimum. The other 30% all won two or more titles.

MJ - 2x 3 Peat
Magic - repeat
Shaq - 3 peat
Kobe - repeat/3 peat
Dream - repeat
Russell - 50 peat or something like that
KAJ - repeat

LeBron needs at minimum another title, but a repeat truly helps bring some validity to his aspirations.

[lilgodfather1]

No he ****ing doesn't. The timeline splits into an alternate reality, so no, Lebron doesn't have a chance, cuz he'd be in a totally different timeline.
Yeah not to mention MJ wouldn't be in that gang bang with Wilt, Bird, Magic, Kareem, and Gloria James that led to the conception of LeBron.

[G-Funk]

Yeah, I guess every great player who failed to repeat were accused of being one hit wonders :rolleyes:

Idiot.

Repeating is the toughest thing a team could do.

[DatAsh]

Hes as good or better than anyone in the top 10 in terms of primes, he just needs to add to his resume. Winning 4-6 titles with 7-10 finals trips will be an amazing feat. His MVP resume is already amazing in itself.
Very possible. Just like MJ hes the best at both ends of the floor in terms of perimeter players, and hes been the best in the league for a while now. Counts for something.

EDIT: Funny how if any other player said this we'd be talking about how he wants to get better and he has a great work ethic. Lebron says it and is criticized. Another day with the same bullshit on here. People pushing agendas.


You think Lebron's prime is better than that of Wilt, Jordan, or Shaq?

[Grey Dawn]

LeBron will be an absolute joke if the Heat don't repeat. Winning a title is nice, but with only one title you leave yourself open to the one hit wonder comments.

Plus, that he had to leave to join 2 other superstars to be able to win that 1st ring.

[Indian guy]

I meant he'll be a joke if he doesn't repeat as in back to back, which is true there will be hundreds of LeBron is a joke threads for his not 1, not 2, not 7 bs.

I can't imagine anyone calling LeBron a joke if he fails to win next season. Since when did repeating become a prerequisite for maintaining your status in the game? Was Bird a joke in '82? Was Magic a joke until '88? Same goes for Kareem? I don't get your logic.


Still basically in order to be considered a top 10 player you need to repeat.

Except we already have 3 players in the Top 10 who didn't repeat. And guess what, Magic and Kareem would still be Top 10 players if they failed to win in '88. Making the Top 10 for a a superstar is all about winning multiple championships, doesn't matter if you repeat or not.

[lilgodfather1]

You think Lebron's prime is better than that of Wilt, Jordan, or Shaq?
He's started out his prime pretty damn well imo. An MVP, two finals appearances in two years, FMVP. If you want to say his prime was from 08-09 - present then we are talking 3 MVP's, two finals, averages that maybe three players in NBA history have done for a single season (Oscar, Jordan, Bird), and at least another three years of this level of production. His prime could consist of 6 MVP's (if he won out, he won't), 4 titles, 4 FMVP.

Could happen this way, it's not likely, but it's not fair to say LeBron's prime hasn't matched those players when he hasn't even played half of his prime yet. A players prime is generally considered to be 26/27 - 30/31, but for transcendant players like Kobe, and Jordan (the two best wing players in history that weren't injury shortened (Bird, Magic)) their primes last until their mid 30's i.e. 33/34.

If LeBron has another 6 or 7 years at this level, or slightly below it then if you count his prime as being from when he won his first MVP we are talking almost a decade of 25/5/5 play or greater.

Considering the only players that have hit those averages for a season are widely regarded as top 5 players in the league at the time I would say his prime would be on par with anyones, and above most.

[lilgodfather1]

I can't imagine anyone calling LeBron a joke if he fails to win next season. Since when did repeating become a prerequisite for maintaining your status in the game? Was Bird a joke in '82? Was Magic a joke until '88? Same goes for Kareem? I don't get your logic.



Except we already have 3 players in the Top 10 who didn't repeat. And guess what, Magic and Kareem would still be Top 10 players if they failed to win in '88. Making the Top 10 for a a superstar is all about winning multiple championships, doesn't matter if you repeat or not.
You can't imagine it, but it will happen. If he doesn't win next year he will be the butt of every Kobe fan meme for the rest of the year. I know ISH, and ISH will make a big deal out of not repeating.

[cavsfanatic]

who don't wanna be the best of all time? at anything you do in life you should wanna be the best of all time. I don't know why people make a big deal out of common sense stuff

[coin24]

You can't imagine it, but it will happen. If he doesn't win next year he will be the butt of every Kobe fan meme for the rest of the year. I know ISH, and ISH will make a big deal out of not repeating.


This...

[coin24]

Cant wait:lol :lebroncry: :djparty :party: :party:

[KOBE143]

Ring chasing in his prime and he want to be the best of all time?

Good luck for that Bron Bron.. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[SHAQisGOAT]

If you don't have that mentality you'll never be an all time great, ijs.

[AK47DR91]

He definitely has a crack at the best SF of all time.

The best ever??? I don't see it, unless he wins 7 titles and 7 F-MVPs, and 7 MVPs.

[Sarcastic]

LeBron lost his GOAT privilege when he got outplayed by Jason Terry

[Kingwillball]

Love that mentality Bron Bron.. A Confident / Focused Lebron is a Lebron who can get in that conversation cause the physical tools are already there pretty much. Sure he can work on a few things with his game but most of Lebron's issued have always been Mental.

[SourPatchKids]

So do I. :pimp:

[BlackVVaves]

LeBron lost his GOAT privilege when he got outplayed by Jason Terry

I don't think this is a plausible reason as to why Bron can't be GOAT, but it's still an interesting point. Did MJ ever get outplayed in a NBA Finals...or playoff series period...by a player several tiers lower than him?

I think that Dallas series will be hard for Bron to wash away from the minds of non-Heat/Bron fans. He'd have to finish with more championships than Jordan (unlikely IMO) and as many MVPS as him (very likely IMO).

[Riley Martin]

No but being 4-10 is better than 6-0.

Not really. But you're expecting him to make 14 finals and win 4 titles? That seems rather unrealistic.

[ballsohard247]

If he is as driven as Kobe and Mike then he can make his way up that list if not the first though.

[Magic 32]

Let

[Legends66NBA7]

If he is as driven as Kobe and Mike then he can make his way up that list if not the first though.

Wow, a ballsohard247 sighting. :eek:

What's good my man. You've been MIA for a while.


Oh and agree with your post.

[ballsohard247]

Wow, a ballsohard247 sighting. :eek:

What's good my man. You've been MIA for a while.


Oh and agree with your post.
Been away.:cheers:

[Legends66NBA7]

Been away.:cheers:

Cool.

Good to see you around, man.

[ballsohard247]

Cool.

Good to see you around, man.
Noticed a few things havn't changed since I left. Kinda disappointing.

All good. Lakers vs Heat soon.:banana:

[Legends66NBA7]

Noticed a few things havn't changed since I left. Kinda disappointing.

All good. Lakers vs Heat soon.:banana:

Well true and some good posters have left too, but here's to a new season.

And yeah, I think that's what the people want to see since Howard and Nash joined the Lakers and Ray Allen going to the Heat. Let's see it happen.

[ripthekik]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
"I want to be the best of all time"

*joins top 3 player and all star PF* :lol

[scotty00007]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
"I want to be the best of all time"

*joins top 3 player and all star PF* :lol

Ah rip. I'd be very interested to hear your top three players, your boy Kobe must not cut it?

[ripthekik]

Ah rip. I'd be very interested to hear your top three players, your boy Kobe must not cut it?
Kobe's not my boy, so I don't really care where he stands.

in 2010 when Lebron joined the heat:
1/2. Kobe/Lebron
3. Wade

Currently:
1. Lebron
2. Durant
3. Dwight

[francesco totti]

Let him first win 6 Rings, 6 MVP Finals, and 10 Scoring Titles then talk

[cavsfanatic]

What was he supposed to say? I wanna be one of the best of all time? lol no wonder y'all troll this message board, no heart. everybody wants to be the best of all time at every single thing they do. will he be? no probably not, but nothing wrong with him wanting to be.... dumb asses

[Chrono90]

Let him first win 6 Rings, 6 MVP Finals, and 10 Scoring Titles then talk
:cheers:

[NumberSix]

Let him first win 6 Rings, 6 MVP Finals, and 10 Scoring Titles then talk
What does 10 scoring titles have to do with anything? Volume scoring isn't the automatic undisputed king of all skills. Pretty sure Allen Iverson has more scoring titles than Magic Johnson.

Dwight Howard has more DPOYs than MJ. How many scoring titles is a DPOY worth. More? Less?

[DMAVS41]

Best of all time is probably impossible at this point. He would have to do remarkable stuff to even get in the conversation with MJ...surpassing him would take another 8 years of shear dominance and probably at least 4 more titles.

He can enter the conversation for 2nd best player of all time realistically though. He'll need to add two more MVP's, 2 or 3 more rings, 2 or 3 more finals mvp's, and probably play another 7 or 8 years at an elite level.

Lebron the player already has everything you need to be considered in that 2 to 5 range. He can do everything on the basketball court on both ends and his stats are arguably the most impressive of all time. So it is just padding the rings, mvp's, and finals mvps...that all the other guys have.

Unless he falls of dramatically, Lebron should have at least another 5 elite years. And if he does do that, then he'll go down as probably at worst the 6th best player of all time.

[Vertical-24]

He's in the perfect position to take a shot at it. 27 years old and entering his prime, he's set for more rings, more MVPs all at 27/7/7. :bowdown:

He's not just entering his prime bro, he's been in his "prime" for some time now. He may be reaching his "peak" if he hasn't already however. But I agree with pretty much the rest of your post...unless Kobe McNashinpau Howard pull it out these next two years...then it might just be Durant's turn when that ship sails :(

[BMOGEFan]

Best of all time is probably impossible at this point. He would have to do remarkable stuff to even get in the conversation with MJ...surpassing him would take another 8 years of shear dominance and probably at least 4 more titles.

He can enter the conversation for 2nd best player of all time realistically though. He'll need to add two more MVP's, 2 or 3 more rings, 2 or 3 more finals mvp's, and probably play another 7 or 8 years at an elite level.

Lebron the player already has everything you need to be considered in that 2 to 5 range. He can do everything on the basketball court on both ends and his stats are arguably the most impressive of all time. So it is just padding the rings, mvp's, and finals mvps...that all the other guys have.

Unless he falls of dramatically, Lebron should have at least another 5 elite years. And if he does do that, then he'll go down as probably at worst the 6th best player of all time.

second best player of all time?

name one thing that could propel him over kareem

[tmacattack33]

:sleeping

I'm pretty sure every one of the legendary players (top 15 or so) has said this.

I mean, what the f else would they say? ....Man, when i'm done playing, i want to be known as the fourth best player of all time.

[BlackVVaves]

I think when it's all said in done, in terms of career play, achievement, and team success, Bron will end up here:

MJ
Russell
Kareem
Magic/Lebron
Lebron/Magic

I personally see Lebron finishing with 5 MVPs 3 rings, and 3 FMVPs. Enough to surpass Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, Wilt and Bird. Arguably Magic.

But I don't see him finishing better than Kareem, Russell, or Jordan. Can he? Definitely can, probably the only player that has a realistic chance to. Will he? I don't think so.

[DirtySanchez]

LeBron can't and never will be seen as the best. His flaws....1-3 in the Finals while Jordan was 6 for 6....end thread. That's all there is to it.

[NumberSix]

LeBron can't and never will be seen as the best. His flaws....1-3 in the Finals while Jordan was 6 for 6....end thread. That's all there is to it.
What does that matter?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

LeBron can't and never will be seen as the best. His flaws....1-3 in the Finals while Jordan was 6 for 6....end thread. That's all there is to it.

If he can get to more Finals playing at the level we saw last year, I don't see why this would matter.

[lilgodfather1]

LeBron can't and never will be seen as the best. His flaws....1-3 in the Finals while Jordan was 6 for 6....end thread. That's all there is to it.
Lol this is the dumbest thing that keeps being posted continuously. If he wins 5 more titles that means he is 6-2 in the finals, which is better than 6-0 because that means he made the finals more times. If he wins 3 more titles, and makes 6 more finals we are talking a 4-5 record. That might not be better than 6-0, but making 9 finals is a pretty fantastic achievement.

[TheeBeast]

LeBron can't and never will be seen as the best. His flaws....1-3 in the Finals while Jordan was 6 for 6....end thread. That's all there is to it.

That's not true.. He still has the time to get 5+ more championships and go down as the 2nd greatest.

[DMAVS41]

second best player of all time?

name one thing that could propel him over kareem

what do you mean...name one thing?

you really think 5 mvp's, 4 rings, and 4 finals mvp's with Lebron's numbers over a 16 plus year career doesn't put him right there with Kareem?

[tmacattack33]

LeBron can't and never will be seen as the best. His flaws....1-3 in the Finals while Jordan was 6 for 6....end thread. That's all there is to it.

Terrible logic. Almost so terrible that i don't think anyone who says something like this should be allowed to talk about GOAT lists because it shows their whole judgement is off base.

Under the logic you used there, it would have been better for Lebron to have lost against Detroit in 2007 (or even in a series prior to that, or even to have not made the playoffs at all), then to beat them and lose in the Finals to the Spurs. Which is obviously wrong.

I agree that Lebron probably won't reach MJ's level, but it not based on such ridiculous logic.

[magnax1]

Lebron is never going to be the best ever, because he's just not close to making the impact that Jordan did. I haven't seen anything that would convince me he's more impactful then Shaq was, let alone Jordan.

[NumberSix]

Terrible logic. Almost so terrible that i don't think anyone who says something like this should be allowed to talk about GOAT lists because it shows their whole judgement is off base.

Under the logic you used there, it would have been better for Lebron to have lost against Detroit in 2007 (or even in a series prior to that, or even to have not made the playoffs at all), then to beat them and lose in the Finals to the Spurs. Which is obviously wrong.

I agree that Lebron probably won't reach MJ's level, but it not based on such ridiculous logic.
Hold on there buddy. We all know that in any competition, 2nd place is the worst you can possibly do.

1st place - you're awesome
3rd place - the best you can do after 1st place
4th and 5th - still pretty good
6th and 7th - you're getting good
Not placing at all - respectable
2nd place - disgraceful. Worst possible result. Forever marked with shame.

I mean, this is pretty air tight logic. EVERYBODY knows this. Smarten up. :oldlol:

[Legends66NBA7]

What does 10 scoring titles have to do with anything? Volume scoring isn't the automatic undisputed king of all skills.

Jordan is an efficient scorer, not volume.

And it's more that he raised his scoring (as well as rebounding and assists) in the playoffs and finals, that make his case for the GOAT even more understandable

[TheMarkMadsen]

Hold on there buddy. We all know that in any competition, 2nd place is the worst you can possibly do.

1st place - you're awesome
3rd place - the best you can do after 1st place
4th and 5th - still pretty good
6th and 7th - you're getting good
Not placing at all - respectable
2nd place - disgraceful. Worst possible result. Forever marked with shame.

I mean, this is pretty air tight logic. EVERYBODY knows this. Smarten up. :oldlol:


7>>>>3 :cheers:

[pauk]

LeBron can't and never will be seen as the best. His flaws....1-3 in the Finals while Jordan was 6 for 6....end thread. That's all there is to it.

That is just stupid, i hope you realise that... Lebron went to those 3 Finals younger than Jordan did (and with less of an overall supporting cast compared to those 6 finals teams of Jordan, especially that 1st Finals team Lebron had).... ok if you are bashing his 2011 Finals but the one team he went to the Finals with in 2007? Trying to degrade that is like trying to degrade the Fiat Punto driver for coming 2nd in a Formula 1 race... based on what he had to work with its a huge accomplishment, the team Lebron took to that Finals in 2007 might be the worst team to ever be in a Finals (and while being 21-22, Jordan was only a rookie at that age).. its the type of a feat Jordan was not able to do in his career as great as he was... just being fair..

[shaq2000]

Do you guys think LeBron wears his headband during sex?

[NumberSix]

Do you guys think LeBron wears his headband during sex?
Yes...... Around his dick. :roll:

[DMAVS41]

That is just stupid, i hope you realise that... Lebron went to those 3 Finals younger than Jordan did (and with less of an overall supporting cast compared to those 6 finals teams of Jordan, especially that 1st Finals team Lebron had).... ok if you are bashing his 2011 Finals but the one team he went to the Finals with in 2007? Trying to degrade that is like trying to degrade the Fiat Punto driver for coming 2nd in a Formula 1 race... based on what he had to work with its a huge accomplishment, the team Lebron took to that Finals in 2007 might be the worst team to ever be in a Finals (and while being 21-22, Jordan was only a rookie at that age).. its the type of a feat Jordan was not able to do in his career as great as he was... just being fair..

Nobody with a brain sees 07 as anything but a huge accomplishment.

The 11 Finals will forever remain as a serious blackmark on Lebron's career...and rightfully so. That is honestly why Lebron will never get legit debate with MJ...because anyone supporting MJ would simply say..."never in a million years would MJ go out like that in the finals in his prime playing against a much worse team...and choke in crunch time every game"

You know I love Dirk, but there is noway in hell that Dirk could have ever outplayed MJ in the finals during MJ's prime. Never...and the fact that Dirk destroyed Lebron like he did is really the nail in the coffin.

But that is just Jordan....and probably Russell as well for me. But after that, everyone is fair game...and I wouldn't be surprised if Lebron ended up in my top 3 to 5 all time.

[magnax1]

I don't know why the 11 finals would be a blackmark and not 07. Sure, you could say people didn't expect him in the finals, but he still played as bad relative to his regular season play in the finals in 07 as he did in 11. Arguably worse even.

[DMAVS41]

I don't know why the 11 finals would be a blackmark and not 07. Sure, you could say people didn't expect him in the finals, but he still played as bad relative to his regular season play in the finals in 07 as he did in 11. Arguably worse even.

Because they were huge underdogs and Lebron was not in his prime..etc. Just not the same at all.

[kNicKz]

If he brought championships to Cleveland he would have been ranked higher, the decision taints his legacy and if he goes to LA in 2 years he'll go down as a straight up ring chaser. On the court he is such a beast but he's sus. The flopping drops him in rank for me personally but idk about the general masses

[pauk]

Nobody with a brain sees 07 as anything but a huge accomplishment.

The 11 Finals will forever remain as a serious blackmark on Lebron's career...and rightfully so. That is honestly why Lebron will never get legit debate with MJ...because anyone supporting MJ would simply say..."never in a million years would MJ go out like that in the finals in his prime playing against a much worse team...and choke in crunch time every game"

You know I love Dirk, but there is noway in hell that Dirk could have ever outplayed MJ in the finals during MJ's prime. Never...and the fact that Dirk destroyed Lebron like he did is really the nail in the coffin.

But that is just Jordan....and probably Russell as well for me. But after that, everyone is fair game...and I wouldn't be surprised if Lebron ended up in my top 3 to 5 all time.

How do you know that when Jordan never was in that situation Lebron was? Lebron came to a completely new team accompanied with two new superstars and new offensive system & role, forced to play completely out of his usual role and comfort zone while he and his teammates were going thru a long process of figuring out how to complement eachother out there and not bottleneck eachother. Lots of chemistry problems... Who should take the last shot? Who should be the 1st option? Who is the leader? I am the best player here, no i am, no i am.... my turn, your turn offense... And so on...

It was a process Jordan never had to face.... and it hit Lebron at the worst time, Lebron didnt play bad... he was disoriented, confused, frustrated (and he played angry, unfocused with all the crap that was going that year and that he took that year)... to make things worse Wade who played 2nd fiddle that entire year all of the sudden turned Lebron into a 2nd fiddle instead in the Finals with his words "I am the leader of this team, it starts with me", thats what Wade said after Game 1 in the press conference when Lebron sat next to him, he didnt fully give Lebron the greenlight/1st option he verbally gave to him in 2012 and did you see the result after that?.... he was not allowed to be LEBRON fully that year... and as unselfish as we all know Lebron is, it played a negative role especially in Finals due to all of this (he was as passive as i never seen him before and took the least amount of FG Attempts ive ever seen him take in a series)

All this combined, was the result to Lebrons 2011 Finals output... on the other end Mavs were playing out of their mind (especially Dirk who had an all-time great playoff performance)... its not as simple as "Lebron choked"...

Now, how would Jordan be in that situation where he was not been allowed to fully play like the JORDAN he was those previous years? Would he ignore the new teammates, new role, coachs strategy, would he just alienate everybody & everything just do be himself? Because... "There is no i in team, but there is i in win"...? Would they have won if he did that? We never know....

[sixerfan82]

Odd statement to make.

How is asking LeBron to win a ring on a team that isn't the Heat(as we understand it today) an odd statement?

If he spent as much time working on basketball instead of his interviewing he might get there :)

[SpecialQue]

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Yes?

[LBJFTW]

How can Lebron expect to be the best of all time when the possibility of having a perfect finals run is no longer possible? Best of all time goes to the man who is 6 for 6 in finals appearances with 6 fmvp to go along with it. A hard pill for Bron to swallow, but it is what it is.

[All Net]

How is asking LeBron to win a ring on a team that isn't the Heat(as we understand it today) an odd statement?

If he spent as much time working on basketball instead of his interviewing he might get there :)

Why would he need to be on another team and win a title? You act like he is for certain not the best player on his team.

[sixerfan82]

Why would he need to be on another team and win a title? You act like he is for certain not the best player on his team.

I'm not disagreeing with that, I guess what I'm saying is...

deal with the hand your dealt, and he didn't.

[Boomerang]

No, there's nothing wrong with a 1-3 record in the finals.
What's wrong, is HOW he lost in his finals. That will leave a blackmark on his resume, no matter what. What would also be wrong would be 1-4, 1-5, etc. But let's hope it doesn't come to that.

[Segatti]

Lebron will never pass Kobe Bryant, the best player of all time.

Kobe is the best offensive player of all time (highest scoring game: 81 points), much better defender in his prime, slightly worse passer but that's all.

[longtime lurker]

Lebron will never pass Kobe Bryant, the best player of all time.

Kobe is the best offensive player of all time (highest scoring game: 81 points), much better defender in his prime, slightly worse passer but that's all.

:facepalm just stop already.

[RRR3]

:facepalm just stop already.
:applause:
Kobe143 logged into wrong account? Think that guy might not even like Kobe tbqh

[maybeshewill13]

Lebron will never pass Kobe Bryant, the best player of all time.

Kobe is the best offensive player of all time (highest scoring game: 81 points), much better defender in his prime, slightly worse passer but that's all.

Saved for later, will neg.

[Segatti]

You guys should stop with the anti Kobe/Lakers agenda :lol

[TheBigVeto]

I suggest winning a ring not on the heat then :)

This. If he had won the first ring with the Cavs, he's on his way (although it will be a very long journey and jury is still out if he will ever reach his destination).

But he joined the Heat and shot that possibility dead in the head.