Who's going to be better? Andre Drummond or Anthony Davis?

[Derivative]

Both players look incredibly promising.



BTW the detroit piston's frontcourt will be a beast in the future.

[JohnnySic]

Drummund has the tools to excel in the NBA. Davis is a player who dominates in college and comes up flat in the league.

[Go Getter]

Drummund has the tools to excel in the NBA. Davis is a player who dominates in college and comes up flat in the league.
Yeah because defensive centers like Chandler, Camby, Mutumbo, etc, never do well.



The kid Davis is very talented, just because he doesn't make fancy dunks and act like a dool he's gonna bust?



I mean a one and done championship year must be a bad sign then huh?

[chips93]

davis will be better, but drummond might have just as much potential

[kumquat]

Davis, not even a question.

[JohnnySic]

Yeah because defensive centers like Chandler, Camby, Mutumbo, etc, never do well.



The kid Davis is very talented, just because he doesn't make fancy dunks and act like a dool he's gonna bust?



I mean a one and done championship year must be a bad sign then huh?
I dont think Davis will bust but I dont think he's a "#1 pick" either.

[miles berg]

Andre Drummond will end up being better.

[iDunkOreo]

It's hard to conceptualize Davis's potential because dude could play 3 positions in the league(3,4, and 5). If he chooses to not bulk up too much and his jumper improves, he could be nightmare at the 3, and if he bulks up, he could rotate between the 4 and 5 depending on the matchup and own the boards and the paint. The potential is unlimited in my eyes.
I've always like Drummond. Crazy long arms, good build, and great athleticism. His potential on defense is on par with Davis', but he is super raw on the offensive side. If he develops a mid-range and some post moves, dude will be one of the most dominant bigs in the game.
If I had to pick one though, I'd go Davis due to the fact that he could be one of those players that transcend the traditional positions in basketball.

[#number6ix#]

I'ma go with Drummond on this one he already has a nba body great footwork a high motor super athletic and just as good a blocking shots as Davis

Both are gonna b good Drummond is just gonna be better

[ChuckOakley]

Why is this a question? One will be ROY, a staple at the ASG, perhaps some MVPs and seems like a HOF lock. One will not.

Either way l learn a lot more about posters than players in threads like this.

[iDunkOreo]

Davis is a player who dominates in college and comes up flat in the league.
What has told you the has will come up flat in the league? He played well in a reserve role in the Olympics and has been good in the preseason.

[raprap]

Both will be allstars, but i gotta go with the better prospect Anthony Davis

[Dbrog]

This is much tougher than I originally expected. I was almost sure Drummond was gonna be a scrub in the NBA but his whole demeanor on the court has changed from college. It's kinda crazy but cool to see. I actually think he has higher potential than Davis. Ya I said it. I think he doesn't necessarily need a huge offensive game since he is just so big (like Shaq). Now, I'm not saying he will be Shaq, but I think he could be what Greg Oden was supposed to be. If he does that, he'll be the only big with true anchor ability and high athleticism/height combo. Basically a bigger Dwight. Will he actually reach this? I still doubt it.

Keep in mind I think very highly of Davis. I've seen real flashes of KG which I originally thought was just a pipe dream. He's gonna be the real deal. League better watch out for both of these guys.

[Fudge]

Drummund has the tools to excel in the NBA. Davis is a player who dominates in college and comes up flat in the league.
Dumbass alert. :oldlol:

[Clippersfan86]

Drummond. I still stand by Davis being a Camby/Chandler type NOT a KG type. I think he will win a DPOY or two and maybe a couple rebounding titles but Drummond has a chance to become a much more dominant all around player IMO.

[copper]

potential is such a 4 letter word. I think Drummond has a much higher potential ceiling than Davis, I see Davis somewhere between Camby and KG but closer to Camby. I see Drummand closer to a larger McDyess I dont think he'll have any problem averaging a double double with a block and a half a game. Hes been close to that in about 16-18 minutes a game in the preseason. Both will help their teams, but Drummond will have a greater impact on games. Nice to see Dumars hit on a draft pick again

[FPJ]

Preseason was impresive for Andre. Davis is a very good player also. It doesnt matter how good they look right now since they're both pretty raw. It will be interesting to see how they develop on their teams. In my opinion, Andre has better odds to develop in Detroit but only time will tell, right now we can only speculate and it can go each way, easily.

[tikay0]

The dude's gonna be a beast!!!! My vote goes to Andre Drummond!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_7vKFDchI4

LMAO at totally shitting on Charlie Villanueva!!!

[Rekindled]

anthony davis is there in every draft, skinny guy with long arms

drummond is a freak of nature, to be that big 300+lbs and move like a guard, last one i can remember was shaq that can move like this.

[fsvr54]

Drummond.

[lilgodfather1]

These two have insane potential, but IF (big if) Drummond reaches his potential then he will definately be better than Davis if (smaller if) he reaches his full potential.

Drummond is boom or bust, Davis is boom or above average. That's one of the reasons I think Davis will be better realistically speaking, but if Drummond ever sniffs his true potential then he will likely be the best player in the NBA, where as if Davis ever hits his full potential then he will be a top 5 player.

May not seem like a big difference, but we're talking about the difference between LeBron, and Westbrook.

[dzav323]

AD's statline from last night- 24pts 11rbs 3stls 1blk and only 1 foul. Kid hardly has any postgame and has an inconsistent jump shot. He's only 19. Give him a couple years to develop a post game and a jumper and its no contest who will be better.

[Clippersfan86]

AD's statline from last night- 24pts 11rbs 3stls 1blk and only 1 foul. Kid hardly has any postgame and has an inconsistent jump shot. He's only 19. Give him a couple years to develop a post game and a jumper and its no contest who will be better.

He also let Bosh go off for a similar stat line so nothing to right home about for the supposedly elite post defender. All bigs go off on Miami's undersized front court.

[veilside23]

without if's davis for me ... with if's drummong :)

[Clippersfan86]

The dude's gonna be a beast!!!! My vote goes to Andre Drummond!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_7vKFDchI4

LMAO at totally shitting on Charlie Villanueva!!!

Wow great mix! I truly believe that Drummond has a chance to be the next truly dominant center (better than Howard). He has great hands, foot work and athleticism that are extremely hard to come by for a center his size. Cousins is similarly skilled but Drummond seems to have a significantly better attitude and more athleticism plus he's still growing.

[alenleomessi]

hard to tell
davis is definitely the safer pick but drummond potential is basically amare+all nba D... how scary is that?

[embersyc]

Wow, Pistons fan here and I can't believe so many people are saying Drummond. Don't get me wrong I love the guy and have all the hopes in the world he will live up to the hype, but Anthony Davis seems like such a sure thing to me. He looked like he fit in great on the Olympic Squad.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Why is this a question? One will be ROY, a staple at the ASG, perhaps some MVPs and seems like a HOF lock. One will not.

Either way l learn a lot more about posters than players in threads like this.


One of the stupidest things I have ever read here

[Clippersfan86]

One of the stupidest things I have ever read here

Oakley is a nice guy but I agree this post is terrible. Sure fire HOFer, perennial all stars and MVP's? Wow talk about a hype train for a player who wasn't even truly dominant on any level.

[lilgodfather1]

Wow, Pistons fan here and I can't believe so many people are saying Drummond. Don't get me wrong I love the guy and have all the hopes in the world he will live up to the hype, but Anthony Davis seems like such a sure thing to me. He looked like he fit in great on the Olympic Squad.
Davis is definately as close to a sure thing in any draft you can hope for, but Drummond's potential is just so overwhelming that if he ever reaches it there will hardly be a player close to him in impact. Hopefully he does the NBA needs some talent at C. I hope Davis hits his as well because that would be an awesome battle in the finals. Bring back the C!!!!!!!!

[LoneyROY7]

AD just did 24 and 11 on Lebron and the Heat. There's a reason he was the number 1 pick.

[Clippersfan86]

I honestly can't wait for Davis to be exposed. People are going so overboard with the hype it's ridiculous. Dude played on a LOADED team last year... he didn't carry his team to a title like people are suggesting. I mean his teammate was the 2nd pick in the draft FFS! 3 of his teammates were selected in the 1st round.

Camby 2.0 absolutely NOT this HOF caliber player people are talking. Hell maybe he will be Mutumbo 2.0 and become the greatest shot blocker that ever played the game but he will never be a 20/10 type player like people are acting like.

[Clippersfan86]

AD just did 24 and 11 on Lebron and the Heat. There's a reason he was the number 1 pick.

He also let Bosh go off on him too and remember the Heat's frontcourt is so pathetic that they start Battier at PF. No offense to Miami fans because the team is favored to repeat but it's because of their elite 1-3's. Their frontcourt is crap so Davis beating up on them doesn't mean crap.

[lilgodfather1]

He also let Bosh go off on him too and remember the Heat's frontcourt is so pathetic that they start Battier at PF. No offense to Miami fans because the team is favored to repeat but it's because of their elite 1-3's. Their frontcourt is crap so Davis beating up on them doesn't mean crap.
Bullshit. LeBron is the best player in the entire NBA, and Bosh is an all star. The Heat may not have the best front court in the NBA, but it is certainly one of them. I can't think off hand which team has a better front court than the Heat, so if you would enlighten me.

[Derivative]

Bullshit. LeBron is the best player in the entire NBA, and Bosh is an all star. The Heat may not have the best front court in the NBA, but it is certainly one of them. I can't think off hand which team has a better front court than the Heat, so if you would enlighten me.


lakers is better

Lebron >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Artest
Battier <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Gasol
Bosh <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Howard

[lilgodfather1]

lakers is better

Lebron >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Artest
Battier <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Gasol
Bosh <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Howard
Battier =/= Artest
LeBron > Dwight
Bosh > Gasol

Heat are better :confusedshrug:

[Clippersfan86]

Bullshit. LeBron is the best player in the entire NBA, and Bosh is an all star. The Heat may not have the best front court in the NBA, but it is certainly one of them. I can't think off hand which team has a better front court than the Heat, so if you would enlighten me.

Sorry the Heat's center position is PATHETIC. Better? Bottom line is it's not hard to score on Bosh or Haslem. DeAndre Jordan dropped 18 points on them last week in 23 minutes :confusedshrug: . Everybody knows their Achilles heel is in the paint, so stop being a cry baby about it. When I say frontcourt I'm not being literal and including SF's because obviously I know about Lebron. I'm talking about in the paint and I can name at least 15+ teams better.

Jazz (Jefferson, Millsap, Kanter, Favors)
Lakers (Dwight, Gasol and Hill)
Grizzlies (Zbo and Gasol)
Clippers (Griffin and DJ)
Warriors (Bogut and Lee)
Suns (Scola and Gortat)
Mavs (Kaman, Dirk and Brand)
Pacers (Hibbert and West)
Nets (Lopez and Humphries)
Bulls (Noah and Boozer)
Wolves (Love and Pekovic)
Knicks (Chandler and Amare)
Kings (Robinson and Cousins)


Honestly I had to stop because it's just too easy. How about you find some teams that AREN'T better than Miami's big man starters/rotation of Battier, Bosh and Haslem. If you can't admit that's weak as ****, you're in denial.

[LoneyROY7]

He also let Bosh go off on him too and remember the Heat's frontcourt is so pathetic that they start Battier at PF. No offense to Miami fans because the team is favored to repeat but it's because of their elite 1-3's. Their frontcourt is crap so Davis beating up on them doesn't mean crap.

LOLwut?

Elite 1-3's? Mario Chalmers is elite? :oldlol:

I wouldn't consider any front-court with Chris Bosh as "pathetic" or "crap".

There must be some Clipper agenda involved with you disliking Davis...are you worried he'll surpass Blake?

[Clippersfan86]

LOLwut?

Elite 1-3's? Mario Chalmers is elite?

I wouldn't consider any front-court with Chris Bosh as "pathetic" or "crap".

There must be come Clipper agenda involved with you disliking Davis...are you worried he'll surpass Blake?

No just sick of ridiculous comments like "HOF" "Perennial all star" when the guy hasn't played a single game. Bosh is Miami's entire big man rotation which is among the worst in basketball. You're right... PG is another weakness although Chalmers is a very capable PG.

[Rubio2Gasol]

The lower body Stength and just smooth all around athleticism this kid Drummond has at such a young age posits some great potential.

It's up to him to work hard, understand the game better and work individually and he can be dominant.

We Know Davis is going to work hard so he's the logical answer.

[brandonislegend]

Why do you guys try to argue with trolls? Just ignore it and continue the thread. Anthony Davis will be a better player, he has all the tools to become the next great bigman.

[copper]

funny watching the mix, thnx for that by the way. what impresses me is that was in a handful of preseason games averaging 15-18 minutes. He already seems to have shit on the draft analysts. He has barely scratched his potential and already looks dominant at times at 19. I really hope both of these kids reach their full potential and they have a center rivalry for years to come.

[dbk123]

I honestly can't wait for Davis to be exposed. People are going so overboard with the hype it's ridiculous. Dude played on a LOADED team last year... he didn't carry his team to a title like people are suggesting. I mean his teammate was the 2nd pick in the draft FFS! 3 of his teammates were selected in the 1st round.

Camby 2.0 absolutely NOT this HOF caliber player people are talking. Hell maybe he will be Mutumbo 2.0 and become the greatest shot blocker that ever played the game but he will never be a 20/10 type player like people are acting like.


lol ur just mad over the fact that nba gms said that anthony davis will be better than blake griffin. sit ur ass down son

[Clippersfan86]

lol ur just mad over the fact that nba gms said that anthony davis will be better than blake griffin. sit ur ass down son

:facepalm no I'm just sick of people acting like dude is the next Jordan. Let's see him play at least 20-30 games before declaring him a hall of famer or perennial all star please.

[dbk123]

:facepalm no I'm just sick of people acting like dude is the next Jordan. Let's see him play at least 20-30 games before declaring him a hall of famer or perennial all star please.

:facepalm no I'm just sick of people acting like the dude wont be great. Let's see him play at least 20-30 games before declaring him a camby please.

[Clippersfan86]

:facepalm no I'm just sick of people acting like the dude wont be great. Let's see him play at least 20-30 games before declaring him a camby please.

You forget that Camby won defensive player of the year and has been one of the best rebounders and shotblockers in the league for most of his career as well as an all star? I think he will be a bit better than Camby but nowhere near peak KG like people are claiming.

People need to stop acting like Camby is some sort of chump comparison. I'm not definitively saying he will be anything but it's much more logical to assume the worst than the best case scenario when it comes to professional athletes. Very few actually hit expectations.

[dbk123]

You forget that Camby won defensive player of the year and has been one of the best rebounders and shotblockers in the league for most of his career as well as an all star? I think he will be a bit better than Camby but nowhere near peak KG like people are claiming.

People need to stop acting like Camby is some sort of chump comparison. I'm not definitively saying he will be anything but it's much more logical to assume the worst than the best case scenario when it comes to professional athletes. Very few actually hit expectations.
:facepalm no I'm just sick of people acting like the dude wont be great. Let's see him play at least 20-30 games before declaring him a camby please.

[Clippersfan86]

:facepalm no I'm just sick of people acting like the dude wont be great. Let's see him play at least 20-30 games before declaring him a camby please.

So let him play 30 games before declaring him a DPOY winner and all star who led the league in blocks and rebounds a few times? Yes... I agree that's extremely insulting :biggums: . If you want to be technical we can just as easily say he will be Sammy Dalembert 2.0 for all we know.

[dbk123]

So let him play 30 games before declaring him a DPOY winner and all star who led the league in blocks and rebounds a few times? Yes... I agree that's extremely insulting :biggums: . If you want to be technical we can just as easily say he will be Sammy Dalembert 2.0 for all we know.


anthony davis will be better then blake griffin. that is all. goodbye clippersfag

[Clippersfan86]

anthony davis will be better then blake griffin. that is all. goodbye clippersfag

Yup... I agree he will be better than prime KG too! :oldlol:

[dbk123]

Yup... I agree he will be better than prime KG too! :oldlol:


so ur saying blake griffin is better than prime kg? :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[Clippersfan86]

so ur saying blake griffin is better than prime kg? :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

No... I'm saying Davis will be! Davis will finish 6 on the all time list when it's said and done.

[brandonislegend]

Just curious what do you think Blake griffin will be better at then Anthony Davis when they are both in their prime? He already is 3x the defender griffin is and has a 2x better jumpshot and can hit free throws and can handle the ball better.

[Clippersfan86]

Just curious what do you think Blake griffin will be better at then Anthony Davis when they are both in their prime? He already is 3x the defender griffin is and has a 2x better jumpshot and can hit free throws and can handle the ball better.

So you think as a rookie Davis will be better? Considering most agree Griffin is the best rookie since Duncan or Lebron you guys are basically declaring him a sure fire HOF and rookie all star. Any of you guys wanna get some ban bets going with me because I'm down.

If Davis makes the all star team this year or puts up 20/10/3+ I'll give my account to the first person to take the bet. Griffin is the only player in the NBA the last 2 seasons to put up those numbers. Also Griffin's shot and defense looks significantly improved. He will never be a gifted defender like Davis but Davis will also likely never score 22+ ppg like Griffin will for most of his career.

[brandonislegend]

What will Griffin do better?

Davis has better post game

Better jumpshot

Way better defender

Handles like a guard

Has very high bball IQ

what can Griffin do better? dunk?

Thats why people are saying he has incredible potential because most big man don't have that mixture in skill/talent.

[Grinder]

So you think as a rookie Davis will be better? Considering most agree Griffin is the best rookie since Duncan or Lebron you guys are basically declaring him a sure fire HOF and rookie all star. Any of you guys wanna get some ban bets going with me because I'm down.

If Davis makes the all star team this year or puts up 20/10/3+ I'll give my account to the first person to take the bet. Griffin is the only player in the NBA the last 2 seasons to put up those numbers. Also Griffin's shot and defense looks significantly improved. He will never be a gifted defender like Davis but Davis will also likely never score 22+ ppg like Griffin will for most of his career.

He said in their primes. Griffin was also 21 as a rookie and had a year to sit and learn what goes on behind the scenes in the NBA. Davis won't average those numbers this year or the next because he's 19 years old and doesn't have an NBA ready body or a half decent point guard to give him easy looks. Baron may have been washed up when Blake was a rookie but he was still an excellent passer.

He'll probably end up being better than Blake and I say this as a big fan of Blake.

Edit: As for the question in the title of this thread - Davis will be better. I like what Dre's shown in the preseason and of course he has monster potential but so does Davis and he'll be ready to contribute from day 1. Dre really, really needs to improve his free throw shooting and stop attempting so many fadeaways in the post and take it strong to the rim. His motor needs work as well BUT if he can get those things started out...look out Eastern conference big men.

[Clippersfan86]

Clearly a bait thread. Rather than arguing I'm bookmarking this thread so I can troll the shit out of you later in the season.

[brandonislegend]

Clearly a bait thread. Rather than arguing I'm bookmarking this thread so I can troll the shit out of you later in the season.

You troll the shit out of everyone, everyday of the year. And we are talking about in their primes, why are you talking about later in the season?

[Clippersfan86]

He said in their primes. Griffin was also 21 as a rookie and had a year to sit and learn what goes on behind the scenes in the NBA. Davis won't average those numbers this year or the next because he's 19 years old and doesn't have an NBA ready body or a half decent point guard to give him easy looks. Baron may have been washed up when Blake was a rookie but he was still an excellent passer.

He'll probably end up being better than Blake and I say this as a big fan of Blake.

Again... not a fan of saying a player that hasn't played a single NBA game will be better than future HOF players. It's insulting. I'm supposedly the biggest homer here and I don't do crap like that with rookies. I never declared Griffin anything until I saw him play about 20 games and realized DAMN this is no fluke.

The same skill set Davis is praised for, Griffin is not given enough credit for. Both played PG in HS and I guarantee you Griffin would school Davis in any tests of athleticism, agility, ballhandling, passing drills you name it and he has a much bigger frame to go with that and is one of the strongest players in the league.

[IGOTGAME]

What will Griffin do better?

Davis has better post game

Better jumpshot

Way better defender

Handles like a guard

Has very high bball IQ

what can Griffin do better? dunk?

Thats why people are saying he has incredible potential because most big man don't have that mixture in skill/talent.

You have been drinking the kool aid. He will be better than griffin but he can't shoot and he can't handle like a guard.

[brandonislegend]

He played point guard in high school? (2 years ago)

[Clippersfan86]

He played point guard in high school? (2 years ago)

I know Griffin did and yes I believe I heard that Davis was a PG/SG who grew 7 or 8 inches in one year. I think he has an awesome skill set and I want to like him but now from the other side of it I think I'm understanding why people turned on Griffin. People got sick of the media and hype being shoved down their throats. All this Davis hype wants to make me turn on him the same way....

[Grinder]

Again... not a fan of saying a player that hasn't played a single NBA game will be better than future HOF players. It's insulting. I'm supposedly the biggest homer here and I don't do crap like that with rookies. I never declared Griffin anything until I saw him play about 20 games and realized DAMN this is no fluke.

The same skill set Davis is praised for, Griffin is not given enough credit for. Both played PG in HS and I guarantee you Griffin would school Davis in any tests of athleticism, agility, ballhandling, passing drills you name it and he has a much bigger frame to go with that.

Blake is far superior athletically than Davis - I don't anyone is arguing that. What Davis (7'5.5" wingspan) has on Blake (6'11" wingspan) is length and incredible timing which allow him to be amazing on the defensive end. Blake's defense right now is mediocre at best and his shot blocking is a lot worse than you'd expect from a guy with his leaping ability. Not only does Davis block shots in the paint, he blocks more jumpers than anyone I've seen and he keeps them in play and helps ignite the fast break which very few players can do.

Another thing Davis already has on Blake is a better shot and FT% which is important for any big man that plays primarily in the paint. I think you're looking far too much into the hall of fame comparisons, he might be, he might not be but it's always fun to speculate. Look, I didn't buy the Davis hype and kept looking for reasons not to until midway through his season at Kentucky when he would blow me away with the things he did on the court and I just couldn't find many things to criticize about his game.

[brandonislegend]

Blake is far superior athletically than Davis - I don't anyone is arguing that. What Davis (7'5.5" wingspan) has on Blake (6'11" wingspan) is length and incredible timing which allow him to be amazing on the defensive end. Blake's defense right now is mediocre at best and his shot blocking is a lot worse than you'd expect from a guy with his leaping ability. Not only does Davis block shots in the paint, he blocks more jumpers than anyone I've seen and he keeps them in play and helps ignite the fast break which very few players can do.

Another thing Davis already has on Blake is a better shot and FT% which is important for any big man that plays primarily in the paint. I think you're looking far too much into the hall of fame comparisons, he might be, he might not be but it's always fun to speculate. Look, I didn't buy the Davis hype and kept looking for reasons not to until midway through his season at Kentucky when he would blow me away with the things he did on the court and I just couldn't find many things to criticize about his game.

D Wade averages almost twice as many blocks as Blake Griffin.

[IGOTGAME]

He played point guard in high school? (2 years ago)
No he didn't. 2 years ago, his senior year, he played forward/center. He played pg when he was younger. Regardless, right now he can't dribble like a guard. And all that matters is right now.

Davis is gonna be really good but people were going crazy on the praise to early on. Comparisons to Duncan. Too much to early. He may be a 12 time all star, those comparisons to Duncan would prob still be silly. He doesn't have. a post game at all right now. He cold improve, it let's just not assume its gonna happen.

[Clippersfan86]

Blake is far superior athletically than Davis - I don't anyone is arguing that. What Davis (7'5.5" wingspan) has on Blake (6'11" wingspan) is length and incredible timing which allow him to be amazing on the defensive end. Blake's defense right now is mediocre at best and his shot blocking is a lot worse than you'd expect from a guy with his leaping ability. Not only does Davis block shots in the paint, he blocks more jumpers than anyone I've seen and he keeps them in play and helps ignite the fast break which very few players can do.

Another thing Davis already has on Blake is a better shot and FT% which is important for any big man that plays primarily in the paint. I think you're looking far too much into the hall of fame comparisons, he might be, he might not be but it's always fun to speculate.

Griffin's actually become a solid defender and this preseason has been well above average. Not deserving of the title "good" or "above average" in general until he proves it more but definitely not worthy of "terrible" or "mediocre". Remember the Clippers best defensive units all had Griffin in them believe it or not, not Kenyon or Reggie. Griffin doesn't have the length to block shots at a high rate but he can become a great man defender with his skill set.

That being said Griffin will never be an elite defender like Davis will. Just like Davis will never be the 25 ppg scorer Griffin will likely become. Have you gotten to see Griffin's new shot lately? His jumper has been fantastic and his free throw shooting started off rough but finished preseason shooting like 13 of 16 beautiful shots. His shooting coach said he's improved more in 2 months than Jason Kidd did in 2 years with him.

[brandonislegend]

Griffin's actually become a solid defender and this preseason has been well above average. Not deserving of the title "good" or "above average" in general until he proves it more but definitely not worthy of "terrible" or "mediocre". Remember the Clippers best defensive units all had Griffin in them believe it or not, not Kenyon or Reggie. Griffin doesn't have the length to block shots at a high rate but he can become a great man defender with his skill set.

That being said Griffin will never be an elite defender like Davis will. Just like Davis will never be the 25 ppg scorer Griffin will likely become. Have you gotten to see Griffin's new shot lately? His jumper has been fantastic and his free throw shooting started off rough but finished preseason shooting like 13 of 16 beautiful shots. His shooting coach said he's improved more in 2 months than Jason Kidd did in 2 years with him.

How's his ft shooting this preseason

[Clippersfan86]

How's his ft shooting this preseason

Like I said... started off terrible first 3 games or so, finished very strong. Which is to be expected when you completely rebuild your shot. I did keep track of his last 3 games from midrange too. He shot 3-6 last game vs Jazz from midrange, 3-4 vs the Lakers and 4-5 vs the Nuggets the other day. As I said his jumper has been awesome and surprisingly good. He put up 25, 11 and 3 the other day in 26 minutes.

[brandonislegend]

Like I said... started off terrible first 3 games or so, finished very strong. Which is to be expected when you completely rebuild your shot. I did keep track of his last 3 games from midrange too. He shot 3-6 last game vs Jazz from midrange, 3-4 vs the Lakers and 4-5 vs the Nuggets the other day. As I said his jumper has been awesome and surprisingly good. He put up 25, 11 and 3 the other day in 26 minutes.
Ok.

[Whoah10115]

Clearly a bait thread. Rather than arguing I'm bookmarking this thread so I can troll the shit out of you later in the season.



Don't try to bank on something that's unlikely. Regardless of the season Davis has (and he'll have a good one).



I don't really watch college ball like that, but I do catch some. This is the best defender I've seen come out of college. That's not an exaggeration. He very much dominated at the college level.


MKG was the #2 pick in the draft. He probably should not have been and probably would not have been if not for the team and for Davis leading the way.

[Clippersfan86]

Don't try to bank on something that's unlikely. Regardless of the season Davis has (and he'll have a good one).



I don't really watch college ball like that, but I do catch some. This is the best defender I've seen come out of college. That's not an exaggeration. He very much dominated at the college level.


MKG was the #2 pick in the draft. He probably should not have been and probably would not have been if not for the team and for Davis leading the way.

My point was you'd swear this was a Bird or Magic collegiate player who carried his team to the title without much help based on the hype. I have no problem admitting he has potential to be an all time great defender. I think Mutombo, Camby type which is still an all star, DPOY winner and probable HOF is a realistic and fair comparison. When you star saying KG then you're talking about somebody who will eventually average 25 ppg and 5 apg etc? I don't see those things personally.

[copper]

He said in their primes. Griffin was also 21 as a rookie and had a year to sit and learn what goes on behind the scenes in the NBA. Davis won't average those numbers this year or the next because he's 19 years old and doesn't have an NBA ready body or a half decent point guard to give him easy looks. Baron may have been washed up when Blake was a rookie but he was still an excellent passer.

He'll probably end up being better than Blake and I say this as a big fan of Blake.

Edit: As for the question in the title of this thread - Davis will be better. I like what Dre's shown in the preseason and of course he has monster potential but so does Davis and he'll be ready to contribute from day 1. Dre really, really needs to improve his free throw shooting and stop attempting so many fadeaways in the post and take it strong to the rim. His motor needs work as well BUT if he can get those things started out...look out Eastern conference big men.
I agree that he defenitely needs to work on his free throws but his touch and form are there he needs some coaching. And he does have a tendency to roll away from his defender rather than trust his ability to rise through his low post defender...those are easily corrected with propper coaching and practice. I dont understand anyones questioning his motor though, anyone tat has see him play this preseason will notice he was very active on both ends and when he did have what could be classified as standing around moments, it appeared he wasn sure wha his teammates were doing. He was often played early with second stringers and they had a habit of going for theirs rather than runnin the play.

[b0bab0i]

I think Drummond will have a better career

[chips93]

It's hard to conceptualize Davis's potential because dude could play 3 positions in the league(3,4, and 5). If he chooses to not bulk up too much and his jumper improves, he could be nightmare at the 3, and if he bulks up, he could rotate between the 4 and 5 depending on the matchup and own the boards and the paint. The potential is unlimited in my eyes.



i hate when people say this

davis should be a big man who controls the paint, playing him at the 3, taking him out of the paint, takes him away from the part of the court where he is most effective

[kNicKz]

drumroll

[Cocaine80s]

Drummond. I still stand by Davis being a Camby/Chandler type NOT a KG type. I think he will win a DPOY or two and maybe a couple rebounding titles but Drummond has a chance to become a much more dominant all around player IMO.
:roll:

[Levity]

:roll:

all that ghost hunting done fvcked up his head.

[Cocaine80s]

So you think as a rookie Davis will be better? Considering most agree Griffin is the best rookie since Duncan or Lebron you guys are basically declaring him a sure fire HOF and rookie all star. Any of you guys wanna get some ban bets going with me because I'm down.

If Davis makes the all star team this year or puts up 20/10/3+ I'll give my account to the first person to take the bet. Griffin is the only player in the NBA the last 2 seasons to put up those numbers. Also Griffin's shot and defense looks significantly improved. He will never be a gifted defender like Davis but Davis will also likely never score 22+ ppg like Griffin will for most of his career.
24/10/2/3 in his 3rd year :roll:

[bobopenguin]

I honestly can't wait for Davis to be exposed. People are going so overboard with the hype it's ridiculous. Dude played on a LOADED team last year... he didn't carry his team to a title like people are suggesting. I mean his teammate was the 2nd pick in the draft FFS! 3 of his teammates were selected in the 1st round.

Camby 2.0 absolutely NOT this HOF caliber player people are talking. Hell maybe he will be Mutumbo 2.0 and become the greatest shot blocker that ever played the game but he will never be a 20/10 type player like people are acting like.

backfire alert!!backfire alert!!backfire alert!!

[kunk75]

this thread makes the cp3 vs dwill discussion look legit

[Sportal]

I wonder if JohnnySic has had time to revisit his feelings.

Oh and Clippersfan, holy shit lol.

[JohnnySic]

:D

[Sportal]

:D

Ayyyyyyeee.

[embersyc]

Wow, Pistons fan here and I can't believe so many people are saying Drummond. Don't get me wrong I love the guy and have all the hopes in the world he will live up to the hype, but Anthony Davis seems like such a sure thing to me. He looked like he fit in great on the Olympic Squad.

Phew... glad I didn't say something crazy in this thread. :D

[ZMonkey11]

Phew... glad I didn't say something crazy in this thread. :D

Same. Lol. I remember typing some homer Detroit post then deleting because i didnt want to look stupid later.:roll:

[72-10]

I think Drummond is going to be better than AD.