Prime Kobe VS Bad Boys Pistons- 80's Rules

[jongib369]

Thoughts?


Jordan VS Bad Boy Pistons Breakdown-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLv2F33snCE&noredirect=1


MJ 47 points vs BBP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVmCCKNgPlc&noredirect=1


http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/988773/jordan_pistons.jpg

[r15mohd]

we'd see plenty of this from Kobe...

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/278/979/73007743_display_image.jpg?1277909980

[lakerspng]

What did Kobe do against the Spurs a number of times in the playoffs? they were as solid a defensive team as the Pistons. If I recall, he f'n blistered them for some all time epic performances...

Great players are great players no matter who they play. Some games better than others, but overall greatness will not be denied.

[Dragonyeuw]

What did Kobe do against the Spurs a number of times in the playoffs? they were as solid a defensive team as the Pistons. If I recall, he f'n blistered them for some all time epic performances...



The Spurs didn't play the kind of NFL style defense that defined the 'Jordan Rules' employed by those Pistons, same as the early 90's Knicks. You can't even play that kind of defense now, the kind of fouling that those teams were doing would get you ejected today. I mean hell look at this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhQyaKWsQy8

Rodman would have gotten a 5 game suspension if that occurred now.

I happen to think Kobe would have adjusted fine, but your analogy about comparing the 2000 Spurs to the 80's Pistons isn't apples to apples.

[AlphaWolf24]

6'3" Joey D gaurding him???....62 points...book it.

[KG215]

Well, defensive rating tells me it was harder for players and to score on those 20-something win Grizzlies teams of the early 2000's than the Bad Boy Pistons and I'm sure Kobe had some pretty big scoring games against them. Not to mention Joe Dumars was, what, like 6'2"? You factor all that in, and Kobe would've averaged 40-45 PPG against them and would've had a few 60-70 point games, easily.

[IGotACoolStory]

lol at the fouls players and fans bitch about nowadays.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Fouling a player hard <<<<< defending a player successfully without fouling

:facepalm

[atljonesbro]

The Bad Boy Pistons had to cheat and consistently break rules to play defense because they aren't good enough to play fairly.

[TheMan]

6'3" Joey D gaurding him???....62 points...book it.
More like 6'8" Rodman on Kobe, 28 pts on sub 40% FG avg.

[tikay0]

Well, defensive rating tells me it was harder for players and to score on those 20-something win Grizzlies teams of the early 2000's than the Bad Boy Pistons and I'm sure Kobe had some pretty big scoring games against them. Not to mention Joe Dumars was, what, like 6'2"? You factor all that in, and Kobe would've averaged 40-45 PPG against them and would've had a few 60-70 point games, easily.


:biggums:

[skaterbasist]

More like 6'8" Rodman on Kobe, 28 pts on sub 40% FG avg.

Rodman is 6'6".

[AlphaWolf24]

More like 6'8" Rodman on Kobe, 28 pts on sub 40% FG avg.

Joey D gaurded Jordan not Rodman..

[KG215]

6'3" Joey D gaurding him???....62 points...book it.

Yep, and everyone knows you can't be 6'3" guarding 6'5"-6'6" guys and be any good at it.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Yep, and everyone knows you can't be 6'3" guarding 6'5"-6'6" guys and be any good at it.

:facepalm

Walt Frazier
Dennis Johnson
Sidney Moncrief
Joe Dumars
Alvin Robertson
Gary Payton
Jason Kidd
Tony Allen

All 6'4'' at most, guarded 6'6'' dudes or above, many times, did a good job.

[AlphaWolf24]

Yep, and everyone knows you can't be 6'3" guarding 6'5"-6'6" guys and be any good at it.


- meh..I was more refering to Joey D...a defender who played mid 80's early 90's defense....those guy's wouldn't know thier *** from a hole in the ground when it comes to guarding PRIME GAWDBE...

- while Joey D was a premiere defender in his day....Kobe was the most versatile scorer in NBA History during his prime....he could easily get past Joe and or Rise over him anytime he wants...

- remember ......prime Kobe only scoring 40 points was a disapointment most nights.....60 was expecdted


( prolly arguing with kids who never watched the Pistons play)





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[Legends66NBA7]

:facepalm

Walt Frazier
Dennis Johnson
Sidney Moncrief
Joe Dumars
Alvin Robertson
Gary Payton
Jason Kidd
Tony Allen

All 6'4'' at most, guarded 6'6'' dudes or above, many times, did a good job.

KG215 is trolling bro.

He's pretty much just saying what the other trolls who say shorter players can't effect the game defensively.

:oldlol:

[SHAQisGOAT]

KG215 is trolling bro.

He's pretty much just saying what the other trolls who say shorter players can't effect the game defensively.

:oldlol:

My bad then, you can say I got trolled

[DatAsh]

- remember ......prime Kobe only scoring 40 points was a disapointment most nights.....60 was expecdted



And yet he only averaged 35. How does that work?

[KG215]

And yet he only averaged 35. How does that work?

Two words: Defensive Rating.

[pauk]

If he got out alive he would look something like this at least:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ofFw4H1OEQs/TulnugAyGYI/AAAAAAAAHU0/XG5oLdsBJ1c/s1600/kobe%2Bbryant.jpg

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Two words: Defensive Rating.

aka

points allowed per possession

Its very controversial to consider how many points a defense allowed and how many possessions they defended over the course of a season around these parts.

Who cares how well successful they were at limiting scoring... look at how great they are at fouling!!!

:roll:

[DatAsh]

Two words: Defensive Rating.

Funny.

The sad part is that he's serious.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Not good. Kobe struggles against physical defenses.

[TheMan]

- meh..I was more refering to Joey D...a defender who played mid 80's early 90's defense....those guy's wouldn't know thier *** from a hole in the ground when it comes to guarding PRIME GAWDBE...

- while Joey D was a premiere defender in his day....Kobe was the most versatile scorer in NBA History during his prime....he could easily get past Joe and or Rise over him anytime he wants...

- remember ......prime Kobe only scoring 40 points was a disapointment most nights.....60 was expecdted


( prolly arguing with kids who never watched the Pistons play)


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and yet the most versatile scorer in NBA history has a grand total of 2 scoring titles:facepalm

[ImmortalD24]

Barkley said it best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNHJEd-J1lA&

"Just because teams beat the hell out of you that don't make you good defensively"

32ppg on 52%FG

[KG215]

and yet the most versatile scorer in NBA history has a grand total of 2 scoring titles:facepalm

Shhh...you're ruining his fun.

[TheBigVeto]

Kobe wouldn't score 10 points.

[scandisk_]

Barkley said it best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNHJEd-J1lA&

"Just because teams beat the hell out of you that don't make you good defensively"

32ppg on 52%FG


who cares? the question remains, Kobe vs BBP? pre-handcheck rules

27-29ppg on 45-46%

[D.J.]

He'd still score his usual points, but rest assured he'd take a beating on the perimeter from Dumars, and again in the paint from Rodman, Laimbeer, and Mahorn.

[G-Funk]

04 Pistons>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Any Pistons

[Cali Syndicate]

Fouling a player hard <<<<< defending a player successfully without fouling

:facepalm

Hard fouls effs with a player's mentality. One or two hard fouls in the paint will make most players think twice about driving in there again. It's also not just about hard fouls. Defense was overall just more physical which can wear down offensive players down throughout the game and season. MJ thrives because he had unparalleled conditioning. While players were gassing into the stretch MJ could still give a few full throttle pushes on both ends. Not to say Kobe couldn't do well because I think he could do just fine but this "<<<<<<<<<<" is bs. Physical hand checking is far better than being restricted in hand checking. No 3 second in the key rule is far better than having a 3 sec rule. But Removing illegal defense rules allows for better defensive schemes. It's all relative. Black and white arguments are stupid, repetitive and provide no insight.

[G-Funk]

The 2004 Pistons held opponents under 70 Pts ELEVEN CONSECUTIVE times in both reg and playoffs...Held teams to 84pts avg

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Hard fouls effs with a player's mentality. One or two hard fouls in the paint will make most players think twice about driving in there again. It's also not just about hard fouls. Defense was overall just more physical which can wear down offensive players down throughout the game and season. MJ thrives because he had unparalleled conditioning. While players were gassing into the stretch MJ could still give a few full throttle pushes on both ends. Not to say Kobe couldn't do well because I think he could do just fine but this "<<<<<<<<<<" is bs. Physical hand checking is far better than being restricted in hand checking. No 3 second in the key rule is far better than having a 3 sec rule. But Removing illegal defense rules allows for better defensive schemes. It's all relative. Black and white arguments are stupid, repetitive and provide no insight.

If that is true why does this "physical" era of defensive basketball coincide with increased scoring and increased efficiency leaguewide?

:confusedshrug:

The mythology doesn't match the reality.

[KG215]

If that is true why does this "physical" era of defensive basketball coincide with increased scoring and increased efficiency leaguewide?

:confusedshrug:

The mythology doesn't match the reality.

Because Kobe >>>> Jordan.

[Cali Syndicate]

If that is true why does this "physical" era of defensive basketball coincide with increased scoring and increased efficiency leaguewide?

:confusedshrug:

The mythology doesn't match the reality.

So pace means nothing?

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Because Kobe >>>> Jordan.

My post has no mention of Kobe nor Jordan. :confusedshrug:

[Yao Ming's Foot]

So pace means nothing?

Pace is included in defensive rating. :facepalm Its points allowed per possession defended aka efficiency.

[Cali Syndicate]

Also today's game is more perimeter oriented. Much more. Teams hardly play inside out anymore. Midrange is a lost art. And everyone likes to shoot threes.

Back then it was more run n gun, more team passing, playing inside out, utilizing mid range and taking much less threes.

[KG215]

My post has no mention of Kobe nor Jordan. :confusedshrug:

You're not fooling anybody.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

You're not fooling anybody.

Yeah I used my mental powers to force some Jordan mythologists to start another ridiculous thread so I could point out the absurdity of the premise and so you guys you join together in your refusal to accept that team defenses should be rated on I don't know but maybe how well they actually limited scoring on a per possession basis for the season. Such an insane idea I know. :roll:

[Micku]

If that is true why does this "physical" era of defensive basketball coincide with increased scoring and increased efficiency leaguewide?

:confusedshrug:

The mythology doesn't match the reality.

70s were more physical than the 80s. But the 80s style of play and the pacing were different than the 90s and 00s.

And if the rules are the same as the 80s, then I can see Kobe still getting his average. But if players like Bird and Jordan have trouble with the Pistons and their efficiency went down, I don't see Kobe doing that much better. Especially since Kobe game is almost virtually the same as Jordan, but the only thing he is better at is his range and 3pt shooting.

[SHAQisGOAT]

If that is true why does this "physical" era of defensive basketball coincide with increased scoring and increased efficiency leaguewide?

:confusedshrug:

The mythology doesn't match the reality.


Let's just forget about much less 3pt shooting, much better centers around the league who played inside like a center should, better overall postgame for other than centers as well, much more and better ball movement, players with better off-ball offense and midrange game, and also less guys taking dumb contested shots.

[KG215]

Yeah I used my mental powers to force some Jordan mythologists to start another ridiculous thread so I could point out the absurdity of the premise and so you guys you join together in your refusal to accept that team defenses should be rated on I don't know but maybe how well they actually limited scoring on a per possession basis for the season. Such an insane idea I know. :roll:

It's gotten to the point you've just become a parody of yourself. Any and every Jordan thread you have to hop in and make some mention of DRtg (if I hadn't you would've) and mention "Jordan mythologists" two or three times. Hell, not just Jordan threads either. You do it when someone just mentions Jordan's scoring sometimes. I honestly can't remember the last time I've seen you post about something else.

But at least your posts are good for a few laughs.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

It's gotten to the point you've just become a parody of yourself. Any and every Jordan thread you have to hop in and make some mention of DRtg (if I hadn't you would've) and mention "Jordan mythologists" two or three times. Hell, not just Jordan threads either. You do it when someone just mentions Jordan's scoring sometimes. I honestly can't remember the last time I've seen you post about something else.

But at least your posts are good for a few laughs.

Your complaining about me joining the thread even though YOU brought up defensive rating and Jordan vs Kobe both before I ever did.

You are like an idiot kid who asks his friend to punch him in the arm then cries that he punched him too hard.

:oldlol:

[Odinn]

04 Pistons>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Any Pistons
And I guess Kobe did well against the '04 Pistons?:roll: :roll:

[KG215]

Your complaining about me joining the thread even though YOU brought up defensive rating and Jordan vs Kobe both before I ever did.

You are like an idiot kid who asks his friend to punch him in the arm then cries that he punched him too hard.

:oldlol:

I mentioned DRtg, not Yao Ming's Foot. You didn't have to respond. It was like fishing and you were the fish; except you were in a barrel, not a pond and I had a gun, not a fishing pole.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

I mentioned DRtg, not Yao Ming's Foot. You didn't have to respond. It was like fishing and you were the fish; except you were in a barrel, not a pond and I had a gun, not a fishing pole.

What kind of idiot fishes with a gun? No wonder you still have no logical answers to my simple questions. :oldlol:

[Round Mound]

25 PPG (21 FGAs PG) 43% FG

He Would Do Ok I Think... The Problem For Him Will Be Trying to Finish at the Rim Like Jordan Did...He Doesn`t Have The 1s Step, Quickness and Power To Do So as MJ Did. He Would Definetly Jack Up Dumb Shots Because He Is A Streak Shooter.

[Cali Syndicate]

25 PPG (21 FGAs PG) 43% FG

He Would Do Ok I Think... The Problem For Him Will Be Trying to Finish at the Rim Like Jordan Did...He Doesn`t Have The 1s Step, Quickness and Power To Do So as MJ Did. He Would Definetly Jack Up Dumb Shots Because He Is A Streak Shooter.

Why do u type like that?

[scandisk_]

Why do u type like that?

it's awesome though :oldlol:

[Cali Syndicate]

it's awesome though :oldlol:

iS iT reallY? noT surE i agreE.

[KG215]

What kind of idiot fishes with a gun? No wonder you still have no logical answers to my simple questions. :oldlol:

I and others have had plenty of logical answers to your "simple" questions. You just never like the answers and continue to push your "DRtg" agenda.

And I guess you've never heard of "It's so easy, it's like shooting fish in a barrel" but that's ok, because you don't seem to be all there anyway

[Vragrant]

Bryant doesn't play well against physical defenses. Since he couldn't even manage to play well against the late 00's Celtics and the mid00's Pistons (particularly the '04 squad) why would he do well against the bad boy Pistons?

[TheFan]

a better question is... would have Kobe evolved into the player he is now if he had played in the 80's?

I can see him evolving into some kind of cross between Barkley and Magic Johnson. Posting players on the key for something like 2/3s of the possesion, until he either gets to a good shooting spot or throw a quick pass to a cutting/open teammate.

[turnaroundJ]

Why do you people believe that physical defense = good defense?

Now teams use feet and schemes more than hands, which IMO requires more skill than just pushing or grabbing or camping in the paint.

BTW I think great scorers would be able to do their work on any team from any era.

[necya]

What did Kobe do against the Spurs a number of times in the playoffs? they were as solid a defensive team as the Pistons. If I recall, he f'n blistered them for some all time epic performances...

Great players are great players no matter who they play. Some games better than others, but overall greatness will not be denied.

Yeah, Antonio Daniels was a real bad boy.
but great perf by Kobe.

[NumberSix]

Kobe doesn't like physical play. Everybody with any sense knows that.

[DatAsh]

Why do you people believe that physical defense = good defense?

Now teams use feet and schemes more than hands, which IMO requires more skill than just pushing or grabbing or camping in the paint.

BTW I think great scorers would be able to do their work on any team from any era.

45 posts in over 2 years time. I wonder which Kobe fanatic this sock puppet account belongs to?

[andgar923]

Does anybody remember Kobe getting d'd up in the Finals by a 6'4 white dude in the Finals vs the Magic?

Or an older Kidd (6'4)?

Kobe's FTs would be cut nearly in half, and the contact will frustrate him. He'd be unable to drive and be effective. He'd be forced to take plenty of long distance contested shots.

I do see him scoring 30 pts, but with a horrific % even lower than what we're accustomed to seeing him do.

[Money 23]

Considering Kobe struggles with gritty Eastern Conference defense. And also struggles with long, wire like athletes who contest his jump shot and beg him to beat him with the first step ...

and then drive into a defense with tons of contact, which surely he'd shy away from.

Throw Rodman out on him, and watch Kobe struggle.