Highest ceiling: Irving, Lillard, or Wall?

[Court Vision]

Which PG has the highest ceiling?

Who do you think will have the best career?

[EoJ]

Irving will be the best out of the 3.

Wall has highest ceiling but i think lillard will become better.

[BMOGEFan]

Uncle Drew...

Wall will probably be the worst of them all because he is a bonehead.

[SourPatchKids]

Ceiling-wise it's hard to tell but I'd agree with Irving>Wall>Lillard.

[WolfGang]

I don't usually down players but I don't think Wall will get any better than he is now.

Irving is amazing and is miles ahead of both of them already.

Lillard has the highest ceiling and could end up the best scorer of the bunch...COULD!

[Court Vision]

I don't usually down players but I don't think Wall will get any better than he is now.

Irving is amazing and is miles ahead of both of them already.

Lillard has the highest ceiling and could end up the best scorer of the bunch...COULD!

I included Wall because he was a recent #1 pick and his career is relatively young, so he still fits the bill, but I think at the end of this year, Lillard will be regarded as the better player with a better future.

[nightprowler10]

Irving.

[rknine15]

Ceiling? John Wall and it isn't even close....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbPjxvdWa-g

[dyna]

Irving

[Notorious D.M.C]

Which PG has the highest ceiling?

Who do you think will have the best career?

Wall has the highest ceiling of any PG in the league. Don't think he'll ever reach it.

Irving will be the best out of the 3

[hawksdogsbraves]

Wall has the highest ceiling, he's as athletic as anyone in the league. Irving will be the best though I think, but we haven't seen nearly enough of Lillard say anything of what he'll become.

[Meticode]

I feel Wall has the potential to be the best point guard in the league, but he has to harness his talent and athletic ability and go to work. Hopefully the Wizards have put him in a better situation than his first two years when he was drafted with that horrible squad and make up of a team.

[Eric Cartman]

Irving is a borderline all star. Pretty sure it has to be him.

[maybeshewill13]

Irving so far, though Lillard has shown huge potential and it may easily be him as my choice by the end of the year. Wall's a dud.

[RedBlackAttack]

Lillard has shown huge potential
One game.

I like Lillard and I think he will be a very nice player in the league, but let's give the kid a chance to show what he's got before we start making comparisons like this one. He's logged 35 minutes in his career.

Irving was 2-12 for 6 points in his first game as a rookie last year. It didn't mean much by the end of the season.

Lillard has started his career the opposite way. We'll see where he has after a full season.

[NumberSix]

Wall will be lucky to have a Gilbert arenas type career as a player.

[fsvr54]

Irving will still be the best, but Lillard will be a perrenial all star.

[noob cake]

Potential: Irving > Wall = Lillard

Irving is on a special level. One of the greatest rookie guard seasons of all times. Composure, passing, scoring in one package rarely seen in a first/second year player.

[NuggetsFan]

I didn't even think about Lillard until tonight. Just one game so no use in even discussing the future with the other two but it'll be interesting to follow him. He's kinda in a Derrick Rose situation. Portland isn't a brutal team. If he has a good season(think like 17\7\3 or something) and helps lead them to the playoffs? Could be big. Wall\Irving probably both looking at lottery. Of course extremely premature, just food for thought. He's in a good situation and that goes along way determining how a players career turns out .. just look at John Wall :lol

Anyways Kyrie Irving is the safe bet. I don't think he'll ever be the table setting PG that Wall can be but he's really efficient and can put the ball in the hoop, still capable of running a team too.

John Wall has the highest ceiling. He's crazy athletic and has PG instincts. He can feed people better than Kyrie and can attack the hoop. His weakness is shooting the ball and that's an area we've seen people improve in. Jason Kidd, Derrick Rose and a guy like Rondo has came pretty far.

Both Kyrie\Wall become 100% the player their capable of and I think John Wall would be better. Like I said earlier tho, Kryie is the safer bet to do so.

[maybeshewill13]

One game.

I like Lillard and I think he will be a very nice player in the league, but let's give the kid a chance to show what he's got before we start making comparisons like this one. He's logged 35 minutes in his career.

Irving was 2-12 for 6 points in his first game as a rookie last year. It didn't mean much by the end of the season.

Lillard has started his career the opposite way. We'll see where he has after a full season.

:facepalm obviously you haven't watched him in pre-season/summer league etc. Pretty sure he's played more than one game of basketball. I said he's shown huge potential.. which he has. So I'm unsure of exactly what point you're trying to make?

[RedBlackAttack]

:facepalm obviously you haven't watched him in pre-season/summer league etc.
I did watch him. Completely, impossibly meaningless. Like I said, I think he will be good, but he's played 35 minutes of professional basketball that means anything. The preseason/summer league may still mean something to you now, because the season just started, but in a week any comments about either of those things will be met with a chuckle.

And, he's played one regular season game in his professional career, which is what is important on this forum... An NBA Forum.

The point is, since you asked, not to draw too much out of one professional game that actually matters. We can all speculate, but both Wall and Irving have played full seasons in the NBA. Lillard has played one game.

Slow your roll.

[RoseCity07]

I don't want to overrate Lillard but he's shown me some things I've never seen him do before. There are things he did tonight he didn't do all preseason or even in summer league. That shows me he has a bag of tricks we've yet to see.

A couple of moves he did were special. He had a spin on a drive that ended in a jump ball. Even though it didn't work maybe it's an example of something he will pull off as he gets better.

Irving is great though. He's the better player. I don't know Lillard's ceiling, it's too early to tell. When I hear the scouts compare his predraft workout to Kevin Durant I get excited.

[maybeshewill13]

I did watch him. Completely, impossibly meaningless. Like I said, I think he will be good, but he's played 35 minutes of professional basketball that means anything. The preseason/summer league may still mean something to you now, because the season just started, but in a week any comments about either of those things will be met with a chuckle.

And, he's played one regular season game in his professional career, which is what is important on this forum... An NBA Forum.

The point is, since you asked, not to draw too much out of one professional game that actually matters. We can all speculate, but both Wall and Irving have played full seasons in the NBA. Lillard has played one game.

Slow your roll.

So what you're telling me is that all NCAA/high school players that are labelled as having "great potential" (which is what I am saying Lillard has) is not at all true as they haven't even played a single game?

Got it.

[bdreason]

Irving for me.

[hon]

http://www.clevelandleader.com/files/kyrieirvingpepsimax.jpg



... the taste test

[RedBlackAttack]

So what you're telling me is that all NCAA/high school players that are labelled as having "great potential" (which is what I am saying Lillard has) is not at all true as they haven't even played a single game?

Got it.
I'm saying, in this discussion, where he is being compared to two guys who have been in the league for full seasons... No, college games, summer league and preseason do not matter.

I just think it is too early in his career to make these comparisons. Let the guy play a few full weeks in the league at least before pronouncing him better than John Wall.

[FireDavidKahn]

I think Wall has the highest ceiling but very unlikely to get there. I'm not sure yet on where I'd rank Lillard compared to Irving but I absolutely love his game and think he is going to be a great guard.

[SilkkTheShocker]

John Wall doesn't belong in the discussion. Irving will have the best career imo.

[ILLsmak]

Irving is a borderline all star. Pretty sure it has to be him.

Yeah, hard to bet that he's either going to regress or that others will overtake him. He's already a star and got recognition.

It could happen, though. Usually when people say ceiling they mean something hypothetical. This hypothetical question was ruined by a player who is already top at his position being included.

-Smak

[veilside23]

John Wall doesn't belong in the discussion. Irving will have the best career imo.


we are talking about celing bro.. because right now irving has a better career than john wall..

celing wise wall has the vince carter situation he could have been better than kobe but he didnt realize it. i hope wall will do something about it..

because the kid's celing is through the roof..

[DukeDelonte13]

its hard to include lillard because we haven't seen much of him, he's def a special player though.

wall has the higher ceiling, but i think irving will always be the better player.

[arifgokcen]

Wall has the highest ceiling.Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.

However that said irving skillset will seperate him as the best player

Lillard potential is yet to be seen.Lets wait at least another month before deciding where he is in terms of potential.

[The_Yearning]

Irving.

Why is everyone so high on Wall? Dude sucks.

[Ikill]

Irving is younger and has less experience than Wall but already he is so much better. Irving just has more natural talent for basketball they both have had similar amount of time to work on their games but Irvings developed much faster. Irving pretty clearly has a higher ceiling

[Ikill]

I didn't even think about Lillard until tonight. Just one game so no use in even discussing the future with the other two but it'll be interesting to follow him. He's kinda in a Derrick Rose situation. Portland isn't a brutal team. If he has a good season(think like 17\7\3 or something) and helps lead them to the playoffs? Could be big. Wall\Irving probably both looking at lottery. Of course extremely premature, just food for thought. He's in a good situation and that goes along way determining how a players career turns out .. just look at John Wall :lol

Anyways Kyrie Irving is the safe bet. I don't think he'll ever be the table setting PG that Wall can be but he's really efficient and can put the ball in the hoop, still capable of running a team too.

John Wall has the highest ceiling. He's crazy athletic and has PG instincts. He can feed people better than Kyrie and can attack the hoop. His weakness is shooting the ball and that's an area we've seen people improve in. Jason Kidd, Derrick Rose and a guy like Rondo has came pretty far.

Both Kyrie\Wall become 100% the player their capable of and I think John Wall would be better. Like I said earlier tho, Kryie is the safer bet to do so.
Don't get fooled by the assist numbers Kyrie is a better playmaker and passer than wall

[noob cake]

Don't get fooled by the assist numbers Kyrie is a better playmaker and passer than wall

And a better slasher, shooter and floor general. To be honest, the only thing Wall is better at is jumping. Not sure if Wall is even quicker with the ball.

[Ikill]

And a better slasher, shooter and floor general. To be honest, the only thing Wall is better at is jumping. Not sure if Wall is even quicker with the ball.
Kyrie is quicker stronger too but Walls faster end to end

[RedBlackAttack]

And a better slasher, shooter and floor general. To be honest, the only thing Wall is better at is jumping. Not sure if Wall is even quicker with the ball.
Kyrie is undoubtedly quicker than Wall. John is faster when it comes to straight line speed, but to me, being quick and being able to change direction quickly while maintaining total balance and control of the ball is WAY more important than straight line end-to-end speed.

[NuggetsFan]

People low on Wall nowadays, understandable. John Wall can force feed his teammates better tho, that's not arguable IMO. Since Wall's been on the scene one of his best traits is that natural feeling for getting others involved. Coming into the league people saw that 20\10 potential .. it was the difference with him and Rose too. Rose the better scorer, Wall more of a natural PG. I don't really care about the numbers, I'm sure APG Wall leads. What's probably the most telling tho is Kyrie has like what one or two double double's in his career? John Wall had like 26 his rookie season. It's not a knock on Kyrie at all, he's a solid passer. He doesn't have the ability to set the table for others tho like Wall. He makes the right pass, not as many direct feeds as Wall.

Spare me the talent too. Washington during Wall's tenure is brutaaaal. McGee, Blatche, Young, Crawford etc. nothing worse for a PG than playing with stupid players.

Wall's more athletic to me too. Coming in he was 6'4, 196. Compare that to Kyrie at 6'3 and a half and 191. Irving has a 6'4 wingspan, Wall a 6'9 freakish one. He's got that Rajon Rondo defensive potential. Wall can jump higher, better top end speed. Both are really quick. Wall to me is like a mini LeBron at PG, similar to Rose\Westbrook. Irving is an underrated athlete tho.

Irving plays the game smarter, can shoot, better scorer\more polished game. That to me is why he's the safer bet to reach his potential. John Wall has all the tools, skills and just needs to put it together, yet to be seen if he can do that. Atleast Washington cleared out the knuckleheads, team had a legit shot at being the dumbest of all time :oldlol:

[SilkkTheShocker]

Wall is a knucklehead himself. I doubt he will be on many winning teams in his career. Cleveland will probably be a perennial playoff team under Irving for the near future.

[yobore]

Pretty much all the recent superstars really broke out in their third years. Not ready to write off Wall yet.

[DwadeOverLebron]

Easy... LINSANITY!