Why do people hate on Jeremy Lin so much? [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

upside24

11-03-2012, 07:45 PM

I do not hate Lin, I hate the overrating of players today (not in comparison to those of the past, just in general).

Lin is talented but he is not on CP3/DWill level right now and I doubt he ever will be, but he was being presented as such by media outlets because of a string of good games and the fact that he was Asian (not trying to be inflammatory but it is what it is).

Once he started getting more defensive attention and people knew what to expect, he turned the ball over and his edge of being unknown was lost yet the excuse was that he was bound to have a few bad games, not that he maybe isn't as good as people thought.

I wish nothing but the best for him and Harden and hope they turn Houston into an exciting team to watch and a serious playoff contender. There are too many teams in the NBA that suck right now.

CelticBaller

11-03-2012, 07:47 PM

:facepalm :lol :facepalm

You sir, are an example of a Lin hater.

I'm guessing that an Asian raped you when u were a child, and that's why u hate Asians
How do I hate Asians? Where are you getting these wild assumptions from?
The guy is overhyped, people forget how one of the "most overrated PG" in the league put out legendary stats against him like it was mo williams defending him

AK47DR91

11-03-2012, 07:56 PM

People got sick of Linsanity, ESPN and the media beat that thing into the ground. Not his fault, but that's the way it is.
Lol, that was so 9 months ago. It only lasted 2 weeks max at its apex anyway.

And it was beyond basketball (Wallstreet, TMZ, etc) so I don't know how basketball fans can be so upset over it unless you love TMZ and gossip media yourself. We all know ESPN is half sports media and half gossip media nowadays.

Derka

11-03-2012, 08:06 PM

Same reason they hate on Tebow and the Kardashians...oversaturation.

upside24

11-03-2012, 08:09 PM

Same reason they hate on Tebow and the Kardashians...oversaturation.
Thought of Klhoe and oversaturation....threw up a little.

Scal

11-03-2012, 08:25 PM

Hmmm, tough question. Admittedly I am for one was unsure how he would respond in Houston - he had nothing to lose during Linsanity, and it was fun because a nobody led a team better than their superstar (and the fact that it was NYK, a team that seemed to have the luck of the Cubs).

I think people dislike the hype for the most part, the fact that he needs to prove himself (at least for a full season). I do believe he is an NBA starter, but there are so many good PGs at the moment, so simply being starter quality doesn't put you in elite company (as opposed to say an Allstar C).

I think there is some racial motivation there as well to an extent, especially if he is Yao-ed into the Allstar 5.

Jyap9675

11-03-2012, 08:43 PM

The way he plays.. It doesnt look smooth. But thats just me.

sportsfan76

11-03-2012, 08:53 PM

mikek85

11-03-2012, 08:56 PM

I don't like that he left the Knicks after the team gave him a opportunity. He hasn't even played a full season and looking to get offers from other teams

I WANT LIN TO FAIL

Uh actually it was Knicks fail. Not Lin.

U doin some serious trollin :hammerhead:

sportsfan76

11-03-2012, 08:59 PM

Uh actually it was Knicks fail. Not Lin.

U doin some serious trollin :hammerhead:

Didn't Lin go back to Houston to get a higher offer?

GOBB

11-03-2012, 09:00 PM

I hate asians therefore I hate Lin trolled

Rekindled

11-03-2012, 09:06 PM

Didn't Lin go back to Houston to get a higher offer?

he didnt, houston upped the offer becuase it was reported knicks would match the rumored offer. what is he going to do , say no thanks to extra millions of dollar?

blablabla

11-03-2012, 09:09 PM

fvk jeremy lin felton is better anyway

sportsfan76

11-03-2012, 09:09 PM

he didnt, houston upped the offer becuase it was reported knicks would match the rumored offer. what is he going to do , say no thanks to extra millions of dollar?

YES because if it wasn't for the Knicks he wouldn't be SH*T and still sleeping on couches

blood yes

11-03-2012, 09:41 PM

I hate asians therefore I hate Lin trolled
i hope an asian kills you

comerb

11-03-2012, 10:22 PM

So why do people hate on Jeremy Lin so much? Is it cause they are jealous that an Asian basketball player is better than them?

Nah, it's because so much of his fame is because he's Asian. If he was black, or white, or even latino... he'd have had his 15 minutes and he'd just be another very good point-guard in a league full of them(many of which are better).

People aren't big fans of people getting preferential treatment because of their race, it's just another form of racism.

sportsfan76

11-03-2012, 10:24 PM

Nah, it's because so much of his fame is because he's Asian. If he was black, or white, or even latino... he'd have had his 15 minutes and he'd just be another very good point-guard in a league full of them(many of which are better).

People aren't big fans of people getting preferential treatment because of their race, it's just another form of racism.

Definitely racism

KOBE143

11-04-2012, 01:50 AM

Overrated

jbot

11-04-2012, 01:53 AM

I think Lin proved that last year wasn't a fluke, with 2 great games so far. 21 points, 10 rebounds, and 7 assists? That's amazing, 2nd to Harden's 45.

So why do people hate on Jeremy Lin so much? Is it cause they are jealous that an Asian basketball player is better than them?
jealous? for me, it's the media shoving all that linsanity down your throat. got so tired of hearing about it that i was almost relieved when he got hurt. i'm glad for him, it's a great underdog story but just got sick of hearing about it.

Sarcastic

11-04-2012, 01:54 AM

he didnt, houston upped the offer becuase it was reported knicks would match the rumored offer. what is he going to do , say no thanks to extra millions of dollar?

The new offer was less total money. If he wanted to stay in NY, he would be in NY. He shouldn't have signed the offer sheet with the poison pill.

b0bab0i

11-04-2012, 01:56 AM

YES because if it wasn't for the Knicks he wouldn't be SH*T and still sleeping on couches
Lol what are you talking about? Knicks didn't offer anything to Lin, they told him to go out and seek other deals to see what he was worth and they would match.

He probably would've accepted a Knicks offer if they gave him one. They basically shot themselves in the foot

Walker

11-04-2012, 01:59 AM

I think Lin proved that last year wasn't a fluke, with 2 great games so far. 21 points, 10 rebounds, and 7 assists? That's amazing, 2nd to Harden's 45.

So why do people hate on Jeremy Lin so much? Is it cause they are jealous that an Asian basketball player is better than them?
It has nothing to do with race and it actually doesn't have anything to do with him personally.
It is quite simply a case of Newton's law of motion, every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
In other words all the over the top hype created in turn over the top hate.
Happens with every sportsman that gets alot of media attention, ie. Kobe and LeBron, alot of fans, alot of haters..

Alonzo Magic

11-04-2012, 02:02 AM

Does Lin look quicker and generally more athletic on the Rockets to anyone else? In the little I saw of him in the Pistons game he looked very quick laterally guarding Stuckey.

sportsfan76

11-04-2012, 02:09 AM

Lol what are you talking about? Knicks didn't offer anything to Lin, they told him to go out and seek other deals to see what he was worth and they would match.

He probably would've accepted a Knicks offer if they gave him one. They basically shot themselves in the foot

If he would have not gotten a opportunity by DAtoni, he would be nothing.

There should never have been any other team in the picture

bdreason

11-04-2012, 02:54 AM

It's not his fault, but the media way overhyped Lin last season, and people grew tired of it.

He's still a very good player, as he's proving this year.

ripthekik

11-04-2012, 05:05 AM

last year he proved the whole world wrong coming out from a bench position, this year he's proving the doubters and haters wrong :applause:

Funny because Harden is gaining popularity the same way Linsanity did last year

dbk123

11-04-2012, 05:29 AM

jesus had haters but he was still the messiah u feel me

I<3NBA

11-04-2012, 05:50 AM

jesus had haters but he was still the messiah u feel me
:lol

Asiantastic

11-04-2012, 06:12 AM

jesus had haters but he was still the messiah u feel me

:oldlol:

Sekman

11-04-2012, 06:14 AM

:facepalm :lol :facepalm

You sir, are an example of a Lin hater.

I'm guessing that an Asian raped you when u were a child, and that's why u hate Asians

Im Asian and I hate Lin and Linsanity.. he's overrated, period.

Legends66NBA7

11-04-2012, 06:24 AM

I don't hate Lin at all.

It's the overhype he's getting that I can't stand. And a part of the reason he's getting that hype is because of a spurt of red hot games and his ethnicity.

He's not even a Top 10 player at his position to get the hype he's getting and has never been the best player on his team for an entire season... doubt he ever will be. He can certainly be a good player in this league, but he needs to earn his keep.

brandonislegend

11-04-2012, 07:13 AM

Does Lin look quicker and generally more athletic on the Rockets to anyone else? In the little I saw of him in the Pistons game he looked very quick laterally guarding Stuckey.

Probably, there's videos of his offseason workouts they are pretty intense.

TheBigVeto

11-04-2012, 07:24 AM

Blatant Racism.

ILLsmak

11-04-2012, 07:54 AM

jesus had haters but he was still the messiah u feel me

haha...

Nah, but I disagree with people saying that they presented Lin as a superstar... nobody was saying he was better than guys like CP3 and Deron. However, I think they were selling him as the best PG the Knicks have had in forever. I don't even know if it's so much that he is asian... just the fact that the Knicks have had terrible PGs for so long they are like O SHIT.

He's good, though. Other than the obvious superstars, he's right up there.

-Smak

brantonli

11-04-2012, 07:59 AM

If he would have not gotten a opportunity by DAtoni, he would be nothing.

There should never have been any other team in the picture

WTF? Then players would never leave their original teams, what a silly concept. The Knicks had the final right to match the Rockets offer and didn't, how can you fault Lin for that? He did what any sensible person would do.

RoseCity07

11-04-2012, 08:18 AM

Pick any role player in the NBA. Then have the media hype this player and say he's a star. Then they say shit like:

"Man, Luke Ridnour is so good, he's a star, he is taking over the league LukeSanityGoatBe.:bowdown: "

My god Lin averaged nearly 4 turnovers a game last year in just 27 minutes a game. He's a decent NBA player but any time I hear people talk about him as though he's a franchise player I feel exactly like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC8y0HoopVE

LJJ

11-04-2012, 08:20 AM

Most of the hate for Lin is coming from, predictably, fans of the Knicks.

Some of the most classless fans in the league. They used to hate Raymond Felton's guts after he was traded away from them, laughing at his (relative) fall from glory. They were saying that his performance with the Knicks was a fluke, that he just thrived in Dantoni's system, that he was no better than Chris Duhon, etc. Now that he's back suddenly they say they came out on top losing that overrated, overpaid piece of shit Lin and gaining Felton.

Never listen to a Knicks fan opinion on anything. They are useless.

Math2

11-04-2012, 08:20 AM

He's overrated and people fail to mention how much he sucks when he goes against star PGs

This AND the only reason everyone got so excited over him was because he was Asian. The whole Linsainity shit got beaten to the ground. He's not close to what the media portrays him as.

dunksby

11-04-2012, 08:30 AM

So according to posts in this thread, people hate Lin cause of his race and ESPN. :coleman:

blood yes

11-04-2012, 11:21 AM

So according to posts in this thread, people hate Lin cause of his race and ESPN. :coleman:
exactly, jeremy lin haters are dumb and are retarted, and cant appreciate a good bball player

GOBB

11-04-2012, 11:52 AM

i hope an asian kills you

Given asians always roll in packs its highly unlikely a single asian could kill me. :pimp: trolled up da ass

9512

11-04-2012, 12:34 PM

Go Getter

11-04-2012, 01:22 PM

People judge him by different standards than other PGs.

RW turns the ball over 7 times in a game and I guarantee he gets called an idiot in multiple threads.

Ramon Felton shoots 6 for 16 and he can't shoot.

Player X bails on the team that gave him a chance and he's and ungrateful POS.

Not that these are logical reasons not to like a player, but it is apparent, and that's how some people think.

Wish him a the best, but think he, Harden, and Asik are becoming grossly overrated.

Beatlezz

11-04-2012, 01:36 PM

exactly, jeremy lin haters are dumb and are retarted, and cant appreciate a good bball player

retarted

A retarded person's way of spelling the word "retarded."

:coleman:

sodapop

11-04-2012, 02:38 PM

Last year I ask myself, is there a logical reason to hate Jeremy Lin? I couldn't find an answer to my question. Why do people hate on Jeremy Lin? I assume it's because of the hype he received from the media, bad marketing once again by the NBA. They wanted to use Jeremy Lin to boost up the marketing to Asians, attract the Asian population to the NBA. While doing so, it only bothered masses, not because Jeremy is Asian, because the media & NBA went to foolish measures in a soft racial way to promote a Asian basketball player. Not just a good point guard, but a Asian point guard. Shame on the NBA!!:no: Jeremy Lin is a good player, regardless of race, religion, creed. I love the game of basketball. That's all that matters.. No room for politics in basketball.

Eat Like A Bosh

11-04-2012, 02:47 PM

I don't see any hate here. He's not even good enough to warrant being hated.

BuffaloBill

11-04-2012, 02:50 PM

I love Jeremy Lin

Bandito

11-04-2012, 02:51 PM

Its because they are jealous that a nobody came and stole the spotlight from known scrubs like Wade, Kobe and Lebron.

Nevaeh

11-04-2012, 05:11 PM

I don't see any hate here. He's not even good enough to warrant being hated.

According to ISH, any criticism of Lin somehow means you "hate" Asians. I don't know where that retarded leap of logic originated, but it shows a level of insecurity that I've never seen here with any other player.

Jeremy Lin Stat line: 10pts, 5 assists, 7to

B-Ball Fan: "Damn, Jeremy Line would be nice, if he cut down the turnovers".
Lin Fan: "Lins game is perfect. YOU just hate Asians for some twisted reason".

:rolleyes:

NumberSix

11-04-2012, 05:54 PM

Same reason people are sick of Tebow. It's like, shut the *** up already about a mediocre player. Why not make a thousand Luke Ridnour threads while we're at it?

plUto or bUst

11-04-2012, 06:04 PM

Same reason people are sick of Tebow. It's like, shut the *** up already about a mediocre player. Why not make a thousand Luke Ridnour threads while we're at it?

I've never seen so many people try to convince themselves that an above average player barely belongs in the league.

NYK_Stan

11-04-2012, 06:04 PM

TheBigVeto

11-04-2012, 06:04 PM

jesus had haters but he was still the messiah u feel me

:applause: :applause: :applause:

Go Getter

11-04-2012, 06:08 PM

I've never seen so many people try to convince themselves that an above average player barely belongs in the league.
He said mediocre. Meaning not elite, but not among the worst.

Fair assessment, no?

plUto or bUst

11-04-2012, 07:17 PM

He said mediocre. Meaning not elite, but not among the worst.

Fair assessment, no?

"Meaning not elite, but not among the worst." That's a wide range there that would include about 90 percent of the league. That range includes stars, above average players, average players, below average players, and players who barely belong in the league. Mediocre would include only below average players and barely adequate players. Mediocre does not mean average.

All indications point to Lin being an above average player, and at least an average PG starter in the league. So mediocre is not a fair assessment in any way.

Pointguard

11-04-2012, 07:49 PM

This was one guy that I felt, might have owed his team something. He literally was put a stage, to succeed, shine, preach religion, and get a career when the Knicks gave him opportunity and light to shine. He had a great three months with the Knicks and proved himself of some worth. But he felt the Knicks didn't even deserve an honest talk with him and pretty much made sure the Knicks could get nothing in return for him.

He gave me the impression that he was a straight up good guy that understood his value, and who had a code. But he left as a guy that would broker with the devil for a few extra securer dollars and who would take you for granted, if you changed his life. Definitely not a guy to trust, and definitely a type of guy that would use you. I don't hate him but I do think he's a foul person and it wouldn't bother me so much if he didn't keep talking like God is first. He saw safe money and he forgot his life story.

Go Getter

11-04-2012, 09:09 PM

"Meaning not elite, but not among the worst." That's a wide range there that would include about 90 percent of the league. That range includes stars, above average players, average players, below average players, and players who barely belong in the league. Mediocre would include only below average players and barely adequate players. Mediocre does not mean average.

All indications point to Lin being an above average player, and at least an average PG starter in the league. So mediocre is not a fair assessment in any way.

You said at least an average starter which kind of means.....mediocre.

Go Getter

11-04-2012, 09:11 PM

They don't call it a poison pill year (or contract I forget) for nothing.

Miller for 3

11-04-2012, 09:11 PM

Like Tebow, he is a mediocore player that ESPN says is GOAT level

AK47DR91

11-04-2012, 09:16 PM

I might be wrong but I don't think Lin works for ESPN, TMZ, Wallstreet Journal or any of the media that force-fed his story to the world. He plays basketball; not his fault the media took advantage of his story and made it bigger than it was.

And also that hype was so 9 months ago.

heyhey

11-04-2012, 09:16 PM

let's be real, if lin was a brotha that went to harvard and wasn't given a chance we would have multiple stories about how smart black kids aren't given fair shot and a spike lee movie about the dude already.

everything about the lin phenomenon, the fandom and the backlash, is because of his race.

niko

11-04-2012, 09:17 PM

Eldrunko247

11-04-2012, 09:19 PM

Because they're jealous of success. Lin>all the haters. He's a solid player. Nothing more, nothing less. Guy is getting the mle. Luke Walton was getting paid the full mle c'mon.

KungFuJoe

11-04-2012, 09:48 PM

Why do people keep saying that he owes the Knicks something? He owes the Knicks NOTHING. If anything, they owe HIM...for saving their asses and getting them into the playoffs. It's not like they "gave" him a chance...they had no freakin choice with everyone, including the ball boy, out for one reason or another. They did what they had to and it worked out. Lin did what he had to and it worked out.

Scal

11-04-2012, 09:54 PM

plUto or bUst

11-04-2012, 10:25 PM

You said at least an average starter which kind of means.....mediocre.

This actually kinda means ... you don't know the difference between an average STARTER and average PLAYER.

People are calling Lin a mediocre player, which he decidedly is not.

Pointguard

11-05-2012, 12:52 AM

Yeah, the idea that Lin owed the Knicks is stupid. You've only got so many years to make your money, so take it. And at any rate, weren't there certain NYK players who didn't want Lin around for whatever reason?

Why do people keep saying that he owes the Knicks something? He owes the Knicks NOTHING. If anything, they owe HIM...for saving their asses and getting them into the playoffs. It's not like they "gave" him a chance...they had no freakin choice with everyone, including the ball boy, out for one reason or another. They did what they had to and it worked out. Lin did what he had to and it worked out.

Lin had one foot on a banana peel the other in another career - he's admitted as much. He got some footing in NY. He got a stage to be Tebow lite, which he also admitted to wanting to be like. He wasn't like Tebow, whom had a talent everybody knew about. When everybody wants you, you can say people owe you nothing - because your value is above what can be priced. But when you are come up from nothing, like Lin, and you promote your faith, you are grateful for every person that helps you attain your dream/platform/career.

Lin had to have somebody who believed in him because he was ready to give up on the sport. Basic Christian tenet, be honest those who believe in you, and they are easy to spot when nobody else believes in you. Once again, if he isn't sporting Christianity, I don't mind this. But when it flows like this: "First of all I would like to thank God for giving me the opportunity, but give me some extra dollars and I have no problem whatsoever screwing the earthly, opportunity giver."

The Knicks ended up loosing ground for gambling and transforming Lin into his success story. They couldn't even get Anything in return because Lin bargained against the people who gambled on him and he did this immediately, with in months of his first shine. It's hard to like somebody like that. There isn't a spiritual man walking, telling people to not be grateful for those who helped transform them. And its good for one's moral fiber to be honest, and straight forward with that person. You owe them that much.

KungFuJoe

11-05-2012, 01:05 AM

Lin had one foot on a banana peel the other in another career - he's admitted as much. He got some footing in NY. He got a stage to be Tebow lite, which he also admitted to wanting to be like. He wasn't like Tebow, whom had a talent everybody knew about. When everybody wants you, you can say people owe you nothing - because your value is above what can be priced. But when you are come up from nothing, like Lin, and you promote your faith, you are grateful for every person that helps you attain your dream/platform/career.

Lin had to have somebody who believed in him because he was ready to give up on the sport. Basic Christian tenet, be honest those who believe in you, and they are easy to spot when nobody else believes in you. Once again, if he isn't sporting Christianity, I don't mind this. But when it flows like this: "First of all I would like to thank God for giving me the opportunity, but give me some extra dollars and I have no problem whatsoever screwing the earthly, opportunity giver."

The Knicks ended up loosing ground for gambling and transforming Lin into his success story. They couldn't even get Anything in return because Lin bargained against the people who gambled on him and he did this immediately, with in months of his first shine. It's hard to like somebody like that. There isn't a spiritual man walking, telling people to not be grateful for those who helped transform them. And its good for one's moral fiber to be honest, and straight forward with that person. You owe them that much.

I just don't see where the dishonesty is. Seems that the general consensus at the time was that the Knicks would happily match any offer given to Lin, which was their right. So Lin goes shopping for the best deal he could get...which ANYONE would have done, including Tim Tebow. So the Rockets give him a sweet offer...and the Knicks let him go. Shit happens. It's all a business. You think the Knicks give a **** where someone's family is or if they just bought a house when they trade/cut/waive a player? Hell no. It's ALL BUSINESS...and it was all legitimate.

zizozain

11-05-2012, 01:13 AM

I love Jeremy Lin

Go Getter

11-05-2012, 01:15 AM

This actually kinda means ... you don't know the difference between an average STARTER and average PLAYER.

People are calling Lin a mediocre player, which he decidedly is not.
No, he isn't decidedly anything. His career is still young. He's shown flashes of brilliance and he's had some games where he looked like a buster. Saying he's going to be mediocre to an above average starter seems like a reasonable range to me. You seem a bit biased.

Dude hasn't proven one way or another what he will be. You have to start for 2-3 years to make an accurate assessment in my book. He hasnt even started a full season yet and people are trying to make he and Harden and Asik the new "it" trio in the NBA.

We shall see, lol....

shoops

11-05-2012, 01:36 AM

...
The Knicks had Lin go find an offer sheet to match. Woodson publicly said the Knicks said they'd match whatever. Lin found the best offer. It's just business.

Fawker

11-05-2012, 01:37 AM

because they think he is supposedly a disappointing international phenom. the guy is as american as panda express. he played in all levels of american upbringing. middle school, high school, ivy league, nbdl. he can ball in nba standards.

magic chiongson

11-05-2012, 02:37 AM

linsanity > gangnam style

spiegel

11-05-2012, 02:46 AM

I don't think the pace Lin plays at is conducive to being a very good team. He either needs to learn to play at a slower pace so he can set up players in the half court occasionally, or he just won't be the PG when and if the Rockets become a really good team. The breakneck pace he wants to play doesn't work.
The breakneck pace is part of Kevin McHales game plan. He wants us to run the ball and move it side to side so we can overlap teams because with our front court were not going to outscore anyone.Were not going to beat anyone in half court sets. Lots of pick and rolls and move the ball by running the lanes and having trailers with the ball carrier.

Lin has been alot better then i thought he would be. He has pretty good bball IQ and can read the game. I can see him being a borderline allstar in the future. People ae talking like he is a scrub. He is giving us 15 points and 7 assists a night.

MavsSuperFan

11-05-2012, 02:56 AM

Like Tebow, he is a mediocore player that ESPN says is GOAT level

Almost no one at ESPN other than bayless says Tebow is an elite player, his ratings range from horrible to wild cat quarterback.

Lin is also not thought of as elite by any pundits I can remember.

Tebow is hyped up by Christians who are excited to see one of their own (by this I mean a vocal christian that does stuff like stay a virgin) succeed and root for him.

Lin is hyped up by chinese/asians who have never seen a guard succeed like he has.

Tebow and Lin are special to their groups, because they were the first of their kind (at least the first well recognized of their kind). Its easier to relate to guards because they look more normal sized. Someone like Yao is unrelatable.

Edit: all people tend to cling to and overrate people they associate themselves with that they believe have represented them well, especially if these people defy stereotypes that afflict these groups. When people see someone like themselves succeed it gives them hope and inspires them. Nothing wrong with that.

Cali Syndicate

11-05-2012, 03:16 AM

Lin for the win!

Cali Syndicate

11-05-2012, 03:21 AM

linsanity > gangnam style

Oooooohhhh....

As a basketball fan I definitely enjoyed Linsanity far more than Gangnam style. I like both though. Gangnam, Korea is a fun place.

Pointguard

11-05-2012, 03:30 AM

I just don't see where the dishonesty is. Seems that the general consensus at the time was that the Knicks would happily match any offer given to Lin, which was their right. So Lin goes shopping for the best deal he could get...which ANYONE would have done, including Tim Tebow. So the Rockets give him a sweet offer...and the Knicks let him go. Shit happens. It's all a business. You think the Knicks give a **** where someone's family is or if they just bought a house when they trade/cut/waive a player? Hell no. It's ALL BUSINESS...and it was all legitimate.

The first deal was matched. Lin went back to Houston and had a contract that ballooned in the third year as to make it impossible for the Knicks to match due to Amare, Mello, Chandler contracts. It was much more the structure of the deal than anything else that irked the Knicks. It taxed them hard. The Knicks told Lin we will look out for you. Lin made that impossible, and he did that intentionally.

I can't really say it was business, or at least money - that is what pisses me off more than anything. Was it really about money? Lin gets another major endorsement deal if he's in NY by now. He knows the value of having a brand name in the world's "Brand center" is way more than the mere 5 million more that Houston gave him. Volvo - a European auto industry saw him as a link between the two biggest markets in the world. If Lin puts a LIN logo on a shirt that looks like a jersey here in NY that's ten million off of the top.

I know its business, I know its legit. For me its just be who you say you are. If you are a business man, say you are. Don't put the religion in people's face and then be about mammon, and in a sneaky way. Lebron got dogged despite giving way more to his team could ever pay him. Knicks got a month's worth of converting Lin's value from $120,000 to 28 million with a platform and career and got nothing in return for it and Lin saw to it that it would happen. At least Cleveland got something back for Lebron. I don't hate Lin and hope other people don't hate him. But I understand if they dislike him.

KungFuJoe

11-05-2012, 03:39 AM

The first deal was matched. Lin went back to Houston and had a contract that ballooned in the third year as to make it impossible for the Knicks to match due to Amare, Mello, Chandler contracts. It was much more the structure of the deal than anything else that irked the Knicks. It taxed them hard. The Knicks told Lin we will look out for you. Lin made that impossible, and he did that intentionally.

I can't really say it was business, or at least money - that is what pisses me off more than anything. Was it really about money? Lin gets another major endorsement deal if he's in NY by now. He knows the value of having a brand name in the world's "Brand center" is way more than the mere 5 million more that Houston gave him. Volvo - a European auto industry saw him as a link between the two biggest markets in the world. If Lin puts a LIN logo on a shirt that looks like a jersey here in NY that's ten million off of the top.

I know its business, I know its legit. For me its just be who you say you are. If you are a business man, say you are. Don't put the religion in people's face and then be about mammon, and in a sneaky way. Lebron got dogged despite giving way more to his team could ever pay him. Knicks got a month's worth of converting Lin's value from $120,000 to 28 million with a platform and career and got nothing in return for it and Lin saw to it that it would happen. At least Cleveland got something back for Lebron. I don't hate Lin and hope other people don't hate him. But I understand if they dislike him.

Ok, I don't get it. Did Lin do it for the money or didn't he? I'm not sure what you're trying to say. If he didn't do it for money, then what did he do it for? Fun? Just ****ing with the Knicks? I think a Harvard graduate would have a good idea of "where the money is".

Lin did for one simple reason. One team wanted him more than the other. And when you've been kicked around the league and almost had to find another job, there is NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING, that feels better than being wanted by an NBA team.

tomtucker

11-05-2012, 05:22 AM

I'm assuming because he's smart and Asian so he shouldn't be playing the brothers' game. He should be managing their finances.

and bringing us our food, goddammit ......:rant

plUto or bUst

11-05-2012, 09:19 AM

No, he isn't decidedly anything. His career is still young. He's shown flashes of brilliance and he's had some games where he looked like a buster. Saying he's going to be mediocre to an above average starter seems like a reasonable range to me. You seem a bit biased.

Dude hasn't proven one way or another what he will be. You have to start for 2-3 years to make an accurate assessment in my book. He hasnt even started a full season yet and people are trying to make he and Harden and Asik the new "it" trio in the NBA.

We shall see, lol....

So you admit he's a mediocre starter. That would mean he's an above average player in the league. Thanks for clarifying that.

People are calling him a mediocre player, and that is what I call bias. There is no evidence that he's a mediocre player.

InfiniteBaskets

11-05-2012, 10:57 AM

So you admit he's a mediocre starter. That would mean he's an above average player in the league. Thanks for clarifying that.

People are calling him a mediocre player, and that is what I call bias. There is no evidence that he's a mediocre player.

Agree... Saying someone is an "above average" starter at the PG position these days is high praise. That means you're top 15 in all PGs.

CP3
D Will
Irving
Wall
Nash
Kidd
Westbrook
Rose
Ty Lawson
Tony Parker
Rajon Rondo
Stephen Curry
Jrue Holliday
Kyle Lowry
Jose Calderon

To be in the same level as that group, even if it's just on par with Lowry, Holliday, and Calderon... That's still pretty good. That means you're essentially expecting Lin to be a top three player on his team.

Mr. Incredible

11-05-2012, 11:13 AM

Because he's not very good?

SilkkTheShocker

11-05-2012, 12:30 PM

I have been openly rooting for him to fail for awhile. I hope he tears both his ACLs.

Go Getter

11-05-2012, 12:33 PM

Agree... Saying someone is an "above average" starter at the PG position these days is high praise. That means you're top 15 in all PGs.

CP3
D Will
Irving
Wall
Nash
Kidd
Westbrook
Rose
Ty Lawson
Tony Parker
Rajon Rondo
Stephen Curry
Jrue Holliday
Kyle Lowry
Jose Calderon

To be in the same level as that group, even if it's just on par with Lowry, Holliday, and Calderon... That's still pretty good. That means you're essentially expecting Lin to be a top three player on his team.

Add Lillard, Jennings, maybe Rubio depending how he comes back, I mean if we are including potential as well....(which in my opinion, up until now a lot of people are using in evaluating Lin).

Lin out of 30 starting PGs is around the mean which would make him an average starter. A team would have him in their long term scheme but he could be upgraded.

Lin would not be the third best player on the Heat, Spurs, Lakers, or Thunder...aka the teams built to win rings as of now.

He's so overrated its ridiculous.

People applaud him for having 21 points in a loss where he shot 6-16 and got his ass bust by a rookie in overtime...not that he had a bad game necessarily but Lin fans can't give him or let others give him criticism without pulling out the race card.

Pointguard

11-05-2012, 01:49 PM

Ok, I don't get it. Did Lin do it for the money or didn't he? I'm not sure what you're trying to say. If he didn't do it for money, then what did he do it for? Fun? Just ****ing with the Knicks? I think a Harvard graduate would have a good idea of "where the money is".

Lin did for one simple reason. One team wanted him more than the other. And when you've been kicked around the league and almost had to find another job, there is NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING, that feels better than being wanted by an NBA team.

I could say "SURE" money was the reason, which would seem incredibly odd for a young Harvard business grad. (to make his decision on 4 Million sure money vs. a potential 10 million to 30 million more and the possibility for an international Brand name which was already in effect in NY - when 23 million is guaranteed money) but I'm not in his head. I can't say I know for sure what they teach at Harvard Business School these days. To me the only way its a monetary decision is that he lacked confidence in himself to take on a possible international audience and NY pressure (possible due to injury). I could say he didn't want the responsibility of Linsanity in NY. I could say he knew of internal team problems and jealousy? But I don't really know. I personally think it was all of these together, but its just an opinion. and one that I could understand if it was all of that. But because he doesn't say anything. All we really have is the foul way that it all went down.

The Knicks wanted Lin bad. Houston was just clever in getting him by using the Knicks cap situation against the Knicks. I think they needed him more than the Knicks did and resorted to more desperate measures. However, Lin brokered with Houston to make sure the Knicks couldn't get him or anything in return. Houston did the same thing with Asik, as well.

Houston isn't going anywhere because they went too aggressive for guys that were all bench players a year ago - sobeit, they are all very solid players. It shocked both the Knicks and Bulls that they would go that hard for unproven players that never handled a complete full-time role. Both Lin and Asik weren't durable in part-time roles and will be taking up about 25 million in three years and the succeeding year. So Houston is in a trap for four years.

knickswin

11-05-2012, 01:59 PM

I hate it when knicks fans crap on their old players for no reason. same guys who think jeremy lin is better than steve nash and that gallo has all-world potential suddenly think lin is a flash in the pan and gallo is a passive flopper. it's because being a homer messes with your brain.

Pointguard

11-05-2012, 02:49 PM

Agree... Saying someone is an "above average" starter at the PG position these days is high praise. That means you're top 15 in all PGs.

CP3
D Will
Irving
Wall
Nash
Kidd
Westbrook
Rose
Ty Lawson
Tony Parker
Rajon Rondo
Stephen Curry
Jrue Holliday
Kyle Lowry
Jose Calderon

To be in the same level as that group, even if it's just on par with Lowry, Holliday, and Calderon... That's still pretty good. That means you're essentially expecting Lin to be a top three player on his team.

On the Knicks there is no need for him to be compared with those guys because his role would be to unite the team. But on Houston he is expected to hold his own because he's a cornerstone point like Lillard, Rose, Westbrook, CP3, Deron Williams, Irving, Lawson, Jennings, Parker, Wall, Rondo and Curry. Which is very different than the facilitator/distributer role Kidd, Nash, Calderon, Conley, Rubio and Holiday play. With the Knicks, Lin played both roles. When he's part of the first group that he gets the mediocre comparison.

Legends66NBA7

11-05-2012, 03:28 PM

So according to posts in this thread, people hate Lin cause of his race and ESPN.

I just hate his hype, that is marketed around his hot streak and race.

I don't hate the man himself, I never met him.

westside_baller

11-05-2012, 05:13 PM

Add Lillard, Jennings, maybe Rubio depending how he comes back, I mean if we are including potential as well....(which in my opinion, up until now a lot of people are using in evaluating Lin).

Lin out of 30 starting PGs is around the mean which would make him an average starter. A team would have him in their long term scheme but he could be upgraded.

Lin would not be the third best player on the Heat, Spurs, Lakers, or Thunder...aka the teams built to win rings as of now.

He's so overrated its ridiculous.

People applaud him for having 21 points in a loss where he shot 6-16 and got his ass bust by a rookie in overtime...not that he had a bad game necessarily but Lin fans can't give him or let others give him criticism without pulling out the race card.

You know what's ridiculous? His contract. I mean, it's really ridiculous.

Scal

11-05-2012, 05:25 PM

The Knicks wanted Lin bad. Houston was just clever in getting him by using the Knicks cap situation against the Knicks. I think they needed him more than the Knicks did and resorted to more desperate measures. However, Lin brokered with Houston to make sure the Knicks couldn't get him or anything in return. Houston did the same thing with Asik, as well.

Houston isn't going anywhere because they went too aggressive for guys that were all bench players a year ago - sobeit, they are all very solid players. It shocked both the Knicks and Bulls that they would go that hard for unproven players that never handled a complete full-time role. Both Lin and Asik weren't durable in part-time roles and will be taking up about 25 million in three years and the succeeding year. So Houston is in a trap for four years.

Did the Knicks really want Lin that bad? They said they would match any offer, and it's not like NY are strapped for cash? They have made far more stupid moves in recent memory. I think that it was just an out for MSG brass. Just look at Carmelo and JRs reaction after Lin left. I think once D'Antoni got the boot, Lin's time was limited in NY. Even with what he had shown during 'Linsanity', I don't think that they really though Lin was in their long term plans because of the chemistry issues with certain players (who effectively got the coach fired as well).

Houston were obviously keen to get a hold of anyone, and probably showed him a lot more love, plus give him the chance to separate himself from the whole over-hype of Linsanity and New York and start fresh in a much more healthier situation with less expectations. It was really the best move for both parties.

AK47DR91

11-05-2012, 05:45 PM

I just hate his hype, that is marketed around his hot streak and race.

I don't hate the man himself, I never met him.
So you hate Lin because of others' exploitation of his story? :facepalm

I disagree with Go Getter's opinion but at least he has a valid reason why he hates Lin.

Go Getter

11-05-2012, 07:35 PM

So you hate Lin because of others' exploitation of his story? :facepalm

I disagree with Go Getter's opinion but at least he has a valid reason why he hates Lin.

I don't hate him, I don't particularly like his game (not really enough to be among my favorite PGs), I think he's a scoring point guard when it all boils down to it, and in the NBA they are a dime a dozen.

I could see him making me eat my words and becoming an all-star (in large part to his following but he still has to play well) and I can see him kind of fizzing out and becoming a "normal" (in terms of hype and play).

I'm not ready to go either way yet.

Pointguard

11-05-2012, 07:58 PM

Did the Knicks really want Lin that bad? They said they would match any offer, and it's not like NY are strapped for cash? They have made far more stupid moves in recent memory. I think that it was just an out for MSG brass. Just look at Carmelo and JRs reaction after Lin left. I think once D'Antoni got the boot, Lin's time was limited in NY. Even with what he had shown during 'Linsanity', I don't think that they really though Lin was in their long term plans because of the chemistry issues with certain players (who effectively got the coach fired as well).

Houston were obviously keen to get a hold of anyone, and probably showed him a lot more love, plus give him the chance to separate himself from the whole over-hype of Linsanity and New York and start fresh in a much more healthier situation with less expectations. It was really the best move for both parties.
They wanted Lin within reason. Lin went out of his way to get a deal that would cost the Knicks 15 mil in his third year just because he structured the deal to screw the foundation of the team. Remind you, the Rockets thinks he worth seven million a year. The Knicks are obligated to turn their back on a guy who goes to another to team to undermine the their plans if they keep him. Teams weren't ready to undermine their team for Dwight Howard - the obvious best center in the league. Lin is at best a third tier point that is definitely not a top 10 point guard. Plus, he's sneaky and can't be trusted. I wouldn't want to pay a guy that that takes it upon his back to mess up team plans, what 28 million? When he could have had 25 million if he structure it differently for sure. With the potential of doubling it if he believed in his brand.

Houston, which payed Asik more, is in a situation where they have almost have to trade one of them after the third year. Harden seems to do everything that Lin can do, at least one notch better. They can't have a great plan with Asik and Lin eating up a lot of cap space, three years down the line. They can be fine players and productive players but they don't seem like cornerstones around Harden. Of course, I could be wrong.

Bigsmoke

11-05-2012, 07:59 PM

the attention he gets is annoying

NumberSix

11-05-2012, 08:02 PM

You know what's ridiculous? His contract. I mean, it's really ridiculous.
Whatever. If they're willing to pay it to him, obviously he should take it.

Go Getter

11-05-2012, 08:03 PM

They wanted Lin within reason. Lin went out of his way to get a deal that would cost the Knicks 15 mil in his third year just because he structured the deal to screw the foundation of the team. Remind you, the Rockets thinks he worth seven million a year. The Knicks are obligated to turn their back on a guy who goes to another to team to undermine the their plans if they keep him. Teams weren't ready to undermine their team for Dwight Howard - the obvious best center in the league. Lin is at best a third tier point that is definitely not a top 10 point guard. Plus, he's sneaky and can't be trusted. I wouldn't want to pay a guy that that takes it upon his back to mess up team plans, what 28 million? When he could have had 25 million if he structure it differently for sure. With the potential of doubling it if he believed in his brand.

Houston, which payed Asik more, is in a situation where they have almost have to trade one of them after the third year. Harden seems to do everything that Lin can do, at least one notch better. They can't have a great plan with Asik and Lin eating up a lot of cap space, three years down the line. They can be fine players and productive players but they don't seem like cornerstones around Harden. Of course, I could be wrong.

Asik is good defensively but isn't quite an anchor (yet, he might get there) and his offense is putrid. Bad hands, poor coordination. I don't think he's worth all that $$$.

Lin can actually generate $ for the franchise, especially since they probably have many residual fans in China from the Ming years...in that regard I see it as a good move...maybe the organization has seen that while rebuilding the connection with China helps them stay afloat financially? You can't hate them for that. Without a top 10 Star in this league, supporting players, and a good system/coaching you pretty much have to tread water until you hit pay dirt in the draft or in FA.

SyRyanYang

11-05-2012, 08:08 PM

the attention he gets is annoying
this basically=jealous

blood yes

11-05-2012, 08:22 PM

Segatti

11-05-2012, 08:24 PM

People hate on him because the linsanity thing. But he's a very good player still.

NumberSix

11-05-2012, 08:28 PM

ive noticed that the majority of lebron fans hate lin, and the kobe fans love jeremy lin.

i used to hate both lebron and kobe fans, but i respect kobe fans more because they know a good player when they see one (jeremy lin)
Well, that's not really a fair comparison. Jeremy Lin got famous as a Knick. Of course Heat fans hate a Knicks player. There's no rivalry between LAL and NYK. Kobe/Lakers fans had no reason to hate Lin. Even though, oddly enough. Lin lit up the Lakers and got embarrassed by the heat.

Now that Lin is in Houston, I don't think any Heat/LeBron fans have any animosity towards him.

BuffaloBill

11-05-2012, 08:32 PM

Jeremy Lin is a good basketball player

blood yes

11-05-2012, 08:39 PM

Well, that's not really a fair comparison. Jeremy Lin got famous as a Knick. Of course Heat fans hate a Knicks player. There's no rivalry between LAL and NYK. Kobe/Lakers fans had no reason to hate Lin. Even though, oddly enough. Lin lit up the Lakers and got embarrassed by the heat.

Now that Lin is in Houston, I don't think any Heat/LeBron fans have any animosity towards him.
have you been reading the posts in this thread? like 10 lebron fans wished torn acls for lin

BrooklynZoo

11-05-2012, 11:29 PM

most black people hate him cause they think why is an asian guy getting all the attention when "black players do this stuff all the time". as if black players didnt get attention smh

Nevaeh

11-06-2012, 12:15 AM

most black people hate him cause they think why is an asian guy getting all the attention when "black players do this stuff all the time". as if black players didnt get attention smh

No, that's straight generalized bullsh!t. When J-Lin was going off, everyone was giving him props. All some people were saying was "lets see if he can do it over an extended period of time", which is how you truly judge players.

He was hyped to hell and back based on a month of play, yet the minute anyone showed skepticism over his ability to sustain it, peeps started crying "racism". If you don't want Lin to be criticized, then you better hope he finds a new career not related to the NBA.

This is ISH, where even top tier Players get criticized daily.