Jeremy Lin and the ROckets played well today!

[blood yes]

I know it was against the crappy Pistons, but still, JLin, 8 assists, ZERO turnovers, in 25 mins of play?

Not bad :applause:

Ofc, James Harden, and Asik did good as well, and i loved seeing Terrence Jones out on the floor for the first time, same with D-Mo

[Foster5k]

If you want to look like world beaters, play against the 2013 Detroit Pistons.

[Shepseskaf]

I know it was against the crappy Pistons, but still, JLin, 8 assists, ZERO turnovers, in 25 mins of play?

Not bad :applause:

Ofc, James Harden, and Asik did good as well, and i loved seeing Terrence Jones out on the floor for the first time, same with D-Mo
I don't consider scoring 7 points and shooting 2-7 (.285) "not bad" for Lin, but that's just me.

Harden shot 6-14 and had 5TO. Not great either.

And this was against the 0-7 Pistons, perhaps the worst team in the league. Wait until the Rockets play the Heat next.

[FKAri]

Why are the Pistons doing so poorly tho? :(

[Shepseskaf]

Why are the Pistons doing so poorly tho? :(
Horrible moves and judgment by GM Dumars.

[blood yes]

I don't consider scoring 7 points and shooting 2-7 (.285) "not bad" for Lin, but that's just me.

Harden shot 6-14 and had 5TO. Not great either.

And this was against the 0-7 Pistons, perhaps the worst team in the league. Wait until the Rockets play the Heat next.
Im not sying the rockets are some second round team, and they will get blown out by LeBron and the Heat no doubt, but the rockets are doing well to start off the season.

Also, Lin isnt the scorer on this rockets team, harden is. As long as Lin is distributing 8-12 assists a night, and he is cutting down on the TOs, he is worth the contract.

[Phantom_Blue]

I don't consider scoring 7 points and shooting 2-7 (.285) "not bad" for Lin, but that's just me.

Harden shot 6-14 and had 5TO. Not great either.

And this was against the 0-7 Pistons, perhaps the worst team in the league. Wait until the Rockets play the Heat next.

Stats didn't really tell the story. Sampson basically let Lin run things as he did in the first 2 games, and the offense flowed alot smoother. He also did not force anything in the paint, usually resulting in TO's, in which he had 0 today. Correct, this is the Pistons though, so he didn't have alot of pressure, but it's still a good sign nonetheless.

Harden played alot better off the ball, but still had too many ISO blackhole moments, but he was looking for the pass a little more.

Works in progress.

[Mr. Jabbar]

Guys, sooner or later we will all realize 2012 Mike Brown coached Lakers were only able to beat: the PISTONS! , thats how bad these pistons play...

[blood yes]

Guys, sooner or later we will all realize 2012 Mike Brown coached Lakers were only able to beat: the PISTONS! , thats how bad these pistons play...
yea, i kno, the pistons suck. I think a d-league team MAY be able to hang with dem.

[Shepseskaf]

Im not sying the rockets are some second round team, and they will get blown out by LeBron and the Heat no doubt, but the rockets are doing well to start off the season.

Also, Lin isnt the scorer on this rockets team, harden is. As long as Lin is distributing 8-12 assists a night, and he is cutting down on the TOs, he is worth the contract.
I don't agree with either of your points, but we'll see how the team develops without McHale.

Before the season started, and certainly after the first two games, Houston was being billed as a playoff contender. They're definitely not that, at this point, so I wouldn't say they're "doing well". They're treading water, and learning, but nothing much more than that.

Lin is being paid $8 million a year to do a lot more than just to hand out assists. He was supposed to be a reliable second scorer for this team -- something that he's failing miserably at. He is not justifying his contract thus far.

[Shepseskaf]

Stats didn't really tell the story. Sampson basically let Lin run things as he did in the first 2 games, and the offense flowed alot smoother. He also did not force anything in the paint, usually resulting in TO's, in which he had 0 today. Correct, this is the Pistons though, so he didn't have alot of pressure, but it's still a good sign nonetheless.

Harden played alot better off the ball, but still had too many ISO blackhole moments, but he was looking for the pass a little more.

Works in progress.
I didn't catch the game, so thanks for the summary. We'll see how things develop.

[KungFuJoe]

Saw the game (crappy stream). Lin played well but it was against Detroit so ill take it with a grain of salt. Harden is having some ugly tos this season. I mean there was one play where he lost the ball, got it back, then lost it again. He's trying too hard, I think. His jumper seemed like it's coming back though.

Houston is very inconsistent. They look great for stretches then their offense looks awful for stretches. But that's expected considering all the new pieces and young guys.

[Phantom_Blue]

One problem the Rockets are going to have to address are that Lin & Harden are great pick and roll players, but they have no bigs to play with in the starting lineup. Patterson is more of a pick & pop, and Asik has terrible hands and no offensive game(I hope more games will help this though).

The next best options are Greg Smith & Jones, so we'll see if they get more playing time in future games over Patterson.

If only Amare was a couple years younger, he'd be devastating on this team, with Asik covering his mistakes.

[PyrrhusX]

Why are the Pistons doing so poorly tho? :(

Rodney Stuckey:lol

[Bigsmoke]

is this shit really thread worthy?

[Wavves]

Should we make a thread every time a player and/or team plays well? That's all I got from this thread.

[Phantom_Blue]

Should we make a thread every time a player and/or team plays well? That's all I got from this thread.

To counter that, should we make a thread every time a player or team doesn't play well?

What's the difference lol, one is negative spin, the other positive.

[niko]

So Lin played really well? Why only 25 minutes then?

[Phantom_Blue]

So Lin played really well? Why only 25 minutes then?

Could be alot of things...

1. This game was pretty much decided at the end of the 3rd, blowout in the 4th. If you notice, the entire 13 man roster got playing time.

2. Sampson wanted to go with Douglas against Will Bynum for stretches, thinking he would matchup better for defensive reasons.

3. Tail end of a back to back, with Lin,Asik & Harden playing heavy minutes in the Memphis game. Probably resting them up because it was the Pistons, and they got Miami coming up on Monday.

[millwad]

So Lin played really well? Why only 25 minutes then?
Not really, still struggling with his scoring and this was against the worst team in the league. The game against Miami is going to be a disaster.

[Klazart]

Not really, still struggling with his scoring and this was against the worst team in the league. The game against Miami is going to be a disaster.

Did you watch the game or are you basing your opinion on the box score?

[longtime lurker]

Should we make a thread every time a player and/or team plays well? That's all I got from this thread.

And he didn't even play that well either :oldlol: these guys are reaching

[Go Getter]

2-7 and people still say he had a good game for a player making 9 mil a year?


Lin fans.:facepalm

[blood yes]

Not really, still struggling with his scoring and this was against the worst team in the league. The game against Miami is going to be a disaster.
stfu lin hater. We all know you don't like lin at all, considering you. say shift bout him no matter what he does. stop faking at being a rockets fan, all u do is hate on lin, u wouldn't give him credit even if he averaged 20 assists a game

[blood yes]

2-7 and people still say he had a good game for a player making 9 mil a year?


Lin fans.:facepalm
I'm not a lin fan first of all, and second, u clearly didn't watch the game because he played great, and made all the right plays, whrich is what a pg should do.

[niko]

if 2 for 7, managing the game and not making huge mistakes are a good game then Felton is an all star.

[blood yes]

if 2 for 7, managing the game and not making huge mistakes are a good game then Felton is an all star.
I never said Jeremy was an all-star caliber player. however, he is a starter caliber pg, but stupid guys like milwad think Jeremy is fckin Daniel Gibson

[millwad]

stfu lin hater. We all know you don't like lin at all, considering you. say shift bout him no matter what he does. stop faking at being a rockets fan, all u do is hate on lin, u wouldn't give him credit even if he averaged 20 assists a game

What a retard, I've been a Rocket fan for years, even prior to registrating on this forum which was 5 years ago I was a Rocket fan.

And yes, I hate on Lin because he's overpaid and he's terrible. The only reason why he got his contract is because of his chinese heritage. What now, are you going to call me a racist?

[Boomerang]

What a retard, I've been a Rocket fan for years, even prior to registrating on this forum which was 5 years ago I was a Rocket fan.

And yes, I hate on Lin because he's overpaid and he's terrible. The only reason why he got his contract is because of his chinese heritage. What now, are you going to call me a racist?
Yes you are. How can you prove the only reason he got his contract is because he's Asian?

You can't. There's no stats to pull up, there's no quotes, NOTHING.

That is entirely your speculation.

And if I say, the only reason Kwame Brown got his contract is because he's black, I'm racist right? Same principles goes for you.

And STFU stop acting like a Rockets fan, just because you put it on as your avatar, you're not. You're just using the opportunity to bash Lin, and using that rockets avatar as a shield. You're no rocket fan, get the f out of here.

[Shepseskaf]

And STFU stop acting like a Rockets fan, just because you put it on as your avatar, you're not. You're just using the opportunity to bash Lin, and using that rockets avatar as a shield. You're no rocket fan, get the f out of here.
:roll:

This is hilarious. Is Lin's mom posting on ISH now?

[Whoah10115]

Lin is rebounding, play decent D, not turning the ball over, and shooting poorly.


He's not going to shoot this poorly all year. Remember how bad he was in the preseason? He'll be fine. His overall game is looking good.


Also, $8Million a year. To be an arguable top 15 PG in this league is very good and $8Million is a steal there.

[Micku]

From what I watched from Lin, he is a pretty solid passer. He hasn't been turning over the ball as much and his ball handling skills has improved. Still sometimes a bit awkward, and I haven't seen what happens if they put pressure on.

His scoring is a bit of a problem though. It seems like sometimes he'll try to get his and can not execute properly. His shooting percentage have been terrible this year so far.

He has quick hands and good at stealing the ball. Atm, he's top 5 in steals.

There are lots to improve though. He's okay. Average. Maybe a bit above average. His FG% is pretty bad though.

[KungFuJoe]

He's not taking it to the hole like he used to. The reason why his shooting percentage was so high during Linsanity was the ridiculous percentage he was shooting from around the paint and just outside. He was also going to the line 8-10 times a GAME, which is ridiculous for a PG. Now he's getting there like 3 or 4 times. I think his TOs are down due to him playing a bit more tentative. I hope he's just trying to figure out what works and isn't over thinking things because he is the kind of guy that thrives on the flow and feel of the game...it's when he starts questioning himself is when he starts to struggle.

[blood yes]

Lin is rebounding, play decent D, not turning the ball over, and shooting poorly.


He's not going to shoot this poorly all year. Remember how bad he was in the preseason? He'll be fine. His overall game is looking good.


Also, $8Million a year. To be an arguable top 15 PG in this league is very good and $8Million is a steal there.
You seem to actually understand that jeremy lin is a goodplayer, unlike ****** milwad

[Phantom_Blue]

He's not taking it to the hole like he used to. The reason why his shooting percentage was so high during Linsanity was the ridiculous percentage he was shooting from around the paint and just outside. He was also going to the line 8-10 times a GAME, which is ridiculous for a PG. Now he's getting there like 3 or 4 times. I think his TOs are down due to him playing a bit more tentative. I hope he's just trying to figure out what works and isn't over thinking things because he is the kind of guy that thrives on the flow and feel of the game...it's when he starts questioning himself is when he starts to struggle.

TBH, the people straight bashing him obviously didn't watch the game and are taking things out of context lol.

Somehow, Jermey playing "well" was translated to, "Jeremy is playing like an all-star, living up to his contract, way better than Felton, top 5 guard in the league" for these guys. Of course he's not any of those yet, no one said he was.

Anyway to your post, there are several things not working in his favor aside from the chemistry issues and him learning a new system:

-No athletic big to run pick & roll with

-The Rockets shooting a horrible 28% from 3's, while taking the most in the league, allowing the opp. D to sag into the paint preventing driving lanes(Detroit played some zone and really shut them down for awhile). This is why their D is so important, allowing them to get TO's and run.

-The offense was running through Harden in the 2 losses, with Lin basically bringing the ball up and spotting up, or trying to create something in the end. That started to change though in the Pistons game, we'll see if it lasts.

When the team chemistry and shooting improves, I suspect we'll start seeing steadier numbers from Lin. It will be interesting to see if they get an athletic big to run P&R with through a trade.

[Klazart]

We all know Lin is a liability on defense. Just to provide some evidence to support that theory here are stats from Synergy for some Rockets' players this season.

Overall PPP(Point per possession allowed):

Lin: 0.59(ranked 15 in NBA for all positions so far)
Harden: 1.03(ranked 182)
Parsons: 0.77(ranked 69)
Patterson: 0.89(ranked 125)
Asik: 0.68(ranked 38)
Douglas: 0.97(ranked 155)

Last season.

Lin: 0.81(ranked 128)
Harden: 0.85(ranked 218)
Parsons:0.83(ranked 166)
Patterson: 0.89(ranked 302)
Asik:0.71(ranked 24)
Douglas: 0.87(ranked 257)

It's early in the season, so hopefully Lin can work hard and improve his defense.

[millwad]

Yes you are. How can you prove the only reason he got his contract is because he's Asian?

You can't. There's no stats to pull up, there's no quotes, NOTHING.

That is entirely your speculation.

And if I say, the only reason Kwame Brown got his contract is because he's black, I'm racist right? Same principles goes for you.

And STFU stop acting like a Rockets fan, just because you put it on as your avatar, you're not. You're just using the opportunity to bash Lin, and using that rockets avatar as a shield. You're no rocket fan, get the f out of here.

It's obvious he got signed for marketing a la China, if Jeremy Lin was another black player he wouldn't have got the contract he got. Look at Sessions, he had a crazy Linsanity-like run in Milwuakee, he got 16 millions over 4 years for his amazing games.

And haha, you've been on this site for like 5 months.. I've been repping the Rockets since 2007 on this site.

[millwad]

We all know Lin is a liability on defense. Just to provide some evidence to support that theory here are stats from Synergy for some Rockets' players this season.

Overall PPP(Point per possession allowed):

Lin: 0.59(ranked 15 in NBA for all positions so far)
Harden: 1.03(ranked 182)
Parsons: 0.77(ranked 69)
Patterson: 0.89(ranked 125)
Asik: 0.68(ranked 38)
Douglas: 0.97(ranked 155)

Last season.

Lin: 0.81(ranked 128)
Harden: 0.85(ranked 218)
Parsons:0.83(ranked 166)
Patterson: 0.89(ranked 302)
Asik:0.71(ranked 24)
Douglas: 0.87(ranked 257)

It's early in the season, so hopefully Lin can work hard and improve his defense.

That's a bogus stat, based on those numbers Lin is a better defender than Asik.. :facepalm

Then you need to realize that point guards are the one's who shoot with the lowest FG% a and Lin hasn't faced any great scoring point guards yet. Wait 'til he faces CP3, DWill, Westbrook, Curry, Parker, Irving, Wall, Rondo, Rose etc..

[millwad]

You seem to actually understand that jeremy lin is a goodplayer, unlike ****** milwad

You seem mad, LOF:er with no doubt..

LIN FAN ONLY!

[Klazart]

It's obvious he got signed for marketing a la China, if Jeremy Lin was another black player he wouldn't have got the contract he got. Look at Sessions, he had a crazy Linsanity-like run in Milwuakee, he got 16 millions over 4 years for his amazing games.

And haha, you've been on this site for like 5 months.. I've been repping the Rockets since 2007 on this site.

Lin is being paid $8 million/year. That salary is comparable to average PGs in the league.

I think if you compare his stats so far this season to other PGs who are being paid the same you will find that he is a bargain at this price.

This is despite the fact that the coaches have been restricting his touches and playing him as a 3 point spot up shooter (which he isn't) and asking him to camp in the corner while they get Harden to try and take on the PG duties, a strategy that if you are actually WATCHING the rockets play as completely backfired for all concerned and negatively impacted not just Lin's play but also Harden's and the team's offensive chemistry.

[Klazart]

That's a bogus stat, based on those numbers Lin is a better defender than Asik.. :facepalm

Then you need to realize that point guards are the one's who shoot with the lowest FG% a and Lin hasn't faced any great scoring point guards yet. Wait 'til he faces CP3, DWill, Westbrook, Curry, Parker, Irving, Wall, Rondo, Rose etc..

Of course he isn't a better defender than Asik. But the stat is not bogus either.

The way I see it, defense is a team game. And I think it works both ways.

His team mates help D on the PnR are probably contributing to his numbers. For example with Asik's blocking and help D from the likes of Morris/Patterson.

On the other hand, when Lin get's picked and there is no help D and the opposing PG gets to the rim, his detractors want to put all the blame on him, when again, it's a team issue.

I think Lin is an above average defender and that is what this stat shows. He certainly is not a defensive liability as some would like to believe.

As for the opposition. Well I think he's faced some decent players, but not the best yet. Then again, Harden's numbers are worse and it's not like he's been facing Kobe or other offensive demons.

The only place Lin has really looked vulnerable on defense from watching the games is when he gambles on help D and leaves his man with a relatively uncontested 3. But this might very well be a coaching thing as McHale might prefer contesting in the paint and letting people who aren't known 3 point snipers jack up 3s. It's certainly the higher percentage play.

[millwad]

Lin is being paid $8 million/year. That salary is comparable to average PGs in the league.

I think if you compare his stats so far this season to other PGs who are being paid the same you will find that he is a bargain at this price.



He's not a bargain at all;

Westbrook: 13.6 million
Parker: 12.5 million
Lowry: 5.7 million
Dragic: 7.5 million
Collison: 2.3 million
Mo Williams: 8.5 million
Nash: 8.7 million
George Hill: 8 million
John Wall: 5.9 million
Curry: 3.9 million
Felton: 3.4 million
Andre Miller: 5 million
Lawson: 10 million (real salary over 5 years)
Barea: 4.4 million
Teague: 2.4 million
Conley: 7.3 million
Chalmers: 4 million

How is Jeremy Lin a bargain... :facepalm

[millwad]

Of course he isn't a better defender than Asik. But the stat is not bogus either.

The way I see it, defense is a team game. And I think it works both ways.

His team mates help D on the PnR are probably contributing to his numbers. For example with Asik's blocking and help D from the likes of Morris/Patterson.

On the other hand, when Lin get's picked and there is no help D and the opposing PG gets to the rim, his detractors want to put all the blame on him, when again, it's a team issue.

I think Lin is an above average defender and that is what this stat shows. He certainly is not a defensive liability as some would like to believe.

As for the opposition. Well I think he's faced some decent players, but not the best yet. Then again, Harden's numbers are worse and it's not like he's been facing Kobe or other offensive demons.

The only place Lin has really looked vulnerable on defense from watching the games is when he gambles on help D and leaves his man with a relatively uncontested 3. But this might very well be a coaching thing as McHale might prefer contesting in the paint and letting people who aren't known 3 point snipers jack up 3s. It's certainly the higher percentage play.

He is not an above average defender, not even close. I'm not saying he is this major liability but the guy gets burned alot and his steals are sure thing a nice feature in his game but he takes alot of risks as well and he has left his guys pretty open at times. He's a mediocre defender and mediocre on offense.

[Klazart]

He is not an above average defender, not even close. I'm not saying he is this major liability but the guy gets burned alot and his steals are sure thing a nice feature in his game but he takes alot of risks as well and he has left his guys pretty open at times. He's a mediocre defender and mediocre on offense.

Well I'll respectfully disagree.

He doesn't get burned a lot. If you want to look very superficially at box scores you might be able to make such a claim, however if you look at the individual plays in context it's clear that he does a good job on defense.

If you watch the rockets play this season, it's clear that Harden is far weaker on defense, yet no one is calling him a defensive liability. To be honest, I don't blame him because he's new to the role, the team is still gelling and the coaches are asking far too much from him.

As for Lin's offense, that's another debate entirely, and another area where I suspect you are ignoring context and actual gameplay for superficial box scores to support your confirmation bias.

[millwad]

Well I'll respectfully disagree.

He doesn't get burned a lot. If you want to look very superficially at box scores you might be able to make such a claim, however if you look at the individual plays in context it's clear that he does a good job on defense.

If you watch the rockets play this season, it's clear that Harden is far weaker on defense, yet no one is calling him a defensive liability. To be honest, I don't blame him because he's new to the role, the team is still gelling and the coaches are asking far too much from him.

As for Lin's offense, that's another debate entirely, and another area where I suspect you are ignoring context and actual gameplay for superficial box scores to support your confirmation bias.

Lets agree that we disagree.

Just so you know, I have no interest in seeing Lin fail. I am a Rocket fan and Lin was still in HS when I started to follow the Rockets, I only wish him success because a great Lin will give the Rockets a much greater chance to become great as well.

I'm not happy at all this far though, they gave up one great point guard in Dragic for a completely unproven Lin and this far I am not impressed at all and there are several things with his game that I'm very skeptical towards.

But hey, if he proves me wrong I'm the first one to tell so and I'm the first one to give him recognition for it and it's my only wish as a Rocket fan.

[Klazart]

As for him being a bargain or not... I suppose a lot of that comes down to the subjective issue of how you rate him as a player where you and I are quite far apart...

However...

From this article : http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/48033/jeremy-lins-contract-in-perspective


Chris Paul, $17.79 million
Deron Williams, avg $20 million
Derrick Rose, $15.5 million
Russell Westbrook, $12.9 million
Tony Parker, $12.5 million
Rajon Rondo, $11 million
Jose Calderon, $10.5 million
Steve Nash, $9 million
Rodney Stuckey, $8.5 million
Goran Dragic, $8.5 million
Devin Harris, $8.5 million
George Hill, $8 million
Mike Conley, $7.3 million
Kyle Lowry, $5.8 million
Jarrett Jack, $5.4 million
Andre Miller, $5 million
Luke Ridnour, $4 million
Ray Felton, $3.3 million

So from Stuckey at 8.5 to Conley at 7.3. I think to say that Lin is overpaid is really stretching it.

Watching Lin play, I think if he was allowed freedom and utilised properly he wouldn't be far from 18/8 which is a bargain at $8M/year.

However, right now, he is being played as a spot up corner shooter, not being used as the primary playmaker and having virtually no screens set for him. In that context his stats will of course suffer.

I don't mind having legitimate discussions of a player's ability/value. What irritates me is when people jump to superficial conclusions without assessing the full context of a situation.

Look at the Lakers. Are all those superstars suddenly scrubs?

[millwad]

As for him being a bargain or not... I suppose a lot of that comes down to the subjective issue of how you rate him as a player where you and I are quite far apart...

However...

From this article : http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/48033/jeremy-lins-contract-in-perspective



So from Stuckey at 8.5 to Conley at 7.3. I think to say that Lin is overpaid is really stretching it.

Watching Lin play, I think if he was allowed freedom and utilised properly he wouldn't be far from 18/8 which is a bargain at $8M/year.

However, right now, he is being played as a spot up corner shooter, not being used as the primary playmaker and having virtually no screens set for him. In that context his stats will of course suffer.

I don't mind having legitimate discussions of a player's ability/value. What irritates me is when people jump to superficial conclusions without assessing the full context of a situation.

Look at the Lakers. Are all those superstars suddenly scrubs?

Now you're reaching, first of all, Stuckey is not playing point guard in Detroit.

And I just took the yearly incomes from basketball-reference and he's frankly not a Dragic or Conley and his contract is built up in a terrible way for the Rockets where they have to pay him 15 million the last year which makes him untradeable..

[Klazart]

Lets agree that we disagree.

Just so you know, I have no interest in seeing Lin fail. I am a Rocket fan and Lin was still in HS when I started to follow the Rockets, I only wish him success because a great Lin will give the Rockets a much greater chance to become great as well.

I'm not happy at all this far though, they gave up one great point guard in Dragic for a completely unproven Lin and this far I am not impressed at all and there are several things with his game that I'm very skeptical towards.

But hey, if he proves me wrong I'm the first one to tell so and I'm the first one to give him recognition for it and it's my only wish as a Rocket fan.

I totally get where you are coming from. Though I don't think it's fair to blame lin for releasing Dragic. They let dragic go because they didn't want to give him the player option.

What I want to ask you though is if you have been watching the Rocket's play this season. If you have... have you not noticed the following?

1) Lin is being asked to bring the ball up, give it to Harden then go stand in the corner.

2) He's being played as a spot up shooter. (How can his FG% not suffer when that's not the kind of player he is.)

3) He is not getting screens set for him.

4) When he leads the offense it looks MUCH smoother. The last game against the Pistons was a perfect example of this. When Lin was out the offense looked UGLY. When he came back in and was allowed to run the point the rockets ran over the Pistons and blew the game open.

I just want people to give him a chance. If you listen to coach Sampson's post game interview after the Pistons game he actually said that he thought TONY DOUGLAS was a better match up against the pistons' back-up PG than Lin and that TD was better at playmaking in transition than Lin... now anyone who has watched Douglas play will tell you how laughable those comments are. And that's the kind of stuff that makes you feel, that it's not that Lin is being treated as unproven, but that he is being judged as being worse than Tony Douglas without even being given a chance.

[Klazart]

Now you're reaching, first of all, Stuckey is not playing point guard in Detroit.

And I just took the yearly incomes from basketball-reference and he's frankly not a Dragic or Conley and his contract is built up in a terrible way for the Rockets where they have to pay him 15 million the last year which makes him untradeable..

It's not my article that puts Stuckey as a PG but ESPN's. As for the contract it actually is good for Housten because it gives them the cap space right now to get another Max contract player.

I think it's understandable you've got a lot of love for Dragic, having supported the Rockets, but I think you're severely underselling Lin.

[millwad]

It's not my article that puts Stuckey as a PG but ESPN's. As for the contract it actually is good for Housten because it gives them the cap space right now to get another Max contract player.

I think it's understandable you've got a lot of love for Dragic, having supported the Rockets, but I think you're severely underselling Lin.

You should know that he's playing SG and that Knight is their PG.

And I just posted more player and their salaries and suddenly Lin's contract is less of a beauty.

And the name of the team is Houston, not "Housten". And look at the rockets, they have cheap players so the way the contract was constructed was only so the Knicks wouldn't be able to pay for him. And if Lin doesn't live up to the hype which he hasn't this far, then Houston will be stuck with his awful contract for 3 years without any possible ways out of it..

[Klazart]

You should know that he's playing SG and that Knight is their PG.

And I just posted more player and their salaries and suddenly Lin's contract is less of a beauty.

And the name of the team is Houston, not "Housten".

It's called a typo. As for Knight and Stuckey. I noticed a bit of switching there. Sometimes it was Harden guarding stuckey and other times it was Lin.


And look at the rockets, they have cheap players so the way the contract was constructed was only so the Knicks wouldn't be able to pay for him. And if Lin doesn't live up to the hype which he hasn't this far, then Houston will be stuck with his awful contract for 3 years without any possible ways out of it..

Lin doesn't need to live up to the hype of Linsanity to justify his contract. I think he can do 18/8. You keep ignoring the fact that he's being badly misused right now. Despite that his stats are pretty good. While he isn't scoring a lot he is running the offense well, when given the chance. He's cut down on his turnovers and is rebounding well. He had 10 rebounds a couple of games ago and 6 against Detroit.

Also, I've asked you like four times now and I'll ask you again, have you actually watched all or any of Houston's games this season? Because I have, from start to finish.

[millwad]

It's called a typo. As for Knight and Stuckey. I noticed a bit of switching there. Sometimes it was Harden guarding stuckey and other times it was Lin.

Defense and offense is a completely different thing and Knight is still the point guard, that shouldn't be hard to understand.



Lin doesn't need to live up to the hype of Linsanity to justify his contract. I think he can do 18/8. You keep ignoring the fact that he's being badly misused right now. Despite that his stats are pretty good. While he isn't scoring a lot he is running the offense well, when given the chance. He's cut down on his turnovers and is rebounding well. He had 10 rebounds a couple of games ago and 6 against Detroit.

Also, I've asked you like four times now and I'll ask you again, have you actually watched all or any of Houston's games this season? Because I have, from start to finish.

First of all, Lin didn't grab 6 rebounds against Detroit, he grabbed 4 both times.

If Lin does 18 and 8 I will be really pleased and the fact that he's being misused is not only the coaching staff's fault, the guy is even afraid of shooting and we saw how it ended when Bayless didn't allow him to bring up the ball up.

And of course I've seen every game, I have LP and I have seen every second of every game and I'm not impressed by Lin at all. He looks mediocre. Mediocre defense and mediocre offense at best. I doubt that you've seen all the games since you even used a source where Stuckey was called a PG when the Rockets have faced Detroit twice this season and we all know who the PG is..

[ripthekik]

Would you all just chill and stop hating on the guy :oldlol:
He came out undrafted, give him some time man
Esp if you're a Rockets fan, SUPPORT your player, not nail him after 5? games


Plus he's really not doing so bad right now. If you're expecting Chris Paul or Deron Williams to show up in your team of course you're going to be disappointed :oldlol:

[Shepseskaf]

Lin doesn't need to live up to the hype of Linsanity to justify his contract. I think he can do 18/8. You keep ignoring the fact that he's being badly misused right now. Despite that his stats are pretty good. While he isn't scoring a lot he is running the offense well, when given the chance. He's cut down on his turnovers and is rebounding well. He had 10 rebounds a couple of games ago and 6 against Detroit.

Also, I've asked you like four times now and I'll ask you again, have you actually watched all or any of Houston's games this season? Because I have, from start to finish.
I've watched three games from start to finish, and my impression is that the Rockets aren't misusing Lin, they're protecting him. More minutes and more ball-handling means more turnovers.

Watch carefully the amount of minutes that Lin gets under Sampson in the next few games. If it stays at around 25 - 28 minutes and Toney Douglas is getting the rest, it will tell you two likely things:

1) The coaching staff, after watching tape, feels that playing Lin 30+ minutes leads to more turnovers

2) They feel that Douglas is better defensively

That's just a hypothesis, but something to keep your eyes on.

[Mr. NBA]

Having to post a thread about Lin playing a decent game isn't needed at all. If your boy Lin performed well every day there would be more believers. But if you have to post a thread because he played one ok game means he didn't perform well previously. You can't make us believers , when ever he performs is when he will get his credit.

[bluechox2]

Rockets are paying Lin 8 mill each for 3 years, no 15 in last but 8

[Go Getter]

Rockets are paying Lin 8 mill each for 3 years, no 15 in last but 8
Last year is a "poison pill.". He gets more $.

[BlitzForce]

Salary is 5, 5, 15 for Lin
the cap hit is 8.3 across

[Klazart]

I've watched three games from start to finish, and my impression is that the Rockets aren't misusing Lin, they're protecting him. More minutes and more ball-handling means more turnovers.

Watch carefully the amount of minutes that Lin gets under Sampson in the next few games. If it stays at around 25 - 28 minutes and Toney Douglas is getting the rest, it will tell you two likely things:

1) The coaching staff, after watching tape, feels that playing Lin 30+ minutes leads to more turnovers

2) They feel that Douglas is better defensively

That's just a hypothesis, but something to keep your eyes on.

In the first two games, Lin played as the PG and Harden as the SG. They combined incredibly well and Harden had those 40 point games. Lin did well in these games though not amazingly. The second game he had 20/10/7 Almost a tripple double.

Then they changed it to make Lin camp at the corner and let Harden handle the ball. Three games have shown it as a completely failed experiment. TD has been more than useless. Harden has gotten badly exposed trying to play ISO heroball and his turnovers have skyrocketed.

In the Pistons game they again tried to make Douglas play the point and he was once more all over the place. Sampson had no choice but to put Lin back in because the offense was useless without him. This time he played the point and ran the offense and the rockets ended up with a blow out.

Your hypothesis sounds more like confirmation bias and a self-fullfilling prophecy.

You say that he isn't good enough. Then you put him out of position, completely ignore his strengths and give him a marginal role. Then, when he is unable to excel at something he was never good at to begin with (being a spot up 3 point shooter) you say, ah, I knew he was shit.

All it proves is that the same predujice and bias that has dogged Lin his entire career has followed him to Houston as well. How can you conclude after so few games, where he hasn't been allowed to play as a PG that he shouldn't even get a chance to prove himself in the role and justify that as anything except bias, I don't know.

[2LeTTeRS]

He's not a bargain at all;

Westbrook: 13.6 million
Parker: 12.5 million
Lowry: 5.7 million
Dragic: 7.5 million
Collison: 2.3 million
Mo Williams: 8.5 million
Nash: 8.7 million
George Hill: 8 million
John Wall: 5.9 million
Curry: 3.9 million
Felton: 3.4 million
Andre Miller: 5 million
Lawson: 10 million (real salary over 5 years)
Barea: 4.4 million
Teague: 2.4 million
Conley: 7.3 million
Chalmers: 4 million

How is Jeremy Lin a bargain... :facepalm

Take out the guys on rookie deals and get back with me.

[Shepseskaf]

All it proves is that the same predujice and bias that has dogged Lin his entire career has followed him to Houston as well. How can you conclude after so few games, where he hasn't been allowed to play as a PG that he shouldn't even get a chance to prove himself in the role and justify that as anything except bias, I don't know.
Its obvious that Lin is your guy, and you're going to support him no matter what, but you have to be rational about this.

Are you saying that the Rockets coaches, after reviewing hours of tape, are deliberately sabotaging Lin?

If he begins to get less minutes, then are the coaches prejudiced and biased against Lin?

:facepalm

[millwad]

All it proves is that the same predujice and bias that has dogged Lin his entire career has followed him to Houston as well. How can you conclude after so few games, where he hasn't been allowed to play as a PG that he shouldn't even get a chance to prove himself in the role and justify that as anything except bias, I don't know.

Exactly, they just happened to pick Lin as their starting point guard while not even trying to get back their former rising elite point guard, Dragic just because of prejudice and ignorance.

In fact, their prejudice against Lin led the Houston Rockets to pay the second highest salary among point guards in franchise history to Jeremy Lin...

[ZenMaster]

Last year is a "poison pill.". He gets more $.

No you're wrong, not for Houston.

[stevieming]

I totally get where you are coming from. Though I don't think it's fair to blame lin for releasing Dragic. They let dragic go because they didn't want to give him the player option.

What I want to ask you though is if you have been watching the Rocket's play this season. If you have... have you not noticed the following?

1) Lin is being asked to bring the ball up, give it to Harden then go stand in the corner.

2) He's being played as a spot up shooter. (How can his FG% not suffer when that's not the kind of player he is.)

3) He is not getting screens set for him.

4) When he leads the offense it looks MUCH smoother. The last game against the Pistons was a perfect example of this. When Lin was out the offense looked UGLY. When he came back in and was allowed to run the point the rockets ran over the Pistons and blew the game open.

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Dude, Lin does gets screens, he actively calls for them. But now the roll defender knows the best way to guard Lin is to show hard, which has negated a lot of his moves.

Lin is hesitating on open shots (mainly threes), because he has been bricking them. Can't fault the man, especially since he's not a great shooter anyway.

Bringing the ball up all the time is tiring, especially against D that wants a piece of you. If you played as a PG you would know this. So giving the ball up to Harden gives Lin a breather from time to time.

Also, as a guy that brings the ball up, it's hard to always make something happen from the first play, and this is something that Jeremy likes to do, it's actually what I like to do as a player as well. High risk play, as the defence is usually set and prepared, so you end up with either Lin getting a tough layup (which he did last year, but not this year as he's not making them.) or an assist or a turnover. Rarely do I see the Rockets swing the ball and letting the offence develop from the second. third pass.

It's a long season, and I think it would be wise to ensure Jeremy doesn't get exhausted. As he is the best passer on that team or share that honour with James harden.

[Go Getter]

No you're wrong, not for Houston.
In the last year he gets 15 mul IIRC that's the poison pill.

[blood yes]

Would you all just chill and stop hating on the guy :oldlol:
He came out undrafted, give him some time man
Esp if you're a Rockets fan, SUPPORT your player, not nail him after 5? games


Plus he's really not doing so bad right now. If you're expecting Chris Paul or Deron Williams to show up in your team of course you're going to be disappointed :oldlol:
I usually don't agree with you, but you and me seem to be the only smart ones on this thread. Milwad is a dumbass, he criticizes Lin like a ****in dumbshit madman

[soadrules]

In the last year he gets 15 mul IIRC that's the poison pill.

8 Mill of that doesn't go to the cap, however, it would have if NYK signed him.