Melo is the league's leading scorer

[Shepseskaf]

At 27.3ppg, Melo is now the leading scorer in the league. Kobe is second at 27.2ppg, and a fading Harden falls to 26.5ppg. Any bets on how far Harden will drop?

Melo is #1 in Usage % and #10 in PER.

Strong start for Melo, and if the Knicks stay solid for the season he should be a top MVP contender.

[alenleomessi]

24ppg for harden is realistic... i still think durant wins it though

[Shepseskaf]

24ppg for harden is realistic... i still think durant wins it though
Agreed on both points.

[lakerspng]

Melo will continue to be as long as amare is out.

Durant will start gunning for it though just as he did last season down the stretch and without harden scoring off the bench for them, he will probably take it.

Harden will settle in around 23 ppg

Kobe will probably come in second as he did last year but on much better efficiency... Much Much better efficiency.

[Shepseskaf]

Kobe will probably come in second as he did last year but on much better efficiency... Much Much better efficiency.
Why do you think he'll do that? During his prime years he shot between .430 - .450. Now, he's at .559.

Its gonna be hard for him to maintain that for an entire year, imo. Kudos to him if he ends up above 50%, though.

[PyrrhusX]

Think Melo will win it this year.
Durant will settle at about 25ppg imo as he tries to make his game more rounded, he is passing a heap more this year and handling the ball too. Even though James is gone, KMart is replicating the scoring Harden gave us off the bench.

I feel JH will settle at about 23ish, Kobe will stay at about 27 but I feel his efficiency will drop as the season goes on. Kevin Love could also feature when he comes back from injury.

Melo -> Kobe -> Love -> KD -> Lebron -> Harden

[pauk]

Nice, but means not much, Lebron and Durant are the best scorers in the game.

Durant/Lebron will score what is necessary in order to win right now, Lebron gave up on caring about PPG long time ago and it looks like Durant has to so far, Durant is also focusing on improving other facits of the game offensively (passing/playmaking) and other parts of his game, good for him...

This is because at the end of the day PPG doesnt matter, but winning does...

[Vertical-24]

It's still to early to determine MVP contention but hey, I expect a stellar year from him. The team has been looking more than good and Melo has carried his momentum from the Olympics with him it would seem. He's shooting great, rebounding extremely well, not playing selfishly (albeit small assist numbers due to system), and the team is looking like a true contender. I just don't know if Amare will return and f#ck up the chemistry.

[maybeshewill13]

Great start by Melo. I'm not sure who wins the scoring title this year..

Anyone who watches the Thunder has seen Durant being less aggressive shooting the ball this year. He's obviously made a conscious effort to round out his game and has been passing the ball a lot. I think he may average 25-26 this year and not win it.

Kobe has been pretty impressive, though I don't see him keeping at the efficiency level he's currently at. Hope he does though, I have him on my fantasy team. Wish he, like Durant, would cut their turnovers though.

Harden will drop to around 24 PPG.

Going to be close this year I think.

[Rysio]

Why do you think he'll do that? During his prime years he shot between .430 - .450. Now, he's at .559.

Its gonna be hard for him to maintain that for an entire year, imo. Kudos to him if he ends up above 50%, though.
lol at this. prime kobe shot between 45-47%.

[Shepseskaf]

lol at this. prime kobe shot between 45-47%.
2002-03 - .451
2003-04 - .438
2004-05 - .433
2005-06 - .450

[Clutch]

It will surely be an interesting year. Durant and LeBron obviously won't score as much as they used to. One is basically coasting (LeBron) and the second one is making his game much more well-rounded (top5 in rebounds). Kobe now has more help so he maybe won't need to score as much.

So it's pretty tough to predict who will win the scoring title this year,I think Melo has a shot but I wouldn't say he's the leading candidate to win it.

[bagelred]

Melo is #1 in Usage % and #10 in PER.



He's 4th in PER.


Actually, looking at PER.....

Melo - 4th
Rasheed - 6th
J.R.Smith - 16th
Jason Kidd - 19th

[Collie]

If NYK make a top 2 or 3 seed, I can see Melo winning the MVP as a feel good candidate ala Rose 2 years ago.

[swi7ch]

Amare needs to come back soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

[Clutch]

Amare needs to come back soon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:
Nah,Amare needs to take some time off. He needs to fully recover and then spend another week or two on a cruise or something. Life is short,he needs to enjoy in life as much as he can. Hopefully he'll get into another fight with fire extinguisher so we can void his contract.

[Rowe]

Nah,Amare needs to take some time off. He needs to fully recover and then spend another week or two on a cruise or something. Life is short,he needs to enjoy in life as much as he can. Hopefully he'll get into another fight with fire extinguisher so we can void his contract.

Yeah, we'll need him in February.

Hopefully he gets a great extended holiday vacation.

[NuggetsFan]

I hope he sustains it. Before that A.I trade\suspension he was averaging like 30+ on 50% from the field if I remember correctly.

It'll be a shame if he retires without atleast one scoring title.

[Clutch]

I hope he sustains it. Before that A.I trade\suspension he was averaging like 30+ on 50% from the field if I remember correctly.

It'll be a shame if he retires without atleast one scoring title.
I agree.

[Foster5k]

Melo is capable of winning it. Guy is a beast offensively, which everyone already knew. It was always his defense that was in question. Looks like he has stepped it up this year.

Hopefully, it equates to wins.... still don't think they can get past the Heat.. but anything is possible.

[SilkkTheShocker]

The Melo for MVP hype will fade away. The guy isn't a winner.

[Shepseskaf]

He's 4th in PER.


Actually, looking at PER.....

Melo - 4th
Rasheed - 6th
J.R.Smith - 16th
Jason Kidd - 19th
Could be a difference between reporting sources.

I'm looking at Basketball-Reference.com's 2012-13 Leaders (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013_leaders.html):

Player Efficiency Rating

1. Kyle Lowry - TOR - 31.7
2. LeBron James - MIA - 31.3
3. Jeff Teague - ATL - 30.1
4. Tim Duncan - SAS - 28.9
5. Chris Paul - LAC- 28.0
6. Chris Bosh - MIA - 27.7
7. Kobe Bryant - LAL - 26.9
8. Dwyane Wade - MIA - 26.0
9. Jamal Crawford - LAC - 25.6
10. Carmelo Anthony - NYK - 25.2

[bagelred]

Could be a difference between reporting sources.

I'm looking at Basketball-Reference.com's 2012-13 Leaders (http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013_leaders.html):

Player Efficiency Rating

1. Kyle Lowry - TOR - 31.7
2. LeBron James - MIA - 31.3
3. Jeff Teague - ATL - 30.1
4. Tim Duncan - SAS - 28.9
5. Chris Paul - LAC- 28.0
6. Chris Bosh - MIA - 27.7
7. Kobe Bryant - LAL - 26.9
8. Dwyane Wade - MIA - 26.0
9. Jamal Crawford - LAC - 25.6
10. Carmelo Anthony - NYK - 25.2

Got it from Hollinger's page:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics

[RRR3]

Melo is so ****ing overrated

[Shepseskaf]

Got it from Hollinger's page:

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics
Interesting. Both sources obviously have different ways of either compiling or calculating stats.

In any case, Melo is among the league leaders and that's what the thread's about.

[TheFan]

Right now Durant is the consensus winner...

To get a shot at the MVP, he needs: NYK to be a top 3 seed in the east while he is the best player in the team.

To Lock it, he needs to lead the league in scoring, while putting all around similar numbers to KD and the Knicks get the 1 seed in the east... if he get those you can call him MVP.

[Y2Gezee]

I think Melo has a better shot at MVP than he does scoring title.

I think when Amare returns, Melo will look to score less and be more of a spacer on more possessions that will look to score off of ball rotations from the perimeter. I think he'll finish the season around 24-25ppg. Nothing over 26, and under 26 usually doesn't mean scoring title.

The only way I see him possibly winning the scoring title is if he becomes extremely efficient from 3pt range.

[kurple]

nvm

[ClutchOver9000]

Nah,Amare needs to take some time off. He needs to fully recover and then spend another week or two on a cruise or something. Life is short,he needs to enjoy in life as much as he can. Hopefully he'll get into another fight with fire extinguisher so we can void his contract.

this

[chazzy]

Melo is so ****ing overrated
So furious. He's playing well

[TheMarkMadsen]

2002-03 - .451
2003-04 - .438
2004-05 - .433
2005-06 - .450


LOL @ Kobe's prime ending in 06 :facepalm

00-01 46%

01-02 47%

06-07 46%

07-08 46%

08-09 47%

09-10 45%


way to cherry pick and not include his entire prime.

[Legends66NBA7]

So furious. He's playing well

I would want him to get his efficiency up lit bit, but other than that he's looked good.

Possible MVP season ?

[RRR3]

So furious. He's playing well
Why would I be furious about Carmelo? The main thing I dislike about Melo is how he ruined one of my favorite players (Amar'e) but Amar'e isn't playing right now.

[NumberSix]

Melo's scoring is going to take a dive when Amar'e come back.

As for kobe. If Dwight starts shining too much for his liking, I fully expect his jealousy to take over and he'll start shooting them out of games.

[RRR3]

Melo's scoring is going to take a dive when Amar'e come back.

As for kobe. If Dwight starts shining too much for his liking, I fully expect his jealousy to take over and he'll start shooting them out of games.
Jealousbe?
Envybe?
Saltybe?



:kobe:




mamba out.

[NumberSix]

Jealousbe?
Envybe?
Saltybe?



:kobe:




mamba out.
IagoBe

[RRR3]

IagoBe
How so?

[NumberSix]

How so?
More so the recent movie version.

[RRR3]

More so the recent movie version.
Didn't see it.

[NumberSix]

Didn't see it.
It's a basketball version with Mekhi Phifer.

[RRR3]

It's a basketball version with Mekhi Phifer.
O.



http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m25dt4WFZQ1qece5p.gif



Get it? Get it? :D

[Deuce Bigalow]

Why do you think he'll do that? During his prime years he shot between .430 - .450. Now, he's at .559.

Its gonna be hard for him to maintain that for an entire year, imo. Kudos to him if he ends up above 50%, though.
During his prime years he shot .450-.469 FG.

[NumberSix]

During his prime years he shot .450-.469 FG.
http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/906248_o.gif

[che guevara]

Interesting. Both sources obviously have different ways of either compiling or calculating stats.

In any case, Melo is among the league leaders and that's what the thread's about.
Hollinger's calculations are screwed up and have been for years, there's an error in the formula he uses on ESPN (it doesn't calculate pace correctly). How nobody has noticed it after all these years is beyond me, especially since Hollinger himself is the one who came up with the formula.

bball-ref calculates PER accurately.

[Suckafree]

Durant is a historically slow starter

He will win again

[BlackVVaves]

2002-03 - .451
2003-04 - .438
2004-05 - .433
2005-06 - .450

LoL @ 2007, 2008, and 2009 not being Kobe's prime :roll:

[lilgodfather1]

If Melo can keep this up, and so do the Knicks then nobody would be shocked to see him win MVP.

He has some things going for him if he keeps this up.

1) He plays in New York.
2) He has always had hype surrounding him.
3) He plays in New York.

Yes I listed he plays in New York twice, but it is that important to his MVP hopes.

27/7/3 with the Knicks as the 2 or 3 seed will get Melo some serious MVP consideration.

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

Melo is on tear. Outside of maybe Durant, Melo is the best scorer in basketball.

[RRR3]

Melo is on tear. Outside of maybe Durant, Melo is the best scorer in basketball.
LOL never. LeBron and Kobe are both easily better scorers. A semi-good stretch for Melo doesn't change that.

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

LOL never. LeBron and Kobe are both easily better scorers. A semi-good stretch for Melo doesn't change that.

Don't see it. LeBron maybe but Kobe? nothing against him but he's not a scorer Melo is anymore. What's up with you and hating the Knicks? You mad?

[RRR3]

Don't see it. LeBron maybe but Kobe? nothing against him but he's not a scorer Melo is anymore. What's up with you and hating the Knicks? You mad?
Knicks fans like you are annoyingly cocky after a few good games. There's no "maybe" about LeBron or Kobe being better scorers, it's quite obvious. Melo is very versatile scoring wise and skilled, but his results are often subpar. Kobe is still a great scorer dafuq?:biggums:

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

Knicks fans like you are annoyingly cocky after a few good games. There's no "maybe" about LeBron or Kobe being better scorers, it's quite obvious. Melo is very versatile scoring wise and skilled, but his results are often subpar. Kobe is still a great scorer dafuq?:biggums:

No one said Kobe still wasn't a good scorer :facepalm it's posters like you that are annoyingly idiotic and don't know the sport of basketball. Just talk to throw your worthless opinion out. Paul Pierce was just quoted and said Melo was the hardest player to guard in the NBA and your going to tell me it's obvious that Kobe right now is a better scorer then Melo? Stop posting.

[RRR3]

No one said Kobe still wasn't a good scorer :facepalm it's posters like you that are annoyingly idiotic and don't know the sport of basketball. Just talk to throw your worthless opinion out. Paul Pierce was just quoted and said Melo was the hardest player to guard in the NBA and your going to tell me it's obvious that Kobe right now is a better scorer then Melo? Stop posting.
Paul Pierce is the last word now, eh?

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

Paul Pierce is the last word now, eh?

I'd take Paul Pierce's opinion over your's or any other poster on ISH.

[swi7ch]

The Melo for MVP hype will fade away. The guy isn't a winner.

He won in NCAA as the man. :confusedshrug:

[RRR3]

I'd take Paul Pierce's opinion over your's or any other poster on ISH.
Over mine, sure, but we got some pretty great posters on ISH who might disagree with you.

[Trentknicks]

Over mine, sure, but we got some pretty great posters on ISH who might disagree with you.
We sure got nearly every poster on ISH who disagrees with you, log off and get some fresh air.

[Shepseskaf]

LOL @ Kobe's prime ending in 06 :facepalm

00-01 46%

01-02 47%

06-07 46%

07-08 46%

08-09 47%

09-10 45%


way to cherry pick and not include his entire prime.
If you read and understood the context of my post, someone was trying to say that .430 shooting years were not part of Kobe's prime. I just showed that they were.

[TheBigVeto]

Paul Pierce is the last word now, eh?

Paul Pierce is the truth. He is right.

[Shepseskaf]

Hollinger's calculations are screwed up and have been for years, there's an error in the formula he uses on ESPN (it doesn't calculate pace correctly). How nobody has noticed it after all these years is beyond me, especially since Hollinger himself is the one who came up with the formula.

bball-ref calculates PER accurately.
Thanks for that explanation.

[SourPatchKids]

http://counterkicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/anthony-2.jpg

[NewYorkNoPicks]

LOL never. LeBron and Kobe are both easily better scorers. A semi-good stretch for Melo doesn't change that.

Kobe WAS...not anymore, his efficiency is decling with every passing season...and in my opinion his jump shot is suffering as well.

LeBron still is a novice in the post, and his jumper will NEVER EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR reach the Bernard King level which Melo's has been on for his entire career. So LeBron with an average post game, a below average jumper is better than Melo?

Better means more versatile...and Melo can do it all... no weaknesses in that offensive game, he's a genius

[LakersForlife]

wait till amare comes back

[Trentknicks]

Kobe WAS...not anymore, his efficiency is decling with every passing season...and in my opinion his jump shot is suffering as well.

LeBron still is a novice in the post, and his jumper will NEVER EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR reach the Bernard King level which Melo's has been on for his entire career. So LeBron with an average post game, a below average jumper is better than Melo?

Better means more versatile...and Melo can do it all... no weaknesses in that offensive game, he's a genius
Great post, Lebron's always had a team moulded for him to play to his best abilities. Melo is only just getting that luxury. New York did stuff around for 1.5 seasons getting the roster together to suit him admittedly, but the Denver set up was never ideal either.

Melo constantly had to try and play when George Karl absolutely loathed his, Jr Smith's and K-Mart's game. Karl never knew how to handle them and instead of embracing them like Woodson has, constantly benched and put them down without any explanation.

Melo's versatility is probably the best in the league but doesn't get fully utilised often enough for proper judgement to be made. Regardless, Melo > Lebron as a scorer and it's not debatable from a versatility standpoint.

[The Choken One]

Melo or Durant gets it.

Kobe still the best scorer, though. He just doesn't have to score as much as the others with his team.

[kurple]

consistency is a big part of scoring, if not the biggest. and LBJ shits on Melo in that aspect

[NewYorkNoPicks]

Great post, Lebron's always had a team moulded for him to play to his best abilities. Melo is only just getting that luxury. New York did stuff around for 1.5 seasons getting the roster together to suit him admittedly, but the Denver set up was never ideal either.

Melo constantly had to try and play when George Karl absolutely loathed his, Jr Smith's and K-Mart's game. Karl never knew how to handle them and instead of embracing them like Woodson has, constantly benched and put them down without any explanation.

Melo's versatility is probably the best in the league but doesn't get fully utilised often enough for proper judgement to be made. Regardless, Melo > Lebron as a scorer and it's not debatable from a versatility standpoint.

Yeah Mike Woodson has truly been a pleasant surprise. There isn't a better coach for this team in the entire league at the moment.

The number one factor with Mike is that the players RESPECT HIM. For lack of a better word, they really see Mike Woodson as an "OG". They relate to him, he's one of them. Coach played in the league at a high level, and he seems to really understand their personalities, their thinking, and empathize with some of the mistakes they made. It's surreal, almost like seeing your future self face to face with you now...and hearing all the wisdom from the elder you. He also makes them feel comfortable, he has a great balance of an authority figure and also a friend.

Great scenerio for us this year. I think our only problem at this point is a lack of scoring. I'd love for Grunwald to try and pick up a pure scorer at the trade deadline... With a Jason Terry type on this team we could really go far.

[RRR3]

Funny how LeBron shoots better from midrange than Melo the last two years and has a higher career 3PT%. Melo is dreadfully overrated as a shooter.



Year by year comparison then


2003-04:
LeBron: 20.9 PPG on .417/.290/.754 in regular season.
Melo: 21.0 PPG on .426/.322/.777 in regular season. 15.0 on .328/.182/.800 in playoffs.


2004-05:
LeBron: 27.2 on .472/.351/.750 in regular season.
Melo: 20.8 on .431/.266/.796 in regular season. 19.2 on .422/.000/.813 in playoffs.


2005-06:
LeBron: 31.4 on .480/.335/.738 in regular season. 30.8 on .476/.333/.737 in playoffs.
Melo: 26.5 on .481/.243/.808 in regular season. 21.0 on .333/.000/.750 in playoffs.


2006-07
LeBron: 27.3 on .476/.319/.698 in regular season. 25.1 on .416/.280/.755 in playoffs.
Melo: 28.9 on .476/.268/.808 in regular season. 26.8 on .480/.500/.795 in playoffs.


2007-08
LeBron: 30.0 (led NBA) on .484/.315/.712 in regular season. 28.2 on .411/.257/.731 in playoffs
Melo: 25.7 on .492/.354/.786 in regular season. 22.5 on .364/.250/.828 in playoffs.


2008-09
LeBron: 28.4 on .489/.344/.780 in regular season. 35.3 (led NBA) on .510/.333/.749 in playoffs.
Melo: 22.8 on .443/.371/.793 in regular season. 27.2 on .453/.364/.826 in playoffs.


2009-10
LeBron: 29.7 on .503/.333/.767 in regular season. 29.1 on .502/.400/.733 in playoffs.
Melo: 28.2 on .458/.316/.830 in regular season. 30.7 on .464/.316/.877 in playoffs.


2010-11
LeBron: 26.7 on .510/.330/.759 in regular season. 23.7 on .466/.353/.763 in playoffs.
Melo: 25.6 on .455/.378/.838 in regular season. 26.0 on .375/.346/.853 in playoffs.


2011-12
LeBron: 27.1 on .531/.362/.771 in regular season. 30.3 (led NBA) on .500/.259/.739 in playoffs.
Melo: 22.6 on .430/.335/.804 in regular season. 27.8 on .419/.222/.756 in playoffs.





Career regular season
LeBron: 27.6 PPG on .484/.332/.747.
Melo: 24.7 PPG on .456/.323/.805.


Career Playoffs
LeBron: 28.5 PPG on .469/.312/.745.
Melo: 24.9 PPG on .419/.327/.815.



50+ point games
LeBron: 9
Melo: 2


Scoring titles
LeBron: 1
Melo: 0


Playoff leader in PPG
LeBron: 2
Melo: 0


30+ PPG
LeBron: 2
Melo: 0



30+ PPG in playoffs
LeBron: 3
Melo: 1









:coleman:

[NewYorkNoPicks]

Funny how LeBron shoots better from midrange than Melo the last two years and has a higher career 3PT%. Melo is dreadfully overrated as a shooter.



Year by year comparison then


2003-04:
LeBron: 20.9 PPG on .417/.290/.754 in regular season.
Melo: 21.0 PPG on .426/.322/.777 in regular season. 15.0 on .328/.182/.800 in playoffs.


2004-05:
LeBron: 27.2 on .472/.351/.750 in regular season.
Melo: 20.8 on .431/.266/.796 in regular season. 19.2 on .422/.000/.813 in playoffs.


2005-06:
LeBron: 31.4 on .480/.335/.738 in regular season. 30.8 on .476/.333/.737 in playoffs.
Melo: 26.5 on .481/.243/.808 in regular season. 21.0 on .333/.000/.750 in playoffs.


2006-07
LeBron: 27.3 on .476/.319/.698 in regular season. 25.1 on .416/.280/.755 in playoffs.
Melo: 28.9 on .476/.268/.808 in regular season. 26.8 on .480/.500/.795 in playoffs.


2007-08
LeBron: 30.0 (led NBA) on .484/.315/.712 in regular season. 28.2 on .411/.257/.731 in playoffs
Melo: 25.7 on .492/.354/.786 in regular season. 22.5 on .364/.250/.828 in playoffs.


2008-09
LeBron: 28.4 on .489/.344/.780 in regular season. 35.3 (led NBA) on .510/.333/.749 in playoffs.
Melo: 22.8 on .443/.371/.793 in regular season. 27.2 on .453/.364/.826 in playoffs.


2009-10
LeBron: 29.7 on .503/.333/.767 in regular season. 29.1 on .502/.400/.733 in playoffs.
Melo: 28.2 on .458/.316/.830 in regular season. 30.7 on .464/.316/.877 in playoffs.


2010-11
LeBron: 26.7 on .510/.330/.759 in regular season. 23.7 on .466/.353/.763 in playoffs.
Melo: 25.6 on .455/.378/.838 in regular season. 26.0 on .375/.346/.853 in playoffs.


2011-12
LeBron: 27.1 on .531/.362/.771 in regular season. 30.3 (led NBA) on .500/.259/.739 in playoffs.
Melo: 22.6 on .430/.335/.804 in regular season. 27.8 on .419/.222/.756 in playoffs.





Career regular season
LeBron: 27.6 PPG on .484/.332/.747.
Melo: 24.7 PPG on .456/.323/.805.


Career Playoffs
LeBron: 28.5 PPG on .469/.312/.745.
Melo: 24.9 PPG on .419/.327/.815.



50+ point games
LeBron: 9
Melo: 2












:coleman:

Hey dummy...youre looking at 2 pt FG% right?

Ever stop to think that most of LeBrons shots from the field are dunks? That increases FG%

On the other hand most of Melo's shots are contested mid range jumpers...

So yes LBJ should have a higher FG% than Melo considering athe majority of his shots are dunks/layups.

I guess Tony Paker is a better shooter than Melo too because his FG% is 50% right?

Even the most ignorant of basketball fans know TP cant shoot

[RRR3]

Hey dummy...youre looking at 2 pt FG% right?

Ever stop to think that most of LeBrons shots from the field are dunks? That increases FG%

On the other hand most of Melo's shots are contested mid range jumpers...

So yes LBJ should have a higher FG% than Melo considering athe majority of his shots are dunks/layups.

I guess Tony Paker is a better shooter than Melo too because his FG% is 50% right?

Even the most ignorant of basketball fans know TP cant shoot
No LeBron has shot better from midrange last two years than Melo. Look it up. It's also not LeBron's fault he's better than Melo at getting to the rim. LeBron scores more, is more efficient, and is a far better playoff performer than Melo and is far more likely to score 50+. Not sure what the debate is.

Here's some more data



40+ games, regular season
LeBron: 48
Melo: 21



40+ games, playoffs
LeBron: 11
Melo: 4

[RRR3]

consistency is a big part of scoring, if not the biggest. and LBJ shits on Melo in that aspect
:applause: thank you. This guy gets it. It doesn't matter if LeBron isn't as "pretty" as Melo when he scores, he scores more and he's more efficient, I could care less how he gets his points as long as he gets them.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

No LeBron has shot better from midrange last two years than Melo. Look it up. It's also not LeBron's fault he's better than Melo at getting to the rim. LeBron scores more, is more efficient, and is a far better playoff performer than Melo and is far more likely to score 50+. Not sure what the debate is.

Here's some more data



40+ games, regular season
LeBron: 48
Melo: 21



40+ games, playoffs
LeBron: 11
Melo: 4


SO YOURE ADMITTING IT! LEBRONS FG% IS HIGHER BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF HIS SHOTS ARE DUNKS!

How does that make someone a better scorer?!

LeBron is ridiculously athletic, does that make him the best scorer in the league? Old Man Kobe is still light years ahead of LeBron in terms of advanced scoring.

And you dont care how LeBron gets his points? Maybe because his scoring was so one dimensional for so long that contributed to his multiple failures in the closing seconds of games?

When you can do it all on the floor, team's cant play you any specific way or exploit you in the closing seconds. You have too many options...and that is why (now this is a FACT, look it up dick) CARMELO ANTHONY HAS HIT THE MOST GAME WINNING/TYING SHOTS IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE SINCE 2003.

[RRR3]

SO YOURE ADMITTING IT! LEBRONS FG% IS HIGHER BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF HIS SHOTS ARE DUNKS!

How does that make someone a better scorer?!

LeBron is ridiculously athletic, does that make him the best scorer in the league? Old Man Kobe is still light years ahead of LeBron in terms of advanced scoring.

And you dont care how LeBron gets his points? Maybe because his scoring was so one dimensional for so long that contributed to his multiple failures in the closing seconds of games?

When you can do it all on the floor, team's cant play you any specific way or exploit you in the closing seconds. You have too many options...and that is why (now this is a FACT, look it up dick) CARMELO ANTHONY HAS HIT THE MOST GAME WINNING/TYING SHOTS IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE SINCE 2003.
That's nice. LeBron led the league in 4th quarter scoring like 4 years in a row in Cleveland, so what's your point? He also has hit plenty of game winners, and I'm fairly certain has a better percentage on game winners in the playoffs. LeBron has 6 playoff game winners. Does Melo have any? LeBron also scores more in the playoffs, so again it doesn't matter how he does it. You're arguing against facts, I find this hilarious.



ANd for the last ****ing time:
LEBRON SHOT BETTER FROM MIDRANGE THAN MELO THE LAST TWO SEASONS. MIDRANGE!!!! OR DID LEBRON DUNK THOSE TOO? :facepalm

[The Choken One]

Kobe > Durant > Melo > LeBron > half the league > Wade

[RRR3]

Kobe > Durant > Melo > LeBron > half the league > Wade
Worst list ever.

[The Choken One]

Best list ever.
Thanks cutie.

[RRR3]

Thanks cutie.
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[longtime lurker]

Lebron is not a better scorer than Melo. Only an absolute homer would think this. So far Melo has been impressive but like always consistency has always been the problem. Can he keep this up?

[NewYorkNoPicks]

That's nice. LeBron led the league in 4th quarter scoring like 4 years in a row in Cleveland, so what's your point? He also has hit plenty of game winners, and I'm fairly certain has a better percentage on game winners in the playoffs. LeBron has 6 playoff game winners. Does Melo have any? LeBron also scores more in the playoffs, so again it doesn't matter how he does it. You're arguing against facts, I find this hilarious.



ANd for the last ****ing time:
LEBRON SHOT BETTER FROM MIDRANGE THAN MELO THE LAST TWO SEASONS. MIDRANGE!!!! OR DID LEBRON DUNK THOSE TOO? :facepalm

LEBRON LED THE LEAGUE IN 4th QUARTER SCORING ON THE CAVS BECAUSE THOSE CAVS TEAMS WERE ABYSMAL!!!

BOOBIE GIBSON!? IS THAT YOUR 2nd OPTION YA FKN PRICK?

HOW ABOUT ANDERSON VAREJAO THE GARBAGE MAN?!

Horrible HORRIBLE teams in Cleveland!

SOMEBODY had to do the scoring.

And show me these mid range scoring stats. Let me see tough guy

[TheCorporation]

LOL @ Kobe's prime ending in 06 :facepalm

00-01 46%

01-02 47%

06-07 46%

07-08 46%

08-09 47%

09-10 45%


way to cherry pick and not include his entire prime.

Kobe NEVER shot above. 469 in his entire career.

[RRR3]

LEBRON LED THE LEAGUE IN 4th QUARTER SCORING ON THE CAVS BECAUSE THOSE CAVS TEAMS WERE ABYSMAL!!!

BOOBIE GIBSON!? IS THAT YOUR 2nd OPTION YA FKN PRICK?

HOW ABOUT ANDERSON VAREJAO THE GARBAGE MAN?!

Horrible HORRIBLE teams in Cleveland!

SOMEBODY had to do the scoring.

And show me these mid range scoring stats. Let me see tough guy
LeBron 47.0% from 10-15 and 39.0% from 16-23 feet in 2011-12.
http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%25&type=pg&posi=%25&yr=2012&gp2=0&mins=0

Carmelo 42.3% from 10-15 feet and 35.0% from 16-23 in 2011-12.
http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%25&type=pg&posi=%25&yr=2012&gp2=0&mins=0




LeBron 44.7% from 10-15 and 45.0% from 16-23 in 2010-11.
http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%25&type=pg&posi=%25&yr=2011&gp2=0&mins=0

Carmelo 36.8% from 10-15 feet and 40.0% from 16-23 in 2010-11.
http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%25&type=pg&posi=%25&yr=2011&gp2=0&mins=0



Darn those facts!:lol

[RRR3]

Lebron is not a better scorer than Melo. Only an absolute homer would think this. So far Melo has been impressive but like always consistency has always been the problem. Can he keep this up?
Yeah, he scores more in both the regular season and playoffs, is more efficient, and is far more likely to score 40+ and score 50+, and he also doesn't look to score nearly as much as Melo, yet still scores more on better percentages. Seriously, why the **** is Melo a better scorer? Because you say so? How long are people going to keep spouting off this nonsense about Melo when LeBron can be proven to be a better scorer?:biggums: Maybe Melo SHOULD be a better scorer, but the fact is, he's not.

[longtime lurker]

Yeah, he scores more in both the regular season and playoffs, is more efficient, and is far more likely to score 40+ and score 50+, and he also doesn't look to score nearly as much as Melo, yet still scores more on better percentages. Seriously, why the **** is Melo a better scorer? Because you say so? How long are people going to keep spouting off this nonsense about Melo when LeBron can be proven to be a better scorer?:biggums: Maybe Melo SHOULD be a better scorer, but the fact is, he's not.

Lol you sound so hurt. You should try watching both players play. Lebron scores pretty much on drives to the basket and getting fouled while Melo can score in any way you can think of. Melo is the more versatile scorer and the better pure scorer, maybe the wording is what's messing you up but it's well established by analysts, commentators, former players pretty much people that know more about the NBA than you do that Melo is one of the best pure scorers in the league. The problem with Melo has always been consistency.

[NumberSix]

Lol you sound so hurt. You should try watching both players play. Lebron scores pretty much on drives to the basket and getting fouled while Melo can score in any way you can think of. Melo is the more versatile scorer and the better pure scorer, maybe the wording is what's messing you up but it's well established by analysts, commentators, former players pretty much people that know more about the NBA than you do that Melo is one of the best pure scorers in the league. The problem with Melo has always been consistency.
Yeah, you're mad and, you're mad.

[RRR3]

Lol you sound so hurt. You should try watching both players play. Lebron scores pretty much on drives to the basket and getting fouled while Melo can score in any way you can think of. Melo is the more versatile scorer and the better pure scorer, maybe the wording is what's messing you up but it's well established by analysts, commentators, former players pretty much people that know more about the NBA than you do that Melo is one of the best pure scorers in the league. The problem with Melo has always been consistency.
I never denied Melo has more talent, but LeBron score MORE, which is all I care about. It's like saying Kevin McHale is a better scorer than Shaq because he has prettier post moves. All I care about is the end result, and LeBron scores more.

[NumberSix]

I never denied Melo has more talent, but LeBron score MORE, which is all I care about. It's like saying Kevin McHale is a better scorer than Shaq because he has prettier post moves. All I care about is the end result, and LeBron scores more.
I sure as fuq will. He doesn't.

LeBron's talent > Melo's talent. Done deal. End of story.

[longtime lurker]

Yeah, you're mad and, you're mad.

Not surprising the guy with the George Bush avatar is completely clueless :sleeping

[RRR3]

I sure as fuq will. He doesn't.

LeBron's talent > Melo's talent. Done deal. End of story.
I meant Melo has more skill as a scorer. Obviously LeBron has more talent, I worded that poorly. The point I'm trying to say is LeBron scores more and more efficiently, so Melo's skill doesn't help him much here.

[NumberSix]

Not surprising the guy with the George Bush avatar is completely clueless :sleeping
Because you're mad?

[Heavincent]

I've always thought Carmelo's offensive skill set is kind of overrated. People always talk about him as some super skilled scorer that can make any kind of shot. When I watch Melo, I mostly see him taking pull up jumpers and chucking up 3's. Don't get me wrong, he's definitely a gifted scorer, but I hear people put him on the same level as Kobe and Durant as a scorer, and I don't think he really belongs in that conversation.

[NumberSix]

I meant Melo has more skill as a scorer. Obviously LeBron has more talent, I worded that poorly. The point I'm trying to say is LeBron scores more and more efficiently, so Melo's skill doesn't help him much here.
I know exactly what you were talking about. This whole Melo is the best scorer thing is a complete myth. Let this guy get at least 1 single scoring title or something, and then maybe he can be allowed to enter the building that the discussion is in. Until then he's banned.

This niqqa consistently scores LESS than LeBron, and it ain't for lack of trying.

[RRR3]

I've always thought Carmelo's offensive skill set is kind of overrated. People always talk about him as some super skilled scorer that can make any kind of shot. When I watch Melo, I mostly see him taking pull up jumpers and chucking up 3's. Don't get me wrong, he's definitely a gifted scorer, but I hear people put him on the same level as Kobe and Durant as a scorer, and I don't think he really belongs in that conversation.
+1. He's the 4th best scorer in the league, and would be 5th if Wade was still in his prime.

[RRR3]

I know exactly what you were talking about. This whole Melo is the best scorer thing is a complete myth. Let this guy get at least 1 single scoring title or something, and then maybe he can be allowed to enter the building that the discussion is in. Until then he's banned.
IK I already said LBJ was a better scorer, I was just saying Melo is more polished. LeBron doesn't need to be polished anyways.

[longtime lurker]

I never denied Melo has more talent, but LeBron score MORE, which is all I care about. It's like saying Kevin McHale is a better scorer than Shaq because he has prettier post moves. All I care about is the end result, and LeBron scores more.

Well if you think about it it's similar to the Dwight vs Bynum comparison. Who is the better offensive player between the two? Anyone who's watched both of them play will say it's Bynum despite the fact that Bynum has never averaged Dwight's career highs in ppg or probably never had as many 40 point games as Dwight. So you have to take things into context and just not look at stats because you're bias towards a certain player.

[RRR3]

Well if you think about it it's similar to the Dwight vs Bynum comparison. Who is the better offensive player between the two? Anyone who's watched both of them play will say it's Bynum despite the fact that Bynum has never averaged Dwight's career highs in ppg or probably never had as many 40 point games as Dwight. So you have to take things into context and just not look at stats because you're bias towards a certain player.
Dwight is the better offensive player until Bynum proves otherwise. Bynum has never been the first option, though, so I'll wait to make that judgement. LeBron and Melo have both always been first options, so...Again, LeBron is more effective. If you need someone to score, LeBron is more likely to do so, particularly in the playoffs. So how is Melo a better scorer?

[longtime lurker]

Dwight is the better offensive player until Bynum proves otherwise. Bynum has never been the first option, though, so I'll wait to make that judgement. LeBron and Melo have both always been first options, so...Again, LeBron is more effective. If you need someone to score, LeBron is more likely to do so, particularly in the playoffs. So how is Melo a better scorer?

:oldlol: okay I'll just stop this conversation right now. Wow

[NumberSix]

Well if you think about it it's similar to the Dwight vs Bynum comparison. Who is the better offensive player between the two? Anyone who's watched both of them play will say it's Bynum despite the fact that Bynum has never averaged Dwight's career highs in ppg or probably never had as many 40 point games as Dwight. So you have to take things into context and just not look at stats because you're bias towards a certain player.
Bynum is not as good as Dwight offensively. He's has more post moves and better technique, but that's irrelevant. Dwight's physical advantages are greater than Bynum's technical advantages. Dwight's physical dominance gets the job done better than Bynum's superior technique.

It doesn't matter how you get the ball in the hole. All that matters is if it goes in or not. Dwight is better at consistently putting the ball in the hole. It doesn't matter if you like the way he does it.

[RRR3]

:oldlol: okay I'll just stop this conversation right now. Wow
Passing is part of offense, ya know. Bynum can't pass out of double teams for shit. I said I'll wait to see what Bynum can do in a full season as a first option before I definitively call Dwight better. Dwight's a very underrated scorer, but that's another story. I suppose Al Jefferson>Shaq at scoring too in your mind?

[MeLO MvP 15]

Leading scorer and best player on the best team? M-V-P, M-V-P, M-V-P!

My username will be relevant (ignore the # lol) :)

[RRR3]

Leading scorer and best player on the best team? M-V-P, M-V-P, M-V-P!

My username will be relevant (ignore the # lol) :)
If he wins in 2015, your username will ALWAYS be relevant!

[BlackVVaves]

I know exactly what you were talking about. This whole Melo is the best scorer thing is a complete myth. Let this guy get at least 1 single scoring title or something, and then maybe he can be allowed to enter the building that the discussion is in. Until then he's banned.

This niqqa consistently scores LESS than LeBron, and it ain't for lack of trying.

I say this shit all the time. How are you the best scorer with zero scoring titles? Can you be the best rebounder without leading the league in rebounding once?

People get so caught of in the media hype, you can always distinguish who the sheep are. Melo is a versatile scorer, arguably the most versatile in the game. But he's not the best scorer in a league where Durant puts up 25 points on 16 shots with ease.

People need to stop. And LoL @ MVP's being handed out 2 weeks into the season.

[Trentknicks]

I say this shit all the time. How are you the best scorer with zero scoring titles? Can you be the best rebounder without leading the league in rebounding once?

People get so caught of in the media hype, you can always distinguish who the sheep are. Melo is a versatile scorer, arguably the most versatile in the game. But he's not the best scorer in a league where Durant puts up 25 points on 16 shots with ease.

People need to stop. And LoL @ MVP's being handed out 2 weeks into the season.
If the media has been anything to go by over the last 2 years than Melo is slightly ahead of Eddy Curry in the all time rankings and about the same % BF.

[Y2Gezee]

If Melo ever really pushed for it, he could've had scoring titles.

For whatever argument you want to make about who is the best scorer and whatever that entails. I look at it as if I need to get a bucket for any game, for any team, for any moment....I'd pick Melo.

Because whatever you give him, he has an answer that can fully exploit it. Not only does he have the skillset to do it, he is smart enough to use that skill at the right time, and cold blooded enough to make even that bad shot if he's forced into it.

[RRR3]

If Melo ever really pushed for it, he could've had scoring titles.

For whatever argument you want to make about who is the best scorer and whatever that entails. I look at it as if I need to get a bucket for any game, for any team, for any moment....I'd pick Melo.

Because whatever you give him, he has an answer that can fully exploit it. Not only does he have the skillset to do it, he is smart enough to use that skill at the right time, and cold blooded enough to make even that bad shot if he's forced into it.
How come he doesn't score as much as LeBron, Kobe, Wade, Durant, etc. in teh playoffs, then? Or is he not pushing for it in the playoffs either? If so, then that's pretty sad.

[PyrrhusX]

If Melo ever really pushed for it, he could've had scoring titles.


Kinda moot argument here because you could give any first option player a good amount of shots and he could gun for the scoring title.

[NumberSix]

If Melo ever really pushed for it, he could've had scoring titles.
Yeah, this has historically always been Melo's problem. He just won't shoot enough.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Trentknicks]

Yeah, this has historically always been Melo's problem. He just won't shoot enough.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
Your sad life consists of constantly putting effort into hating on a team you don't care about or like.

Plus your probably a republican, I can indeed see why your mad.

[NumberSix]

Your sad life consists of constantly putting effort into hating on a team you don't care about or like.

Plus your probably a republican, I can indeed see why your mad.
http://fupaper.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/stephen-colbert-438x2752.jpeg

[Y2Gezee]

Yeah, this has historically always been Melo's problem. He just won't shoot enough.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

The point is he's not going for the scoring title. He's doing enough to help his team.

Case in point should be the 2008-9 season. He was still by in large the best scorer on that team without a guy that you'd consider a 2nd option for a contender. He scored 22 pts for the West's 2nd seed. That postseason though, he was one of the top scorers in the playoffs.

THIS is the first year Melo's had a great compliment of talent around him that will actually enhance his game. I said it before this season, I've explained it a million times over. And this year he's going to beast. Watch it.

Hell during the Olympic training camp Durant called Melo the best offensive player. He's said it before years ago. There's countless other people professional opinions from other players that have said the same. It should be obvious on camera to you too. Stats be damned

[RRR3]

Kevin Durant and (especially) LeBron are much less selfish than Melo, yet they've both won scoring titles, led the playoffs in PPG, and averaged over 30 PPG in a season, all things Melo has not and probably never will do. Melo can't even outscore guys who don't even try to score as much as him, how the **** is he the best scorer?

[Y2Gezee]

Why is Carmelo selfish? That's bullshit

[knickswin]

Why is Carmelo selfish? That's bullshit

I don't think he's selfish. I think sometimes he lacks poise/wherewithal and doesn't recognize that he needs to pass. He also seems to get too amped at times, hence those "adrenaline threes" that are wastes of possessions.

[RRR3]

Why is Carmelo selfish? That's bullshit
http://img.hsmagazine.net/2012/06/waitwhat.jpg

[Y2Gezee]

You don't know basketball

[Rubio2Gasol]

Durant will almost always have a better scoring output but the thing about Durant is if you start getting physical with him he gets prevented from impacting the game.

Lebron sometimes gives up and settles for jumpers or passes when it's clear he can impact the game with his scoring and in and around the paint more.

Melo is easily the most versatile scorer in the league , understands exactly how to impact games with his scoring.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

I've always thought Carmelo's offensive skill set is kind of overrated. People always talk about him as some super skilled scorer that can make any kind of shot. When I watch Melo, I mostly see him taking pull up jumpers and chucking up 3's. Don't get me wrong, he's definitely a gifted scorer, but I hear people put him on the same level as Kobe and Durant as a scorer, and I don't think he really belongs in that conversation.

Then you havent watched too many Melo games.

Like any logical person you accomplish a task in the least complicated/strenuous manner that is effective; when that stops working you switch it up, and that continues as the defense adjusts.

That is why Melo generally starts with his mid range game (easiest) and then works into a post up bully ball style as the game progresses

[secund2nun]

Melo is so overrated right now. The guy is averaging 27.3 ppg on a mediocre 44% fg on 21 spg.....also he has only 1.5 apg. He is shooting 34.8% from downtown. His D as usual is not good.

He is playing better than usual right now, yes, but not that much better.

It's the NY overrated hype machine going full force again.

[ClutchOver9000]

Melo is so overrated right now. The guy is averaging 27.3 ppg on a mediocre 44% fg and 21 spg.....also he has only 1.5 apg. He is shooting 34.8% from downtown. His D as usual is not good.

He is playing better than usual right now, yes, but not that much better.

It's the NY overrated hype machine going full force again.

you havent watched Melo play at all this year

[KyrieTheFuture]

Marshmelo will never be the best guys im sorry

[Legends66NBA7]

Melo is so overrated right now. The guy is averaging 27.3 ppg on a mediocre 44% fg and 21 spg.....also he has only 1.5 apg. He is shooting 34.8% from downtown. His D as usual is not good.

He is playing better than usual right now, yes, but not that much better.

It's the NY overrated hype machine going full force again.

To be fair, he doesn't have to do that much facilitating with Kidd and Felton on the floor.

Though, yes, I would like him cut down on wasting some possessions, like jacking random 3's and going into too much ISO's.

His shooting % should get higher as the year goes by and he might just win his first scoring title.

[secund2nun]

LOL at the fans who say Carmelo is a better scorer than Lebron.

Lebron is much better at scoring. Some people have terrible logic.

I saw a few Knicks fans say Carmelo is a better scorer than Lebron because he scores in more ways. Who cares. I don't care if you score with all dunks or a diverse array of moves.

RESULTS matter. And the results show that Lebron is a much better scorer than Melo. He can put up the same scoring volume Melo can but with much better efficiency.

Are you gonna say that Melo is a better scorer than Shaq because all Shaq did was overpower and slam?? Nice logic. Obviously Shaq was a much better scorer.

This is a game of results, not style points. Scoring in a more diverse package of ways means nothing. This isn't gymnastics.

[secund2nun]

you havent watched Melo play at all this year

He may have improved it a bit, but he is still far from a good defender. With a 44% fg and 1.5 apg and 7.3 rpg, you better be elite in defense to even be in serious consideration for the MVP.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

LOL at the fans who say Carmelo is a better scorer than Lebron.

Lebron is much better at scoring. Some people have terrible logic.

I saw a few Knicks fans say Carmelo is a better scorer than Lebron because he scores in more ways. Who cares. I don't care if you score with all dunks or a diverse array of moves.

RESULTS matter. And the results show that Lebron is a much better scorer than Melo. He can put up the same scoring volume Melo can but with much better efficiency.

Are you gonna say that Melo is a better scorer than Shaq because all Shaq did was overpower and slam?? Nice logic. Obviously Shaq was a much better scorer.

This is a game of results, not style points. Scoring in a more diverse package of ways means nothing. This isn't gymnastics.


Has nothing to do with being dominant in one aspect.

When someone is the best scorer its because he can score in every possible way at an elite or near elite level.

LeBrons elite athleticism but average jump shot and post game doesnt make him the most talented scorer. His athleticism may make him dominant but he can ONLY DOMINATE IN ONE WAY.

How may last second shots has LeBron taken as drives to the hoop? He did that because thats his biggest strength! He had few other choices!

If you can score in every possible way you have more options at your disposal therefore making you a more dangerous threat not only at the end of games, but to just but the ball in the basket in general.

[lilgodfather1]

Has nothing to do with being dominant in one aspect.

When someone is the best scorer its because he can score in every possible way at an elite or near elite level.

LeBrons elite athleticism but average jump shot and post game doesnt make him the most talented scorer. His athleticism may make him dominant but he can ONLY DOMINATE IN ONE WAY.

How may last second shots has LeBron taken as drives to the hoop? He did that because thats his biggest strength! He had few other choices!

If you can score in every possible way you have more options at your disposal therefore making you a more dangerous threat not only at the end of games, but to just but the ball in the basket in general.
That is one of the dumbest sentences possible. It doesn't matter how the ball goes through the net, it just matters that the ball made it through the net. I would rather be elite in one area than average in three.

[knickswin]

I have to say, lebron's post game has looked pretty fantastic at times. it's simple, but effective.

[NewYorkNoPicks]

That is one of the dumbest sentences possible. It doesn't matter how the ball goes through the net, it just matters that the ball made it through the net. I would rather be elite in one area than average in three.

LeBron is average in his post game and jump shot. I cant wait until this guy undergoes microfracture and is half the player he is now because of his lack of a scientfic approach to the game.

LeBron without athleticism isnt close to Kobe.

And yes....having more weapons does make you more dangerous, especially when those weapons are of the highest level

[secund2nun]

LeBron is average in his post game and jump shot. I cant wait until this guy undergoes microfracture and is half the player he is now because of his lack of a scientfic approach to the game.

LeBron without athleticism isnt close to Kobe.

And yes....having more weapons does make you more dangerous, especially when those weapons are of the highest level

Face it, Lebron is easily a better scorer than Melo.

Lebron is well above Kobe and yes his post game is very good and it is still expanding rapidly. The guy is elite and the best bball player in the NBA and one of the best of all time. He is also one of the best all around players ever so to pretend he is a one trick pony is funn.

Lebron rarely gets injured so I doubt he will get a micro-fracture. As he ages his post game will expand and his strength will remain if not increase (old man strength). Also Lebron's bball IQ will only increase over time,and his rebounding and passing will remain as well.

[NumberSix]

LeBron is batter than Melo at putting the ball through the hoop.

Putting the ball through the hoop = scoring.

LeBron is therefore.......... better at scoring. :hammerhead: :hammerhead: :hammerhead:

[RRR3]

MORE ether for the Melo stans, since they just can't seem to grasp how overrated their boy is as a scorer.


Since 2003-04 (when Melo entered the league), here's how the best scorers in the NBA stack up. Keep in mind some guys haven't played every year since 2003-04, but still are on this list.


Most Top 10 Finishes in Qualifying PPG since 2003-04
1. Kobe Bryant, 9
2. Tie-LeBron James and Dirk Nowitzki, 8
4. Carmelo Anthony, 7
5. Dwyane Wade, 5
6. Tie-Kevin Durant, Amar'e Stoudemire, Michael Redd and Allen Iverson
10. Tie-Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter, Chris Bosh, Gilbert Arenas and Ray Allen


Most Top 5 Finishes in Qualifying PPG since 2003-04
1. Kobe Bryant, 9
2. LeBron James, 8
3. Tie-Dwyane Wade and Carmelo Anthony, 4
5. Tie-Kevin Durant and Allen Iverson, 3
7. Tie-Dirk Nowitzki, Gilbert Arenas and Amar'e Stoudemire


Most Top 3 Finishes in Qualifying PPG since 2003-04
1. LeBron James, 7
2. Kobe Bryant, 6
3. Tie-Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant and Allen Iverson, 3
6. Tie-Dwyane Wade, Tracy McGrady, Kevin Garnett, and Gilbert Arenas, 1


Most Top 2 Finishes in Qualifying PPG since 2003-04
1. Kobe Bryant, 5
2. LeBron James, 4
3. Kevin Durant, 3
4. Allen Iverson, 2
5. Tie-Tracy McGrady, Dwyane Wade, and Carmelo Anthony


Most NBA Leaders in Qualifying PPG since 2003-04
1. Kevin Durant, 3
2. Kobe Bryant, 2
3. Tie-LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Tracy McGrady and Allen Iverson, 1
Melo ABSENT!


Most 25+ PPG seasons since 2003-04 (minimum half of team's games played)
1. Tie-LeBron James and Kobe Bryant, 8
3. Tie-Allen Iverson, Dwyane Wade and Carmelo Anthony, 5
6. Tie-Kevin Durant and Dirk Nowitzki,4
8. Tie-Amare Stoudemire and Gilbert Arenas, 3
10. Tie-Tracy McGrady, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, and Michael Redd


Most 30+ PPG seasons since 2003-04 (minimum half of team's games played)
1. Tie-Kobe Bryant, LeBron James and Allen Iverson, 2
4. Tie-Dwyane Wade and Kevin Durant, 1
Melo missing again!

Most games of 40+ points since 2003-04
1. Kobe Bryant, 86
2. LeBron James, 48
3. Tie-Dwyane Wade and Allen Iverson, 32
5. Gilbert Arenas, 28
6. Tracy McGrady, 23
7. Tie-Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant and Vince Carter, 21
10. Amar'e Stoudemire, 18


Most games of 50+ points since 2003-04
1. Kobe Bryant, 19
2. LeBron James, 9
3. Allen Iverson, 6
4. Tie-Dwyane Wade and Gilbert Arenas, 3
5. Tie-Tracy McGrady, Dirk Nowitzki, Carmelo Anthony, and Michael Redd


Most 60+ points since 2003-04
1. Kobe Bryant, 5
2. Tie-Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson and Gilbert Arenas, 1










"b-b-b-b-but Melo is the best scorer!" :cry:

Don't even make me do the playoffs scoring, where Melo will fare worse :lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

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Kobe and Bronzy FTW. :applause:

[RRR3]

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Kobe and Bronzy FTW. :applause:
Dat consistency. :pimp:

[NewYorkNoPicks]

MORE ether for the Melo stans, since they just can't seem to grasp how overrated their boy is as a scorer.


Since 2003-04 (when Melo entered the league), here's how the best scorers in the NBA stack up. Keep in mind some guys haven't played every year since 2003-04, but still are on this list.


Most Top 10 Finishes in Qualifying PPG since 2003-04
1. Kobe Bryant, 9
2. Tie-LeBron James and Dirk Nowitzki, 8T
4. Carmelo Anthony, 7
5. Dwyane Wade, 5
6. Tie-Kevin Durant, Amar'e Stoudemire, Michael Redd and Allen Iverson
10. Tie-Tracy McGrady, Vince Carter, Chris Bosh, Gilbert Arenas and Ray Allen


Most Top 5 Finishes in Qualifying PPG since 2003-04
1. Kobe Bryant, 9
2. LeBron James, 8
3. Tie-Dwyane Wade and Carmelo Anthony, 4
5. Tie-Kevin Durant and Allen Iverson, 3
7. Tie-Dirk Nowitzki, Gilbert Arenas and Amar'e Stoudemire


Most Top 3 Finishes in Qualifying PPG since 2003-04
1. LeBron James, 7
2. Kobe Bryant, 6
3. Tie-Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant and Allen Iverson, 3
6. Tie-Dwyane Wade, Tracy McGrady, Kevin Garnett, and Gilbert Arenas, 1


Most Top 2 Finishes in Qualifying PPG since 2003-04
1. Kobe Bryant, 5
2. LeBron James, 4
3. Kevin Durant, 3
4. Allen Iverson, 2
5. Tie-Tracy McGrady, Dwyane Wade, and Carmelo Anthony


Most NBA Leaders in Qualifying PPG since 2003-04
1. Kevin Durant, 3
2. Kobe Bryant, 2
3. Tie-LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Tracy McGrady and Allen Iverson, 1
Melo ABSENT!


Most 25+ PPG seasons since 2003-04 (minimum half of team's games played)
1. Tie-LeBron James and Kobe Bryant, 8
3. Tie-Allen Iverson, Dwyane Wade and Carmelo Anthony, 5
6. Tie-Kevin Durant and Dirk Nowitzki,4
8. Tie-Amare Stoudemire and Gilbert Arenas, 3
10. Tie-Tracy McGrady, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen, and Michael Redd


Most 30+ PPG seasons since 2003-04 (minimum half of team's games played)
1. Tie-Kobe Bryant, LeBron James and Allen Iverson, 2
4. Tie-Dwyane Wade and Kevin Durant, 1
Melo missing again!

Most games of 40+ points since 2003-04
1. Kobe Bryant, 86
2. LeBron James, 48
3. Tie-Dwyane Wade and Allen Iverson, 32
5. Gilbert Arenas, 28
6. Tracy McGrady, 23
7. Tie-Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Durant and Vince Carter, 21
10. Amar'e Stoudemire, 18


Most games of 50+ points since 2003-04
1. Kobe Bryant, 19
2. LeBron James, 9
3. Allen Iverson, 6
4. Tie-Dwyane Wade and Gilbert Arenas, 3
5. Tie-Tracy McGrady, Dirk Nowitzki, Carmelo Anthony, and Michael Redd


Most 60+ points since 2003-04
1. Kobe Bryant, 5
2. Tie-Tracy McGrady, Allen Iverson and Gilbert Arenas, 1










"b-b-b-b-but Melo is the best scorer!" :cry:

Don't even make me do the playoffs scoring, where Melo will fare worse :lol


What does 1 or 2 more ppg have to do with definitively annointing one player a better scorer than another?

Having 1 more 50 point game? Things like this are trivial and mean nothing. David Robinson had a 71 point game once, is he a better scorer than Hakeem who rarely if ever scored 50? Cmon brah...

[RRR3]

Look, brah, I'm presenting you with facts, and all you are coming back with is "Melo is still better!!!!!!!". I don't know how much more obvious I have to make it that Melo is not a better scorer than Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant or LeBron James, and has been behind other players depending on the year as well. He's also not a better scorer than prime Allen Iverson or prime Tracy McGrady, for that matter.

[Legends66NBA7]

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Kobe and Bronzy FTW. :applause:

I've always wondered what Kobe's 30, 40, or 50+ point games would have been like if he got be the first option from the start, instead of riding the bench/being the second option to Shaq in his first 8 years.

What do you think Kuniva ? Better averages all-around, maybe drop off on efficiency ? He might have already gotten to 30+ 50 point games.

[RRR3]

I've always wondered what Kobe's 30, 40, or 50+ point games would have been like if he got be the first option from the start, instead of riding the bench/being the second option to Shaq in his first 8 years.

What do you think Kuniva ? Better averages all-around, maybe drop off on efficiency ? He might have already gotten to 30+ 50 point games.
It's possible but I think you have to remember that Kobe is one of the few players ever to attempt 40+ FG's in a game and he's done it a bajilion times. Just worth remembering. I always am surprised T-Mac didn't have more 50+ games, but he only had one year where he really scored at a legendary level, whereas Kobe has had like 3. Kobe does seem to have more peaks and valleys than anyone else though.

[Legends66NBA7]

It's possible but I think you have to remember that Kobe is one of the few players ever to attempt 40+ FG's in a game and he's done it a bajilion times. Just worth remembering. I always am surprised T-Mac didn't have more 50+ games, but he only had one year where he really scored at a legendary level, whereas Kobe has had like 3. Kobe does seem to have more peaks and valleys than anyone else though.

Yeah, I know his production and legacy would be completely different.

I always thought it was amazing that he started racking up a lot of individual awards when he was deep in his career (similar to Malone in a way), so him being the first option from the start and his strong work ethic would be an interesting mix.

And the peaks and valleys you touched upon... Scenarios like 03-04 for example, perhaps don't happen either.

[Rubio2Gasol]

You're presenting stats not facts.

People have given legit reasons, he has the most diverse scoring Arsenal. Same reason you'd take Dirk is a better scorer than half the fools who outscore him every year.

[Dave3]

What does 1 or 2 more ppg have to do with definitively annointing one player a better scorer than another?

It's actually 3 ppg for their entire career. That's not a difference of one or two 50 point games....that's a difference of 3000+ points over their equal tenures in the league, and accounting for LeBron's extra 40 games in the regular season, that's still a 2000 point difference for an equal amount of games played by each. 2000 points...that's a full season's worth of scoring that LeBron has over Melo in an equal amount of games. All of a sudden seems like quite a bit huh?




Having 1 more 50 point game? Things like this are trivial and mean nothing. Like I said earlier, it's not 1 more 50 point game...it's one more season of 25 ppg. A full season of 25 ppg is the difference between their scoring in an equal amount of games.


David Robinson had a 71 point game once, is he a better scorer than Hakeem who rarely if ever scored 50? Cmon brah...

This isn't a case of LeBron has a higher career high in points than Melo (though he does), it's a case of higher career ppg, higher career points (by 3000 points), more scoring titles, and even better efficiency while doing it. You can't really argue against something that compelling and expect to make a good point.

3000 more career points, better FG%, eFG% and TS% (take your pick of which one you like) and higher playoff scoring average.

[RRR3]

Yeah, I know his production and legacy would be completely different.

I always thought it was amazing that he started racking up a lot of individual awards when he was deep in his career (similar to Malone in a way), so him being the first option from the start and his strong work ethic would be an interesting mix.

And the peaks and valleys you touched upon... Scenarios like 03-04 for example, perhaps don't happen either.
Btw he wouldnt have been good enough yet to score that much when he was a bench player and Shaq didn't really affect Kobes PPG the way some act like, which outside of 2005-06 and (to a lesser extent) 06-07 has stayed around the same area more or less.

[Dave3]

You're presenting stats not facts.

People have given legit reasons, he has the most diverse scoring Arsenal. Same reason you'd take Dirk is a better scorer than half the fools who outscore him every year.
Dirk also doesn't shoot that much, but has shown he can when needed in the playoffs.

Melo takes as many shots as anyone else and they still score more. He's also not shown the same ability as Dirk to basically score on demand throughout entire playoff series.

[RRR3]

You're presenting stats not facts.

People have given legit reasons, he has the most diverse scoring Arsenal. Same reason you'd take Dirk is a better scorer than half the fools who outscore him every year.
Dirk steps up his scoring in the playoffs, as does LeBron. Melo has had multiple playoffs where he's been complete shit. No one cares if Melo is more versatile than Lebron when Lebron scores more and more efficiently every damn year and every damn playoffs. And Melo looks to score WAAAYYYYYY more than LBJ yet still can't outscore him. Seriously this isn't an argument just stop overrating Melo.

[RRR3]

Dirk also doesn't shoot that much, but has shown he can when needed in the playoffs.

Melo takes as many shots as anyone else and they still score more. He's also not shown the same ability as Dirk to basically score on demand throughout entire playoff series.
Exactly. I should have added playoffs to show Dirks best.

[Legends66NBA7]

Btw he wouldnt have been good enough yet to score that much when he was a bench player and Shaq didn't really affect Kobes PPG the way some act like, which outside of 2005-06 and (to a lesser extent) 06-07 has stayed around the same area more or less.

Yeah, he wouldn't be elite right away, but around 1999-2000 or 2000-2001... He should have been scoring much more. No reason he shouldn't, unless he does have more scoring options on another hypothetical team.

I don't believe Shaq got in his way either. Post 2000, I thought Kobe actually scored pretty damn close to Shaq (ignoring efficiency off course; not like you can be more efficient that Shaq from the field anyways).

[NumberSix]

You're presenting stats not facts.

People have given legit reasons, he has the most diverse scoring Arsenal. Same reason you'd take Dirk is a better scorer than half the fools who outscore him every year.
Shut up you clown. It's over. You have nothing and you know it. Keep :cry:

[Rubio2Gasol]

Shut up you clown. It's over. You have nothing and you know it. Keep :cry:

Lol.

Anyway, Dirk scores 26 points on 47 % on the playoffs.. Not particularly special for a big man. He takes less shots because he gets to the line more.But yet, he is easily a better scorer than any power forward I've seen.

The diverse offensive arsenal has it's merits, whether you choose to place emphasis on it or not isn't really my concern.

[RRR3]

Lol.

Anyway, Dirk scores 26 points on 47 % on the playoffs.. Not particularly special for a big man. He takes less shots because he gets to the line more.But yet, he is easily a better scorer than any power forward I've seen.

The diverse offensive arsenal has it's merits, whether you choose to place emphasis on it or not isn't really my concern.
For Dirk sure. It doesn't help Melo considering he tosses up countless bricks in the playoffs while LeBron Kobe and Durant dominate.

[Nash]

Melo has always been a great scorer.

[NumberSix]

Knicks fans would do well to just be realistic. It's never enough to just be happy with what that have and just complement their team and players proportionately. They always have to go the extra step and make outlandish claims of being the best or better than players or teams that are clearly better.