Larry Bird Post Moves (13:18 Minutes)

[Round Mound]

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/history/allstar/all-star-weekend-3-point-shootout/0721-larry-bird-608.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBnwSeMiVaU&feature=g-u-u

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[cuad]

All y'all acting like Larry wouldn't dominate in this era, just look at those shots. Larry's defenders easily force him into tough shots, but he makes them anyway. He just makes them.

[Round Mound]

All y'all acting like Larry wouldn't dominate in this era, just look at those shots. Larry's defenders easily force him into tough shots, but he makes them anyway. He just makes them.

:applause: :rockon: :cheers:

[FatComputerNerd]

He would be at worst a top 3-5 player no matter what era he played in

[WillC]

All y'all...

That's the most grammatically ridiculous thing I have ever read.

[KungFuJoe]

Larry Bird :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[SHAQisGOAT]

Dude's got every trick in the bag, the fadeaway, the turnaround, various fakes, the hook, the floater, the scooper, the up and under, the spin, the drive, the drop step, the shimmy and double pivot, the touch around the basket, the using of both hands...
:bowdown:
Better post game than any player right now, big man included


All y'all acting like Larry wouldn't dominate in this era, just look at those shots. Larry's defenders easily force him into tough shots, but he makes them anyway. He just makes them.

Bird would flat out dominate and destroy in any era

[Round Mound]

Dude's got every trick in the bag, the fadeaway, the turnaround, various fakes, the hook, the floater, the scooper, the up and under, the spin, the drive, the drop step, the shimmy and double pivot, the touch around the basket, the using of both hands...:bowdown:

Better post game than any player right now, big man included

Bird would flat out dominate and destroy in any era

Bird`s 2nd Most Underrated Aspect is his Post Game after Defense (Great Team and Post Defender). Bird Had All The Moves in the Book, Infact He Was a Creator of Many of the Modern Moves In Today`s Game :applause: :bowdown:

[inclinerator]

unbelievable

[Micku]

Bird said that he would play PF more in this era. He would abuse the post because it got less physical.

But yeah, superstars like Bird would be epic in any era. He might've been a bit better in this era in terms longevity because of the advance training and health system. It would be fun watching him play in this era. It would be a better version of Dirk. Bird is probably the best all around player in the 80s, and one of the best all around players in NBA history.

There are a lot of players that I would like to see play in this era. Like Mchale. I would love to see Mchale vs Gasol and Howard.

[Clippersfan86]

Dirk who!? :bowdown:

[Round Mound]

If Bird had Above Average Athleticism...He Would Have Been The Best Player Ever By a Large Margin...Cause He Could Do It All at a Good & Great Level With Average Athleticism

[Rolando]

...... He just makes them.

This:bowdown:

[chosen_one6]

God damn...those moves are silky smooth. And that shot is so wet!

[pauk]

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[Round Mound]

Sadly Birdoverrated is Gone from the Forum...I Wish He Would Have Seen This Video and Others.

Skills > Athletic Ability

[KungFuJoe]

Bird has the most swagger of anyone in NBA history. Kobe dreams about having Bird's swagger.

[Miller for 3]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

GOAT shooter, GOAT passer, GOAT hustle player, GOAT post moves, GOAT GM, GOAT head coach

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[Smoke117]

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[9erempiree]

All y'all acting like Larry wouldn't dominate in this era, just look at those shots. Larry's defenders easily force him into tough shots, but he makes them anyway. He just makes them.

I don't think Larry would even get in position to post up against the stronger defenders.

Larry wasn't very strong.

[Pushxx]

I don't think Larry would even get in position to post up against the stronger defenders.

Larry wasn't very strong.

:biggums:

Where'd you get that?

[Micku]

I don't think Larry would even get in position to post up against the stronger defenders.

Larry wasn't very strong.

He might be underrated in his strength. He battle Moses Malone for rebounds. Got into position against the likes of James Worthy, Cooper, Wilkins, Pippen, Rodman, Dr. J and Horace Grant.

[swi7ch]

Love LBJ but Larry Legend is the GOAT SF.

[Round Mound]

I don't think Larry would even get in position to post up against the stronger defenders.

Larry wasn't very strong.

:roll: :facepalm :rolleyes: Bird was Stronger than Rodman in the Post Dummy.

Bird had Great Floor and Leg Strength...He Posted Up On Bigger Guys 240 lbs plus and 6'11 plus. Seen It

[TheBigVeto]

:biggums:

Where'd you get that?

He got it from being a retarded Laker fan.
Let's move on.

[Carbine]

That video is basketball porn.

[jongib369]

:bowdown:

[KG215]

Not much a prime/peak Bird couldn't do on a basketball court. Could watch this all day.


He would be at worst a top 3-5 player no matter what era he played in
As great as LeBron is right now, if you put peak Bird in today's NBA he'd be the best player in the league. It'd be debatable, but I'd take Bird.

But yes, there's really not any era he would be worse than top 3 in the league if he was in his prime and/or at his peak. In the 60s, only two players who would have an argument as being better are Russell and Kareem; the 70s would only be Kareem; in the 80s, with another top 3-5 player all-time in his prime, Bird still had seasons where he was the best player in the NBA; the 90s, only Jordan and maybe '92-'95 Hakeem; and the 2000s, only 2000-2002 Shaq.

I guess it's highly subjective and depends on which versions of Bird you're using, but his peak was insanely good.

[LeBird]

There are few players that teach you how to play basketball by just watching them play.

[9erempiree]

lol @ this video.

It shows man on man coverage and he received the ball so easily.

Too much ball pressure in today's league for those kind of moves. Bird would be pushed around in his small frame.

[9erempiree]

similar skillset and athletic ability...we know how well he worked out in the L.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRx0oUX-fns

[KG215]

similar skillset and athletic ability...we know how well he worked out in the L.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRx0oUX-fns
Serious question, whose alt is this?

[RRR3]

Serious question, whose alt is this?
No one's. The Logo/9erempire has been a troll for awhile. I give him credit for being able to string together semi-coherent sentences despite having Kobe's ***** so far up his mouth it's puncturing a hole in his brain.

[colts19]

It's really sad how the young basketball fans of today will never understand how great bird was at posting up, making the stand still pass and making the timely defensive play. All the young people today only understand the athletic plays and can't understand the beauty of the fundamental basketball play.

[andgar923]

:facepalm Kobe fans….

Back to the thread.

Most of those moves look extremely basic and simple.

But how come very few have done them? :confusedshrug:

That's an honest question.

Not too many people were able to do these apparently simple and basic moves. He was just smarter and more importantly had 'patience' something I always criticize Bron for not having.

There's many situations in which if Bird was any other player, he could've easily just thrown up a wild or a forced contested turnaround. But instead his patience allowed him to find a crease and get a better shot.

Bron tends to dribble away from the post in many similar situations, like :biggums: why'd he do that for?

I think many players have the balance and footwork that Hakeem, Bird, McHale and others had, but they lacked the discipline and patience to get a better shot.

For clarification when I state "patience" I don't mean they hold the ball forever and make a decision. By "patience" I mean they don't settle as quickly and just give in to the defense. Their decision making and patience is usually at the speed of thought.

[SHAQisGOAT]

lol @ this video.

It shows man on man coverage and he received the ball so easily.

Too much ball pressure in today's league for those kind of moves. Bird would be pushed around in his small frame.

:facepalm

You're funny dude, sadly funny

Must not seen the same vid I saw, the man is getting roughed up in most possessions, guarded by dudes like Pippen, Rodman, Grant, Salley, Mahorn, Chambers, Kersey and you talk about today's soft league? lmao

Almost 6'10, 220 lbs when he entered the league, is a small frame? You got dudes like Battier playing PF nowadays :rolleyes:

And he wasn't strong? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUmz44FurLc&feature=relmfu
Takes Moses, Barkley and more to put him down and even so it was hard.

GTFO

[SHAQisGOAT]

similar skillset and athletic ability...we know how well he worked out in the L.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRx0oUX-fns

LMAO, great joke.


Dirk Nowitzki, Kevin Love... relatively similar skillset, similar athletic ability, still miles away as overall players... we know how well they worked out in the league.

[SHAQisGOAT]

[QUOTE=andgar923]:facepalm Kobe fans

[andgar923]

I don't think that making high post stepback contested fadeaways, faking the pivot to turnaround jumpers, making left and right handed hooks and floaters, scooping around two opponents, making fast up and unders, or quick spins, are simple at all.

I agree with the rest of your post though.

Of course those aren't simple, I just mentioned that they 'appear' because that's the illusion that some of today's fans believe.

But I was also referring to the scoop shots and regular layups he took by squeezing his way under, and around defenders. Awkward layups that 'appear' to be simple, but actually require court awareness, timing, dexterity, balance and strength (for some). Honestly, some of those shots were simple, but he made them simple. He positioned himself and made the proper decisions to get those simple shots.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Of course those aren't simple, I just mentioned that they 'appear' because that's the illusion that some of today's fans believe.

But I was also referring to the scoop shots and regular layups he took by squeezing his way under, and around defenders. Awkward layups that 'appear' to be simple, but actually require court awareness, timing, dexterity, balance and strength (for some). Honestly, some of those shots were simple, but he made them simple. He positioned himself and made the proper decisions to get those simple shots.

Agreed

[Champ]

Of course those aren't simple, I just mentioned that they 'appear' because that's the illusion that some of today's fans believe.

But I was also referring to the scoop shots and regular layups he took by squeezing his way under, and around defenders. Awkward layups that 'appear' to be simple, but actually require court awareness, timing, dexterity, balance and strength (for some). Honestly, some of those shots were simple, but he made them simple. He positioned himself and made the proper decisions to get those simple shots.

Bird's first pro coach, Bill Fitch, nicknamed him "Kodak" because he could seemingly form mental pictures of the game in his head before they actually happened. (Those of you who remember Polaroids will have an easier time understanding the analogy).

Point being is that part of what truly separates the great ones from the rest is their ability to anticipate player movement and spacing a second or two in advance of when it happens. For anyone who's played the game enough, you know the feeling of making or receiving that great pass, or taking the well-timed shot after you've had the patience to wait for the optimal moment to make that play. Often, it results in what looks to be an easy scoring opportunity. As a player, it happens to me every so often. For the greats like Bird and Magic, it happened on a regular basis.

This is why you'll often see these players seemingly make something out of nothing, squeezing through the smallest of holes or threading the needle in a way that often surprises their opponent.

[9erempiree]

:facepalm

You're funny dude, sadly funny

Must not seen the same vid I saw, the man is getting roughed up in most possessions, guarded by dudes like Pippen, Rodman, Grant, Salley, Mahorn, Chambers, Kersey and you talk about today's soft league? lmao

Almost 6'10, 220 lbs when he entered the league, is a small frame? You got dudes like Battier playing PF nowadays :rolleyes:

And he wasn't strong? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUmz44FurLc&feature=relmfu
Takes Moses, Barkley and more to put him down and even so it was hard.

GTFO

lol @ the exaggerations.

He was 6' 9'' and 210 llbs was his playing weight.

The reason why Bird's moves were so basic because it was just that. Bad defense but he was a good shooter so I expect him to make it.

Don't let rough play make you think it's good defense because it's not.

[La Frescobaldi]

lol @ the exaggerations.

He was 6' 9'' and 210 llbs was his playing weight.

The reason why Bird's moves were so basic because it was just that. Bad defense but he was a good shooter so I expect him to make it.

Don't let rough play make you think it's good defense because it's not.

all I can say is LOL.

You need to watch a lot more basketball.

[Rojogaqu11]

Larry Bird with athleticism would make Lebron an afterthought.

[selrahc]

Larry Bird was great in the post, yes. But I think that Kobe has proven to be the best post player of all time.

[SHAQisGOAT]

lol @ the exaggerations.

He was 6' 9'' and 210 llbs was his playing weight.

The reason why Bird's moves were so basic because it was just that. Bad defense but he was a good shooter so I expect him to make it.

Don't let rough play make you think it's good defense because it's not.

No he was measured at 6'9'' without shoes, and 220 lbs when he first entered the league.

If Rodman, Salley, Pippen, Jordan, Bobby Jones, Cooper, Grant, Pressey, McCray, Roundfield, Nance, Erving... Are bad defenders, I don't know what's good.

But whatever I'll stop feeding the troll.

[TheBigVeto]

Larry Bird was great in the post, yes. But I think that Kobe has proven to be the best post player of all time.


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[Round Mound]

Kobe Greatest Post Player Ever? :roll: :facepalm :rolleyes: :no:

Has He Even Gotten Close to 50% FG for a Season? :confusedshrug:

There Have Been Plenty Of Players With Better Post Game than Bryants and One of Them Is Larry Bird.

[andgar923]

Larry Bird was great in the post, yes. But I think that Kobe has proven to be the best post player of all time.
:roll: :roll: :lol :lol

[KungFuJoe]

WTF are you smoking? Kobe IS the best post player ever....

...compared to Lebron.

[Round Mound]

WTF are you smoking? Kobe IS the best post player ever....

...compared to Lebron.

Lebron has Gotten Much Better At This BTW. Last Year He Prooved It but He Is Still Not in the Level of Bird, Dantley, King, Magic, Barkley, McHale, Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, Jordan and Many Others

[SHAQisGOAT]

Lebron has Gotten Much Better At This BTW. Last Year He Prooved It but He Is Still Not in the Level of Bird, Dantley, King, Magic, Barkley, McHale, Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, Jordan and Many Others


Dantley is probably the best SF after Bird in the post ever, only reason I put Bird above is because of passing from there though, because Bird had all the versatility (also effective though) but Dantley was so effective it was crazy, beast down there, could get a shot off surrounded from everywhere.

Then you got dudes like King, Aguirre and so on.

[La Frescobaldi]

Dantley is probably the best SF after Bird in the post ever, only reason I put Bird above is because of passing from there though, because Bird had all the versatility (also effective though) but Dantley was so effective it was crazy, beast down there, could get a shot off surrounded from everywhere.

Then you got dudes like King, Aguirre and so on.

Rick Barry, Havlicek, Worthy, Dr. J, Dominique, Scottie Pippen, LeBron James all have an argument for being ahead of Dantley. Not knocking AD either, that is some rare company right there.

Sir Charles gets called a power forward but he was so bizarre you could throw him in that as well.
I just don't think it's so clean cut as just sayin AD is the best after Bird.

[Round Mound]

Listen People...Bird Was Better than Dantley as a Player Clearly because he Could Create, Pass, Rebound and Defend...He Had a Better All Around Game but Dantley Was The Master in the Post Among SFs in The History of the NBA: He was a Much Better Post Player and Scorer than Bird. Had Dantley Played in Great Teams in the 80s In HIS PRIME (20s-about 30) he Might Have Gotten a Ring. It Took the Idiots in the HOF to Finally Locate him In There After Years. What a Waste.

Lebron has Imrprooved his Post Game But He Aint in the Level of Them, Yet. Bryant is Closer in Those Terms.

Regarding Barkley...he Played SF from 1989-1991. The Rest of his Career He Played PF. Barkley Was The Most Difficult Forward To Guard in NBA History. His 2-Point FG is Only Rivaled as a Focal Scorer by Shaq. :bowdown:

[SHAQisGOAT]

Rick Barry, Havlicek, Worthy, Dr. J, Dominique, Scottie Pippen, LeBron James all have an argument for being ahead of Dantley. Not knocking AD either, that is some rare company right there.

Sir Charles gets called a power forward but he was so bizarre you could throw him in that as well.
I just don't think it's so clean cut as just sayin AD is the best after Bird.

As players they're all ahead of Dantley.

As far as scorinng the post? No they don't, not even close. Ever watch the man play at least? He was a complete beast in the post, draw fouls easily, could get his shot off in a forest, numerous post moves and so on. Plus his numbers also speak for themselfs.

Know who's 3rd on the highest FG% while scoring 30 or more points in a season? Dantley with 30.3 PPG, .570 FG%. He's also 5th and 6th on the list, other guys on the list are Kareem, Karl, McAdoo, Wilt and Jordan.

Great post scoring SF's like King, Worthy, Aguirre, Julius, 'Nique and a couple more come after. Then the rest.

[SHAQisGOAT]

[B]Listen People...Bird Was Better than Dantley as a Player Clearly because he Could Create, Pass, Rebound and Defend...He Had a Better All Around Game but Dantley Was The Master in the Post Among SFs in The History of the NBA: He was a Much Better Post Player and Scorer than Bird. Had Dantley Played in Great Teams in the 80s In HIS PRIME (20s-about 30) he Might Have Gotten a Ring. It Took the Idiots in the HOF to finally But him there Years. What a Waste.



Yea, Bird was better in probably every category than AD, except for scoring (post scoring the most) and drawing fouls.
Bird was really versatile in the post, could do eveything at good rate there, also great passer from there but AD was the master in post scoring as far as SF's, such a beast.

[01amberfirewv]

Dominique Wilkins got his ankles broke @ 3:29:D

[mentallooser]

That move at like 1:38 while double teamed was crazy. His technique is just ridiculous.

[mentallooser]

His ability to go to his left and finish with either hand really amazes me.

[La Frescobaldi]

As players they're all ahead of Dantley.

As far as scorinng the post? No they don't, not even close. Ever watch the man play at least? He was a complete beast in the post, draw fouls easily, could get his shot off in a forest, numerous post moves and so on. Plus his numbers also speak for themselfs.

Know who's 3rd on the highest FG% while scoring 30 or more points in a season? Dantley with 30.3 PPG, .570 FG%. He's also 5th and 6th on the list, other guys on the list are Kareem, Karl, McAdoo, Wilt and Jordan.

Great post scoring SF's like King, Worthy, Aguirre, Julius, 'Nique and a couple more come after. Then the rest.

OH - I do see what you mean there. I was thinking all-round which of course is right out of context.

Huh. AD.... I will have to check out some footage again, been a long time.

As far as seeing him? Gosh yes. Many times. I remember him well at Notre Dame, his college career was just incredible and the battles with UCLA....

Then of course he landed on the old Buffalo Braves and what a shambles that was, McAdoo at his MVP level right around then and here was another force showed up from college ranks in the young Dantley... but yet that team basically folded (?don't remember a lot about how that all went down really) and turned into the Clippers.
I remember some announcers back then it was kind of a theme they used, AD was "a basketball waif", going from team to team, great player but never found a home.

Yes I need to find old footage of Adrian's game.... great player he was, thank you for reminding me

[AngelEyes]

Bird really was something else. He brought craftiness to a new level.

[KOBE143]

White Mamba >>>> Larry Bird

[TheBigVeto]

White Mamba >>>> Larry Bird

White Mamba >> Larry Bird
Larry Bird >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe Bryant
White Mamba >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kobe Bryant

[VegasLakerFan]

I'm not one for generalizations about fans, but in this case....
ANY TRUE LAKERS FAN who has either been alive long enough or has studied the history of the team and The Rivalry would NEVER dismiss Larry Bird. NEVER!
PLEASE, ISH posters! Do NOT assume all Lakers/Kobe fans are represented by certain people here. I'm disgusted.

[Round Mound]

I'm not one for generalizations about fans, but in this case....
ANY TRUE LAKERS FAN who has either been alive long enough or has studied the history of the team and The Rivalry would NEVER dismiss Larry Bird. NEVER!
PLEASE, ISH posters! Do NOT assume all Lakers/Kobe fans are represented by certain people here. I'm disgusted.

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