The Official "Discuss Jeremy Lin's Performance" Thread

[niko]

To avoid a different thread every day saying "Lin played great" or "Lin sucked" we can have one thread which is updated every day with his stats. We'll start with last night since i'm lazy.

Minutes / Pts / Ast / Reb / TO / +/- / Shooting
Vs. MIA 34 / 9 / 6 / 1 / 2 / -16 / 3 of 8
Vs. NO 34 / 4 / 4 / 4 / 2 / -5 / 2 of 10
Vs. LA 31 / 5 / 10 / 1 / 3 / -20 / 2 of 9
Vs. Utah 33 / 13 / 3 / 6 / 3 / -5 / 5 of 15
Vs. Chi 26 / 4 / 3 / 4 / 5 / -3 / 2 of 9

Minutes / Pts / Ast / Reb / TO / Shooting
Per Game 34.2 / 10 / 6.3 / 4.4 / 2.8 / .333

DISCUSS.

[Jolokia]

Point guards have a knack for attacking the basket causing chaos against the Heat. He was just too passive. It seems like he was just letting Harden do the playmaking which was basically isoing. Luckily the team caught fire from three.

[Go Getter]

Point guards have a knack for attacking the basket causing chaos against the Heat. He was just too passive. It seems like he was just letting Harden do the playmaking which was basically isoing. Luckily the team caught fire from three.
Last year Lin played like shit vs the Heat.

[Scholar]

To avoid a different thread every day saying "Lin played great" or "Lin sucked" we can have one thread which is updated every day with his stats. We'll start with last night since i'm lazy.

Minutes / Pts / Ast / Reb / TO / +/- / Shooting
Vs. MIA 34 / 9 / 6 / 1 / 2 / -16 / 3 of 8

If he gets so good or so bad it's moot i will stop the thread.

DISCUSS.

:facepalm
Making it obvious you're a hater. So if he starts scoring a bit more, you won't bother with this thread? This is only made to mock his lack of amazing statlines?

It's not Jeremy Lin's fault that the basketball world put him on a pedestal last season, one that he couldn't really sit on.

[Jolokia]

Last year Lin played like shit vs the Heat.
And he could've played better. Just too damn intimidated. Just gotta attack and draw fouls on the overly aggressive Chalmers.

[niko]

:facepalm
Making it obvious you're a hater. So if he starts scoring a bit more, you won't bother with this thread? This is only made to mock his lack of amazing statlines?

It's not Jeremy Lin's fault that the basketball world put him on a pedestal last season, one that he couldn't really sit on.

If he is scoring 20/10 and is an all star what is there to discuss? I'll make a new thread, called EVERYONE WAS WRONG, LIN IS GREAT PLEASE DISCUSS>

I also said if he gets so bad im stopping to so we don't have endless bashing. Basically i mean discuss while there is shit to discuss. Do we discuss Chris Duhon's performance?

People are uber sensitive.

[KungFuJoe]

The hype and contract is why people hate him. But don't forget this guy was undrafted and close to being cut.

Put it this way, if he was a 2nd round draft pick in his rookie season playing the way he is playing now, would he be hated or seen as a steal?

You can't blame him for getting paid. No one here would have done anything differently. Just seems that people want to see him fail and I just can't get behind that, especially when he seems like a decent person on and off the court.

That being said, if it weren't for that near airball at the end, I would have said the Heat game would be good for him as he played MUCH better than the first time around. I hope he shakes off that horrible ending soon and focuses on the positives.

[Shepseskaf]

Great idea!

Per-game stats for the season, inclusive of last night:

Minutes / Pts / Ast / Reb / TO / Shooting
34.7 / 11.9 / 6.4 / 4.6 / 2.6 / .373

[gyu]

Great idea!

Per-game stats for the season, inclusive of last night:

Minutes / Pts / Ast / Reb / TO / Shooting
34.7 / 11.9 / 6.4 / 4.6 / 2.6 / .373
What team are you a fan of? I only see you post in Jeremy Lin/Houston Rockets related threads, this is probably the most neutral/positive post I've seen you make when it comes to them.

[niko]

He had one nice little flurry yesterday but he didn't play that well overall. He didn't have much impact, the final shot wasn't the big deal (although it was funny). "Linsanity died" started trending on twitter because of that. :lol

The weird thing to me is he doesn't bring the ball up or initiate the offense that much. (On the Knicks he would do it unless he got pressured and had to give the ball up.) That's strange, no? Symptom of a balky knee?

[KungFuJoe]

He had one nice little flurry yesterday but he didn't play that well overall. He didn't have much impact, the final shot wasn't the big deal (although it was funny). "Linsanity died" started trending on twitter because of that. :lol

The weird thing to me is he doesn't bring the ball up or initiate the offense that much. (On the Knicks he would do it unless he got pressured and had to give the ball up.) That's strange, no? Symptom of a balky knee?

His knee is fine. He's either lost his confidence or his being told to pass the ball more to Harden to ....hell...I have no idea why if that's the case.....

[ripthekik]

Great idea!

Per-game stats for the season, inclusive of last night:

Minutes / Pts / Ast / Reb / TO / Shooting
34.7 / 11.9 / 6.4 / 4.6 / 2.6 / .373
Left out steals? As he is one of the top leading player in steals in the league

But yeah I don't get this thread. Nobody realistically expects this guy to drop amazing stats. He's just going to go along with a statline like this and it's fine. He hasn't even played 1 whole season yet, there has been worse performances by rookies. He's playing bad now due to lack of confidence, and not inserting himself into the game, but at least give it a couple more games man.

People just want to hate on him based on publicity generated by ESPN (Shepseskaf), his contract (Millwad), and ditching the Knicks (Niko). These 3 guys will shat on him no matter what (unless he starts playing like MJ :lol ) and I expect more hate posts coming from them in this thread :rolleyes:

[fatboy11]

Jeremy Lin would make a good back-up PG in this league. He's not got the cojones for being "the man" or even a regular starter. He'll have good games as the starter but he'll have passive games like last night.

12 PPG, 4.6 RPG, 6.4 APG, 2.4 SPG in 35 MPG - Decent stat line. Great FT shooter, horrible FG %. Not a great 3 point shooter. I'm actually impressed that he's able to average that many assist given how much Harden dominates the ball. And to that point (in relation to my point about Lin being a back-up), I'd like to see them actually bring Lin off the bench and start Douglas or Cook. Douglas is basically a defensive specialist at this point (meaning that's what gets him on the court, not that he's a lock-down defender). Cook would really play limited minutes but could give the team some scoring punch early. 2nd unit would be Delfino, Morris, Lin, Smith/Aldrich, Jones.

[Shepseskaf]

What team are you a fan of? I only see you post in Jeremy Lin/Houston Rockets related threads, this is probably the most neutral/positive post I've seen you make when it comes to them.
What, are you a member of the Anti-Lin Police Patrol?

Newsflash: this is a message board and people can post what they want, as long as there's no direct personal attacks/profanity/offensive content.

If someone wants to post negative things about a player or team, they're free to do so. No one owes you any explanations for what and why they post.

[niko]

Left out steals? As he is one of the top leading player in steals in the league

But yeah I don't get this thread. Nobody realistically expects this guy to drop amazing stats. He's just going to go along with a statline like this and it's fine. He hasn't even played 1 whole season yet, there has been worse performances by rookies. He's playing bad now due to lack of confidence, and not inserting himself into the game, but at least give it a couple more games man.

People just want to hate on him based on publicity generated by ESPN (Shepseskaf), his contract (Millwad), and ditching the Knicks (Niko). These 3 guys will shat on him no matter what (unless he starts playing like MJ :lol ) and I expect more hate posts coming from them in this thread :rolleyes:

When Lin was a Knick i posted basically he had good potential, he didn't "suck" and i looked forward to him trying to mesh with Melo and Amare. He never seemed to want to mesh, he got hurt, he then left. Basically i argued he didn't suck, not that he was an all star. That was practically every Lin argument i had. ANd when i argued he was good, it was based on the numbers that he was actually putting up. He wasn't scoring 9 pts and getting 6 assists and looking lost. He was putting up ridiculous numbers.

Now i'm being told he is absolutely fantastic on defense (what?) and also things about his game that are not true. Basically people who saw him play 6 minutes want to tell me now that he's gone, he's become this transcendant star. Despite me literally having seen every minute he's played since last year.

:rolleyes: There are more people on this board who will argue Lin is great based on 9 pts than admit Melo is an all star when he scores 30. Based on the numbers he's putting up and the impact he is having on games, a Knick fan who said he was very good last year and not as good this year is just being honest.

[TheBigVeto]

If he is black this thread would not exist.

[niko]

And if you want differences between last year and this year is last year his offense was much more efficient, he brought the ball up for the Knicks and always initiated the offense, and he had some guys (Novak, Shumpert, Chandler) who he made much more efficient by his presence.

He's less efficient this year, and having less effect on the game, and half the time he's waved off and someone else brings the ball up and starts the offense. It's what's making him take bad shots, he's winding up off the ball as a shooter. That's not ideal.

Note: I ACTUALLY WATCH HIM PLAY unlike some of you who reflexively just get pissy when he is criticized.

[Shepseskaf]

If he is black this thread would not exist.
Have you seen the many, many anti-Melo threads? People call him fat, lazy, a poor team player and a bad character, etc.

Guess what - Melo's black.

I think you're much more racist than the people you're accusing.

[ripthekik]

Now i'm being told he is absolutely fantastic on defense (what?) and also things about his game that are not true. Basically people who saw him play 6 minutes want to tell me now that he's gone, he's become this transcendant star. Despite me literally having seen every minute he's played since last year.

:rolleyes: There are more people on this board who will argue Lin is great based on 9 pts than admit Melo is an all star when he scores 30. Based on the numbers he's putting up and the impact he is having on games, a Knick fan who said he was very good last year and not as good this year is just being honest.
Find me a post where someone said he was a stellar all NBA defender? He's just been holding his own, and he is the 5th leader in steals per game, so he has decent hands and reaction.

Everybody here just needs to keep in perspective:

- He was not offered an athletic scholarship
- went undrafted
- averaged what, 5 minutes of play time in his rookie year with GSW
- sent to D-League multiple times his rookie year
- Cut by Rockets in preseason
- was on the NYK's bench for while and almost cut

now look at his numbers.

[blood yes]

Find me a post where someone said he was a stellar all NBA defender? He's just been holding his own, and he is the 5th leader in steals per game, so he has decent hands and reaction.

Everybody here just needs to keep in perspective:

- He was not offered an athletic scholarship
- went undrafted
- averaged what, 5 minutes of play time in his rookie year with GSW
- sent to D-League multiple times his rookie year
- Cut by Rockets in preseason
- was on the NYK's bench for while and almost cut

now look at his numbers.
Dont bother trying to argue with niko/milwad/shepseskaf (the same guy) about Jeremy Lin.

They are clearly lin haters, and probably only hate on lin because they were raped by an asian pedo when they were young.

[niko]

Find me a post where someone said he was a stellar all NBA defender? He's just been holding his own, and he is the 5th leader in steals per game, so he has decent hands and reaction.

Everybody here just needs to keep in perspective:

- He was not offered an athletic scholarship
- went undrafted
- averaged what, 5 minutes of play time in his rookie year with GSW
- sent to D-League multiple times his rookie year
- Cut by Rockets in preseason
- was on the NYK's bench for while and almost cut

now look at his numbers.

He's not a good defender. I kept getting told decent and then told he makes steals, etc. He's not decent. He's not a good defender. Don't tell me "yes but" and i won't argue it.

[shoops]

He's not a good defender. I kept getting told decent and then told he makes steals, etc. He's not decent. He's not a good defender. Don't tell me "yes but" and i won't argue it.
I think that's arguable whether he's a decent defender. He has some deficiencies with overhelping and getting picked off, but he is competent when it comes to man to man d. He's surprisingly also not bad at guarding mismatches.

[G-train]

No knicks fans allowed. DERP.

[niko]

No knicks fans allowed. DERP. No Rocket fans either. DERP.

[G-train]

No Rocket fans either. DERP.

Original response. This thread will be filled with Knickerbocker homosexuals bitching about Lin's every move.

[miggyme1]

Whats messing lin up this season is that he is tryin to live up to that fat contract!

I think it put a lot of pressure on him.jeremy lin if you out there listen to me.


Calm down,focus,remember the ancient chinese proverb "patience is a virtue",and last but not least eat some sushi befor every game.


If he does those things he will be fine.

[niko]

Original response. This thread will be filled with Knickerbocker homosexuals bitching about Lin's every move.
There are tons of people critical about Lin's game. There was when he was a Knick. Don't act like this is something new Knick fans made up.

[andremiller07]

If he is black this thread would not exist.
Very true

I remember when Mike James average 20.3ppg on 47% (44% from 3) shooting and 5.8 assists over 79 games on a crap team much like Lin and no one gave a shit. Jeremy Lin over 35 games on a crap team averages 14.6, 6assists on 44% shooting and the hype is beyond insane

Terrance Kinsey over 12 starts avg 18 and 4 assists for Memphis

Andre Miller career averages are what Lin average over his time in NYK no one gives a crap

Hell even Dan Dikau (who's white) avg 14 and 5 on a crap team no one gave a crap

There have been countless other players do what Lin has done and the media didn't give a crap.

[InfiniteBaskets]

Very true

I remember when Mike James average 20.3ppg on 47% (44% from 3) shooting and 5.8 assists over 79 games on a crap team much like Lin and no one gave a shit. Jeremy Lin over 35 games on a crap team averages 14.6, 6assists on 44% shooting and the hype is beyond insane

Terrance Kinsey over 12 starts avg 18 and 4 assists for Memphis

Andre Miller career averages are what Lin average over his time in NYK no one gives a crap

Hell even Dan Dikau (who's white) avg 14 and 5 on a crap team no one gave a crap

There have been countless other players do what Lin has done and the media didn't give a crap.

Well I wouldn't say absolutely no one gives a crap.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

2/10 4 points 4 assists 4 rebounds 3 steals 1 block 2 turnovers in 33:45 today vs the hornets.

pretty awful.

edit: +/- was -5

[stevieming]

Jeremy is playing like crap, residue effect from the air ball in Miami.

I hate that he's playing so weak, getting waved off by his team mates and dumping the ball off the Harden all the time has really knocked his confidence and getting ball hawked just dribbling the ball up has resulted his team mates losing confidence in him.

I believe Harden doesn't think much of "Linsanity" you can tell when Harden looks off Lin a lot. But then rightly so, as Lin is playing so badly, but that's a vicious circle as Lin gets worse.

Jeremy needs to be more aggressive on offence. Take some damn mid range J's, floaters, instead of shooting those terrible 3s, or getting hung up on trying to get all the way to the rim.

Look at the way Parson plays, he believes in himself and plays the right way but also looks for his own shot at the same time.

[stevieming]

Whats messing lin up this season is that he is tryin to live up to that fat contract!

I think it put a lot of pressure on him.jeremy lin if you out there listen to me.


Calm down,focus,remember the ancient chinese proverb "patience is a virtue",and last but not least eat some sushi befor every game.


If he does those things he will be fine.

I don't understand enough about NBA contracts, isn't jeremy's first two years guaranteed but the third year of 15 million isn't, so if Houston doesn't pick up the option and nor does anyone else, does that mean he won't get paid for the 15 million?

in which case 5 million a year isn't too bad for what you thought you were getting...

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I don't understand enough about NBA contracts, isn't jeremy's first two years guaranteed but the third year of 15 million isn't, so if Houston doesn't pick up the option and nor does anyone else, does that mean he won't get paid for the 15 million?

in which case 5 million a year isn't too bad for what you thought you were getting...
That can't be true. Otherwise NY would have matched. there is no option on the 3rd year. the poison pill 3rd year was intentionally done by Houston so NY wouldn't match.

[Pushxx]

Melo is black??? :biggums:

[stevieming]

That can't be true. Otherwise NY would have matched. there is no option on the 3rd year. the poison pill 3rd year was intentionally done by Houston so NY wouldn't match.

Just read that third year is a team option, and:

TEAM OPTIONS

With a Team Option, the player has no say in the outcome. If the team invokes the option, the player is under contract for another year. If the team does not invoke the option (meaning they do nothing), the player becomes an unrestricted free agent.

So if Jeremy carries on playing like the crap he is doing, he won't get that big fat pay off in the third year.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Just read that third year is a team option, and:

TEAM OPTIONS

With a Team Option, the player has no say in the outcome. If the team invokes the option, the player is under contract for another year. If the team does not invoke the option (meaning they do nothing), the player becomes an unrestricted free agent.

So if Jeremy carries on playing like the crap he is doing, he won't get that big fat pay off in the third year.
wow really i didn't know that. i wonder why NY didn't match.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Just read that third year is a team option, and:

TEAM OPTIONS

With a Team Option, the player has no say in the outcome. If the team invokes the option, the player is under contract for another year. If the team does not invoke the option (meaning they do nothing), the player becomes an unrestricted free agent.

So if Jeremy carries on playing like the crap he is doing, he won't get that big fat pay off in the third year.
actuAlly i just looked it up you're only part right

In other words, the Knicks will have the option after the 2013-2014 season to waive Jeremy Lin, take his third-year $15 million salary and spread it out with its cap hit over the following three seasons. In each of those three seasons, the Knicks would have $5 million of dead money on the cap. Doing that would all but eliminate the insane luxury tax payment the Knicks would have to endure in 2014-2015, which is supposedly stopping them from re-signing Lin.

[BlitzForce]

Lin is top 3 in steals, blocks and rebounds for Point Guards as of tonight - not bad

And top 5 in Free Throws 90.5%
17 in Assists

If his average was 8 assists, 2 extra, which would not be hard if half his assisted easy layups were not bricked, then he would be top 5 as well in that catergory...and he is also not the first option to run the team, imagine if he was...

Defense? He locked down a Gallo postup and blocked Lebron recently, one on one :lol:
His defense rating is top tier right now
SynergySports defensive stat - Lin: 0.59 (ranked 15 in NBA for all positions so far)

He's doing everything well, but the shooting thing

[Blue&Orange]

Just read that third year is a team option

Please don't make stuff up, Rockets will pay him 15 mil third year and that's that.

[bagelred]

Please don't make stuff up, Rockets will pay him 15 mil third year and that's that.

Exactly. Third year guaranteed. Only "option" is if they waive Lin and could spread out money for salary cap purposes. But Lin is getting paid his money either way.

[niko]

The Harden acquisition, if he's going to bring the ball up makes Lin's role different and a role he doesn't fit very well. They need to change that up or Lin might become an expensive backup.

[stevieming]

Exactly. Third year guaranteed. Only "option" is if they waive Lin and could spread out money for salary cap purposes. But Lin is getting paid his money either way.

Hey man, I am not trying to make stuff up, I just read somewhere that the third year is a team option. Like I said earlier I don't understand enough about nba contracts.

Anyway, tried to google it right now, and not coming up with much.

[niko]

Hey man, I am not trying to make stuff up, I just read somewhere that the third year is a team option. Like I said earlier I don't understand enough about nba contracts.

Anyway, tried to google it right now, and not coming up with much.

His contract is guaranteed, you don't need to google it to tell us, we all know. Do you think every story on him leaving the Knicks had a wrong fact in it? That we were all confused?

[Whoah10115]

Like I said in the game thread, it seems clear that Houston is very hands on and likes to put training wheels on their young players. Lin would have barely qualified as an MLB rookie. In some ways, he's like one. Look at how they handled Morris last year and how much he looks like a basketball player this year. Look at how the rookies aren't getting any game time this year. Chandler Parsons was the exception last year.


He'll get more and more freedom as the year goes on.



Hey man, I am not trying to make stuff up, I just read somewhere that the third year is a team option. Like I said earlier I don't understand enough about nba contracts.

Anyway, tried to google it right now, and not coming up with much.



Just go to rotoworld or even better basketball-reference. On the first page you'll see the teams in the league and their records. You'll also see a $. Click on it. That's the team salaries page. You see options, you see money that's still on the books (I saw Karl Malone being owed money by the Lakers this year).

[Grey Dawn]

He is only 3 inches and needs 2 Viagaras to get going.

[stevieming]

Like I said in the game thread, it seems clear that Houston is very hands on and likes to put training wheels on their young players. Lin would have barely qualified as an MLB rookie. In some ways, he's like one. Look at how they handled Morris last year and how much he looks like a basketball player this year. Look at how the rookies aren't getting any game time this year. Chandler Parsons was the exception last year.


He'll get more and more freedom as the year goes on.






Just go to rotoworld or even better basketball-reference. On the first page you'll see the teams in the league and their records. You'll also see a $. Click on it. That's the team salaries page. You see options, you see money that's still on the books (I saw Karl Malone being owed money by the Lakers this year).

cool thanks! :cheers:

[red1]

he just needs time and experience to build up his confidence, the rockets games I caught he looked a bit timid and hesitant whereas during linsanity he was playing with maximum swagger. linsanity is out of reach but he will obviously improve from his current play

[RoundMoundOfReb]

vs trailblazers

3 for 8 11 points 11 assists 6 rebounds 1 steal 2 blocks 3 turnovers in 35:34

benched in ot probAbly due to his poor defense. (dAmian lillard owned him)

vs lakers

2 for 9 5 points 10 assists 1 rebounds 1 steAl 3 turnovers in 31:13

outplayed by darius morris.

[Graviton]

vs trailblazers

3 for 8 11 points 11 assists 6 rebounds 1 steal 2 blocks 3 turnovers in 35:34

benched in ot probAbly due to his poor defense. (dAmian lillard owned him)

vs lakers

2 for 9 5 points 10 assists 1 rebounds 1 steAl 3 turnovers in 31:13

outplayed by darius morris.
Look like Rondo type numbers. Just today he got 12 points, 10 assists, 3 rebounds, 1 steal, 6 turnovers in 38minutes and lost to the damn Pistons. :lol

Lin top 5 PG? :cheers:

[millwad]

Look like Rondo type numbers. Just today he got 12 points, 10 assists, 3 rebounds, 1 steal, 6 turnovers in 38minutes and lost to the damn Pistons. :lol

Lin top 5 PG? :cheers:

Too bad for Rocket fans that Lin doesn't average 13.3 points on great 52% shooting like Rondo and that Lin doesn't average 13.2 assists per game this season.

Lin is a disaster this far, I hope he'll step up soon because his shooting has been so freaking bad. There's no way Houston can live with a point guard who only makes 35% of his FGA and who who shoots many 3's but only make 26% of his 3 point attempts..

[Shepseskaf]

The Harden acquisition, if he's going to bring the ball up makes Lin's role different and a role he doesn't fit very well. They need to change that up or Lin might become an expensive backup.
Can you imagine what the Rockets would look like without the Harden acquisition? Probably historically bad.

Chandler Parsons is a player, though.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Can you imagine what the Rockets would look like without the Harden acquisition? Probably historically bad.

Chandler Parsons is a player, though.
this

[disel]

lin might be the worst starting pg in da league. even morris looks better. if houston had an average backup lin would be camped on the bench. what happen machado? he cant be any worse?

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Look like Rondo type numbers. Just today he got 12 points, 10 assists, 3 rebounds, 1 steal, 6 turnovers in 38minutes and lost to the damn Pistons. :lol

Lin top 5 PG? :cheers:
Rondo is eons better both defensively and offensively. Honestly the numbers (as awful as they are)don't tell the whole story. He constantly makes boneheaded plays that don't show up on the stat sheet.

[andremiller07]

lin might be the worst starting pg in da league. even morris looks better. if houston had an average backup lin would be camped on the bench. what happen machado? he cant be any worse?

+ 1 Machado for Iona RIPPED UP, the dude has insane in terrific passing skills and is a good playmaker and every bit as good athlete as Lin, he can create his own shot althought i don't think hes a high % type shooter, give the kid a go he can't be worse than Lin and Douglas and also brings something to the game nethier have.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Rough starting point guard rankings:
Chris Paul
Rajon Rondo
Derrick Rose
Russell Westbrook
Kyrie Irving
Tony Parker
Deron Williams
Steve Nash
Kyle Lowry
Goran Dragic
Jrue Holiday
Brandon Jennings
Damian Lillard
John Wall
Ricky Rubio
Mike Conley
Raymond Felton
Kemba Walker
Steph Curry
Jeff Teague
Ty Lawson
Darren Collison
George Hill
Mo Williams
Jameer Nelson
ChAlmers
Grevis
brandon knight
Isaiah Thomas
Jeremy Lin

[Screamingdoom]

Lin sucks period. Throwing balls outta bounds, can't shoot to save his life. Can't even drive any more. Bonafide scrub

[flipogb]

Rough starting point guard rankings:
Chris Paul
Rajon Rondo
Derrick Rose
Russell Westbrook
Kyrie Irving
Tony Parker
Deron Williams
Brandon Jennings
Steve Nash
Jrue Holiday
Kyle Lowrie
Goran Dragic
Damian Lillard
John Wall
Ricky Rubio
Mike Conley
Raymond Felton
Kemba Walker
Steph Curry
Jeff Teague
Ty Lawson
Darren Collison
George Hill
Mo Williams
Jameer Nelson
Grevis
brandon knight
Isaiah Thomas
Jeremy Lin


what you're saying is, hes the new Fisher

[shoops]

Rough starting point guard rankings:
Chris Paul
Rajon Rondo
Derrick Rose
Russell Westbrook
Kyrie Irving
Tony Parker
Deron Williams
Steve Nash
Kyle Lowry
Goran Dragic
Jrue Holiday
Brandon Jennings
Damian Lillard
John Wall
Ricky Rubio
Mike Conley
Raymond Felton
Kemba Walker
Steph Curry
Jeff Teague
Ty Lawson
Darren Collison
George Hill
Mo Williams
Jameer Nelson
Grevis
brandon knight
Isaiah Thomas
Jeremy Lin
Lol, hope ur not srs about that list, otherwise it's a pretty crappy ranking, it's like you're trying to rank some by reputation and others by the past few games. :hammerhead: Also, you forgot Mario Chalmers.

[millwad]

Lol, hope ur not srs about that list, otherwise it's a pretty crappy ranking, it's like you're trying to rank some by reputation and others by the past few games. :hammerhead: Also, you forgot Mario Chalmers.

Who would you rank behind Lin?
I've seen your posts on clutchfans, LOF:er..

Lin is one of the worst starting point guards in the league, period.

[shoops]

Who would you rank behind Lin?
I've seen your posts on clutchfans, LOF:er..

Lin is one of the worst starting point guards in the league, period.
Lol no, I like Lin, but I can actually be objective about him, I don't make bogus excuses about his play. He's shooting poorly, not much else to say about him.

And I'm not even talking about Lin in the list, I mean in general, everyone else as a whole.

[Pointguard]

Lol no, I like Lin, but I can actually be objective about him, I don't make bogus excuses about his play. He's shooting poorly, not much else to say about him.

And I'm not even talking about Lin in the list, I mean in general, everyone else as a whole.

Lin is better than his play as of late. He doesn't have the explosion and I believe it's messed with his lift in his shot. I dislike what happened with him and the Knicks this Summer, but he'll do better.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Lol, hope ur not srs about that list, otherwise it's a pretty crappy ranking, it's like you're trying to rank some by reputation and others by the past few games. :hammerhead: Also, you forgot Mario Chalmers.
ok who did i mess up in your opinion?

[hon]

http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/16/03/20/3683338/3/628x471.jpg



One thing I've noticed is he sure hustles for loose balls and rebounds...

[Digital Lee]

i dont think lin has impressed anyone yet. hes just doing ok, i can see him doing poorly against great defenders

[shoops]

ok who did i mess up in your opinion?
Just in general overall, but I'll point a few. For instance, Nash hasn't played much recently and when he has, has just played ok, but I'm assuming you put him up there by reputation. Wall hasn't played particularly well either in his sophomore year, and he hasn't even played games in this season yet. Ray Felton has probably been playing better as of late than where you put him, relatively speaking. Lawson is playing pretty badly now atm too, but he's def not that bad regularly. Etc, etc. Just saying if this is your actual list, your criteria seems to be a bit too haphazard. Anyways, it's just kinda bad to rank players linearly...

[niko]

Updated for LA Game. The official Jeremy Lin excuse tour is in full effect in the media, how NY was too much for him, he can't trust anyone, it messed up his game, etc. Because nothing is Lin's fault, it was NY for putting too much pressure on him. (Let's not acknowledge the adoration, let's just call it pressure.)

[Just2McFly]

Knick fans are obnoxious.

[andremiller07]

you could say jeremy's play has been LIN-ited this season

[Shepseskaf]

The official Jeremy Lin excuse tour is in full effect in the media, how NY was too much for him, he can't trust anyone, it messed up his game, etc. Because nothing is Lin's fault, it was NY for putting too much pressure on him. (Let's not acknowledge the adoration, let's just call it pressure.)
Did you hear the one that says Houston isn't good enough for Jeremy, and that he needs to be traded to the Lakers?

:roll:

[niko]

Did you hear the one that says Houston isn't good enough for Jeremy, and that he needs to be traded to the Lakers?

:roll:
NO, but i wouldn't be surprised with the crap his people put out there. He's either spinning, or he's very weak minded because the NY crowds gave him love like you wouldn't believe. For that to be a burden and not something that fueled him (which is what it looked like at the time) is unbelievable to me. It looked like the most fun thing in the world to be him and he's saying it was horrible. It was a few freaking weeks, not ten years. It's mind boggling.

[heyhey]

why is everyone so hard on lin

he's putting up 7 APG while sharing the playmaking role with Harden and only logging like 31mpg

if he would just knock down a few open jumpers he would be having a respectable season. and i would think he can rediscover his stroke sometime in the next few months.

people acting like he's just straight garbage or something

[shoops]

Updated for LA Game. The official Jeremy Lin excuse tour is in full effect in the media, how NY was too much for him, he can't trust anyone, it messed up his game, etc. Because nothing is Lin's fault, it was NY for putting too much pressure on him. (Let's not acknowledge the adoration, let's just call it pressure.)
Lol dude, you still sound butthurt over Lin. Not sure where you're getting that stuff from. I suppose you get your news from tabloids too? Just let it go or something, your team is doing well and Felton is playing great. :confusedshrug:

[KungFuJoe]

why is everyone so hard on lin

he's putting up 7 APG while sharing the playmaking role with Harden and only logging like 31mpg

if he would just knock down a few open jumpers he would be having a respectable season. and i would think he can rediscover his stroke sometime in the next few months.

people acting like he's just straight garbage or something

I think what's got people shaking their heads is that he's playing scared. And it doesn't help that he gets pulled from the game late due to not playing defense. His main problem is confidence and if the coaching staff doesn't show confidence in him, it will just make it worse.

The defense part is a bit confusing for me. Granted I haven't been able to see the last few games, but whenever I've seen him, his defense hasn't been that bad. Granted, it's not stellar and he still goes under screens too much, but he generally stays in front of his guy and he gets a lot of steals. I know Lilliard went off, but was it Lin's defense or just a guy having a great night?

[shoops]

The defense part is a bit confusing for me. Granted I haven't been able to see the last few games, but whenever I've seen him, his defense hasn't been that bad. Granted, it's not stellar and he still goes under screens too much, but he generally stays in front of his guy and he gets a lot of steals. I know Lilliard went off, but was it Lin's defense or just a guy having a great night?
Lillard didn't actually go off on Lin, he went off near the end of the game and on Douglas. Props to Lillard for that though. Lin didn't help at the post and slack off on Lillard at the 3 in the latest Portland game. However, he tried to give help d yesterday on Howard several times unsuccessfully, and it left his man wide open for a 3. Bad idea, but I think it was a coaching decision to double/triple the post, as he wasn't the only one. Would've been better probably used his own judgment and disregard the coach, and stuck to his man though. He looked a bit sluggish on defense vs the Lakers and his D didn't look great, but it was the 3s that were problematic.

[Doranku]

Must be nice to get paid $8million a year for having 8 good games.

Getting injured might have been the best thing to ever happen to Lin, because he would've been exposed hardcore by Miami in the playoffs and his averages would likely have fallen back down to earth as the regular season went on. Instead, he's getting $25million/3year deals thrown at him for being one of the worst starting PGs in the league.

SMH.

[HaNdLe ThE RoCk]

I can't even feel bad for Lin. He's getting paid 25 million and I still think he could have came back during that Miami series last year but Chalmers would have locked him up like he did during the regular season. He was going for that contract and got it.

[sommervilleCdn]

he's averaging 7asst, a game. He doing a solid job at that... That's good for #12 in the league http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jeremy_lin/career_stats.html

calling him one of the worst, i feel is a bit of an exaggeration. :confusedshrug:


//his shooting has regressed this year, but thats the only thing i can criticize
///he's protecting the ball better this year too...nomore lin-overs (that comes in bunches) :rockon:

[niko]

Lol dude, you still sound butthurt over Lin. Not sure where you're getting that stuff from. I suppose you get your news from tabloids too? Just let it go or something, your team is doing well and Felton is playing great. :confusedshrug:
Jackass, he's had a few articles in major magazines over the last few days. Go read. He very clearly says he didn't like the attention, doesn't trust anyone, doesn't knows who his friends were, etc. I'm not paraphrasing, it's exactly what he said. He's on a media tour. It's not local stuff. Yahoo has one of the interviews if you want to see it. It's not the only one.

[shoops]

Jackass, he's had a few articles in major magazines over the last few days. Go read. He very clearly says he didn't like the attention, doesn't trust anyone, doesn't knows who his friends were, etc. I'm not paraphrasing, it's exactly what he said. He's on a media tour. It's not local stuff. Yahoo has one of the interviews if you want to see it. It's not the only one.
I wasn't just directing to your previous comment, you had more than one butthurt comment recently. Just sayin'... Anyways, I think I saw that article on yahoo, but only that one, I didn't see any others on yahoo sports main page and espn... The yahoo article seemed a tad dramatic, though there's probably a little truth to it. He's the kinda guy that seems uncomfortable because of attention, in NY he was drawing it away from himself and also crediting the team as they deserved. Don't see how he tried to use those reasons to excuse his poor play like you claimed though.

[disel]

raped by tinsey in thisgame. I mean lin's butthole might be th size of china fter all the continues rapings he has had this season.

[G-train]

This thread is exactly what I said it would be on page 1, mad knicks fans being haters.

[SevereUpInHere]

Maybe he's missing Landry Fields and Fields is missing him too... :(

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1009/media.day.history/images/francis-mobley.jpg
Part deux

[andremiller07]

Damn he had a offensive OUTBURST today 13 points (5/15) man I can't beleive the Warriors did not drop both Monta Ellis and Steph Curry for him and let him go to New York and I can't beleive NYK let him go on top that this guy has been a STUD all season a lock for the starting all star spot:roll:

[millwad]

At this point I'd basically take any other starter over Lin, he's not playing like a starter and it sucks to know that even the 2nd best point guard on last season's Rocket team would abuse Lin..

Even the now 34 year old scrub Tinsley who averages 0.9 points per game on 17% shooting came in and outplayed Lin a la putting up 11 assists and 5 rebounds in 21 minutes. Lin himself had as many assists as turnovers and he still can't even hit the easiest of shots, 5-15...

[BlitzForce]

At this point I'd basically take any other starter over Lin, he's not playing like a starter and it sucks to know that even the 2nd best point guard on last season's Rocket team would abuse Lin..

Even the now 34 year old scrub Tinsley who averages 0.9 points per game on 17% shooting came in and outplayed Lin a la putting up 11 assists and 5 rebounds in 21 minutes. Lin himself had as many assists as turnovers and he still can't even hit the easiest of shots, 5-15...

How can you have assists if your team mates brick shots :facepalm

[millwad]

Lillard didn't actually go off on Lin, he went off near the end of the game and on Douglas. Props to Lillard for that though. Lin didn't help at the post and slack off on Lillard at the 3 in the latest Portland game. However, he tried to give help d yesterday on Howard several times unsuccessfully, and it left his man wide open for a 3. Bad idea, but I think it was a coaching decision to double/triple the post, as he wasn't the only one. Would've been better probably used his own judgment and disregard the coach, and stuck to his man though. He looked a bit sluggish on defense vs the Lakers and his D didn't look great, but it was the 3s that were problematic.

Come on, when will you stop with all these excuses..

Lin can barely handle 2nd and third string pointguards like Morris and Tinsley now and against Lakers he had the worst efficiency number among all players and yesterday Tinsley had his way with Lin.

Lin is terrible.

[millwad]

How can you have assists if your team mates brick shots :facepalm

Yeah, everyone just decided to miss when they got passes from Lin yesterday but somehow the terrible Douglas who played 15 minutes last game dished out 4 assists, Parsons had 5 assists and even the sick Harden who only played 17 minutes collected 3 assists.

Lin had 3 assists and 3 turnovers and he only made 5 out of 15 shots, he was terrible.

[andremiller07]

Can the Rockets please bring in Scott Machado already

[shoops]

Come on, when will you stop with all these excuses..

Lin can barely handle 2nd and third string pointguards like Morris and Tinsley now and against Lakers he had the worst efficiency number among all players and yesterday Tinsley had his way with Lin.

Lin is terrible.
No excuses made there man... Lin's shooting has to get better, that's where his main problem is right now. :confusedshrug:

[millwad]

No excuses made there man... Lin's shooting has to get better, that's where his main problem is right now. :confusedshrug:

It's not just his shooting, he's not even playing like a point guard. He needs to create way more and take charge of the offense, he's not doing that. And I am not only talking about assists, he is not playing like the floor manager, like the point guard.

He's definitely one of the worst starting point guards in the league, maybe the worst.

[shoops]

It's not just his shooting, he's not even playing like a point guard. He needs to create way more and take charge of the offense, he's not doing that. And I am not only talking about assists, he is not playing like the floor manager, like the point guard.

He's definitely one of the worst starting point guards in the league, maybe the worst.
Right now the team isn't playing well as a whole, look how many points they gave up. Lack of a go-to scorer outside of Harden and unsophisticated offense is showing. Not having a healthy Harden yesterday is gonna hurt. Let's face it, right now it looks like the team is headed for the lottery, they'll have to learn to play well consistently before good things happen. Lin is just one of the pieces of the puzzle, he needs to improve from where he's at now, and he probably will.

[AngelEyes]

Right now the team isn't playing well as a whole, look how many points they gave up. Lack of a go-to scorer outside of Harden and unsophisticated offense is showing. Not having a healthy Harden yesterday is gonna hurt. Let's face it, right now it looks like the team is headed for the lottery, they'll have to learn to play well consistently before good things happen. Lin is just one of the pieces of the puzzle, he needs to improve from where he's at now, and he probably will.

You're making a lot of excuses for Lin.

[shoops]

Here millwad, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. Clearly, you see Lin as a scrub, and I feel he'll be fine if he can get his shooting and swag together. But I think you shouldn't just focus on Lin when you talk about the Rockets problems, as there are other team problems to talk about in addition to Lin's.

You're making a lot of excuses for Lin.
Those are issues the team faces as a whole. I'm not excusing Lin's poor shooting, involvement levels by saying that. It's just how it is. Nobody on the roster really looks threatening, outside of Harden.

[andremiller07]

It's just how it is. Nobody on the roster really looks threatening, outside of Harden.

Thats what happends when you give up Scola, Dragic, Lowry,Kevin Martin and Lamb and only get Harden and Asik in return who are good.

[Sigmund Freud]

The saga of Lin is fascinating, to say the least. It was clear how much confidence he had in New York, but it is also quite clear he has lost almost, if not all his confidence based on the manner in which he is currently playing. I would personally advice Lin to seek professional help, as he seems like he may require some guidance to get his life back on track.

[shoops]

Lol at ^ :wtf: ???

Thats what happends when you give up Scola, Dragic, Lowry,Kevin Martin and Lamb and only get Harden and Asik in return who are good.
Well, gotta make a move sometime instead of being stuck as a fringe playoff/lottery team. They're hoping some of the young players will develop into something decent I guess. Also, they still have space for another star player, so that's something as well. And I don't consider Asik a threat yet, his offensive game just isn't anywhere near consistent so far.

[andremiller07]

Lol at ^ :wtf: ???

Well, gotta make a move sometime instead of being stuck as a fringe playoff/lottery team. They're hoping some of the young players will develop into something decent I guess. Also, they still have space for another star player, so that's something as well. And I don't consider Asik a threat yet, his offensive game just isn't anywhere near consistent so far.

Fair enough but to give up both Dragic and Lowry is just beyond idiotic, as for Asik hes been a very decent big man he moves well without the ball just needs to finish a bit better.

[shoops]

Fair enough but to give up both Dragic and Lowry is just beyond idiotic, as for Asik hes been a very decent big man he moves well without the ball just needs to finish a bit better.
It looks dumb to give up both Dragic and Lowry, but Lowry wanted out and the Rockets got Harden indirectly by trading Lowry. Dragic on the other hand is better than Lin with more experience, although a 4 year contract with player option gives the Rockets less flexibility and gives Dragic more leverage. But yeah, not getting him again could be detrimental and so far it looks kinda like that, but in reality time will tell I guess. As for Asik, yes, he's very decent and his defense and rebounding is invaluable even if his offense is still very raw.

[Shepseskaf]

The saga of Lin is fascinating, to say the least. It was clear how much confidence he had in New York, but it is also quite clear he has lost almost, if not all his confidence based on the manner in which he is currently playing. I would personally advice Lin to seek professional help, as he seems like he may require some guidance to get his life back on track.
This is very easy to figure out, and it doesn't require "professional help". Lin was simply playing above his ability with an "I have nothing to lose" mentality. His level of play and offensive efficiency were complete surprises, but when teams actually started to game plan for him the shooting percentages began to drop steadily.

Although he had some decent games after the debacle in Miami that ended Linsanity, it was clear that he was not capable of shooting a decent percentage against good defense.

Add that to his stll-suspect ballhandling skills, and you have a player who is not quite as bad as he currently looks, but will never get back to the 'Linsanity' level.

In his defense, he does seem to be a hard worker. He rebounds the ball very well for the position, and his steals numbers are good -- though he tends to gamble too much.

[niko]

I wasn't just directing to your previous comment, you had more than one butthurt comment recently. Just sayin'... Anyways, I think I saw that article on yahoo, but only that one, I didn't see any others on yahoo sports main page and espn... The yahoo article seemed a tad dramatic, though there's probably a little truth to it. He's the kinda guy that seems uncomfortable because of attention, in NY he was drawing it away from himself and also crediting the team as they deserved. Don't see how he tried to use those reasons to excuse his poor play like you claimed though.

Again, he had a bunch of articles. I mentioned some stuff from them. The entire Yahoo article is things that are wrong, pressure, he has no friends he can trust, etc. You said "you must be butthurt to think these things". LIN SAID THESE THINGS. Give me a break, you want me to spin things he says to mean other things now too?

[stevieming]

Yeah, everyone just decided to miss when they got passes from Lin yesterday but somehow the terrible Douglas who played 15 minutes last game dished out 4 assists, Parsons had 5 assists and even the sick Harden who only played 17 minutes collected 3 assists.

Lin had 3 assists and 3 turnovers and he only made 5 out of 15 shots, he was terrible.

Dude, did you watch the game? Lin threw some good passes but Asik must have missed three/four layup attempts because he was tired. If that was chandler, it would have been dunks.

[stevieming]

Must be nice to get paid $8million a year for having 8 good games.

Getting injured might have been the best thing to ever happen to Lin, because he would've been exposed hardcore by Miami in the playoffs and his averages would likely have fallen back down to earth as the regular season went on. Instead, he's getting $25million/3year deals thrown at him for being one of the worst starting PGs in the league.

SMH.

I am a Lin fan, but that's the truth right there. Lin would have been shook in the playoffs by Miami. Their ball pressure would have been too much for Lin's shakey handles.

Definitely would not have coined in $25 million.

[shoops]

Again, he had a bunch of articles. I mentioned some stuff from them. The entire Yahoo article is things that are wrong, pressure, he has no friends he can trust, etc. You said "you must be butthurt to think these things". LIN SAID THESE THINGS. Give me a break, you want me to spin things he says to mean other things now too?
It's actually your repeated snide shots at Lin that makes you sound "butthurt." You're taking some remarks made to journalists and twisting it to make it sound like Lin's using them as excuses or freedom from liability.

[niko]

It's actually your repeated snide shots at Lin that makes you sound "butthurt." You're taking some remarks made to journalists and twisting it to make it sound like Lin's using them as excuses or freedom from liability.

Do you think the timing of Lin doing all these interviews is a coincidence? First few games, he's cruising. Has a bunch of bad games, Knicks are better without him, he does the interviews. All of them are about the huge pressure he's under and how he needs time to adjust.

You're just delusional if you don't think there is any agenda here.

My Knicks are 7-1 and we have two point guards playing better than Lin. I'm just fine. But i'm not fine with the way Lin characterizes his time in NY, he's either uber sensitive or full of it. At any point in Linsanity did you think NY fans were making life hard for Lin? That's basically what's being implied.

[niko]

BTW, some of you are so butthurt with the negs just because i don't agree with you. Keep em coming, i got a lot of green.

[millwad]

Right now the team isn't playing well as a whole, look how many points they gave up. Lack of a go-to scorer outside of Harden and unsophisticated offense is showing. Not having a healthy Harden yesterday is gonna hurt. Let's face it, right now it looks like the team is headed for the lottery, they'll have to learn to play well consistently before good things happen. Lin is just one of the pieces of the puzzle, he needs to improve from where he's at now, and he probably will.

Seriosuly, stop blaming every player on the freaking roster as soon as anyone mentions Lin. I have seen you posts on Clutchfans and you piss people off there as well with all your excuses for Lin.

I am happy about every player who gets PT on the team, minus Lin, Douglas and Patterson.

Parsons has been good, Harden has struggled some but overall he's ben good, Asik has been surprisingly good, Morris who I used to dislike alot has developed big time, Delfino is a nice addition and the the rest of the guys who get serious PT has been decent as well.

Lin is by far the biggest disappointment this far, he's been really bad and currently he's not playing like a starting pointguard. Yes, he is not the only piece in the puzzle but him putting up terrible game after terrible game is not helping a team who needs a pointguard really much..

[bagelred]

Lin is by far the biggest disappointment this far, he's been really bad and currently he's not playing like a starting pointguard. Yes, he is not the only piece in the puzzle but him putting up terrible game after terrible game is not helping a team who needs a pointguard really much..

Well, look, sometimes these things work out for the best.....

.....and when I mean, work out for the best...I'm talking about the Knicks....cause Raymond Felton has been playing great. :bowdown: At about $4 million a year. :bowdown: Feltsanity:bowdown:

[niko]

Well, look, sometimes these things work out for the best.....

.....and when I mean, work out for the best...I'm talking about the Knicks....cause Raymond Felton has been playing great. :bowdown: At about $4 million a year. :bowdown: Feltsanity:bowdown:

Would it be Feltsanity or Feltonsanity?

[millwad]

It looks dumb to give up both Dragic and Lowry, but Lowry wanted out and the Rockets got Harden indirectly by trading Lowry. Dragic on the other hand is better than Lin with more experience, although a 4 year contract with player option gives the Rockets less flexibility and gives Dragic more leverage. But yeah, not getting him again could be detrimental and so far it looks kinda like that, but in reality time will tell I guess. As for Asik, yes, he's very decent and his defense and rebounding is invaluable even if his offense is still very raw.

I don't care about the Lowry trade, it gave the Rockets none other than James Harden.

But letting Dragic leave was a huge mistake, the player option thing shouldn't even have been a too big deal really. Instead of that they signed Lin to a more expensive contract while they knew how unproven he really was and that he had major flaws in his game like his ball handling and his terrible left hand.

And while Goran's stock is all-time high, Lin's stock is all-time low and everyone is making fun of the Rockets for their horrible decision and Lin is currently one of the worst, if not the worst starting point guard in the NBA.

[millwad]

Well, look, sometimes these things work out for the best.....

.....and when I mean, work out for the best...I'm talking about the Knicks....cause Raymond Felton has been playing great. :bowdown: At about $4 million a year. :bowdown: Feltsanity:bowdown:

Felton has been great, it's laughabe to know that the Rockets pay 5 million more this season for Lin compared to what the Knicks are going to pay Felton.

And the worst thing about this situation is that the Rockets will be stuck with Lin for a long time as the starting point guard. Lin's contract structure would be great if Lin was a baller to count with, it would open for a nice signing during the offseason but it's a horrible contract for the Rockets when Lin suck because he's impossible to trade with that massive last year pay..

[shoops]

Do you think the timing of Lin doing all these interviews is a coincidence? First few games, he's cruising. Has a bunch of bad games, Knicks are better without him, he does the interviews. All of them are about the huge pressure he's under and how he needs time to adjust.

You're just delusional if you don't think there is any agenda here.

My Knicks are 7-1 and we have two point guards playing better than Lin. I'm just fine. But i'm not fine with the way Lin characterizes his time in NY, he's either uber sensitive or full of it. At any point in Linsanity did you think NY fans were making life hard for Lin? That's basically what's being implied.
Players are constantly getting questions from the media, these are no exception, but I suppose the media feels it's a nice time to write about them given his performance. Nothing much about that article was exactly groundbreaking. Unless you mean that part where he says "he didn't trust anyone," that part sounds just like some sensationalist crap even if it came from his mouth. Not like he's blaming NY for his poor performance. Lin has said that he loved the fans, didn't love the pressure. And no I don't think fans were making life hard for him, but regardless he was under a lot of pressure and he performed well there. I don't see why you keep saying that he hated NY and stuff, it's silly.

And I'm not negging you btw, I got a neg saying "Macedonia Sucks." for that post :oldlol: :oldlol:


Seriosuly, stop blaming every player on the freaking roster as soon as anyone mentions Lin. I have seen you posts on Clutchfans and you piss people off there as well with all your excuses for Lin.
Blaming every player on the freaking roster as soon as anyone mentions Lin? It's more like every player needs some criticism, Lin included. It's a team game, everyone has a part in it. And honestly what your saying about my posts on cf is bollocks, you must have gotten me confused with other posters, because I haven't "pissed off people" with "excuses." Hell I hardly even mention him, I mention other players more.

[niko]

Players are constantly getting questions from the media, these are no exception, but I guess the media feels it's a nice time to write about them given his performance. Not like he's blaming NY for his poor performance. Lin has said that he loved the fans, didn't love the pressure. And no I don't think fans were making life hard for him, but regardless he was under a lot of pressure and he performed well there. I don't see why you keep saying that he hated NY and stuff, it's silly.

And I'm not negging you btw, I got a neg saying "Macedonia Sucks." for that post :oldlol: :oldlol:


Blaming every player on the freaking roster as soon as anyone mentions Lin? It's more like every player needs some criticism, Lin included. It's a team game, everyone has a part in it. And honestly what your saying about my posts on cf is bollocks, you must have gotten me confused with other posters, because I haven't "pissed off people" with "excuses." Hell I hardly even mention him, I mention other players more.

I don't think he hated NY. I don't see the need for him to tell us the pressure he was under, that the attention (in another interview) freaked him out, that he can't trust anyone anymore, the allusions toward Melo/Smith/Woodson all the interviews make (which means him or his handlers are leading it that way).

It all smacks of excuses. His play being poor is a combination of 29 factors, none of which are Lin's fault. The coach not using him right, the other players, his knee, the pressure, etc. Felton got called fat and basically that he sucked and Lin was better and he's reveling in it.

[shoops]

I don't think he hated NY. I don't see the need for him to tell us the pressure he was under, that the attention (in another interview) freaked him out, that he can't trust anyone anymore, the allusions toward Melo/Smith/Woodson all the interviews make (which means him or his handlers are leading it that way).

It all smacks of excuses. His play being poor is a combination of 29 factors, none of which are Lin's fault. The coach not using him right, the other players, his knee, the pressure, etc. Felton got called fat and basically that he sucked and Lin was better and he's reveling in it.
Guys like him get asked questions all the time, lots of shitty questions too, you see those asian reporters dogging him as well as asking his teammates about Lin? Half assed responses are bound to appear. He hasn't offloaded the blame for his poor shooting to somewhere else, some of his fans might do that, I'm pretty sure he takes full responsibility for that.

[niko]

Guys like him get asked questions all the time, lots of shitty questions too, you see those asian reporters dogging him as well as asking his teammates about Lin? Half assed responses are bound to appear. He hasn't offloaded the blame for his poor shooting to somewhere else, some of his fans might do that, I'm pretty sure he takes full responsibility for that.

:lol Yes they definitely do.

[FKAri]

Felton has been great, it's laughabe to know that the Rockets pay 5 million more this season for Lin compared to what the Knicks are going to pay Felton.

And the worst thing about this situation is that the Rockets will be stuck with Lin for a long time as the starting point guard. Lin's contract structure would be great if Lin was a baller to count with, it would open for a nice signing during the offseason but it's a horrible contract for the Rockets when Lin suck because he's impossible to trade with that massive last year pay..

It's a basketball game, nerd. Calm down. Every post I see by you is raging about something or another. Enjoy the game.

[shoops]

:lol Yes they definitely do.
Hey I don't do that.

And every player fanbase does that for players, it's just what happens, Lin isn't an exception here.

[niko]

Hey I don't do that.

And every player fanbase does that for players, it's just what happens, Lin isn't an exception here.

Not to the extent Lin gets. Like the 85% comment, he said to the media in NY (when asked if he was healthy) he's 85% and then he did not play. Then someone spinned it as "he is 85% of the minimum pain threshold he can play" or something that was just absolutely ridiculous and made no ****ing sense because no human being talks like that. I guarantee every Lin fan agreed that's what he meant.

Rocket fans are different here in that they are repping Lin by putting their other players down. Not repping Lin comparing him to outside players.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Not to the extent Lin gets. Like the 85% comment, he said to the media in NY (when asked if he was healthy) he's 85% and then he did not play. Then someone spinned it as "he is 85% of the minimum pain threshold he can play" or something that was just absolutely ridiculous and made no ****ing sense because no human being talks like that. I guarantee every Lin fan agreed that's what he meant.

Rocket fans are different here in that they are repping Lin by putting their other players down. Not repping Lin comparing him to outside players.
I remember that. it was hilarious. he knew miami would embarrass him And lower his value so he didn't want to play.

[shoops]

Not to the extent Lin gets. Like the 85% comment, he said to the media in NY (when asked if he was healthy) he's 85% and then he did not play. Then someone spinned it as "he is 85% of the minimum pain threshold he can play" or something that was just absolutely ridiculous and made no ****ing sense because no human being talks like that. I guarantee every Lin fan agreed that's what he meant.

Rocket fans are different here in that they are repping Lin by putting their other players down. Not repping Lin comparing him to outside players.
I think the 85% thing is a stupid answer too, but it was also a stupid question and shitty questions beget throwaway responses. Pretty sure people understood that Lin wasn't in serviceable playing condition so it's not really like the question shed any new light.

I haven't really seen much talk about rockets players here, and I think it is silly to put down other players if to put Lin in a better light, as each player is a mostly separate issue, but I haven't seen much of that personally.

[niko]

I think the 85% thing is a stupid answer too, but it was also a stupid question and shitty questions beget throwaway responses. Pretty sure people understood that Lin wasn't in serviceable playing condition so it's not really like the question shed any new light.

I haven't really seen much talk about rockets players here, and I think it is silly to put down other players if to put Lin in a better light, as each player is a mostly separate issue, but I haven't seen much of that personally.

The question was "how are you feeling" because he was our starting pg ,we had a playoff series going with Miami, and our backups sucked donkey dick. How was it a stupid question? He also did not give a stupid answer. The spin later on is extremely stupid.

Note: I have never faulted him for not playing. I defended it. I still think it was ok. But later on when he said he wanted to play but Melo and the front office and everyone else said he shouldn't and he basically lost the argument is when i got annoyed. Basically he wants credit for offering to play even though he did not play. It's bullshit. Excuses. We all know why he didn't play, he was afraid he'd tear up his knee before he got his contract. Melo getting mentioned as a reason was bogus.

[shoops]

The question was "how are you feeling" because he was our starting pg ,we had a playoff series going with Miami, and our backups sucked donkey dick. How was it a stupid question? He also did not give a stupid answer. The spin later on is extremely stupid.

Note: I have never faulted him for not playing. I defended it. I still think it was ok. But later on when he said he wanted to play but Melo and the front office and everyone else said he shouldn't and he basically lost the argument is when i got annoyed. Basically he wants credit for offering to play even though he did not play. It's bullshit. Excuses. We all know why he didn't play, he was afraid he'd tear up his knee before he got his contract. Melo getting mentioned as a reason was bogus.
I think the follow up question asking about what he meant by 85% was stupid, I mean, not the original "how's the injury."
As for the wanting to play thing, I don't see that as him trying to take credit for that or trying to act like a hero, it's simply his response for what his feelings were at the time, different interpretations perhaps idk... but obviously taking action would've been unrealistic or foolhardy for health and for player value reasons.

[niko]

I think the follow up question asking about what he meant by 85% was stupid, I mean, not the original "how's the injury."
As for the wanting to play thing, I don't see that as him trying to take credit for that or trying to act like a hero, it's simply his response for what his feelings were at the time, different interpretations perhaps idk... but obviously taking action would've been unrealistic or foolhardy for health and for player value reasons.

He didn't want to play because he wasn't going to risk his health. He should have said "i didn't think i could play". That everyone in the world was said to have told him not to and he wanted to was ridiculous. And note: It's been said by the Knicks beat reporters to be patently false when they asked people about it. Including Ian O Connor who wants Lin to father his children.

[IGOTGAME]

Not to say I told you so. But, I kinda did. Jeremy Lin is more a story of athletic culture than it is about a great basketball player. Again, ill repeat he is R#mon sessions.

[shoops]

He didn't want to play because he wasn't going to risk his health. He should have said "i didn't think i could play". That everyone in the world was said to have told him not to and he wanted to was ridiculous. And note: It's been said by the Knicks beat reporters to be patently false when they asked people about it. Including Ian O Connor who wants Lin to father his children.
I guess I didn't read too much into that affair. Seemed a tad bit over dramatized for me, personally. There was probably a grain of truth but it read like a cheesy sports movie script lol. Oh well...

[Kujo]

He's getting outplayed by Raymond Felton, which I didn't see happening. Knicks are looking smart. Houston, not so much. They probably should have kept Dragic.

That being said, I still think Lin will average around 14 and 7 this season when it's all said done.

[AngelEyes]

Not a fan of Lin at all. It will be interesting to see what marketing dollars he can still bring in with his shoddy play.

[Graviton]

Lin vs Bulls :lol...

4 points, 2-8, 3 assists/5 turnovers in 24 minutes. Milwad was right. Lin's confidence is completely gone along with his game.

[Shepseskaf]

Not a fan of Lin at all. It will be interesting to see what marketing dollars he can still bring in with his shoddy play.
Not much at all. Part of the reason he was signed was to bring in more fans, but that's failed miserably.

As Sun Yue and Yi Jianling proved, even Asians don't care about below average players.

I tried to warn people about all those false assumptions on signing Lin "for marketing reasons", which wouldn't mean anything if he wasn't performaing at Linsanity level.

[shoops]

Lin vs Bulls :lol...

4 points, 2-8, 3 assists/5 turnovers in 24 minutes. Milwad was right. Lin's confidence is completely gone along with his game.
Awful 2nd quarter from him, offensively and defensively. Nate was too quick for him, but Lin was also out of control on the offensive end there. I'm concerned about his shooting and confidence, but not really concerned about his turnovers, as a few of those were travels/stepping out of bounds.


Not much at all. Part of the reason he was signed was to bring in more fans, but that's failed miserably.

As Sun Yue and Yi Jianling proved, even Asians don't care about below average players.

I tried to warn people about all those false assumptions on signing Lin "for marketing reasons", which wouldn't mean anything if he wasn't performaing at Linsanity level.
I think you're underestimating it. He still has a ton of fans, and they have tv deals in asia airing rockets games. Dunno the exact numbers or anything though. He should still be able to retain his fans unless he sucks for the whole season.

[Shepseskaf]

I think you're underestimating it. He still has a ton of fans, and they have tv deals in asia airing rockets games. Dunno the exact numbers or anything though. He should still be able to retain his fans unless he sucks for the whole season.
It all comes down to performance, and so far that's been lacking. Saying that he has "tons of fans" doesn't mean much unless it can be quantified.

[shoops]

It all comes down to performance, and so far that's been lacking. Saying that he has "tons of fans" doesn't mean much unless it can be quantified.
Though he's sucking it doesn't indicate anything about his fan following and appeal either.

[tikay0]

He was flat atrocious!

[shoops]

He was flat atrocious!
After the first quarter yeah...his confidence must be in the drain by now.

Lol Nate lifted you guys and also killed you guys.

[tikay0]

After the first quarter yeah...his confidence must be in the drain by now.

Lol Nate lifted you guys and also killed you guys.

Yeah. Nate's a hit or miss type player. He'll get you 8 straight points in 2 minutes, then cost you 3 TO's in the process. Oh well, he has more offensive than anyone on the team besides Rose. It's sad.......:facepalm

[daballa13]

Good Lord Jeremy Lin you SUCK :roll:

[KungFuJoe]

Sat the last 5 minutes of the game. This is gonna do WONDERS for his confidence.

Ouch. I give him all the credit for making it as far as he did, but this is a MANS game. If you don't believe in yourself then you need to GTFO. He was handed the keys to a brand new Porsche and he is struggling to back it out of the garage.

Still, though...he has been awful, but it's only been about 10 games into the season as well. Still early to close the book.

[maverick2431]

Sat the last 5 minutes of the game. This is gonna do WONDERS for his confidence.

Ouch. I give him all the credit for making it as far as he did, but this is a MANS game. If you don't believe in yourself then you need to GTFO. He was handed the keys to a brand new Porsche and he is struggling to back it out of the garage.

Still, though...he has been awful, but it's only been about 10 games into the season as well. Still early to close the book.

he deserves to be moved to second unit the way he's playing. looks scared, won't drive like he did in new york, he continaully passes up open jump shots.

his handling looks very suspect. what has he been doing all summer? if you're getting paid $25 million, no excuses! sit down and start watching some tapes of chris paul and steve nash and how they breka down the defense and use the pick and roll.

i really am starting to think linsanity took off because he had one of the best pnr players in the nba - Tyson Chandler and the best 3 point shooter Novak. Lin should've stayed in NY, now he's getting exposed.

[AngelEyes]

Lin is ideal coming off the bench. I don't think he can be a starter on a contending team.

[Eric Cartman]

Lin is ideal coming off the bench. I don't think he can be a starter on a contending team.

Apparently not on a bad team either.

[AngelEyes]

Apparently not on a bad team either.

Perhaps

[andremiller07]

Apparently not on a bad team either.

Pretty much this I think its time for Houston to swallow there pride and just admit getting Lin has been a major mistake and that he should start of the bench and get limited mins. Ethier Houston should trade for a PG (Bledsoe) or let Scott Macahdo have a go and see what his good playmaking skills can bring, this is just getting flat out embarrasing for Lin and the organisation hes shooting in the low 30's and just had 5 turnovers and 4 points

[spiegel]

AFTER LAST NIGHTS DEBACLE I'VE GIVEN UP ON HIM. Sadly the Linsanity is looking like a fuke run.

[millwad]

Sat the last 5 minutes of the game. This is gonna do WONDERS for his confidence.

Ouch. I give him all the credit for making it as far as he did, but this is a MANS game. If you don't believe in yourself then you need to GTFO. He was handed the keys to a brand new Porsche and he is struggling to back it out of the garage.

Still, though...he has been awful, but it's only been about 10 games into the season as well. Still early to close the book.

But on the other side, people were hyping up like crazy because of the few sample of games he played great last season, now when it's the other way around are supposed to give him time? We've learned one thing due this, don't judge players based on a very few sample of games..


And don't give big contracts to players like Lin ever again, if you check Jeremy's game log from last season one thing stands out. Out of the 35 games he played, 16 of the games were either terrible or games he barely got any playing time in so he got his contract due playing 19 good games..

I would love to see a trade for Bledsoe or some good guard who can play starting minutes, I don't have any high hopes that Lin will work out as the starting point guard and Douglas is too bad to play bad minutes so a trade is basically a must for a decent point guard.

[KeyNote]

Everything changes when teams have film on you

[niko]

Updated. Those stats didn't look good

[stevieming]

Just finished watching the game, he started off well apart from taking dumb ass three as the first shot then threw up 2 bricks in quick succession and a floater that was in an out.

Then Nate came in and vaporised him. (to be fair Nate when on fire will do it to anyone, check the game he had against miami last year for GS warriors)

Then the coach subbed him off because Lin was playing shook with no aggression. His intensity and effort level are all down from previous games.

He's just getting worse....:facepalm

Personally, I hope he turns it around.

If he can average 14/7/5 for the year, then I consider it a good year for him. I really thought he was going to get those stats at the beginning of the year.

[niko]

I'm retiring the thread. After every game someone posts a "LIN DID THIS VS. THE LAKERS LAST NIGHT" so it's not point really. My point wasn't to spam Lin threads. :rockon: I'm sure there will be many threads to argue in.

[SourPatchKids]

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[Grinder]

This thread can't be retired without an obligatory bump after Lin playing a great game and his Rockets' thrashing of the Knicks today in MSG. :D

[9512]

It's only convenient for fan boys to come out of the wood work after his great game against the Spurs.

It's only convenient for Lin haters to come out of the wood work after bad games.

verdict: Haters come out of the wood work many more times than Lin fan boys do.