View Full Version : Has Chris Bosh surpassed Wade as the second best player on Heat?
longhornfan1234
11-13-2012, 10:39 AM
:confusedshrug:
blablabla
11-13-2012, 10:41 AM
Not sure if Bosh is a better player than Wade individually but he's definitely more important for the miami heat
PyrrhusX
11-13-2012, 10:43 AM
Better compliment to Lebron imo. Wade on the decline yo
plowking
11-13-2012, 10:45 AM
Chris Bosh is criminally underrated league wide. I can't some believe people actually rate Aldridge and Blake Griffin over him.
Aldridge is essentially a poor mans Bosh. He literally does everything Bosh does just slightly worse.
To answer your question, no. Hes not better, but like blablabla said, hes probably more important.
arifgokcen
11-13-2012, 10:56 AM
He is not better but clearly much more important.Though even if both were injured for regular season,lebron would still be enough for top seed in this east.
Yea, not better, but a more complementary & more important player to Miamis strategy & roster (especially more complementary to Lebron)
Arguably just cause of durability. Most people will agree he's a better compliment to a first option like Lebron. But he might also be a better player to build around and carry a team since he's less likely to break down in a season.
Asiantastic
11-13-2012, 11:11 AM
Bosh definitely has a bigger impact on games now-a-days, but I think that Wade is still seen as the #2. It will always be like that.
MaxFly
11-13-2012, 11:11 AM
Perhaps this season. I still don't see him as their second best player, but he is having a pretty good season.
If Bosh was not playing with ball hogs Lebron and Wade he'd be rated much higher. Top 2 PF.
Bigsmoke
11-14-2012, 11:24 AM
i hope Blake dunk on his face tonight
nightprowler10
11-14-2012, 11:47 AM
Not sure if Bosh is a better player than Wade individually but he's definitely more important for the miami heat
Thread should've ended here. You can put LeBron and Bosh next to any good to great 3rd player right now and you get the same results.
All Net
11-14-2012, 11:55 AM
Bosh is a great player but no. Wade always starts off slow.
gasolina
11-14-2012, 11:58 AM
So does this close the case of the Heat being an all time stacked team? Even in 2011?
I was sure a lot of lebronytes tried to discount that loss to the Mav to lack of help, a lot of them pushing the blame to Bosh.
Graviton
11-14-2012, 11:58 AM
Bosh is a Top 3 PF atm, always underrated though. He does whatever his team needs, he can drop 30+, get you rebounds or play solid D. He just wants to win and help his teammates, gotta admire that even if people call him 3rd wheel and a scrub.
Not to mention he has some classic goofy moments on camera.
Eric Cartman
11-14-2012, 11:59 AM
Thread should've ended here. You can put LeBron and Bosh next to any good to great 3rd player right now and you get the same results.
Joe Johnson. Do they still win the title?
Graviton
11-14-2012, 12:03 PM
So does this close the case of the Heat being an all time stacked team? Even in 2011?
I was sure a lot of lebronytes tried to discount that loss to the Mav to lack of help, a lot of them pushing the blame to Bosh.
Best player in the league
#2 SG
Top 3 PF
Top 5 bench
Best defense in the league
I guess they are stacked, but look at Lakers...
#1 SG
#1 Center
Top 6 PF
Soon to be best offense with Mike.
OKC ain't too bad either...
#2 SF
Top 3 PG
Top 5 PF
Sixth man of the year candidate
bluechox2
11-14-2012, 12:17 PM
its about time lebron started to utilize bosh more than wade... wades role is now just the guy to plug in any offnights by lebron
KrizMiz
11-14-2012, 12:34 PM
Not sure if Bosh is a better player than Wade individually but he's definitely more important for the miami heat
im a huge wade fan, but is have to say thats right!
Bigsmoke
11-14-2012, 12:48 PM
Bosh is more important because of the way the Heat is constructed. That has nothing to do with Bosh being better.
they lack size and they gotta top 10 SG coming off the bench already that fits LBJ's game better.
Ikill
11-14-2012, 03:21 PM
its about time lebron started to utilize bosh more than wade... wades role is now just the guy to plug in any offnights by lebron
Neither Wade or Bosh get utilized properly maybe its time for Lebron to start adjusting his game so he can get the most out of both Bosh and Wade. Wade and Bosh have done a lot to adjust to Lebron but Lebron hasn't even tried to fit his game next to Wades.
sipitri
11-14-2012, 03:32 PM
He can't miss from mid-range, he's a ****ing sniper!
Kurosawa0
11-14-2012, 03:33 PM
Bosh is their second most important player during the regular season, but come the playoffs Wade will occupy that spot.
tmacattack33
11-14-2012, 03:36 PM
Yea, not better, but a more complementary & more important player to Miamis strategy & roster (especially more complementary to Lebron)
It's always been like that though, even when Wade was playing like a top 10 player.
This question is asking you to forget about that. Is Bosh higher up on the best current players list than Wade is?
And I'd say over the past 8 games, yes, he would be. Hopefully Wade steps up and this changes though.
ihoopallday
11-14-2012, 03:39 PM
So does this close the case of the Heat being an all time stacked team? Even in 2011?
I was sure a lot of lebronytes tried to discount that loss to the Mav to lack of help, a lot of them pushing the blame to Bosh.
Most people blame that loss to the Mavs on LeBron. I've rarely seen people blame Bosh. LeBron choked that year. That's the reason they lost. But hey, it made LeBron change his ways and it seems to be working for him.
Neither Wade or Bosh get utilized properly maybe its time for Lebron to start adjusting his game so he can get the most out of both Bosh and Wade. Wade and Bosh have done a lot to adjust to Lebron but Lebron hasn't even tried to fit his game next to Wades.
:facepalm God, what an idiot.
Yeah LEBRON is the problem :rolleyes:
Conveniently ignoring how when Wade was out last year Bosh averaged 25 PPG as LeBron's second option. Hell, Mario Chalmers averaged 14 PPG with Wade out. LeBron knows how to use Bosh, LeBron isn't the one who thinks "score" as soon as touches the ball like Wade does.
I suppose it's also LeBron's fault Wade tries to get a call every damn time and doesn't get back on defense if he doesn't get the call :rolleyes:
kuniva_dAMiGhTy
11-14-2012, 04:15 PM
:facepalm God, what an idiot.
Yeah LEBRON is the problem :rolleyes:
Conveniently ignoring how when Wade was out last year Bosh averaged 25 PPG as LeBron's second option. Hell, Mario Chalmers averaged 14 PPG with Wade out. LeBron knows how to use Bosh, LeBron isn't the one who thinks "score" as soon as touches the ball like Wade does.
I suppose it's also LeBron's fault Wade tries to get a call every damn time and doesn't get back on defense if he doesn't get the call :rolleyes:
Nevermind that Wade has CLEARLY declined.
Bron has adjusted his game. As has Wade. #6 is just that much better.
Nevermind that Wade is clearly declining. Lebron has adjusted his game, as has Wade. #6 is just that much better.
I think Wade's BBall IQ is declining or has just been overrated for a while and playing next to LBJ makes it more obvious. He has made so many bad decisions the last two years and no one ever points that out it seems.
kuniva_dAMiGhTy
11-14-2012, 04:20 PM
I think Wade's BBall IQ is declining or has just been overrated for a while and playing next to LBJ makes it more obvious. He has made so many bad decisions the last two years and no one ever points that out it seems.
I don't get how you make someone that can't shoot or finish (the same way he did a few years back) better? When Wade gets the ball, his first instinct isn't to score, its to get to the FT line. Clear sign of regression.
nightprowler10
11-14-2012, 04:23 PM
Joe Johnson. Do they still win the title?
IMO, yes.
^I know that but what's that have to do with my post?
kuniva_dAMiGhTy
11-14-2012, 04:30 PM
^I know that but what's that have to do with my post?
Was this directed at me?
I don't think it's his IQ. The guy is just losing his athletic ability.
Ikill
11-14-2012, 04:34 PM
:facepalm God, what an idiot.
Yeah LEBRON is the problem :rolleyes:
Conveniently ignoring how when Wade was out last year Bosh averaged 25 PPG as LeBron's second option. Hell, Mario Chalmers averaged 14 PPG with Wade out. LeBron knows how to use Bosh, LeBron isn't the one who thinks "score" as soon as touches the ball like Wade does.
I suppose it's also LeBron's fault Wade tries to get a call every damn time and doesn't get back on defense if he doesn't get the call :rolleyes:
Wade doesn't get the ball enough so he can't pick and choose his spots and yeah Lebron handling the ball so much hurts Wades game. Wades at his best when he's handling the ball and for past few years he doesn't get to handle the ball enough.
Ikill
11-14-2012, 04:35 PM
Was this directed at me?
I don't think it's his IQ. The guy is just losing his athletic ability.
Have you watched Wade this season his athletic ability is back
kuniva_dAMiGhTy
11-14-2012, 04:36 PM
Have you watched Wade this season his athletic ability is back
I have. He looks pathetic.
I<3NBA
11-14-2012, 04:36 PM
who the f cares? they're winning.
Ikill
11-14-2012, 04:38 PM
I think Wade's BBall IQ is declining or has just been overrated for a while and playing next to LBJ makes it more obvious. He has made so many bad decisions the last two years and no one ever points that out it seems.
your BBall IQ doesn't decline Wade doesn't get to get to handle the ball enough so he doesn't get to pick and choose his spots.
Ikill
11-14-2012, 04:41 PM
I have. He looks pathetic.
he had one terrible game and your acting like he's been bad every single game this year
your BBall IQ doesn't decline Wade doesn't get to get to handle the ball enough so he doesn't get to pick and choose his spots.
Because he's not as good as LeBron :hammerhead:
Some of these threads are going to funny to revisit come May/June.
Ikill
11-14-2012, 04:45 PM
Because he's not as good as LeBron :hammerhead:
If Lebron is so good he should allow Wade to play his game and he should dominate another way so they get the most out of both of them. Michael Jordan adjusted his game so they got the most out of Pippen the best players should be able to change their games so they can get the most out of their teammates.
If Lebron is so good he should allow Wade to play his game and he should dominate another way so they get the most out of both of them. Michael Jordan adjusted his game so they got the most out of Pippen the best players should be able to change their games so they can get the most out of their teammates.
Wow :facepalm
Done arguing with you, I can't even believe some of the shit you're typing
Ikill
11-14-2012, 04:50 PM
I have. He looks pathetic.
so pathetic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRdvYPq54ZA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Tylp9tx8BM
He also had a good game against the Nets a good first half against the Rockets wasn't too bad against the Knicks.
kuniva_dAMiGhTy
11-14-2012, 04:52 PM
Wow :facepalm
Done arguing with you, I can't even believe some of the shit you're typing
Right? What did MJ have to do to adjust exactly? Pippen didn't need the ball in his hands to score, just playmake, and when he did, Jordan was so good w/o the ball it didn't matter.
What does Lebron have to adjust? Wade letting him take over the reigns last season = championship.
Ikill
11-14-2012, 04:55 PM
Right? What did MJ have to do to adjust exactly? Pippen didn't need the ball in his hands to score, just playmake, and when he did, Jordan was so good w/o the ball it didn't matter.
What does Lebron have to adjust? Wade letting him take over the reigns last season = championship.
If Lebron can be just as good in another role and Wade can play his game would the Heat not be a lot better.
Ikill
11-14-2012, 04:58 PM
Wow :facepalm
Done arguing with you, I can't even believe some of the shit you're typing
whats so crazy about what i said
If Lebron can be just as good in another role and Wade can play his game would the Heat not be a lot better.
Wade was still getting his stats in 2011 with LBJ :hammerhead:
Stop blaming LeBron for Wades decline.
The Heat just won it all and have an excellent shot at repeating and you're here whining because Wade isn't getting gaudy stats :facepalm
kuniva_dAMiGhTy
11-14-2012, 05:01 PM
If Lebron can be just as good in another role and Wade can play his game would the Heat not be a lot better.
No.
Wade not being a crappy shooter and just "OK" one half would be a lot better for the Heat.
Ikill
11-14-2012, 05:09 PM
No.
Wade not being a crappy shooter and just "OK" one half would be a lot better for the Heat.
So Wade should do all the work to change his game to fit with Lebron and play in completely uncomfortable position while Lebron continues to play his own game. Doesn't seem fair Wade is always out of rhythm because he doesn't get to play his game thats the main reason his decision making is worse
kuniva_dAMiGhTy
11-14-2012, 05:12 PM
So Wade should do all the work to change his game to fit with Lebron and play in completely uncomfortable position while Lebron continues to play his own game. Doesn't seem fair Wade is always out of rhythm because he doesn't get to play his game thats the main reason his decision making is worse
Lebron has BEEN doing all the work. Did you not see the Rockets game a couple nights back?
Droid101
11-14-2012, 05:13 PM
Yes.
Ikill
11-14-2012, 05:16 PM
Lebron has BEEN doing all the work. Did you not see the Rockets game a couple nights back?
Did you even read what i said? :facepalm
Replay32
11-14-2012, 05:24 PM
I don't know about being the 2nd best player. But Bosh is the heat's most important player. He's really their only quality big. And the reason they won a title last year is because he played more like a big man. Well....and lebron james. lol. But if he doesn't come back from his injury in the playoffs, the IMO the Heat don't make the finals.
Like Lebron, he just seems more relaxed on the court and appears to be very confident. He's had a 40 point game this season and is shooting 57% from the field so far this year. He's been beasting and he's always been a pretty clutch player. His jumper is wet from mid range.
Ikill
11-14-2012, 05:24 PM
Wade was still getting his stats in 2011 with LBJ :hammerhead:
Stop blaming LeBron for Wades decline.
The Heat just won it all and have an excellent shot at repeating and you're here whining because Wade isn't getting gaudy stats :facepalm
Well i felt the same way in 2011 and i don't think Wade declining and i think he'll put up stats regardless.
Well i felt the same way in 2011 and i don't think Wade declining and i think he'll put up stats regardless.
Did you miss last year's playoffs where LeBron had to get Wade going in the Pacers series? Wade has been incredibly inconsistent.
Ikill
11-14-2012, 05:32 PM
THis is what im saying Wade doesn't get to handle the ball enough when you handle the ball more you get more opportunities you can pick and choose more. Which is the main reason Wade looks so forced and uncomfortable the other thing Wade just doesn't have a role on the Heat with Lebron being the main ball handler.
THis is what im saying Wade doesn't get to handle the ball enough when you handle the ball more you get more opportunities you can pick and choose more. Which is the main reason Wade looks so forced and uncomfortable the other thing Wade just doesn't have a role on the Heat with Lebron being the main ball handler.
Tough. Wade has accepted that LeBron is the best option, you should too.
kuniva_dAMiGhTy
11-14-2012, 06:27 PM
THis is what im saying Wade doesn't get to handle the ball enough when you handle the ball more you get more opportunities you can pick and choose more. Which is the main reason Wade looks so forced and uncomfortable the other thing Wade just doesn't have a role on the Heat with Lebron being the main ball handler.
He doesn't need to handle the ball when it's better suited in Lebron's hands. Moreover, Lebron does just about everything better than Wade, so your point, if you ever had one, is moot.
TheBigVeto
11-14-2012, 07:21 PM
Yes
dunksby
11-14-2012, 07:31 PM
People forget Chris Bosh was a career 20/10 (24/11, 2010) PF when he joined the heat, he was only second to Pau coming off his amazing postseason.
Kiddlovesnets
11-14-2012, 07:31 PM
Maybe, but still the way Wade is being underrated on ISH is insane.
:rolleyes:
People forget Chris Bosh was a career 20/10 (24/11, 2010) PF when he joined the heat, he was only second to Pau coming off his amazing postseason.
Dirk and Amare?
dunksby
11-14-2012, 07:38 PM
Dirk and Amare?
Amare worse rebounder and never plays any sort of defense same with Dirk but it was also before Dirk went all superhuman on us.
NumberSix
11-14-2012, 08:01 PM
More valuable.
Ikill
11-14-2012, 08:13 PM
He doesn't need to handle the ball when it's better suited in Lebron's hands. Moreover, Lebron does just about everything better than Wade, so your point, if you ever had one, is moot.
:lol your dumbass is acting like your better than me and thinking you won this you didn't prove shit. Man your not even responding directly to what im saying not letting Wade handling the ball hurts his game i think that obvious. If the second best player cant play to the full of his potential than that limits the Heat that means they cant be the best they can be.
Ikill logic: Wade tosses up another ugly brick he has no chance of making-"LeBron's fault" :hammerhead:
Pacers4ever
11-14-2012, 08:18 PM
Maybe, but still the way Wade is being underrated on ISH is insane.
:rolleyes:
so is bosh
Ikill
11-14-2012, 08:18 PM
I don't get how you make someone that can't shoot or finish (the same way he did a few years back) better? When Wade gets the ball, his first instinct isn't to score, its to get to the FT line. Clear sign of regression.
Wades shooting 77% at rim 67% from 10-15 and 48% from 16-23
Ikill
11-14-2012, 08:28 PM
Ikill logic: Wade tosses up another ugly brick he has no chance of making-"LeBron's fault" :hammerhead:
Thats not what i said you dumb ****ing moron if Wade handled the ball if he got more touches he would take less bad shots because he has more choices.
Thats not what i said you dumb ****ing moron if Wade handled the ball if he got more touches he would take less bad shots because he has more choices.
And what's LeBron supposed to do? Be a spot up shooter while a lesser player dominates the ball? :biggums:
kuniva_dAMiGhTy
11-14-2012, 08:42 PM
:lol your dumbass is acting like your better than me and thinking you won this you didn't prove shit. Man your not even responding directly to what im saying not letting Wade handling the ball hurts his game i think that obvious. If the second best player cant play to the full of his potential than that limits the Heat that means they cant be the best they can be.
You're not making sense. You want a better player to adjust his game to an inferior one, that one being washed up who's regressed considerably.
That's stupid.
Wades shooting 77% at rim 67% from 10-15 and 48% from 16-23
And 23% from 3-9 FT.
Money 23
11-14-2012, 08:42 PM
Bosh's game just meshes with LeBron's more.
Wade is still easily their 2nd best player.
Ikill
11-14-2012, 08:44 PM
And what's LeBron supposed to do? Be a spot up shooter while a lesser player dominates the ball? :biggums:
I didn't bring up Lebron in my last post and no thats not what i suggested you continue to put words in my mouth. Having Lebron play off the ball the whole time is wasting his talent but having Wade play off the ball the whole is also wasting his talent. Not having Wade play in a comfortable role is the main reason for his frustrating play not a declining BBIQ or athleticism. Actually i think most blame should go to coaches because they can't find a role for one of the best players in the game.
Ikill
11-14-2012, 08:54 PM
You're not making sense. You want a better player to adjust his game to an inferior one, that one being washed up who's regressed considerably.
That's stupid.
And 23% from 3-9 FT.
It doesn't matter what he's shooting from 3-9 feet he doesn't take a lot of attempts there no player does its like getting his numbers half courts shots. 10-15 doesn't matter either overall Wade is shooting well this year.
Thats not what i said Wade would be better if he got to handle the ball Lebrons better than Wade so Wade can't play that role. A way to fix the problem trade Wade make him the 6th man or get a better coach. Still I think Wade will have a good season he looks quick others have noticed that too also his jumper looks good 48% from 16-23. He's showing good signs even if his performances haven't been great but he has had 3 solid games.
kuniva_dAMiGhTy
11-15-2012, 04:03 PM
It doesn't matter what he's shooting from 3-9 feet he doesn't take a lot of attempts there no player does its like getting his numbers half courts shots. 10-15 doesn't matter either overall Wade is shooting well this year.
He takes the SAME amount of attempts from 3-9 feet as he does 10-15 feet.
Wades shooting 77% at rim 67% from 10-15 and 48% from 16-23
Why post this then? Now all of the sudden shots from 10-15 feet "dont matter"? No. Actually, they DO matter. Quit deflecting. Your argument got shredded after I pointed out the fact he blows from 3-9 FT.
Again, he can't shoot. Most notably from midrange. Did you watch last nights game? Same thing. How can Lebron adjust to THAT? LOL.
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