Anderson Varejao 35 Pts 18 rebs 3 assists

[k0kakw0rld]

2 mins to go vs my Nets.
Beaaaaast :applause:
Cleveland's losing tho. :lol

[SpecialQue]

Best center in the east.

No bullshit. I believe this.

[Droid101]

Remember when people were laughing "LOL Varejo isn't enough for Dwight Howard" regarding a three team trade?

Who's laughing now? Varejo is better than every player on the Magic roster and has a reasonable salary to boot.

[TaLvsCuaL]

Deservers some credit, His last season was also really good.

[inclinerator]

11 offensive rebounds

[k0kakw0rld]

11 offensive rebounds
GOAT :applause:

[andremiller07]

the Field Goal % as well 16-21 statistically this probs rivals James Harden rockets debut as the best game played by a player in the start of the season

[jdm_dc_fan]

I hope Danny ainge was watching that game. Andy gets more offensive rebounds than the entire Celtic team combined. Get it done ainge!!!

[d.bball.guy]

:bowdown: All-Star starter? Yes please

[DukeDelonte13]

hope he remains a cav past the deadline.

[R.I.P.]

LeBron had no good teammates. :rant

[Rekindled]

gasol+ebanks for varejao+casspi

get it done mitch

[Bigsmoke]

LeBron had no good teammates. :rant

first the first.... The Cavs still lost..

LeBron would have stayed maybe if Anderson Varejao played like this in that Magic series.

but did think they should have started dude in that Celtics series instead of having Shaq old fat ass and Jamison and his no defense having self start. Rondo ran around Mo Williams like nothing in that series as well.

[RRR3]

LeBron had no good teammates. :rant
He wouldn't put up close to these numbers on a good team. LOL @ acting like LeBron was playing with superstars in Cleveland. :rolleyes: The legendary Mo Williams and Anderson Varejao, folks

[Whoah10115]

I hope Danny ainge was watching that game. Andy gets more offensive rebounds than the entire Celtic team combined. Get it done ainge!!!




:eek:

[TheGreatDeraj]

I remember several years ago I got into a debate with a Cavalier fan Mikaiel about who was better between Joakim Noah and Anderon Varejao. I chose Noah. If you're out there Mikaiel I think I might owe you an apology! Varejao has impressed me recently.

[Bigsmoke]

and when i think about it, this normally happens every year since LeBron left.

Anderson will play VERY first for the first 25 or 31 games and then get hurt for the rest of the season. :confusedshrug:

and Joakim Noah is clearly better

[Whoah10115]

gasol+ebanks for varejao+casspi

get it done mitch




Are you secretly a Cavs fan?

[CavaliersFTW]

He wouldn't put up close to these numbers on a good team. LOL @ acting like LeBron was playing with superstars in Cleveland. :rolleyes: The legendary Mo Williams and Anderson Varejao, folks
Clearly you haven't watched Anderson this season. Despite the needle the other poster is giving Lebron, Anderson's play has been no gimmick - he is legitimately playing outstanding top-5 center basketball right now.

In 7 games:
15.8ppg on .608fg%
13.7rpg
3.4apg

His pick and rolls with Kyrie are a thing of beauty

[RRR3]

Clearly you haven't watched Anderson this season. Despite the needle the other poster is giving Lebron, Anderson's play has been no gimmick - he is legitimately playing outstanding top-5 center basketball right now.

In 7 games:
15.8ppg on .608fg%
13.7rpg
3.4apg

His pick and rolls with Kyrie are a thing of beauty
I'm aware he's played very well, he's not a top 5 center though, regardless of the numbers, which are going to fall back to earth. Should be able to put up 11/12 or so though.

[CavaliersFTW]

I'm aware he's played very well, he's not a top 5 center though, regardless of the numbers, which are going to fall back to earth. Should be able to put up 11/12 or so though.
They probably won't "fall back to earth". Your looking at stats of him in a then vs now scenario and assuming things are just going to fall back into place like old times - which is why I'm assuming you haven't watched him play or heard why he's doing so well. He added a jump shot at the top of the key to his game which he has been attempting and hitting with surprising efficiency and most important of all - as the Cavs commentators were discussing during this game coach Byron Scott has apparently given Andy a green light to produce on offense now - something he had never had before - his numbers aren't going to "fall back" unless he loses that green light, get's traded, or get's injured. Due to his superb P&R chemistry with Kyrie he plays a larger role than when Lebron was a Cav.

[swi7ch]

LBJ for Varejao... do it!!!

[elinss86]

Fml, proposed varejeo for ilysova in fantasy right after draft and forgot I had done so. Obviously the guy took the trade

[KDthunderup]

Would Cav fans accept a trade of

Perkins + PJ3 or Lamb + Toronto and Dallas 1st round pick for Varejao?

[CavaliersFTW]

Would Cav fans accept a trade of

Perkins + PJ3 or Lamb + Toronto and Dallas 1st round pick for Varejao?
I say no, but I don't speak for all Cavs fans. As Autstin Carr likes to say "Andy is priceless!"

[ScalabrineStan]

Its a shame he wasnt this good w lebron. Dude used to suck 8=====>. Impressive game

[KDthunderup]

I say no, but I don't speak for all Cavs fans. As Autstin Carr likes to say "Andy is priceless!"
You do have to remember Andy is 30, so his trade value isnt going to be that high. You get some nice pieces to keep building for the future and Perkins contract expires in the '14 season where a lot of great players are coming off contract.

[CavaliersFTW]

You do have to remember Andy is 30, so his trade value isnt going to be that high. You get some nice pieces to keep building for the future and Perkins contract expires in the '14 season where a lot of great players are coming off contract.
Any proposal of multiple roleplayers for Andy - i'd decline - his chemistry with Kyrie and this team (to us at least) is currently nothing short of all-star level.

Therefore the only trades I would think are acceptable would be some sort of deal where we trade him for a legitimate league superstar - where we give him up + a few of our own picks or roleplayers. If we ever trade him for another teams roleplayers I feel like we lose

[Whoah10115]

Any proposal of multiple roleplayers for Andy - i'd decline - his chemistry with Kyrie and this team (to us at least) is currently nothing short of all-star level.

Therefore the only trades I would think are acceptable would be some sort of deal where we trade him for a legitimate league superstar - where we give him up + a few of our own picks or roleplayers. If we ever trade him for another teams roleplayers I feel like we lose



This is the right attitude.



I would rather not move him at all. I'd try and see if Utah was dumb enough to take next year's 1st round pick for Derrick Favors.

[KDthunderup]

Any proposal of multiple roleplayers for Andy - i'd decline - his chemistry with Kyrie and this team (to us at least) is currently nothing short of all-star level.

Therefore the only trades I would think are acceptable would be some sort of deal where we trade him for a legitimate league superstar - where we give him up + a few of our own picks or roleplayers. If we ever trade him for another teams roleplayers I feel like we lose
Yes currently the Cavs would take a backwards step but as far as looking towards the future it would be the more logical step.

[CavaliersFTW]

Yes currently the Cavs would take a backwards step but as far as looking towards the future it would be the more logical step.
Andy + 3 of any picks or anyone else (other than Kyrie) for Durant- that I would do :D

[lilgodfather1]

Would Cav fans accept a trade of

Perkins + PJ3 or Lamb + Toronto and Dallas 1st round pick for Varejao?
Speaking of Lamb how is he looking so far? I know he hasn't played much to put up stats, but how is the "eye test" looking so far?

I am personally a proponent of Martin + that Toronto pick for Andy, but obviously that wouldn't make you guys much better if at all unless someone, maybe a rookie could fill in for Martin.

I would do a Perkins/PJ3 + Toronto pick for Andy personally, but i'd prefer to have it less sticky, and give you guys a great big man rotation.

It would be pretty savvy on the Thunder's part if they could turn Harden into a consistant "replacement" on a rookie deal, and an all star caliber C .

Of course that depends on Lamb being able to fill some big shoes.


As for Andy this season he is playing great. Not too many C's you can argue have had a better season than him so far.

[Eric Cartman]

If the Cavs get a top 15 pick in return they should do it. Otherwise they should just ride it out with Varejao. He is beastin'.

[KDthunderup]

If the Cavs get a top 15 pick in return they should do it. Otherwise they should just ride it out with Varejao. He is beastin'.
Raptors pick is virtually guaranteed top 15

[CeltsGarlic]

My fantasy team is loving him!

[Kujo]

Best center in the east.

No bullshit. I believe this.

Yep, he should be the starting all-star center in the East. It won't happen, but he'll get picked by the coaches (he'll replace Hibbert).

Dude's offense game has improved by leaps, and bounds. He's always been a good rebounder.

[dunksby]

He wouldn't put up close to these numbers on a good team. LOL @ acting like LeBron was playing with superstars in Cleveland. :rolleyes: The legendary Mo Williams and Anderson Varejao, folks
16.9 ppg
2.4 rpg
7.4 apg
--------
15.8 ppg
13.7 rpg
3.4 apg

[All Net]

Never knew he had it in him offensively...boards wise he has always been capable.

[Eric Cartman]

Raptors pick is virtually guaranteed top 15

If that is the case they should. I mean his value right now is as high as it's gonna get. If he comes down to earth they will regret not dealing him.

Edit: For the Thunder, throwing Lamb in the deal makes the deal that much more attractive for the Cavs.

[PleezeBelieve]

Perkins + PJ3 + Lamb + Tor #1 for Andy + Boobie

That's a deal you can't refuse as a Cavs fan.

[PleezeBelieve]

Varejao has a three years left on his deal @ a very reasonable 8.5 mill per year average

[Rysio]

always knew lebrick was slowing him down. selfish stat padder. :facepalm

[PleezeBelieve]

Management has let Kyrie and Varejao down. They both are ready to win now and they have failed to give them a competent bench to maximize their talents.

It's a shame.

[Nash]

LeBron had no good teammates. :rant
Took you 3 years to post that.

[Meticode]

Management has let Kyrie and Varejao down. They both are ready to win now and they have failed to give them a competent bench to maximize their talents.

It's a shame.
So you expect the greatest player in team history to leave, the team gets demolished/dismantled there-afterwards and the Cavaliers become competitive within 3 years after that? 1 year after they draft their franchise-type player in Irving? Be realistic PleezeSTFU.

[chips93]

Would Cav fans accept a trade of

Perkins + PJ3 or Lamb + Toronto and Dallas 1st round pick for Varejao?


id do it

that toronto pick will be pretty high, and lamb has a lot of potential

id expect plenty of other cavs fans would disagree with me though

[PleezeBelieve]

So you expect the greatest player in team history to leave, the team gets demolished/dismantled there-afterwards and the Cavaliers become competitive within 3 years after that? 1 year after they draft their franchise-type player in Irving? Be realistic PleezeSTFU.
I expect them to bring competent players in who can play at a moderate NBA level. What I don't expect is for them to use 3 of their top 9 roster spots on D-League talent.

I know, my expectations are too far-fetched. :rolleyes:

[Eric Cartman]

I expect them to bring competent players in who can play at a moderate NBA level. What I don't expect is for them to use 3 of their top 9 roster spots on D-League talent.

I know, my expectations are too far-fetched. :rolleyes:

Leuer, Samuels, Casspi, Miles, Pargo, Sloan = D-League talent.

[DukeDelonte13]

I expect them to bring competent players in who can play at a moderate NBA level. What I don't expect is for them to use 3 of their top 9 roster spots on D-League talent.

I know, my expectations are too far-fetched. :rolleyes:


this year is still another tank year. They need another high lottery pick.

[toneloc103]

Would Cav fans accept a trade of

Perkins + PJ3 or Lamb + Toronto and Dallas 1st round pick for Varejao?

I would without a doubt. Andy is very injury prone. He has been hurt already this year, and unfortunately , it is just a matter of time before it happens again.

[pegasus]

He's becoming a huge trade chip that can help solidify the Cavs as the future of the East. If they can get a couple of nice, young players, and a 1st rounder, they would be in great shape with all the cap space they'll have.

[toneloc103]

Management has let Kyrie and Varejao down. They both are ready to win now and they have failed to give them a competent bench to maximize their talents.

It's a shame.

There it is....

[PleezeBelieve]

this year is still another tank year. They need another high lottery pick.
They've had three top 5 picks in two years. Have multiple picks from other teams in the future. There are more ways assemble a young, winning team than OKC. When you have knowns like Irving and Varejao, I think you have a duty to build around them, at least at a moderate level. If not, I think it can hurt Irving's development and places Andy in situation to get hurt by playing too many minutes.

Not to mention, you place a lot of pressure on the FO to hit on draft picks that could come at the expense of even more losing seasons while Irving is under his rookie deal.

[PleezeBelieve]

Right now the Lakers have the 7th worst record in the league. While they likely won't stay that bad, you have to figure if LA finishes with a final record 15-20 then that would be a huge coup.

This is why the Cavs don't HAVE to tank. They should be able to ball their hearts out and if they finish just out of the playoffs, they'll still be looking good in the draft with multiple picks, one in the low lottery and the other in the low teens.

It's time to think bigger. The Cavs have these young guys locked for the next four years in their rookie deal. Why not spend a little now and reset, if necessary, in three years? I mean really, the bench is awful. If Waiters has a sub par game, the Cavs really have no chance to win even if Irving goes off.

How is that okay to you as a Cavs fan?

[NattyPButter]

this year is still another tank year. They need another high lottery pick.

no the team don't. The team already has 4 1st round picks in the last 2 years It's time to start winning games. They have to start making trades now instead of depending on rookies to come in and help, because the team only has so much time before Kyrie and TT has to resign and who knows if they will. Byron Scott has to start bringing in starters with the 2nd unit like a lot of teams already do already. He needs to stop benching players like Waiters in the 4th QT of a tight game and blaming on his D...when his back up is to damn small to defend 2 guards.

[DukeDelonte13]

no the team don't. The team already has 4 1st round picks in the last 2 years It's time to start winning games. They have to start making trades now instead of depending on rookies to come in and help, because the team only has so much time before Kyrie and TT has to resign and who knows if they will. Byron Scott has to start bringing in starters with the 2nd unit like a lot of teams already do already. He needs to stop benching players like Waiters in the 4th QT of a tight game and blaming on his D...when his back up is to damn small to defend 2 guards.

Year 2. Let me repeat that. This is the SECOND year of the cavs rebuild.

It is not time for the team to be focused on playoffs, its time for the team to develop its core. That means benching Waiters when he slacks off on D.
The cavs aren't going anywhere this year. Another lottery pick is better for the cavs long term than winning a few extra games this year. The time to win isn't now. The cavs are the youngest team in the league. The need to grow up before they can seriously compete. Why not try to draft another potential star while the team is developing?

[Whoah10115]

no the team don't. The team already has 4 1st round picks in the last 2 years It's time to start winning games. They have to start making trades now instead of depending on rookies to come in and help, because the team only has so much time before Kyrie and TT has to resign and who knows if they will. Byron Scott has to start bringing in starters with the 2nd unit like a lot of teams already do already. He needs to stop benching players like Waiters in the 4th QT of a tight game and blaming on his D...when his back up is to damn small to defend 2 guards.



You are correct. Another lottery pick...who's to say that player is anyone special? Is there someone in mind? You might not make it this year or next year, regardless...but if you're going into next year with another lottery pick...that's rough.


I see no reason to trade Varejao. You better get a high draft pick or a young guy.


If you all want a young guy with a lot of talent, grow some balls and trade for Royce White. That's talent.